Preakness - Big Payoff Even if Big Brown Wins?

 

Hey boys, anybody out there ready to talk some Preakness?

After the week that racing fans had to endure, I know I am. Let's get right to it.

With only a week left until the second leg of the Triple Crown, the obvious question is: Can anyone challenge Big Brown? As it looks now, the Derby champ should have 11 challengers, maybe as many as 12. After the draw on Wednesday we'll break down each contender, but for now, let's tackle this from a purely betting standpoint.

As we all know, the Preakness isn't nearly as good a betting race as the Derby. Shorter fields and smaller pools are the obvious reasons. But after doing some research, I was surprised to find out that over the last 20 years, only eight Preakness favorites have won, and the $2 exacta has paid at least $65 eleven times. There is money to be made.

Of the 12 Preakness favorites who were beat, three of them were odds-on - Easy Goer (1989), Fusaichi Pegasus (2000) and, of course, Barbaro in 2006. I think we all agree that Big Brown will be an odds-on favorite next week and may go off as low as 2-5.

Can he get beat? Yes, obviously anything can happen in racing. But it is not likely to happen - not in a year in where the competition in relatively weak and not after seeing how dominating Big Brown was in the Derby.

There are some saying that he could bounce, considering he is lightly-raced and he will not have the benefit of training like he has in his other four starts. Personally, I don't think it will matter. He is just too talented and the rest of the field is too suspect. If he gets beat, it will most likely be in the Belmont.

So, if you agree Big Brown wins - at odds of 2-5 or lower - how do you play the race? Do you hammer him to win? Play a $100 cold exacta? Or, play the trifectas and supers, hoping a bomb or two take money?

Luckily, there will probably be at least 12 horses running. Only six times in the last 20 years has a field of 12 or more gone to post, meaning there is a decent chance that we can score a sizable tri or super even if Big Brown wins.

In 1995 when Timber Country won at less than 2-1, the tri still paid over $900. In 2001 when Point Given won as the favorite and four of the top five choices came in, the super still returned over $700. And as recently as 2005, when Afleet Alex won as the favorite, the super paid more than $10,000. So as you see, there is still hope of catching a nice ticket.

And if Big Brown somehow does lose, well, the word ‘IRS' comes to mind.

The question is, who is most likely to beat him?

** BTW - I guess everyone saw Casino Drive's performance in the Peter Pan? Wow. Looks like Mr. UPS could have a legitimate challenger in the Belmont after all.

10 May 2008
4:06 PM

Comments

lets not talk preakness but belmont

theres no doubt big brown takes the preakness.

but the issue is the belmont

today a horse named Casino Drive won the Peter Pan and is headed for the Belmont, he blew away the field (even though not a strong field compared to what big brown has faced) he is a major threat,

big browns jockey had the mount on him so i guess thats an advantage to BB because he knows the horse, but if big brown doesent save his energy till the end Casino Drive will overpower him in the final furlong.

so big brown has to have casino drive in sight the whole time and make sure he fights him off and wins

michelle 10 May 2008 5:43 PM

If Casino Drive is as good as he seemed to be in the Pan it may be another year without a triple crown winner. Go Casino Drive.

Lou Criscillo 10 May 2008 7:20 PM

Big Brown---The Superhorse don't count your chickens before they hatch!! While Big Brown maybe caring a huge heart score like Secretariat  this not forget the hoof makes the horse for what of a shoe the battle was lose --with quarter cracks and bye Dultrow' remarks the big horse carrying heat in the leg before being shod with poly shoes one has to wonder if the horse is a 100 percent sound--Last quarter of Derby was traveled in :25+ a far cry from Secretariat's :23---Denis of Cork maybe there in the belmont and don't forget Racecar Rhasody is bred to carry the distance

nmhiplains 10 May 2008 8:32 PM

I'm sure Kent hasn't felt this good since his "love scene" on Baywatch.

