Handicapping Who's Fastest Today, Not Who's Historically Fast

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yoemite dancer — Sat, 24 May 2014 13:47:12 GMT

All I can say after betting and owning horses for over fifty years, is that time is relative. The point is, C.C. could have won the Derby in 2:01. But if someone else ran it 1/5th faster, he would have been second. C.C. still ran faster than the competition. The winner is who finished first.........not his final time. He still ran faster than his opponents, no matter what his time.

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Pedigree Ann — Thu, 15 May 2014 18:36:00 GMT

Remember, Verrazano gets neither the Lasix nor Bute with which he has raced with in this country, so his performance overseas may differ. Even though Newbury is a relatively flat - only a couple of undulations - left-handed galloping track.

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JerseyBoy — Thu, 15 May 2014 17:05:01 GMT

We get a test of comparative speed figures on Saturday when Verrazano takes on Olympic Glory at Newbury.

This might be just as big as the Preakness.

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Old Timer — Thu, 15 May 2014 15:29:01 GMT

lawrence vacarelli, well said. great summary.

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Rusty Weisner — Thu, 15 May 2014 13:51:28 GMT

Ta Wee,

You're the second person I've seen who observed a "dusty" track. I'll buy it. CC's performance was what was expected, and looked the way you'd expect. If he got slower, so did everyone else.

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Rusty Weisner — Thu, 15 May 2014 13:50:16 GMT

saddlemaster,

Cut the caps lock, then get a clue. CC got a low Beyer figure for the Derby, 97.

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lawrence vaccarelli — Thu, 15 May 2014 03:08:44 GMT

just believe what your eyes saw....not what your watch says

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i812many — Wed, 14 May 2014 23:58:17 GMT

I just don't see how you accept that "lifetime" best 106 won on a speedway with their new configuration, in two turn racees, with much shorter stretch run. The NTR SI set is a joke, with a grossely inflated speed number. Good horse, yes. Great horse?

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Ta Wee — Wed, 14 May 2014 21:52:08 GMT

In the Derby there was not a dirt race run for some 2 hours and forty-five minutes prior. The track was not watered down and very well could've gotten dustier and slower. CC like almost all of the good ones has an ability to separate and make a winning and decisive move. If the inexperienced but very talented Social Inclusion gets run down by CC we could very well have a triple crown winner as CC's style seems perfectly suited for the Belmont. I see the Preakness as being his bigger challenge.

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saddlemaster — Wed, 14 May 2014 21:15:23 GMT

I AM SICK TO DEATH OF THESE HIGH BEYER INDEX NUMBERS FOR THESE SLOW TIMES OVER GOOD AND/OR FAST TRACKS. IT IS LIKE "WOOHOO! HE WON THE DERBY ANOINT HIM KING AND GIVE HIM A 103". SAME THING HAPPENED W/ ORB LAST YR.