Dream Match-Up Looms in Personal Ensign

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Stacey — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:33:42 GMT

Mike,

You show a serious lack of knowledge about horses if you don't know that horses ARE herd animals.

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Mike Relva — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 14:28:52 GMT

DAVE YORK

You show among other things a serious lack of respect referring to horses' as "herd animals". Hey Dave,if you were hanging from a cliff w/ a "herd animal" as you call them, guess which one I would attempt to save? Wrap your brain(if you have one) around that concept!

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sodapopkid — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:37:29 GMT

Yes, I do Mike. I really wish they would. Everything Zenyatta does has a question mark beside it and everything RA does and does not do is suppose to fine.

Zenyatta has nothing to prove this year, RA has plenty to prove.

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Stacey — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:34:26 GMT

That blog didn't bother to mention that those Euros weren't running on the turf as they are accustomed.

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dave york — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:29:08 GMT

Read the blog you posted. The gals that Z beat have never beat anybody. Running second or third or fifth means that they are herd animals. Do you know anything about this sport? Z will never race at CD.....trust me....the owners are scared of bringing her out of the west coast. We will know soon. Please save this for historical purposes. I still am looking for the wager opportunity. Is anybody in Las Vegas listening?

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sodapopkid — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 23:14:36 GMT

Also, HP has a conventional dirt track they train Zen on when she is going to run on dirt. If you dont believe it exists, go to youtube.com and search for Jhshfs05 and look for the link called "Newbabies" it shows John bringing the new horses to train on the dirt track at HP. Dont forget, HP was dirt tracks before they were synthetics, So it makes sense that they would still have a dirt track around and having the main track synthetics.

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Mike Relva — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 23:14:08 GMT

SODAPOPKID

Great points! Too many idiot's that don't get it! Don't you wish they would just all go away?

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sodapopkid — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:36:33 GMT

I copied and pasted this for you Dave York, I found this on another blog this morning. This answers your question about who Zen faced in the Hirsch. It also explains that this group is graded other than ungraded in the LS.

Zenyatta raced no one in this year's Clement L. Hirsch has got their head stuck up their proverbial a--. It wasn't American fillies and mares trying to cut down Zenyatta at Del-Mar today. It was some outstanding mares from Ireland and Great Britain. Rinterval, ran 2nd today, and also just ran 2nd to Informed Decision in the Chicago Handicap in July at Arlington. She also ran 2nd to another great Euro mare, Lush Lashes, in the Goff Hotel Millions Stakes at the Curragh in Ireland. 3rd place finisher, Princess Taylor, ran 2nd to Barshiba in the Plantation Stud Fillies Stakes at Newmarket. Barshiba is a back to back winner of the Lancashire Oaks, and just finished 3rd behind Harbinger in the Hardwicke Stakes at Ascot. Princess Taylor also finished 2nd in the Warwickshire Oaks Stakes in the UK as well. The 3rd place finisher in the race, Spring Style, is also from Ireland. Today is her best finish of her American races to date. But she's been racing tough competition. She finished 5th in the G2 La Canada Stakes to Life is Sweet. 6th in the G2 Buena Vista Handicap to Tuscan Evening, and 5th to Gotta Have her in the G2 Royal Heroine Mile. So Spring Style has had no shortage of competition in America herself. I think both Blame and Quality Road are outstanding colts. Without question, the two best conventional dirt COLTS in America. Blame especially likes Churchill Downs. Having won the G2 Clark Handicap and the G1 Stephen Foster Handicap at Churchill Downs. But neither Quality Road or Blame has ever won beyond 9 furlongs in their careers. I think that will be the difference maker in this year's B.C.Classic. Zenyatta has won the Classic over 10 furlongs. For her, the longer the distance, the more effective her late closing tactics become. Plus, she run's conventional dirt well enough herself. Having proven that by winning two G1's at Oaklawn. I think both Quality Road and especially Blame will make for tough opponents in the Classic. But I think that one extra furlong is to Zenyatta's advantage, and will be the factor that wins her back to back Breeders Cup Classics. JMO.

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Mike Relva — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:42:30 GMT

DAVE YORK

Since you're bringing trainers' into it,Baffert stated last week Zenyatta is better on dirt. Mike Mitchell was quoted,"Zenyatta is the best mare that I've seen in my lifetime". Jim Cassidy,(who assisted with Ruffian )says Zenyatta is in the same league. I would say these individuals should know what they're talking about. What do you think? BTW,Haskin said in his forty three yrs. of racing he hasn't seen anything like her. What would they know,right?

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Dave York — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:57:07 GMT

Zenyatta Fans,

Who did she beat in the Hirsch? Grade 1 race? 1:15 for six furlongs? This is a great race horse that has been given many victories because there is no competition on the west coast. These plastic tracks are set up to favor closers. Ask Baffert Ellis or any of the other top trainers on the west coast how much they like these plastic tracks. Almost everybody wants to change back to dirt.

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Mike Relva — Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:05:18 GMT

DAVE YORK

Why then you you think the reason was for UNRETIRING ZENYATTA this year if Breeders' Classic wasn't the goal? Makes no sense!

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dave york — Fri, 06 Aug 2010 20:26:57 GMT

Mike Relva

SHOW ME THE MONEY!

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Mike Relva — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 23:35:52 GMT

DAVE YORK

Trust me,I'll be here to remind you when it doesn't work out your way! Make sure you leave the lame excuses at home.

