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Tricky *** has no class.  It's too bad this talented colt is in his stable as it makes it difficult to route for him.

Maybe he took a hit of something before the interview, he's been know to in the past..love the horse but that's it.

Dutrow calls it as he sees it,straight forwardness is not arrogance. If your trainer is not going to tout your horse, who is?

Bud Delp was equally arrogant - remember how he wrote off every other great champion in history when he bluntly said that the Bid was the "best horse to ever look through a bridle?"  However - in his defence - Bid was truly a great horse - but he wasn't Secretariat, and I always felt that that irked Delp - that Spectacular Bid was acknowledges as great - but not as great as Secretariat.

As to Dutrow and Big Brown.  Well...Big Brown has a long way to go before he can even be in the same breath as Spectacular Bid - let alone Secretariat.  But I've already started to hear him being called Big Red's second coming.  I don't think so - and nothing will dispense with all the great karma Dutrow mentioned like arrogance and overconfidence.  

Come Derby day - I think there are a lot of horses in that field who will douse the media fire surrounding Dutrow and Big Brown.

I'm telling you - Colonel John is something special.

I have no problem with his comments.  Obviously, the reporter asked for his opinion.  If that's what he really thinks about his horse's chances, why not say it?  Our society is too hung up on false modesty, and doesn't appreciate the value of simple honesty.  After the race, his words may seem wise in retrospect.

I will never forget the comment by D.Wayne Lukas before the 1991 Breeders' Cup Distaff."I think Dance Smartly is going to find this area code 502 a lot different(than Canada).She won by a length and a half.She was named Horse of the Year in Canada and  won an Eclipse Award as top Three Year Old Filly!When you are in the public eye you should be careful how you are quoted,it may come back and bite you in the you know what.Horse racing is a crazy game,and a good one can come from anywhere including Canada!

Well said, Jason.  Hurricane, touting your horse and being a straight shooter is one thing - this is totally different!  He needs to take a lesson from Michael Matz about being humble.  I've met Matz, and he's one of the classiest guys in racing.  Dutrow's comments are out of control.  I hope Big Brown loses just to make him eat his words.

Big Brown may very well be the best horse, talent-wise, in the field, but his lack of racing experience is the biggest obstacle he'll have to overcome.  I'd be hard pressed to say that BB is even as good as Curlin, and Curlin couldn't win the Derby off of three lifetime starts.  

Being falsely modest may irritate some people, but being a loud-mouth boor can certainly bring much more backlash.  

Fred, to a certain extent, you're right; if Dutrow really believes Big Brown is the best horse, then he should say it. But saying he doesn't "know how the horse can lose" is beyond arrogant. and to call those remarks "simple honesty" isn't quite realistic. Never mind the hubris Dutrow showed by saying that, he set himself up for a real fall. No one who has spent ten seconds around horses says things like that. Remember the Bid and the safety pin?  

I find his remarks more than a bit distasteful, and if I were a trainer, I'd be pretty p***ed, too. If one wants some respect for his horse, one had better have some respect for the others in the race. Mock humility is just as distasteful, too.

AND, worst of all, do you have ANY IDEA what sort of jinx Dutrow just put on Big Brown??? GOOD GRIEF, man, if EVER there was a sport that required good luck and a healthy dose of superstition, horse racing is it.........she humbly said, with no sarcasm at all.

Safe trips to all.

He must be drinking the same juice he gives to his horses

I haven't watched an NBA game in years because I got so tired of all the trash-talking and disrespect shown by players toward their opponents.  So I'd hate to see comments like Dutrow's become a new trend in horseracing, but feel there are too many good people in the industry to allow that to happen.  Personally, I'm not sold on Big Brown but if he's as good as some folks think, God knows the industry could use a superstar to bring more interest to the sport.  My guess is, however, he'd be retired after his 3-year-old season and we're all hoping Curlin races at 5!

do horse read press clippings,do trainers run the races.NO.we live in a society where everyone wants pepole

to act this way or that way,yes you might think his comments were arrogant,so what its his right.And for those who would cheer against the horse based on the trainers comments poor you,if BB is as good as he thinks we all should marvel

I couldn't agree with you more, Jason. It's one thing to feel really good about your horse, and have confidence in him, but another thing to disregard the fact that there are 19 other trainers with 19 other horses, who all want to win just as badly. All it takes is a poor draw, or heavy traffic, or getting shut off at the rail, or a disagreeable track, or simply another horse just outrunning his horse on that day.

I don't mind Dutrow being confident, but the whole "I don't see how he can get beat" DOES dismiss a whole host of bad racing luck scenarios.  That being said, BB ran 45&change, 1:10 flat and 1:48 in the Fla Derby, running his last furlong in 13.  If he replicates that at Churchill and adds another furlong in 13, he makes the front, leads all the way around the track.  No one else in this field can run a 2:01 on ky derby, imo.  Here's hoping everyone who leaves the starting gate comes around to the finish line!

Better the honest arrogance of Richard Dutrow than the hypocrital humility of most. He's colorful,confident and controversial.How refreshing in a bland, politically correct, please the media at all costs world. Turf writers should be thrilled to have a character this brave for them to crucifiy or crown.

Big Brown has no chance to win the Derby, and probably won't even run in the race.  Today was just a recital by R. Dutrow.  

I have $5 on him at 50:1 and there is no way my handlers are going to let that happen.

I love the comments.  I think we need more of this kind of swagger in the sport.  You put your neck on the line when you make comments like this.  It shows guts.  I liked when Borel was touting Street Sense before the Preakness last year.  Saying he would need to fall down to lose.  While Borel was ultimately proved wrong, there's something to be said for horseman going to bat for their athletes.  Like I said, I love this kind of talk.  It's not trash talk.  It's swagger, pure and simple.  No one complains about Will Harbut declaring Man O War the "mostest hoss that ever was."  It's legendary.  (And don't give me the indignant "Big Brown is no Man O War."  Yeah, I know.)

It's a shame that a man of Mr. Dutrow's stature needs words like this. Everybody in horse racing knows that it's a thin line between victory and defeat. So to say you can't see your horse get beat is just unwise to say in public. But to put the mans head on the block and scream for the man with the axe? I think some people need to look into their own lifes to see what's wrong with them. Just shake your head and get on with your life. There will never be another Secretariat. There will never be another Spectacular Bid. They all raced in there own time and place and against the horses of their era.

So let's cheer for the youngsters that make our life's as racing fans as beautiful as it can be.

What don't you understand Jason?

