TimeformUS Weekend Plays: The Amsterdam and the Bing Crosby

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Forbidden Apple — Sat, 03 Aug 2013 17:43:21 GMT

Saratoga August 3:

Race 9 #5 Baffle Me is a gate to wire threat if she can hold off Laugh Out Loud late. Daily Double with the monster Fort Larned.

Race 10 #3 Fort Larned will stalk Cross Traffic and pull away at the top of the stretch. Cross Traffic could hold on for second, but I have Ron the Greek and Alpha closing late. Straight exactas over Ron the Greek and Alpha.

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Rusty Weisner — Fri, 02 Aug 2013 18:26:07 GMT

I'll try the WV Derby for $20 ro $30.

I like a Betweenhereandcool and Departing exacta, and each on top over the other in exacta-ish keyed-trifectas with Overanalyze, Say Ow and Ruler of Love for the other spot underneath.

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derbygal — Thu, 01 Aug 2013 22:50:10 GMT

Delmar: Race #6 going to try 3,4,5,6 exacta box.

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Mary Zinke — Thu, 01 Aug 2013 04:56:55 GMT

So this blog is under handicapping instead of blogs. Okay, see you for the weekend stakes.

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Plod Boy Phil — Thu, 01 Aug 2013 00:45:27 GMT

Sam -

I agree. No matter what the race, $4.20 is $4.20.

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Sam Santschi — Thu, 01 Aug 2013 00:27:05 GMT

Phil, not sour grapes on my part. Congrats to those who had him. I took at stab on micromanage and his third made the loss more palatable. V's a good horse but comparing him to Frankel or Holy Bull? Thought that was over the top a bit.

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KY VET — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:10:26 GMT

yea yea....longshot got 4th.....solo rock wins.......+100

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KY VET — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:49:11 GMT

del race 6 200wp #2 solo rock

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KY VET — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:40:55 GMT

sar race 6 longshot of the day #10 harrods bay!!!!!300w200p

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JerseyBoy — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:33:19 GMT

For updates on horses in training, see URL below.

www.equibase.com/.../index.html

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Coldfacts — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:07:49 GMT

"First learn to spell"

The child amongst us has awaken. Welcome back my learned contributor. I truly missed your hate.

With the exclusion of your referenced quote, my post contained five paragraphs. Was assuming the only word misspelt?

My learned colleague spelling is not the issue its editing.

As usual I can look forwards to you keeping me honest.

Since you mentioned Footbridge, do you have any information about the well bred colt? Since his last place finish in the Bluegrass he not been seen.

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JerseyBoy — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:07:04 GMT

"Asumming he takes to the turf"

First learn to spell, then focus on your unemotional assessment of Footbridge.

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Pedigree Ann — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:23:48 GMT

Rusty -

I did point out that he ran BEFORE the rain? And that the rain somewhat changed the track?

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Plod Boy Phil — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:54:29 GMT

Sam -

He did pay $4.20, so tip your cap to all those that liked him....

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Coldfacts — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:53:07 GMT

Interesting post regarding categories.

Lawyer Ron was used as an example of a colt that suffered a narrow loss at 10F after being trained to settle.

Lawyer Ron's 1st attempt at 10F under Mr. Pletched was in the 2006 Breeder Cup Classic where he finished 9th. He contested two other 10F races under Mr. Pletcher finishing 2nd in the 2007 JCGC and 7th in the 2007 BCC.

He contested three 10F races and finished second in one and off the board in the others. It is clear this colt was not effective at 10F despite being trained to settle.

Lawyer Ron won three 9F races. Two with Mr. Pletcher and one with his original trainer Mr. Holthus. He attempted one 10F race under Mr. Holthus care and finished 12th in the Derby won by Barbaro.

Interestingly, the colt that finished last in that Derby was the very fast Keyed Entry who was no doubt trained to settle by Mr. Pletcher.

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Coldfacts — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:19:54 GMT

"with his electric turn of foot, he would be unbeatable up to 10 furlongs."

Bold prediction indeed! Asumming he takes to the turf, this surface is dominated by Wise Dan up to probably 9F. There after it is Point Of Entry territory. This is assuming he returns from injury.

