Derby Threat: Dialed In

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ImmortalZenyatta — Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:51:33 GMT

Pro Capper, I almost forgot....in regards to your comment about my horse now being favored over Uncle Mo by many, YES, you are right but I NEVER concern myself with other handicapper trends. He was MY pick BEFORE the HOLY BULL not after. The fact that so many have jumped on his bandwagon ACTUALLY upsets me and in regards to my comment, honors for EARLY DERBY FAVORITE still go to Uncle Mo as the Future Book Odds have it in LAS VEGAS at 4/1. I AM SORRY, BUT HAVE YOU DISCLOSED YOUR PICK?

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ImmortalZenyatta — Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:29:15 GMT

Easy now....Pro Capper, let's NOT forget that the mare you are referring to holds the "HORSE OF THE YEAR" title like it or not. That was made possible by many professionals in the Industry whom I admire and respect. Respect is due to this GREAT mare and her connections. Sure, she didn't quite win the Breeder's Cup Classic last year but I can't think of too many horses who have won 19 races in a row, can you? If so, please shoot me their names because I haven't come across them in YEARS...NO....DECADES....and YES, the GREAT SUNDAY SILENCE is all in for the Derby but I'll let HIM disclose any and all info in regards to that if he so chooses. No need to knock you or ANYONE in this blog...NOT my style so I'll refrain from stooping to that level. I obviously have come across too many GLORIFIED claimers who like to TALK. There is no need for that, anyone can TALK the TALK but can they WALK the WALK? Not many, that's for sure. Oh, and bucking trends....far from it. You've got to KNOW someone before you can make remarks and I SERIOUSLY doubt that ANYONE here actually knows the rest of the bloggers' handicapping skills. We're all going to have a DIFFERENT point of view, DIFFERENT handicapping styles, and DIFFERENT Derby picks. All in good fun, as it should be, keep it PROFESSIONAL and RESPECTFUL guys. Zenyatta is and forever will be an immortalized LEGEND in this industry. Blame and his connections have my respect but Zenyatta and her connections are in a league of their own. To the GREAT SUNDAY SILENCE, If my horse doesn't make the cut....I am DEFINATELY rooting for you! Your pick sure looks GOOD and at the ODDS you got.....WATCH OUT!

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Pro Capper — Sun, 13 Feb 2011 01:15:55 GMT

Well Zen Lady if The Great Sunday Silence is such a great handicapper who does he like for the derby? I hope he has won a few times since Sunday won it. And if he is a great handicapper I am sure he layed it ALL on Blame in the Breeders Cup, unlike some inferior handicappers who bet the mare. As for the early favorite not winning the derby, your dialed in is now the choice of many over the immortal Uncle Mo. Where are Sea the Stars and Cuban Chef? Have they gone all in on Dialed In and Uncle Mo? I want to hear from The Great Sunday Silence as well. He knocks Beyer figures and so do I, but I love his ice cream! Good Night Now!!!

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ImmortalZenyatta — Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:40:10 GMT

Well, Pro Capper...The Great Sunday Silence is ABSOLUTELY right....he only happens to be one of the GREATEST handicappers I PERSONALLY happen to know! As for who I have this year, my experiences over the years have taught me that a year such as this with a HEAVY early favorite, the Derby can be won by the LEAST expected at a NICE price. Do I have a ticket? ABSOLUTELY. I don't like to wait UNTIL Derby day to make a WIN bet. WIN or LOSE, at the very least it is done with CONVICTION.