I don't know how he gets beat either... that does not mean something can't happen in the race.  We all know strange things can happen but it looks like a pretty open and shut case... he goes 23 24 24 24 25+

have you seen ANY reason he can't run those fractions? Prediction 2:00.50 wins by 7

I hope Mr. Dutrow paid taxes on his winnings on St. Liam.  Claims to have won a few hundred thousand.  We will see if he paid the taxes real soon.

Mr. Dutrow's certainty about winning is pretty arrogant but after the IRS slaps the penalties on him for not paying those taxes he is going to need the money to bail himself out of jail.

Jason...you think Col. John is something special ???  Save your money! Isn't he the horse that had to get whipped 12 times to get up at the wire to be a sprinter and a horse called Coast Guard ??? Yeah...that's real special.

He caught up to...Coast Guard... let's see him catch up to Big Brown

Jason,

If you think any other colt is going to take you to the promised land, your highly mistaken.

In the four decades of observing Derby prep races, I have never and I repeat "never" seen a colt like "Big Brown".

Ever.

Understood?

Dutrow lays it out... and he lays it on the line, then backs it with action (ex: laid $160,000 to win on Saint Liam's nose in the Breeders Cup).

Dutrow is acting like the "Cassius Clay" of the horse racing industry. He's good for the sport (although you will disagree).

We need somebody like him to wake up this hemorrhaging industry called horse racing.

Most trainers are not "AP press" friendly and like to sneak around and workout their horses in the fog, and try to keep the heat off of them and their Derby horse.

Rick Dutrow is genuine and at least says how he feels. There is nothing held back. We need more "Cassius Clay's" in the horse racing business and less "sneaks".

Rick Dutrow says this is the best he's ever had and he's had a few good ones.

This type of colt has history stacked against him, but ones like "Big Brown" tend to break all rules.

Best Regards,

Dave Johnson

Temptating fate.  Would make me cringe to say something like that to myself much less out loud.  It's not like he's going to intimidate the other horses they don't listen.  This is a put up or shut up sport and horses should do the talking.

DUTROW IS A MASTER HORSEMAN, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

Wow, let the fireworks begin, a nice work indeed.  Is he going to work at CD.  Would love to see that work at CD.  Any how, nothing is a cinch or a gaurantee and when you walk the walk or talk the talk I guess there are no limits as to what you can say. Some do it with class some do it with a big mouth. That just opened a can of worms, that is all it did, BB will be like the Dallas Cowboys, there will be no in between, you will either love him or hate him, and I bet the hate ems line just got a lot bigger.  And to IRS  If that was a win bet and it didn't pay over 600-1 on the win side of the ticket it is tax free.  For every dollar wagered you can make 599 dollars on it before you are taxed.  So no need to hide.  Less than 6 days to the draw can't wait.  Anticipation is growing.  Draynay what is your infatuation with this horse?  I would be willing to take a bet with you he don't win by 7 and that time and I would be willing to give odds on it.  But your so confident you give me the odds.  Say 2-1 odds for a 100.

These horses are animals not machines.  Dutrow suffers from hoof in mouth disease.

Jason in what context do you define "absurd"? Logically, impossible or Humanly impossible? Is it "absurd" to rise before dawn every day,in good weather and bad,deal with erratic  employees,unsympathic management, temperamental owners and unpredictable livestock for thirty years? Having tact with Turf writers is not Mr. Dutrow's forte but his work ethic and success should inspire YOU to be a more introspective journalist. After all, your blog and job exsist because he is willing to speak with the press. Would you prefer silence? His opinions allow you to express yours and from the amount of feedback  you are receiving I'd say your business is booming!

No horse is perfect but Big Brown won on dirt at 1 1/8 by many lengths running sideways because the bit slipped out the side of his mouth. The jockey had to quickly shift on the horse to keep himself in the saddle. Whether he wins or loses the Derby, he is still a great horse. The proof is not merely the Florida Derby (which was nice enough) but before that he outworked Diamond Stripes, an older stakes winner while Diamond was on his way to win a huge race in Dubai on World Cup Day. Further proof of his ability is that Dutrow stayed with Big Brown in Florida rather than go to Dubai with Diamond and also big winner Benny the Bull. Trainers stay with their best horse and ship the others without them. That's why it didn't surprise me that trainer Steve Asmussen went to Arkansas for Z Fortune's fine run in their Derby and shipped Pyro off with an assistant to run up the track in the Blue Grass.

Wow! Dave Johnson? I hope it's not the"legendary" race caller..Did you not witness Bellamy Road's Wood Memorial,which was much more impressive than BB's Fla.Derby!.And we All know what happened in the Derby,don't we!Yes he's 3for3,but against a bunch of nobodys.He's know Seattle Slew I'll tell ya'.Let him accomplish something first,please!..And "smack talkers" are Not,I repeat Not good for the Sport!Do you see/hear trainers or coaches in other sports Lauding their persective opponents?.I think not,because they know on "Any Given Sunday"(or saturday)anything can and will happen!..We have plenty of "AP press" friendly trainers in the Biz,.Zito,Baffert,Pletcher,et al..There just not "Loud Mouths" like the *** Dutrows Jr's. of the world..We need more Top Class 3yo's to stay in training longer,in order for the Industry to "wake-up"!.Not bar-hopping "Bush Leaguers" like him!! Don't worry Jason,I got your back!.lol..I told you Dutrow was a ***!..Peace! 

First off, I can kind of see why RD's comments might be considered arrogant, and, a bit ignorant of the fact that horses can get bad trips, not like the surface, etc.  However, personally I feel that horseracing needs something like this.  If the horse is doing this well, then by all means, share it with the readers.  It's better than having a horse run in a race, then later, after he lost, saying, "Well, he was a little lame the other day, but he seemed fine, so that may have accounted for his loss."  That's just not cool.  Personally, I'm a big fan of Big Brown, and I hope that he wins come Derby Day.  

"...I don't see how he can get beat." And that's coming from a guy who's trained horses for many years. He should know better than that. I didn't have a problem with his comments prior to that statement. I believe talent-wise, that Big Brown does possess the most. The fact that he's run two triple-digit Beyers in only three lifetime starts, is freakish.

The Kentucky Derby is a gruelling race with many intangibles. These young horses are being asked to run 1 1/4  miles for the first time, and against a full field. So, while Big Brown may appear unstoppable to some, all one needs to do is take a look at this race's history. Outstanding horses such as Curlin, Afleet Alex, and Point Given were unable to win it. If BB does, then I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him sweep the TC. I'll just have to "mute" Dutrow whenever he starts to boast too much.  

To Dave Johnson:

In four decades - never a horse like Big Brown?  Unless you mean that you lived in outer Mongolia during the 70s - you are under a very sad misconception about that horse.  

