Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

-Keelerman — Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:05:43 GMT

Thanks for the congratulations, Brontexx! I see Little Bill answered most of your questions about the size of each track, but as for Sunland Park, it's also a one-mile oval.

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

Little Bill — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:28:42 GMT

Aq outer 1 1/8.

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

Little Bill — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:02:55 GMT

It's an open forum. I figured a response from anybody would be better than none. The inactive tracks is a DRF thing, a stupid one. SA is a mile oval.

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

Brontexx — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:45:50 GMT

Little Bill Aqueduct,SA,and Sunland are not active links in the list you provided.

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

Brontexx — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:41:32 GMT

Little Bill do you have the last 3 sheets figures for the top twenty KD contenders?

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Brontexx — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:40:40 GMT

Little Bill TY thats twice you have replied to a question for Keelerman,if you are not his assistant maybe you should be.

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Little Bill — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 02:26:55 GMT

www.drf.com/.../track-information

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Brontexx — Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:49:34 GMT

Keelerman btw congrats on picking Dynamic Impact in the derby yesterday I had him underneath Midnight Hawk but I didnt bet because of his odds(MH) and lack of payoff for him in 2nd.

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

Brontexx — Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:46:30 GMT

Keelerman now that I know you dont have the sheet figures getting back to the distance from where the track turn begins to the finish line on each oval,you provided the fact that SA and Keen are one mile ovals what about the rest of the tracks that you provided the stretch distances do you know the basic oval for each.I dont get the racing manual.

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

-Keelerman — Sat, 19 Apr 2014 17:54:11 GMT

Brontexx;

I'm afraid I don't have the Thoro-Graph figures either. But I recall that someone recently asked Dan Illman of DRF.com for the Thoro-Graph figures of the Derby contenders, and he referenced them to Thoro-Graph's website, so you might be able to find them there.

Here's a link to Dan Illman's blog post: www.drf.com/.../baker-cooks-calder

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

Brontexx — Sat, 19 Apr 2014 17:41:12 GMT

Keelerman how about thorograph figs last 3.I have asked Steve Haskin on Derby Dozen no answer

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

-Keelerman — Sat, 19 Apr 2014 15:20:25 GMT

Brontexx;

I'm afraid I don't have any Ragozin numbers for the Derby contenders, but you might ask Steve Haskin -- he includes Ragozin numbers in his Derby Dozen from time to time, and perhaps he could point you in the right direction.

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

Brontexx — Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:07:39 GMT

-Keelerman do you have the last three Ragozin figures for the top twenty three?

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-Keelerman — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:44:48 GMT

Just in case anyone is still reading these comments, I've got a new weekend post up covering the Charles Town Classic and Lexington Stakes. You can find it here: cs.bloodhorse.com/.../the-dude-returns-to-charles-town.aspx

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

TnT — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:45:32 GMT

Thanks

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

-Keelerman — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:27:03 GMT

TnT;

I went back through old Daily Racing Form past performances searching for the Tomlinson wet-track figures, and I was able to find them for all of the Derby contenders except California Chrome and Hoppertunity. I'll keep searching for those figures, but for the moment, here are the wet-track figures for the rest of the potential Derby starters:

Chitu - 426

Candy Boy - 415

Tapiture - 411

Uncle Sigh - 402

Ride On Curlin - 401

Danza - 398

Social Inclusion - 397*

Intense Holiday - 396

General a Rod - 396

Vinceremos - 394*

Cairo Prince - 391*

Ring Weekend - 386

Harry's Holiday - 384

Wildcat Red - 373

Pablo Del Monte - 368

Bayern - 368

Medal Count - 366

Commanding Curve - 363

Vicar's in Trouble - 351

Samraat - 349

Dance With Fate - 339*

Wicked Strong - 336

Midnight Hawk - 330

We Miss Artie - 319

One thing I noticed while compiling these figures is that Tomlinson wet-track figures tend to change a bit from one race to the next. It's never by much -- a few points at most -- but it wouldn't surprise me if the figures that appear in the DRF Derby past performances are slightly different from the ones listed above.

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

TnT — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 11:26:27 GMT

Hi Keelerman,

Any idea where I can find the Tomlinson wet track figures for the derby contenders ?

I have found them very helpful in the past.

Thanks

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

-Keelerman — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:07:27 GMT

Sorry I'm a bit late in re-joining this conversation! It's been a busy couple of days!

Brontexx, I think I've come up with a clearer explanation of where the distances are measured from, so I hope this helps!

Let's say we're at Keeneland, standing at the finish line and facing up the homestretch. We start walking up the homestretch, the opposite of the direction that the horses run, and eventually we reach a point where the inner rail begins to curve -- we have reached the final turn. It's not necessarily a point marked by a pole. If we measure the distance from the finish line to where we are standing now, we would find that the distance is 1,236 feet.

On the other hand, if we were at Santa Anita and did the same thing -- if we started at the finish line, and walked up the homestretch to the point where the inner rail starts to curve -- we would find that the distance between those two points is just 900 feet. If we went ahead and walked 1,236 feet, like we did at Keeneland, we would find ourselves part way around Santa Anita's far turn.

While Keeneland and Santa Anita are both one-mile ovals, the shape of each oval is slightly different. Keeneland's oval is a bit longer, with longer straights and shorter turns. Santa Anita's oval is more rounded, with longer turns and shorter straights.

If you have any more questions, just let me know!

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

Little Bill — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 04:11:10 GMT

The answer is one as far as I know.

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

Brontexx — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 01:50:53 GMT

Little Bill are you another screen name for Keelerman How many screen names can I have?

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

Little Bill — Mon, 14 Apr 2014 22:10:23 GMT

The stretch distance is measured from last turn to finish line. "Last turn", kinda nominal. Right? Don't forget added distance goes at the beginning of the race.

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Brontexx — Mon, 14 Apr 2014 20:12:15 GMT

-Keelerman you give out numbers in feet EXACTLY from where to where at each track are those measurements?

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-Keelerman — Mon, 14 Apr 2014 13:31:34 GMT

Everyone;

Rusty Weisner said last night on the TimeformUS blog post that he won $1,600 on the Blue Grass Stakes -- be sure to head over and check it out!

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-Keelerman — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 22:39:58 GMT

Two-time Eclipse champion Beholder is scheduled to make her 2014 debut in the Santa Lucia Stakes on April 20th at Santa Anita Park. Eblouissante, Zenyatta's half-sister, has also been entered.

Here are the entries:

www.equibase.com/.../SA042014USA-EQB.html

re: Is Bobby's Kitten Ready to Roar in the Blue Grass?

-Keelerman — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 22:34:42 GMT

Thanks, Little Bill! I appreciate it!