Manoa Tommy 10 May 2008 8:49 PM

Casino Drive ?  May I remind you he beat Mint Lane by 5...who is Mint Lane?  Big Brown beat 18 horses by 9 or more in the toughest race there is.  Casino is a nice horse but come on...he is no Big Brown.  On Belmont day bet him heavy...I like cashing my Big Brown tickets...

draynay 10 May 2008 9:47 PM

i'm going to the preakness next week and i know for sure big brown should win, now the only way to make money is by either bet in tri, or super. for me i think it should be bb and hey burn 1-2. i got my doudts about the california and synthetic horse. now this casino drive invader seems like a copy of bb but international, but i remember last year john derek breeders cup turf when a horse name dylan thomas was supose to be the best thing in the world, and nobody gave a chance to the rest of the field. that include the people in the bloodhorse. i remember when they had the daily report from the breeders cup week, they walk talk about all division but when they got to turf they just said "it all dylan thomas." and they will skip the rest. i hope big brown does win the preakness and also i hope he does beat him in belmont to sweep the triple crown even though i'm a pyro fan.

now lets talk about a match race between big brown and curlin, the last match race was ruffian and foolish pleasure, it time for the fans to have one the breeders cup classic in syntetich don't count, (i want to throw up) this needs to be a dirt race.

josue555 10 May 2008 10:13 PM

Draynay: Why even have the next two races? We should just give Big Brown the Triple Crown right now. You cashed one ticket on Big Brown and got back $6.80. On Preakness day you'll get back $3. You are the king of handicapping.

jshandler 10 May 2008 10:34 PM

Big Brown-Harlem Rocker-Macho Again

TRI-Box

Think I'll collect??

normajean81258 10 May 2008 11:07 PM

Casino Drive ran a nice race, but he skimmed the rails and didn't run but a stride or two more than the bare minimum to get around the track.  This was his 2nd start lifetime wasn't it?  And they call Big Brown green?

Brown was 4-5 wide each turn in the Derby and ran against a far tougher not to mention larger field.  Casino Drive will have to get his turn of foot cranked up because he can't go stride for stride with Brown.  Not yet at least.

Lmaris 11 May 2008 2:24 AM

Casino Drive did look good, but don't forget, Big Brown won his first 3 races by 29 combined 29 length, and ran 106, 106, and 109 byers in his last 3 starts.

winning the kentucky derby by 5 from the 20th gate.

was 3/100 off the track record at GS, in his third race!

anything is possible in racing, but he is for real!

KPM 11 May 2008 7:54 AM

Everyone is talking tri and super plays, what about making money in the guaranteed P4, or the P6?  Last years Pick 6 had a 400K pool, didn't pay much, but is their money to be made in these pools also?

dlawler_99 11 May 2008 8:15 AM

Why would the connections of Casino Drive choose Desormeaux to ride?  Too bad Casino did not have a few more races under his belt.  Who will ride him in the Belmont(if he runs)?

hojo 11 May 2008 10:03 AM

While I think a nice group of worthy Preakness shooters, to include Icabad Crane, who has already won over the surface in the Tesio, would like to see if Big Brown bounces/quarter crack-prone feet don't like the surface, giving you handicappers a wonderful opportunity at cashing a "lottery ticket", a brief word about Casino Drive: he obviously likes running at Belmont, as did two of his Dam's (Better Than Honour) other offspring and the previous two Belmont Stakes winners, Jazil (2006) and Rags to Riches (2007). Looking forward as well to her next three runners, Man of Iron, a 2006 colt by Giant's Causeway, an unnamed 2007 colt also by Giant's Causeway, and Lost, her 2008 AP Indy colt.

Bryce Be Quick 11 May 2008 10:05 AM

Casino Drive has one major advantage over BB in the Belmont.  Casino Drive is out of Better than honour who produced Rags to Riches and Jazil.  Both had won the last two runnings of the belmont, one also being a filly.  He has pedigree and stamina advantages over BB when it comes to the mile and a half Belmont.  BB was not bred to go anywhere near a mile and a half.  I know he has already won @ a mile and a quarter, but a mile and a half is a whole different animal.  With that being said BB is still the class of a otherwise very weak batch of 3 yr olds.  As for making money, the possibility is legit.  In 2005 Belmont, I played a super with odds on fav. Afleet Alex on top.  It was not that difficult to handicap.  My 1$ ticket cost about 25$ and returned me $7300.00.  Don't forget that was with the odds on fav winning.

