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Hutcheson and Holy Bull Selections

As stated in my previous blog post, I am currently on vacation in sunny Florida. Seems as if I picked the perfect time to escape the icy, cold misery back in Lexington.

Though horse racing is not the first thing on my mind as I sit here in shorts and flip-flops by the pool, I do realize that it is a huge weekend at Gulfstream. In fact, I will be there live on Saturday for the fabulous card, which features the Donn, Holy Bull and the much-anticipated debut of Nicanor. I feel it is my duty to at least make a half-hearted attempt to handicap the two major 3-year-old prep races this weekend (also the Hutcheson on Friday), although please forgive me if all this sun interferes with my handicapping abilities.  

Also, because I am nearly out of Coronas, I’m sure you’ll understand that I must get to the beer store and I do not have the time (or desire really) to do my usual breakdown of each horse in the race. Instead, I’ll just hand out my selections with minimal explanation.

And to all those back in Lexington or wherever else it’s freezing, if you think I’m rubbing it in, I am. But just remember, I’ll be back in that same misery in less than a week. Ugh…

Hutcheson, Friday, Jan. 30

Not the best betting race with the biggest price in the seven-horse field being 8-1, but it has turned out to be a good Derby prep. I’ll just make a win bet and use one or two from here in my Pick 3s and 4s.

I can’t make a major case for Bee Cee Cee, Salo Jak or Z Day, and though Capt. Candyman Can must be respected, I don’t like him for top prize.

I narrowed it down to Hello Broadway, Break Water Edison and Rocketing Returns. Break Water Edison defeated Hello Broadway in the Nashua when rallying from the back after a quick, early pace. Hello Broadway did not have the best of trips in that one and I think he turns the tables here. The son of Broken Vow has been working well for Barclay Tagg and could get a nice stalking trip behind Z Day. He looks like the real deal.

Rocketing Returns is also very intriguing based on his impressive allowance win at Calder last month and his 106 Beyer when breaking his maiden two back. Big step up for him, but if he has enough ability he might run by them all.

Unless I see something eye-opening in the paddock, I’ll play Hello Broadway to win and include Rocketing Returns in my Pick 3.

Courtesy of Brisnet.com, here is a link to the Ultimate PPs for the race.

Holy Bull, Saturday, Jan. 31

In contrast to the Hutcheson, what a terrific betting race this is, especially with two of the favorites parked on the outside.

Immediately, I’m going to toss Beethoven. He is certainly a good looking horse, but he had the perfect trip in his KJC win and will not have that luxury from post 11 this time. I think he takes a step back.

The 10 post for West Side Bernie also concerns me, but he has been drilling like a monster and I was very impressed by his Delta Jackpot. Don’t like him for top prize, but he is a must use in exotics.

There are plenty of playable longshots in here, including Rockland, Bruce N Autumn and Stately Character, but in the end I settled on Danger to Society.  This well-bred son of Harlan’s Holiday impressed me more than Free Country in that Jan. 8 allowance race at Gulfstream. He showed the ability to rate, stamina and that second gear that all Derby winners have. This will be a big class jump for him, but he’s proven on the track, at the distance and should get a nice, clean trip from post 2 under Albarado. Ken McPeek has been red hot.

I’ll play exactas 2/1,6,7,10 and 1,6,7,10/2.

Courtesy of Brisnet.com, here is a link to the Ultimate PPs for the race.

Also, a good opportunity to make some money is in race 8 – Nicanor’s debut. Whenever a horse is hyped like this, you can be sure the betting public will back him. We have seen it many times, most recently with The Green Monkey. Often times, you can find huge overlays by going against them.

I’m hoping that is the case here. It’s a full field of 12 and there should be a big return waiting if Nicanor gets beat. I like (7) Boyhood Dream, who gets lasix for the first time.

If Nicanor wins, that’s great too. I know a lot of people will be pulling for him and I wish everyone luck. Have a great weekend and be sure to let me know who you like.