I'm not sure if you are the race caller Dave Johnson or not -but I'm telling you with the certainty of someone who was there (albeit in 6th grade) - Big Brown is no Secretariat.  Not as good - never will be.  No Slew, either, nor Spectacular Bid.  To do what Secretariat did - he'd have to improve his times - they don't equal - and he's never faced the competition level nor raced as often as Big Red.  

To do what Slew and the Bid did - he'd have to have a stellar 4 year old season.  I give Curlin better odds to become another Spectacular Bid than Big Brown.  

Dave - I'm afraid you drank the Kool-Aid on this one.  Better get out of the sun and re-examine that long term memory.

Best in four decades?  HA, HA, HA!

Remember Fu Peg? The next triple crown winner. REmember Empire Maker?  this has got to be one of the most over hyped horses we've had in years. Colonel John is going to swoop right by him in the stretch.  He has a stupid name, horses with stupid names dont win the derby.

Mr. Dutrow had better hope for some racing luck come Derby Day. Big Brown may be special, but he'll need luck on his side to overcome hurdles not even Curlin could conquer.

In this kind of situation, arrogance would push me towards the other 19 horses and hopefuls running in the race.

Thank you Mr. Dutrow, it is great to hear a trainer let the public know that they really, really love their horse's chances.

I don't care how he said it, I'm just glad to hear it. He surely knows this horse better than anyone , and if I'm  going to lay my money down on this horse, IT IS GREAT TO KNOW THAT THE TRAINER HAS THIS MUCH CONFIDENCE IN HIM!

Why has Churchill Downs been allowed to take future bets on this horse when they know he has no chance of winning the Kentucky Derby on May 3,2008 at Churchill Downs?

Well spoken Kurtis, if Big Brown is as good as Dutrow believes and he does win the Derby  we should all marvel and appreciate the fact racing has another star.

Surely there are more important things to discuss than someone's opinion about their own horse no matter what we think about the opinion or the speaker.

When Bellamy Road and Key Contender ran their Derby prep monster fig races, admittedly neither was undefeated.  But those monster figs were also much higher than those of this "can't be beat" 93:1 shot to win the Derby (93 derbies, not one has been won by a horse with only three races.  They're really going to make this Gluestream horse and his dance recital trainer and jockey the favorites?

As we all know, eating crow is part of this game we love so much. I've been on reccord as being a "Pyromaniac" from the first blog article. If Pyro tanks in the Derby, I know I'll catch it.

If Dutrow loses, lets see what he does during the post-race interview. Nothing wrong with bragging.If he has any class, we'll find out then. If we don't, he'll be written of as an arrogant blowhard.

The thing is Big Brown is a great horse.  No one will know how great until May 3rd.  But all the horses that have made it this far and make it to the Derby are great. As great as Secretariat...probably not, but great in their own right. It is a grueling sport and these are athletes...respect them especially because they can't speak for themselves.  If Big Brown wins on May 3rd I will for be rooting for him in the Preakness.  If he loses, well I'll bet he gave it his all...as they all will - it's what they are bred to do.

I don't care for this kind of talk even if the horse does prove to be the best, and that still remains to be seen. I believe in respecting your opponents. I don't like braggers. If the horse is that good, he doesn't need any help, he'll show it himself on race day. That's the only kind of talk that matters.

2008 Election.... No!!! Don't do it Jason...lol.. The thing is this... based on the prep races you really cannot make an argument for another horse to win this Derby... BB shows up feeling well and improves any off his Florida Derby and its the Big Brown show next Saturday.  And its like the perfect storm...you have a hot trainer, a hot horse, and a jockey that has already won the Derby TWICE!  To take money and bet on another horse your not handicapping ...your guessing.

To: Slew.Em.All & Derby 73,

Let me repeat what I wrote: In the four decades of observing Derby prep races, I have never and I repeat "never" seen a colt like "Big Brown".

Ever.

We are not talking about Secretariat, Slew, Affirmed and the Bid's accomplishments throughout their racing careers. I am informing you that I have have "never" seen Derby preps better than Big Brown's" in the last 4 decades. The colts you are mentioning are legends in the game. They fall short in their Derby preps to what Big Brown has accomplished.

Secretariat (who was mobbed at the starting gate) in his maiden event, Slew, Affirmed and the Bid were not as impressive as Big Brown's prep races (maiden event through Derby prep stakes races)

Big Brown never worked, galloped or jogged in January, and god help this field come Derby day.

I know you two will be "set in your ways" and not change your views of Derby 2008. I wish you both luck in the Derby this year because your going to need it and it's a shame that your going to have to go through the school of hard knocks to acknowledge it.

Delp backed up what he said, The Bid would've beaten Secretariat more that Sec would've beaten him---The Bid fired bullets every time--I saw Affirmed and Seattle Slew and 'Bid was better than them as well.....Dutrow has every right to say that---he's supremely confident about Big Brown---I'd disagree with him about "Brownie" having the best road to Derby---Big Brown HAD to GUN from the twelve hole in Florida Derby, which by the way was a way better race than Bellamy's Wood, won over an equally glib surface, but Brownie rebroke at the 3/8 ths pole in a truly great race---one of the best Derby preps I've ever seen and I've seen many....Colonel John DID impress because he passed most of the field in last 1/4--AND the pace ran on---he has that Tiznow loaping stride and appears VERY WILLING in the stretch---this years Kentucky Derby, although a large field, looks like a Big Brown/Col John exacta but I'd box it if I were 'ya!!!! Bob Black Jack is a very nice horse--as a two year old he ran nearly a second faster than the Malibu Stakes on same day---he runs with head low and relaxes---not bred for it but my dark horse this year, but those two seem to stand out for me this year...maybe with War Pass out Dutrow will send, Kent D's not a front running jockey---methinkls he'll be close or even on the pace now that "Pass is out---after all, when you say "he can't lose".....I guess that means they'll "have" to send---no doubt Big Brown's the nuts and I think he'll have to be.....

Let me simply put it this way: if I had a horse with big-time promise, who would be my trainer? Among the names instantly coming to mind-- Mr. McGaughey, Mr. Motion, Mr. Matz, Mr. Mott. Those who would not make the list-- Mr. Dutrow would certainly be among them, maybe even at the top. Give me a horsemen, period. I don't mind the swagger, it's the inherent absurdity of the statement-- even if you feel and think YOU and YOUR Horse are unbeatable, the variables entering the picture simply astounding. To take but one of the plethera-- what happens, Mr. Dutrow, if your horse throws a shoe? My "dream team"-- Mr. Dutrow training for Mr. Rick Porter. Would love to here Mr. Matz and Mr. Servis speak off-the-record.