Rydulluc is a talented colt with lots of pace who can develop into a serious turf horse at the top level. Likewise Noble Tune.

To suggest that Verrazano can just switch surface and blow these two colts away is a stretch.

Nobles Tune turn of foot is far more electric than that of Verrazano. Rydilluc has tactical speed that he maintains effectively for 9F. There is no doubt that he will be effective at 10F when gets stronger.

Here we go again with another horse that is being assessed through the lens of emotions.

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Signal — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 04:36:02 GMT

I give it 50/50 chance for Verazano

to run in the Traver, and no chance

to seehim in the Breeders'cup classic, It too tough for him.

As the matter of fact I will predict that he will retire to Coolmore in October to follow

the same path of Uncle Mo and hope to fine few dummies to pay 35,000

to send their mare to them.

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Mary Zinke — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 04:33:15 GMT

Del Mar, r6, Thursday, 8/1, #2 Fury.

But, then, likely to get bet down.

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Sam Santschi — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 03:09:01 GMT

All this hype for a horse who beat second stringers in Tampa, Vyjack twice and an injured IMLD and sore Oxbow...Astonishing. Of course we'll see what happens on the track.

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Rusty Weisner — Wed, 31 Jul 2013 01:42:08 GMT

Ranagulzion,

Not writing her off, just pointing out her performance at Gulfstream put her out.

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Ranagulzion — Tue, 30 Jul 2013 22:24:06 GMT

Jersey Boy,

We seldom agree but I share your estimation of Verrazano. I'd go further and say that on grass he'd look a lot like the great Frankel at this same stage of the latter's career ...now do we part company on this point? (LOL)

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Ranagulzion — Tue, 30 Jul 2013 22:19:17 GMT

Rusty,

Don't you write off Dreaming of Julia just yet ...hopefully she can return in time for the Breeder's Cup to redeem herself. I still belueve that she's the best 3YO filly of this crop.

By the way, I fancy Successful Dan to humble Fort Larned in the Whitney with Mucho Macho man as his main danger ...it should be a very good race.

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JerseyBoy — Tue, 30 Jul 2013 22:06:03 GMT

Here are the top figures for the top four 3yo colts for races run on a dry dirt track at a mile or longer this year.

I add the DRF Speed Figs to the Track Variant.

Orb (weight 116lbs)--------104

Verrazano (twice 120,118)--111

Palace Malice (123) -------109

Oxbow (116)----------------107

How good is Verrazano?

I stick with my statement made on these blogs on March 13:

“He looks like a bigger and more relaxed version of Seattle Slew. The question now is whether he will be effective at 12 furlongs.”

I now add that if they tried him on firm grass, with his electric turn of foot, he would be unbeatable up to 10 furlongs.

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Coldfacts — Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:33:42 GMT

"He thinks Verrazano is a freak"

After Verrazano's victory in the TB Derby the trainer of the runner up Mr. McPeek labeled him a freak.

The freak went to the Wood and scramble home and blew up in the Derby.

Did the trainers of Curlin and Hard Spun label Any Given Saturday a 'Freak' when he destroyed both colts in the 2007 Haskell?

Were Uncle Mo & Union Rags freaks?

"obviously you don't regard Beyer Speed figures."

Correct! A horse is as good as it last race. I prefer to closely examine the physical appearance of horses prior to the start of races. The information garnered from same reveals far more than Beyers.

"You keep harping on the comparative running times of different years and track conditions"

In 44 out of 46 years the Haskell has been run in less than 1:50. The fact that the super talented Verrazano did not break 1:50 is insignificant and can be explained by a host of variables.

"Stay with your BOW analysis and I'll watch the quality of Verrazano's performances"

If 1:50.68 is a quality performance then my passion in in the wrong place.

If there was a voted right now for champion 3YO male, who do you think would get the award?

A colt whose Beyer figures have begun to soar towards the stratosphere or the colt with the best BOW?

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Rusty Weisner — Tue, 30 Jul 2013 20:35:17 GMT

Ranagulzion,

Don't wish Fort Larned on Verrazano just yet. He'll end up like Take Charge Indy.