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Mike Relva — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:59:33 GMT

DAVE YORK

You sound as if you graduated from clown school!!!! LOl

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dave york — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:13:10 GMT

I will be at CD for the Breeders Cup. RA will be at CD for the breeders cup. Zen will be laying around watching the Breeders Cup from SoCal. I am still waiting for the wager to show up. Someone please offer some serious money on Zen showing up at CD for the BC. The payoff should occur at the finish line on the rail at CD. Get Bloodhorse there for the photo.

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sodapopkid — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:35:20 GMT

The difference in having a good horse (RA) and having a great horse(Zen) is preservation.

When you have something great, You keep it great, You preserve it.

Big difference in the way both of these horses have been managed,

The preserved, well managed horse keeps on winning,

The unpreserved, mismangaged horse soon faulters.

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Mike Relva — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 21:52:30 GMT

SODAPOPKID

Well said! Unlike Jackson,Moss think's of his horse FIRST!

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sodapopkid — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:45:09 GMT

Stacey, Maybe Moss is different than someone like J.Jackson.

Maybe his horse means more to him than that of HOTY, Just maybe he thinks "My horse dont have to recieve HOTY, we will be happy knowing she retired beating Cig and Cit, and Eclipse himself, and PP. When she wins the BCC this year she will be one of the richest fillies NA will ever had.

You know, I respect a man that loves his horse and not his own interest callled MONEY, IF he was like J.Jackson, he could go around holding tracks as hostage to just to get a bigger purse, he dont do that, and he has a hell of alot better horse than JJ does.

JJ, last year, thought of himself, not his horse, so this year ,the horse let him down, way down.

MOss thought of his horse, and he still does, To date, his horse has not ever let him down.

IN the end Stacey, Zenyatta will win, because Moss has treated her right and has never abused her just to get an extra dollar.

Zen will take down whoever she has to in the BCC, Why? Because she is just that good.

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Stacey — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:58:15 GMT

soda,

The reason you didn't see most of those males in the BCC is because the Woodward destroyed them as much as it destroyed Rachel - and she's the only horse in the race that ran those suicidal fractions the entire distance. Several of them have since been retired as well. What does THAT say about Rachel's guts, endurance and resiliency?

I found something interesting last night. In a national conference call last August Jerry Moss was quoted as saying, "… We happen to live in California, so that’s what we build around. And we do plan a lot around where the Breeders’ Cup is. If the Breeders’ Cup were in New York or Churchill Downs, we’d be all over the country.”

So has anyone told Mr. Moss where the Breeders' Cup is being held this year? Because based on his own words and Zenyatta's current schedule, he seems to think that it's in California again. Either that or he doesn't plan on running her back in the BC this year.

Or maybe he just decided that he'd rather keep Zenyatta in her own backyard, beating the same mediocre competition in order to significantly increase the likelihood that she will remain undefeated.

So if that's what he wants - for Zenyatta to retire undefeated - that's great! More power to him! But if he wants her to be crowned HOY and hailed as the greatest that ever was and ever will be then he'll have to challenge her.

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Bob Z — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 04:04:21 GMT

www.youtube.com/nyravideo

She normally runs 4 furlongs the first workout back... I guess they are trying to push her a little bit getting ready for a mile and a quarter...

I guess that would mean that she'll be going 6 furlongs next Monday and maybe 7 the week after that(?)

How does on prepare a horse to run another 1/8 mile in a race? Increase the gallop out distance after a work (?)

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sodapopkid — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 03:33:22 GMT

Well, I will say this Stacey or whoever you really are, All the males RA beat last year don't compare to field assembled in the BCC that Zenyatta beat. Last year had the worst group of three year old colts that we have had other than SB. Zenyatta beat him after he was well conditioned, and not just starting out when RA beat him.

And the Woodward field, lets just say this, " where are they now' thats how bad they really were. That was a bunch of metiocre males if ever was. So, yeah, Ra raced against the boys three times , but in reality most of the older mares last year would have and certainly could have crushed all the males she beat, I know one older mare who could because she beat the best the world could throw at her at once, that being the BCC.

I dont remember seeeing to many of the males RA beat last year that was good enough to make it to the BCC. Where was them boys at, other than SB and MTB, what happened to all the other males, Stacey, why wasnt any of them in the BCC. Truth is, We all know why!

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Mike Relva — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:21:05 GMT

STACEY

I'm finished debating. The point isn't about RA. I've stated many times I'm truly aware she's a once in a lifetime horse. You are side stepping what ALL these individuals say about Zenyatta. Question? Do you think they are wrong? I don't!

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Stacey — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:19:01 GMT

soda,

You're not actually suggesting that Rachel's connections are unwilling to run her against boys, are you?

How many times has Rachel run again (and beaten!) the boy? Three times. How many times has Zenyatta run against the boys? Once.

What flavor is this Zenyatta kool-aid? It must be really yummy!

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Stacey — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:49:57 GMT

The Apple Blossom is in the past. Move on, let it go. The Personal Ensign is in the future. Both ladies look to be in form now. Now is the time for them to meet. The only ones making excuses now are the Zenyatta zealots.

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sodapopkid — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:38:47 GMT

Well, Ian, Your poll on here is just like all the other polls going on, They all have one main thing, They have Zenyatta the lead in every one of them.

Same thing with the poll going on over on DRF.com with Jay Hovdey.