Derby Thoughts - With Two Months To Go

With Saturday's Sham Stakes the only significant Derby prep this past weekend, all eyes were focused on Santa Anita.

The race itself did not disappoint, as Colonel John held off El Gato Malo during a stirring stretch duel, knocking the latter from the ranks of the unbeaten. However, although both 3-year-olds stamped themselves as legitimate West Coast contenders, I for one, did not get a whole lot out of the race - for a few different reasons:

1 - The Sham managed to draw just five horses, and let's face it, Colonel John and El Gato Malo were the only legitimate 3-year-olds in there. I won't go as far as calling it a match race, but neither colt had much in the way of competition, and they had the other three put away at the sixteenth-pole. It really wasn't a stiff test.

2 - The fractions were dreadfully slow. It's difficult to know how much Santa Anita's troublesome Cushion Track had to do with this (probably more than we think), but when I see a :25 quarter, a :50.04 half, 1:14.35 for six furlongs, and 1:38.27 for a mile, I do not come away being overly impressed. Especially when these times are compared to last week's Fountain of Youth (:24.03, :47.62, 1:11.52, and 1:36.32).

The final time of 1:50.15 was not terrible considering the fractions, but it still left me with questions.

3 - Perhaps the biggest problem I still have with these two is that they have now run all nine of their combined races on a synthetic surface. And with both likely headed to the Santa Anita Derby for their final prep, how am I supposed to have confidence in either come May 3, when they try dirt for the first time? I guess watching their works the week of the Derby will be more key than ever, but to a certain extent, it is going to be a crapshoot.

Take a seat, boys

I came away from this past weekend being most impressed with Absolutely Cindy, who took down ten 3-year-olds colts in the John Battaglia Memorial. The Arch filly made an explosive move coming out of the final turn and corralled Your Round in the final strides. If you didn't get a chance to watch it, do yourself a favor and check out the replay. It was a terrific performance.

Owner-trainer Ron Kinmon said he will skip the March 22 Lane's End Stakes with Absolutely Cindy, instead opting to put her back against the girls in the April 5 Ashland at Keeneland - probably because she is not Derby nominated.

Top 7

With almost exactly two months to go, here is how I rank them.

  1. War Pass - Still want to see him when he has to fight for the lead in the late stages, but how can you not have him at the top?
  2. Pyro - Louisiana Derby will tell us a lot, but regardless of whether he wins or not, he should be a top contender come May 3.
  3. Court Vision - As you know from reading my previous posts, I like this guy a lot. With Mott's seasoning, he will be ready two months from now. We already know he has the desire.
  4. Blackberry Road - I am predicting that this colt steps up big-time in the Louisiana Derby. He had a bad trip in the Risen Star, so we'll see what happens this time. David Carroll (who also has Denis of Cork) is an underrated trainer.
  5. Anak Nakal - Don't give up on him yet. Zito is still high on him, despite the lackluster Fountain of Youth.
  6. Colonel John - Yes, I know what I wrote above. But you still have to respect his talent and breeding. Plus, I like Eoin Harty a lot.
  7. Z Humor - Another one I am not about to give up on yet. He already has enough earnings to get there, so it's just a matter of improving.

Comments

So the top two finishers in the FOY are left off the list whereas three horses who finished up the track are on it...

Perplexed 03 Mar 2008 10:05 AM

Perplexed: They dont run the Derby is February. Remember to look at the big picture.

jshandler 03 Mar 2008 12:30 PM

I agree with the crapshoot comment about poly horses running on dirt for the first time in the derby. Absolutely Cindy hit the board in a stakes turf at Calder and then ran up the track against Indian Blessing on dirt at the FG losing by 20+ lengths. Her win on the poly to me just shows that that is her preferred surface. Poly seems much more like turf than real dirt and styles don`t always transfer over.

Smittytoo 03 Mar 2008 12:42 PM

That is true...

But the front two are improving and have shown tactical speed with the pedigrees to go 10f.

Court Vision maybe you can give a mulligan...maybe...the other two...dont see it...not over horses who easily bested them and have every reason to get better

Perplexed 03 Mar 2008 1:00 PM

Perplexed: I thought Cool Coal Man got the perfect trip and that was the main reason he won. I want to see him prove me wrong next time.

