A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

jim of G — Sat, 14 Sep 2013 20:17:40 GMT

It's just "common sense" that Royal Delta should be bred to Distorted Humor. The odds are against any breeding producing something worthy of Royal Delta but far more favorable with Distorted Humor than any other Stallion in the Western Hemisphere. Distorted Humor at this point is on a level by himself. If the mare goes East she should go to Galileo, period.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Stephie Clare — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:34:40 GMT

Invasor.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Southbendfarm — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:47:29 GMT

Ian......I quoted 1 1/2 miles because our 3 year olds seem to have a problem getting that distance. I meant it in respect to the Triple Crown and just because you get 1 1/4 miles does not guarantee 1 1/2 miles. I agree with you in that D.H.s two year olds win early and often, but they don't win the distance races that make up our Triple Crown. I gave you Funny Cide and Drosslemeyer, but that does not make D.H. a sire of stamina. Mr Prospector has a Derby and Belmont winner....ONE of each. Yet he is not a source of stamina.

As for inferior sires taking longer to win....maybe. A.P.Indy's offspring are not noted for winning the 5 and 6 furlong 2 year old races. But they do win once the distance gets up to a mile and beyond. That's where Indy's strength as a sire is. D.H.'s strength lessens the farther they go. Yes....he has offspring who can get 2 turns, but 1 1/16th miles is two turns (Belmont excluded).

I am interested in breeding a classic horse, but D.H. will only get me (possibly) up to the 9 and 10 furlong marker, A.P.Indy, Giants Causeway, Street Cry, etc...get me past the 9 and 10 furlongs to the 12 needed to win the Belmont. IF you don't breed to win past 10 furlongs, you won't win past 10 furlongs. D.H.'s physical makeup also comes into play as he is a short back, well muscled horse. Not the lean type that sires distance, stamina oriented horses. D.H. has been at stud long enough for the breeders to know, he isn't going to give you a horse that consistently wins at 10 furlongs in top company. Winning 2 times at 1 1/4 miles after running in 8 races at that distance is not good enough to weigh the statistics in D.H.'s favor.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

SuperSaintsFan — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:43:59 GMT

What about mating her to Kitten's Joy. Top sire + awesome mare = Royal Kitten!

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Anglokraut — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 06:01:44 GMT

Real Quiet broke his neck and was euthanized a few years ago.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Denise — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 02:09:13 GMT

Uncle Mo A++ rating

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

michael clifton — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 01:07:43 GMT

giant's causeway is the choice for royal delta

he's one of the best sires in the world and of all time

putting these to together you get as good a pedigree as you can get

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Ian Tapp — Mon, 09 Sep 2013 21:20:46 GMT

Southbendfarm,

Who said anything about 1 1/2 miles?

If you had Royal Delta and were interested in breeding a horse for the U.S. classic distance of 10 furlongs, then Distorted Humor is your sire.

To pick on one of your stats, I'd submit that Distorted Humor's 5.79f AWD for his 2yo's is more indicative of the fact that they are precocious and classy enough to win early in their careers. An inferior sire's progeny take longer to win, if at all, and there are more maiden routes available to older horses.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Southbendfarm — Mon, 09 Sep 2013 17:24:41 GMT

Ian.....The horses you listed were proven at 10 Furlongs. Drosslemeyer was probably the best with Flower Alley right there also. But out of almost 1000+ foals, you named 6, and probably the 6 most popular. To be truely noted for siring 10 furlong horses, they offspring have to win more than once or twice. D.H. is not noted for siring stamina, and he is bred to distance mares. His average winning distance is 7.16 furlongs for lifetime, 7.33 for this year, 5.79 for his two year olds and 6.51 for 2 year olds lifetime. Drosselmeyer and Boisterous are 2 of his top earning horses. Remove those two, and his number drop. This info comes from Equineline as of 9/09/2013. Compare him to A.P.Indy, and the distance variations are noticeable. D.H. is not looked upon as putting stamina into a pedigree like A.P.Indy is. The number bear this out. Don't get me wrong....I think D.H. is a fabulous stallion, but breeding him to Royal Delta will not help the foal get 1 1/2 miles. I am not even sure Royal Delta can get 1 1/2 miles. Sending her to Animal Kingdom or Galileo will probably yield a better distance horse than Distorted Humor.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Obmar — Mon, 09 Sep 2013 15:09:39 GMT

It might also be true that being a great race mare and being a great broodmare result from different qualities of aptitudes in a mare.

