Pedigrees in Practice -- Cherry One

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josegorospe — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:22:22 GMT

i have a masterclass filly.2 year old this jan. she'll be in training this coming april in the philippines.

re: Pedigrees in Practice -- Cherry One

Alan Porter 1 — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:45:19 GMT

Hi Jose, how are you? There have been at least 43 stakes winners with Nijinsky II and The Minstrel combined in the first four generations, including the Aga Khan's great filly Zarkava. The closest is a stakes winner by Royal Academy out of a mare by The Minstrel, so has the pair 2 x 2.

I would think Masterclass is well worth a shot with Conquistarose. Xaar, from the same family as Masterclass, has a graded winner with The Minstrel and Nijinsky II combined.

re: Pedigrees in Practice -- Cherry One

jose y. quiros — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:58:30 GMT

greetings from the philippines.it's been awhile,alan.since 1994,i've stood conquistarose(conquistador cielo x de la rose by nijinsky ll). i was part of the syndicate that brought masterclass to the philippines three years ago. how well have nijinsky ll and the minstrel combined in the pedigrees of stakes winners? there has been one philippine stakes winner bred on the conquistarose/masterclass cross. will the reverse cross also work? best regards.

re: Pedigrees in Practice -- Cherry One

Alan Porter — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:02:36 GMT

Thanks for the variety of interesting comments on this one. Catherine J: there have been good brothers and sisters throughout the history of the breed. La Troienne, maybe the most important mare ever brought to the U.S. had St. Simon and his sister Angelica, and Ormonde and his sister Ornament (St. Simon and Ormonde were the best English runners of the 19th century). Sex Appeal (dam of El Gran Senor and Try My Best) has a double of La Troienne through the three-parts-sister and brother, Busanda and Mr. Busher.

There are a lot of other good brothers that appear together frequently in pedigrees, including Bull Dog and Sir Gallahad III (who have a sister, Marguerite de Valois, in the female line of Fappiano and others); Sickle and Pharamond II (in the male lines of Native Dancer and Tom Fool); Fairway and Pharos; and more recently Viceregal and Vice Regent, who have worked quite well, despite limited opportunities.

re: Pedigrees in Practice -- Cherry One

GAWolfe — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:31:39 GMT

I'm actually sad to see Sir Cherokee leave. I have a Silver Ghost mare in foal to him and was thinking of breeding back. I based my breeding on the success of the Cherokee Run to Silver Ghost cross.

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Alphonso Bowe — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:02:42 GMT

This is the family of the mare Best In Show, described noted by the leading pedigree analyst Alan Porter of the TDN, "as one of the most significant tap root mares of the past 50 years'. Northern Guest is the only stallion in South Africa to secure six consecutive Broodmare Sire titles. His blood as a broodmare sire is taken very seriously by the leading breeders.

Rags to Riches by A.P Indy, winner of the Belmont Stakes, third leg of America’s Triple Crown, made history for the fact she was the first filly in 102 years is from this same family.

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Lauren — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:10:02 GMT

The success of Cherry One is hardly surprising. His exquisite inbreeding pattern to the full brothers Try My Best and El Gran Senor through the truly magnificent producer, Sex Appeal, is called the Rasmussen Factor.

The RF is actually the "nick" that is so impressive here.

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danziggirl — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:19:15 GMT

Don't forget El Gran Senor lost the English Derby to another Northern Dancer - Secreto! I love watching Nijinsky win his Derby too.

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Catherine J — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:25:00 GMT

I love studying pedigrees, and am particularly fascinated by inbreeding to prominent females, and inbreeding to full sibs in pedigrees. I am aware of His Majesty/Graustark and of Cosmah/Natalma. Are there others that you can think of that have combined successfully? Thanks so much for sharing your expertise on such an interesting subject.

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Abbie Knowles — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:54:32 GMT

A very interesting article.

I remember Masterclass when he was racing! As i adored The Minstrel i loved him too! The Philippines are honoured to have him and Sir Cherokee! I loved El Gran Senor (so unlucky not to win the Epsom Derby - pilot error!) and Try My Best as well although not as much as The Minstrel!

God Bless

Best wishes

Abbie