Your Turn: Time to Suggest a Mating for Rachel Closes FRIDAY!

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Ragsy — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:09:51 GMT

Curlin

Giants Causeway

AP Indy

Dynaformer

King Mambo

Really any horse, in any order...

re: Your Turn: Time to Suggest a Mating for Rachel Closes FRIDAY!

Racingfan — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:21:59 GMT

I like Any Given Saturday for Rachel. They get an excellent True Nicks rating. Although I am not sure she has distance limitations as some have speculated, his pedigree has plenty of winners at 10 furlongs and more. Even though he did not win past 9 furlongs, there were possible reasons for his losses in those attempts. I also really like the double crosses of Native Dancer and Northern Dancer! Even though some would disagree, I have seen a HUGE number of stakes winners with that breeding! Go Native Dancer!

re: Your Turn: Time to Suggest a Mating for Rachel Closes FRIDAY!

anna winnett — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:16:53 GMT

i know of one stallion that noone has even thought of that is Harlan's Holiday which he is a top sire because 1 in every 10 starters he has is a stakes winner and 1 in every 5 runners is stakes placed including the recent Three Day Rush who got blinkers and won the NATC Furity stakes at monmouth park a few days ago. plus his runners race and win on dirt, turf and polytracks despite the fact that he was a strict dirt horse and Harlan's holiday is the only sire in North America that has a 2yr old filly who has beaten the boys already in the hollywood Prevue stakes

Your Turn: Time To Vote On Your Selections For Rachel Alexandra's First Mate

TrueNicks — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:03:18 GMT

A proven stallion like A. P. Indy, Dynaformer, or Giant's Causeway? Or a young gun like Curlin or Bernardini? Who would you choose for Rachel Alexandra?

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HorseFirst — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:29:26 GMT

"A proven stallion like A. P. Indy, Dynaformer, or Giant's Causeway? Or a young gun like Curlin or Bernardini? Who would you choose for Rachel Alexandra?"

Do you mean, which of these five?

Being realistic, as I've stated before, I prefer Birdstone. You really can't ignore the cross, both top and bottom, of Silent Screen and Caps and Bells.

Of these five, no to Curlin and although I like Dynaformer, he's a huge horse and don't need bigger.

I'd pick A.P. Indy, if it's just a choice between the five.

Your Turn: Time To Vote On Your Selections For Rachel Alexandra's First Mate

TrueNicks — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:46:14 GMT

A proven stallion like A. P. Indy, Dynaformer, or Giant's Causeway? Or a young gun like Curlin or Bernardini? Who would you choose for Rachel Alexandra?

re: Your Turn: Time to Suggest a Mating for Rachel Closes FRIDAY!

HorseFirst — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:34:52 GMT

I couldn't find this guy when I first wrote. Heck, I don't even know if he's still alive and further, he's in Great Britain.

But my choice for RA would be:

Olympic Times

www.yorkshirefirst.co.uk/.../horses.html

MOW on top through Relic this time, although still the War Relic line and a mare line that goes to MOW;s brother with a lot more MOW/Fair Play thrown in.

This would be my pick for bringing back a Matchem line stallion.

But hey, this guy, although he raced, is more known for sport horses now. Then again, the MOW/Fair Play line produced it's share of outstanding sport horses too.

This is to concentrate and bring back the Matchem line and has little to do with racing reality, I know!

re: Your Turn: Time to Suggest a Mating for Rachel Closes FRIDAY!

HorseFirst — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:51:06 GMT

OK, this is too late but its for fun anyway?

Not that this would ever happen...

I do not like Curlin for RA. No matter the idea of champion to champion, every description I read of RA says she's a big filly and that Curlin is a bull of a horse. NO, NO, NO! Let's not put bulk on top of already big horses.

Birdstone-

I get no rating for this but Birdstone would have to add some distance to RA's pedigree. (I'm one of the one's that think she's a wee bit distance limited)

What is very interesting about the cross is that you get Silent Screen top and bottom (Champion two-year old of 1969) and also the mare Caps and Bells who seems to have been no slouch as a broodmare. Maybe this wouldn't be the best racing pedigree but I think the best chance for producing a sire.

To reverse myself on distance needs, I like Hat Trick although that shouldn't get you much but maybe a brilliant sprinter. Rates a D. However, Hat Trick does bring in, if you look enough, a fair amount of the Man O' War/Fair Play lines that are in RA's pedigree. RA's dam line includes the interesting mare Ellen's best, by War Relic, out of a dam line back to full sister of War Relic, Speed Boat. Tricky Code, dam of Hat Trick, brings in the same lines through Speed Boat and Anchor's Away, full sisters to War Relic. Hat Trick also has the less seen MOW, Free France and Peace Chance who goes back to Fair Play. More in his background (Flaming Swords, Stymie had MOW top and bottom, Battlefield, Mad Hatter ((Fair Play)), Friar Rock ((Rock Sand over Fair Gold, dam of Fair Play))) but the only thing I don't like is that those genes don't seem to produce stayers any more. At least, not this far away.

On the theme of crossing RA on Man O' War/Fair Play/Matchem line stallions, Request for Parole (Now in Argentina) does it a bit; Bright Launch, which gets an A++ rating, carries the line in spades through Relaunch with War Admiral in his dam line (War Tide) plus another dose in the dam line of Fair Play through Etoile Filante; Mystic Replica, not a known stallion for racing but for sport, is sire line MOW through Relic this time with a dam line that includes Hard Tack on the top and dam line to Day Play by Mere Play by Fair Play.

