Closing out the summer meets

re: Closing out the summer meets

lunar spook — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:03:27 GMT

Whos the worlds wealtiest person ? bill gates ? think again , its KY VET ! just ask him !

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KY VET — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 01:29:52 GMT

People....are you paying attn? To be a professional handicapper, you must be able to not only pick the horse that will run good, but a horse that will run bad....Article in drf said blueskiesnrainbow was the easy choice in super derby...i wrote my comment that he was a poor bet, it was an great race to make money...i wont even say how much i made...not important....you wouldnt believe me......then i picked 2 random races..fe-race 2..it lost.......then mountaineer showed again that the favorite was poor bet....i gave you a sweet 5/2 winner and fav ran out of money...unreal 28 dollar exacta was unreal.....look....the point of the posts.were look for bad favs.....keep pretending, or try to learn something. Your choice!

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JayJay — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 21:55:48 GMT

KY VET : Why do you think they come here for ? Everytime you try and I mean TRY to look like you know anything, well... you don't. lol. Case in point, Fort Erie race 2... you picked 4 out of 6 horses and one was scratched... and in the end, you still picked the loser. Yep, you're a pro alright. You're no better than someone who just started betting the game lol.

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KY VET — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 17:51:24 GMT

You can think it.....

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LAZMANICK — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 04:42:55 GMT

They donate all their winning to rocket science.

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JayJay — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 03:51:44 GMT

LOL Footlick.

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Footlick — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 03:15:40 GMT

KY VET- you can't possibly think that Euros come to the BC for the prestige of it. They come for the money.

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Footlick — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 03:05:25 GMT

Keelerman- yes. Daddy Long Legs did his job. Just too short for SNA anymore, but he finished well. It played better into Snow Fairy's hand than Nathaniel's. But taking all into consideration, the best horse won. Happy for her, her connections and Frankie! As far as time, I don't pay too much attention to it in Europe. It is nice to get in the record books but there is so much more to European racing than time. If time really mattered, then Danedream would be the greatest Arc winner ever. And we know that isn't true. But it was a great run by her.

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KY VET — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 02:14:59 GMT

keelerman....hate to break it to you,,,,,money would change nothing. they are not running for money......who told you they were?

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LAZMANICK — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 02:14:03 GMT

Keelerman

I think that the answer for possibly creating or freeing up more money lies within one of the fundamental arguments that many make when comparing those great Euro mares to those in N/A ones, and that is the elimination of some of the filly races and allow and/or encourage the fillies to race against colts. I don’t think we need a Juvenile Filly Turf stakes especially since many of the competitors have only raced once or twice on turf going into the BC. Combine it with the colts and simply call it the Juvenile Turf. The savings in purse money would be $1M. I also don’t think we need a Filly only sprint especially since several of the earlier BC Sprint races were won by fillies. There would be another $1M in purse. Who really cares about the Marathon, an actual G2 race, not even a G1. Frankly, I think that it’s a slap in the face to those of us who complain that many of the distance races of the past have been shortened, an example of which would be today’s Super Derby, once 10F and now 9F. Eliminate it and save another $500K. I realize that by eliminating certain races they might also be reducing other fees, and when they eliminate races they eliminate, to a degree, the BC cut from monies wagered, but in the end it would be well worth it if it attracted more world stars. Just some thoughts.

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KY VET — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 02:06:15 GMT

Greetings CLASS.......Being a professional handicapper means, you cant bet any track anywhere....lets look at sunday fort erie race #2....6 horse field....winner will be either 1,2,3.or 5....tough race on paper...go with BLUEGRASS BEAR...How about MOUNTAINEER RACE 6 SUNDAY....BIG fav #6 MINE NOW...can't lose huh? its 5 furlongs, always gets lead! well thats true, but i will try to beat.......so i must go with either 1,2,3, or 4 horse in 7 horse field...2 layoff horses,2 and 4... cant be sure about either ..thats the tough thing....the 3 might wake up, but lets go with the 1 horse LOPILATO 1st and 2nd................LEARN PEOPLE!

re: Closing out the summer meets

-Keelerman — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 01:19:13 GMT

Lazmanick;

I too have thought that the purse of the Breeders' Cup Turf deserves a bit of a boost in order to compete with other late-season turf races like the Arc, Melbourne Cup, and Japan Cup. But like you said, their money is tight, and seeing that they had to cut the purse of the Breeders' Cup Sprint in order to create the Juvenile Sprint, I can't see where the funds would come from.