Listen up here folks.  Richard Dutrow has in his stable the surest Derby winner since Spectacular Bid.  Everyone knows that there is no such thing as a racing certainty but a fit and sound Big Brown this year, in the absence of the classy speedball War Pass is expected to slaughter the opposition.  As futile as it may be, looking for a rank outsider as insurance should be the fun part of forcasting this year's derby.  How about Majestic Warrior?

I've read a lot of these messages, but some of them are a bit annoying, so I didn't finish all of them, although some I agree with.

It isn't just the arrogance or the disregard for the other horses that bothers me, it's also his comment that unless his horse wins, "...anything less than that is not going to be OK with us."

Sure, you're in it to win it. There's prestige, money, future value as a stallion, all that on the line. We all know this isn't just a sport, it's also a business. But what happens if Big Brown runs well but still loses? Or what if he bounces and has an off day? Or God forbid, his feet start bothering him? Then what? I just hope if that happens, everyone who has been so high on Big Brown will still be loyal to the horse. It seems to me that all this bragging before the fact, just puts additional pressure on Big Brown.

People are mentioning Big Brown in the same breath as Secretariat, Spectacular Bid, and Affirmed and making comparisons. Fine, OK, I'll mention another horse myself, and this is in no way a negative reflection on Big Brown.

Someone talked about "swagger" and mentioned Will Harbut's words about Man o'War (and yes, I know that you know Big Brown isn't Man o'War). When Harbut called Man o'War "the mostest hoss...", that wasn't  swagger. Man o'War had already earned that praise. Harbut was simply telling the facts. Man o'War was nothing short of magnificient every time he stepped on a racetrack, even in the lone race he lost, and in the races where his character and courage were tested.

Man o'War started 21 times, won 20 races. He carried 130 pounds six times as a two-year-old, then as a three-year-old, he carried 135, 131, and 138. He set or equaled eight speed records.

Whether it's Big Brown or another potentially great horse that comes along, they won't have to achieve their greatness with those kinds of imposts. And they might not race 21 times in their careers, unless they're geldings.

As I already said, this isn't to take anything away from what Big Brown is or what he might become. I just think to speak of him in the same breath as the immortals is very premature.

If Big Brown could talk he would probably be saying take me to another trainer.  Let's review his training up through this point.  "Maiden Special Weight" Saratoga, an "Off the Turf Allowance win at GulfStream and an easy handling of 11 minor stakes/claimer types.  His stretch run alone in the Fla Derby  predicted the type of lightly raced inexperienced horse which is exacly the type that struggles in the Derby.  Luggin in, looking around...yes this has been a fine training job.  The Derby will be very different from all his previous starts in that he will be facing WINNERs of previous races (some like Col John who are very consistent) and won't have time to dance like a 2 year old in the stretch. It's obvious to me that this horse has better skills than the trainer.   And Jen...I would like to add Mr. Frisky to that list of "Where are they now?

I think this entire blog is taking his statements waaaaaaaay too seriously.  I'm sure he meant no disrespect, and I'm sure he knows he can get beat.  I think if you asked him, he'd clarify that if BB runs the race he thinks he will, he, and I, don't see how he gets beat ABSENT bad luck or a rough trip.  I certainly don't think his statement should be taken literally.  

He's a breath of fresh air @ the morgue...they do have one hell of a HORSE...good luck to all & we  hope they all come home safe...Long Live The King!!!

Imma gonna repeata myself for those who are harda hearing. Bigga Browneye notta gonna win!! Dave? Dave?.......Daves not all here. The others you spoka comparing the Browneye to had all raced more thana 3 times and againsta better competition. It doesn't take a superhorsa to beata uppa on virtually nothing. Imma with the Slew Man, comma da 1st Saturday in May gonna make your Browneye.....

Blue. P.S. anyone hear if Dutrow's parachute may have malfunctioned?

I agree that Big Brown is a phenomenal horse, but there are at least 2 others that Dutrow isn't considering that I think are a major threat to Big Brown ... Pyro & Colonel John.  Yeah, Pyro had a bad (ok terrible) run in the Blue Grass Stakes, but that's only one race.  Pyro has been on fire lately (no pun intended) and I think is a major threat to Big Brown, as is Colonel John IF he likes the dirt.  Synthetics are nothing like dirt and he hasn't run on dirt, but I don't think he'll have issues with it.  Dutrow really needs to learn how to not come across like a total **s and make statements that he may not be able to back up.  Does he not remember that Curlin, who had the same number of races before the Derby, was unable to win it because of his lack of experience??  And Curlin, IMHO, is a much better horse than Big Brown.  At least Curlin had an imprssive race going into the Derby (the Arkansas Derby) and not just a race against a bunch of horses that weren't as likely to be going to the Kentucky Derby.  

If Dutrow really thought that much of Big Brown, why didn't he put him into a tougher race and see how he did then?

Alright Dutrow is very proud of his BB and wants the world to know it.  That is his opinion only as I am sure you have all at one time had YOUR opinion on different matters.  Regardless of the fact don't be hard on the horse, he is an animal and should not be downplayed because you don't like the comments of the trainer.  Let BB be the best that he can be whether in grade one company down to the claimers because no matter he is always going to give you 100% and you have to appreciate him for who he is.

Perhaps racing would benefit from more openess from trainers. But Dutrow is hardly the poster boy for above the counter honesty.

If you recall a few years ago there was quite a fiasco concerning Wild Desert the Queen's Plate winner who had no recorded works for months but had apparently been working secretly.

The more I look at the Derby the more I am convinced that anyone can win. Some have stated that if any horse can overcome the inexperience disadvantage it's Big Brown. I think that's rubbish. He is no more likely than Indian Charlie, Curlin, Bellamy Road, Greeley's Galaxy, Medaglia D'Oro, War Chant and Pulpit. In fact if he turns out to be as good as most of those horses he might be considered fortunate.

Big Brown can win the Derby but he has a greater chance of losing it and I don't want a favorites odds on him.

A warning to all Big Brown can't lose fans: After five decades of watching some of the best horses in the game it's difficult to fathom the anointing of Big Brown to superstar status with one maiden win, one (off the turf) condition allowance win, and one stakes win over a very suspect field. He may well prove his merit on Derby day but to do so he will not only have to contend with the first quality field he has faced - he will have to rate, as there will be considerable up front pressure, and contrary to those that have posted his ability to rate I'd like to know when, in addition to overcoming a light foundation and pedigree. If he can overcome these obsticles then maybe we can all look forward to a potential superstar, until then - I've seen this movie before - lets withhold rediculous comparisions to Secretariat, Spectacular Bid and Affirmed and his premature entry into racing's hall of fame.    

