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Brontexx — Wed, 05 Mar 2014 20:16:32 GMT

Coldfacts you can refer to me as a Brontexologist sounds a lot better than being a pupil of an old Washington Post scribe.I assume I can consider you a Coldfactsologist.

BTW I consider myself a specialist in Triple Crownenomics.

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Brontexx — Wed, 05 Mar 2014 19:56:19 GMT

Coldfacts I will say this for you you have mastered the way to argue the opinions of others in a less direct way.I am more direct that you are in writing,let me borrow your style for a minute here is what you wrote:

I cite specific sections of a contributor’s submissions to highlight either the specific point or issue I am addressing. It is not done to highlight incorrectness.

When you write specific point you are addressing it means in a brash way the specific point YOU ARE CONTESTING,if you do not admit this then you are in denial sir.

As far as being a pupil of KY VET he is a Beyer methodologist.I have my own methodology so why would I copy a methodologist that is available to all that buy a copy or acquire a copy of DRF.

I never stated that I despised neither you or KY VET if you wish to contest this specific point you wont be able to copy it from ANY post I have made.

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Coldfacts — Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:05:48 GMT

Brontexx,

Your assumption is incorrect. I cite specific sections of a contributor’s submissions to highlight either the specific point or issue I am addressing. It is not done to highlight incorrectness.

I am at a loss as to why you have this tendency to attack me. Are you a pupil of the KY VET? You have accused me of having politician tendencies. You have recommended that I visit Home Depot to secure supplies. I would like you to pause and assess if those thoughts represents someone that is equip to engage in meaningful exchanges.

Disrespect of another doesn’t reflect strength but rather a major weakness. It is unlikely that you will learn anything form those you despise. However, there are many other contributors whose communication skills you can adopt.

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Brontexx — Tue, 04 Mar 2014 23:03:19 GMT

Coldfacts if I wanted to emulate you I would go to Steve Haskins Derby Dozen and copy parts or all he wrote about Top Billing and pick it apart.

Then again he or one of his assistants might e-mail me or confront me on the blog directly, and read me my rights (so to speak)of course I wouldnt take any roadsides or blow into any machine,but on this blog I dont think it would matter capiche.

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Brontexx — Tue, 04 Mar 2014 22:55:39 GMT

Coldfacts you have this habit of copying parts of the text of the person you are posting to and it makes it seem like those parts that you copy are wrong and your reply is correct.

I have to tell you the only facts involved in this game are parts of history such as PPs.To excel at picking winners or making winning bets you have to take these parts of history and project what will happen next.

These people on this blog (including me)are sharing their projections for the colts they think will win the toughest race in the World(or one of the toughest)

Their is not a right answer or opinion until after the race is run.So when you copy parts of what I write and use facts to try and dissuade me from my opinion it leads to retribution, because as I wrote the facts are history the future is speculation, with a high dose of opinion.

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Coldfacts — Tue, 04 Mar 2014 16:39:34 GMT

I concur East Hall is not fashionably bred. But neither were Lil E Tee, Gaicomo and Gato Del Sol. With the size of stallion and broodmare populations in the US, there is always the possibility of an unfashionably bred champion.

His sire Graeme Hall is a grandson of Deputy Minister. To some he is an insignificant and non-performing sire. His best offspring is possibly millionaire Duke Of Mischief. Deputy Minister sire BCC winner Awesome Again and Belmont winner Touch Gold. He was also dam sire of Sarava, Jazil, Rags To Riches and Curlin. Add to the list Champion Open Mind and one has to think that a tail descendent of Deputy Minister should be capable of being a decent sire.

His son Awesome Again sired BCC winner Ghostzapper and Preakness winner Oxbow. His grandson Ghostzapper is the sire of Hear The Ghost who has a good chance beating WTC and MMM in The Big Cap.

East Hall’s dam was unraced and is an unknown quantity. Lightly raced and unraced mares have a record of producing champions. His dam sire Sultry Song was a millionaire router who won 10F races at Arlington/Hollywood Park and 9F races at Saratoga/Belmont.

Graeme Hall is tail descendant of a line that has produced the winner of 18 Triple Crown races. Sultry Song is tail descendent of a broodmare line that has produced the winners of 10 TC races. There is history of success in the sire and dam line of East Hall. In light of this cold fact, anything is possible.

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Coldfacts — Tue, 04 Mar 2014 16:02:49 GMT

Brontexx,

You have my sincere apology for assuming that respectful and meaning exchanges were possible with you. It was a serious blunder on my path.