RS 11 May 2008 10:25 AM

going to be a hell of a race...

Bellwether 11 May 2008 10:46 AM

Lol.. your calling me out Jason? Next Saturday you post your winners for the entire card at the Preakness and I will post mine. I have 1,000 dollars that says I pick more winners than you.

draynay 11 May 2008 12:28 PM

By the way Jason... how much did you get back on your Derby pick?

draynay 11 May 2008 12:34 PM

Draynay: You're on. Something tells me you are going to pick every favorite. Based on what we already know about you, your nickname might as well be, "Mr. Chalk."

jshandler 11 May 2008 12:34 PM

casino drive race was a good one. is time was better than any 1 1/8 prep this year,even big browns florida derby. i think they should put edgar prado on this horse.i believe he has one this race before.birdstone 30-1, sarava i cant remember but i think he was more than 50-1.

ace 11 May 2008 12:39 PM

Just have your 1,000 bucks ready I am going to enjoy spending every dollar.

draynay 11 May 2008 12:43 PM

And I guess we can call you Mr. I didn't cash my ticket again....

draynay 11 May 2008 12:45 PM

Draynay: lol...good one. You're right, I didnt cash on Derby Day. I was trying to beat the favorite and win some real money, unlike you, who was happy getting his $6.80 back and buying a pack of cigarettes.

As my readers all know, I am a reputable journalist and it is easy to find me. If we bet, how do I know where to find you? Tell us a little about yourself. Where do you live? What do you do? How did you get to be a chalk player? Etc. lol...

jshandler 11 May 2008 12:52 PM

If I may offer a sugestion.  Instead of seeing who picks more winners.  Why not each person start with a virtual $500.00 bankroll and post all bets before the preakness card starts.  Whoever has the most in winnings at the end is the winner.  Remember anybody can pick chalk, but the trick is to make money.  If you do not recognize intagibles within the race chances are you wont do very well at the window.

rs 11 May 2008 1:14 PM

Ok... first let me say I agree you are a reputable journalist, however that does not make you a good handicapper. You have been riding me because I said Big Brown wins easy by 7 and I pretty much hit that one on the head. There is nothing wrong with getting 5-2 when you know your going to win. There is no such thing as a value bet if you can't cash it after the race.  Even today... you have so called experts claiming Casino Drive is going to give Big Brown all he can handle... huh..what?  He beats a weak field with no Derby runners in it and he is ready for Big Brown?

I am a win player Jason and Pick 3's and pick 4's ... Its hard enough to pick winners without worrying about who is going to finish the bottom of the ticket.

www.myspace.com/draytonnay that is my site and I own and run an energy drink company www.sumpoosiecatinabottle.com I'll tell you what... you win Jason I will send you a case of SumPoosie Cat Energy Drink... I win and you post our results on this blog and you buy me a Big Brown hat ....how does that sound.

draynay 11 May 2008 1:34 PM

Might I remind you and all others....Barbaro was NOT BEATEN in  the Preakness, he as a DNF.

sunfire65 11 May 2008 1:35 PM

For 1 1/8 mile at Belmont the times are always a little quicker because it's just a one turn race.  I don't know that Casino drive has been more than one turn and come on, 1 mile and a half in just his third race, that's even more than what they are asking Big Brown to do.  

thunderstruck 11 May 2008 2:09 PM

I think BB will win the Preakness, but will fall short in the Belmont to Casino Drive. The Pan was an awesome race for only his second start.

Shannon 11 May 2008 3:04 PM

Draynay: You sound like a good guy. I was just having some fun with you b/c you were non-stop about Big Brown for 2 months. It was getting a little old after a while, but as you said, you did nail it. And you definately have the right philosophy on handicapping. Betting to win is the smart way to make money in the long run (actually, betting to show is the best). I'm a guy who only plays a few races per month so when I do bet, I look for the big score. If I gambled for a living, you can be sure I'd play the way you do.