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Pro Capper — Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:25:42 GMT

Well the Great Sunday Silence is correct. Some people are all talk Chef. You all are over betting a horse who has only ran two races. Both at ONE turn. Time will show that he isn't that good since he can not keep pace. Figures, statistics, sires, and grand sires are not the ones who run the big race. That horse gets left at the gate in the derby and he has NO chance little Zenyata girl. You mentioned 200 last year, what do you have wagered this year since you seem to wager in January? You might make history because you seem to buck the trends, at least last year you did. Every body gets excited early for the Kentucky Derby and any horse who wins they jump on his bandwagon big Chefaroo. What odds do you have on Uncle Mo 4 to 1? Or are you holding out for the exacta? You folks keep focusing on the great great grand sires anybody can get lucky sometime. Remember that Granpa doesn't run the big race and I WILL have the winner and the exacta on Derby Day. Good Night Now!

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The Great Sunday Silence — Fri, 11 Feb 2011 01:10:03 GMT

Show me the MONEY!!! You can talk and talk just like those clowns on TVG. Settle it with a handicapping tourny on the key races leading up to and including the derby. Somebody invite that over rated Andy Beyer as well. I'm all in baby!

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Ian Tapp — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:56:52 GMT

Yeah, Cuban. Please don't get GETTO up in here.

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ImmortalZenyatta — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:38:42 GMT

Cuban chef de race, with all due respect, there is such a thing called CLASS in the racing industry as well as in the Human world and some people seriously lack it ESPECIALLY when someone challenges their comments. The books I have read are books approved by THE DAILY RACING PRESS with proven facts throughout the years such as past performances, breeder and trainer insight, etc. I can read....and I know what I have read. How do I know that....because I can write. I went to school unlike some who shall remain unnamed. Truth be told, I seriously doubt some of the comments or so called pieces of information shared in the last two blogs but that is the LEAST of my worries. It means NOTHING to me. All I can say is NO CLASS speaks out in anger, frustration, and idiocy instead of speaking out in FRIENDLY competition with etiquette and dignity. Points of view are to be RESPECTED. I respect everyones pick and point of view in this blog. No need for getting GETTO!

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cuban chef de race — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 03:10:07 GMT

aptitude a son of a.p.indy out dokky a daughter of the immortal northern dancer and alluvial by other legend the great buckpasser was beaten twice in the wood and derby by fusaichi pegasus ,what a.p.indy has better breeding then aptitude??,pay attention to class body.

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cuban chef de race — Wed, 09 Feb 2011 23:35:56 GMT

storm cat is by storm bird out of a secretariat and crimson Satan mare ,m.t.livermore is by blushing groom out of a crimson Satan mare!that is the problem with this mating too much sprint influence twice by crimson satan that is the real dialed in many handicapers think is going to fly at c.d,let's see. now summer squall is by storm bird out of a secretariat and buckpasser mare he did sire a kentucky derby winner and is the broodmare sire of belmont winner summer bird,storm cat and summer squall,can you compare crimson Satan twice in dialed in botton line with buckpasser? just a coment.

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Sea The Stars — Wed, 09 Feb 2011 10:41:18 GMT

Seeing how this was only his second career start I would say he did a great Job. Dialed in was only 4 lengths off at the 3/4 pole. Then he chewed em up, even after running at slow fractions. He is certainly a legitimate threat.

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cuban chef de race — Tue, 08 Feb 2011 23:56:33 GMT

remember last year b.c.c. the 1 and 2 finishers blame and zenyatta? well blame's sire arch is the broodmare sire of uncle mo and zenyatta'broodmare sire kris s is the sire of blame's sire arch!! a future broodmare sire superstar,now uncle Mo's sire indian charly who ran a 111 beyer when he won the santa anita derby did not have the female family to get the job done and lost the derby ran at a fast pace by less then 2 lenghts,his son uncle mo has who? arch,kris s,danzig,aurora,althea,dixieland band,roberto princequillo,alydar wow i am going to scratch my horse!!.

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cuban chef de race — Tue, 08 Feb 2011 22:18:45 GMT

well immortalzenyatta i also won with supersaver at 35/1 and you have not mention the belmont exacta and super i won in that one two and i do have prove with my twinspire betting account i think i am a little ahead becouse i did win in the belmont too,so you have some caching to do but thinking dialed in you will never catch me.

