Gomez back in Chicago for Futurity

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Mary Zinke — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 03:11:41 GMT

As tough as that was, you picked the winner, KY Vet. Congrats.

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lunar spook — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:19:01 GMT

PEDIGREE ANN - I HAVE FOLLOWED THAS FOR A LONG TIME AND STILL THINK HES RAPIDLY IMPROVING AND MOTT WILL HAVE HIM READY COME B.C. TIME! WHATS YOUR TAKE ON FORT LARNED? I LIKE HIM TOO! p.s. check my quote about you on haskins game afoot article , i meant it sincerely !

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Pedigree Ann — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:30:53 GMT

Lunar spook - in his only race at 10f, last year's BC Classic, To Honor and Serve was backing up at the finish, from 2nd by 1 to 7th by 3.5; the genuine 10f horses were pulling away from him. This does not bode well for this year's race, especially if he doesn't get another 10f race and show something more than he did last year. Send him to Hawthorne for the Gold Cup, if you don't want to run him in the JC Gold Cup, Mr. Trainer.

P.S. Mr. Pletcher has demonstrated quite well the folly of running horses in the Classic without adequate distance racing and/or off a 2-month layoff. I am surprised that an experienced trainer like Mr. Mott would even consider such a strategy.

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lunar spook — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:15:49 GMT

JAY JAY- My classic horse is to honor and serve , i like the way hes maturing into form , if they elect not to run him i like fort larned , according to my O.M.O.C. FIGURES ron the geek has began to regress and will be way off come b.c. time

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Mary Zinke — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:40:50 GMT

KY Vet, I picked the final race of the big 9/12 carryover P6 at Fairplex, because I have had no luck trying to figure out this bull ring. I had two winners out of the Sunday P4 there, but the 1-9 single, Baffert's horse, was caught. Some horses blow the turns so badly. Chalk, big long shots, no rhyme or reason, so, since you asked, I picked one of the Fairplex races with a big field. I'm going to go 6,7,5. 6 because even with the "suspicious class drop", it appears to be much faster than the rest. That's the type that gets caught at this track,though. The key to the huge jackpot for someone could be one of your picks, KY Vet. Thanks for your response.

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JayJay — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:13:56 GMT

lunar spook : I'm staying in the wagon, until he shows something different in his next race. I think this horse just figured out he's better at 10Fs. I don't normally pick my horse until the post positions are drawn but since RTG is a turtle coming out of the gate anyway, post position doesn't matter.

Who's your Classic horse ?

Pete : Which race do you think will be the value race ? Seems like there's really no clear cut favorite in any of the BC races. Questing might go off at even money in the BCLC but I don't know if she's really unbeatable. I think the grass races will probably be where the longshots will win (and when I say longshot, I meant 20-1 or up.)

I'm anxiously awaiting who will show up from EU for the prestige and the trophy and the flowers and TV coverage and all that good stuff. I still don't know why they don't want the money but hey... we'll leave that up to the experts.

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KY VET — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:41:39 GMT

Mary. Good lord you picked a very tough race.9/12 10th at fairplex. wonder why you interested in that race....another "hurt patrol" race...big class droppers running bad.....not great race to bet...but here goes..3,5.6.7.9.10 list of possible winners...all droppers w problems...cut that to 5.7,9,10...good luck from there...

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Dr Drunkinbum — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:12:49 GMT

Thanks for the response Pete. I always love the F&M Sprint. Yep, Carlos is one that knows what he's talking about.

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Carlos in Cali — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:57:01 GMT

Thanks -Keelerman

I forgot that Flat Out is now in Mott's care. He seems to be loaded for the Classic if all 3 of his older male-handicap horses go. Though,I'm not sure a 1-turn mile is the right kind of prep for the 2-turn 10f BC Classic.. we'll see. Either way,To Honor And Serve will have to face Shackleford in the Kelso or Game On Dude in the Awesome Again @ Santa Anita if he ships. I prefer the latter scenario for several reasons,but he's not my horse and I'm pretty sure Mott knows what the hell he's doing...

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lunar spook — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:39:23 GMT

I sure hope all the folks on the RON THE GEEK bandwagon wise up before the b.c. the wheels are gonna come off , trust me !