As for out bet, you're on. We'll play for a case of your drink vs. a Big Brown hat. Let's take the suggestion of "RS" and start with a virtual $500 bank roll. That sounds like more fun. Actually, Draynay and I will have our little side bet, but let's open this thing up to anyone who wants to play. Everybody gets $500 in virtual money. Post your plays by Saturday morning and we'll see who wins the most money. I'll see if I can get Blood-Horse to award a small prize to the winner.

jshandler 11 May 2008 3:37 PM

draynay - If you "KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO WIN", you would probably be on your own island right now, instead of spamming the board. Is that wager limited to Jason only?

Manoa Tommy 11 May 2008 3:43 PM

Enjoyed the banter on blog. some of it even makes sense.

ARKLATEX 11 May 2008 4:06 PM

Casino Drive, according to his trainer, needed the race and will no doubt improve on his winning performance when he races in the Belmont.  Whereas Big Brown could regress a bit in his next start.

But, if ever there was a 99.9% lock on an exacta in a Triple Crown Race, it's the Belmont.  

An exacta box should pay at least 2 to 1.  Not bad for a lock.

Ed 11 May 2008 4:14 PM

BB will WIN Preakness. Harlem Rocker and Tres Borrachos will place and show. BB wins Belmont with Smooth Air and Casino Drive in the money. There is no lock, its horse racing.

ARKLATEX 11 May 2008 4:30 PM

Wow, Arklatex, you speak with such authority.  You must be right.

Ed 11 May 2008 4:39 PM

Im not so sure Big Brown will win the Preakness, with 2 weeks rest and sore feet might be tougher on him then people think. I will be looking for someone to beat him not sure who it will be yet but im out to beat BB.

ilwacocapper 11 May 2008 4:39 PM

You're right ED. I do fill the spirit and will risk about 50 on each race. Im trying to figure a tri or super ticket as we blog.  

ARKLATEX 11 May 2008 4:57 PM

Lol...ok Jason your on. Lets have some fun!  Good luck!

Manoa Tommy...spamming ? Lol...your welcome to join in the fun. You think you can out pick me...we will see.

draynay 11 May 2008 5:13 PM

My first time to blog. Horse racing must change.  No competive races for 2yr olds a must and 12 to 15 races per year for older horses until stamina can be bred back into Classic horses.  

ARKLATEX 11 May 2008 5:16 PM

"YOU'RE" (note the proper spelling) on draynay. I want to up the stakes a little bit though. When you lose, I want you to post a picture on your myspace page of either: you in a shirt that reads CHALK MAN, or you standing in a Crayola box labeled CHALK. Of course, I possibly might comply to your demands. And good luck to all.

Manoa Tommy 11 May 2008 5:43 PM

I don't see anybody beating Big Brown in the Preakness, unless the two-week turnaround proves to be too soon for this horse. The rest of the field may not be as good, but they're all new shooters that won't be coming back within two weeks of a 10-furlong Derby.

If some horse manages to knock Big Brown off, it won't necessarily be because that horse is better, but just fresher.

Johnny 11 May 2008 6:02 PM

i think more derby starters will be in the belmont so i will play a trifecta big brown,denis of cork and tomcito box. if pyro was to run i will even go pyro. i don't see this japanese horse winning the belmont he could place or not be in the money just like big brown. you as a triple crown aspiren you either win or lose third or even out of the money. but if this saturday big brown win easyly i would say he will win the triple crown.

josue555 11 May 2008 6:50 PM

Big Brown will Bounce in the Preakness.  I like Hey Byrn.

Mike from Ossineke, MI 11 May 2008 7:49 PM

Jason and Draynay,why don't you two make it really interesting. Donate some of your winnings to Old Friends etc in memory of Eight Belles?I like the idea of the virtual money. I'm in!

Wanda 11 May 2008 8:00 PM

josue555 - Do you see (JAP) after his name? If you don't, he is probably US. One of the Japanese syndicates bought him for $950,000. He smoked a field of 13 from the outside at 1-5. I could go on but someone put up the pedigree vitals already.

Manoa Tommy 11 May 2008 9:41 PM

If the Big B. rebound to Belmont, perhaps Yutake Take takes the chance to ride Casino Drive to avoid any suspicious about other riders. He in USA is a grade B rider, or perhaps C. Can anyone with that handicap win?