Z humor was coming off eight days rest, so I think that gives him an excuse. Anak Nakal? Well, I guess he really didn't have an excuse. I just happen to know that Zito is high on him, so I am willing to give him another chance.

jshandler 03 Mar 2008 3:43 PM

Remember that workouts at Churchill leading up to the Derby are usually on a completely different surface than Churchill will give you on Derby day itself. Michael Matz has moved Visionaire to New York this weekend and he should fair better.

Bailey 03 Mar 2008 7:13 PM

Z Humor was coming in off a loss 8 days prior...if he came in after a victory...maybe the 8 day excuse flys in placing him on the list...I prefer CCM who is on a 2 race win streak with one of them over Z Humor and his 2 race losing streak

As fas as Anak Nakal, it would seem strange that Zito is higher on his 8th place runner than his 1st...

But just opinions...see ya in May

Perplexed 04 Mar 2008 10:29 AM

Jason, I can support you on numbers 1,2,3 and 6: Colonel John who looked great winning last weekend but not the others. But don't crown Pyro yet, although he looked like the "second coming" last out, he was running past a lot of dead- tired horses. This weekend he will have a tougher task against Yankee Bravo who has done no wrong so far, and Majestic Warrior, who created a storm in NY early last year. I am betting that Pyro will bounce big, enough to set up Rockamundo-like payoffs for this early "derby" and  set me up for the rest of the triple crown season.

Timely writer 2 04 Mar 2008 12:30 PM

I know its early March and its tough to tell anything yet, but I'm throwing out all horses that don't run on dirt. History tells us that whenever the Cali horses ship east. Keep your eyes on the horses running on the "real" mother earth.

TOGA 04 Mar 2008 12:45 PM

The race looks like a two horse race...end of story!  Will Pyro catch War Pass at the wire is the only question.  The only horse that could break apart this party is a sharp 3 year old campaign by Tale of Ekati ... All other horses are pretenders and it really does shape up as a race between Pyro and War Pass.

draynay 04 Mar 2008 12:56 PM

Timely Writer: I am certainly not crowning Pyro, War Pass or anyone yet. It's too early. In fact, like you, I am on record as saying that Pyro gets beat in the LA. Derby.

jshandler 04 Mar 2008 2:08 PM

Pyro is a lot better than you think and it is not to early to see the cream rising to the top. Pyro's late running style might get him into trouble at 1 1/16th because Tale of Ekati is going to go for the lead at the top of the stretch... if Pyro runs into trouble he will not have enough time to make up lost ground.  If he blows by this crowd you can stick the crown on him NOW !

draynay 04 Mar 2008 4:01 PM

Although it's still 2mths. away,here's my thoughts on the Derby trail..Pyro is legitimate,he can & will run on anything, anywhere.He was practically eased-up at the end of his last race, so I doubt he will bounce in the La.Derby. Majestic Warrior will need this prep badly, (watch for him to run Big in the Wood Memorial)& Cool Coal Man is being handled perfectly by Zito. As for the others, Court Vision is a Plodder, whereas these 3 have quick-turn-of-foot speed. War Pass is War Emblem re-incarnated (scary!) Z Humor?..please! Bet the Slews' baby their long overdue for a Derby win!!

Slew.em.All 04 Mar 2008 4:45 PM

I am a huge War Pass fan.  I can't wait to see him in his first 2008 stakes.  But I'm not writing off two outsiders: Etched and possibly Numaany.  Sure they lost in Dubai, but they were running against 4 year olds.  Experience counts, or so I've heard. The top three finishers in Dubai were all 4 yr olds. But the top two three year olds were Etched then Numaany. Giant Moon will also be interesting to watch in the Gotham.  Just my 2-cents.

Breezing 04 Mar 2008 6:28 PM

Slew: Don't discount Court Vision. He may not have the best pure speed, but he has talent and a lot of heart.

