My Pick 4 will be played like this

Race 8 - # 3 Game Face, # 5 Golden Doc A

Race 9 - # 3 Silver Edition for Wayne Lukas with Ramon Dominguez at 5-1 for a single.

Race 10 - #7 Cougar Bay at 12-1 for top connections Eibar Coa for Barclay Tagg, #12 Stream of gold for Robby Albarado at 8-1, and Dancing Forever for hall of famer Shug Mcgaughey and Rene Douglas at 5-1.

Race 11 - For a shocker i will leave out Big Brown and Single Denis of Cork at 12-1 with Robby Albarado. To pull the huge upset

Never played these before. Can you tell me what a ticket woud cost picking one horse per race and another picking two horses per race?? I guess a $1 ticket....

All I know is it is the eve of the race and I am feeling like I wish this race would just hurry up and get over.  I just can't wait another minute. I can't imagine what BB's connection are going through. I live hundreds of miles away and I can't stand it. Lets get this show on the road. It's going to be a long day tomorrow. GO BIG BROWN!

Okay,race 11, your pk 4 is? I am done with casino.feelin the love for CORK,BB,CRANE,ECHO

Thanks Jason! I'll go for the $16.00 ticket to start. Hopefully first time's a charm!!Jason, in race 9, why discount Silver Edition??

Good Luck to all and have fun! Pray for a safe ride for all!

Jason, I just went to the NTRA link for calculating. Very cool!! Thanks so much. It will save frustration at the track.

Okay, here are my picks. What do you think?

Race 8- (2)Indian Blessing (5)Golden Doc A

Race 9- (2)Ready's Image (3)Silver Edition (5)J BE K

Race 10- (4) Out of Control (5)Better Talk Now (9)Proudinsky

Race 11- (1) Big Brownie

$18.00 ticket

I singled Zaftig I think she is sitting on the race of her life.

In the 9th I took Ready's Image and Majestic Warrior I think he may wake up in this sprint.  In the 10th I am going with Out of Control and Dancing Forever because they win. In the 11th I am going to single the Triple Crown winner and greatest 3 year old of all times Big Brown for the Crown !!!  Good luck all !

Now you did it!! I think I'll play the Pick 6 while I'm at it!!

LOL Karen! I feel your pain! ;)

Pick

Rc.8  3,5

Rc.9  1,3,5

Rc.10 3,5,11

Rc.11 1,4,10

$54 investment

Wow Justin, congratulations.  With that ticket you're probably going to go 0 for 4.  

Here is my LATE PICK-4 Ticket ($80.00, $1 Play):

1,2,3,4,5 (All Button)

3,4,5,6

4,6,9,12

1

So, now that you now, you can either bet it and bring down my payout... or, bet something else... and, I get your dollars...choice is yours.

Good luck to all the players tomorrow!

We are about to see something we may not see for 30 more years!

Acorn - #2 Indian Blessing/#3 Game Face

Woody Stephens - #2 Ready's Image/#3 Silver Edition/#6 Fatal Bullet

Manhattan - #1 Better Talk Now/#3 Shakis/#5 Out of Control/#7 Cougar Bay/#9 Proudinsky

Belmont - #1 Big Brown/#4 Denis of Cork

Although Ready's Image & J Be K are tough, I agree that an upset can occur with Silver Edition or Fatal Bullet in the Woody Stephens. The Manhattan could easily deliver a nice price as well with that quality field.

GO BIG BROWN!!!

My Derby pick 2 was BB/ 8 belles= $2400

My Preak  pick 2 was BB/Macho Again=$733

My Belmont I'm doing 2 pick 4's A)BB/Macho Again/Dennis/Casiona.B) BB/Dennis/Casino/Macho.

Doesn't it feel like it's been the longest 3 weeks??

Bravo to the trainer of Casino Drive. To do what is best for this horse with such a historic race on the line and to scratch what most consider the only possible upset to BB deserves a standing ovation!Kazuo, you just earned my deepest respect big time.

Just read the comment about Casino Drive.That changes things.What do you all think? I'm staying with my Super pics and going with a 1$ TRI BOX BB, D of C, Tale of Ekati. 2$ across on D of C. Jason why don't you like the ole man (Better Talk Now) in your Pick 4?

BB wins triple crown,exacta I hope will be him on top Dennis of Cork, can't see Casino Drive better than third if even that.

