Will 'Dude Be Game in the Gold Cup?

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Brontexx — Fri, 04 Jul 2014 09:25:49 GMT

Plod baby teach him the ropes keep your contributions coming,Mr Johnson is much obliged.

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-Keelerman — Fri, 04 Jul 2014 00:44:31 GMT

Plod Boy Phil;

Welcome back! Your comments have been missed! I've got a new blog post up today, talking about Saturday's five graded stakes races at Belmont Park. I'd love to hear your thoughts!

cs.bloodhorse.com/.../the-euros-invade-for-belmont-invitationals.aspx

re: Will 'Dude Be Game in the Gold Cup?

Plod Boy Phil — Thu, 03 Jul 2014 22:55:00 GMT

Lil' Bill -

I'm genuinely surprised that it was a lesson you needed learning.

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Brontexx — Thu, 03 Jul 2014 15:03:11 GMT

Little Bill make your selections for races 4 and 7 at Delaware.

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Little Bill — Thu, 03 Jul 2014 00:51:42 GMT

Sorry I asked. Lesson learned.

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Brontexx — Wed, 02 Jul 2014 23:17:23 GMT

Little Bill I think you might be an Indian or have some of that blood going by your screen name which sounds like you are a Chiefs assistant.

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Brontexx — Wed, 02 Jul 2014 23:10:39 GMT

Little Bill the most reliable stats in this game are percentages and they are long term so even statisticians that have their head screwed on would not consider these stats fallacies.

BTW PPs are stats that you and the other politicians(handicrappers) on this blog can spin any way you want to support your opinion on the race.SEE MY POST ON THIS BLOG AT 01 Jul 2014 8:16PM

Little Bill stats can be used to prove any point.You want an example politcians trying to get elected can have the exact same stats but their writers and strategists can spin the results any way they can create to try to convince voters they are telling the truth.

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Brontexx — Wed, 02 Jul 2014 10:42:06 GMT

Little Bill heres a clue if you want stats check the web for articles in the same realm, also check the race times for route races on the dirt that have been run at the same track and configuration for years.I am referring to 9 furlongs and above.There arent many races that fit that description because as one of the bloggers has repeatedly stated on here, US route races on the dirt have been shortened.

When you write about the theory of evolution, and use American thoroughbreds as an example of how they have evolved by natural selection and gotten faster and improved their stamina it does not ad up.

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Little Bill — Wed, 02 Jul 2014 02:29:35 GMT

That's a lot of words for a "no" answer.

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Brontexx — Wed, 02 Jul 2014 00:16:34 GMT

I am just a blogger and not a writer so stats that paint such a big business as horseracing in a bad light will not be easy to find on the worlds public library system the internet,there are ways to keep those stats out of the public eye or are you so naive to believe the internet is 100% free.

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Little Bill — Tue, 01 Jul 2014 23:39:56 GMT

Brontexx, you have any stats to back those claims.

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Brontexx — Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:25:16 GMT

You can argue for dirt vs turf but the Euros brand of racing is much healthier for the animals on four legs,the businessmen on two legs is another story.

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Brontexx — Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:23:19 GMT

Everyone can believe what they want but American thoroughbreds have regressed since the 70s if you want to continue to make excuses for big business that is state of the art in the US in 2014,go ahead and be in denial.

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KY VET — Mon, 30 Jun 2014 22:03:11 GMT

There are always things people think that are not true......they hear someone say it, so they assume it is true.........grass is softer than dirt, so it is healthier for the horse.......well, not exactly true......ever notice horses on grass, sometimes their heads bob way down? It's because grass courses are uneven......there are holes, bumps, incline and declines.......horses get injured......especially soft tissue, tendons etc............so all these general statements.........are not really true.......

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Coldfacts — Mon, 30 Jun 2014 15:08:37 GMT

Social Inclusion set a NTR and has not visited the winner’s enclosure since. There is a significant difference between a 3YO setting at NTR as opposed to 7YO running world record splits and significantly faster than any other 7YO.

Track star Michael Johnson did not break 20 seconds for 200M until he was in his twenties. At age 29 and at the back end of his career he set the WR of 19.32 at the amazement of the athletics world. His previously WR of 19.66 was lowered by an astonishing .34 en route to his NWR of 19.32. No other 29YO has ever run that fast. Interestingly he was never able to get close to that time again. Many believed that like Flo Jo, Carl Lewis and others Americans, he was also using performance enhancing products.

Usain Bolt broke 20 seconds as a teenager and was running faster at the distance than top class sprinter American Maurice Green as a teenager. He went on to break MJ’s WR and lowered his own WR from 19.30 to 19.19 the following year. He showed from very early that he was capable of great things on the track. He has set WRs in the USA, China, Germany, South Korea and England.

Bolt’s achievements are consistent with that of a phenom. The same cannot be said about MJ who was average as a youngster and not projected to be capable to run 19.32 at age 29.

When a 7YO records a stakes record en route to defeating a champion 3YO that defeated a him in their two previous meetings, questions must be asked about such a performance.

