So Just Who is Lonhro?

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Byron Rogers — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:34:25 GMT

Henry

The concept of the "large heart gene" has been widely refuted and discredited. As it appears in the X-Factor books, it is not based on science and did not undergo any peer review process.

performancegenetics.com/.../cardio-evaluation-almost-comes-full-circle

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Henry — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:41:45 GMT

I first doubted Lohnro as a sire because he was smallish but he has proven me wrong. Also you can also find him a biggish mare to compensate. He was a great racehorse and excellent 3 yr old but just couldnt get over the line in 2 or 3 goes at the cox plate. His dam line traces back through Never Bend following the right path to Blue Larkspur and the heart gene. I still worry about his size but id expect him to land a few stakes winners on turf over the mile atleast.

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Quailie — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 01:54:25 GMT

Looks like Lonnie's done it again as a sire-he just keeps stepping up to new levels, this time with his (soon to be) Champion son Pierro (x Miss Right Note), a close relation to Octagonal's Laverock. Talk about tenacious. You Americans may perhaps have heard of him, but just in case you haven't, Pierro is currently unbeaten from 5 starts (all stakes), including the Breeders Plate on debut (Oct' 2011-where his trainer Gai Waterhouse declared him the future $3.5 million Golden Slipper winner, which was justified when he won the great race on 7th of April 2012). He backed up 7 days later to take the Group 1 Sires Produce Stakes over 1400m (seven furlongs) in race record time-the record having stood since 1977. The horses he has left in his wake include previously-unbeatens Samaready (More Than Ready, won the G1 Blue Diamond) and Black Caviar's boom younger brother All Too Hard. It's seen as likely that Pierro should improve into his 3yo year and over increasing distance, just as his sire did.

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Jman — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 04:16:19 GMT

I've got a Defensive Play mare that might make a great match for him. Unfortunately he's out of my price range for 2012. Would entertain a discussion for someone interested in a lease.

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Ian Tapp — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:42:11 GMT

No prob. As far as KY Derby goes, Grindstone is the most recent example--6 starts, retired before the Preakness.

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Kathleen in Ky — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:06:18 GMT

Thanks Ian. I was not aware that Pour Moi had only run 5 times. I think of his career as having been longer than that. But you are correct. Thanks again.

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Ian Tapp — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:57:53 GMT

Kathleen:

This year's English Derby winner Pour Moi retired unsound from 5 starts.

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Kathleen in KY — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:35:21 GMT

Attn: Geoff Richardson

Which Derby winner are you talking about who retired unsound after 5 lifetime starts? None come to mind.

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Tez — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:30:49 GMT

You'll love lonhro, intelligent,wonderful temperament and plenty of scope to race on as 4/5/6 yr olds, but I dont think he'll come cheaply.

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sceptre — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:43:39 GMT

Thanks, Byron. Your comments are much appreciated-especially your observation that he prefers a taller, scopier mare.

Please consider using your connections to send up Not For Sale (before it's too late). I believe he did spend some N. Hemisphere time in Saudi Arabia. Very much to like about him (for us), including his top notch Swaps' influences.

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Byron Rogers — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:18:48 GMT

Sorry....late to the party here...

Sceptre....he is all turf, but that is just about all they race on in Australia. Importantly for American conditions he had a turn of foot and put himself into a race which I think you need here.

That is not the best photo of him. He has plenty of bone for his body. He is not small either. 16.1 hands, but breeders need to be warned, while he is a hulking beast, with plenty of muscle, don't send him a small mare. He actually does best with mares with a bit of size and scope to them.

He does get them sound. They get to the races and they generally have a lot of starts. The one limitation of them in some ways is that he was a 7 to 8f horse (that got 10 by pure class and pace of race) and he gets progeny that generally are the same. Hard to get one that goes past a mile and a quarter despite the fact that his own sire won a Derby over a mile and a half and his female line is full of horses that got a mile and a half. His brother Niello was more able to get 10f but that is genetics for you.

re: Not for Sale...had the opportunity to take a look at him in a trip to Argentina. What a nice horse! big strong, powerful beast. But that leads me to Southern Halo, a terrible bleeder who after being Champion sire of Argentina for a number of years came back up to America for a season or two. While he wasn't a commercial success, he left us the very solid stallion More Than Ready who has kept the Halo line alive (if such a thing as sirelines exist). If Lonhro does only a little more than that, would he not be considered a success?

Southbendfarm/Karen...in regards to the North American thoroughbred being too inbred, you are on the wrong page there. Genetically speaking the thoroughbred as a breed is in no danger of being too inbred, despite the closed gene pool. In fact there is an argument that it is not inbred enough!

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Alan Porter — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:40:51 GMT

Just taken a break for the pile of matings to have a look at this. I'm open-minded as to how he might do as a dirt sire - and remembering that neither of Street Cry's parents ran on dirt - but we should remember that there are a lot of mares in the U.S., who are turf bred (including a lot whose offspring will ship to Europe to race) and for me, Lonhro is a very useful addition as a quality, proven turf sire.

Cape Blanco in the next blog post up, isn't proven, but he's another that works as a welcome addition to the rather thin ranks of horses that you can breed a mare here for a European runner (given we've lost Kingmambo, Mr. Greeley, Theatrical, Gulch, etc.). Cape Blanco has some interesting things in his distaff pedigree too - his broodmare sire is a grandson of Secretariat out of the dam of Kris and Diesis - and his dam is an extended Narullah/Princequillo (Round Table cross), with Exclusive Native's family thrown in.

