Pletcher Loaded For Run at 2010 Kentucky Derby

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Householder — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:53:27 GMT

Connemara lost the Cal Derby. Seemed to have plenty of chances to put away Sadler's former Maiden Claimer.

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Fire Slam — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:19:40 GMT

yea Tim G!! Go baby Go.

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Mike Relva — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:00:54 GMT

CARLOS

Obviously you have a problem when it comes to admitting you were wrong. Whatever!

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Carlos in Cali — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:31:28 GMT

Relva,

Pat yourself in the back.And get a new comedic writer,it's not working...lol

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Mike Relva — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:10:16 GMT

CARLOS IN CALI

I expected as much,taking the cowards way out by refusing to admit that I posted back on Nov w/ an eye on Take Control! What's your comment regarding my post in Nov? Oh,that's right no comment! What were you saying? No way "that I could have my eye on Take Control prior to his race".

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Mike Relva — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:55:27 GMT

TIM G

I agree w/ you. Also,If I were him would be ashamed for the fact of "called out" last yr. by Mr Wiggins wife.

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Tim G — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:10:31 GMT

Uh FS? I've been around the race track for a LONG LONG time. Your Wiggins story? PURE garbage, your comments about various trainers and jockeys? Pure speculation and opinion. I know most of what you say is speculation and someone trying to be in the know. Give me your real initials and I'll ask the people you claim to know if they really know you.

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Fire Slam — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:24:42 GMT

Way to go Tim G!! Yea baby!!! How do you know there just rumors or dark secrets,what if they are true??

Feels like the twilite zone!

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Mike Relva — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:15:47 GMT

CARLOS in CALIF

You "lit the fuse" I was addressing Greg when you read and decided to do what you do best,run your mouth. You were wrong little man. lol Maybe you took to many shots to the head when you were supposably playing football!

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Carlos in Cali — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:42:48 GMT

Fine,...my sincere apology goes out to everyone who reads your posts. There!Happy? lol,that's my spin. Plus,I did ask Dranay...he said he didn't know who the hell you were.

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Mike Relva — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:13:48 GMT

CARLOS IN CALI

Ok smart guy,look for:Horse of yr. Debate-Why Do We Care So Much?

21 Nov. 2009,4:29pm

BTW, You owe me an apology!

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Mike Relva — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:53:26 GMT

CARLOS IN CALI

Ok,so that's your spin? You aren't going to ASK DRAYNAY? Why not,are you afraid that I'll prove you wrong? lol

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Carlos in Cali — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:07:30 GMT

Relva, whatever...he made his debut 3wks ago,not 5. Or did you have your eye on him 2wks before he even started?...I doubt it.Get over yourself,Nostradamus.

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Tim G — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:24:55 GMT

I think Mike and Steve are both saying that Fire Slam, you have repeatedly claimed to know more dirt and inside information,i.e. GOSSIP, always negative, than anyone else on here.

The comments made by some people that you have taken exception to aren't being negative or trying to start rumors. They are stating the facts as they see them in their own operations and those of their colleagues with colleague being the operative word here.

Truthfully, there are lots of hanger-ons who can name grooms. Assistant trainers? No brainer.

The proof is that you keep making these off the wall comments. Never anything positive just trying to act like you know the deep dark secrets.

As far as the business end of it? No most non-trainers and non-owners don't really know all the inner workings of it. Not even the hotwalkers, exercise riders or grooms.

Hmmm, I know BRET Calhoun really well, guess I'll ask him if he knows a really negative guy/girl who may have tried to work on the backside. It's the truth that your disgruntled, negative attitude wouldn't do well back there. Or better yet maybe he'll come on here and answer???

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Mike Relva — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:09:58 GMT

CARLOS IN CALI

Look "genius" since you always know so much why don't you ask DRAYNAY if I didn't ask him around five weeks ago what his opinion was of Take Control. BTW,I'm not a bandwagon jumper!

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Fire Slam — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:08:23 GMT

Stan--

Your so right. I have never even been on the backside of a track. You know way more then me and anyone else.

I dont know Peaches the assistant for Brett Calhoun, I dont know Jose, the long time assistant for the late Bobby Frankel, I dont know Brett the assistant for Hal Wiggins, dont know David Carroll trainer of "The Slam", dont know C-Bo or Cecil Borel, who grew up with T-Red Bernis--top jockey at the old miles park in Louisville, Kentucky years ago and use to be agent for Tracey Hebert. Also, I never fixed feed for the late Doc Harthill as a kid at the old clinic that burned years ago right by Churchill Downs, and Harry Trotseke who is that?

