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Lexington Stakes Analysis

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Well, here we are, just over two weeks away from Derby 135. On paper, it is shaping up to be one of the most wide-open Derbys is recent memory. In fact, there have been seven horses that have won multiple prep races at a mile or over this season, and five of them will go on to Louisville.

This weekend, we have the last major Derby prep with the Lexington Stakes at Keeneland. And while in recent years this race has not produced any major Derby contenders, it is still the final chance for horses to earn enough graded earnings to get into the dance. In essence, it's a "Win and You're In" race.

A quick reminder to join me right here for another live blog chat on Saturday, April 18 at noon EDT. We'll go over the Lexington in-depth and talk about all the major players in the Derby. Joining me for a second time will be Double Deuce from The WinnersForum.com. Deuce will give out free plays from several racetracks around the country.

Now, let's take a look at the Lexington:

On Paper, Square Eddie has a huge class edge over his 11 contenders. He is the only grade I winner and one of only two graded stakes winners in the field. He has the added bonus of having his graded stakes victory here at Keeneland, which of course came in the Breeders' Futurity last fall. He then ran a solid second in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile at Santa Anita.

Of course, the big question mark with Square Eddie is how he will perform off a three-month layoff. He has the shin injury which caused him to miss more than a month of training. By all accounts, he is fit as can be, but we won't know if he is his former self until the race. In my opinion, just on class alone, he has to be included in all exotics. He'll likely be 2-1 or lower by post time, so we have to find some horses to hook him up with. I found three or four.

The first colt I'll take a look at is Jeranimo, who draws the inside post. This California shipper has hit the board in all four starts this season, and it is his last race that got my attention. Jeranimo ran third and was beaten only 2 1/4 lengths by Pioneerof the Nile in the San Felipe on March 14 at Santa Anita. It seems that every horse that has been competitive against Pioneerof the Nile this season has come east to run well in preps. Jeranimo has had all four of his starts over synthetics and his last two have been at the Lexington distance of 1 1/16 miles.

The second horse I'll look at is Omniscient, a well-bred son of Pulpit. Unraced as a juvenile, he has won two of his three starts this season, both at Fair Grounds. He earned solid speed figures in both. He has had three works at Keeneland, including a bullet move on April 7. It looks as though he has enough speed to be forwardly placed. And of course, having Steve Asmussen as his trainer doesn't hurt. Asmussen, the leading trainer in the country, doesn't have a Derby horse this year. Maybe this is the one.

I may also throw in Hull, who was a runaway winner in both of his starts. His last was a 6 1/2-furlong allowance sprint on the Turfway Polytrack when he won by eight lengths. This is his first time stretching out to two turns and he does break from post 12, but he has enough speed to get into striking position. Miguel Mena is a very underrated rider at Keeneland and the owners, Heiligbrodt Racing, win an awful lot of races at this track.

El Crespo, the other graded stakes winner in the field, and Brave Victory, who has faced some tough customers in his career, are the other horses I will consider.

This race is a scramble, any way you look at it. It always is. After Square Eddie, there is no real standout and in my opinion, no real Derby contenders. There are unlimited way to play it, but I will likely box four of five of the above horses in an exacta. The ones I choose will depend on the prices.

For now, I'll say a box with Square Eddie, Jeranimo and Omniscient for sure. I will decide between Hull, El Crespo and Brave Victory after seeing them in the paddock on Saturday.

Good luck to everyone. Who do you like?

123 Comments:

Square Eddy will roll in this race and he will go on to the derby and surprise allot of people. He is truly champion material. I'm not saying he will win,( although he could)but he will definitely put in a good performance.

I think this will set up nicely for a win in one of the other classics

CB Man 16 Apr 2009 10:36 AM

Got to believe in SE Jason. He's the only live ticket I got left from Vegas. If the boss has any pull up there he'll help him along.

Wanda 16 Apr 2009 10:46 AM

I agree, now's the time to get aboard the Square Eddie bandwagen because when he rolls by 4-8 lenths in a hand ride it's to late.

I'm putting him in my top 5 now, and I can say I'm the first on the blogs to do so.

QR

Dunkirk

SE

GQ

IWR

Travis L 16 Apr 2009 11:19 AM

To: Steve Haskin

Put Square Eddie in your Derby Dozen around number 5 or 6 right now!, and be a genius! Don't wait until after the Lexington.

Travis L 16 Apr 2009 11:32 AM

Omniscient for the win... Asmussen wants to be in the Derby so this horse will be ready.  Square Eddie just needs a nice easy 2nd place finish.

Jason... all I have heard is how weak the group was last year... can they even find 20 horses worth putting in the gates this year? Talk about a weak group...Quality Road can jog to a win this year.

Draynay 16 Apr 2009 11:39 AM

My picks...

Parade Clown (Hottest jockey, Julien Leparoux)

Pitched Perfectly(Alan Garcia)

Square Eddie(E. Prado)

My dark horse is Omniscient(Robby Albarado)

Superfecta boxed...Trifecta Boxed

Greg J. 16 Apr 2009 12:26 PM

Hull looks like a scratch because of post and will run in Derby Trial

SunnyDays 16 Apr 2009 12:35 PM

What are your thoughts:

Let's say Square Eddie wins, Don't you think just two weeks before Derby is too close for him to be a factor in Derby?

Also, Let's Say he is near the back of the pack coming down the stretch, Do you think they will want him to go all out just to win, Won't that affect him in the Derby also?

Curious what you think...

Greg J. 16 Apr 2009 12:44 PM

Greg: I dont think 2 weeks is too close. By today's stardards maybe, but they used to run horses in the Derby Trail the Tuesday before the Derby for the longest time. No. If Square Eddie is the real deal, he will be ready for the Derby. That being said, he wont be my pick :)

Jason Shandler 16 Apr 2009 1:04 PM

Thanks Jason...

Off the Subject,

Pick of the Month Today: @Keeneland,"MISSION IMPAZIBLE" Race 5, Velazquez /Pletcher Combo...

This Horse is SCARY fast....

Greg J. 16 Apr 2009 1:15 PM

Not to get off topic, but there has been a distinct lack of crotchety old guy posts. Does anyone know where Mike Relva's been?

