Poll: Hopeful 2YOs

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ITapp — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:11:03 GMT

Well done, TrueNicks readers... the poll results nailed the tri. Too bad there was no trifecta wagering, and the exacta paid just $11.40.

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Pedigree Shelly — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 00:24:55 GMT

Well , the Hopeful went to Boys at Tosconova !I've dug into his pedigree and I just don't see him as a classic type horse ! I could just as well be wrong ! Officer's progeny are win early type horses ! I've never seen one as a classic prospect , maybe the Coronado's Quest on his dam's side may help ? He's inbred 5sx4dx5d to In Reality , plus he's inbred 5sx5d to Raise A Native with a DI of 3.00 and CD of +0.88 . I know he's below that magic number 4.00 , but I just cant see him going 1 1/4 miles !

On another interesting note , The Hopeful Stakes was a Man O' War exacta, so to speak, The winner Boys at Tosconova traces back in tail male to Man O' War ! Stay Thirsty who ran a nice second is related to Man O' War through his 8th dam Masda , a full sister to Man O' War ! It's also interesting to note that Man O'War won The Hopeful !

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Ian Tapp — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 15:04:34 GMT

Scot,

On the subject of Coronado's Quest, he's also broodmare sire of Soldat--beaten by Wine Police in the race above but 6 lengths from the third horse. He came back yesterday to win the With Anticipation (gr. III) on turf. Soldat is the first GSW for War Front.

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stgillies — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:02:38 GMT

Following up on Sceptre's analysis, I'll add that Boys at Tosconova has a promising damsire. Coronado's Quest was a great steal for Japan's breeding program in 2004 (and a terrible loss two years later at a young age). From only five U.S. crops he's already represented as damsire by Kodiak Kowboy (whose first crop are weanlings of 2010) and grade I-winning filly Mani Bhavan. And those three lines of In Reality aren't random: they come (through the two damsires and the sire line) from In Reality himself and his two most successful stallion sons. He wasn't on my radar especially, but I'll be watching now.

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Ian Tapp — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:34:36 GMT

sceptre,

Agreed. Boys At Tosconova is an absolute freak...

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sceptre — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 18:06:18 GMT

Reports suggest that Boys At Tosconova was purchased (as a yearling) purely on his looks (without much, if any, pedigree consideration). Had I been there (wish I had), he would have been among the few to single out for inspection-purely due to his pedigree. Well, recent articles now indicate that this horse is a real looker. Should this be true, then I'd have to say there's a reasonably good chance that "Boys" may be the best stallion prospect running, anywhere. Bold statement, I know, but with his already apparent great ability, likely good looks, and a good-enough and much needed pedigree profile, this is an extremely desirable stallion in the making. I haven't felt this strongly about one since Unbridled's Song or Indian Charlie. I'd probably breed to him now, even if he never ran again. I've followed his tail-female for seven generations (back to the days of What's New's-"New Act"). This old Greentree family is the real deal, and Boy's descends consistently from among its best representatives. He's a better prospect (pedigree-wise, etc.) than was his sire Officer (who's good enough), and the 3x In Reality linebreeding is an added plus. Just the sort we need here in our stallion ranks. I say all this because I want others to get excited about him---want to support him (as a stallion)-so that there'll be less chance that we'll lose him (as his present owners might later be concerned that his pedigree is insufficient to receive adequate support). I think this guy is the real deal.

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Ian Tapp — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:15:09 GMT

ckroger,

The Champagne should be awesome: Uncle Mo vs. whoever wins the Hopeful. Then again, Boys At Tosconova might dominate the Hopeful and then go straight to the BC Juvenile.

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ckroger — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:49:37 GMT

Uncle Mo

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ITapp — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:17:26 GMT

dave york,

I checked out Rough Sailing's maiden win; visually impressive, but even considering the soft turf, they went 1:17 2/5 for 6 furlongs, so I'm not sure how much you can read into such a gallop-and-sprint over that ground.

Also, he's a Mizzen Mast/Woodman with pronounced turf action. I'm not sure dirt is in the cards for this guy, but I guess you never know.

Ian

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ckroger — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:22:55 GMT

Ninth dam?!!! What if I'm related to George Washington? Does that make me a presidential candidate?

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dave york — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:41:30 GMT

The best looking move in the stretch I have seen this summer by a two year old = Rough Sailing = at Arlington on 8 August. Finishes a mile in under 24 for the last 1/4. I suggest you put this one in your stable mail. If he transfers his ability to dirt, he should be at the top of your list for the classics for three year olds.

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Pedigree Shelly — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 22:12:33 GMT

I think Stay Thirsty has a future !! I'd like to see him in the Hopeful ! Nice pedigree too! His ninth dam Masda was a full sister to Man O' War !

Ian , By the way , When is your next question ? My brain misses the torture :)

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Ian Tapp — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:46:22 GMT

Jason,

2011 Iowa Derby? Thanks for the tip.

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Dosha — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:37:42 GMT

I like Boys at Tosconova. His dam (Little Bonnet) was 3rd in the 1 1/8 mile Sands Point and 5th in the 1 1/2 CC American Oaks. Officer will give the speed and hopefully the dam provides the stamina.

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HLLIKINS — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:50:58 GMT

I am a fan of the names so far. Would be nice to see all of them do well.

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Jason Shandler — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:21:32 GMT

Stay Thirsty is your 2011 Derby winner. You're welcome.