56 Comments:

I know I am in the minority here, but I just don't think the money is going to jump all over Nicanor.  It is a very different following than Green Monkey.  I could be wrong, since early line has him as second choice.  I do love his training partner though in the Bull.

brettzky99 29 Jan 2009 3:44 PM

Won't going to the races this weekend be what they often refer to as a busman's holiday?  Ha! I do hope you are having fun on your vacation and will soak up lots of sunshine to take back to the cold country with you.  In the Hutcheson, I really like Hello Broadway and Breakwater Edison, too so I'm not going to argue your selections.  The Holy Bull should be interesting, but here my heart rules as I was so crazy about Smarty Jones, I'm hoping that Rockland can pull it off.  For Nicanor's race, of course I am hoping he will win it, but since it is his first start we'll all just have to see how he does.  Above all, I hope all the horses have a safe trip.

txhorsefan 29 Jan 2009 5:12 PM

Nicanor still may scratch he is not going to win.This is a Green Monkey buildup all over again with same results -failure.The shakeout begins with these 2 prep races, lets see who the stiffs will be.

2 time valley palyer of the year 29 Jan 2009 6:19 PM

Hiya!  Florida sounds considerably warmer than the UK too at present!  What happened to Global warming?  Only kidding!!!!

Hope you are wrong about Beethoven!  Will be cheering for Barclay Tagg's, Breakwater Eddison (Lemon Drop Kid)and of course Nicanor!  But yes the main thing is that each horse and jockey comes back safely!

Enjoyed your extensive article on Bloodhorse.com about some of the Kentucky Derby hopefuls!  Plenty of Seattle Slew's progeny in with a chance and didn't they do well in the Experimental handicap!   Well done Sky Mesa too for coming out on top overall!

This is a great article as ever and enjoy the remainder of your holiday and the sun!!!!

God Bless

Best wishes

Abbie

Abbie Knowles 29 Jan 2009 7:29 PM

Fri. Race 7.  I look for Checklist to win big. I don't think he'll have the seasoning for Derby, but could be a Preakness factor.

In the Hutcheson, I'll take the sprinter, Z Day. Beware Mid-Atlantic horses.

In the Holy Bull, I'm interested in El Crespo, who trys dirt for the first time and has Buckpasser three times in his pedigree.  

David 29 Jan 2009 9:38 PM

Have to say I think Nicanor will scratch and make his first start on the turf.  That maiden race came up strong and Matz hasn't waited this long to see have him lose by 10 to Dubinsky.

Also think Salo Jak is good value in the Hutcheson.

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Wrongly 29 Jan 2009 10:14 PM

Hey no kidding is the Holy Bull a betting race! Glad your taking a break,how close are you to Gulfstream? Miami or FtLauderdale? Or are you inland? Do me a favor and take a good look at the Harlan's Holidays in that race. I like both of them but Saratoga Sinner is REALLY got to step up his game. If you get a chance just for fun check out Pompano, it's like 3 blocks from Wal-Mart. I'm jealous, your at my all time fav place. I want to retire there.

Wanda 29 Jan 2009 11:23 PM

This is a tough race and last year Smooth Air showed some closing talent to take the Hutcheson. 7 furlongs is a tough race for these new 3 year old horses.  Look for Captain Candy Man to show he is the best sprinter. Break Water has done nothing wrong except lose to the best 3 year old in the world Vineyard Haven.  Break Water comes up just short go with the Captain. In the Holly Bull West Side Bernie needs to show he has the talent and overcome the 10 post. Remember he lost to Midshipman by only 3 lengths in his 3rd race ever.  Should he overcome the outside and win the bandwagon will get very large for him and the Derby. His trip was wide for the Breeders Cup and a better trip should get him the win.

draynay 29 Jan 2009 11:59 PM

I'm looking forward to watching how things begin to shake out. The Holy Bull appears to come down to 2 horses both who recorded a higher Beyer Fig at 2 than last years Derby winner did at the same age. Breakwater Edison and Hello Broadway are going to be the ones to watch. Another who recorded a higher Beyer Fig at 2 than last years Derby winner is Z-Day and he may be the wild card here.

Saturdays Holy Bull should come down to Danger To Society and West Side Bernie. Like Jason I give the edge to Danger To Society. I like Saratoga Sinner, Stately Character, and Idol Maker as longshots underneath.