I don't like Square Eddie on dirt, but he's the class of the Lexington (obviously).

Tiznowbaby 16 Apr 2009 2:20 PM

Tiznowbaby: LOL. I hear ya. Where is all the anger on here?

Jason Shandler 16 Apr 2009 2:29 PM

Tiznowbaby

Dont' like Square Eddie on Dirt,what's that based on?

Travis L 16 Apr 2009 2:34 PM

I'm kind of worried about Square Eddie coming back so soon.  I realize he has top Vets taking care of him but it scares me that he's coming back in 3 months.  I just hope he doesn't re-injure himself.  He's a wonderful horse.

Draynay, there really are some good horses coming into the Derby.  Quality Road is not the only horse running and it's not as though he has it in the bag.  ANYTHING can happen on Derby Day!

Monica V 16 Apr 2009 2:39 PM

Quality Road with only one route race under his belt & supporting a problem quarter crack will not jog to a win this year as Draynay suggests....This isnt the same super speedway they had prepared for him in Florida & will have to "JOG" a bit longer to get to the finish line....If Square Eddie runs well in the race he will show up to run on derby day....derby fever will get the best of them thats why they are running Saturday.

jerry 16 Apr 2009 3:08 PM

I hear ya Tiznowbaby! Anybody want to step up and replace some of these guys?

While we're on the subject, where's my home boys? Brad,Big,Jordan etc.

Come on you Cal breds lets hear at least a hello from you.

Wanda 16 Apr 2009 3:10 PM

Jason,

Tiznowbaby, like a lot of others, probably doesn't like any horse who will be going from the poly to dirt for the first time.  Some horses are great on anything like Zenyatta and then some others aren't like Dominican.  Square Eddie may be bred to do well on dirt but it remains to be seen.  Either way I don't think he will be NEARLY fit enough to make noise in a Derby of this depth and talent off such stunted preparation. The only way I would even consider Square Eddie in my bets on Derby Day is if he wins this race without ever coming off the bridle by no more than 2 lengths.  Just my 2 cents.

ryanmoseley 16 Apr 2009 3:12 PM

Greg J: Good call on Mission Impazible. He was even-money but the way he won the race was impressive.

Jason Shandler 16 Apr 2009 3:20 PM

El Crespo has the best turf form which should translate well to the poly. Masala may be the sleeper. I'll key these two in my wagers.

Flounder 16 Apr 2009 3:27 PM

Surprisingly, Ryan, I like POTN and Chocolate Candy, I'm just not liking Eddie for the Derby, even assuming he does well Saturday.

Travis L., don't like Eddie on dirt based on he hasn't run on it. All his wins and places have been on synth. Yes, that is at complete odds with liking POTN who hasn't either, but that's the way I feel.

And seriously, does anyone know if Mike Relva is OK?

Tiznowbaby 16 Apr 2009 3:29 PM

Square Eddie Omniscent and Brave Victory... maybe throw in Parade Clown just because Leparoux is on fire. Come Derby Day, should Square Eddie run well he should make a nice run in the Classic. I honestly don't belive he will be able to touch

I Want Revenge

Pioneerof The Nile

Quality Road      or

General Quarters who are my top picks for that day.

Lady Ruffian 16 Apr 2009 3:44 PM

ryanmosley

Better start putting SE in your bets now, because 2 or more lenths is going to happen 100%.

Travis L 16 Apr 2009 3:47 PM

Jerry... you mean the one route race Quality Road had where he set the all time record for the distance at the track?  Do you think for some reason Churchill is not going to be hard and fast ?  When Quality Road fires a 1:35 mile in the Derby where is everyone going to be?  He can waltz home in 25 seconds and beat everyone by 8.  Show me another horse that has fired ANYTHING close to a 1:35 mile going 2 turns 1 1/16th or longer...... I will wait.

draynay 16 Apr 2009 3:53 PM

Jason,

   Thanks, I love the speed this guy has, Great late rush, Once he learns, Watch out...Had a $100 for him to win, I will take it...Almost a sure thing, lol...

Greg J. 16 Apr 2009 3:54 PM

Greg: I am sure at the top of the lane you wished you had your money back. He looked dead in the water.

Jason Shandler 16 Apr 2009 4:02 PM

Gosh, Dray, when did 1 1/8 become a route race? American racing has fallen farther than I thought.

Tiznowbaby 16 Apr 2009 4:09 PM

Jason,

     I was flipping out a little, even more so since it was only 4 1/2 F...Made me Sweat....

Greg J. 16 Apr 2009 4:14 PM

Off topic re the Lexington, but just for those who may not have caught this bit of news:

Papa Clem's winning Beyer Speed Figure in the Arkansas Derby has been upgraded from 99 to 101.

For Big Red 16 Apr 2009 4:22 PM

hey dray, i do hope you come back when QR doesn't win the derby.  Oh, an one other thing. Would you stop mentioning that he broke the track record.  How many track records were broke that day.  I am not saying he isn't fast, but would you at least stop using that fact.

dave 16 Apr 2009 4:27 PM

IF comparing raw split times from different tracks and horses that run different paths around those different tracks weren't so incredibly stupid, then Draynay might have a point.  But unfortunately for him, it IS incredibly stupid, as any real handicapper will certainly tell you.

I can't wait for his long list of excuses and "aww shucks, no big deal"s when Quality Road is beaten.  And apparently in addition to being a grade-school level handicapper, he is now also a weatherman and a track composition expert and knows the track will be dry and hard on Derby Day, despite the fact that even if that ends up being true that the CD and GP strips have a very different soil composition.

As for the Lex, I will try to beat the favorite here, winning a G1 race at 2 years old means very little now as most horses have matured a great deal from 3-6 months ago.  Parade Clown has run well enough to win in the past, but is very erratic, so hard to tell if you will get a good race.  Will probably use Jeranimo and Masala as well, still need to see the TG and BRIS data to be sure.

Tread 16 Apr 2009 4:46 PM

FYI,

   Owner Barry Irwin released a statement after entries were taken saying Hull would be scratched from the Lexington in favor of the April 25 Derby Trial S. (G3) at Churchill Downs.