THERE JUSTA BUNCH OF CLOWNS ITS ALL ABOUT BIG BROWN BABE

Talk is Cheap, show me don't tell me baby! Time will tell if Big Brown really is, or if he will go down as the Brown bomber. I've seen too many 'can't lose' horses for me not to laugh at these statements. Sounds like Dutrow's a Johhny Campo wannabe. I can't see a horse with only 3 starts winning the derby plain and simple, I don't care how impressive he looked, remember Easy goer No one was more impressive going into any Derby before him, not even Slew. Arguably the Slew WAS undefeated. Even Seattle Slew had six starts going into the Derby. I've never seen a trainer win or lose a derby anyway, it's horse racing not trainer racing.

I have always been suspect of the man although he comes from a great horse racing family. He improves horses too much from decent trainers then if he loses a horse it goes backward far too often (see Cole  Norman). So I have always sort-of rooted against his horses. Maybe he is just a great trainer, I can't prove different just suspect that no one is "that good".

That being said I have no problems with his comments. If a trainer is that high on his horse it is a good  thing. I know I have owned thoroughbreds and harness horses and I had a cheap back class harness horse on time that I raced in $3000 claimers. Every race figured to be his last so nobody would claim him (purses were only $1100 as well) and I quite often boasted the only way he  could lose was to be crashed into or breakdown--he won 5 in a row lost-2nd (I heard the driver I used cashed a nice exactor) then won his next 6.

No hurt being cocky if you are right and back it up. He must really believe he is in the air of greatness if he stayed here when 2 of his other horses looked to have great chances in million dollar races in the desert. (both won) That alone must tell you what he thinks of this horse.

Hey BABE, knows what he is doing and i respect him in every aspect of the game. Who is going to beat Big Brown? Thas what i want to know. Yes he is lacking in experience but talent alone buts him way aboth the rest. Dutrow is having fun with his first trip to the big dance and he deserves it. Its not often u get this chance and not only that to have the horse to beat. Go on with it BABE. Show these clowns who is in charge.

If Big Brown wins it will be great for the sport who really cares what the trainer says BB has to prove himself as did all of the other great ones before him.

nuff said

Oh come on people, I agree with Kurtis above,, that to not root for a horse just because of a trainers comments,  that he has every right to make is dumb and stupid. Last time I heard the trainers don't run the race the horses do. BB has a lot to prove and there are many horses with a shot to win. Hey INSIDE INFO where do you get your info that BB is not going to run in The Derby????? If something was amiss I think the media would have heard by now.

A horse who has had only 3 races doesnt deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the greats. thats what all the handicappers do on tv.  How many  of them actually pick winners of these big races?  Not many.  How did Point Given lose?  Arguably the best 3 yo of his crop.  I do not care for those statements.  Whatever happend to being humble.?  Mr. Dutrow is going to have a hard time pulling that big shoe out of his mouth at 5;45 may 3.  

The draw next week will be critical. And that's just one of the factors that can play for or against a horse, whether it's Big Brown or somebody else.

Let's not take anything or any horse for granted.

Anyone here remember what Bud Delp said about Spectacular Bid? Good horses can get be beat, but Dutrow isn't the first one to be high on his!

Big Brown is scary....but so was Belhamy Road, Empire Maker,Cavoneer, and so on and so on.....post draw is critical,,BUT if no one runs and pressures him for the lead..it might be over before they hit the top of the stretch! His comments tho are very foolish!!!!

I was so impressed with Big Browns last three performances that my jaw just dropped. I havn't seen a horse move so fast so easilly in 20 years. That said I never would have said what Dutrow said. Too much can go wrong. I'm too supersticous, but more power to Dutrow for telling it like he sees it. It ain't bragging if you back it up. And lately he certainly has been backing it up.my horse is running tomorrow for $300,000 and I'm afraid to even bring up her name. I give the man all the credit in the world.

Big Brown appears to be a very talented colt.  It really is too bad he is trained by a jerk who believes in giving horses whatever it takes to win.

Jimp, Recapturetheglory will in all probability be the pacesetter. If Big Brown wants to wing it with him, so be it, but Kent D may elect to sit him off for a bit. Not sure yet about Bob Black Jack, but if he's there, he might be in the front to, and he is a world record sprinter. I don't know how far he'll be able to carry his speed though.

The post draw is very important, and if these horses don't draw well and are way out in 18-20, or get shut off in 1-2-3, then it's anyone's guess what will happen. But I can't imagine this race being a crawl by any means. The speed, even from the outside posts, should still outbreak everyone and get over. It's the extreme inside posts that are perhaps a bigger concern for them; not that I really know.

What other speed am I missing here?

get ready for the romp then you can say we told you so bb is the bomb

Big Brown looks great, and Dutrow is  a bettor's friend because he, unlike others, will let you know how he feels about his chances.  Maybe Zito and company should have been more straightforward with the public before the Tampa Derby.

Dutrow knows that the Kentucky Derby is a "horse race", how can he be so sure Big Brown's a winner?

I dont think Big Brown will hit the board, and Dutrow probably feels the same; he's just stirring up the pot.

Well if he wants to tout his horse so what.I think one of the other things he said in the interview is key BB needs a good start and good position going into the first turn.

Let's review some other horses that have been compaired to the "greats" prior to the Derby.  The year was 1990.  After realing off consecutive wins in the San Vicente, San Rafael, and Santa Anita Derby (by 6 lengths) The great Laz Barerra brought what the media dubbed "The Premier Wire-To-Wire Flyer" Mr. Frisky to the Kentucky Derby with a 16 consecutive win streak on the line (equalling Citations win streak) and the first undefeated horse since Seattle Slew.  After going off as the post time favorite Mr. Frisky struggled home 8th.  He raced 4 more times never again to win.  

As we all know the "best" horse may not win this.  Next compair BB's ducking and weaving in the stretch (yes reported equipment malfunctions...who is responsible for the bit...trainer) to Col John's last 8th.  BB may be the "best" but he's going need some luck to beat some other "good" ones and if he "dances" again he will get nailed by some horse swung 10 wide running in the middle of the lane.  Other greats have been beaten by the likes of "Grindstone" "Giacomo" and other "minor stakes" types.  How many years was it before the "chalk" won?  The best bet still remains betting against the chalk.

I don't see anything wrong with what he said.  What's wrong with enjoying the moment and having confidence in your horse?  Do you expect him to say I think he's average and has a shot?  The media loves and so do we the public, or we wouldn't even be on this blog...

Good Luck on the derby regardless who wins I hope I have him and he has long odds!