Orlando 11 May 2008 10:03 PM

there are 5 horse's who, might,may,maybe beat B.B...KY.BEAR,TRES BORRACHOS,RACECAR RHAPSODY,ICABAD CRANE, and CASINO DRIVE.although i think the owners for the last realy want to Win at Belmont...

john 11 May 2008 10:22 PM

manoa tommy: buddy it doesn't matter what is the pedigree, it matters what he represent, just like tomcito he is from the U.S. but when he races he represent south america, so is casino drive he could have this mare that have given two back to back belmont winners from the U.S. but went he race, he races for Japan, if he was to win who you think will go crazy. thank you! japan is the answer. but regardless he still not winning he is going to learn defeat from probably the best colt in the country after of course curlin.

josue555 11 May 2008 10:49 PM

Big Brown could very well bounce somewhat in the Preakness, but has Seattle Slew like talent that still should prevail. Casino Drive was very impressive yesterday on the track, but was a basket case in the gate. BB has has already handled 150k mint julep induced crazys. If BB wins the Preakness, how do think Casino Drive will handle the very noisy 100K+ Belmont crown? Not very well IMO!

johnnyz 12 May 2008 12:12 AM

Casino Drivre IS USA Kentucky bred.

Manoa Tommy 12 May 2008 2:37 AM

The only horse that has shown class to defeat BIG BROWN is HARLEM ROCKER , REMEMBER after great performances races.horses even champions , lose conditions and 2 weeks may be little time to recover from such a huge DERBY effort. SO you have the exacta and can combine horse for the third and fourth place in you wish to play the trifecta or superfecta , and for the BELMONT , be prepared that CASINO DRIVE , with prep race and pedigree will be a great contender to beat great BIG BROWN and also HARLEM ROCKER , so the way to glory is not going to be so easy for THE CHAMP  

GUSTAVOG 12 May 2008 2:59 AM

josue555 - We will have to wait and see, buddy.

Manoa Tommy 12 May 2008 3:27 AM

If BIG BROWN gets to the Belmont, who will be Casino Drive rider? Perhaps, Yutake Take, to avoid suspicious about other riders. But can a B or C rider win the Belmont?

Orlando 12 May 2008 5:54 AM

No Preakness for Harlem Rocker.  He's going in the Queen’s Plate at Woodbine on June 22.  If BB dosn't get hurt he should win the Preakness easily and then we will all be in for a good race on Belmont day.

MikeG 12 May 2008 1:33 PM

As far as Preakness contenders go, even if Big Brown bounces, I can't see him getting beat by these. to win in the Preakness, just key Big brown on top with 4 or five of the top conteders underneath and collect at the windows. Casino Drive my have been bred in Kentucky, but he's just a crumb up here! Those buildings get awful tall once you enter the Belmont, just ask Charlie Whittingham (even though I know you can't). Whittingham tried and failed to win the Belmont with much better than Casino Drive. The only thing that beats Big Brown aside from injury in the Belmont is the distance, ala Alysheba. I hate to admit it since I'm a Colonel John fan however Big Brown is much too classy an animal this year.  

Billy D. 12 May 2008 1:49 PM

What a poor race the PREAKNESS Stakes will be, with the scratches of RECAPTURETHEGLORY and HARLEM ROCKER his only true enemies, BIG BROWN will make just an exhibition race in front of a D class horses , forgive me the owners. And in BELMONT we will see after a 30 years a new LEGEND , also product of one of the poorest generation , only compare to that of GIACOMO in recent years .

GUSTAVOG 12 May 2008 7:35 PM

Breeding may have apart of going the distance and Big Browns pedigree shows he probably cares a large heart but there are several horses in the lineup also breed to go the distance    

Racecar Rhapsody,Kentucky Bear,and Tres Borrachos dosage figures and pedigrees look good on paper---I think. I'll play them in a three horse exacta  box, over Big Brown in an exacta wheel--then play Big Brown over these three in a tri and super-maybe pickup Crane and another for the bottom. I know you all think BB is a lock for the Preakness but they travel on there feet not there ears or PP and the Big horse has had four tough races on quarter cracks --I don't think we'll see anything of him after the Belmont already talk of syndication

Conditioning plays a large part of the outcome and if you're not out on the track because your sore or you feet hurt --he won't be in peak form. I made the mistake of using Pyro and Smooth Air chasing tri tickets when the trainers said they were not in top form. This don't forget while it's the heart that gives them the courage to battle for the lead --it's the feet that carry them across the line!!!

nmhiplains 12 May 2008 8:21 PM

To everyone who will listen, use Yankee Bravo in your exacta and triple. Brown will win the Preakness, but Yankee Bravo is second at a price.