Your right, I have never been to the track.

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Fire Slam — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:59:54 GMT

Draynay--

Agreed. 0-44 is proof. If you get the best bred horses, and money is not a problem with clients, and you still cant break through in the Triple Crown races, then something is not right.

If im not mistaken, G. Gomez rode Rags to Riches in the Belmont?? If so, that is the only Triple Crown race he has won. Maybe, he should look at riding some one else first call instead of Johnny V.

Johnny V. had trouble winning on favorites at Gulftream Park last weekend. It was pentiful. Also, remember what happened when Johnny V. took over Afleet Alex for one race? Dead last. Now the horse did come out with a breathing problem, so they say. He then comes back to win the Arkansas Derby under Jeremy Rose.

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Tim G — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:14:56 GMT

"Draynot seems like you miss the point which is par for the course.

Pletcher is a very accomplished trainer but a 0 for 44 record with colts in Triple Crown races proves he has a problem training young ones to win those big races.

Draynay 13 Jan 2010 7:47 AM"

No it just says he hasn't had the right one. Most trainers and owners search for that one horse like the Holy Grail. His owners want to give it a shot, even if not the best horse for the conditions. The thing about the KY Derby is almost like basketball. You have one trained, clicking on all cylinders and any horse can jump up and win it. Particularly in recent history when there hasn't been any real standouts, most years.

Guess you could also say that Asmussen with the 500 horses he has should have a KD winner by now. He's been training on his own a lot longer than Todd.

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Draynay — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:47:50 GMT

Draynot seems like you miss the point which is par for the course.

Pletcher is a very accomplished trainer but a 0 for 44 record with colts in Triple Crown races proves he has a problem training young ones to win those big races.

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Footlick — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:48:06 GMT

Carlos- not all horses can run 10 furlongs in top company, but I agree that there are other factors involved. Class, temperment, agility all need to be part of the equation. We tend to breed alot of 9 furlong horses in this country, so it's the horse with that extra on that day that wins.

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Carlos in Cali — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:59:14 GMT

Seriously,it takes a whole lot of luck combined with optimum favorable circumstances/conditions to win the Derby,not solely the 'pedigree profiles' of said contenders.All horses can run the 1 1/4mile distance,some just manage to run it faster depending on the pace scenario & trip.I find it funny,if not telling,when the 'Pedigree people' suppose their picks/analysis for the Derby,then disappear when their 'historically correct genetic profiled' horses are nowhere to be found after the Derby.

Relva,stop it!...Take Control made his debut only 3wks ago,I highly doubt that you've "liked him for awhile",..Mr. Bandwagon-man. lol

Jason,..Cardinals will be in the NFC Championship game again,vs. the Vikings(I told u).Them being a 7point underdog to the struggling Saints is a joke!All they have to do is tackle better which is easily correctable.Cardinals 34-Saints 17, Vikings 27-Cowboys 13. AFC) Colts 24-Ravens 20(or vice- versa),Chargers 28-Jets 10. BAM!!

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draynot — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:43:20 GMT

I see draynay's been laying in the weeds waiting to pounce on something with all his negative b.s. This time it's Pletcher. If memory serves me nay nay was on the Dunkirk bandwagon for as long as he was on any bandwagon last year. Wasn't Dunkirk trained by Pletcher and why would nay nay back him at any time if he really thought Pletcher was never going to win a Triple Crown Race with a colt? It's a good bet that one of the 50-60 colts draynay backs at sometime this year (some things never change) will be one trained by the man he says can't win the Derby.

Pletcher is a world class trainer, one of the best, to count him out for any reason is foolish with the talent he is given to work with. I don't like his record in this situation either but it's not the only factor to consider.

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steve s — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:55:33 GMT

You didn't even mention Battle Plan who ran one mile 1:35:70 at Gulfstream

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steve s — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:38:53 GMT

Pletcher can get them ready to sprint real fastbut that about it-dont sent them horses past 7 furlongs-they get beat and are always being bet

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MonicaV — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:57:37 GMT

Charlie Whittingham was one of the finest trainers ever and he didn't win the Derby until he was in his 70's with Ferdinand and then 3 years later won it with Sunday Silence. It was a long time coming for him.