Here's my PICK 4 Race8#-Zaftig Race9#-Fatal Bullet,Race10#-Better Talk Now,Race11#-Big Brown.      

Jason,

I like your pick 4 entries, just hope you backed it up with a pick 3 of the same in the first 3 legs in case the maiden crashes into Brownie out of the gate and destroys his day. No sense having longshots in the first 3 if you lose the last one. This way you can win both and hopefully get 2 good payoffs.

Jason, I agree he should win in a rout. I still want the pick 3 WITH the pick 4.

BIGGEST FLOP EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Ole Browneye gets beat by EVERYONE!!! I so wanted to see a Triple Crown winner but it's a great consolation to see jerks like Dutrow and Draynay eating crow. So much for "greatest ever". The first Triple Crown hopeful to finish last, beaten by nobody's.

Done deal.  This is why they run horse races.Duh.  I've seen them all lose.  When will people learn??  I feel sorry for the horse, but it couldn't have happened to a nicer trainer and owner...

I guess Dutrow should have given Big Brown his steroids on the 15th.   Too bad, I really thought this was the year.  

Jason sometimes stuff happens. This is one of those times.

When Dutrow-trained and IEAH-owned Digger finished dead last in the 10th race down the road at Monmouth Park earlier on Belmont Saturday, one begin to wonder if the Racing Gods were not announcing a cruel fate also awaited BB.

Apparently it wasn't a done deal.  I'm so used to being disappointed that I feel very little emotion about the fact that BB just finished last in what was supposed to be his crowning achievement.

Having just witnessed the worst finish of a triple crown contender, I wonder at the cause.  I have read several posts here proclaiming BB the best horse in 30 years!  I think not.  Smarty Jones at least came in second not last.  Desormeaux said he had no horse.  Could it be he needed his steriod injection?  What does that say about the horse.  So far there has been no report of injury or bleeding.  How do you explain this about the greatest horse in 30 years?  BB was just another horse today, in fact, he was the worst horse.  I even thought he might win as his previous races were so good but I was surprised at what happened unless it had been an injury.  I think today was the last time you will see him on the track.

Draynot: The maiden didn't cause trouble, BB actually caused trouble with him.

jshandler: you have been badmouthing me since the beginning that BB is better than i think. He can't go 11/2 mile. he can't always settle and respond when kent asks. He is not the superfreak you claim him to be. I will admit, he wasn't the same horse today during the race. It kinda reminds me of war pass and not having his way, and down goes the party. All of his races, he's had the outside. He get's the inside and doesn't run. he mostly fought. he can now not be compared to Secretariet, which i think was a stupid line anyways.

someone flew home.....not BB, that's for sure.

*clears throat* sorry to say, Big Brown is no longer the freak who can take anything.

I am LOL right now at all of the bandwagoners who got nothing in today's Belmont. When the whole sports community gets on board one horse, you better find a place to get off real quick. This was one of the best contrary plays of a lifetime. From the trainer's big mouth, to every Tom, *** and Harpo who bet on a completely overrated horse for the distance, I hope you learned a valuable lesson. A horse does not miss nearly a week of training before a race like this and be expected to run anywhere near what he did in the Derby. One of these years a true warrior will emerge and win the Triple Crown, sorry Brownie.

Hey Fly, I never said the maiden caused any trouble. What I said BEFORE the race was "in case the maiden crashes into Brownie out of the gate and destroys his day" I wanted to have the pick 3 along with a pick 4 singling the Browneye so that I didn't waste the possibility of bein right 3 times in a row and losing out. Good thing I had the pick 3 and had it 5 times, it helped make my day even bigger. That along with a $2308 tri, a $94 exacta 5 times, and a second pick three for $301 made it a decent day for me. Just another day at the track where nothing is written in stone.

Come on guys lighten up.Here's my two cents worth. First jump out of the gate BB didn't look comfortable.Fighting KD running up on heels. I thought he might go down for a second.This horse is not right.For him to change from what made us shake our heads in wonder to a horse that looks like he don't want to be there.I'm just very very sad and I'm sure we all feel that way. On the positive side Denis of Cork ran good enough to get me my money back.So all in all I came out okay.But if I was a Belmont Park steward I'd be asking KD some serious questions about him easing BB to the wire.