The Greaseball 12 May 2008 8:43 PM

Hey KPM General Duke won Florida Derby in 1957 in 1:46 4/5 BB 1;48.last half in Derby 504/5.very slow. Belmont is going to be a very interesting race. Jap horse has by far the best mom of any, BB I don't believe will get the distance,Just got throught studying the still pics in my blood horse magazine, a bunch of horse got eliminated immediately, Pyro got demolished , Colonel John banged around, etc,Dennis of Cork looked like he was in the next race he was so far back.Smart move taking the outside. no one to bother him BB was running free and loose, filly was taken upthe asked to go again.One thing I noticed was that for all his supposedly speed, BB  had beeen outrun by 5 horse to the turn, I think he is the best of a poor lot, I bet on him inderby., but when I see him inbetween horses and banged around a little and still win, then i will say he is great now a real nice horse.It would be great for racing if he would win triple crown or at least go in all three not like Street Sense run away with your tailbetween your legs after Curlin beat him in Preakness

Hank 12 May 2008 9:22 PM

Harlem Rocker I thought would be a nice competition for BB, but he beat no one in Withers, Stronach is hiding him, must not be to impressed, Queen"s Plate on June22, whats that about 2months plus sinse his last start  must be saving him for the Junior Senior prom I guess. If he though he could win he would be in there. Really surprised because Pletcher is the best and he wants to go

Hank 12 May 2008 9:28 PM

Yutake Take on Casino Drive???  NO CHANCE!  Ramon Dominguez, Rafael Bejarano, heck, even Joe Bravo or Channing Hill would be a better option then putting someone on a 2 day flight.

ml 12 May 2008 9:46 PM

I like the way this blog sorta segwayed into "Belmont Buzz", after all, it will feature undefeated's of REAL quality, it's too bad it's not 1 1/4 miles, the 1 1/2 on dirt tells me nothing, "Bid" lost both his 1 1/2's at Belmont, he's still the best I've seen, Smarty Jones lost nothing in his Belmont loss---in other words, a loss in the Belmont to a horse much better bred for the unique distance won't detere my belief that Big Brown is "one of the ones", and after his easy Preakness, and three weeks of posturing, he'll be something tough to catch--for any horse...

Matthew W 12 May 2008 9:47 PM

I love BB in the Preakness. I feel he will romp again due to fact that Rocker is out. I just feel the Belmont he might fall out of the money. Casino Drive and Denis of Cork will be fresh and BB will be used during the stretch during the belmont. Hit UPS with Kentucky Bear and Racecare Rhapsody and see what happens.

RJPPDP 12 May 2008 11:12 PM

Big Brown is going to win the triple crown undefeated and Curlin is making plans to duck him in the BC Classic as we speak.

Big Brown straight tri with a couple of combinations is the way to go.  I'm glad Gayego is in the race I think he gets 4th at best but not in the tri and maybe not even the exacta.

I'm looking at Riley Tucker and Stevil

wilson 13 May 2008 2:38 AM

gustavo, Giacomo was a good horse. He is well bred and I think he'll be a great stallion as well. Just because most people couldn't figure out that he was a good horse before the derby doesn't mean that he wasn't the class of that field. He proved that with a very respectable run in the Breeder's Cup vs. Invasor and Bernardini.  He is forever a champ of the Derby and Point Given will never have that. Never

wilson 13 May 2008 2:41 AM

I don't think Big Brown deserves to win. His owners and trainer were a little cocky when reporters were congragulating him.(I saw on Yahoo the video.)

Megan 13 May 2008 12:12 PM

Hank,

the 1957 GP track doesn't exist anymore... FYI      

I'm going with Hey Byrn.  BB will BounceBigtime!!  But for the industry's sake, I hope he is a TC winner, but can't really see that happening.

