Zenyatta Nephew Brings $4.2 Million

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Zenyatta Forever — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 23:19:25 GMT

hey the colt looks beautiful I see Zenyatta in him for sure

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sceptre — Sun, 19 Sep 2010 03:48:56 GMT

To Ann In Lexington-

I'm not by any means an A P Indy fan, but I wouldn't characterize him as a "Big, late maturing distance sire". A P Indy is medium sized, and tends to sire medium size. They are also not particularly late maturing--has had many good 2 yr. old runners, and while many can go a distance, many show speed running short. Aside from his then (and now) elite sire status, and the fact it's a pleasing cross, A P Indy's medium size was probably a factor in his selection for the big/tall Balance.

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sodapopkid — Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:23:25 GMT

Quit fooling yourselves people. What brought this price for this colt is the fact who his aunt is. I havent recalled seeing any other A.P.Indy colts selling for this price. When you have a chance to get a Zenyatta cross with some of Secretariats' bloodline, You want it..

And to think , Balance is in foal now to Street Cry. thats great too.

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sodapopkid — Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:24:03 GMT

Well Big Fella, Your auntie just made you a little more famous. YOur auntie Zenyatta has made it in Oprah Winfrey's Powerlist . Now just think you handsome fella, now you have bloodlines that are so great they made it to the queen of daytimes Powerlist. The queen of daytime can meet the queen of horse racing...........Next, the Hollywood Walk of Fame.......

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Auriyana — Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:22:32 GMT

This A.P. Indy Colt looks just like his daddy, and I hope he stays sound, is given the time he needs to grow properly and strongly and wish him the best on and off the track.

@Ann in Lexington - I realize that pedigree can make a difference in how a horse grows and matures but at the same time are there any nicks that show that breeding a late blooming family to another late blooming family will just produce another late or even later maturing foal ? Don't they work the yearlings before they are sold so people have a chance to see how well the horse is developing as a racehorse ? Granted, I'm a true outsider looking in, but would think for people to be that excited over a colt like this A.P. Indy/Balance offspring that there would be more to it than meets the eye. I know politics can make things seem more than what they are, but for someone to throw $4.2 million at a hope and a prayer purchase that they may not ever see back, is just down right nonsense. Especially if the horse doesn't have much of a chance at being a top contender in any major races that he'd have to be ready for at a young age. So, I would think the question I have is was this auction a "Yearlings In Training" auction or an "Untrained Yearling" auction ? If it was a Yearling in Training auction then what where this horse's workout times as that may answer a lot of questions.

Having said that I think I would have rather of seen Balance bred to the likes of say Orientate, Touch Gold, After Market, Eskendereya or even Forestry as possible better choices than A.P. Indy

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MyBigRed — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:18:17 GMT

Wow, what a BIG handsome fella! I pray his owners & trainer will take their time with him & keep him safe & healthy.

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Karen — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:01:48 GMT

I have followed horses sold at the OBS Adena Springs sale. They also sell poorly and don't seem to amount to much. Most of Adena's horses are complete outcrosses in 5 generations. They also seem to rotate each of their stallions to each mare. Is this a long term breeding strategy that produces a lot of duds in the short term? Any insight Ian?

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rob — Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:20:59 GMT

THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSE IAN, I WAS REALLY COFUSED ABOUT THE ADENA HORSES, AND THEY ARE STILL SELLING POORLY

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Ann in Lexington (aka Pedigree Ann) — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 22:09:40 GMT

After I saw an ad for this $4.2 million baby, I wrote on the bighorse board that I wondered what the breeder was thinking. Big, late maturing distance sire with a mainly late-maturing distance female family. Good page, questionable reasoning. My board-buddies and I agreed that he isn't a good candidate to be ready to race at top levels at 2 or early at 3, given his sire and family family; Balance was about the only member of family to come to hand early and unless she dominates the genetics, it ain't gonna happen. If I had the choice of Balance's matings, I would have sent her to more of a miler type who was earlier maturing - a Hard Spun sort? - to get a more versatile offspring.

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Ava — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 22:08:06 GMT

I don't really like it when yearlings sell for milllions! That's crazy! A true race performer,---maybe--- that has already hit the track, and past performance warrants that type of price tag due to stallion shares-- But come on people! The buying/selling at Keeneland is all who you know, ---- all political 'good ol' boy' deals---- they just trade dollars between them------

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ruffianruns — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:34:19 GMT

Just found out that Mountcat sold for $150,000 to Birubi Stud owners Malcolm and Sandra Hale. She's carrying that foal and sells for $150,000? Is there an exchange rate issue here? The foal is due in a couple of weeks....

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ruffianruns — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:30:25 GMT

Like the site makeover.

I remember reading back in the spring that Zenyatta's dam, Vertigineux, had a half sister, Mountcat, who was in foal to Street Sense by Street Cry. Mountcat was being sold at auction in Australia. Any news on that foal? I'm looking forward to that baby.