I'm dissapointed that we will not get a chance to see Big Drama run this weekend. He's another of a long list of hopefuls that recorded a higher Beyer Fig as a 2 yr old than last years Derby winner did at the same age. Any update on his injury to report?

draynot 30 Jan 2009 8:24 AM

Hey Wanda: Im near Ft. Lauderdale, in Delray Beach. Very nice place. I can see why you want to retire down here. Who needs the cold??

jshandler 30 Jan 2009 10:02 AM

Draynot: The Big Drama setback is very minor. THe trainer just wanted to give him an extra week or so. He'll be back in action in February.

jshandler 30 Jan 2009 10:03 AM

Abbie,

Hello Broadway is trained by Barclay Tagg, not Breakwater. I like Hello to win with Breakwater, Captain C. Man and R.R for a tri key. Also like my gal C.S. Silk in the Forward Gal even though we didn't mention that race here. They're both on the same card today. Haven't quite made my breakdowns for the Bull yet. I kind of like Danger to Society but will have to study that race a little more before placing a bet tomorrow. I don't think Nic. will scratch not sure if I'll be betting that race kind of like Dubinsky. Wishing them all a safe trip no matter who wins.

DONNA 30 Jan 2009 10:06 AM

My pick for the Hutcheson is Break Water Edison.  The fact that he hasn't raced for two months doesn't really bother me since trainer John Kimmel chose to work 4f on the 14th (:49.4 B) to 5f on the 21st (1:00.4 B) then backed down on the 28th to 3f (:36.1 Bg). Throwing in this short work should sharpen him yet leave enough for the race...we'll see.

My trifecta will include Hello Broadway and Salo Jak.  Salo Jak seems to be a closer if he can stay close enough in the early going.

nmclean 30 Jan 2009 10:14 AM

can i get my questions answered?

The king of the derby 30 Jan 2009 10:16 AM

If El Crespo converts T/D with weigh off it's his to lose. Dave

racetrackdave 30 Jan 2009 10:22 AM

Last years Hutcheson didn't produce much of anything (the winner crawled home to edge away with a last furlong in 13.4 to barely win and there turned out to be nobody in that race). I'm hoping for better things out of this years crop of 3 yr olds. There are some intriguing prospects here with Breakwater Edison and Hello Broadway leading the way.

The Holy Bull featured even less than the Hutcheson in 2008 in the way of talent from a very thin crop of 3 yr olds. This years field looks to have some potential but I don't think you'll find a Derby winner here. Danger To Society, West Side Bernie and Beethoven (I much prefer Billy Powell on the piano, god rest his soul) look to have the most upside.

slyder 30 Jan 2009 11:37 AM

Hey Jason your north of where we stayed last time we were down there. If you have a car your not to far from Pompano but if your driving down to Gulfstream take the turnpike or the A1A and cut across. We took the bus thru Hollywood and parts of it are pretty scary! Yeah I know dumb Canadians! When we went to Calder we took the bus and missed it coming back. We walked for like half an hour before stopping at a gas station for directions. A very nice lady gave us a ride to the next bus stop.

Lauderdale by the sea has a pier and some really nice places to eat and shop. You can get around with the bus but next time we go we'll rent a car for sure.

See any nice bodies on the beach or pool? The boss got a sore neck the first few days down there.

Wanda 30 Jan 2009 11:40 AM

I have to disagree with you about Rocketing Returns....although I am a big Zito fan.  Two starts back, when he BARELY won by a nose and received his Beyere fig of 106...I don;t think that was that good of a race.  Yeah, Beyer gave him a 106 maybe, but his BRIS Speed fig was only a 83.  Its hard for me to believe the 106 (so the runner up by a nose probably received a 105).  I put have tons more faith in the numbers BRIS publishes...they are less subjective than Beyers.  Just my IMO!  Good Luck!

DRFKEE213 30 Jan 2009 1:23 PM

In the Hutcheson, I went with Rocketing Returns. Probably only a sprinter but that should be enough here. Going with McPeek's horse Danger to Society in the Holy Bull.

As for Nicanor, I hope he wins but I'm playing Dubinsky. He looks prime to win this.

Teaser 30 Jan 2009 2:04 PM

Hello Jason:

Ft. Lauderdale is nice,I'm org. from Miami and miss the warm weather. Do you think Major Motion Picture is already "out" of the Derby picture?