Wilson,

Asmussen is not ducking BB, Curlin is possibly being pointed towards a richer race (the arc) or staying on a dirt surface in Jpn Cup and becoming more of a world traveler.  BB unlikely to keep racing. anyway, wants no part of Curlin.  let's not get so far ahead of ourselves though.  The Preakness and Ste. Foster will tell us more.

Orlando,

Yutake Take a B or C rider????  C'mon, he has won over 40 G1's around the world.

John Lex, KY 13 May 2008 12:14 PM

Did you see Dutrow's latest comments?!  Boy this guy is really a piece of work.  Anyway, on to more important things....Big Brown was really spooked at Churchill when he saw Eight Belles down.  Do you think it will affect him in his upcoming races?  Do horses remember events like that?  Just curious.

Mike from Ossineke, MI 13 May 2008 8:27 PM

Mike: That horse doesnt remember what he ate for breakfast. No chance that affects him.

jshandler 13 May 2008 9:08 PM

People do any of you know who casino drive is???????? he is a sibling to the last two winners of the belmont jazil and rags to riches I love big brown and I would love to see him win the triple crown but he will need to run his best to beat casino drive I think I can gaurentee it will be a horse race......

pilan 14 May 2008 1:47 AM

If BIG BROWN would not run this race(THE PREAKNESS ), I would bet my house , my car and even my wife on RACECAR RHAPSODY . Prep races , conditions and pedigree . The only tip I can give against THE FREAK BB.This could be next BERNARDINI if something happens to THE CHAMP , like BARBARO . HOPE NOT , for bettors safe .

GUSTAVOG 14 May 2008 3:07 AM

"Did you hear what Dutrow said?" What are we in 3rd grade? You mean he bragged a little about his horse ?  Big deal get over it.  This guy and many like him work 20,30 years and sometimes a lifetime to get a horse anything like Big Brown. Is he a little giddy? YES..! And why not? ... you don't get to enjoy this ride very often so drain it for all its worth.  Let people enjoy themselves... let them smile and laugh and brag a little about their amazing horse.  Its called life and you need to enjoy the ride! For those of you who said..."Hey he's bragging"...Stop your whining... maybe you have never had anything to brag about... let me tell you it can be fun... I brag about my wife all the time...try it some time ... I hope everyone in their lifetime has something to brag about if not ... you never really lived.

draynay 14 May 2008 8:12 AM

Big Brown was certainly impressive in the Derby, and may well command another victory in the Preakness -depending on the condition of his feet. But in the Belmont, he won't hold. Racecar Rhapsody is my bet for the Belmont. He has a serious come-from-behind style, and will love the longer distance.

rr fan 14 May 2008 9:55 AM

What was the that comment from Wilson about Curlin ducking BB in the Classic? Are you on drugs Wilson? That race is 5 months away and the connections of Curlin are plotting a course of races for him.Maybe you forgot but Curlin danced every dance in the Triple crown,Won the BC Classic,And the World Cup.I don't think they have to duck anyone at this point! But hey if he can do what Curlin did last year,it will be a heck of a race.

Wanda 14 May 2008 11:46 AM

Big Brown and Kent Desormeaux will win. Yes, Casino Drive beat Big Browns time in the Fla. Derby.(CD- 147.87) and (BB-148.16) yes, @ 1 1/8 mi.Big Brown 2:01.82 @ 1 1/4 mi.From the 20 spot! and going around the turns 4 wide = 4 lengths behind as we all know. For every horse that is out wide is one length behind. Kent rode CD but that was all he had. Yutake will be the rider for CD.(LOOK who is the trainer & Owners! My pic as a rookie Superfecta BB over CASINO DRIVE, RACECAR RHAPSODY,HARLEM ROCKER. see bb in DUBAI WORLD CUP!  

Marcusd1234 14 May 2008 2:40 PM

OK Draynay, thanks for setting us straight on that.  But in my eyes, there is a difference between bragging a little and being disrespectful.  Don't take my word for it though, let's ask other owners and trainers what they think of those comments.

