German Bloodlines Dominate in Europe

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German bloodlines — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:07:09 GMT

German bloodlines stood for stamina. But now,everyone wants speed and early horses.No interst in racing juveniles and Sprint???? Where did you hear that,Dianne???? good stamina and long distance sires get sold, since they dont get any mares. I have a Spectacular Bid mare, when I sold the first Off- spring at a Breeze-up auction, no one knew ,who Spectacular Bid was.Rather sad! German racing is going downhill. Monsun is the only Top stallion and he has his price, but not for the average breeder.It is a challenge to work with so little

P.Neumueller

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bernie — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:19:47 GMT

We have Raffies Majesty in NY. His broodmare sire is Surumu . Unfortunately Running Stag was sold to South Korea. His broodmare sire is Orsini.

Editor's note: Bernie, thanks for giving me the opportunity to link to a previous Five-Cross Files post about Raffie's Majesty!

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Alfonso — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:47:46 GMT

I wrote in this blog about Stacelita in April before the Diane in "European Action: International Influences in French Winners". Apart from Stacelita, there is another fascinating Monsun filly called Kalla who has won her two races, the last of them a listed race in France. She will probably be the biggest threaten for Stacelita in Vermelle.

Among the males, there is a very green one called Aizavoski that in his last race, did a strange movement in the curve, loosing most of his victory options. Keep an eye on him.

Regards

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Zrisky — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:12:20 GMT

Robert - I completely disagree with you and the conventional thinking of 'the crowd' about your comment "Outcrossing will have to be done at some point or American breeders will run out of genetic material..." There is ZERO evidence that thoroughbreds are too inbred. For centuries there is around 50 percent common ancestry in pedigrees like today. Munson traces back to the fragile Synford line. Munson's offspring are by in large gallop horses that make one run. Bringing his offspring to complete against the fastest horses in the world on the dirt would likely be disastrous.

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CJ — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:59:34 GMT

Hooray for German soundness and stamina. Speaking of soundness and stamina, I enjoyed the Sadler's Wells / Mill Reef article earlier this month and would love to see an article that might speculate on the breeding future of Yeats. Is it true he's to go to the National Stud to sire hurdlers? Because it seems that both Europe and America's flat-racers could use more of what he's got...

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Carlos in Cali. — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:58:41 GMT

Robert:-- fortunately we live here in the US where Dirt racing(& that awful Synthetic crap)is the preferred surface to race on. Your wishful thinking will simply not be conducive to our "type" of operations. It will/does in Europe where Grass surfaces rule though. The best concept of gaining a somewhat Outcross is an established N.American Sire w/an S.American mare,ala I Want Revenge's excellent bloodlines.

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Dianne — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:21:30 GMT

The other article about German breeding on this Bloodhorse page stresses a couple of things that American breeders should take note of: 1) no interest in racing juveniles or in sprints and 2) males that race with medication are barred from breeding on. It's like the German practice of keuring for the Warmbloods. The horse has to pass strict criteria including movement, temperament and conformation in order to be accepted into the rolls for approved breeding. Warmblood stallions usually don't start breeding until they've thoroughly proven themselves and they may be 10 years old before they begin. Thoroughbreds that are injured start at 3! Unsoundness in thoroughbreds is bred on by commercial breeders who don't have any concept of what they should be doing for the breed.

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ROBERT — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:09:28 GMT

Excellent article. I have hoped for the longest time that one or more of our top farms would go and get 3 or 4 German bred stallions and import them to Kentucky and cross with our broodmare population. The stallion cannot have any Northern Dancer or Mr. Prospector blood AT ALL!! Outcrossing will have to be done at some point or American breeders will run out of genetic material to use to breed horses that can run more that 10 times before being retired to sire/foal the next generation of unsound horses who can now only run 8 times before retirement, and on and on it goes. I would like to Cross a stout German stallion with some South American mares and then cross those offspring on our broodmare population. Talk about an explosion of genetic material!