Stellar Rain: Devon Lane's Heir Apparent?

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Judy Baugh — Wed, 07 Aug 2013 19:55:10 GMT

Hal, you're spot on in regard to Shiloh's traditional topline pedigree. The 19th century manuscript source for it most likely misinterprets an earlier written or narrative version but the earliest QH chroniclers accepted the ms. uncritically, as have most since except for Mackay-Smith. However, it's been several decades since the vast majority of working Quarters descended in tail male from Shiloh, and even then his topline dominance was wholly dependent upon the AQHA's "correction" of a pedigree as recorded 50 years previously in a breeder's personal ledger and in the American Stud Book. The vast majority of contemporary working Quarters trace to Eclipse (1764) via Three Bars, most often through Doc Bar or Sugar Bars. The largest minority trace to same via Joe Blair (1911), the most recent registered TB in the topline of the late great Mr. San Peppy.

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Wonderful article on Stellar Rain. Thanks!

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Hal Dane. — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:58:58 GMT

Alan.. the vast, vast, majority of "working" Quarter Horses, descend from the male line of Matchem, through his grandson, the beautifully bred TICKLE TOBY, (dam by Herod out of the sister to Eclipse) who was imported to Virginia, from his first crop he sired SIR SOLOMON (1805) who was the sire of Mr Thomas' BIG SOLOMON (1819) out of the mare Trumpetta II (1810) by Hickory... this horse is not in the American Studbook, although his dam is.. she is the ancestress of Virgil, Meridian, Henry of Navarre, Kingmambo among others.. Sir Solomon was owned by Mr Bela Badger his son Big Solomon was said to have been sent to Warren County in North Carolina, but he left a son VAN TROMP (1835) in Tennessee who sired a colt there in 1844 named SHILOH, head of the main foundation line of Quarter Horses.

Ignore the pedigree given for Shiloh on the Pedigreequery database, it's just nonsense..

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paula — Thu, 25 Jul 2013 18:11:19 GMT

I like this

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Alan Porter — Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:46:01 GMT

Hal,

I do have a cutting Quarter Horse here, with a thoroughbred sire line.

He's actually from the Hermit male line, which through Quarter Horses has outlasted it's thoroughbred strip. He's by a grandson of the racing Quarter Horse Skychief Bar (by Three Bars). He's also got Stella Moore, famous for her match with the thoroughbred Olympia.

We've also got a Tennessee Walker (tail-male to Flying Childers), and a couple of off-track thoroughbred riding horse. One of the thoroughbreds is by Notebook (Bold Ruler line to Eclipse/Darley Arabian), but the other is by Mister Jolie (Matchem/Godolphin Arab), so ironically, even though he's a thoroughbred, the Quarter Horse and Tennessee Walker are more closely related in Y-chromosome terms to the other thoroughbred - all going back to the Darley Arabian) than he is.

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goodwit — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:04:15 GMT

Wendy is one of the good people in the horse industry. Glad to see her recognized.

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denniscraig2 — Sun, 21 Jul 2013 19:29:35 GMT

I wish someone at Darley could tell me and the rest of the world where in Russia is Mastery a three time Group 1 winner.

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Pedigree Ann — Sun, 21 Jul 2013 14:36:43 GMT

Byron -

Opinions are made to be refuted by facts. Let me know if anything turns up in the future, if you please. The greying gene being dominant, I may just be seeing unconnected dominance arising together.

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Hal Dane — Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:33:09 GMT

ANN... there are two types of Quarter Horse.. Ranch/Rodeo/Pleasure, etc.. descending from foundation stock,and the Racing Quarter Horse, the source of which is quite modern, viz :- through My Texas Dandy (1928) Brush Mount (1938) Gold Heels (1940) Three Bars (1940) Leo (1940) Piggin String (1942) Top Deck (1945) Grey Sovereign (1948)

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Byron Rogers — Sun, 21 Jul 2013 04:05:09 GMT

Ann,

Interesting observation. The mutation that causes grayness is located in a gene named STX17 on Chromosome 25. Its located at 6,531,290-6,582,662bp. If there was an associated phenotypical characteristics that were in linkage with the mutation they would most likely be associated within 400,000bp of the mutation. Of the known genes within that space there doesn't seem to be any that are associated with size or phenotypic characteristics. This of course doesn't preclude it being a gene that is not annotated yet.

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Ian Tapp — Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:34:16 GMT

On types of mares that might fit, Wendy said she's sending Stellar Rain "pretty scopey" mares and mentioned that it would be nice to have a good cross for Desert God mares (plenty of them in New Mexico), who Wendy described as typically big and rangy, sometimes raw-boned.

She also called Stellar Rain "incredibly correct in front for a Storm Cat."

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Pedigree Ann — Sat, 20 Jul 2013 14:59:58 GMT

I have long been of the opinion that, unlike other some other color-affecting genes, the greying gene sits on a chromosome that determines more than a few phenotypical characteristics. The 3/4 brothers Devon Lane and Stellar Rain give me another example for my mental catalogue.

And yes, they both look like the Quarter-mile sort of the TB that branched off from the classic TB out west in the 19th century and became the basis of the modern Quarter Horse racer.

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Lmaris — Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:54:30 GMT

The similarity between these two stallions is striking. Best of luck to Stellar Rain in his new career. Can't wait to see his babies.

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JerseyTom — Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:17:57 GMT

An interesting look at how proper placement can benefit a stallion. No pretense here.

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TNL Farm Inc. — Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:24:21 GMT

As Devon Lane did, Stellar Rain and his babies will touch everyone's heart on the farm and the track. Stellar Rain is a fantastic horse, he is going to be an awesome sire following in Devon's footsteps.