No Steriods plus missing those days of training because of the quarter crack sure showed up on a hot June day.

KD did nothing wrong.  He eased the horse because there was nothing left in the tank,  He said he had no horse.  He didn't whip him or ask him to go because they wouldn't have been in the money and why stress the horse when he has nothing?  He did the right thing for the horse which is how it should be.

The horse was rank today and didn't show his "push button" style.  Kent got him in position after the first turn and kept him third and ready for his move and he put the pedal to the metal and there was no gas.  Crack in the hoof, no steroids and a hot day.

If he needs steroids to run well he isn't that good, is he?

Give it up Draynay.You showed your ignorance by trying to compare Bad Brown to BIG RED. Please go away.

Yes, the disapointment is huge however I am disgusted by all you "supposed" race fans who are quick to judge BB due to this performance. Anyone who knows anything could clearly see this was not the BB we had seen in all of his past races. To keep digging in about him finishing last is just plain ignorance. He finished last because Kent pulled him up. He felt he was doing what was best for the horse as he knew something was not right. Kent deserves accolades for handling BB with tender care. You can't look past the plain and simple obvious. He was off. He didn't lose to the distance. He was well beat way before that got in the way. Maybe he just didn't feel like running today. Maybe the heat was to much. Maybe he didn't like the track. Maybe he got irritated when Kent pulled him back when he went into the first turn. There can be so many small circumstances that make a horse "off". Maybe it was the triple crown schedule. It certainly wasn't the steroid issue. Not unless the steroids just magically disappeared from his system right before the race. He was training awesome and hasn't had a steroid injection since April. He tested clean after the derby. They were out of his system then.  It just wasn't in the cards. I must thank the racing Gods for bringing all the horses home safe. It was a great concern for me all day due to the heat and high humidity. To BB and Dutrow. What a ride. Thank you for sharing this talented colt with us. He is and always will be a superstar. Wouldn't mind seeing him later this fall. Once he is well rested and "on" again, we all know he is a force to be reckoned with!

WOW! Can you imagine what Onion would have done to Big Bust.

No one is slamming the horse.  The horse is a good horse but didn't show it today.  Lots of horses have bad days but the fact of the matter is, had he been the great horse everyone was saying, he would have won.  He has only raced six times and only lost once.  He needs to keep racing to prove himself but that will not happen.  He raced his last race today.  It's too bad too.  It would have been nice to see him race again to see how he does.  People would like that and it would be good for racing and he could redeem himself off of this poor effort.  I'm glad he didn't get injured, that would have been horrible.  That's what I thought at first but that wasn't it.  He just didn't want to run or he was tired.  Horses lose, even the great ones.

I don't know that we will ever see another triple crown winner.  They are talking about changing the schedule for the TC races, spacing them further than they are.  To me it would be wrong.  The triple crown has been won by 11 horses that ran that schedule, if they change it, they make it easier and what does that prove?

I was so sure the Smarty Jones would win.  He was unstoppable until the Belmont.  I had my doubts about Big Brown but actually thought he might do it as he dominated early on but that didn't happen either.  30 years is a long time and Secretariat's TC records still stand after 35 years.

We've had some truly great horse and not all have won the TC but you really have to be in awe of the horses that did.

So the horse was rank early?  Anyone care to watch a replay of the Epsom Derby from yesterday; New Approach pulled far harder throughout the race, over a demanding, hilly track, and STILL won impressively.  Truly great horses can roll with the punches and still prevail.

I only wish Casino Drive had run - a horse bred and trained to run over the distance, he would have annihilated them.

I think Da'Tara ran a wonderful race, taking the lead and then showing his heels TWICE to the rest of the field. The time was slow, but just watching him run away was enough to take my breath away.

It was his time to shine, not Big Brown's. Hope the guy's safe and sound, though; I'd love to see how he'll match up with the late developers and older males in the summer and fall.

The great ones win even on off days. The greatest do it over a period of years. Big Brown is a very good horse who by no fault of his own came along in a very weak class of 3 yr olds. His lack of experience caught up with him when asked for 3 races in 5 weeks and faced with what looked to me like just a small amount of trouble for the first time he spit the bit. The public got caught up in a "Triple Crown Frenzy" and was again dissapointed. It is possible but highly unlikely that Big Brown could go on to prove he belongs along side (but not above) the great ones who proceeded him by racing into the future. Money is the name of the game today and unfortunately Big Brown will probably never get the chance to prove if he belongs there or not. So far he hasn't proven anything more than he's a very good horse who has beaten and been beaten by a mediocre class.  

