Turtle Bowl: The New French Stallion Star

re: Turtle Bowl: The New French Stallion Star

Alfonso of Spain — Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:06:23 GMT

Dyhim Diamond haven't been able to show his really high aptitude as a stallion. He was a sprinter himself, but unlike others, needed a bit of time to develop. His best timeform was achieved at four.

I know how it ended in Spain. When his first two-year-olds were finishing their first year at the track, there was no clue suggesting that Dyhim would become a good stallion. Only Turtle Bow seemed a bit talented. The mares he covered lacked of class and even Clara Bow was sent to him when she hadn't produced Turtle Bow (Turtle Island). With a small number of first crop products, that didn't show speed at two years, their owners wanted to hear offers for the horse.

Carlos Vazquez, then co-owner of Ulzama made a bid and was accepted. The french people sent the contract to him and he thought about it. After Turtle showed some hability he signed the contract.

After that, many of the first crop horses won and demostrated a good rating. In addition to Turtle Bowl, in those first crops, were Prince D'Orange, Banabby, Menestrol, Titricale,... They all had good timeform (after that bannaby was discovered as a true stayer)

I visit Dyhim several times, and he was a massive horse. Plenty of muscle and bone. I also saw many foals from him and they all shared good bone and strong hindquarters. The best of Dyhim was that he delivered sprinter-miler shaped stock, but nearly all could stay to 10f, so they benefited of a powerfull turn-on foot. Most of them, looked reallt nice. His only drawback was that his stock needed time and preffered soft grounds.

In Spain Dyhim has covered a lot of low class mares and from that he has deliver very good spanish horses and some who will succeed in France, as it is Abdel, a spanish star, who travelled to france last year when he was loosing his form and was fifth in a strong listed in a distance too short for him.

The ones that have followed Dyhim Diamond, as I have, are not surprised that Turtle Bowl is becomming a Successful stallion as we all think that Dyhim, with the mares of Galileo, could have competed against him.

Regards

re: Turtle Bowl: The New French Stallion Star

sceptre — Wed, 23 May 2012 17:18:55 GMT

Dear Dr. Zamzow,

Thanks for the uplifting remarks.

Congratulations on having such a nice mare, and on your mating which produced that talented filly. Your mare has a lot of Darby Dan in her, and I see that you have focused somewhat on biting back to Ribot, as well as a linebreed to the great Soaring. Coincidentally, I owned a Darby Dan bred Graustark mare from the same family-that took me years (constant pestering) to acquire privately from John Phillips...Not that you asked-and I'm very reluctant to offer breeding suggestions on blogs-, but I do have some ideas for both Masquerade Star and Hunter's Tiger Paw-assuming you'd prefer to remain relatively local. Should any fit your mares conformationally, you might consider taking a look at Ford Every Stream (in your state), and Spaniard and Tomahawk in Ontario. I could, perhaps, envision better matings from a pure pedigree perspective, i.e. Hail To Reason/*Turn-To (especially a Saint Ballado) up close for Hunter's Tiger Paw, but there's none to my liking up there. I'm fond of the three I mentioned (above) and feel that their pedigrees would also suit both of your mares. If I had to choose one, I'd take a shot with Spaniard-assuming his conformation suits-, as from observation and "back story" knowledge I'm fairly certain that he was highly talented, and his pedigree may suit best (of the three)...Best of luck with your future endeavors.

re: Turtle Bowl: The New French Stallion Star

joel zamzow — Wed, 23 May 2012 03:30:58 GMT

Sceptre,

I have really enjoyed your postings over the past few years. When you post on this site, I read and reread your comments so I can learn from your knowledge and vast experience. I have spent the last 25 plus years studying and reading as much as I can about thoroughbred breeding. I'm a small breeder in Minnesota. Two years ago, my mare Masquerade Star was named broodmare of the year in Minnesota, with the award based on the amount of her offspring's earnings. Her daughter, Hunter's Tiger Paw won four consecutive races including consecutive wins on Polytrack, dirt and turf.

After she tore her flexor tendon, my trainer told me that he projected her to be an E. P. Taylor level of horse.

Sceptre, I totally agree with your comments. It is the trainer that really knows the inside story about a particular horse's talent, more than anyone else.

re: Turtle Bowl: The New French Stallion Star

sceptre — Tue, 22 May 2012 19:55:13 GMT

Each time these seeming surprises occur and when pedigree doesn't suggest a reasonable answer/cause, I'm left wondering if the individual possessed far more ability than was apparent from its displayed race day performance. In the case of a Turtle Bowl, such pondering might also extend to his sire and grandsire. I've always yearned for the "back stories"- the real "truth" about so many- that only their trainers are privy, but most often the nature of the game prevents such disclosures. With regard to stallion prospects we do often receive more "details", but this is generally after the fact when much has to be taken with a grain of salt. Same could be said for broodmare prospects.

re: Turtle Bowl: The New French Stallion Star

mz — Mon, 21 May 2012 21:35:07 GMT

Always thought that Night Shift was under appreciated, as was Dyhim Diamond. I first started to notice the latter because of his name (yeah, always one of my Achilles Heels) and then when Turtle Bowl came on the scene. I am happy the line looks healthy.