There are a lot of War Pass and Pyro fans out there now. Let's see if they are still there after a loss...

jshandler 04 Mar 2008 6:59 PM

I'm definitley not a War Pass fan,he just scares me w/all that natural breakaway speed.I'll be ok if Pyro doesn't win this Saturday,as long as he doesn't take a step back and is flying at the end (good point draynay). Which means I'll get better odds for his next race (cha-ching!).Yes, Court Vision (should) improve off his last race, but he's beaten nobody yet, & will be facing tougher foes from now on. I'm really looking for Majestic Warrior to show his brilliance in his upcoming preps, and don't forget about Colonel John (Ferdinand?). Alas...I think the Dubai horses need to train/prep in the States in order to have a chance...  just my 4-cents!  lol

Slew.em.All 04 Mar 2008 8:06 PM

Enjoying the spirited and well-informed debate as to who will be making it to the first Saturday in May. However, let's talk about a filly unnominated who won't be there, as highlighted by Jason-- Absolutely Cindy. With her wonderful turn of foot, I cannot help but think this girl was born to run on the grass. By Claiborne farm's Arch o/o a dam who could run her in her own right (Ms. Boucheran), I am certainly adding her to my hypothetical stable. With Buckpasser popping up 3X on the Dam's Sire side, what's not to like with her breeding. For you Derby handicappers, you are going to kick yourself down the shedrow if you don't have Court Vision in the mix-- Gulch o/o Weekend Storm with Mr. Mott training, and hopefully either Garrett Gomez (if he isn't up on another one of Mott's and also among my favorites, Majestic Warrior) or maybe Julien Leporoux in the irons, that's some potent combination.

Bryce Be Quick 04 Mar 2008 8:35 PM

Oh, by the way,great blog Jason!...  I'm hoping Majestic Warrior will be primed for his best on Derby Day, to avenge his fathers' dissapointing pre-Derby scratch.A.P Indy should have won the Triple Crown in my opinion!.

Slew.em.All 04 Mar 2008 8:52 PM

I think War Pass will get it done. He's got decent stamina in his pedigree, and even his sire Cherokee Run, although primarily a sprinter, finished second in the Preakness, not quite 10 furlongs but pretty close. What his grandsire Runaway Groom did in the Travers speaks for itself. I'm not too concerned with War Pass going the distance as I am with his willingness to be rated. Needless to say, this is a special horse, so if he has to look an opponent in the eye, he'll eyeball him and be on his way. He may not have to though. If he blasts out of there, gets a good lead, then lets Cornelio throttle him back just one gear, nobody will catch him. Of course with 20 horses, the post might be a factor to. I'm still trying to figure out what would be the lesser of the two evils: the extreme outside post or the rail. If you're so far out of it, with a wall of horses to your inside, how do you drop down? And if you're right on the rail with all that horse flesh on top of you how do you keep from getting boxed? But that's a problem we'll worry about later, if we have to worry at all.

For second money Court Vision and Pyro are a toss up with me, but you've got to love Court Vision's  workmanship. He's not exactly speedy, but he puts his heart into his craft. In the FOY he was way out of it, then had to go wide and closed for third, back of the first two, but if he can stay closer to the pace, he'll be a threat.

What a great time of year.

Johnny 05 Mar 2008 12:14 AM

Everyone needs to watch the last race Tale of Ekati won dump the last race in the mud.  Notice the poor break...notice his early move to move in behind the leaders.  Notice in stretch how he blew right by the rest with a small opening on the rail !!! Notice how he eased up on Tale of E the last 100 yards..... hmmmmm By the way a bullet work a few days ago...hmmmm

draynay 05 Mar 2008 12:33 AM

I here you about Majestic Warrior, Slew.em. All, to include the prospects for avenging A.P. Indy's bad luck. Take comfort in the fact he still earned over $2.9M, found the winner's circle 8 times in 11 starts, and has been gangbusters in the breeding shed. Now, if you want to talk  about horses with no luck in the Triple Crown who arguably could have won all three legs, how about A.P. Indy's great grandsire on his Dam's side-- Buckpasser--arguably the best horse never to have started a Triple Crown race-- dang that chronic quarter crack of his. First horse to earn over $1 M in his career, won 25 times in 31 starts, and only finished out of the money once (in his first start). Majestic Warrior has got a lot of family scores to settle :-)

