TimeformUS Saturday Plays from Gulfstream, Tampa Bay and Santa Anita

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KY VET — Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:19:19 GMT

bodemeister and i'll have another were very good horses.....i did say bode peaked....i'll have another i was worried about....he was off layoff.....i.e.peaked means too many good races w no layoff.....you get the wrong message.....when i say peaked, it means a really good horse....that is a strong contender........not a horse with no shot to win........they both were very good......im a professional handicapper....you have to be able to separate the key contenders........i know what im doing...........like saying shared belief wont win the derby........prob. not even run in the race......

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Carlos in Cali — Fri, 31 Jan 2014 02:22:52 GMT

Somebody please remind the Vet what he thought of both I'll Have Another and Bodemeister in Feb/Mar 2yrs. ago, since he thinks he can spot talent and knows horses...

OK,I can't wait...

He said the weren't Derby-types and had already peaked.

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Rusty Weisner — Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:48:32 GMT

And KY VET provides the correct answer to a trick question.

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Brontexx — Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:49:01 GMT

RE POST 1st posted January 27 at 6:15PM

Heres why I played Pioneer of the Nile in the 2009 Kentucky Derby and was able to collect on his 2nd place in the Derby also the future bet exacta,courtesy of Horse Racing Nation:

Cairo Prince’s sire Pioneerof The Nile gave notice as a colt to watch on the Kentucky Derby trail with a determined nose victory in the 20008 CashCall Futurity over I Want Revenge. The following year, the son of Empire Maker swept the California prep races, earning victories in the Robert B. Lewis, San Felipe and Santa Anita Derby. Sent to the post of the Kentucky Derby at odds of 6-1, Pioneerof The Nile looked like a winner at the top of the stretch, but was passed on the inside by Mine That Bird. The game colt held on for second by a nose over Musket Man on the tiring, sloppy track. Pioneerof The Nile was again 6-1 in the Preakness, but was eased during the race and finished eleventh. He suffered a tendon injury and was retired in July of 2009.

Heres his race record in 2009 and I still believe he was the best horse in the 2009 Kentucky Derby

1st – Santa Anita Derby (G-1) 1 1/8 miles

1st – Cash Call Futurity (G-1) 1 1/16 miles

1st – Robert B. Lewis S. (G-2) 1 1/16 miles

1st – San Felipe S. (G-2) 1 1/16 miles

2nd – Kentucky Derby (G-1) 1 ¼ miles

3rd – Breeders’ Futurity S. (G-1) 1 1/16 miles

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Brontexx — Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:47:22 GMT

My mistake two of those preps were GR2 and two GR1,still when is the last time a colt has entered the gate of the Kentucky Derby with 4 straight wins 2 of them GR1 and two Gr2 and goes off at 6-1.

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Brontexx — Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:45:09 GMT

KY VET good answer but look at his record 4 grade ones in a row,beat the morning line favorite I Want Revenge in the Cash Call at the age of 2.Whens the last time you saw a record like that coming in to the Kentucky Derby and he goes off at 6-1.

Its obvious to those familiar with California racing and the tracks, and the changes that have taken place in the last decade.

Thats not the answer if I tell you the answer then it wouldnt be a question,it would be a statement.

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KY VET — Wed, 29 Jan 2014 01:54:00 GMT

from 23 to 1.......to number 1 rated derby contender.......horse improves twice since i bet him.....and the guy thinks I'm the idiot........it's about spotting talent, knowing horses.........the horse can lose the derby by a nose......and the idiot will proclaim "i Told you he had NO chance!"..........

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KY VET — Wed, 29 Jan 2014 01:47:54 GMT

allow me to be capt obvious........pioneer of the nile was 6 to 1 because it was a huge field.......he was one of the favorites........

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Brontexx — Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:58:56 GMT

Rusty Weisner close, but I used Beyer because his figures and especially making new pars was in my opinion a reason he was so against California horses.

Remember I Want Revenge, Pioneer of the Nile defeated him in Cali, and he was the morning line favorite for the 2009 KD before his scratch.Wrote this because this is another facet of this story.If Pioneer wins that Derby it could have had an affect on Cali tracks moving forward.

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Rusty Weisner — Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:41:16 GMT

Brontexx,

P.O.T.'s odds? My guess -- a California horse on a muddy track, demonstrating the overrated, and definitely overplayed, factor of "off-track-form".

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Brontexx — Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:20:58 GMT

I have a question for the blog Why did this colt that won 4 grade 1 preps go off at 6-1 in the KD.

PS if Andrew Beyer was around maybe he could answer this although he is getting long in the tooth.

He defended his position that POTN would run up the track while I assured him that a colt that likes to win so much would have a chance to win on the DRF answer question before the Derby or should I say DRF Arguement hour(law degree for AB?)

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Brontexx — Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:01:07 GMT

Eventhough Pioneer of The Nile lost the Kentucky Derby to Mine That Bird I still believe he was the best horse in the race and ran so hard that I believe he ran injured in the Preakness although maybe the full extent of his injury was not discovered until eased in the Preakness.

Everyone has heard it said the best horse dosent always win IMO that was the case in the 2009 KD.