MIKE RELVA 30 Jan 2009 3:05 PM

Slyder what are you talking about ?

Smooth Air won the Hutch last year and he was a nobody ? The winner of the Ohio Derby and runner up in the Florida Derby and winner of a grass stakes at Calder and he is a nobody ?  Poor horse did pretty well considering he was fighting foot problems all year.  Check the tape and look who finished right behind Curlin in the Breeders Cup.  A nobody huh.... silly.

draynay 30 Jan 2009 3:32 PM

Hi Donna yes realised after posting that I had the wrong trainer for Breakwater Eddison.  Sorry about that! Hello Broadway sounds lovely too and hope he goes well.  

However my fab fave four are Midshipman, Stardom Bound, Freisan Fire and Nicanor!  But it can only be hoped that they will be there on the big day at this stage and am not sure if I want Nicanor to be. It may come too soon for him!

God Bless

Best Wishes

Abbie

Abbie Knowles 30 Jan 2009 3:33 PM

Hi Jason!

I have just been trawling my way through your Breeders Cup and wish list for 2009 blog site, which took some time!!!!!!  I agree with what you wrote and with what some of the others did too; but oh boy did some get hot under the collar!  Totally agree about agreeing to differ and that blogsites should be fun!!!!

I have always lived in the UK where there is zero toleance for medication, as you know!  Do not believe our racing suffers as a result and no way would trainers get away with cheating if they were caught.  Which means i am not saying cheating does not happen over here just that real efforts are being made to clean up racing's act in this Country.  Not always successfully sadly.

Totally agree about what you say about owners responsibilty to their horses and am thrilled by what Fairmount are aiming to do both as regards zero tolerance and bans for any use of slaughter facilities by trainers and rehabilitation for horses that race at Fairmount once their racing days are over, also i think they are suggesting Owners contribute to their horses welfare as well!  Good on them!  May other tracks quickly follow suit!!!

Your comments and Mr Haskin's made a lot of sense and am so pleased you both stand up for the horses and for the integrity of our beloved sport!

God Bless you both, all who truly love horses and the Sport of Kings and King of Sports that also has plenty of need for the little guys and gals and those who work in the background but are still very important.

All the best and take care

Best Wishes

Abbie

Abbie Knowles 30 Jan 2009 4:32 PM

Sorry gang,look for the freak horse to hit the wire first. I'm talking about the new American Idol.  Johnny V & Pletcher return with a monster.

joe1018 30 Jan 2009 8:22 PM

Candyman was much the best just as I expected.  What I did not expect was the performance put in by Break Water Edison.  Mr. Kimmel your horse was not ready to race.  To tell you the truth he was no where near ready.  Your horse was struggling before the half mile pole.  Unless something was wrong with the horse you have some explaining to do.  Now maybe you will listen to me Jason and bet on West Side Bernie ;-)

Draynay 30 Jan 2009 9:17 PM

Dray: Watch the race again. Hello Broadway took all the heat in a speed duel and still held up well in the stretch. His performance was more impressive than CCM, despite finishing second. CCM had the dream trip. You can have CCM next out and I'll take HB.

jshandler 30 Jan 2009 9:50 PM

Dray, BWE lost not only to VH but to Run Away and Hide. RAH went 6 1/2 Furlongs in 115.67 and VH went 7F in 123.40 when he beat BWE. Hmmm.

I agree Jason, HB is big on the radar.

Just think 73 degrees in January and ocean year round. Not to rub it in, but.........

Bradgm 30 Jan 2009 10:17 PM

Jason you can have him.  He races well but has no nose for the wire. Horse has had 4 chances and only won his Maiden... no thanks you can have him.  Speed duel ? Maybe you better watch the race again... you can't run those splits and call it a speed duel.

draynay 30 Jan 2009 11:04 PM

To: DRAYNAY

I agree with your remarks regarding Smooth Air. I like him and one problem of so-called fans is they always find a weak excuse to knock a horse that runs his brains out! He could win fifty in a row and it's still not good enough. You are on point!

MIKE RELVA 30 Jan 2009 11:37 PM

I saw the replay and I also thought that Hello Broadway had the better race. I still would not throw ou Break Water Edison on the derby trail.In the Holy Bull, I see Danger to Society taking the race hoping that beethoven, WSB and Idol maker make good showings.