Bryce Be Quick 05 Mar 2008 7:54 AM

When I look at a race like the Sham I question how much bottom a horse is getting when they run only the latter part of the race. 1 1/4 miles for a three year old on the first saturday in May is a grueling task. I am of the belief that you can get some bottom through workouts but it is far more important to experience the inner fractions of a race and the changes in pace to get the true bottom needed to win the Derby. I do not believe for a second that the pace in the Derby will match the plodding fractions in a race like the Sham. Give me a horse who has shown he can contend and finish against a strong pace over 1 1/8 on dirt against top competition and I'll show you a contender. I want my selections to have experienced a tough race over dirt early in the year and not have to be all out in the race preceding the Derby just to make the field. I think the next round of prep races is the most crucial in identifying the true contenders. A win there is not a neccesity but it better be a good effort.

Biglemmer 05 Mar 2008 8:42 AM

Hmmm,,. Denis of Cork not in your Top 7?  Perhaps you're ready to make a big future bet on him in Pool 2 and want the best odds possible?

Seriously though, what is it about Denis that you don't like?

weeds 05 Mar 2008 9:45 AM

Although I`m a big Pyro fan, I too won`t be too disappointed if he doesn`t win Saturday. I have a feeling his stablemate J Be K will affect the outcome of this race. The horse broke `Toga`s 5 1/2f mark by 7 under a hand ride. Then in his first start in about 6 months ran a 10 flat 6f @ the FG also under a hand ride. This horse can fly. Not sure how far, but he can fly.

Smittytoo 05 Mar 2008 10:35 AM

Weeds: It's not that I don't like Denis of Cork. As I wrote before, I am a big fan of David Carroll. But I an reserving judgement based on the fact that he only has three races and has not gone more than a mile and 40 yards. The Southwest did not have much in it either. Let's see what he can do next in the Rebel.

jshandler 05 Mar 2008 1:05 PM

I like your views Jason (and your blog).  However, I am disapointed to learn that you think Pyro will lose this weekend. I hope he proves you wrong.  Can't wait for the race. I do have to agree with you on Denis of Cork, show me more then maybe he enters the picture. This is an awesome blog by the way.  Keep up the excellent post Jason and keep up the great dialouge race fans!

Shandler Fan 05 Mar 2008 8:29 PM

Denis of Cork ??? Running behind a few rabbits than passing them in the last 200 yards with a hard hand ride ???  This horse does not belong in the same sentence as Pyro, Tale, and Blackberry. Look for J Be K to finish 4th behind the top three mentioned.

draynay 05 Mar 2008 11:45 PM

I think Zito is making a mistake in not running Cool Coal Man in the Fla.Derby!.He absolutely loves that track,& that'll give em' 4wks. til' the Ky.Derby.It also looks like it's shaping up to be a rather lackluster field for the Fla.Derby,we'll find out who's pointing toward the BlueGrass after this weekend....Zito,stay home!!!!

Slew.em.All 06 Mar 2008 1:10 PM

Despite misgivings that some people understandably have about what the Sham actually proved, I liked the way both Colonel John and El Gato Malo moved. Colonel John showed guts when he dug in and held his well regarded rival at bay, even though he was drifting. El Gato Malo didn't have the best trip, and for a moment was stuck on the rail, but swung outside, got in the clear, and ate up ground very fast, putting in a game effort to tag the leader. The pace may have been sluggish, the fractions slow, but in the end, Colonel John and El Gato Malo were visually pleasing. That might indicate bigger things ahead and it remains to be seen if they can bring their form to dirt; if they do, and bring their gameness along as well, anything can happen.