Great broodmares are those who produce many superior runners. Maybe what makes a great broodmare, in some cases, are those who allow the stallions to dominate the gene pool.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

The Bid — Mon, 09 Sep 2013 14:35:43 GMT

Smart Strike?????

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

The Bid — Mon, 09 Sep 2013 14:30:56 GMT

Why not CURLIN????

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Pasadena — Mon, 09 Sep 2013 14:27:38 GMT

Early speed - I tried to find a stud of the same dam line as Royal Delta and had trouble finding one. The only one I could find who was a good runner himself, was Del Mar Show. But in 6 years he has only produced 16 foals so he has issues. Can anyone else know of one?

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Pasadena — Mon, 09 Sep 2013 14:22:20 GMT

How 'about Einstein?

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Joan — Mon, 09 Sep 2013 13:39:26 GMT

What say Royal Humor.

Best to The Best, Galileo, but Colonel John is pretty darn good.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Early Speed — Mon, 09 Sep 2013 02:44:29 GMT

Maybe go by this old-time breeding tip: Give a stallion back the best of his dam. With that, a stallion with a repeat of Royal Delta's dam line might be a consideration. I would like to see Seattle Slew and Buckpasser somewhere in the candidate stallion's dam's pedigree.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Ian Tapp — Sun, 08 Sep 2013 22:08:44 GMT

Haha. Good one, John.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

John from Baltimore — Sun, 08 Sep 2013 21:41:00 GMT

I'm thinkin Mr Besilu. It would be interesting to see what you get when you breed 12.7 million dollars of your own money in horse flesh together.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

british — Sun, 08 Sep 2013 18:43:45 GMT

Would love to see her join the quality mares in Frankel's book but maybe in a few years. A Quality Road foal from her would be nice.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Pedigree Ann — Sun, 08 Sep 2013 15:36:14 GMT

A stud is a farm on which horses are bred, by definition. Any other uses are colloquial.

Honestly, the breeders of this family have optimized Royal Delta family in her - Proud Delta's best foals were by Lyphard, Lyphard's Delta's best foals were by A. P. Indy (or his son Bernardini), and the best foal of the SW sister of Delta Princess was by Kingmambo (Mr. P over No. Dancer, like Empire Maker). You can't just say "Well, the half-sister had a great runner by X, so send her to him" because it's already in there.

So reinforcement is in order. Playing around with the crosses mentioned, I like Colonel John - outcross to 4 generations, but In Reality, Seattle Slew, and Lyphard reinforced behind in the fifth. Is Real Quiet still available? I know he went to PA; he reinforces Fappiano and In Reality nicely.

Oh, and Bastonera II was robbed of her championship - she beat Proud Delta fair and square in the Ladies H, the BC Distaff equivalent of its day. Best in the East met the best in the West and the West won, but the East got the statue.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

knowledgeable breeder — Sun, 08 Sep 2013 14:20:41 GMT

Uhhh... "stud career" means breeding career for male or female animals. Look it up.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Sainbury — Sun, 08 Sep 2013 13:01:43 GMT

Uhhh... she won't begin her "stud" career because she will be a broodmare.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

harry watnik — Sun, 08 Sep 2013 09:44:00 GMT

A mating I'd like to see for "delta" would be to 2012 Belmont Stakes winner Union Rags- best of luck when she goes to be mated- h

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Travis — Sun, 08 Sep 2013 07:54:05 GMT

Why not Afleet Alex! Just a thought.

re: A Date for Delta: Mating Royal Delta

Bethany L. — Sun, 08 Sep 2013 02:07:05 GMT

Mike in Boise- lol!!! I love it! What about Royally Distorted?

Sounds like they may be sending her to Europe. If that's the case, I think she should go to Galileo first since he is a proven stallion and hypothetically nicks well. That way they would be able to see how Frankel stamps his weanlings when they're born. If they decide they like what they see, then they can breed to him the following year. Personally, I'm a huge Giant's Causeway fan, so I would love to see a Royal Giant or a Royal Cause gracing the track!