Greg J. 16 Apr 2009 4:49 PM

For people posting 6f and/or 1mile splits of "said" horses.Go right ahead,but the Ky.Derby is 1 1/4miles long and many horses have hit that proverbial "wall" the last 1/8.I'll stick with the Stalking,Long-winded Stretch Runners to get it done.

Slew.em.All 16 Apr 2009 4:59 PM

dave... I saw 2 amazing performances the 7 furlong duel between This Ones For Phil and Big Drama and the Florida Derby with Quality Road digging in to beat a hard charging Dunkirk.  Back to back track records by superior horses running times faster than anything we had seen all meet.

Draynay 16 Apr 2009 5:12 PM

When/If QR runs a 135 mile in the derby it means:

1.) He would win if the race was carded at 1m and 70yards

2.) He won't hit the board at 1-1/4 miles.

Also talk about less than stellar fields, not 1 stakes winner in the Florida Derby, yikes

AirPower 16 Apr 2009 5:13 PM

Hi Jason, I just saw that Mafaaz is not going to the Derby, so looks like there will be another spot open! That's good news for all the lower earner horses!

OLDFASHIONED GAL 16 Apr 2009 5:41 PM

Tiznowbaby: lol...the crotchety old guy's like Mike Relva & Robert H. have been "exposed" by way of their absolutely horrible predictions and picks.Pride is precious I guess.....ssh,I think I hear a faint whimper... :) :(

Slew.em.All 16 Apr 2009 5:42 PM

QR is a good horse but I see FF overtaking him to win the Derby. FF looking at some numbers is bred well for the distance and only going 1 1/16 in his races will not matter.

Mike 16 Apr 2009 6:09 PM

Air Power... maybe you did not see Quality Road in the Florida Derby but he ran a 1:35 mile like it was nothing came home strong and set a track record and had no problem running out another 200 yards past the wire.  So 1 1/4 is not an issue he has already done it.  Your belief that he just can make it another 200 yards is just silly and makes me believe you need to watch the Florida Derby AGAIN.  This is the time of year you need to quit looking and face the facts. I said the SAME THING 3 years ago about Barbaro and many told me he had no chance against Sweetnorthernsaint.  Two years ago I told all that would listen Street Sense was too much for Curlin and again I was told I was nuts.  Last year everyone named numerous horses and I said, STOP IT !  Big Brown is the winner get over it.  Well here we are 2009 2 weeks before the Derby and I am telling you to STOP IT.  You don't need to get hit with a brick to know who the fastest most talented horse is.  Quality Road is your winner ... get over it.

Draynay 16 Apr 2009 6:21 PM

Jason,

I love your blogs!  They draw Draynay everytime and it's almost a repeat of last year!  Quality Road is his Big Brown this year.  I've never seen anyone as confident about a horse as he is.  He is also confident that most  Derby winners won the Florida Derby.  I mean, what is wrong with the rest of us?  We can't see what's so apparent to Draynay.  He has the winner and no horse could possibly beat him.  Sorry, there are a lot of better horses this year than last.  It won't be so easy as last year, this year there is competition and I still say it's going to be a horse that will be a big upset.

Draynay, God bless you!  You do keep things hopping!

Monica V 16 Apr 2009 7:05 PM

square eddie's been my favorite for the derby since his first start in america. his class bloodlines and speed puts him above everybody else. he'll win the lexington go to the derby and hopefully win. i looove this horse!=] hes fantastic and deserves to be in everybodys derby dozen! he's my #1, him and pioneer of the nile=]

olivia 16 Apr 2009 9:05 PM

RR will run QR into the ground and either will finish in the top 5

capper 16 Apr 2009 9:17 PM

Honestly, I have never liked Square Eddie for the Derby, I just don't think his Poly form will transfer to the dirt. Also, based on the running rates of most thoroughbreds nowadays, the two week turn-around might be a little too soon for him. If this was eighty years ago and horses often ran like that, then yes, he might be, but since they're so lightly raced, they're just not ready for it. I'm also a little bit suspicious of the three month layoff, but if he runs like he did in the Breeders Futurity, or even in the Breeders Cup, I think he'll do  fine in the Lexington.

As for my dark horses, I would have to go with Brave Victory and Masala (He just looks ready for a big one) and I'll throw in Parade Clown too.

As for the Derby, I do like Quality Road, and he has gone two turns, but the mile and a quarter might be a question. I feel the same way with Dunkirk. His run around the far turn in the Florida Derby was spectacular.

As for I Want Revenge, I think that he has one of the better shots of taking the Derby, and this year I personally think it's a wide open field. With the polytrack being installed on so many tracks, it is a little bit tougher to gauge the talent of some of these west coast horses (Chocolate Candy and Pioneerof The Nile).

If any of these Poly horses transfer their form to the dirt, I think we'll have one heck of a race. If not, well, then we will get a couple of horses that are proven on dirt to fill out the board.

Whisperoak

Whisperoak 16 Apr 2009 11:58 PM

Square Eddie...stick with yet another of the west's gun slingers.  Is Quality Road training in a bar shoe?  

Householder 17 Apr 2009 1:42 AM

JASON.  What do you think about Chocolate Candy picking up Mike Smith?  The guy had one hell of a Breeder's Cup and we all remember the Giacomo ride!  He seems to fit this horses riding style a little better than most.  Patience, Patience, MOVE!

Householder 17 Apr 2009 1:45 AM

Based on Papa Clem's Beyer adjustment, I have adjusted the Santa Anita Derby Beyer's to 100 for POTN and 99 for Chocolate Candy.  No wait.  How far was POTN if front of Papa Clem a few back?  Perhaps the adjustment should be more like 105 POTN 104 Chocolate Candy.

Householder 17 Apr 2009 1:59 AM

SQUARE EDDIE DEFEATED PIONEER OF THE NILE TWICE IN HIS CAREER, IN THE BREEDERS CUP WHERE HE FINISHED 2ND TO PIONEER OF THE NILE'S 5TH AND IN THE LANE'S END WHERE HE FINISHED 1ST TO PIONEER OF THE NILE'S 3RD...SQUARE EDDIE WILL WIN THE DERBY PERIOD

MRR 17 Apr 2009 2:06 AM

Square Eddie (Smart Strike) out of an El Gran Senor mare...good night!  Is this the same Square Eddie that was 10 in front of POTN last time at Keenland?