Johnny 06 Mar 2008 11:49 PM

Wow... Look out for Big Brown in the Florida Derby the horse breezed a 1:35 mile ! The horse is a great on turf and dirt....sound familiar ?

draynay 07 Mar 2008 9:34 AM

Draynay: I just watched Big Brown's allowance massacre from Gulfstream March 5. Wow, he is certainly for real! The problem is that he needs to win or place in the Florida Derby or he wont have enough graded earnings to get in. But I do expect this Boundary colt to run a huge race. He looks so effortless when he runs. I'm sure we're going to hear more from him.

jshandler 07 Mar 2008 11:14 AM

WOW!!..Honestly,PYRO is in a league of his own right now, no doubt. I'm sure you will still knock him one way or another. How many moves did he make in the race? and still kicked-home LIKE THAT!..Unbelievable!!   And like I said last week, watch for Majestic Warrior to improve immensley in his next start, he made an impressive quick-move on the outside as they turned for home. It was his first start in 5 mths, his first start beyond 7 furlongs & only his 4th career start...watch for him to keep Improving & be at his peak for the Derby if all goes well from now on. Bill Mott knows what he's doing!!

Slew.em.All 09 Mar 2008 12:42 AM

Pyro wins again easily! I`m not sure why the pace was so slow again, but he got the job done once more and once again Bridgmohan almost got him trapped in traffic. He`d better learn to take him wide into the stretch or he`ll be blocked in a 20 horse derby field.

Smittytoo 09 Mar 2008 3:56 AM

Right now it is hard to knock the top two, War Pass continues to balze away and Pyro has the look of a real pro. I liked what I saw yesterday from Visonaire and Mott's horse ran a sneaky good race in the LA Derby, ranging up & then flattening out. Willing to bet that next time he goes on with it.

Big Brown is playing catch up but sure looks like the real deal. It will be an interesting couple of months.

dk 09 Mar 2008 11:44 AM

It looks like Pyro is proving to be an extremely good tactical horse. Once again he didn't have the best of trips, briefly getting in close quarters. He stayed closer to the pace this time and when he got clear, was home free.

These last two preps seem to be getting Pyro battle-hardened for the "take no prisoners" Derby, and again, he demonstrated his superiority in a strong field.

This horse is a tough customer, I'll concede that. It's going to be one great first Saturday in May, with Pyro chasing War Pass for a fourth time, Court Vision no doubt putting in his usual game run, and if Big Brown shows up, not to mention some of the other contenders, I think we're going to witness something really special.

Johnny 09 Mar 2008 11:50 AM

Pyro's last 2 preps looked fantastic and seemed to show signs that this horse is for real. Many are forgetting about who he is running against. In all of preps there has been no early speed what so ever. Did you know that the fillies before pyro ran quicker final times at the same distance? Did you know that the War Pass' breeders cup win was almost 2 seconds faster at every pole? Did you know that the final time in the BC was more than 2 seconds faster then this so called "spectaculor" win in the La Derby? To me it was not that impressive. War Pass will romp in the Tampa Bay Derby (With a real final time unlike  Pyro), then come to Aqueduct and win the Wood Memorial before winning Kentucky Derby 134. Any thoughts or comments?

War Pass 09 Mar 2008 7:53 PM

War Pass: I hope, and I feel, that you're absolutely right. I think War Pass will win, but I also hope that leading up to the Derby, the really good horses, like Pyro, keep getting better; and then I want to see War Pass leave them all in his dust.

Johnny 09 Mar 2008 8:49 PM

Hear me out War Pass:...Once War Pass feels any kind of pressure,he will cave in like the filly Indian Blessing who has the same free running style.Whats he gonna' do when he hits the wall on the far turn?Undoubtebly he will eventually face some (cheap speed) in his upcoming races, which will soften him-up. Point being...he is not battle tested yet, and Zito is placing him in the easiest of prep races he can find..I can't wait until Pyro & War Pass meet again!

Slew.em.All 09 Mar 2008 9:05 PM

Nick Zito is running War Pass in the easier prep races because he is trying to build him up to a mile a quarter. He started at a mile, now he's going to a mile and 16th, then a mile and 8th, and then finally the derby at a mile and 1/4th. Also he ran him in the allowance race because he had a case of colic which set him back a week or so and he wasn't 100 percent. I would expect Nick Zito to try and teach War Pass to rate soon. Possibly this weekend in the Tampa Bay Derby. I am also very high on Cool Coal Man who is improving just in time. What do you think? When it comes to the Kentucky Derby Nick Zito knows how to get his horses ready so look for these two to be in the starting gate with a big shot on the first Saturday in may!!!