Mike from Ossineke, MI 14 May 2008 8:08 PM

 Megan, why would you wish Big Brown to lose? the comments that offended you were made by the owner and trainer? Big Brown is just an innocent animal doing everything that is asked of him!

Gman59063 14 May 2008 8:51 PM

Yo J what's up...Philly here brother...miss you at the Oaks Turf Club. Big Brown over Gayego, Behindathebar and Yankee Bravo for $50 exacta's and a $12 Tri Key. Big Brown on the front and/or back end of a Daily Double. He'll get tested in the Belmont though because the Peter Pan  winner Casino Drive from what I've been reading is a clone/mirror image of the Big Boy. Either way watch that SHOW POOL ON THE TOTE BOARD...I heard there will be alot of "BRIDGE JUMPERS" BETTING...YOU MIGHT SEE 5,000,000 ON HIM TO SHOW!!

Johnny Mas 14 May 2008 9:31 PM

Yo J...I agree! I banged Jazil big time in the Belmont that year remember? Well Casino Drive just might be the real deal too. Did you see him split those horses in the Pan? Smoking..........:)

Johnny Mas 14 May 2008 9:35 PM

Casino Drive vs. Big Brown...please stop it... watch the Preakness carefully and then let me know if Casino drive can hold Big Browns jock strap.

draynay 14 May 2008 10:34 PM

 I just read that Big Brown will be retired after his 3 yr. old campaign. I know this isn't the right blog, but this is a prime example of what is killing this sport. I want a triple crown winner in the worst way, but this sport needs some heroes that the people can follow and watch them run 3 or 4 yrs. Curlin is the best thing that has helped horseracing but it would be so much nicer to see him run more in the U.S. and not so much abroad.

 Good Luck Big Brown! Go win the Triple Crown!

Gman59063 14 May 2008 11:15 PM

will do my own picking this time,the tellers charged 39.00 for your 34.00 BB tri could not match your figures, you had them all just in the wrong order.

Big Daddy 15 May 2008 5:16 AM

Mike from Ossineke, MI-- your question about how BB spooked when seeing Eight Belles down an excellent one. Actually, the response shows me BB's intelligence-- "what is that horse doing down on the ground, gee, she is not supposed to be down there, I had better bolt"-- the ancient "take flight--danger" response at work. He really must have spooked good to get Kent off his back.

Bottom Line-- won't effect him a lick in the Preakness-- BB strikes me as a very well-wired horse-- "bomb-proof", as we say in the trade. And yes, while Jason is undoubtedly correct in that BB doesn't recall what he ate for breakfast, the fact is my ex-flat racer also a very sweet and level-headed Guy, and yet routinely gigs when he seeing a paper plate flapping in the wind when used to mark a pathway at an event, and if I give him some oral paste meds in a syringe and then do not wash off my hands REAL good after holding the syringe and before giving him his sugar cubes, he will smell the meds on my hands and spit out the sugar, in the apparent belief I am trying to poison him. They don't call it "horse sense" for nothing. You handicappers might take judicial note :-)

Bryce Be Quick 15 May 2008 8:12 AM

Since when does the Big Ole Browneye wear a jockstrap? Man this Dutrow character is full of surprises. Maybe they want something to auction off on Ebay after the race.

draynot 15 May 2008 10:00 AM

Gman: Couldnt agree with you more. This is the reason I will be hoping Brown doesnt take the Triple Crown.

jshandler 15 May 2008 12:05 PM

After 20 hours of analizing the race, BIG BROWN will win by 1 1/2 lenghts over RACECAR RHAPSODY and 4 lenghs over third place GAYEGO , so the bettors there you have the exact trifecta . Yesterday I saw the preakness CURLIN , STREET SENSE ,HARD SPUN , CIRCULAR QUAY , 4 CLASSIC HORSES . this year just ONE CLASSIC (BIG BROWN )and the person who wrote that GIACOMO was a good horse , no doubt he was a stake winner like his brother TIAGO , but never a CLASSIC , like BARBARO-BERNARDINI (2006 )and STREET SENSE-CURLIN (2007)and that year AFLEET ALEX was the classic one.And POINT GIVEN belongs to other generation and that was a really Classic Horse.  

GUSTAVOG 17 May 2008 2:22 AM

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