Householder 17 Apr 2009 2:08 AM

Lexington winner? It doesn't matter in terms of the KY Derby. They are all wanna be's (Square Eddie is way up against it in terms of the time he's lost). This year in no way resembles last year when only 4 of the 20 had put up a 100 Beyer prior to the Derby which was by far the lowest number in many many years. Already in the field Quality Road, I Want Revenge, Dunkirk (he'll be there), General Quarters, Friesan Fire, Desert Party and Regal Ransom (if he goes)both of who's numbers equate to 100 or better Beyers, West Side Bernie, Papa Clem, and Win Willy (if he goes), have topped that figure. If less than 20 go which is now being bantered about it will be because the field is too strong to consider running against and there is plenty of money to be won in the likes of the Lone Star Derby etc. to waste an effort where you have no chance. Last year it was assured that 20 would go because of the weakness of the field outside of one. Any of a number of horses had a legitimate shot of finishing on the board and second or third in the Derby is a nice thing to have on a resume not to mention the money that goes with it. Make no mistake this ain't 2008 and thank god for that.

draynot 17 Apr 2009 7:58 AM

If it was cool & rainy, I would favor early speed and go with Pitched Perfectly/Sq Eddie exacta.

But with forecast 70's and sunny, i'll go with stalkers El Crespo and Parade Clown (courtesy of Leparoux)

AC 17 Apr 2009 7:58 AM

Draynay......that track record is bogus as everything ran fast that day & most everything on the front end without closers....I hope he does run 1:35 for the mile in the derby so the closers have something to run by....as for Big Drama & Phil werent they on the undercard.....We are talking derby contenders....as for the track hard & fast it will be,but a fair track not like the one at the Gulf is every winter....of course it could rain but you are a better weather man than I am...just remember someone always goes crazy on the front end in every derby & if Regal Ransom engages Quality Road early then watch for Desert Party & other closers to pick them off come rain or shine....

jerry 17 Apr 2009 8:58 AM

I don't know why more trainer's don't use the Lexington as a prep for the Derby....especially those (in Cali & Fla) who've already run a 1 1/8 earlier in the year....a 1 1/16 race, two weeks out should be a perfect set-up, and  a lot of them wouldn't even need to win (depending on graded earnings), just get a good prep out of it. The year Unbridled won the Derby, I watched as Craig Perret turned his stick under at the eighth pole in the Blue Grass and hand rode him in....remember what happened? Same with Sea Hero, Thunder Gulch, etc., etc....Not that their trainer's are trying to get them beat, but they are called 'preps' for a reason!

TK in Texas 17 Apr 2009 9:05 AM

Also Dray, Garrett Gomez will have something to say about this derby when commits to the horse he intends to ride....Baffert may still need to find a rider if he passes on the P.O.THE NILE & takes Dunkirk  (the one that did close ground on Fla.Derby day when nobody else did all day) as for the other superior horses you mentioned you can find them @ AQU.running in the Withers next time out....ILL check back to see if they set track records up there.....

jerry 17 Apr 2009 9:08 AM

Tread,

Leaving SE out of the Lexington is grade school handicapping 101.

Travis L 17 Apr 2009 9:11 AM

I wouldn't give QR the roses just yet....perfect stalking trips behind cheap speed at Gulfstream, (which was very speed favoring in routes this year) doesn't automatically win you the Derby. Dunkirk had shot his shot by the time he eye-balled QR, and couldn't be expected to sustain that run over that track.

They are obviously 2 very nice colts, but many times those over-confident stalking (too close, usually) trips at CD, get horses beat (Point Given). It's easy to still be going too fast in the Derby, even laying 4th or 5th.

I believe a horse 'should' show his best when the trip is ideal, like QR's Florida races, and he did. I don't see him improving (more likely regressing) without the ideal trip. He may get the trip he needs, but that's much harder in a 20 horse field in Louisville.

I Want Revenge has been easily the most impressive, but Talamo (?)  will need to work out a clean trip.....Chocolate Candy closed into a paceless SA Derby and could be a sleeper on dirt.....FFire & PioneerOTNile have done very little wrong.....other polytrack prepper's (General Qtrs) may take to the 'real' dirt like IWR & PClem....Should be a lot of fun in the next couple of weeks and maybe the most wide open Derby in years....possibly 3-4 co-favorites and a real betting opportunity.....I can't wait!

TK in Texas 17 Apr 2009 9:22 AM

FYI,

    Saw this on "DRF":

    “The graded earnings clause, which determines the starting field if more than the maximum 20 horses enter the Derby, is quite controversial, but there's a worst-case scenario lurking that Churchill Downs officials are probably hoping to avoid.

“Charitable Man and Dunkirk are tied in graded stakes earnings with $150,000. If they end up tied for the final spot in the field, the published conditions of the Derby state that the next tie-breaker would be earnings in non-restricted stakes races.

“That would still leave them tied. After that, the final tie-breaker says starting berths ‘shall be determined by lot’. In other words, a shake or pill pull.

“If El Crespo finishes second in the Lexington, he also would have $150,000 in graded earnings. Like Charitable Man and Dunkirk, he has no earnings from any other non-restricted stakes races…”

Those of us not so secretly rooting for this Derby doomsday scenario to play out, are not at all motivated by schadenfreude--gloating at somebody else’s bad luck.

WHAT A MESS !!!

Greg J. 17 Apr 2009 9:23 AM

Just read G. Gomez blog. Says he will announce on Sun. who he will ride May 2. Sounds like he is leaning toward Dunkirk to me. I really don't care who wins Lex, no derby threat will come out of race in my humble opinion. Dray, will you please tone it down just a little, the more facts you post the more people will jump on the QR bandwagon. I want him to be third or fourth betting choice. I will wait for post postition draw before I make my picks.

longwaytomay 17 Apr 2009 10:08 AM

I hate to see all the injuries this year.  You could have a pretty nice graded stakes field with horses that are healing or retired.  How would they have strengnthend this year's field?

Midshipmen, Street Hero, Run Away and Hide, Beetoven, Old Fashioned, The Pamplemouse,Rocketing Returns, Saratoga Sinner...