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wow oh wow — Tue, 08 Feb 2011 21:30:58 GMT

i actually got the chills watching his maiden win. incredible colt.

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cuban chef de race — Tue, 08 Feb 2011 21:23:42 GMT

you know to draw a horse line? pay attention ,at two maiden wine police did beat soldat by more then two lengths then wine police was beaten in the G1 hopeful stakes by almost three lengths by boys at toscanova who then was beaten by u.mo in the b.c.j.by almost 5 lenghts!! wow pedigree or high class? if uncle mo keep the same level of form his is going to avenge his talented sire and his obscure grand sire in excess by Siberian express by caro ,who broke the track record in the jokey club gold cup at belmont running the mile and a quarter in 1:58 and change and uncle mo female line is loaded with class and stamina be careful.

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cuban chef de race — Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:52:25 GMT

immortalzenyatta it look like you want to explore my winning kingdom.open the gate,i will start on the lead telling you that the little difference between mineshaft's dam and pulpit's dam is overtaken by the strong stamina influences in ice box's bottom line ,you can not compare something that hasn't be done like mineshaft-storm cat- m.t.livermore !! in a classic 10 furlongs race like pulpit-tabasco cat-alysheba did last year getting second place in the derby,this without mention the dam by speak john of one of the fastest Kentucky derby winners ever the great spend a buck ,are you talking serious about mineshaft-storm cat-m.t.livermore triple ? what kind of breeding books are you reading?you are going to wake up with a losing ticket ,good luck master.

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immortalZenyatta — Tue, 08 Feb 2011 10:38:44 GMT

I take it you are an UNCLE MO fan, cuban chef de race. Nothing wrong with that, EVERYONE else seems to think he's a lock for the Derby. I can't say I blame them, he's been pretty impressive. I won't get into his breeding and my thoughts on the matter, I don't want to write another novel. The one thing I will say is, he hasn't seen a field of 19 other horses that's for sure. Even if the owners and trainers know they don't have a CHANCE in the world, they'll enter their horses if they meet the entry criteria, SIMPLY because it's the Kentucky Derby! It happens every year. Too many times you'll see an INFERIOR horse beat a SUPERIOR horse because of all the little things that can go so wrong with a field of 20. Horses that have ABSOLUTELY no business end up at the starting gate. These are the horses that 9 times out of 10 will cause an overwhelming obstacle, shuffling, clipping heels, cuts, bruises, you name it. Clear of the pack, that's where you want to be and with the capability to unleash hell at that final turn. Your horse has to have some class, be mentally mature and finish like a pro. I will be rooting for Dialed In. I think Nick Zito would be insane NOT to take it slow and easy with this one and I am confident that he will as he has stated after The Holy Bull....last year the ENTIRE nation was locking in on Looking At Lucky, NO ONE expected him to lose let alone finish worse than second and I guarantee no one would of bet their ass off betting on Ice Box. Yes, he didn't win but that late charge of his will always stick with me....Zito had him wound up just right waiting patiently to unleash him in the Derby under the radar....well MARK my words....Dialed In is far more talented and Nick knows it. If anyone can train and prep a horse for the Derby....Zito is definately one of the BEST! By the way, I had Super Saver to win The Kentucky derby based on pedigree early In January last year. A copy of my Wynn(Las Vegas) $200 Ticket at odds of 35/1 (dated 2/24/2010),is framed on my wall amongst others in my collection. I've had some memorable Derby wins......but last year took the cake for me as a handicapper. Last years Derby is a perfect example of what CAN and most often than not WILL go wrong. Calvin Borel riding CLASS & PEDIGREE in the Kentucky Derby! How in the world did I get 35/1? !!! Simple. It makes sense when you look at the BIG picture. Is Looking At Lucky a better horse? Absolutely, but a field of 20 is tough for any horse, even a good one. Super Saver had shown some determination leading into the Derby even when losing by close to nothing, he was challenged, TRULY challenged down that stretch on more than one occassion in his races prior to The Derby and that mental preparation leading into The Derby is in my opinion KEY. Good luck to you.