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Brontexx — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 23:13:39 GMT

JerseyBoy what do you think a vet would say that if he was a horse he would prefer to run around the parking lot at his place of business or on grass.

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JerseyBoy — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 19:04:54 GMT

Brontexx:

I would ask a vet for advice and go with his recommendation. Of course, I would need to find a vet who speaks horsee-horsee.

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Brontexx — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 17:55:43 GMT

JerseyBoy If you were a horse would you rather run on grass or hard dirt even if you had to jump hurdles and carry more weight.

I think Arabians natural habitat was sand not packed down dirt manipulated by humans to be even harder on BIG BUSINESS DAYS,maybe the wild mustangs that ran around the west like to run on clay or hard dirt.

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JerseyBoy — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:44:57 GMT

From the Fall of last year we have been reading tales about a horse’s age and its effect on the horse’s ability, from a non-scientist whose theme seems to be that as a horse ages past 5 or 6 that horse’s legs somehow cannot sustain a high level of performance.

What do the facts show?

In America horses are generally assigned weights below 132 lbs.

What happens elsewhere? On the Flats in England, it is not unusual to see a horse assigned 140 lbs.

But as we are focusing on the horse’s legs, let us look at races in which great stress is placed on the legs.

Look at England and the Steeplechase.

The weight carried in the 2014 Champion Chase at Cheltenham was 164lbs. That race is over 2 miles and 13 fences. The ages of the starters ranged from 6 to 12 years. The winner was 8 years old, the second was 10, the third was 7 and the fourth was 12, years old.

According to Wikipedia:

“The Queen Mother Champion Chase is a Grade 1 National Hunt chase in Great Britain which is open to horses aged five years or older”.

If a horse’s legs will propel a horse over fences, for 2 miles, under 164 lbs, on firm, good or heavy going, and the starters must be at least 5 years old, why would one assume that the legs of a 7-year old horse would pose a problem for that horse going 10 furlongs under less than 132 lbs, on a flat surface?

There are vets in England, in case anyone needs to know. But the non-vet might have superior knowledge about the way horses age.

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JayJay — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:21:06 GMT

Man, that was an awful day. I would've made a bundle on Majestic Harbor if I play WIN money but I don't so...another day, another (lots of) dollar.

I would like to open a formal complaint and hopefully start an investigation on the connections of the horses that set track records at Gulfstream Park earlier this year. How is it possible that the track record was set and re-set in a span of weeks ???? THAT IS JUST IMPOSSIBLE! We haven't seen or heard anything from those horses since...how are they able to set records and not win any races after ??? They should not be losing anymore, they're so fast!! And don't no one call me crazy!

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Coldfacts — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:19:06 GMT

Pedigree Ann,

Below is a quote from one of post that deleted from Hanging With Haskin.

“When a 7YO extends itself beyond what it was capable of as a 3YO & 4YO it is unlikely to win at the highest level again in my book.”

GOD’s best time on dirt for 10F prior to the 2014 SA Handicap was 1:59.47. He recorded same as a 4YO. In the 2014 SA Handicap GOD recorded a time of 1:32 for a mile en route to a final time of 1:58.17 for 10F as a 7YO. A faster than usual track is only likely to make a marginal contribution to those times by a 7YO with 31 races under its girth.

SA Park is renowned for producing fast times. The 2012 & 2013 Breeder Cup produced some incredible times. GOD could not even smell the lead in the 2012/2013 BCC where the fractions were slower than those recorded in the 2014 SA Handicap. In 2014 the same GOD suddenly gets a new lease on life after 3 consecutive defeats and runs the BCC winner and runner-up into the ground en route to a stakes record. He was then defeated in his next start by Imperative a horse he destroyed by 17L in their previous meeting.

Anne, I have nothing but respect for your assessments but I think you need to revisit GOD performance in the 2014 SA Handicap and compare it to his resume. I have no doubt you will come to the realization that he was not running on just ability.

I would be surprise if GOD wins another race at the highest level.

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Pedigree Ann — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 07:37:35 GMT

Coldfacts - did you watch the first day of the Breeders' Cup last year? When the Santa Anita main track was so fast and speed-favoring that n1x optional claimers went in under 1:34, after 22- 45- type fractions? Track conditions are a major factor in running fast times; it is not just the talent of the competitors. When you put a talented horse on a track in very fast condition, you will get a very fast time. Or are you in the bunch who think GoD has absolutely no talent at all?

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Little Bill — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 04:03:31 GMT

My compliments to the people that came to this blog and made picks.

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Brontexx — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:35:32 GMT

KY VET I see you havent got drunk yet, but since your bragging you havent lost all your money yet either.Who would have thought a drunk loser would have actually thought people on this blog would take advice from him.Such an amateur touting his knowledge,claims to know when horses are hurt and still bets the KD future in November for a race in May,Ill reword your buddy coldcuts best line on this blog tiny mind armed with a keyboard.

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KY VET — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 19:47:41 GMT

A dishwasher and a drop out talking about drugging horses...........why not talk rocket science........they dont even know a drug that makes a horse "juiced up"...........stupider.....and stupider......