War Pass 09 Mar 2008 10:25 PM

Any idea on who`ll War Pass will be facing at Tampa next week? What`s wrong with my monitor that I lose the first four letters of every line?

Smittytoo 10 Mar 2008 12:30 PM

Well ... like I said Pyro is better than you think but he is 0 for 3 against War Pass...however War Pass has not gone 1 1/4 yet and may face pace pressure if Big Brown makes the dance.  The horse you have to watch is Visionaire !!!

Remember Visionaire was beat by Pyro by a few lengths but the pace was very slow and he got caught on the rail behind slower horses. He showed real guts in the Gotham and will get a much quicker pace to run at in the Derby.

draynay 10 Mar 2008 1:46 PM

War Pass and Smittytoo: We will find out who is is the Tampa Bay Derby field Wednesday. I am looking forward to seeing a)War Pass have to fight for the lead or rate, and b)how he reacts when forced to do either. I hope there are enough real challengers in there that we can learn more from him.

Right now, I still put him ahead of Pyro, just for the fact that he's already beaten him three times. How can you not?

jshandler 10 Mar 2008 4:26 PM

Jason: Which horse can possibly stay with War Pass on the lead? The only one that comes to mind may be Big Brown, if he's really as good as he appears to be right now; and if so, these two won't meet until the big one.

Hopefully War Pass will also be willing to rate if called on, but if nobody can stay with him in his preps, how's he going to learn that? That's my only concern, but somehow my gut feeling is that this is the Derby winner.

Johnny 10 Mar 2008 10:11 PM

Johnny: As much as I like War Pass I do want to see how he reacts when he is pressed or has to rate. Im not sure at this point which horse that would be in the Derby, but most years, there is a rabbit in there that seems to spoil speed. I'm looking forward to the Tampa Bay Derby to see if Zito changes his running style at all, just so he can try to teach him a bit.

jshandler 10 Mar 2008 10:33 PM

Pyro could use a little help, possibly in the form of J be K softening up War Pass on the front- Do you think?- looked like Desormeaux had a strangle hold on J in the La. Derby, then stood up on him when everybody started running, looked like they have a way to go with him, but this could be the plan to soften up War Pass on the lead.

Has there been any talk of any Europeans for this Derby? And what about a Canadian - like Miner's Claim, could he be coming down?

predict 10 Mar 2008 11:25 PM

Predict: Haven't heard of any Europeans. As far as Miner's Claim, he was going to be entered in the John Battaglia, but Casse had to scratch him because he ran a temperature leading up to the race. Not sure if he will go in the Lane's End or if he is off the trail now.

As far as J Be K, he wont be softening up War Pass if he doesnt get there. He has no graded earnings as of yet.

jshandler 10 Mar 2008 11:40 PM

Smooth Air is bypassing the Tampa Bay Derby this Saturday and will run instead in the Florida Derby on March 29th.

That leaves War Pass to confront only Big Truck and Atoned, unless there will be some other entries. I know very little about these two horses.

As much as I love War Pass, and as good as I think he is, I'm beginning to wonder how any horse can get ready for the KY Derby with preps like these; but then we don't know yet what will transpire in the Tampa Bay and hopefully Big Truck and Atoned will make it interesting for him, and perhaps the Wood Memorial will be a tough race as well. War Pass needs to be ready.

Just my opinion for what it's worth.

Johnny 11 Mar 2008 12:57 PM

It's good to see that this race filled. I was reading some of Nick Zito's thoughts and his goals for War Pass earlier. This is certainly a trainer I admire very much, and wish him and War Pass all the best.

Today's Tampa Bay Derby should be interesting and there's some other speed that could test War Pass's ability to switch it off if necessary.

I hope everyone enjoys the contest, and especially War Pass.