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Brontexx — Mon, 03 Mar 2014 18:08:31 GMT

Coldfacts I dont know what you are writing about, the parts of your text that I copied were addressed to me.Futhermore if you think that I dont use tact when addressing you then the easiest way to avoid the back and forth is to ignore me.

When you copy parts of what I post on here and pick it apart, you are opening yourself up for retribution or do you think that you run this blog.

Look forward to your reply.

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Coldfacts — Mon, 03 Mar 2014 14:23:05 GMT

Brontexx,

"That is the point you once again tried to twist the facts to suit your needs, much like politicians do."

Your confrontational nature is always revealed in your writing. This forum provides an opportunity for meaningful exchanges of views, information and ideas. Agreement with said views, information and ideas is not a requirement. The unwritten rule of respect is.

"Don't you know that everyone on here knows that is what you do"

I merely responded to a blogger's opinion of a particular colt. I was not the only contributor that responded. In your urgency to be offensive you might have missed the fact that the pedigree issue was raised by the blogger to whom I directed my response.

If you found my comments without merit then you had the option to bypass them. Going forwards, if you chose to engage me, kindly do so with decorum.

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Brontexx — Mon, 03 Mar 2014 11:57:25 GMT

Coldfacts Brontexx,

You highlighted the generational gap but you did not specify a point That is the point,you once again tried to twist the facts to suit your needs, much like polititians do.Dont you know that everyone on here knows that is what you do.I know you study pedigrees, and maybe you should be involved in this game in that aspect.I like to win bets, and pick winners, with whatever it takes.I dont need to twist any facts to support my opinions.I bet my opinions on my ADW accounts.

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Brontexx — Mon, 03 Mar 2014 00:22:43 GMT

Ranagulzion RE Tapiture and Top Billing, Ill wait for an answer from their next race results,much like the trainers state, Ill let him tell me when hes ready.

BTW Tapiture IMO was a better proposition at 17-1 in the last futures vs Top Billing at 11-1.I also prefer Shugs more accomplished competitor Honor Code who closed at 11-1.

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Brontexx — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 23:23:41 GMT

KY VET next year they can have Moby Dick and Captain Ahab.

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Ranagulzion — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 23:22:49 GMT

Coldfacts: East Hall isn't fashionably bred but is the type of horse that will be consistently picking up the pieces ...good for your exotic wagers but not a winning factor when the big guns show up for the big dance.

KY Vet: In the Southwest Stakes, Tapiture didn't keep a straight course at the top of the stretch but he eventually straightened out and finished full of run. Was it the minor 'zig zag' that sent your 'unsoundness alarm' off?

Brontexx: I'll let Top Billing answer you in his next outing.

I've been taking a loser look at the Kentuck Derby aspirants lately and am also liking a lot the Calfornians, Caliornia Chrome and Kobe's Back especially the former. I have a gut feeling that California Chrome is going to be throwing down the gauntlet when next out and could become the top dog out there, whether or not Shared Belief show up.

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Brontexx — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 22:55:32 GMT

KY VET Its kind of funny that you choose Harpoon and Vicars in Trouble to drop the anchor on, These two could be the NAMES ON FISHING BOATS.

When the Beyer metodology causes you to look in the cookie jar its time for esoteric meanderings to backers of Dialed In.

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Brontexx — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 22:39:01 GMT

KY VET Its kind of funny that you choose Harpoon and Vicars in Trouble to drop the anchor on, These two could be the NAMES ON FISHING BOATS.

When the Beyer metodology causes you to look in the cookie jar its time for esoteric meanderings to backers of Dialed In.

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Brontexx — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 21:43:29 GMT

KY VET TAP has shot his wad, Nasrullah's tail wont be able to help him squirt thru on the inside in the next one.

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KY VET — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 20:07:21 GMT

ranag...i cant tell ya my secret....ive said vicars in trouble.....harpoon....and tapiture look like they have problems.....vicar stopped like he was shot, harpoon dint run good.....now lets see if tap runs bad......

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Coldfacts — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:44:21 GMT

Ranagulzion,

I concur with your assessment of Tapiture’s pedigree. He is also one of a handful of horses on the Derby trail that have two graded stakes wins. I have not seen Olympio featured as the dam sire of many top class horses. However, there is some positive TC history associated broodmare sires who are tail descendants of Nasrulla.

In the last 50 years the dams of 15 winners of Triple Crown races were sired by tail descendants of Nasrullah. Caro the dam sire of Winning Colors was a great grandson of Nasrullah. Olympio was also a great grandson of Nasrullah.

Tapiture’s ability is not in question. His sire line is associated with 19 winners of TC races with two in the last 3 years. His dam sire line is also associated with 15 winners of TC races. Ability plus positive history is a powerful formula for Derby success.