Big Brown = Big Baby.Didn't like having dirt in his face and tried to dictate his own terms to disastrous results. Desormeaux couldn't handle him. Running five wide on the backstretch didn't help either.

Once again my theory of not being able to win a Triple Crown unless the horse has an authorotative or militaristic name holds up.

Monica, the horse that won The Ky Dby/Fla Dby from the far outside posts--and by five easy lengths--did not race today

Wanda-- nothing for the stewards to look at here: a horse with no run, destined to finish mid-pack at best, eased up. Kent D did right by the horse and particuarly in light of recent events, the sport. End of non-story.

I have watched the replay of this race several times now and I am really confused. I do realize horses have off days and yesterday I thought it could have been a number of things that went wrong. First and foremost, the heat. But after watching the replay I have some questions. It just doesn't add up. Kent seemed to get in the way several times of BB getting into stride. Then when it was time to go, Kent did not really seem to ask BB for anything. I can't see that the whip came out on him once. Now granted I don't believe in whipping a horse, I do think a pop once or twice tells the horse its time to roll. Maybe I am just being paranoid. I don't generally like to think of the negative, especially in regards to a sport I love and hold so dear, but I'm not feeling to good about this race. Call me naive, but is it possible this horse race could have been "rigged"? I know, stupid question. But after watching the replay, it did cross my mind. Do any others have any thoughts on this?

Another thing: Kent claims BB slipped coming out of the starting gate. I can't see it. He appears to have broken from the gate beautifully. Then Kent got in the way big time. Perhpas this was a jockey error. If Kent would have let BB go and relax and get into stride maybe he wouldn't have been so irritated. When Kent took him to the outside he got forced even wider by moving inside of him. In watching BB's previous races, Kent never got in the way the way he did yesterday. Maybe mentally it was to much pressure and he tried to use to much stradegy instead of letting BB run his race. Of course we will never know. Just some of my observations.

maybe wise to start following racing alittle better. no mention of alan garcia just killin them all year long at tracks he rides?

The Racing Gods have spoken! It's funny,BB ran exactly the way I thought he would,in the Derby though.So I was off by 2 races.Never the less,justice is served..Imagine if he'd had won the TC,and us having to hear Dutrow,Draynay & ALL the other BB Yahoos go on & on about how Great he is,yada-yada-yada!..He is what I Always thought he was: a talented individual who just had an easy/lucky path to the TC.Now that the Roids' are out of his system,he fell back to earth.Like I've mentioned b4,every horse/human deserves a Mulligan,BB notwithstanding.But,darnit,it feels Sooo good in knowing  that "these shady connections" wont have the priviledge in having a TC Champion in their hands..In due time we will have a deserving,true Triple Crown Champion,unlike the flash-in-the-pan Upstart that is BB.

Safe to say, Big Brown is not that good of a horse. Had his way in the Derby and Preakness. For once, he had a few obstacles to over come, and look what happened.

And again, Kent "no ride out" D. lived up to his name.

Denis of Cork showed up as predicted. Tale of Ekati did not.

The racing gods blessed the sport yesterday. Had Big Brown won, the last thing the sport needed was arrogant connections tarnishing the sport.

Some thoughts:

Just a personal opinion from someone who has been an observer of horse racing for 50 years;Big Brown looked uncomfortable to me . . . in the paddock, in the post parade, and while getting into the gate. I don't recall that he had to be pushed into the gate at the Derby or the Preakness. After the race he continued to seem irritated - not really sore, just not himself.

Should someone ask John Servis his opinion about Big Brown's preparation fot the Belmont?

Big Brown was not bred for 1 1/2 mile races!

Racing officials have to put an end to steroids in the sport.

If he was sound, Casino Drive would have easily won the Belmont . . . and what a story that would have been( a broodmare foaled 3 consecutive winners of the Belmont)

This is a really weak crop of 3 year olds!

Do we all now have increased respect for Secretariat? What a horse.