Householder should remember that Mr. Frisky was later found to have a huge tumor in his throat, I'm sure that affected his performance in his last several races. All I know is Big Brown sure has looked impressive. Wouldn't it be great for horse racing if he were able to overcome his lack of experience and win the Derby?

Dutrow - How about you tell us what you really think?  Wow - now this is the kinda of banter that gets the media rolling...horse racing needs personality.  Not everyone loves Baffert, Frankel or Zito... not everyone is as humble as Matz or McLaughlin...and, not every personality is as out there as Tricky *** either!

We've got no Curlin, Rags to Riches, Street Sense, Hard Spun or Any Given Saturday this year... instead we've got Big Brown, Monba and Colonel John... unless Dutrow is right, we've got a real poor crop on our hands with War Pass out (even though he doesn't have the air to get the classic distances anyway).

So, since we've got such a poor crop on our hands... we need some outlandish, wild comments from second-class trainers like Dutrow!

His barn is hot and Big Brown does look like the real deal... but, I'd like to see Big Brown take on the likes of Curlin later in the year... Curlin is the next coming of Big Red... watch out!

Hey House, Grindstone was my pick when he won. Too bad he was coupled with that plodder or I would have made a small fortune. I don't put him in the same category as Giacomo at all. We will never know how good he could have been since he won the Derby and was injured during the race and retired.I love all the hype about the Big Browneye cause I'll be cashing in after he gets beat. I hope he gets a great post and they bet him down to nothing.  

I'm not calling this year's crop poor yet, since it's only the middle of the first half of the year. Come Breeder's Cup, we'll see how good this crop really is.

Colorful personalities are one thing, but I think arrogance is a bit much. We'll see if he's justifed in dismissing the other 19 contenders.

In this case his honesty and confidence may simply be the truth. Big Brown stands head and shoulders above the competetion this year. If there is any it would come from the California trio of Colonel John, Gayego, and Bob Black Jack who he has yet to face. As a whole the West Coast contingent of three year olds and better than the rest.

Curlin wasnt able to do it last year off just 3 starts but he faced a much, much tougher group. To be honest this field looks as if its on the weak side. Big Brown, aside from how and where he breaks, should have a nice trip laying off a few front runners and then sprinting to the winner's circle.

This guy would be the real deal in any year. You can't say that more than half of these horses would even make it to this contest in other year.

As someone already mentioned, it's too early in the year to call this crop poor. I've heard these comments before with other three-year-olds. They are still young horses, and some are still maturing physically and mentally. Give them time. Some of them may surprise us in the Triple Crown races, some may improve through the summer, and some may peak in the Fall. And some may mature considerably when they turn four, and become very good handicap horses next year.  

His dad was a fine trainer and obviously he has learned well.On the one hand, it wood be great to see bb duplicate his tour de force effort in the FD and liven up the attention paid to horse racing,which is decidedly needed.On the other hand ,as a handicapper,given past proclomations of a similar illk one must be suspect. Personally for the benefit of the sport, which we all love, it would be good to see bb to run the table

Dutrow should show some respect to the great tradition of the Derby. Who does this guy think he is?!  You don't see Carl Nafzger talk like this. I hope all the horses and all the jocks have safe trips, but I hope Big Brown gets beat by 10 lengths. Remember Bellamy Road?

He's got no class and neither do the connections. He'll get caught sooner or later and IEAH will be exposed for the con artists they are.

PLEASE take your money and put it somewhere else come derby day PLEASE. I am begging for 7/2 or better.

PLEASE  

ANTHONEY...My friend, you are SADLY mistaken if you think that you are only taxed on earnings at or above 600 to 1.  600 to 1 is the threshold at which tracks are required to report to the IRS. ALL gambling earnings are taxable my friend, every penny that isn't offset by losses are taxable.

**@Jen...Horses with stupid names don't win the Derby?  I used to think so too...until Lil E. Tee spoiled that for me.

Good horses and good trainers get beat every day there's a race BB is going to need a lot of luck starting with the post draw.

*** has the experience and the knowledge but he's a little full of himself, time will tell      

It's one thing to question Dutrow's choice of BIG words, and to have a lively discussion about that. Jason obviously hit on a good blog topic. But it is certainly another matter for bloggers to attack Dutrow and the owners for having "no class", being "con artists", and "drinking the same juice he gives his horses." That's arrogant.

@Karen...how is it classless to attack Dutrow for cheating?  He's a known, proven cheater.

THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!  Just because Big Browns tainer is a pompus and arogent, excuse my spelling if it's any bit wrong, does not mean he's a con artist or that he's a jerk. I myself like blunt honest oppinons, and his in my oppinion are true. If BB was in last year's Derby, yes i see how these comments would be false, but this year's field pales in comparison to last year, and unless something really goes wrong on saturday, than i don't see BB losing, he is the fastest most talented horse in the field and seems to me that maybe, not as good as Curlin, but close, and for this year i think that's all he'll need. He beat a good, BIG field in the FD, while breaking from a position no horse has won from at 11/8 since 2005, and went his first half in 45 and 2 or 3, i don't remember which. This horse should not have any problems with the large field. All of you need to calm down and just relize this guy may be a bit to blunt in what he says, but he has a right to be as confident as he his. One more thing just because you hate the trainer don't take it out on the horse, BB is not Bellamy Road. Remember Curlin, Mike, this years Dubia World Cup Champ, and last years winner of the BC Classic, Preakness, and JC Gold Cup?

Whatever some may think of the trainer's remarks (myself included), let's not take our feelings out on his horse. To hope that Big Brown gets beat by "10 lengths" isn't fair to the horse, since the horse isn't doing the bragging (maybe they should put a saddle on Dutrow and let him run - lol).

It's one thing to want another horse to win because you like that horse, but it's another thing to wish Big Brown loses to get back at his trainer.

I hope Big Brown and all the horses give us a really good show, and finish up sound.

JAY V, If that is the case a lot of people would have to go into hiding, I guess I am misinformed, I never heard of anthing of that caliber.  I would think that that would only apply when you sign for one on a 1099.  I think you are wrong but if not oh well.  Ant

I say enough of this blog topic time for a new thought, what are some of the betting systems poeple use for the derby?  I like the tri's and supers.  Got any idea's?  Ant

A fine line between CONFIDENCE and

ARROGANCE!

"BARRING ACCIDENT", i don't see how

he can get beat. - That's CONFIDENCE!

hahaha. Only three races! hahaha. Ha.

I'm pretty sure everyone KNEW that WAR PASS was already the winner of the Tampa Bay Derby before it was run! That's when I re-learned that NOTHING in racing is certain,

and with those comments --

he's got bad 'karma' comin'.

