Belmont Stakes TrueNicks Available

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Byron Rogers — Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:05:03 GMT

Ryan,

There have been a couple of private studies that have done a lot more on mtDNA parentage than the initial study by Dr Hill. Dr Stephen Harrison outlined a study in 2006 that showed similar results as Dr Hill and it might be worth taking a look at his site www.thoroughbredgenetics.com.

We are working on a Pedigree Seminar with the Blood Horse later in the year and Dr Hill will be one of the speakers there so you may be able to get your questions answered there.

Byron

re: Belmont Stakes TrueNicks Available

ryan — Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:36:46 GMT

Byron,

This is the third time i am going to make this post. i must be having technical difficulties. Yes, i read Dr. Hill's research a few years ago when it was released. Are you aware of any follow up study with a larger sample? I emailed both Thoroughbred Heritage and Dr. Hill asking this question but i never received a response. Thank you

re: Belmont Stakes TrueNicks Available

John T — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 23:59:21 GMT

The first leg of the English and American Triple Crowns are run on the first Saturday in May but there is a big difference, the former being at a mile and the latter at 10 furlongs. But the second leg of the English and the third leg of the American are also run on the same day, the first Saturday in June and this time comparisons can be made not only for future important races but also for breeding purposes as both races are at 12 furlongs. It is interesting to note both fancied runners in the Belmont trained by Nick Zito are by son's of AP Indy, Ice Box by Pulpit and Fly Down by Mineshaft and I will be looking forward to see how both perform. In the Epsom Derby I have a real soft spot for Bullet Train as he represents the last crop of 3 year olds by that great sire Sadler's Wells and would'nt you know it one of Sadler's Wells son's Montjue is the sire of the race favourite, Jan Vameer.

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Pedigree Shelly — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 20:49:32 GMT

Ice Box , considering his pedigree and performance should win the Belmont ! I'm glad to see his paternal gransire AP Indy has been classified as a chef-de-race . I was hoping to see him as a Classic/Solid instead of Intermediate / Classic ?

re: Belmont Stakes TrueNicks Available

byron rogers — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:11:20 GMT

Ryan,

Interesting comments. Not to be alarmist, but the Uvira family is one of a few that I treat with a little skepticism in regards to matrilineal inheritance.

Are you aware of the mtDNA studies completed by Dr Hill, et al and Dr Harrison? These studies found that there are quite a lot of errors in female families when measuring mtDNA haplotypes which are passed down mother to daughter and can be measured for conformity. It is my understanding that the Uvira family, along with the Mumtaz Mahal family (no 9 on the Bruce Lowe system) and a couple of other notable female families have errors in them as far as some branches of these did not have the same haplotype as others that the General Stud Book, and the Lowe numbers had them classified in.

re: Belmont Stakes TrueNicks Available

ryan — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:23:50 GMT

First Dude is from a foundation family (Uvira) that can get better with distance. It is interesting that members of this foundation family have a low relative frequency of stakes winners compared to their place in the general population. However, when their offspring achieve balance and motion efficiency (with their size and durability) they can carry long distances. The Lassie Dear line of this family boasting AP Indy, Lemon Drop Kid, Summer Squall, Kipling, and Court Vision are most notable. Assuming that he came out of the Preakness fit, we expect him to run huge. Huge Dude!

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judge angelucci — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:36:44 GMT

Ice Box got this, best horse in the race

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Fly Down — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 04:07:45 GMT

Watch Fly Down in the belmont who is by Mineshaft/a Fly So Free mare. Both stallions excelled at Belmont Park.

Mineshaft- 3 grade 1s including Jockey club Gold Cup. Fly so Free- 2 grade 1s including BCJuvenile.