Valid Expectations is another MOW line stallion that rates A++ on true nicks.

My heart says pick up as much of that MOW/Fair Play in the background as you can with the idea of producing a Matchem-line stallion. (OK, Hat Trick would not do that, sire-line wise)

Realistically, I think Birdstone is the most interesting cross with potential not just as a race horse, but to produce a very good sire or dam.

re: Your Turn: Time to Suggest a Mating for Rachel Closes FRIDAY!

Alfonso — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:08:26 GMT

Dalakhani

For the one that loved Pocahontas, Sulamani (though is an unproven sire yet)

Monsun

Kingmambo

Unusual Heat

re: Your Turn: Time to Suggest a Mating for Rachel Closes FRIDAY!

DOBLESE — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:14:52 GMT

Bernardini

A.P. Indy

Street Cry

Unbridled's Song

re: Your Turn: Time to Suggest a Mating for Rachel Closes FRIDAY!

steve s — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:19:56 GMT

NO ONE MENTIONED UNBRIDLED SONG

re: Your Turn: Time to Suggest a Mating for Rachel Closes FRIDAY!

mdfanofracing — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:46:52 GMT

Peggy,

Winning the Triple Crown, means winning the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness Stakes and the Belmont Stakes. ALL THREE OF THEM. Not just one of them. MIne that Bird won one, and Summer Bird won one. They would be considered CLASSIC or triple crown event winners, not triple crown winners like Secretariat.

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mdfanofracing — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:42:07 GMT

My bad, I was thinking of recently pensioned Storm Cat who is, I think 25 or so.

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MARILYN — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:36:13 GMT

STEPHEN GOT EVEN WOULD BE A GREAT COMBO

re: Your Turn: Time to Suggest a Mating for Rachel Closes FRIDAY!

sremel9 — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:48:36 GMT

I would have to say that I would send her to Distorted Humor and Giants Causway. Then I would send her to Galileo or Sea the Stars when he retires. Hard Spun is also a good choice as well as Elusive Quality though I’d go with Raven’s Pass over Elusive Quality because he is a new upcoming sire who will have only a few crops out by the time she would be ready for him. Why not have some fun and breed her to a steeplechaser, more stamina and maybe a tougher boned and minded foal.

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Girlyrox — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:13:51 GMT

Stephen Got Even. Just look at I Want Revenge if you have any questions! Stephen’s produced a fabulously precocious 2 year-old in Stevie Wonderboy and one of the most outstanding 3 year-old colts to come along in awhile: I Want Revenge. Stephen's just getting warmed-up. A.P. Indy is his sire plus he brings to the table the legendary Blushing Groom line thru his dam, Immerse. Although Rahy would have been the more obvious choice when thinking about Blushing Groom, he’s been recently pensioned. Please take a peek at Immerse’s sire Cox’s Ridge – his racing record and his black-tie family. We’re talking about Best Turn (out of a Swaps mare and sire of Davona Dale), Turn-To and Royal Charger. Give Stephen and Rachel a date with destiny.

re: Your Turn: Time to Suggest a Mating for Rachel Closes FRIDAY!

Backside Sweetie — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:41:40 GMT

I would pick Rock HARD Ten or SMART Strike or Big Brown

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Peggy_03037 — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:27:55 GMT

Yes, Birdstone HAS produced two Triple Crown winners-Mine That Bird in the Kentucky Derby and Summer in the Belmont.

My choice for Rachel would be Birdstone, then Smarty Jones.

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Lmaris — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:01:49 GMT

Kingmabo

Smart Strike

Street Cry

Rock Hard Ten

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Native Dancer — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:41:59 GMT

When it comes to "unproven" stallions I would like to mate RA with Plesantly Perfect. The son of Pleasant Colony and grandson of Affirmed defeated her father in the two richest races (BC Classic and Dubai World Cup) at 2000 m. He would provide some stamina to the astonishing speed of Rachel. On the easiest choice of proven stallions, I would go for A P Indy, Street Cry, Distorted Humor, Tiznow or Giant's Causeaway...

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Dcat — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:37:35 GMT

I would like to see her with Elusive Quality or son Smarty Jones. I think together, they would have some outstanding babies !

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CarolinaJude — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:26:02 GMT

I agree that it all depends on if Rachel is going to race at four. If NOT then I say:

AP Indy

Dynaformer

Smart Strike

If SO then you probably have to remove AP Indy and Dynaformer because of their ages, move Smart Strike up and add Rock Hard Ten and maybe Smarty Jones. I agree with the earlier post about the "personality" that a RA/SJ offspring would possess!

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tweetypie — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:17:40 GMT

Langfur look what he has done already.

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Jacque — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:53:26 GMT

I will have to say Elusive Quality. Think, Smarty Jones, Ravens Pass, Quality Road! Quality Road just defeated a track record, right after a recovery. C:

I have to so no with Dynaformer; he can throw some all-turf babies and she hasn't ran on turf.

Also, it would be good to breed her with a distance stallion.

re: Your Turn: Time to Suggest a Mating for Rachel Closes FRIDAY!

David Cowl — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:14:29 GMT

My one and only pick is ...

Distorted Humor.

This mating has a True Nicks Rating of A++ and a variant of 148.76.

Let's get serious - do some analysis and use the system.

Cheers.