Bucky Newguy 17 Apr 2009 10:30 AM

i looked at the odds last night hull is 20-1 and i also noticed he won his last 2 starts but he is untested and ive never heard of the jockey not to say that he isnt good i just go with jockeys im familure with on my sheet i have hull ranked 3rd but i will not be suprised if he blowes everybodys shirts off tomorrow im not sure if ill take him in the derby because of the time between lexington and the kentucky derby i think askin a horse to run 2 races in 2 weeks might be the wrong move i know that the triple crown is  races in 5 weeks but you want a horse to be fresh for the derby i think the problem this year with all the injurys is all these trainers run these horses races to close together when they sont realy need to

MATT H. 17 Apr 2009 10:45 AM

SqEd just needs a nice 2nd without being asked, shich he should get. Don't discount Shug's horse in your exotics, he doesn't run for the exercise.

scott 17 Apr 2009 10:56 AM

Dray-your numerous posts about other horses are they didn't beat anybody and you of course failed to answer that part of my response, Quality Road beat absolutely nothing in the Florida Derby, no stakes winners, nothing, 4 of the 7 horses were 36 to 1 or higher, and JoJo was 7-2 (hah) ... so when QR goes in the KD he will have to beat more than 1 horse, good luck with that

AirPower 17 Apr 2009 10:57 AM

Gulfstream Park became a new track just a few years ago when it was dug up and changed from an 8f oval to a 9f one. All the old track records were wiped out and new ones set. The fastest 9f run at any incarnation of GP is still Jumping Hill's 1:46 2/5, set in the 1979 Donn H.

Ann in Lexington 17 Apr 2009 10:59 AM

So this is what we know, if QR is in a 2 horse field going a mile and an eigth, with an ideal trip and no quarter crack issues, he should win...If he is in a 20 horse field going 1-1/4 with quarter crack issues probably not so much of a chance

AirPower 17 Apr 2009 11:01 AM

dunkirk,went by QR after the wire in the florida derby ....if dunkirk had 1 or 2 more life time starts .....he would beat QR by at least 5 lenths.....QR will NOT beat dunkirk in the derby......and dunkirk off of 3 life time starts won,t win either......I might be wrong ..but SE beat POTN at keeneland  easy last year....I have not decided on my derby horse at this time ....but it won,t be QR   or dunkirk.

mickey 17 Apr 2009 11:03 AM

Monica... Monica... help me.  Help me spread the word I have received from the sacred mountain.  I am trying to tell everyone Quality Road is the chosen one but so many choose to worship false idols like Friesan Fire and I Want Revenge.  Monica help others to see the light.  Help others to repent their evil ways and come toward the light. Even if you don't believe or choose to speak ill of him Quality Road will forgive you.

Help me spread the word Monica the word of Quality Road.

draynay 17 Apr 2009 11:12 AM

Looks like QR will officially miss a work, this is not good for QR supporters,  going into the KD less than 100% prepared is not a winning formula  ......... The Latest on Quality Road. 'the foot is doing very well. At this point, it appears as if it will not affect the horse’s preparation or performance.'"

"QR will probably not have a published work this week, just a long, strong gallop. His last major work will be on Friday, April 24 or Saturday, April 25. He will ship to Kentucky via Tex Sutton on the afternoon of Tuesday, April 28 and train up to the race at Churchill

IWantVictory 17 Apr 2009 11:13 AM

Dray,

QR is your pick. Get over it! lol

The Rock 17 Apr 2009 11:38 AM

Jerry ... what are you talking about ?  Regal Ransom ? Speed ? Did you see his splits ? You call that speed ? You can't be serious... let him run with Quality Road and we will see where he ends up on Derby Day. If he is ANYWHERE near Quality Road he won't finish in the top 10.  There aren't any horses in the race with any real speed except Quality Road you better look at War Emblem in 2002 to see how this years Derby is going to play out.

draynay 17 Apr 2009 11:39 AM

before everyone starts saying QR....only had 3 life time starts going into the florida derby ......my point is at equal starts dunkirk is a better horse.....also keep in mind that they (management) of gulfstream set the track up for a horse that was stabled there and made it very difficult for a shipper to compete....thus todd pletchers comments on national t.v.....YOU can bet the farm that the churchill track will (NOT) be that bias on derby day if you guys and girls ...don,t think pletcher and other hall of fame trainers have not spoke to churchills (managment)about the florida derby debloical your dreaming....AGAIN...dunkirk over QR in the derby ...but dunkirk also will not win off of 3 life time starts ....would anybody like to bet dunkirk will be 1or2 in the preakness...now thats a LOCK.

mickey 17 Apr 2009 11:44 AM

AirPower... do you like to hear yourself talk ?  Quality Road is the fastest horse in the Derby. At the Quarter pole there will be 18 horse BEHIND him so who cares how many are in the race?  He has faced large fields before but when you are in front ... what is behind you doesn't mean much.  Who did he beat in the Florida Derby? lol... he beat Dunkirk who is Dunkirk? Come back after the Derby and tell me where Dunkirk finished and that will answer your question.

Quality Road sets a track record FIRST TIME going 2 turns and you think he can get beat in May ? Good luck with that.

draynay 17 Apr 2009 11:44 AM

longwaytomay... are you kidding me? Do you really think I could change many minds?  I have a hard enough time getting my wife to agree with me!  It doesn't matter how many facts you throw at people they want to pick their horse for the Derby. They have no idea why and can't defend it but they STILL want to pick it.  Let me give you an example.  Friesan Fire has beaten up on weak fields running weak splits and weak finishing times and has never gone beyond 1 1/16th and will have nearly 2 months off heading into the Derby. That horse has better odds of learning to fly then he does winning the Derby but people will actually put money on him to win. Why? Well... because he beat some slower horses at that little track down south.

draynay 17 Apr 2009 11:56 AM

Iwantvictory, Pay attention!! Quality Road worked today!! Six fulongs in 1:12 No issue with the foot so far. The horse is a beast, wake up and smell the roses!!

longwaytomay 17 Apr 2009 11:57 AM

Draynay

Another miss informed person about Quality Road, I guess the 1:12 six furlong was a gallop for QR, I guess that makes sense. If it was a true work he would have went in 1:10

Travis L 17 Apr 2009 12:17 PM

Quality Road turned in a sharp six-furlong work in 1:12 2/5 Friday over the Belmont training track.