RJPPDP 31 Jan 2009 1:31 AM

For the Holy Bull I am going with Bruce N Autumn, Danger To Society and Beethoven.  

nmclean 31 Jan 2009 8:42 AM

Kinda liking Saratoga Sinner as an upset value today. Obvious ones to watch are Danger To Society and West Side Bernie. Stately Character is coming around and is bred out of this world for the distance. Not a betting man, but would use him under the top three.

TonyC 31 Jan 2009 10:12 AM

I also would like to know what happened to Breakwater in the Hutcheson. He did not run a lick, very disappointing. Never thought Bee Cee Cee ever had a chance where did that horse come from? He cost me a tri. I'm kind of leaning towards Idol Maker today for the Bull, still not quite decided yet.

DONNA 31 Jan 2009 10:34 AM

West Side Bernie is a Graded Stakes winner in this race vs. Allowance and Maiden winners.  His race against Big Drama and Midshipman were impressive and there is no Midshipman in this race.  His works say he is the one to beat.  Lets see if he can do it from the 10 post.

Draynay 31 Jan 2009 10:49 AM

Well one thing about the Holy Bull it will separate the men from the boys, a 1 1/8 will do that.

Wanda 31 Jan 2009 11:40 AM

To: 2TIME VALLEY PLAYER

Your crystal ball will go haywire today when Nicanor wins or takes second. You seem to already have him beaten before he's even in the gate,let me know how that works out for you,lol!

MIKE RELVA 31 Jan 2009 4:03 PM

Good day at the OTB Jason I boxed 2,3,4{EX} in the Holy Bull. Hey more money for Vegas!

Wanda 31 Jan 2009 7:09 PM

To "TonyC":  Too bad you're not a betting man, your "SARATOGA SINNER" won a 12-1.  For the Feb 12-15 Future, I like "Old Fashioned," he worked in 58.4 for a Fairgrounds race on the 16th.  "Big Drama," and "The Pamplemousse," along with "Vineyard Haven," are horses I'll use in this 1st pool wager.

bobbywine 31 Jan 2009 9:34 PM

Could be a Candy Man Chocolate/ Candy exacta in Kentucky.  

Signed...The Undefeated (on both dirt and turf, highest Beyer of the year-123) Candy Ride.

Householderj 01 Feb 2009 12:02 AM

Once again the horses we thought would be shoe in winners in the Hutchinson and Holy Bull disappointed up.  The Derby trail is always full of suprises.  I am happy to report that Take the Points won is allowance race at Gulf Stream yesterday, with Edgar Prado up, by 2 lengths and he was coming off of a 4 month layoff.  I am hoping that his connections will point him to the Fountain of Youth.  I think he could be the sleeper.  Yes, I bred him but until he proves me wrong I think the is the real deal.  This is for all the mom and pop breeders like me who have only a couple mares and a dream in our heart.

phoenixky1 01 Feb 2009 10:19 AM

West Side Bernie was the best horse in the race but the 10 post proved to be too much.  The wide post caused him to head for the rail 8 to 10 lengths back into the first turn and despite a good looking move at the top of the stretch he simply didn't have enough to go 6 wide and hawk down the leaders.  With each stakes race that goes by I am more and more impressed with the Big Brown victory from the IMPOSSIBLE 12 post at Gulfstream.  Just ask West Side and Beethoven how impossible it really is.

draynay 01 Feb 2009 1:58 PM

The Hutcheson winner didn't impress much as he had a dream trip. The good thing is that compared to last years running at least the winner didn't crawl home the last furlong.

Yes draynay Smooth Air has never impressed me. 2nd in the Fla. Derby was a gimmee, he beat nothing to come in there. Someone had to win the Ohio Derby, it was a patheticly weak race, Cherokee Artist, Z Fortune, Medjool, Your Round, Instill, Celtic Metal, and Stolen Chevey? That's who he beat. NOBODY!!  After his win in the Hutcheson he was whipped next out in the Sam Davis by Fierce Wind and Big Truck, two more nobody's. He got whipped by Anak Nakal and Acai (WHO?) in the PA. Derby as well. Not exactally world beaters there either, I see Anak Nakal hasn't gotten any better as his effort in the Donn showed. In each of his races aside from the Ohio Derby at 1 1/8 or longer he drifted in the stretch and was tiring. Hardly the sign of a good horse. His Derby effort if you can call it that was horrible. Maybe a year of maturity will help him but that remains to be seen. I see he didn't win the Sunshine Millions as you predicted he would, guess the competition came up too strong to enter.