Karen: he didn't break beautifully! He ducked and pushed the maiden! Kent wasn't the problem. BB oviously does not like the rail. it looks like he fereaked and faught Kent. If kent would have let him go, BB would have practically caused an accident. Kudos to kent. He got BB out of there, even if it meant making the outside horse check hard. BB didn't slip that much.....you can't even see it in teh replay! I've watched the replay over and over.  Brownie has ALWAYS gone to rail and finished his race. That is pretty much the key. He saw teh rail, wanted to go, and beat the other horses. HE didn't settle, he didn't slip, no physical damage. no excuses. Good horses overcome slips.....Look at Rags anyone!!! She pretty much kissed the dirt.

Joe:He's a very competetive and agressive rider- That's why only certain horses have him on their backs. Tara Could take him. Tara himself is a very agressive horse; Zito explained that after teh race in an interview. That is why LaPenta and Zito picked Garcia.

The state vet said the horse had no physical issue that he could see. That was real bush league by Kent D pulling him up like that.He should have wrapped up on him and ridden him to the wire.The horse stood there while being unsaddled like a statue.No heat stroke, no lameness.He just wanted no part of it today.

The Racing Almanac contains the rules of racing. It states very clearly that all horses shall be ridden out even if there is no apparent chance to win prize money. Of course,a horse can be pulled up when injured or so far out of the race that it has no chance to improve position, but Big Brown did not fit either of those conditions, so Kent Desormeaux broke the rules by pulling him up " without reasonable cause ".

I would also like to add that Da'tara cut BB right off at the start of the race. Had Kent let BB go and settle into stride he would have been either next to Da'tara or close enough so that he couldn't take BB out. He basically cut right in front of him to go to the rail and Kent was forced to put on the brakes. I didn't think you could cut a horse off like that. I thought you had to be clear of the horse to make a move. I've seen inquiry's come out on far less obvious things than this.

Actually, it wasn't just Da'tara, it was Tale of Ekati who cut BB off. Kent was going to go on the outside of Da'tara and Tale of Ekati closed the hole. BB got squeezed out. I guarantee you folks, that cost BB the race. Kent was holding him back right out of the gate. That was the fatal mistake.

Flyinhome: What in the world have you been smoking? are you looking at the same replay I am looking at? Apparantly we see things just slightly different. No surprise. I see Kent holding him from the get go. If you will see, had he let BB go, he would have went right up beside Da'tara. That seems to me what would have likely happened. I'm not trying to make excuses but what I see is what I see. Perhaps BB didn't like the rail but he ran into traffic problems because Kent held him back. Kent had the stragedy that he would come out, let the others run ahead and he would go to the outside and settle. BB had a different idea and all the riders were ready for whatever stragedy Kent had. Kent should have let BB go straight to the front like he wanted to. He then could have put him wherever he wanted. He would have been in control of the race.

I will agree 100% that BB was off yesterday. That was clear. I hope they do continue to train him and run him. He nees a chance to redeem himself, but in my opinion the jockey played a big roll in the way this race unfolded. Everyone knows the Belmont is a jockeys race. All greats face defeat. You can't dismiss him based on this performance. That's like saying the Patriots suck because they lost the superbowl. There was a road traveled to get to this level and BB was superior!

Actually, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, all the previous 11 horses who won the Triple Crown did NOT run on the same schedule as exists today. From Sir Barton through Assault, there was ONE week between the Derby and Preakness, not the two-week turnaround we have today. Citation was the first TC winner to have a two-week break between the Derby and Preakness. So it could be argued that today's three-year-olds actually have an EASIER TC schedule than the great ones who accomplished the feat prior to Citation.

Just to correct myself, it looks like Sir Barton, the first TC winner, had four DAYS between the Derby and Preakness (when Sir Barton won it, the Preakness was run at 1 1/8 miles and not 1 3/16).  And then the colt ran in the Withers later in May before running in the Belmont.  What owner or trainer today would permit that kind of schedule for their horse?  Times have sure changed!

One of the oldest sayings in racing is "There's no such thing as a sure thing".  Every now and then we need to be reminded.  If this were not so, Damascus, Spectacular Bid, Risen Star, Point Given, and Afleet Alex would all have been Triple Crown winners.

GSO Badger, you can say that again. I couldn't agree with you more. Afleet Alex should have been the triple crown winner but his horrible trip in the Derby did not allow it. He was a great horse. One of my favorites.

I saw the picture of Big Brown's shoe hanging off.  Did this happen because the maiden horse step on his hoof?