“He went three-quarters in 1:12 2/5 and galloped out in just under 1:26"

Well, Looks good,still think that Quarter Crack will come back to haunt him, We will see...

By the way, The Derby Winner, "Friesan Fire" will be working a mile this sunday, after his work on tuesday of Five Furlongs in 1.00:40 Breezing...

Saez: “I thought he worked well. He handles this track well and he is getting better and better all the time.”.....

Can't wait, So Dray can eat his words..., lol

Dray, Watch this video.., then maybe you will see the light:

www.youtube.com/watch

Greg J. 17 Apr 2009 12:21 PM

I am laying odds that QR......will not make it through the triple crown....quarter cracks seem to become problems with competative pounding....thus big brown which had walk overs in both the derby and preakness...far less competition ....by the belmont it was party over....QR will have far more competition this year in the first 2 legs....will the wheels fall off ....stay tuned.

mickey 17 Apr 2009 12:42 PM

QR worked 1:12 and change, so beware of trainer's.....galloped out in 1:25:4 +/-....They say they're not going to CD 'til Tuesday before the Derby....anyway, just an update!

TK in Texas 17 Apr 2009 12:48 PM

Jason,

     Watch Race #4 today at Keeneland, Not as big of a lock as yesterday's "MISSION IMPAZIBLE", But love how fast this 2 year old filly is: "Up in Lights", Another Sprint(4 1/2 F) with Prado aboard, I am taking the $200 from "MISSION IMPAZIBLE" and putting in on her to WIN(M.line is 10-1)(Don't like the 10 post though), Got nothing to lose!

We will see.....

Greg J. 17 Apr 2009 12:51 PM

Travis, why don't you check what Thorograph says about Square Eddie when they release the Lexington as their Race of the Week on their website later today.  

Let me guess, the guys at Thorograph know nothing about horses after their decades of experience and you know better than they do.  Yeah, right.

I'm not saying Square Eddie wont win, I'm saying there are other horses in the race just as fast as he is, who are not recovering from injuries, and any good handicapper realizes that all good 3 year olds are making major improvements this time of year and that many times 2yr old stakes winners do not do as well as other horses catch up and surpass them as they get older.  Maybe that is the case here, maybe not, but with all the money SE will be taking, there is plenty of value in playing against him given the circumstances.

Tread 17 Apr 2009 1:57 PM

Quality Road just worked 6 nice furlongs at Belmont. No quarter crack issues.

Frank J. 17 Apr 2009 2:05 PM

The Derby day track will be slow this year to prevent the chances of another injury...this will keep Quality Road from duplicating his usual race which would be the best of the bunch...Therefore I see Dunkirk benefiting the most to this type of track.  I believe a slow track will also benefit the grinders from behind like West Side Bernie and Win Willy if he goes. Does any one else think they will slow the track down for safety reasons?

Alejo 17 Apr 2009 2:34 PM

Baffert said he is still waiting for Gomez to commit to POTN!  I think he's waiting to see if Dunkirk gets into the race!  I hope Dunkirk gets in and Gomez rides him!  I have Dunkirk at 6-1 and 14-1 in the futures!

SpecBid 17 Apr 2009 2:35 PM

Travis L., When did six furlongs in 1:12 become slow? That's twelve seconds a clip. Twelve times ten equals two minutes. Two minutes is your derby winner!!

longwaytomay 17 Apr 2009 2:40 PM

I love the Lexington. It can lead to someone being added to the derby picture. I am going to play against square eddie but I am going to lock him in tris and supers. I think besides ONeill and Asmussen wanting so does Zito. I am playing brave victory 1st or 3rd then figure out the other horses. If Square Eddie gives a great performance, I still need to throw him out because the seasoning of the other horses in the derby.

By the way does anyone know who Dray likes in the derby?

RJPPDP 17 Apr 2009 3:28 PM

RIP Tin Cup Chalice

Another "little guy" who did big.

Kat 17 Apr 2009 3:29 PM

Having reviewed all the comments and observed the form, I think it might be prudent to watch Square Eddie rather than tout him a "certainty".  Smart punters know that there is no such thing as a certainty and I would rather have a mild 'flutter' on Jeranimo

JohnH 17 Apr 2009 4:05 PM

If gomez rides dunkirk then quality road should win ky derby on fast track only. I'll take el crespo in lex.

steve s 17 Apr 2009 4:23 PM

Travis L, I promise you there are very few people who do more research into the KY Derby than I do. I am not misinformed and unlike you I can spell misinformed.

longwaytomay 17 Apr 2009 6:50 PM

Eddie is one of the most overrated horses on the Derby trail. His top figure is a 91, which is a level six others in this supposedly overmatched field have reached. His handlers clearly believe he prefers turf and synthetics by the way they have handled him, and I really think they rushed him back too soon. He will be up for show, at best, and if he tries the Derby he's an easy throw out.

katmandu8 17 Apr 2009 7:03 PM

TO: SLEW em.ALL

Since you are sure IWR will win the Derby,I'll make you a bet: If he wins I'll never post on Jason's blog again,if you are wrong then you do the same. Is it a deal?

Mike Relva 17 Apr 2009 7:19 PM

TO: GREG J

HI,how are you? I just made Slew a bet regarding IWR. Let's see if he accepts it. lol

Mike Relva 17 Apr 2009 7:20 PM

Mr Meow J, your great pick for today Up in Lights was a stiff , you got carried away because of 1 winner you picked.This horse was like your Nicanor pick -a loser.Let the experts do the handicapping anybody can put picks in the blogs stick with picking up cats at the shelter.

Tk the reason trainers don't run in races so close together is because the horses are bred anywhere like the old Ironhorses which which were bred for stamina and longevity today its all about speed and weaker horses who are not as well conditioned and they pamper them too much afraid, they'll get tired or injured.

The Phantom 17 Apr 2009 8:38 PM

Ladbroke's (in England) has already posted their morning line odds for the Kentucky Derby: I Want Revenge 3 - 1, Dunkirk 6 - 1, Quality Road 6 - 1, Friesan Fire 7 - 1, Pioneerof the Nile 10 - 1.