Nobody in the Holy Bull excited me much. A rather pedestrian pace and the final time wasn't anything to write home about. I'm hoping someone steps up next out from this effort, but I don't see a Derby winner here either.

slyder 01 Feb 2009 3:03 PM

Great Jason!  On to the Robert B. Lewis...Pioneer of the Nile is working up a storm.  Stardom Bound goes a little earlier that day (Feb.7).  

Householder 01 Feb 2009 5:53 PM

Slyder Smooth Air is a multiple stakes winner and a stakes winner on turf as well.  His feet have been a problem but like I said he finished right behind CURLIN in the Breeders Cup so you can continue to bash him but a healthy Smooth Air this year will continue to win more stakes races.  Curlin won horse of the year for beating AP Arrow and Wanderin Boy so ease up on Smooth Air.

draynay 02 Feb 2009 12:42 AM

All the hype leading up to these two races and what a letdown. I saw nothing much here in either race to write home about. At least it's only the beginning of the Derby Trail. There is still hope this years Derby field comes up better than last years where they were so weak it allowed a horse to win from the 20 hole because of lack of competition. I hope we never see a Derby field that weak again.

draynot 02 Feb 2009 7:51 AM

None of the performances in the Hutcheson or Holy Bull did much for me. I do however see that we had another instance of a horse that won from the 14 hole, yes the 14 hole in a stakes in case draynay wonders, and this in a route (mile turf on jan. 18, Jack Spratt the winner) where the turns sre much tighter and it's far more difficult to do than on the dirt at 1 1/8 from the 12 hole (not 14 hole like this was)with a longer run to the first turn, kinder turns, and a speed favoring track like his hero did against far inferior competition.

Stakes win from the 14 hole starting much closer to the first turn and with far tighter turns to negotiate. Guess it's not impossible once again.

gw_bushwacker 02 Feb 2009 10:28 AM

phoenixky1:Checked your horse out. His sire was pretty handy{turf and dirt} and his first crop seems to be able to run on anything. The mare is a nice out cross on the bottom side. Nice to see Graustark on the mares side. The best of luck to you and hope your "mom and pop" operation gets some glory this year! Hang in there cause it's people like you that keep the game going in tough times.

Wanda 02 Feb 2009 10:48 AM

Dray, according to you Curlin sucks, so why is Smooth Air finishing behind him a big deal. I mean you have bashed him all year, so wouldn't in your logic that make Smooth air an even bigger nobody? Another thing is Smooth Air finished right behind Curlin on Pro ride which playes like turf, which Smooth air like probably better than dirt, and Curlin doesn't, so it makes sence SA would finish closer to Curlin than he might have if the race had been on dirt. Back to my question, why all of a sudden is Curlin such a good horse, when last year he was just a one trick pony?

LDP 02 Feb 2009 12:45 PM

draynay,

I'll do that. Didn't know I needed your permission to express my opinions though.

Yup Curlin won HOY once again. He won because he consistently beat better horses than the other nominees even faced. It's no wonder that Big Brown finished a distant third in that voting, he faced or beat nothing special and of far less class than Curlin did all year. I'm tired of the debate, Curlin deserved HOY, the connections of Big Brown had their chances to face Curlin prior to the Br. Cup and chose to duck him. If he had beaten Curlin I would have been inclined to say he deserved the award. It didn't happen. Curlin faced better, beat better, and was barely beaten by better than Big Brown ever faced, much less beat. Curlin didn't get beat by a maiden and allowance eligible horses either last year. Every horse that ever beat Curlin had a G1 victory or more to their name. Not many in history can match that claim.

slyder 02 Feb 2009 2:45 PM

No horse has ever won a stakes race from the 12 post AT GULFSTREAM GOING A MILE AND 1/8.  Nor are you going to see it anytime soon.  I don't care what happend on turf going a mile or anything else.  Tell me when a horse wins from the 12 post going a mile 1/8th on dirt at Gulfstream.  For the record I am saying it can't be done again except by GOD himself.

draynay 02 Feb 2009 3:12 PM

Now here's who I'm following at the moment:

West Coast; Shafted and I Want Revenge..both improving and would appreciate the longer distances.Stardom Bound,goes without saying.

