The 145th Belmont Stakes

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Mary Zinke — Sun, 04 Aug 2013 22:26:48 GMT

Who are you trying to throw off the trail? This does not compute.

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Mary Zinke — Fri, 02 Aug 2013 04:19:24 GMT

What a very lovely thought, KY. Unfortunately, I must wait until the Breeders' Cup for my next out of state trip. How about if I'm there, wishing you luck and congrats, in spirit? That's very good news about the jockey riding your horse!

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KY VET — Thu, 01 Aug 2013 21:38:41 GMT

im serious mary.....i need someone to shake the all time winning jocks' hand......he commited to my horse a month out......

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KY VET — Thu, 01 Aug 2013 21:35:07 GMT

hey mary....its a mini breeders cup day for me aug 9th....both of my horses run......you can go in the winners circle at santa rosa friday if ya wanna......lol...horse #1 going a mile here.....

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Mary Zinke — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 21:13:26 GMT

That new blog does not appear, so just wanted to say, although, yes, it's biased, I got one of those HTG type of positive notes about Fury for r6 at DM tomorrow. Wine Police(now a gelding) and She Digs Me a 1/2 to Mylute also return in this race.

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Pedigree Ann — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 19:01:33 GMT

Hi - guys! It's Sunday and the Haskell challenge is off and running. That's an on-line contest, similar to Survival at the Shore. So far I have 2 winners and 3 seconds and am waiting out an enquiry to see if another winner will be DQ-ed. Unfortunately, I can't bet on contest picks - I think it jinxes them.

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Rusty Weisner — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 01:27:34 GMT

Regret: after Dayatthespa scratched I might have substituted Laughing on my tickets for front-running speed...

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Rusty Weisner — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 01:14:18 GMT

I bid adieu...Adieu!

I'm going to the other thread for Haskell day.

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Little Bill — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 22:30:58 GMT

The term "hit the board" was coined long before exotic wagers. Are we going to redefine the term as the wagers progress?

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Rusty Weisner — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 22:18:56 GMT

Stank it up today with Centre Court, but I wasn't the only one. Too bad I won't win any money today when I had a cinch in Palace Malice. Have a lousy DD live with 5,6,10 in the last to get my betting money back. Also those three in boxed exactas. I'll presumably lose and be out $50 today.

But, tomorrow!....the Haskell.

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ROBBIEJOE25 — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:42:06 GMT

How much confidence does anyone have in Verrazano going a mile and quarter? To me the best three year old will win either the Travers,Jockey Club,Pacific and or the Breeders Cup.....

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Ranagulzion — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:17:27 GMT

Coldfacts,

You may say that Orb is arguably the best 3YO colt based upon his body of work so far but Verrazano is not far off and a win in the Haskel will make his case arguably as strong as Orb's since the Derby was kindof a funny race this year (meaning that Verrazano shouldn't lose too many marks for that off the board performance).

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Mary Zinke — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:09:09 GMT

deargodalmightygeeziz, Thanks to anyone who clarified what in the money and hitting the board mean. It was a freakin mistake because seriously I forgot Orb's record exactly, in the early(to me) a.m., not that I don't know those terms. Now, I'm going to go ask mom and dad how a gelding is made.

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Coldfacts — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 17:31:33 GMT

Mary,

Horse Racing Terminology regards Off the board - as a horse that fails to finish in the money. This definition is very ambiguous. There is no specific dividend paid on a horse that finishes 4th. However, this horse does secure the 4th place portion of the purse and consequently dose not finish out of the money as it relates to the purses. In addition, the dividend paid for a superfactor includes the 4th place finisher.

When I specified that Orb finished on the board in all TCRs, he provided a return in the form of a dividend directly and in combination with others in all three races.

He returned a direct dividend in the WPS and contributed to the Tri & Super in the Derby; he contributed to the super dividend in the Preakness and the Show, Tri & Super dividend in the Belmont. He was therefore was not totally out of the money as it relate to dividend in all 3 races and therefore was not off the board based on the above Terminology..