Ragozin people are already focused on the negative race pattern of I Want Revenge, who ran a 0 in the Gotham and a 4 in the Wood. So much for not being able to get his Air Power in the Wood. Same thing will happen in the Kentucky Derby. He becomes a complete toss.

Quality Road was probably within a  couple of fifths, in his Fountain of Youth race, of breaking Commentator mile track record of 1:33 1/5 that the latter did as a 7 year-old. For the less than observant, Commentator was aided by a running start, which was how most races are timed in the United States, with a 60 - 70 foot delay before the timer is started. Gulfstream, for some unexplained reason, chose not to give horses the 60 - 70 foot running start, and began timing them from the opening of the gate. So, you are left to factor Commentator's track record was timer/track aided, and Quality Road's 1:35.01 timer/track slowed, on a decidedly slow track caused by the "new timing calibration" instituted at Gulfstream Park.

For what it is worth to you, Quality Road will not be on the lead. Johnnie V. will have Quality Road at the top of the stretch, and no one will pass him during the last quarter of a mile to the wire. With Quality Road's running style, there is no weakness. He is a man among boys. You will see, and you will learn. Some of you will make some money, because you recognized the obvious. And some of you, I can tell from what you have written, that you are still learning how to see because it's pretty obvious that you don't. Ignorance is bliss, at least until the race begins. Afterwards, you can say that I told you so, Quality Road, Superstar!!!

August Song 17 Apr 2009 9:01 PM

I think Quality Road rolls in the Derby.  He is big, fast, and rateable.  He also has a good temperment for the Derby.  And he is the fastest horse in the field.

I think it is foolish to dismiss Friesen Fire, who has just been flattered by Papa Clem's win.  I also think it is foolish to dismiss a horse as battle tested as I Want Revenge (although his shady trainer makes me not want to root for him).  

I don't think POTN is fast enough to win and he will finish up the track.

Good luck to everyone.  I'm pumped to be going to the Derby live for the first time.

2:24 17 Apr 2009 9:26 PM

Dray,

    The LA Derby was billed as one of the most competitive races this year. Then when FF destroys the field, ppl say it was a weak field. Come on ppl make your mind up! Dray if you want a weak field look at the FL Derby. Other than QR how many horses were graded stakes winners? In the FOY all your horse beat was an overmatched field of sprinters, and one TOFP, was not even at his best. TGJJ, is a good stakes horse, but not top 10 or even 12 matiral. You accuse other horses of beating up on weak fields, when all your pick does no different. QR finally met a good comeptitor in Dunkirk, and he need everything on his side to beat Dunkirk. People talk about Dunkirk getting tired, well, duh. The horse runs three furlong in 34 seconds, and still has to run a quarter mile more. He made up seven lengths on a speed favoring track. Believe me when this horse gets more experience into him your pick will be beaten, and it will be no contest.

LDP 17 Apr 2009 11:07 PM

Draynay, Regal Ransom might well run 10th as you say,but he will press Q.Road....Remember Mr.Maktoum ruler of Dubai wants to win badly & owns them both....Speed always kills in the derby,remember Song&aprayer in 2001...Monarchos ate them alive & the tri was over 24k....I remember it well as I had the ticket twice...Taxman liked it too...Watch for Desert Party or someone in the second flight...HIS MAJESTY Maktoum is due,plus I have a big ticket on him in vegas.

jerry 17 Apr 2009 11:26 PM

Parade Clown wins the Derby!  Why...it's the worst name ever for a Kentucky Derby winner.

Householder 18 Apr 2009 1:15 AM

Another great morning...

Ready to go ..will be at Keeneland for another beautiful day!

I saw an earlier message that Hull might be scratched...if so, that would really benefit SE.  I still believe the weather will "heat" up things and bring on the stalkers/closers.  Show money on Leparoux is a pretty good bet.  

AC 18 Apr 2009 4:31 AM

Mike,

    Hey, how have you been? I may be just blind, but i haven't seen you on the blogs much, where've you been?

LDP 18 Apr 2009 6:32 AM

LDP... you are so right what have I been thinking.  Freisan Fire and his 1:13 fractions are much better than the 1:09 Quality Road puts up while jogging. And who cares if Quality Road works out faster than FF runs in his races.  Friesan Fire beat evevryone in Louisiana and we all know how important that is come Derby Day.  I will just forget all about Quality Road and his track record FIRST TIME going 2 turns and pick FF who beat Terrain and Uno Mas who are much better than Dunkirk. Thanks for helping me LDP see the error of my ways.....read all that out loud and listen to how stupid all that sounds.  Good luck on Derby Day and do me a favor bet that slow moving plodder big because he will not be on a single ticket of mine.

draynay 18 Apr 2009 7:41 AM

I like Consevative hes good on the Turf so the Poly should be fine. He's peaking at the right time and if he gets into Derby his running style could have him in the Super.

ron in fla 18 Apr 2009 7:56 AM

Draynay,

Both Quality Road and Regal Ransom sires belongs to the most lethal group of Derby winning sires ever i.e., grandsons of Mr. Prospector. They have sired three of the last six and five of the last 13 derby winners. In term of speed they are both fast horses. Quality won his 61/2 furlongs debut recording splits of 23, 46, 1:09 4/5, 1:16. Regal Ransom who is not a sprinter won his 7 furlongs debut recording splits of 22.74, 45.44, 1:09.37, 1:22.42 at the tender age of 2yrs 3mnth.  Regal Ransom splits were the faster of the two debutant.  If you are into dosage RR is a 2 and QR is a 2.83. Regal Ransom has the speed to match Quality Road and he is from a more potent dam line.  His dam line features a combination of two of the most influential grandsires in the last 13 years and possible derby history i.e., Hail To Reason and Northern Dancer.  This dam line has featured in three of the last four and five of the last nine Derby winners. This combination appears in the dam line of Big Brown, Monarchos and Fusaichi Pegasus.

