Green Desert's Production Over Time

re: Green Desert's Production Over Time

hamad — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:46:04 GMT

i would like to covering my thoroughbred mares,what is the very good stallion line for my hosrse,let me know,hamad

re: Green Desert's Production Over Time

Ian Tapp — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:50:34 GMT

KG07,

Yeah, would be interesting to do similar stats on those stallions, although you couldn't get Racing Post ratings since most of their runners raced in North America. I'd guess Storm Cat and Kingmambo would look similar to Green Desert, and Dynaformer would actually be peaking later in his career, since he only recently became a commercial sire.

Like Sceptre alluded to, this is just a small piece of info meant to provoke discussion.

I think there's probably some physiologic aspects at play, but it also depends on when the sire peaks in popularity. Given the numbers, a stallion is more likely to sire good runners early in his career. Of course, this observation is helped by the fact that stallions that don't get good runners early won't get quantity or quality of mares later to help them sire good runners.

re: Green Desert's Production Over Time

sceptre — Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:26:35 GMT

The less perspective one has, the more inclined are they to jump to erroneous conclusions. Those Green Desert stats demonstrate but a tiny piece of the "big picture"-and same (as those above) stat analyses for all stallions would still be far from enough to answer the question (is there genetic consequence to stallion age?). As noted, the variables are many (and can, themselves, differ from stallion to stallion), and may be of enough weight to "explain" what would otherwise appear as physiologic consequence. So, Ian, I'd suggest you not emabark on KG07's implied request. This industry is already far too prone to quick/knee-jerk conclusions based on small pieces of information. As evidence, look no further than the rush to judgement on the Lasix ban issue.

re: Green Desert's Production Over Time

KG07 — Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:18:32 GMT

It would be really interesting to see the same analysis applied to other stallions who are or were breeding at a more advanced age--Dynaformer, Kingmambo, even Storm Cat come to mind. I wonder if there would be a similar result.

re: Green Desert's Production Over Time

sceptre — Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:04:27 GMT

Racingpost (or Timeform) ratings are certainly a good tool for such analysis. Too bad we have nothing similar in the U.S. to aid in meaningful evaluation. The other variables mentioned (and, perhaps, others) which may have contributed to his decline are relevant, but as the years have passed I've become more inclined to embrace the idea that there can be genetic consequence to stallion age (but can vary from one stallion the next).