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immortalZenyatta — Tue, 08 Feb 2011 09:22:19 GMT

cuban chef de race, I'm sorry but are we talking about the same Dialed In? My Dialed In does not have ENTIRELY the same female line as Ice Box, in fact my Dialed In is out of Mineshaft while Ice Box is out of Pulpit. Yes Mineshaft and Pulpit were both sired by the great A.P.Indy but even then they do not share the same dam. Pulpit is out of Preach while Mineshaft is out of Prospector's Delite. Yes these two mares are out of Mr. Prospector but thats where the similarities END. You see each dam has her own female line regardless of her sire line. There is no comparison between Preach and Prospector's Delite. Prospector's Delite descends from blue blood on her dam's side. She is royally bred. The name War Admiral says it all! Samuel D. Riddle's triple crown winner War Admiral is as ROYALLY bred as they come. The same applies to Ice Box and Dialed In's female family tree on the dam's side. Yes Miss Doolittle (Dialed In's dam) and Spice Island (Ice Box's dam) are both descendants of Storm Cat but that is also were the similarities end! Their sire lines while similar could not be more different on their dam side. Spice Island is out of Crown of Sheba, who is out of Belle de Jour, Battle Dress, Armorial, and so on. Who the HECK are they? What impact did they have in the racing world? NONE. Miss Doolittle on the other hand is out of STAKES WINNER, ECLPISE AWARD WINNER, 1992 CHAMPION filly "ELIZA"....a great source of CLASS to say the LEAST! Eliza is out of Daring Bidder who was sired by the great Bold Bidder. Bold Bidder called The Wheatly stable home. Does the name Wheatly Stable ring a bell? How about Sunny Jim Fitzsimmons and Ogden Phipps? Who the HECK are they? Only a couple of the BEST and CLASSIEST this industry will ever know! They DEFINATELY knew CLASS and had nothing but the BEST in their stables. So you see, I must disagree, these two (Icebox and Dialed In) could not be more different! Female lines in my opinion DEFINE class or NO class. Dialed In DEFINATELY has class. I am not saying he's a lock to win the Derby by all means but he has the class, stamina, and build to get the mile and a quarter and don't get me started on breeders. There are breeders that breed to breed and breeders who breed to WIN, and W.S.Farish (Dialed In's breeder),is what legacies are made of. Winning on turf is great at a mile and 3/8, but the problem with that is that the Derby isn't run on the turf, it's run on dirt. Yes Mt. Livermore was a sprinter and the point is? Didn't Eliza win over a mile? Yes, she won the 1992 Breeders Cup Juvenile(G1), The 1993 Santa Anita Oaks(G1), The 1993 Arlington Lassie(G2),The 1992 Keenland Alcibiades(G2),just to mention a few . Mt. Livermore was seen as a sire of speed, a son of Blushing Groom (a brilliant miler), who has imparted speed and stamina to some of his offspring such as Blushing John (who ran at distances of 1 1/4 mile ), and Sky Beauty (winner at 1 1/4 mile). With the EXCEPTION of Mt. Livermore, Miss Doolittle's family tree has more than PLENTY of more than capable of getting a mile and a quarter ANCESTORS to make it happen for Dialed In. Storm Cat(who is synonymous and pretty much found in 9 out of every 10 bloodlines), Storm Bird (who produced such greats as Storm Song, Summer Squall, and Thunder Gulch), Northern Dancer(who produced the brilliant Danzig amongst the countless others), Secretariat(who produced the great Risen Star), Bold Bidder(who produced the great Spectacular Bid), and Bold Ruler (who produced triple crown winner Secretariat amongst the countless others) just to mention a few. I think his chances are good.

