TimeformUS Sunday Stakes Plays: The Spinaway and the Del Mar Derby

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Mary Zinke — Sun, 08 Sep 2013 09:18:22 GMT

Fairplex day 3: r7, #9 Baby Tate.

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Mary Zinke — Sat, 07 Sep 2013 04:04:06 GMT

At least KY had a very nice win today. Big congrats!

Fairplex race 4 was a mess. Still not sold on this track, but I'll try to find a winner for Saturday.

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Plod Boy Phil — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 21:13:34 GMT

"not a one horse gal"

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Plod Boy Phil — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 18:41:23 GMT

Xxcellent derby gal

I know you are not a horse gal, so this is a pleasant surprise.

Good luck on Day 1 of 18.

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derbygal — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 18:31:12 GMT

Fairplex (BSR) R6 10 Miss Conception. May not be the one, but will give her a try anyway.

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Plod Boy Phil — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 18:07:52 GMT

Churchill Race 9

2 Saint X (5/2), a Coldfacts favorite MSW runner back in quarter one of 2013, looks of live repeat threat off an upgrade carrying win at EP.

Slow developer putting it together now.

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Plod Boy Phil — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:39:50 GMT

Mary -

Well said, that.

Have some fun - FAIR UP

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Plod Boy Phil — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:38:52 GMT

Rusty -

As I do, I treat it all the same- just horses running around an oval.

Same rules apply, plus, we make a mean Fpx Flow figure, which helps with the multiple horses that run twice at the meet.

It's been a personal favorite for a few years - a great respite from the dog days of August six days a week schedule.

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Mary Zinke — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:21:52 GMT

wth, It takes more time to type out all of that stuff than to pick a horse out of the whole Friday Fairplex card. No one's going to come into your living room and harass you if you stink at this. Have some fun.

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Rusty Weisner — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:50:34 GMT

Plod Boy Phil,

I won't be participating, but would like to hear if others have special insights on handicapping a bullring track. I played a few races at Charles Town for the first time this year and might like to try again, better knowing what to look for.

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Coldfacts — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 13:45:05 GMT

Summer Bird a chestnut sired by the diminutive Belmont winner Birdstone won the Belmont (G1,Bel,12f),, JCGC (Bel,10f), Travers (Sar,10f). He also finished 4th in the Breeder Cup Classic.

Birdrun a chestnut sired by the diminutive Belmont winner Birdstone won the Won Brooklyn H. (G2,Bel,12f), Greenwood Cup S.(Prx,12f) 2nd Breeders' Cup Marathon (G2,CD,14F), One Count S. (Bel,10f) Birdrun also set the 8.5F Track Record of 1:39.38 at Belmont Park

Why the history overview?

The diminutive Belmont winner Birdstone has sired another promising chestnut that will face 11 other starters in the 8.5F Iroquios. The colt goes by the name Stonecrusher. He has made two starts to date with both being at 8F. Interestingly they were 21 days apart which is close for a 2YO whose debut was at 8F. He finished 2nd by 1L in his debut effort and 3rd by 1 3/4L in his 2nd start.

From close observation this colt does not look comfortable on turf but was none the less competitive on both occasions. Whereas his sire needs no introduction, his dam sire Preakness winner Gate Dancer should have broodmares that are capable of producing champions.

Gate Dancer was sired by Sovereign Dancer a son of Northern Dancer. The ND broodmare line is the best in TC history. Gate Dancer’s dam was sired by Bull Lea who sired Derby winners Citation, Hail Gail and Iron Liege Bull Lea was also leading broodmare sire in North America (1958, 1959, 1960, 1961). By extension Gate Dancer should have tremendous potential as a broodmare sire.

I know it does not work that way.

Stonecrusher has recorded two encouraging efforts in 8F races on a surface he clearly does not relish. He will make his dirt debut at 8.5F in the Iroquios. At a ML of 20-1 he appears to be an ideal colt for exotic wagers.

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Coldfacts — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 11:29:52 GMT

It is indeed amazing that some contributors have dedicated their every efforts to be nasty.

I feel immense sadness for such individuals as is must take an enormous amount of negative energy to power such a philosophy.

I absolutely believe the time of a human can be better spent.

Sad!

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Coldfacts — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 11:24:05 GMT

Mary,

I do all of my wagering at an Off Track wagering facility. I do not travel around with an electronic device that has the capability to access the Internet.

To make post after post parade evaluations is just not possible under my system.

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KY VET — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 23:31:50 GMT

no question who is the biggest "rear" on this blog........