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Zen's Auntie — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:33:15 GMT

ITapp you are always so knowledgeable, thank you. I am glad you can give us an inside look here, it does make some sense then but really... even less sense as then as without the heart strings tugging hip 155 may have gone for even less?? - yearlings are funny they soemtimes look awful and grow up quite nice. a simple thing like prolonged weaning stress, or a stubborn cold can really make them look poorly. Im against over feeding yearlings to make them grow too fast, makes for weak ligaments IMO - its HR's first foal right? at the price the chance might just be worth it. I find myself looking at other Adena offerings, just wishing....

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Ian Tapp — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:32:55 GMT

ZA,

John Greathouse campaigned Honey Ryder before selling her for $1.75mil carrying that GC colt, so maybe there's some sentiment involved with that purchase.

I saw the colt in the ring, looked very immature, but it's about what you'd expect from a Lasting Approval mare like Honey Ryder. A good racemare, but unproven producer. Time will tell.

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Zen's Auntie — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:16:42 GMT

OK now I took a minute to look at the sale record from K so far and Im floored. Check out #155 - this kid must have 3 legs or something Hes A GC colt out of the 2.27 Mil earner Honey Ryder she raced from 2 to 6 - J.M. Greathouse picked this colt up for 30K I gotta see a picture of this little guy what the heck is going on there???

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Zen's Auntie — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:28:40 GMT

20k for a GC colt???!! - I think I should have gotten together a group of investors, crimminy you could race him in the minors and retire him to stud out in the NW and make it all back in fees alone - proving he has even basicly sound conformation. I am really curious now about why these young horses arent selling well? Are they Late foals that arent as big? are they letting them grow up outside and run around and get scruffy (like they should to build the best bone anyway) and dont look chubby and "hot-house" grown enough? There is VALUE in these horses. Just like Z was a 60K yearling there is a treasure to be discovered in a few of these underpriced yearlings.

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Ian Tapp — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:21:45 GMT

rob,

Interesting point. Adena certainly didn't have any luck with their first 8 lots at KEESEP -- Giant's Causeway, Tiznow, Mr. Greeley, and Empire Maker RNA's; 2 Ghostzappers, a Distorted Humor, and a Giant's Causeway sold for just $20k, $20k, $25k, and $30k, respectively.

I didn't see all of these horses so I couldn't make an educated guess as to why they weren't more popular, but I guess something physically didn't add up. Their pedigrees, as you say, are excellent. Perhaps they are undervalued?

Adena tends to do this -- offer young stock and race them if they don't sell. One notable example: Ginger Punch was a $27,000 RNA as a 2yo. Stronach kept her and she was a champion.

Ian

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sodapopkid — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 03:27:28 GMT

Ian, I agree. I don't think they will part with any of her foals.

But I bet they will be getting some prospects on them.

Ian, Maybe this is why Balance's foals are going so good so far, because they know the Mosses more than likely won't part with any of Zenyatta's foals........this is the closest they will get to having a piece of the Zenyatta legacy.......

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christy tate — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 03:20:22 GMT

wish the youngster the best hope he stays healthy and sound and makes to the races. he has the potential, but ther's a lot that could happen. guess uncertainty in the horse world, as in life, is something that we just have to deal with.

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rob — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 02:49:46 GMT

why is it the adena springs horses that are in the select sessions go for so little,they have immpecable breeding,is it that their conformation is so bad.if so why are they in the select sessions?does adena keep their goods ones and try to sell their bad ones?

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ITapp — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 02:38:45 GMT

sodapopkid,

Zenyatta is a horse, and in nature, mares are bred every season. The only thing pregnancy will take out of her is approximately one foal per year. I would argue that her racing talent is reason to breed her more often, not less often.

I'm certain she will receive every luxury of care and would be managed in way to maximize her well being.

And I'd be shocked if the Mosses don't race every single one of her foals.

Ian

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Zen's Auntie — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:00:52 GMT

what a darling boy! I will echo the comments here that this fellow be given all the time he needs to mature HE has substance galore but just looks like he will be a MONSTER at 4 I hope the triple crown races dont become the focus and they let him grow up like Z and Blame. Still 4.2?? Hoe Lee SMOKE!!!

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sodapopkid — Mon, 13 Sep 2010 23:02:42 GMT

Since the Mosses love Zenyatta like a baby, Do you think they will breed her every year or every other year? I cant see them breeding her yearly considering it may take alot out of her, Also Ian, How many foals do you see them keeping (maybe all of them) What do you think?

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sodapopkid — Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:47:58 GMT

Ian, Over on TT, I saw a quick video of him at Keeneland being walked around, I tell you this, he is built big structured like Zenyatta is. I hope they let him fully mature, and I think then they will see a true champion, like Balance, and especially, like his auntie Zenyatta.

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Fuzzy Corgi — Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:24:49 GMT

I was impressed with how composed this colt was in the ring. I have a feeling we will see him on the Triple Crown trail however I wish they would wait a bit for him. His family seems to develop a little later.