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Coldfacts — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:03:42 GMT

Brontexx,

You highlighted the generational gap but you did not specify a point. Just about every sire and dam sire line trace back to Phalaris 1913. In the last 50 years 19 horses whose sires trace back to Nasrullah have won Triple Crown races. Winning Color and A P Indy were the only two of the 19 whose sire and dam sire were both tail descendant of Nasrullah. Whereas tails descendants can go back several generations, no one accurately knows the extent to which Nasrullah influence diminishes through generations.

I sand corrected, probably some folks can accurately identify the generation where the influence of a major stallion diminishes and ceases entirely.

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Coldfacts — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 14:41:55 GMT

Ranagulzion,

Top Billing has a similar running style to Dialed In a past favorite of yours. Dialed In won the Holy Bull and FL Derby closing from far back with his signature electrifying turn of foot. However, on Derby day with 126Lbs and a deep Churchill Downs track he could not get back to the high cruisers with the ability to accelerate from close to the pace. It is always unwise to assume that the leaders will decelerate sufficiently for the closer to capitalize. That likelihood is contingent on the leaders being cheap speed opponents.

With me being the exception, nobody has posted a comment about the 4th place finished in the FOY. He had the worst draw of any of the FOY entrants and close form the furthest back. East Hall has been of the board 9 out of 11 starts with his widest margin of defeat experienced in the FOY. Based on his draw that margin can be excused. He was only 41/2L behind Top Billing. He was 72-1. Talk about chopped liver!

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Coldfacts — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 14:38:48 GMT

Ranagulzion,

To some extent I have to agree with the comment that Top Billing has been prematurely awarded the Derby #1 spot by many including the very learned Steve Haskin. He is a very nice colt with an electrifying turn of foot but the Derby crop of 2014 has some seriously fast horses that appear to be able to carry their speed.

Top Billing is yet to win a graded race and the speculation is that he just needs a better draw and more ground to being seen at his best. The success of really good ones never hinges on ideal conditions. They normally make their own success by overcoming adversities.

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Brontexx — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 13:13:52 GMT

Ranagulzion Top Billing has gotten the attention of the media, and until he finally proves either how good he is or not he will be bet mostly on hype,if you think this is coming from an amatuer that is your opinion.

The fact is Commissioner beat him fair and square and Commissioner, has not been eliminated entirely.

I would like if Top Billing makes it to the KD by running another race where he finishes 3rd or 4th and all the pundits continue to sell him based on editorial mish mash(he ran his last so and so in etc)

If Top Billing dosent win his next prep and goes into the gate as the favorite or one of the favorites after the race the media will finally come to its senses.Orb ran last year and thats history.

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Ranagulzion — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 03:47:34 GMT

Brontexx: Strong Mandate was a short horse in the Southwest and should improve off that run but I still can't see him turning the tables on Tapiture at level weights from here on.

As for Top Billing, he ran a very good race in the FOY against the track bias and against two very good colts in General a Rod and Wildcat Red. Asking who he's beaten sounds amateurish. He's a superior proposition than Commissioner for the Kentucky Derby.

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Brontexx — Sat, 01 Mar 2014 23:42:14 GMT

Ranagulzion Tapiture is in the gate with the 22 points he has already, but I havent added him because as they run longer in tougher races Im not convinced he will come out of Arkansas on top.If he beats Strong Mandate in the rubber match, their 3rd race against each other then I will ad him to my Derby futures,Strong Mandate beat him at Saratoga in a MSW.

As for Top Billing he was beat by Commissioner at 9 panels so just because he got 3rd in the FOY who has he beat.

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Ranagulzion — Sat, 01 Mar 2014 22:38:34 GMT

KY Vet: What sign of unsoundness have you seen in Tapiture? He's a beautiful colt and a good mover as far as I can see. I think that he's a major force coming out of Oaklawn Park ...the one they all have to beat out there (that includes my #1 Derby horse Honor Code).

Tapiture is growing on me.

Coldfacts: Tapiture has a very stout pedigree for the Derby distance. His broodmare sire Olympio was a good router and his second dam Spin n Win has impeccable inbreeding to major classic influences Nasrullah, Hyperion and blue hen broodmares, La Troinne (via through Numbered Account), and Selene (via her sons Pharamond, Sickle -grandsire of Native Dancer- and the great one, Hyperion, himself). Tapiture has a very bright future in the breeding shed and I think that he's going to enhance his future value with being a major factor in the Triple Crown races. Having examined his credentials including his affinity for Churchill Downs, I'm prepared to rank him right now at #4 behind Honor Code, Shared Belief and Top Billing for the Kentucky Derby.