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Brontexx — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:15:49 GMT

Heres why I played Pioneer of the Nile in the 2009 Kentucky Derby and was able to collect on his 2nd place in the Derby also the future bet exacta,courtesy of Horse Racing Nation:

Heres his race record in 2009 and I still believe he was the best horse in the 2009 Kentucky Derby

1st – Santa Anita Derby (G-1) 1 1/8 miles

1st – Cash Call Futurity (G-1) 1 1/16 miles

1st – Robert B. Lewis S. (G-2) 1 1/16 miles

1st – San Felipe S. (G-2) 1 1/16 miles

2nd – Kentucky Derby (G-1) 1 ¼ miles

3rd – Breeders’ Futurity S. (G-1) 1 1/16 miles

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Brontexx — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:46:55 GMT

More info on The Withers courtesy of Brisnet:

PP Horse A/S M/E Wgt Jockey Trainer

1 Uncle Sigh 3 C L 116 Morales Pablo Contessa Gary C.

2 Street Gent 3 C L 116 Ortiz, Jr. Irad Gyarmati Leah

3 Scotland 3 C L 116 Carmouche Kendrick Dutrow Anthony W.

4 Classic Giacnroll 3 C L 116 Velasquez Cornelio H. Guerrero Lisa

5 Samraat 3 C L 118 Ortiz Jose L. Violette, Jr. Richard A.

6 Honorable Judge 3 C L 118 Bisono John Reid, Jr. Robert E.

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Brontexx — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:21:09 GMT

WITHERS LINEUP NO MORNING LINE YET

1.Uncle Sigh

2.Street Gent

3.Scotland

4.Classic Giacnroll

5.Samraat

6.Honorable Judge

Coldfacts do you need to see the PPs or are you ready to make your selection?

The Colt you picked in the Jerome is in the field,if you are sticking with him post it.

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Brontexx — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:09:58 GMT

MUMS THE WORD UNTIL THE WITHERS

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Brontexx — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:09:49 GMT

MUMS THE WORD UNTIL THE WITHERS

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Brontexx — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:08:55 GMT

Still stuck on the same,havent gone to HD yet.MUMS THE WORD UNTIL THE WITHERS.

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Coldfacts — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:13:09 GMT

Coldfacts I stated Oxbow was the best racehorse in the TC SERIES not the KD."

Oxbow was unplaced in the Derby; won the Preakness and 3rd in the Belmont.

Orb won the Derby; finished 4th in the Preakness and 3rd in the Belmont.

What would a these cold fact expressed in figures reveal? Do the figures below lie?

Orb: 1-4-3

Oxbow: 0-1-2

The zero above signifies that Oxbow did not contribute to the win, place, show, exacta and trifecta dividends.

Are you remotely aware that Orb's total earning from the TC series exceeded those of Oxbow?

In every measure Orb comes out ahead.

There is no man blinder than the one who refuses to see!

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Coldfacts — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:00:59 GMT

Brontexx,

You were the one that raised the issue of the best horse in the 2013 Derby, I did not.

I have tried to engage you despite your obvious limitations and instead of Learning how to communicate like an intelligent adult you have resorted to further expose your lack of intelligence.

This concludes the exchanges between us.

Good Luck.

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Coldfacts — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:53:35 GMT

"Coldfacts I stated Oxbow was the best racehorse in the TC SERIES not the KD."

Oxbow was unplaced in the Derby; won the Preakness and 3rd in the Belmont.

Orb won the Derby; finished 4th in the Preakness and 3rd in the Belmont.

What would a these cold fact expressed in figures reveal? Do the figures below lie?

Orb: 1-4-3

Oxbow: 0-1-2

The zero above signifies that Oxbow did not contribute to the win, place, show, exacta and trifecta dividesa.

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Brontexx — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:18:13 GMT

MUMS THE WORD UNTIL THE WITHERS UNLESS THERE IS A REBUTTAL.

Rusty Weisner dont get him tapping on his keyboard until the Withers where he will be able to prove his knowledge by choosing the winner.The name of this blog is Unlocking Winners.Coldfacts go to Home Depot and buy some 3in1 oil and lubricate your lockcutters but please give your keyboard a LAYOFF.

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Brontexx — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:13:39 GMT

Coldfacts I stated Oxbow was the best racehorse in the TC SERIES not the KD.

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Brontexx — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:11:41 GMT

Coldfacts here are the facts or the HARDTRUTHS Orb won the Derby he came in 4th in the Preakness and 3rd in the Belmont.What his record was coming in to the KD has no bearing on the facts of where he finished in the TC races.

Oxbow came in 6th in the KD 1st in the Preakness and 2nd in the Belmont.

As I have stated my opinion is that Oxbow was the better Triple Crown racehorse because I think he was compromised by the pace in the Derby, eventhough the fact is 6+1+2=9 vs 1+4+3=8 Orb on the basis of his placings in the TC beat Oxbow by 1.In the actual races Oxbow took the LEAD IN ALL THREE RACES while Orb only took the lead in the one that he finished 1st.He was a non factor TO WIN I REAPEAT TO WIN after the Derby.If you as many others want to give him a lot more credit in the series of races on the basis of his winning the KD I can understand that.Why cant you understand my point of view without defending yours.Lets see what you will post next.

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Coldfacts — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:04:25 GMT

Rusty Weisner,

Is my assumption correct that you are endorsing Brontexx claim the Oxbow was the best horse in the Derby? Was he the best horse in the G1 AK Derby where he finished 5th?

Are you remotely aware that of the 19 starters, Oxbow entered the Derby with the worst finish in a final Derby Prep? Every other starter finished 4th or better in their final prep.

Lots of contributors hate me because I fail to understand their positions and opinions. How can any ration thinking person come to the conclusion that Oxbow was the best horse in the Derby? I consider myself measured and rational.

He entered the race with Oxbow had the worst placing in a final Derby prep.

He had a good trip on a sloppy track similar to the ones Lion Heart and Smarty Jones had. He just could not find extra in the last 2F.

Four horses that were behind him and taking a lot of mud ran passed him in the stretch.

It is incomprehensible that anyone would either formulate or endorse such an opinion.

What am I missing?