-Keelerman

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KY VET — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 22:19:04 GMT

YOU ARE WELCOME!!!!! Oh....they just said the big story is the non-effort of the favorite........hmmmm. I love this game!

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-Keelerman — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 21:52:08 GMT

Footlick & Lazmanick;

I just read that Snow Fairy's final time of 2:00.92 seconds was a track record. Not bad!

-Keelerman

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-Keelerman — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 20:25:46 GMT

Footlick;

They did change the rules last year so that a "Win and You're In" victor needn't pay entry fees, but you may be right that the victor's sire must be nominated to the program in order for the reward to apply. I don't know the exact details of the program well enough to say for certain.

But I am glad to hear that Snow Fairy's trainer has the Breeders' Cup in mind, and I would be thrilled if Izzy Top were to come. She's struck me as a very nice filly, and it would add a great deal of intrigue to the Breeders' Cup Filly and Mare Turf if she were to run, assuming she was entered in that race rather than the Turf itself.

-Keelerman

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Footlick — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 19:05:04 GMT

Keelerman-we may be in luck though because Dunlap said in his post race interview that he really would like to bring her for the BC. We can keep our fingers crossed. I wonder of they will go for the BC Turf? Izzy Top is supposedly coming also.

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LAZMANICK — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 18:55:44 GMT

Keelrman

I didn't realize that the Irish Champion was a “win and you're in”. That certainly makes it all the more interesting. Just a thought because I realize that money is tight, but in an effort to attract more European stars, at least for the BC Turf, I would like to see the BC Committee increase the purse to $5M or at the very least $4M, and possibly include another “win and you're in race” in Europe? That would cost maybe another two Mill or so, but in an effort to enhance the BC’s reputation and help make it a more international affair it might be well worth it. Just a thought, but one that makes sense, at least to me.

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Footlick — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 18:37:29 GMT

Keelerman- unless they changed the rules, she still would have to pay an entry fee if her sire is not BC nominated. This happened a couple of years ago with an E.P. Taylor winner. A reporter said you are in, and the trainer said, I'm still not paying the entry fee. So we will see. Maybe they changed the rules. But I think the win and you're in means that You cannot be bumped from the field, not that you are waived the entry fee.

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-Keelerman — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:58:57 GMT

Footlick;

I agree that money would certainly be a reason to skip the Breeders' Cup with Snow Fairy, but the Irish Champion Stakes was a "Win and You're In" for the Breeders' Cup Turf, which eliminates her entry fees and gives her connections a $20,000 travel allowance should they choose to come. So I'm hopeful that this could tilt the balance in favor of a Breeders' Cup start rather than another trip to Japan. :)

-Keelerman

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-Keelerman — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:46:35 GMT

Lazmanick;

I too was impressed with St. Nicholas Abbey's performance, as I didn't really expect him to get that close going ten furlongs, as he is clearly superior with another quarter mile to work with. When one considers that he ran fifth in last year's Arc when in arguably lesser form, one has to think that he will be a serious win contender this time around.

-Keelerman

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Footlick — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:25:47 GMT

BTW, my other consideration is that you always back Dettori in races like this when he is on a class horse. Just another reason in favor of Snow Fairy for this race.

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Footlick — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:23:25 GMT

Keelerman- I just can't see them paying as much money as they would have to pay to run in the BC when they have virtually no expenses to run in Japan. But they said they are toying with the idea with a mention of the cost being a detriment.

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Footlick — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:21:24 GMT

Laz- all the Euro handicappers that I read or listened to on video said that this is a better trip for Nathaniel than longer, but he needs softer ground than what he was going to get for this race. I agree with SNA needing longer ground. The Arc trip should be his minimum trip for group 1 races. But Snow Fairy was the class and she showed it.

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LAZMANICK — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 16:53:15 GMT

Footlick and Keelerman

Great call on Snow Fairy. She is a super mare for sure. Nathaniel I thought might need more ground even though he powered into the lead in the stretch and Snow Fairy then reeled him in for a convincing victory. SNA was closing nicely too and I think that both he and Nathaniel could be ones to really consider in the Arc.

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-Keelerman — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 13:58:42 GMT

Footlick;

Thanks for your reply! I too had settled on Snow Fairy, for many of the same reasons as you, but I didn't know about Nathaniel needing softer ground. That's quite interesting!

On a side note, I have heard talk that Snow Fairy might come for the Breeders' Cup. Do you think this is a real possibility, or just a rumor?

-Keelerman