Mid-West; Flat Out and Poltergeist..both had impressive last out races,will see how they do against tougher next outing.

Florida; not impressed by ANY of the horses so far,but watch for Beethoven to kick it up a notch after his wide trip last out.Should be a lot fitter for his 2nd race off the lay-off.

East Coast; Tranquil Manner has every right to be top-class.Look for him in the Whirlaway next out.

Louisiana; I'll wait til' after the Risen Star,though I'm hoping that Indygo Mountain shows something besides all that hype and Au Moon drew a terrible post.Friesen Fire looks like he finally figured it out,but we'll see.

Slews' Rule!!!  

Slew.em.All 04 Feb 2009 12:08 AM

Winning from the 12 hole at 1 1/8 will happen again when the race sets up the way it did in last years Fla. Derby. There was nobody to beat there and by far the best horse landed in the 12 spot. Added to that was the fact he was a speed or up front running horse and there was no other speed in the race. Everybody knows GP plays heavily to speed as this years Hutcheson and Holy Bull showed once again. You are either on top or near the front if you are going to win. Last years feat in the Florida Derby isn't what you want it to be. The race set up for the winner and he had nobody to beat. Ideal circumstances to pull that one off. If it never happens again part of the reason is that maybe in the future no race will set up so perfectly for those relagated to the 12 hole. He didn't have much to do to win that race. Just get out front and cruise and beat nobody to the wire.

gw_bushwacker 04 Feb 2009 7:38 AM

gw_bushwacker same old tired argument Big Brown beat no one.  Funny thing is Smooth Air won stakes races on dirt and grass something Curlin could not do and finished right behind Curlin in the Breeders Cup. When Curlin faced a decent 3 year old he got whipped.  Lucky thing he never came across the best 3 year old last year he would have lost by 10. Say what you want you let me know when ANY HORSE in stakes race on dirt at Gulfstream going 11/8 pulls a win out of the 12 post. Two very good horse last week were stuck out wide and got beat by a marginal Maiden winner.

draynay 04 Feb 2009 2:17 PM

some people will NEVER get it..ahem!draynay!

Those 2 "very good horses" last week weren't "Lone Speed" types cruising on the lead at Talladega,er..Gulfstream Park.

And what's with the Smooth Air stuff?..who did he beat on dirt/turf?...yeah,I thought so.

Jason,your welcome,..anytime bro!(lol)...do I get a free grab-bag?

Slew.em.All 04 Feb 2009 5:50 PM

Draynay,

Smooth Air is nothing special. He's only beaten to date horses from last years pathetic 3 yr old american class. Someone had to win those races. His stakes wins come with a big asterisk in that regard. As for Curlin his loss in the Classic was to the best 3 yr old in the world last year by far and the 2nd best 3 yr old in the world last year finished in 2nd in the same race. Every horse who beat Curlin in his lifetime had one or more G1 race. I know of no other horse in history who can make that claim and if there is it's a very exclusive group. Unlike your Big Brown he NEVER got beat by a mere Maiden or NW2 Other Than Allowance eligible Horses.

Curlin would have run Big Brown into the ground if they had ever met on dirt. Big Brown's best beyer figs didn't even match up to Wanderin Boy's best figs much less Curlins.

gw_bushwacker 06 Feb 2009 7:58 AM

I was watching a minor state restricted 75k stakes over the weekend and was wondering if the smooth air I saw was the same super horse draynay has been touting. Imagine my "shock" when this must be "imposter" was beaten by a horse that was 7 lengths behind him with only 2 furlongs to go. The eventual winner had trouble in the lane as he had to veer outside another who came out in front of him and still managed to blow on by. Tell me it ain't so, smooth air beaten in a restricted 75k race? It had to have been an imposter, right?

gw_bushwacker 09 Feb 2009 7:41 AM

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