Lasix-off not an issue for Fortify

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Rusty Weisner — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:31:36 GMT

Excelebration is first-time Lasix, for what that's worth.

The Europeans also all carry less weight than they're used to, plus Shareta and Moonlight Cloud (best challenger to Excelebration, for the odds) get the 3 lb. FM allowance.

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Rusty Weisner — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:47:50 GMT

I have a suspicion that people go very wide in the Turf Sprint, but the past three years favorites or near-favorites have won (I had a Pick 3 singling the winning favorite last year, Noble's something). It tends to be formful, as they say.

I don't think so this year with this course and distance!

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Rusty Weisner — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:50:36 GMT

What are the takeouts? Unsurprisingly, I'm finding it impossible to track this info down.

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Footlick — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 03:08:05 GMT

Rusty- she should appreciate the conditions better. She does favor firmer ground. Also remember, SNA has always performed much better on left handed courses, and he gets that here.

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Rusty Weisner — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:13:46 GMT

It's a bit early to say for sure, but I am thinking of playing two Pick 4 tickets, singling Excelebration on one and Shareta on the other. The best Europeans don't always win these races, but I'll hope for at least one of them to.

On the ticket where I don't single Excelebration, I'll probably hit ALL or close to it in the Mile. Probably less deep in the Turf.

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Rusty Weisner — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:08:29 GMT

The Keymaster,

That's understating things. He's basically never lost to anyone but Frankel (came in third once, I think). It's always the case that the horse might not like the course or the footing, but given the odds he'll have, looks like a possible single.

As far as Shareta goes, reports over there say SA's firm ground will be to her advantage. Similar reports said the same thing about Dangerous Midge a couple of years back, so I take them seriously.

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THE KEYMASTER — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:15:30 GMT

Rusty-

Good point. Wise Dan will be overbet in our pools and Excelebration will likely be the value. Excelebration looked outstanding while winning at Ascot on British Champions Day. Joseph O'Brien was sitting chilly waiting for room and once he found it, they were gone!

I might actually try to play someone other than Wise Dan and Excelebration though, just haven't figured out who it is yet.

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Footlick — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:07:41 GMT

Longer shots I'm looking at to include:

Juv Sprint- Ceiling Kitty and Sweet Shirley Mae

Marathon- Calidoscopio and Juniper Pass

Juv FT- Flotilla, Waterway Run and Oscar Party

Juv Fillies- Spring in the Air and Broken Spell

FM Turf- Star Billing, Nereid. In Lingerie and Lady of Shamrock (12-1, really?)

Ladies Classic- Include Me Out

Juv T- Artigiano, rown Almighty, Dry Summer and Fantastic Moon

FM Sprint- Switch, Rumor and Teddy's Promise

Dirt Mile- Rail Trip and Tapizar

Turf Sprint- Mizdirection and Camp Victory

Juv- Capo Bastone, Dynamic Sky and Monument

Turf- Cogito, Optimizer and Slim Shady

Sprint- Fast Bullet, Jimmy Creed and Justin Phillip

Mile- Mr Commons and Suggestive Boy

Classic- Pool Play, Richard's Kid and Nonios.

These are taken off the morning line. These are horses I am interested for exotics. These are not my picks, just horses I am interested in for their odds.

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Footlick — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:58:14 GMT

Rusty- you can just go to their website and look them up. Dundonnell is 3-1 for the Juv turf, artigiano is 7-1 and George Vancouver is also 7-1. In the Mile, Excelebration is 6-4, Wise Dan is 5-2 and Moonlight Cloud is 5-1. In the Turf, POE is 11-4, SNA is 3-1, Shareta is 4-1 and Trailblazer is 13-2.

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Rusty Weisner — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:52:31 GMT

Does anyone have the William Hill odds for these races? I'm interested in see what they are for the Juvenile turf, Mile (turf) and Turf.

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Rusty Weisner — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:51:05 GMT

Just starting to look things over.

Can anyone tell me why I want to be betting against Excelebration when he'll be splitting the money with Wise Dan?

Not going wide in the Sprint: I'm considering the last G1 SA the key race, with Amazombie, Coil and Capital Account against lots of 3-yos and weak competition from back East. Jimmy Creed had a shorter, inside trip than those other three and is a 3yo, but I will consider him because of Mandella.

In the turf I prefer Shareta to PofE and StNA. I also like Slim Shadey here. He doesn't often get the opportunity at this distance and I like his last race as a workout.

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JayJay — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 01:44:56 GMT

Dr. D : Yeah, I wasn't expecting it but I'll take it wholeheartedly. It seems the Tigers just wasn't able to get through the "layoff" for winning their series early and just lost momentum. A sweep was definitely not something I expected.