Johnny 15 Mar 2008 11:56 AM

Well.. War Pass looked like a coward. Now we know what this horse does when he is headed. He folds like a chicken. This is no Derby winner folks... Derby winners have heart this horse has none. He is a pretty boy front runner.  Time to look for another with heart like Visionaire.

draynay 15 Mar 2008 6:15 PM

I don't believe that War Pass is a "coward." Whenever I see a horse of this caliber run a clunker, I worry that something is going on physically and/or mentally. Yes, the horse isn't used to adversity, but he got squeezed back pretty good at the break, which put him in a hole. I'm not making an excuse for him and he tried to overcome that. War Pass seemed to try and stay up with the leaders, but it was soon apparent that he wasn't ready to run today and it resulted in a very dull performance. Even while loading, the horse appeared agitated.

The most important thing is that War Pass is OK. Again, if there's anything bothering him, that could explain the poor performance. I just don't think the reasons are completely clear yet.

The horse came into the race undefeated and with a championship; and yet now when he has one bad race, some people are ready to write him off.

I'm still on his bandwagon.

Johnny 16 Mar 2008 2:12 AM

I think the Santa Anita Derby might be loaded this year----Col John, El Gato Malo, Georgie Boy----they've all impressed me---'not sure about anywhere else but the West looks strong this year.....

Matthew Wohlken 16 Mar 2008 8:09 AM

War Pass is done... he was headed and done... no heart !  He had a fever... he was restless... whatever !!! He was beat by Gentleman James a horse that barely won his maiden and no race since.  Anyone betting this horse come Derby time is throwing it away.

Santa Anita Derby loaded ??? Georgie Boy is a decent horse but he is no Pyro. The talent is thin in Cali and will they run on the deeper dirt in Ky ???

draynay 16 Mar 2008 10:10 AM

Jshandler;  We need a new Blog about this weekends Derby preps my man...I'm raring to go!! lol,or are you waiting to see if your boy War Puss,..er! Pass has an excuse other than the always available:"he didn't handle the track".?  

Slew.em.All 16 Mar 2008 3:27 PM

Slew: Im working on a new blog. Probably post on Monday. Im covering all these races this weekend, so havent had time.

How did I get lumped in as a War Pass fan? I had him rated No. 1, so I guess I deserve it. Not that any of you will belive me, but I had Big Truck to win and hit the exacta. 1-9 was ridiculous!

jshandler 16 Mar 2008 4:09 PM

No worries, we believe you Jason. I also hit the exacta,trifecta,superfecta & placed hefty "show" bets on the first 3 finishers in the race,(thanks to all the"bridge jumpers") the "show" pay-outs were ridiculous (cha-ching)!!..

Slew.em.All 16 Mar 2008 4:24 PM

I think the Santa Anita Derby might be loaded this year----Col John, El Gato Malo, Georgie Boy----they've all impressed me---'not sure about anywhere else but the West looks strong this year....."

The SA Derby looks like it will be a very good race, but I`m not sure if any of them can run on real dirt. Sierra Sunset may like dirt better than poly, but I would really like to see some of them run on a conventional surface before I wager on them in the Derby.

Smittytoo 16 Mar 2008 5:17 PM

I guess when a horse like War Pass wins all his races and earns a championship, then loses one race because of a variety of factors, that's supposed to mean he's done?

I would never buy into that. I realize lots of people handicap and money is on the line, but what ever happened to giving a horse, especially a champion, another chance?

Johnny 16 Mar 2008 6:05 PM

The horse got into to traffic at the start and folded like a house of cards... He came in LAST !!!

 

draynay 16 Mar 2008 11:21 PM

Fortunately War Pass scoped clean and has no infection. If he is able to resume training and make his next race, I'll defer "judgement" until I see him run again.

I certainly hope everything will still work out.

Johnny 17 Mar 2008 10:37 AM

YES--Santa Anita is loaded!!--both Georgie Boy and Pyro have hed easy preps, that is, they've only had to run for 1/4 mile....Georgie Boy has passed much better stock, he also won Dmr Futurity on a VERY tiring track--Del Mar's new track was extremely deep and loose in the afternoons last year, and he beat a huge field--traditionaly Del Mar and Saratoga have the best two year olds on the planet---the West Coast has been weak the past few years but not, I believe, this year.....Georgie Boy has more positional speed than Pyro, who has impressed me as well but lets see him run with the Cal bred in the stretch.....

Matthew W 17 Mar 2008 11:08 PM

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