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Plod Boy Phil — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 23:19:22 GMT

HANDICAP the FAIR.

It's so unlike any meet offered at a major circuit that it behooves players, especially those with access to free PPs of any type, to take a gander at the FAIR card each day of the meet.

What makes it special for me is the fact that in a bullring setting, a large number of the entrants are runners that we recognize from the other three SoCal tracks (two now).

Pick a Winner at the FAIR.

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Mary Zinke — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 18:55:19 GMT

Ha,ha, That's Bares Tripper to pass the Jockey Club.

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Mary Zinke — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 17:33:08 GMT

Coldfacts, I get that you guys enjoy teasing the heck out of each other, and I know what you mean about not being able to post some good picks if they are made just a few minutes to post time. As far as factors not included in PPs go, I check out the magnificent be-hinds of the Cali horses, particularly the sprinters. Whichever one has the best rump, I include that one at least in a real or virtual super. Many, many times best rear wins. Sorry, no hard statistics on that.

Phil, I'll take the 1, Bare Stripper in r9 on Friday at Fairplex(Barrett's Race Meet At Fairplex). Found it under B instead of F.

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Coldfacts — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 14:11:10 GMT

Mary Zinke,

My colleagues think that I am either genius or I listen to horse whispers. This due to the extra ordinary amount of times I have wager on winners just by evaluating their demeanors and physical appearances.

This is not attempt to toot my own horn, but I believe I have the uncanning ability to select horses that will be competitive by viewing certain factors during post parades.

I am unable to post a litany of likely winners on this or any other blog as that is not my strong point. I applauded those who are capable of proposing winners from studying PPs, exercise reports and reviewing videos.

I will give my views on a particular horse in certain cases. However, this is not done in sufficient quantity or regularity for me to rack-up a record reflecting large numbers of winners.

It therefore makes no sense for anyone to highlight my dismal win record, when for me to have an opposite record would defy the law of averages.

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Mary Zinke — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 03:33:59 GMT

I believe he just had Alpha, KY. Good last day at Del Mar for me, but I posted at h r n. Nice Futurity win for Tamarando and The Big Guy. I'd rather post at Ed's blogs because he's my pal, but I'll find the Fairplex entries and try to unlock a winner complete with jockey. I can post at the Timeform blogs if that is preferred, since it's Phil's contest. C'mon, KY. You know you can beat everyone.

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Plod Boy Phil — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 23:07:01 GMT

FAIRPLEX CONTEST - Day 1, Sept 6

Race 2) 6 Spring Dream

Fairplex One a Day Contest

Pick one horse per day of the meet.

Scoring is cumulative for the 18 day meeting.

If you miss a day, no big deal, there are 17 other selections tp carry the mail for you

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Plod Boy Phil — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 22:53:54 GMT

Del Mar Futurity

8 California Chrome (6-1) is a fair price near the ML to repeat his big race in open company today as he ran through a speed favoring flow to win going away. I'm betting he's both very talented and very good, now.

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Coldfacts — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 22:46:53 GMT

Let me state again as I have stated before,I rarely post picks as I prefer to make selections after a post parade.

The physical condition and body language of a horse can indicate how it will perform far more than PPs and exercise reports.

This year I have cashed tickets from trifectas that have cumulatively paid over $40,000. None of the horses comprising theses wagers were posted a picks on Unlocking Winners.

It is not what I do. I have to see the animal on which I am going to wager my hard earned cash.

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derbygal — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 19:20:18 GMT

Del Mar closing day. Going to try some longer shots in Race 8, the Del Mar Futurity.

W/P/S and a exacta box on,

6 Alpine Luck

7 Rum Point

10 Tamarando

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KY VET — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 19:13:21 GMT

mary....busy busy...yea 3rd horse 1/2 owner....i'll post my picks when coldcuts picks a winner.......i'd say about 2 years.........

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Coldfacts — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 12:59:41 GMT

Alpha has 6 victories to his credit and only two were achieved on a sloppy track. He has only contested 5 races as a 4YO. He showed enough promise as a 3YO to suggest that further improvement was possible as a 4YO.

Many A P Indy line horses improve significantly as 4YOs. G1 winners Ron The Greek and Flat Out are from the A P Indy sire line and they were never top class 3YOs. They showed significant improvement as older horses.

Alpha was only beaten 7L in his first 2 starts as a 4YO in the US. As specified he was not fit enough to win either race. Alpha carries the genes of the great Nijinsky ll via his dam and he could be a much improved horse as a 4YO.

Time will tell.