My friends, the Derby is the most difficult race to win in the world for obvious reasons. The field is 20 horses, the crowd is the loudest these horses will ever experience, and the track is sometimes suspect. These things are the major contributor to the fact that very few favorites have ever won the race. Mr Dutrow should have definately known better than to open his mouth and take his horses hoov with him. I have been to eight Derby's, and it is the most difficult race to handicap. One more thing, is anyone thinking about the weather, a sloppy churchill downs track changes everything,remember Go For Gin, did he win another race after that, maybe one, if that.

After reading your response Johnny, I guess you are right-I shouldn't take it out on Big Brown. It's just that what and how Dutrow said those comments really hit me wrong, I think it was disrespectful to the Derby and all the others in the Derby.  Yes, Big Brown seems like a very good horse, but he hasn't won the Triple Crown yet.  I mean, all the other horses are very good too. You can be confident without being disrespectful to others. That's all I am saying.

We still have a week and this can be enough time for the unexpected to happen.  I, as I'm sure a lot, loved AP Indy and with his trainer, breeding, and running style was the horse to beat.  Eddie D. was high on the horse ("One of the best he had ridden"). As we are all aware he never made it to the gate (being scratched the morning of the Derby due to a bruised foot).  Yes...Mr. Frisky had a tumor in his throat which was removed and he went back to racing with the ability to breath again. This is my point. These are living creatures not machines. Who knows what chinks (besides the reported hoof problems in BB) lurks in any one of them. Call it arrogance or stupidity. BB now has a "target" on his back and is at risk of getting pinned against the rail, or swung wide, by a couple of Jockeys who have no chance of winning but will enjoy playing the role of spoiler. Watch the 1989 Preakness tape with Easy Goer and Sunday Silence and Pat V's comments after the horses jogged out. "He (Pat Day) tried to screw me the whole way around but he couldn't do it." I think Day leaned hard on Sunday Silence with Easy Goer trying to even "Savage" the horse at one point they were so close. Jockey's "tactics" good or bad is also a big part of this race.  Some humility may have squeltched this sort of thing for BB.

I heard Ron Winchell, the owner of Pyro, told Dutrow that he would put up 100K against his 100K that Pyro would finish better then Big Brown and Dutrow chickened out.I guess he wont put money where his mouth is.

I understand how you feel, Mike from Ossineke, MI. The trainer got to me as well.

I hope the Derby will be very competitive.

@Anthoney...NO, I'm not wrong, brother.  I am a tax attorney, I know what I'm talking about.  Your comment about a "lot of people going into hiding" is puzzling.

Even if you didn't win enough to trigger W-2G filing (when the track reports, and when you have deceived yourself into thinking that's the only time your gambling winnings are taxable), you do want to be a diligent taxpayer and report those gambling winnings, right? The casino, track or lottery agent might not have reported that $25 you won, but it's still taxable income. It's ultimately the taxpayer's responsibility to tell Uncle Sam about his good fortune.

You report your winnings -- from the W-2G or those smaller jackpots -- on line 21, Other Income, of Form 1040. In addition to gambling proceeds, this is where you'd report any prizes or awards (cash or the cash value of merchandise) you won. All this money goes toward your total income amount.

However, you don't have to pay taxes on all your earnings, regardless of how you got them. You can reduce the amount of money the IRS will tax by reporting your losses as part of your overall itemized deductions. Check out line 28, Other Miscellaneous Deductions, on Schedule A. That's where you report any gambling losses. You can claim up to the total amount of winnings you entered on your 1040, effectively wiping out any taxable gambling income.

Rick Dutrow is a jerk and the Winchells are first class horse owners. I hope Pyro does beat Big Brown just to put mud in Rick's face.

I feel sorry for the owners of Big Brown for having to put up with a jackass like Dutrow. He better start hoping for a huge rainstorm because that's the only way his speed will hold. I think Pyro does have a shot of beating him. It always seems that the really good trainers like Assmussen who keep low profile and dont yap like a 10 year old do the real winning. By the way, if Dutrow were a horse in the derby I bet his odds would be 420-1.

Jay V, I had no idea about that, thanks for the info, I said people would go into hiding b/c I feel a lot of people besides me didn't know about such a law.  I wasn't being arrogant, just didn't know the laws.  Thanks, by the way who is your Derby pick?  The Col. intrigued me today with his work out. 57 and change I think that means he will handle the dirt.  

John, where did you read or hear about a personal bet between the trainers? 

Don't disregard Colonel John. He had a sparkling 57:80 work this morning. I know the Churchill track is playing fast today, but the horse turned heads.

Speed figures or not, the California synthetic form has been transferring very well to dirt.

Dutrow's comments are obviously "a bit of the New Yorker in him" designed to put everyone else back on their heels and there is nothing wrong with it, as "talking a big game" tends to be good for business, as that brand of braggadocio long worked for Bob Baffert and Wayne Lukas, among others, for years. The only problem I see is that even if you're not particularly superstitious, such talk seems to make you and your horse a big target. Think not? Remember Winning Colors vs Forty Niner in the 1988 Preakness when their respective trainers, Wayne Lukas and Woody Stephens, began to trash talk? Stephens vowed to challenge Winning Colors early and orered  Pat Day to gun Forty Niner to the lead, just to thwart Gary Stevens, aboard Winning Colors, and Lukas. The strategy worked -- and Winning Colors was cooked. Yes, IF Big Brown rates . . . and then IF he explodes . . .  well, then all of this will LIKELY be moot. Hence, the Big Brown talk sounds more than a little bit premature. A "great" horse? Please! Anyone remember Arazi's 1991 Breeder's Cup race? Breaking from the outside in a 14-horse field -- in his first time racing on dirt and the first time he was racing counter-clockwise on a non-European racecourse -- he inhaled Betrando and his other competitors on the back stretch, winning eased up by five, under heavy wraps, a performance that prompted announcer Tom Durkin to exclaim, "Here indeed is a superstar!" Everyone was spending the winter polishing off the Kentucky Derby crown for Arazi's coronation when he was going to Churchill the following spring, wondering if he would win England's Epson Derby after sweepign the Triple Crown. Steve Cauthen rated him in the same class as Affirmed, on who he had won the Triple Crown. Pat Valenzuala, who rode him in his stunning Juvenile victory, likened him as BETTER than Sunday Silence, declaring of the upcoming Derby, "This race is over." Indeed, Joe Hirsch, the sage Racing Form columnist fell for the hype when he opined, "He [Arazi] is such an extraordinary animal that he makes other great horses look like hacks." Back at the scene of his triumph at Churchill for the Kentucky Derby the following spring, Arazi drew post 17 in an 18-horse field and made a bid before finishing a tired and lackluster eighth, beaten by Lil E. Tee, who isn't, to be kind, remembered as one of the greatest of Derby winners. Yes, Big Brown is an exceptional talent. And he MAY indeed run a GREAT RACE next Saturday and win the Derby by a furlong, but to call him a GREAT HORSE right now, based upon three past races, is perhaps one of the silliest things ever postulated since the astronomer Ptolemy concluded some 1800 years ago that the Earth was the center of the universe. Ditto for mentioning him in the same breath as Secretariat, Man O'War or Spend A Buck -- or Kelso, Forgo, or Dr. Fager, for that matter. That's because winners of the Kentucky Derby can BECOME great horses,, but great horses, don't necessarily win the Kentucky Derby, as illustrated by Lil E. Tee and countless others. The saying, "I'd rather be lucky than good," is never more apt than when applied to this race, as the Kentucky Derby is often won by a horse who happens to be PEAKING on the first Saturday in May, with a HIDDEN UPSIDE and at least a dose of racing LUCK. So, while Big Brown IS an unusual talent and deserves to be the favorite, he certainly doesn't HAVE to win, as even his most ardent fans would doubtlessly admit, if they were being truly honest, if only with themselves.