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Coldfacts — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 17:07:27 GMT

Plod Boy Phil,

"since it was he who was hanging his hat on Orb 'hitting the board' in all three TCRs"

Was Orb's number displayed on the tote board immediately after Mylute's number in the Preakness?

The correct answer to the above question will put to rest the issue of on/off the board.

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Coldfacts — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 17:02:05 GMT

Plod Boy Phil,

I feel obliged to advise you that because you consider hitting the board as one of the top 3 positions, does not make it so.

There are four positions that are displayed on the board i.e., 1st, 2nd ,3rd and 4th.

When a horse finishes off the board it means it finished either fifth or lower.

How often have you either read or heard the quote he/she was the chalk and did not hit the board? That quote does not restrict the board to the top 3.

There is an exotic wager known is an exotic wager known as the Superfactor. The horses that combine for this wager are displayed in order on the board as opposed to a high 5 that includes a horse that finishes off the board.

Based on your assessment of on the board all totes should be modified to reflect only first 3 places.

As usual I look forward to your informed response.

One Love!

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Coldfacts — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:40:49 GMT

FA,

I hope you are correct. I have lost a lot of money on KM's horses and I am a bitter man.

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Plod Boy Phil — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:33:27 GMT

Mary-

I should have addressed that 'board' response to Coldfacts, since it was he who was hanging his hat on Orb 'hitting the board' in all three TCRs.

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Forbidden Apple — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:30:22 GMT

Race 8: #5 Kris Royal will be rolling late down the lane for the win. He has a win at Saratoga, very well bred for grass and he picks up John Velazquez. Not to mention Lopresti is one of the best trainers on the grounds and his horse is second off from a long layoff. Exactas with #1 Plainview and #2 Sachem Spirit. Daily Double with #5 Centre Court and #2 Stephanie's Kitten.

Race 9: #5 Centre Court is my top pick with her stalking style and two good efforts previously at Saratoga. Exacta with #2 Stephanie's Kitten and Daily Double with #8 Mylute.

Race 10: #8 Mylute is my top pick in the Jim Dandy. I'm hoping someone softens up Palice Malice and sets it up for Mylute's closing kick. Exactas with #5 Palice Malice and #1 Bashaar.

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Mary Zinke — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:18:14 GMT

Damn, I should have gotten the epi-pen ready. My correction to hit the board wasn't fast enough. I had to comb My Little Pony's tail.

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Rusty Weisner — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:09:37 GMT

Nearly all the turf routes at Monmouth are at 8.5f. Any horses 10 or outside I'm on the fence about I'll toss. Stats are 4-72 from posts 9 out this meet. Not usually a factor I weight heavily.

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Plod Boy Phil — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:04:38 GMT

FA -

Jockeys, like the rest of us, have good runs and bad. The day will not arrive when I choose not to wager on an upgraded runner because of which courageous little human with a helmet and a stick is sitting on their back.

As for Perfect Course, if he was good enough, I think he gets to the spot in time and runs on - in my opinion he wasn't, and thus, he didn't. I would normally defer judgment until after the Flow figure was in, but since PC was ahead of the eventual winner in the early stages of the race, the best I can do is give a neutral grade for his effort. This of course, reduces him to 'just a horse' status.

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Rusty Weisner — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:58:49 GMT

Oops. My apologies, Coldfacts.

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Coldfacts — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:50:29 GMT

Silver Tongued: I had my eyes on this colt early in the 3YO season. He dropped off my radar but I really like him in the OH Derby.

A son of Flatter out of mare that made 2 starts and earned $244. I love a horses from unraced and lightly race mares. Hopefully he will not drop too far behind and can use his closing kick to get home in front.

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Plod Boy Phil — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:42:35 GMT

Mary -

I consider 'hitting the board' as in the top 3. If someone bets a horse 'across the board' and it runs 4th, should they bother going to collect ?

Good luck today, especially if you are voting.