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Julie L. — Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:05:51 GMT

It amazes me that some people are so limited in their insights to breeding and pedigree. Rahy one of our great racehorses and sires was not only known for his turf runners but, lo and behold, he sired numerous dirt runners that were also champions. Another stallion that comes to mind is Northern Dancer whose early offspring were mainly raced in europe but then american breeders discovered that his runners were also great on the dirt. Some breeders need to, excuse the pun, but get off their high horse and realize that a great sire can produce great runners on both surfaces even if his racing preference was one particular surface. When we limit ourselves we create the situation we are now in, too much Mr. Prospector/Northern Dancer/Seattle Slew bloodlines and not enough outcrosses. Thank god for the breeders with insight who will stand a stallion like Giant's Causeway who shows that a stallion can be successful on all surfaces. I am excited to see the offspring of Einstein who will also throw the stamina that is greatly needed back in american horses. And with Lonhro here I am jumping for joy. Perhaps too many Quarterhorse breeders/trainers for whatever reason jumped into Thoroughbred breeding and decided, as they have done with the Appaloosa breed, to turn it into shorter distance horses good for that quick quarter mile. A Thoroughbred is a Thoroughbred, an Appaloosa an Appaloosa and a Quarterhorse a Quarterhorse. Lets keep it that way, please.

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Zabeel — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:15:53 GMT

A dynasty, Sir Tristram, Zabeel...... and possibaly to continue through Lonhro. Any doubters need only look back at this magnificent race record, LONHRO was truly one of the greatest.

American breeders will find it difficult to breed "outside the only world they know" considering they THINK that the world (not only racing) ends on that continent.

We know differently, and a small look into New Zealand breds (as unoffially Lonhro's pedigree is) do in USA will show.

The toughness and soundness of the Sir Tristram line will mix brilliantly with your speedy American lines, one must hope that the Darley mares presented to this horse will do nothing but improve his chances, and as CT points out they will get great support and chances on the track.

Those that are thinking about him should jump at the chance, in 3 or 4 years he will be out of the price range of most.

That "only on Turf" comment is un-educated as has been pointed out, thats all we have, and more to the point how many US sires prove they are better on one surface or another anyway??

This is a remarkable horse, if he had raced in USA you would all be clambering to breed to him as I can assure you he would have leftyou gaping in amazment at his performances.

He has proven that he can leave it as a sire, what more proof is required, apart from history.

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Criminal Type — Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:52:35 GMT

WOW, he really is something, isn't he ? Physically, to me anyway, he looks like Curlin (who I think will be the next greatest failure at stud) only much more attractive. What a beast, he exudes power. I'm with most of the other posters in the feeling that we need new blood. Lonhro looks like a big strong solid horse and if I could afford him I would breed to him. I imagine his fee will be somewhere in the area of 20K to 30K. You know Sheik Mohammad will be sending some top mares to him. Is it my imagination or is Darley buying a Offlee lot of their stallion's offspring at auction ? It seemed like most of the yearlings they bought at the recent Keeneland sale were Medaglia, Bernardini, the Street's (father and son) or Hard Spuns. If this practice continues to follow then we should expect Darley/Godolphin to own quite a lot of Lonhro offspring in a couple of years.

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Slew — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:15:10 GMT

In reading up on some stallions, I'm learning High Chaparral has been shuttling for years between Ireland and Australia, which is how So You Think came to be...so I'm guessing the effects of the shuttle may not be as adverse as I originally thought. Only time will tell, I guess.

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Matrice — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:31:28 GMT

I reckon that you will love the Lonhro stock. They are sound and the few that have started on our few all weather/sand tracks have done extremely well.

They are intelligent, even tempered and do well in a close stabling environment.

We in Australia have a "healthy" suspicion of shuttling stallions and tend to see through the marketing hype and so should you guys. I'll tell ya what though, this fella Lonhro, gets top quality stock with extra big hearts and in my opinion, just as some of the shuttle stallions have added a much needed infusion of new blood to our breeding stock, Lonhro could well be a very significant stallion for you guys.

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Cyd — Sun, 16 Oct 2011 03:46:30 GMT

thoroedge.wordpress.com/.../foes-of-lasix-are-cruel-to-horses-ridiculous-nonsense

Here is a lovely article on Lasix

This is not the only place I have read that it is bad for the bones.

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Handsandheels — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 02:16:40 GMT

Touché

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JerseyBoy — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:50:54 GMT

A salvo has been fired. Lonhro is being advertised on TV as

"The racehorse as nature intended". Just as I anticipated.

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sceptre — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:17:03 GMT

Ian, you're the best (re- your pick-up, and comment about the misspellings). I'm sure we can all spell Australia- my mistakes derive from a sticky keyboard, and failure to proof read.

Lastly, about Lonhro: I do hope that he succeeds. We need more elite stallions over here. But, we should not afford him more opportunity than is his due. I am not negative, or ultra-skeptical about the merits of all solely S. Hemisphere stallions. I would love to have Not For Sale available to us. Think he's the real deal, and would breed to him in a second.

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Ian Tapp — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:47:06 GMT

Handsandheels,

Yep, we Americans can be pretty stupid, but I must point out that you just misspelled Lonhro's name.

We're certainly looking forward to seeing the big horse.

Go USA.

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Handsandheels — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:35:50 GMT

I can't believe you people have trouble spelling Australia. Is that why you have the acronym USA for your country?

Lohnro was also doubted by Australian breeders initially, however he has proven many wrong over here and he's a good chance to do the same in The United States of America.

Wait until to you see him in the flesh, he's a black mercedes benz!

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Pedigree Ann — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:54:29 GMT

Southbendfarm, actually it was third and he was giving away weight to all except the winner of the race in 2009 (finished 18th), 1.5 kilos to the winner, 5 kilos to the second. The Melbourne Cup is a handicap.

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deb — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:35:58 GMT

Lovely horse, I think he will be a wonderful addition to the US horses. I am sure the ladies will love him. He is a good looking fellow. I like his bone. I would breed to him.