Get Specific - By Dan Liebman

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Stan — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:31:43 GMT

Theres no two year old racing for t-breds in Indiana. Nope. They race Standardbreds that are two in Indiana. But not T-breds. I don't know about quarter horses running there. They have bigger butts that is all I know. (The quarter horses)

re: Get Specific - By Dan Liebman

erin_heather — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 21:14:47 GMT

First exercise, try to find a race for a 2 year old Thoroughbred in the state of Indiana. It's sorta right above Kentucky on the map.

Next, Training Centers seem to be omitted in The Jockey Club study which feeds the Equine Injury Database. Only racetracks and some Steeplechase tracks are included, according to the blog "Get Specific" by Dan Liebman.

Horses do train before they race and many times they can get injured during that time too. If they are collecting and disseminating published workouts from these training centers, they should be able to collect injury reports as well.

I think we need a study of the study so we can all get smarter, and let the Thoroughbreds mature a little longer. Just an opinion.

re: Get Specific - By Dan Liebman

CRob87 — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 20:18:38 GMT

There's nothing wrong with racing 2 year olds.

Although IMO.....I believe that it should "Not" be allowed before July 1st of each year and also "No" further than an even 1 Mile.

If i'm not mistaken???, even the Breeders Cup Juvenile was originally a flat 1 Mile race ???

They should go back to that !!!

re: Get Specific - By Dan Liebman

goodwin — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 16:09:43 GMT

tvnewsbadge,

really - quoting an expert who happens to be a racing insider and who derives his paycheck from the establishment of the sport is hardly objective. However, an important question would be, what is the ROW's(rest of the world) incidence of breakdowns compared to ours. Why? The meds, the meds that are not allowed elsewhere...

Dr. McIiwraith said, "We also must examine other purported injury factors, such as durability, 2-year-old racing, and medication..."

Hmm - that would not support your point, would it?

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Slew — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 14:47:27 GMT

Erin...how do you not consider bloodlines, when a distinct genetic defect has already been established in Unbridled's Song's progeny. Bloodlines are telling. Perhaps we need more research and less defensiveness.

Horses are not fully mature until they are 4...do you also believe we should ban 3 year old racing? Just asking. Sprint exercises are actually very good for a 2 year old, which may be why that's all they compete in until 3.

re: Get Specific - By Dan Liebman

Colleen — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 02:50:58 GMT

Really erin-heather, specifically what states in the US supposedly "won't allow two year old racing"?

And please cite your studies and facts to back up your opinion about 2YO racing.

Here is but one study that indicates you're the one who's uneducated on the subject:

http://www.grayson-jockeyclub.org/resources/Vol%2025-no%203.pdf

There's also several other studies by real experts that confirm Dr. Bramlage's research linked above. Google "Dr. Wayne McIlwraith" and "Dr. Sheila Lyons" to find them.

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tvnewsbadge — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 02:12:37 GMT

This just proves that the horse racing community isn't serious about improving race track safety.

Otherwise, what are they afraid of? Perhaps that synthetic might prove safer than dirt, thereby putting many gamblers and handicappers outa business?

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erin_heather — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:10:57 GMT

If 2 Year Old racing were banned the breakdown numbers would drastically reduce and the number of lifetime starts per horse could potentially increase. STOP blaming the breeding and bloodlines. It's the use of the undeveloped animals causing the problem. A horse grows until he is six. Blaming the bloodlines is completely uneducated guessing and a waste of reader's time. Some states have caught on and won't allow two year old racing.

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sceptre — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:09:21 GMT

Certainly agree with Mr. Liebman's concerns. Mr. Liebman- would be helpful to publish the specific wording of the Agreement relative to this issue, or supply a link. Also, the mechanism and oversight on how each racetrack computes their figures...These issues require a broader airing.

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Slew — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:04:05 GMT

What I find odd is that they went in a round-about way instead of stating the fact that 773 fatalities occurred in NA horse racing last year. Doesn't anyone else believe this is too many? I watched a lot of races this year, and I saw quite a few breakdowns..

..and each one hurt my senses. I realize that sometimes it's a misstep, or a genetic defect, or some other aberration that has no direct correlation to the track itself. Do they count the horses that died a day after a race, like Sailor's Cap after winning the Poker Stakes? Nope, maybe not, since it wasn't on the track. We definitely need better specifics to be able to identify which tracks' conditions actually had a direct bearing on a fatality, and which fatalities were results of the frailty of the horse itself.

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CRob87 — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 01:49:24 GMT

Don't worry.

When the Government has to finally step in, they'll "Demand" that the information be released.

Then "Everyones" in for it.