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cuban chef de race — Tue, 08 Feb 2011 01:28:14 GMT

the immortalzenyatta is talking about the same dog with a different collar,dialed in and last year place horse ice box are from the same male and female line and ice box bottom line has belmont winner tabasco cat his dam was a grade two winner on grass at a mile and 3/8 by Kentucky derby winner alysheba and the dam of monster spend a buck a daughter of speak john right there in the third dam and pulpit was more talented then mineshaft at 3,similar breeding but storm cat and m.t.livermore as first and second broodmare sires,forge it.

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dave york — Mon, 07 Feb 2011 22:37:51 GMT

immortalZenyatta has it pretty well summarized.

nothing is more exciting in racing than a super talented thoroughbred running down the speed.

Dialed In is my pick and my preference.

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cuban chef de race — Mon, 07 Feb 2011 00:00:42 GMT

all those great champions that you mention immortal Kenyatta are not running in the 2011 derby , i know them all,dialed in is breed similar to last year derby place horse ice box also from zito,pulpit despite not running at 2 was more brilliant then mineshaft at 3 and to compare ice box dam was a grade two winner on grass at a mile and 3/8 eights her sire belmont winner tabasco cat,she also derby winner alysheba and close in the first 3 generations the dam of derby winner spend a buck.has dialed in more stamina then ice box in the real race?

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immortalZenyatta — Sun, 06 Feb 2011 04:43:53 GMT

Dialed in should be considered a MOST definite Derby threat should he be able to arrive there without injury and continued progress. His sire Mineshaft was 2003 Horse of the Year out of A.P.Indy, who was bred for the 1 1/4 mile distance and adds stamina to his pedigree, A.P.Indy won the 1992 Belmont not to mention he's out of Seattle Slew, winner of the 1977 Kentucky Derby adding even more stamina to his pedigree!Prospectors Delite, Mineshafts dam and a stakes winner herself is out of stakes winner Up The Flagpole, who is out of 1970 2 yr. old champion Hoist the Flag, descendant of the GREAT War Admiral! Dialed In's dam Miss Doolittle is out of stakes winner and 1992 champion filly Eliza who is out of a Bold Bidder mare. Bold Bidder sired Kentucky Derby winners Cannonade and Spectacular Bid. Eliza hails from the thouroughbred owner and breeder Allen Paulson, who established Brookside Farm and was a leading breeder for many years until his untimely death. Amongst his favorite stakes winners were Cigar, Ajina, Azeri, and his wife's dearest "Eliza". William S. Farish, one of the breeders of Dialed In, has bred more than 185 stakes winners, including 3 Horses of the Year, 6 Eclipse Award winners, 2 Preakness winners, and a Kentucky Derby Winner. Farish has developed Lane's End where the Immortal Zenyatta now stands, one of the world's top breeding, selling, and stallion operations. Mineshaft was also bred by Farish. I think La Penta did his homework. He knows this colts potential not to mention that having a trainer like Zito just adds to the HUGE list of LIKES. This colt is imbred to triple crown winner SECRETARIAT 4 x 4. Plenty of class, stamina, and WINNERS in this family tree! My Derby pick.

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cuban chef de race — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 22:37:00 GMT

remember the $5,000.000 bonus? well by winning the holly bull dialed in do not need to win the fountain of youth just the florida derby and i do expect him to ran well in florida derby,then will get a ton of money bet on him in the k.d and that will favor all the players who think like me,this is a talented horse but remember with no speed and m.t.livermore so close in his female family he will find the holly bull is not the derby the mother of all races.

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will — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 20:39:58 GMT

Who does Dialed In's slow breaks and come from behind style remind me of? His great-great grandsire, of course.

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SF know — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:25:07 GMT

Dialed In needs to run against better horses to get a class gauge on him.He has all the potential to be with the top three year olds with mild improvement in his speed fiqures.