Looking for value in the Big Cap

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Mike Relva — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 18:49:01 GMT

1:08 and change

Really? I don't like the fact how many horses he's ruined. Could care less about his wins.

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Coldfacts — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 17:40:41 GMT

1:08 and change,

A trend has a starting point and there are no rules.

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1:08 and change — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 17:03:52 GMT

Mike,

The guy has 9 wins and multiple placings in Triple Crown races. I do not think he is the only trainer out there. It's the lack of respect shown to the guy when it's clear he has dominated all others.

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1:08 and change — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:52:31 GMT

Coldcuts:

And your sample size for a trend is laughable.

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Coldfacts — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 06:36:56 GMT

1:08 and change,

Your lack of understanding is overwhelming a denoted by your response.

A derby trend is not a theory.

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Coldfacts — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 06:34:52 GMT

The colt Flower alley sired sent the colt Empire Marker sired into early retirement.

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Mike Relva — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 06:02:33 GMT

1:08 and change

Sorry not everyone thinks Baffert is the only trainer out there.

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KY VET — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 22:20:51 GMT

The breeding guru.....likes flower ally better than empire maker.....that says it all......

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1:08 and change — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:21:56 GMT

Keep the Baffert bashing going... because one race makes a trainer.

Coldcuts,

You're right. There must be some relevance to your theory. Just look at how many mares Wilt Chamberlain covered over the years. I still don't remember him having any offspring that made it to the NBA. Oh wait, mares bred sorry.

I apologize to all females on the blog for the mare metaphor.

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Mike Relva — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:40:57 GMT

Alot of you are going to be suprised when Baffert and Pletcher doesn't win on May 4. lol

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Coldfacts — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 05:10:59 GMT

1:08 and change,

“Who's the breeding guru?”

If you are attempting to be funny you should at least know the right questions to ask to have an effective punch line.

A Breeding Guru is one that is versed in the various crosses that are likely to produce the best results for stallions and mares. The number of mare bred is a not a related issue.

“How many mares did Empire Maker cover yearly when he was still in the USA?”

Again you are so anxious to score points that you fail to ask the correct questions. The data I provided focusses on mares bred and not mares covered. I assume you know the difference. Empire Maker bred 726 during his time in the US.

“And Royal Delta definitely looks to be suffering from the too many covers epidemic.”

I highlighted a Derby trend. How is Royal Delta relevant to this issue?

If you are going to make a fool of yourself, the KY VET has excess capacity to accommodate you.

NB: Flower Alley bred < 70 mares in 2008 while Empire Maker bred 151.

Which stallion sired the Derby and Preakness winner?

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JayJay — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 05:02:31 GMT

Dr. D : I seriously LOL'd at that " ..... " morse code, that's classic lol. I'm not yet sold on Verrazano and if he does go off at 1-2 like some people are predicting, I'll be happier, I think Dynamic Sky has the homefield advantage, if he's good enough. I guess I'll wait to see how the odds are playing at race time. I don't feel the Kentucky Derby winner will be coming from Tampa Bay preps but who knows. Good luck this weekend as well.

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Plod Boy Phil — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 04:25:43 GMT

VET -

I think in the case of Forbidden, you should just make a legit point about your take on speed figures, foundation and the concept of 'too much too soon' in young horses.

You won't be giving away any great secrets. I could be wrong.

I'll have some opionions to offer in both preps this weekend, but there are many good opportunites between now and then.

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Forbidden Apple — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 04:21:25 GMT

What do you know? Are you his new trainer?

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KY VET — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 04:13:29 GMT

Congrats to jay jay.....hes been invited to go with rodman, to north korea......they need a calm negotiator type, a positive "people" person, to help bring peace.....

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KY VET — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 04:08:27 GMT

an economy pack of COLDCUTS.....

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KY VET — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 04:07:03 GMT

apple.....itsmyluckyday will show you what i know.......wait until im wrong....

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Footlick — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 03:58:49 GMT

lots of dwarves...........

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Dr Drunkinbum — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 03:50:35 GMT

JayJay

My feeling is that Verrazano is going to be too tough so I'll probably stay out but this is who I like in order of preference at Tampa- Verrazano, Java's War, Honorable Dillon. I forgot about the CAPS, now if you can just get him to spit out what he wants to say instead of ..... Confusing at times. Probably some kind of secret morse code or something that only top handicappers understand. Good luck on the weekend.

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Forbidden Apple — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 03:44:08 GMT

Ranagulzion,

I found the perfect horse for you to play. Race 5 on saturday at the Big A, In Todd We Trust. A $470,000 Tiznow colt that was claimed from Pletcher for $35,000 last out. Good luck.

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Mary Zinke — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 03:37:07 GMT

Coldfacts, Was Touch Gold over-bred in 2003?

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Forbidden Apple — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 03:36:22 GMT

KY Vet,

You have said that a 104 beyer is too fast for Itsmyluckyday and a 93 beyer is too slow for Vyjack. So what is your idea of an ideal beyer in Feb./Mar.? Or are you just mad because you lost money on Shanghai Bobby, Violence, and Overanalyze?

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KY VET — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 02:56:59 GMT

i'm not saying either of the sky horses will run bad....just saying that they might have a problem......usually they might go off form this race, sometimes 2.....i wouldnt bet on either....but they are not bad on paper....knowing horses, some can run with problems....sometimes its a minor thing...........like a horse can limp with a broken leg, or a safety pin in foot.....1 is major, 1 minor.......we will see....still cant understand how tiz a minister did that move last race.........mine that bird move.......

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KY VET — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 02:50:15 GMT

btw...omega star and tiz a minister both cal. breds! wow!

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Plod Boy Phil — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 02:28:59 GMT

cymbal rather