Leading Astray, Gary Stevens

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Pete Denk — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:53:17 GMT

KY Vet is correct that raw times are not the best way to measure speed.

That's why we have speed figures.

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Coldfacts — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:43:51 GMT

JayJay,

I agree with you regarding the 3YO class of 2007. Street Sense, Curlin, Zenyatta, Rags To Riches Hard Spun, Dreaming Of Anna and Tiago combined for about $50M in purses.

Mr. SOS

When horses are referred to as allowance horses it can be inferred that they have not reached stakes standard. What differentiate a stakes horse from an allowance horse? Does one record a faster time than the other? If a horse wins all the allowance condition races available but cannot win a stakes race is it an allowance horse or a stakes?

Giacomo qualified for a NW2 lifetime race. He won the Derby without winning either an allowance or stakes race. Was he a MSW, allowance or stakes horse at the time of his Derby victory?

He who feels he has the authority of label young developing horses as merely belonging to the allowance ranks, is highlighting overwhelming ignorance.

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CHIEF PICAWINNA — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:25:48 GMT

PlodBP I can see you were predictive of what I wrote in my post,so for all the other posters(not screen names)there is no need to repost.BTW Little Mike ran his best race on the right day,similar to Mine That Bird.I think his race in the Arlington Million was against a weaker field than the Turf Classic.I will see if he also got a great trip right behind the pacesetter,or if this will be his Modus Operandi going forward.

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Lise from Maine — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:57:57 GMT

Hi!

Watched the race on TVG with Gary Stevens return to racing, and it was an exciting race to watch.

He came so close to winning.

Best wishes for next time.

At least you, Mr. Stevens, made it exciting to watch.

Thank you!

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Mike Relva — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:52:47 GMT

Forbidden Apple

No, actually from Miami, (where Shandler boasts of currently living). lol At present, living a little east of Nashville. I've enjoyed your comments over the past few years.

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Mike Relva — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:51:10 GMT

Forbidden Apple

No, actually from Miami, (where Shandler boasts of currently living). lol At present, living a little east of Nashville. I've enjoyed your comments over the past few years.

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Plod Boy Phil — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 04:14:51 GMT

Chief Picawiina -

Perhapsn your post just got lost in cyberspace. Guessing most here have had a similar experience. You should resend if it was w/in the boundaries set by the host.

In any event, did not intend to disagree or start an argument.

It was indeed a terrifically successful change of tactics for the LM team.

No need for me to go into the details of the Racing Flow description of the move LM made and it's significance for us, as such would likely fall on deaf ears.

BoRL

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CHIEF PICAWINNA — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 04:06:28 GMT

I think any KD list now is more of hope list than anything else,sure if you got twenty on yours maybe one or two will come in the money, as far as the winner I doubt it,but the 3yo races have hardly begun.This isnt the same derby that it was ten or twenty years ago,and in the next decade it will be clear, but I hope everyone dosent take that long to realize and except it.

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JayJay — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:46:09 GMT

Forbidden Apple : I don't think it matters how LM won the race but compared with Fort Larned, I thought LM won the best races and the horses he beat are much much better than the horses that Fort Larned beat all year. People will argue about the speed bias in the Classic that I personally thought affected the outcome of the race. It sure didn't work out for my horse RTG but putting those aside, I think race for race, LM just had better competition in the races he won.

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JayJay — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:33:20 GMT

Coldfacts : Don't pay attention to the vet. Appreciate that post as it brought back memories for me. I do feel the 2007 crop were the best in the last decade, not because I think they were the best horses in the last decade but more of how evenly matched they were that year. I thought 80% of the field had the same chance at winning the derby. I was an anti Hard Spun and lost a lot of money not betting him. I didn't like speed horses and handicapped him in every race to fold but he never did. Now I keep an eye on his babies and maybe I can get some of the money I lost by betting his babies hehe.

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CHIEF PICAWINNA — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:15:33 GMT

PlodBP I guess you didnt get to read my reply to your last with my name,it confirms what Ive known about this blog for a long time.

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Forbidden Apple — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:10:54 GMT

I should have written Little Mike stalked a comfortable lead, my mistake. Yes, I think J.V. was a bit dull, Point of Entry was the best horse. He'll have to prove me right in 2013. Little Mike was lucky to hang on for the win.

Again, I don't think the 3 year olf filly championship should be close at all, Questing is the deserving champion.

KY coldcuts,

I also had Tapicat in the 5th, but I did not post it as I was expecting heavy favoritism. She looks like a stakes caliber horse to me. My 2 cheap Calder horses were slow, they need to ship back to Calder. Not horrible for a wed. card.

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KY VET — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:34:42 GMT

why cant the people on here understand figures ARE the time of a race? brisnet or beyer! why does colcuts STILL keep posting times of races? COME ON MAN! people say i go on beyers.....i go on either beyer or brisnet figs...someone explain to him why...........make no mistake, i dont go on the highest fig....thats not how i pick......but it shows who ran the fastest that day...............enough of the no variant times! geez

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KY VET — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:28:41 GMT

good job apple you got one! 6.80

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CHIEF PICAWINNA — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:04:29 GMT

PBP I not disagreeing with the fact that that was HIS BEST RACE OF THE YEAR(Little Mike)and if he can sit that relaxed with a lot of run in him,like I said 2013 will be a very good year.Little Mikes other big score the Arlington Million was using a different running style, his usual race is to run on the lead.

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Plod Boy Phil — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:06:41 GMT

Chief Pic-

Little Mike did enjoy a nice trip, but the fact that he opened up off the turn and held the two deep closers (the top two favs) at bay despite a favorable set up for them as well, makes it a solid race.

Speed is a wonderful thing.

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CHIEF PICAWINNA — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:49:40 GMT

IMO Little Mike let the pacesetter do the dirty work for him, and he just cruised right behind, he got the first jumpandPOE didnt have enough ground left to catch him.If thats Little Mikes new running style, 2013 will be a good year for him.

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Plod Boy Phil — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:26:43 GMT

correction:

not the 'Mile' of course, but the 12f 'Turf'

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Plod Boy Phil — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:25:19 GMT

One more note on the BC Mile -

For what it's worth, we at Racing Flow had the race modestly closer favoring, in which case any horse behind the winner after the half mile may have actually had a better scenario in which to run it's best race.

Little Mike deserves every accolade that comes his way.

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Plod Boy Phil — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:08:16 GMT

Forbidden Apple -

re: Little Mike:

He did not make the lead until the top of the lane. It was the first time since Dec 11, 2010 that he did not make the lead at the first call - a string of 11 straight races.

Do you really think John R 'fell asleep' in a BC race, or maybe the best horse on that day won the race with a better turn of foot ?

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CHIEF PICAWINNA — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:17:26 GMT

BTW Vet I dont think you should play offspring from TURNBACK THE ALARM.

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CHIEF PICAWINNA — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:13:21 GMT

KY Vet dont worry if they will wake up or not,Im gonna sell alarm clocks for horse stalls online at sites where trainers buy their feed.I will let you know which trainers buy them,and then you know WHO is probably awake,then all you gotta figure out is which ones dont pay attention to the alarm.

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Forbidden Apple — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:33:51 GMT

Mike Relva,

Do you live in Saratoga Springs?

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Mike Relva — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:09:15 GMT

Mary Z

Like stated I actually do something, unlike a few living in a world of illusion. Whatever works for you, I guess.

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Mary Zinke — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:57 GMT

Mike, I'm sorry that you and I didn't work out. Please break it to him gently, but it was your monkey. Think of me fondly.