I would look for Colonel John to move up on the dirt...and his daddy shipped well.  How many track records at 1 1/4 miles did Tiznow hold around the country?  BB' greatest fear may have just been realized.  Bob Black Jack draws in which means the Derby goes sub 1:11.  Take a deep breath at the top of the stretch BB.  Your gonna need it.

Householder... I think Col. John should be more worried about Bob Black Jack... Didn't Col. John get whipped 12 times and pushed to beat Black Jack at the wire?  And what blazing fractions did BBJ set in the SA Derby ???? Now he is going to come on dirt and set blazing fractions all of the sudden????

Dutrow was a cocky jerk when i worked for his dad in '76. His dad was quiet and always nice to the grooms when he came by. Ricky was arrogant and very full of himself back then and i see that he has't changed.  big  brown has run 3 races. hardly time to compare him to Secretariat or Slew.

Why are so many bloggers offended by Richard Dutrow's sporting remarks.  Lighten up folkes and have some fun 'cause Big Brown is a serious three year old colt. It is true that there are several other Derby contenders worthy of a lot of respect especially if they enjoy the track (Colnel John for example).  There's no need to be caustic towards Dutrow because the sport of Thoroughbred racing does best when there is at least one BIG horse that everybody is excited about.  The BIG one this year is Big Brown so let's have some fun trying to pick an upsetter. For me that Wood Memorial was a much stronger Derby prep than most pundits think so Court Vision and Tale Of Ekati are each in with an upsetter's chance.  

Ranagulzion, well said. Even though I personally didn't appreciate Dutrow's remarks, you've seemed to put them in proper perspective, and you recognize that other horses deserve respect. And that's all I'm asking. Now I can move on.

I agree with you about Colonel John and Court Vision being players, two horses I've "endorsed" already. I've never really been keen on Tale of Ekati, but he beat "my" horse War Pass in the Wood (granted he had some help), so I respect him. But then, they all deserve to be respected simply because they're in it in the first place and with 20 of them, anything can happen.

We're in Derby week now, so let's keep having fun. The draw is Wednesday and I'm really anxious to see who gets what.

YESSSS! The 6f Recold Holder is IN the Derby!! Too bad BB,you're Done! He's gonna' have to GO from the gate and won't get a breathier..And Draynay thinks they're going to run a 47+ for the 1/2 mile?.ridiculous!..BB had a giant bullseye on his back before his Obnoxiuos trainer opened his beak.Now it's even visible from Mars!They won't let him get away from them,he will be pressured throughout!..Coupled with his inexperience,he's a complete throw-out in my book!Go ahead and bet him down,the pay-out prices should be Gi-normous!!..I didn't buy into BB's hype before(bias track,figs & weak opponenets),and I've ALWAYS thought Dutrow Jr. was an %$*@#& anyways!.Why is he talking"smack"on his 1st Derby trip?With Only 3 starts to BB's name to boot?.Thx,but I'll pass,I've seen WAY TOO MANY "like" him FLOP in the Derby!!

Slew... as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.  The Florida Derby featured G1, G2, and G3 winners including Fierce Wind who had won 3 races in a row.  But to suggest  BBJ is a threat on dirt and at two turns is just silly.  Maybe you should look at both his races this year at two turns and tell me about his blazing speed fractions.... I'll wait.......

yeah slew i've seen a ton of them like BB flop but not this time buddy!!  I was at gulfstream for both BB's starts and he exudes class paddock to post...a beast i tell you...take the 9-5 on derby day and make some money for 2nd and 3rd with recapturetheglory, visionaire and cool coal man....boy that 3-1 on derby futures pool 1 and 6-1 in pool 2 are looking pretty darn good ya think

Agreed draynay.  Colonel John needs to pick it up in the early going.  Hopefully the 57 and change work will instill this into him. He runs a 1:13 the field will be 10 ahead...a lot to make up in the Derby.  They may also try to rate BBJ to get the distance. This may leave BB with a lone lead.  I can see BBJ finishing ahead of Col John if John is shuffled back too far too early.  The Derby is won and lost on a lot of things including the ability to stay out of traffic.    

Like I said draynay;BB has beaten a bunch of nobodys.Other than Smooth Air,Not One of his former opponents is in the Derby!..If you know Anything about horse racing,you'd have known that they "purposely" or"naturally" go slower during the early stages of route races on synthetic tracks.Thats why turf horses take to those surfaces..Also,Don't Worry.BBJ & Col.John will like the dirt-track just fine,like All the other horses from Santa Anita that shipped & WON at Oaklawn Park!He can go as fast as they let him,judging by his 6f record setting performance.I'm Not saying BBJ will win,but he sure as hell will pressure BB early,and Rtg will follow shortly after,along with Gayego & others.What?did they start selectively breeding for synthetic tracks 4yrs. ago?And horses cant transfer their synth. form onto dirt?nope!..It's been proven quite the opposite.Thats why Pyro will rebound Big-Time on his return to the Dirt track where he broke his maiden 1st time out!..You seem like quite the delusional type,or maybe you're a "newbie" to this Sport judging by your comments.Mainly stating that BB will set splits of :24 ALL the WAY around and win by 7,in 2:00min. flat! who are you?Nostrodamus?.Unless he's running in the Hambletonian,the splits are gonna' be faster than that!Much to his disadvantage!..just wait!.....

As previously stated I think Col John will move up on the dirt.  I also think that he will be a lot closer to the pace and love the fast work.  A clean trip and he is right th