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-Keelerman — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:08:52 GMT

Carlos in Cali;

Ron the Greek in pointing toward a start in the Jockey Club Gold Cup, as is fellow Bill Mott-trainee Flat Out, but Mott has mentioned the Kelso Handicap (gr. II) as a goal for To Honor and Serve -- if the colt gets a Classic prep at all. He may go straight to the Classic off of his Whitney victory, although I suspect that a start in the Kelso is more likely.

-Keelerman

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Carlos in Cali — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:10:39 GMT

By the way: Does anyone know what route To Honor And Serve and Ron The Greek will take towards the BC Classic? Will Mott run both of them in the JCGC?. Are they pointing the overated Royal Delta to the BC Classic to try and recoup some of the 9million$ the owners purchased her for, knowing she's probably best @ 10f?..

I think Mott should ship To Honor And Serve for his prep and give him a race over the Santa Anita track, Ron The Greek already has shown he likes SA by taking the Big Cap' earlier this year. Then again,THAS's tactical speed is an advantage @ Belmont Park,but do they want to tussle with the improving Fort Larned right before the BC Classic?..

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Pete Denk — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:06:07 GMT

Good call Carlos. Turbulent Descent could very well be headed for the BC F&M Sprint.

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JayJay — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 03:56:58 GMT

tcc : LOL, that was hilarious.

" betting these kinda horses can make you look like a genius, or an idiot(some person that bets on horses without using a racing form). "

I don't read the form and I didn't bet the horse... he read the form and KNEW the horse lost 42 lengths in their last 3 races and STILL BET HIM.... who's the idiot now ?? Hahaha, I crack meself up.

I checked equibase and the full chart said the 8 horse "lost contact, eased". I think there's a big difference between a horse breaking down and being eased.... I'm just saying... someone needs some real schooling.

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Carlos in Cali — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:53:59 GMT

Pete,

Re: the F&M Sprint. Turbulent Descent seems formidable as Santa Anita was her former home-base and 7f seems to be her best distance... I noticed you didn't mention her.

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KY VET — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:31:05 GMT

ROCKING OUT BROKE DOWN.....

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KY VET — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:17:21 GMT

Yes....thats what happens ...sometimes they dont wake up......i lost that race....it happens...............pro

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Rusty Weisner — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:54:26 GMT

tcc:

I'm sitting on that horse. Fifth time's the charm.

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tcc — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:51:45 GMT

JayJay and Laz;

Maybe you could help the pro after class is over.

WELCOME CLASS!!!! To be a pro handicapper you must understand that almost all horses running have something wrong with them....

horse 8 has lost last 3 races by 42 lenghts.....this is a good thing....win place / key horse 8 ROCKING OUT....to wake up

KY VET 09 Sep 2012 10:31 PM.

#8 finished LAST!

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Rusty Weisner — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:45:09 GMT

Pete Denk,

I'm probably not the only one who would love to see extensive guest commentary by Gun Bow on the Santa Anita course for the Breeder's Cup.

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Pete Denk — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:25:03 GMT

Dr. D-

Blood-Horse is planning a series of race chats around the Breeders' Cup, and I'll definitely be looking at a bunch of the divisions.

In the F&M Sprint, it looks like Groupie Doll could be challenged by Winding Way, Contested, and Renee's Got Zip.

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Mary Zinke — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 06:50:07 GMT

KY Vet, Race 10 at Fairplex, 9/12. There's one vote. Whatever this group decides. Stakes race: Woodbine Mile,9/16, all placings. Thanks.

I'll try and check out what you said about my girl, Groupie Doll.

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LAZMANICK — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 06:35:33 GMT

Jay I also think he probably watches those late night informercials, you know the ones where some slick guy in a suit is pushing his confidential book that lists all those Euro Owners that give away their horse's earnings.

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LAZMANICK — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 06:33:01 GMT

Jay

Monday's! Isn't that the day that real pros take off? I thought that was the day they went to the bank and deposited their earnings then took some time to read up on Handicapping for Dummies, Vol One - Why I Never Bet the First Two Favorites.

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JayJay — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 06:08:39 GMT

Laz : Yeah, I have no idea where KY VET gets his information. I bet you if he tells the EU owners "Hey, back me up here, you guys don't come here for the money right ?? " ... they'll probably give him 1 pound and say " go buy someone to talk to."

Compared to KY VET, we're all PROs. Picking the favorite or the 2nd favorite is really really hard. KY VET doesn't realize that when a horse is the favorite or even 2nd favorite, more than half of the betting public already picked the horse lol. It's just wayyy too funny.