I am planning on playing the P3s and P4s, I think the trifectas will be tough on all the races and it can get pretty expensive to try and hit it every race. I might actually play $20 Win bets on each race. I'm waiting for the post position draws before deciding how much I'll play on the P6, hopefully hit it so I can break even for this month lol.

Prayers and thoughts goes out to all affected by Sandy. Hang in there and be safe!

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Pete Denk — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:20:05 GMT

Hey guys, I am back in Lexington. Sorry for the absence.

I didn't delete any comments, and I definitely would not delete anything on the Lasix debate. All opinions r welcome. (Besides, I haven't even made up my mind 100% on what I think about Lasix)

I will look into it and report back. I am guessing the website went down and some comments were lost(?). Sorry for the confusion.

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Dr Drunkinbum — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:43:33 GMT

I agree with The Keymaster, Pete has allowed very strong dissenting opinions and opinions very critical of him.

Jayjay

I don't really think it was fair for to the Tigers. They never had to face pitching that good before or a team that tenacious. It was just out of their league. Good luck with the BC. Pk3's might be a good way to go, you think?

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Ranagulzion — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:54:22 GMT

Coldfacts,

Fortify is now my firm selection for the BCJ. Looking ahead, I'll agree that his pedigree screams Triple crown series but I'll need to see more as I'm presently quite high on two Northern Dancer line colts, Darwin and Overanalyzed. The latter ran disappointingly in the Iroquois but he has plenty of ability, is being seasoned and has a sustained big kick when coming from off the pace. More anon.

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THE KEYMASTER — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:15:20 GMT

jimthepimp, Mary Zinke, and anyone else that may have attempted to post a comment that wasn't posted...

It is my understanding that Pete was traveling this weekend, so he did not moderate your comments. Pete is open to discussion and other opinions. I often disagree with Pete and never get moderated.

Your comments would have only been moderated if they contained vulgarity (which I assume was not the case), or more likely due to system error.

I imagine we will hear an explanation from Pete upon his return this week.

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JayJay — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 06:28:35 GMT

GO GIANTS!

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Dr Drunkinbum — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:55:36 GMT

patdoyle

The one med I am OK with on raceday is Lasix, but only for those who need it. I do believe that giving lasix to every horse every race can be detrimental to their bodies, especially young, developing horses. The problem with meds in the U.S. is that the privlege has been highly abused sometime leading to death, especially in the lower claiming ranks where horses have been given pain meds and then they break down.

jimthepimp, Mary

Maybe Pete knows the answer about the non-posted blog entries but I do know that sometimes they are lost due to technical difficulties, of course I don't know if that was the reason in your instances. Maybe Pete can answer that.

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Dr Drunkinbum — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:50:04 GMT

Mike Repole will be on strike in the middle of a superstorm while everyone else is at the BC in sunny California. Altough I would like to see the BC be in NY once in awhile and Gulfstream once in awhile I can understand the point of the BC holding it in what is more likely to be good weather more often, but I don't see why they can't plan it far ahead with a rotating schedule that includes KY, FL, CA and NY. The dates will have to be set up in accordance with normal good weather patterns and meet schedules. I do see Mike Repole's point but his response is a little drastic. On the flip side, with his 2yo's, they may be better off without the BC considering the poor record of BC runners in the quest for a Triple Crown win. I did want to see Stay Thirsty in the Classic, thinking he had a good shot at good odds in a wide open race.

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Dr Drunkinbum — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:08:17 GMT

KY Vet

Maybe you don't understand betting rules. The W bet is for who comes in first, not who comes in last. Listen and learn !!!!!! Learn the game !!!!! Come on now, get the basics down then you can work your way up. If you listen and learn.

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KY VET — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 21:51:28 GMT

longshots 0-2 down300 bucks....prime bet of day coming up at gg....race 5 #2 ALL SIX SISTERS 200w150 p

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KY VET — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 21:34:43 GMT

aqu longshot play #2 race 10 #7 LOST DECADE

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KY VET — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 21:20:04 GMT

kee Fayette stks......longshot play of day...120w80p GOLDEN YANK

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JayJay — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:09:03 GMT

Keeneland's 2nd race results made me lol, I went with the hoochie coochie but glamour puss beat me. I guess that's what I get for going cheap on the P4.

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JayJay — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:18:25 GMT

Belmont Early $1 P4 ($24) :

2nd : 4, 6

3rd : 13, 4, 9

4th : 7

5th : 11, 10, 8, 4

Keeneland Early $1 P4 ($16) :

2nd : 7

3rd : 7, 10, 11, 5

4th : 10, 5

5th : 3, 11