Regal Ransom’s pedigree is a lot like his grand dam sire, Roberto. He is in bred five times between his 3rd and 5th generations, while Roberto is inbred six times between his 4th & 5th. His victory in the UAE Derby mirrors that of Roberto’s victory in the Benson & Hedges Gold Cup. Regal Ransom was never expected to defeat Desert Party who easily defeated him on two previous occasions. Roberto was never expected to defeat Brigadier Gerard who was undefeated in fifteen career starts. One could argue that Regal Ransom led from gate to wire shocking his doubters. It was reported that “Roberto was out of the gates like a bat out of hell” Shocked racing fans watched as the colt never looked back, handing Brigadier Gerard his only defeat”

Regal Ransom’s dam was sired by Red Ransom, a son of the above mentioned Roberto. The 2006 Derby winner Barbaro was sired by Dynaformer a son of Roberto. The second dam of the 2008 Derby winner Big Brown was sires by Lear Fan a son of Roberto. The second dam of great Australian race mare Makybe Diva was sire by Roberto. Regal Ransom’s sire Distorted Humor has been flirting with another Derby winner since his 2003 success with Funny Cide.  One of the few 3YOs to defeat Curlin was Any Given Saturday. He destroyed both Hard Spun & Curlin in the 2007 Haskell. It took the photo camera to separate AGS and Street Sense in the Tampa Bay Derby. Who was his sire? Distorted Humor! A year earlier Barbaro was pushed to his maximum capacity by Sharp Humor to win the Florida Derby. Who was his sire? Distorted Humor! This guy sires quality horses.  

Dismiss Regal Ransom at your peril

Coldfacts 18 Apr 2009 9:13 AM

For the Lexington Stakes I am going with the son of Holy Bull, Hull.  I'll do an exacta box with Square Eddie being my other choice.

nmclean 18 Apr 2009 11:26 AM

One horse, SPEND A BUCK.  Yes he was lone speed after eternal Prince was sppoked by the infield and didn't get a good start but SAB destroyed the field in I believe the fourth fastest Derby.

psbjr 18 Apr 2009 11:51 AM

Mike Relva:  there you are! no need to go that far..I'm sure everyone is welcomed on this blog.But I've never declared IWR the out-right winner.I'm sticking with IWR,POTN & FF for the Derby and will Box them,plus add a couple of others for my Exotics...One thing is for sure though: I'm betting QR will NOT hit the board.

Slew.em.All 18 Apr 2009 1:16 PM

Mike Relva,

    Hey there, How have you been?, Haven't seen you in a while, Hope everything is well...

Slew.em.all,

    I agree, QR will not hit the board!

The Phantom,

    Yes, Up in lights did lose, At least I had the nerve to put up the $200.00 I won on "Mission Impazible", At 17-1, It would have been nice, But, I forgot, You must Hit every wager because you know everything...

Oh wait,

    Aren't you the same person that said M.Matz never trained another stakes winner besides Barbaro?(Mr. Matz has trained 13 other stakes winners)

    Aren't you the same person that said M.Matz never won a breeder's Cup?(Mr.Matz trained Round Pond to win the Breeders’ Cup Distaff,now Ladies' Classic)...

    Aren't you the same person that said Mr.Matz was a one hit wonder? If what I stated up above is a one hit wonder trainer, WOW, then you must be so right(Not to mention that Barbaro was the most dominate winner of the Kentucky Derby in the last 60 years!)

     So with all you knowledge Mr. Phantom, I apoligize for not winning with "Up in Lights"...

    I only strive to be perfect like you, lol.......

    Also, Your cat remark, So if I rescued two cats that were going to be killed the day I took them home from a shelter, That also must mean my Father who saved three horses from a kill shelter the day they were going to be killed don't meet you high standards....

     I am sorry we don't meet up to your high standards, lol...

Greg J. 18 Apr 2009 4:00 PM

Jason,

    Off topic, who are your top three for the Ben Ali Stakes tomorrow?, Just Curious...

Greg J. 18 Apr 2009 4:11 PM

HELLO DRAYNAY:

While I agree with much you say,also about QR. But,to totally discount FF I don't agree.

Mike Relva 18 Apr 2009 4:47 PM

HELLO LDP:

How are you? Sorry to hear about OF,I felt bad for you cause know you are a fan of his. I've been in Calif. visiting my gf,whom models part time,just returned this week. You have a good instinct on racing,I admire it!

Mike Relva 18 Apr 2009 4:51 PM

Dray,

    For one thing i don't bet, never have never will, at least not money. The track FF ran on was absolute slop, so it's no surprise that the fractions were slow, your horse on the other hand got to run on pavement, and beat a horse that you said was a plodder before your so called wonder horse beat him by less than two lengths. Must be nice to be a hypocrite, you can just switch from one horse to another. Believe me, being a hypocrite like you are and flip flopping around so much sounds a lot dumber that what you just twisted my words to mean. Just to let you know I never said FF would ever win, in fact i still like POTN and Dunkirk, both of which are more battle tested than your horse who gets perfect stalking trips behind cheap speed each time out. When your horse faces real speed up front and wins, not the cheap sprinters he's been facing, let me know.

LDP 18 Apr 2009 5:24 PM

Some "Advice", Be "Conservative" with "Square Eddie", The Owners and Trainer should pass on the Kentucky Derby...

Greg J. 18 Apr 2009 5:52 PM

Hey Mike,

    I was kinda sad about OF, he was such a talented colt. In the AK Derby, i wonder how much he would've won by if he hadn't been injured. On the bright side this is one competitive crop this year. SE ran a fantastic race today, but i'd wait till the preakness or Belmont for him. I'm torn between a couple of horses right now, i love POTN, but Dunkirk reminds me so much of Curlin and i think he's really talented. Then I also like FF, mainly because i like Larry jones, and feel he deserves it. O my gosh i think i'm starting to sound like Dray. I'm just joking. I'll make my pick for sure when post positions are drawn. So who do you like?

LDP 18 Apr 2009 8:30 PM

Jerry Brown, president of Thoro-Graph, the speed-figure service used by horseplayers, owners and trainers, was interviewed in a Ray Kerrison, a noted horseracing writer, column in today's New York Post. It is an interesting read.

I will summarize. "'Anyone of a bunch of horses could win.' "For all that, he has reached a firm conclusion on two of the hottest horses in the Derby --- I Want Revenge big winner of the Wood Memorial at Aqueduct, and Pioneerof the Nile, the Santa Anita Derby hero. 'I'll probably be betting against both of them,' he said. Both horses come from California. I Want Revenge ran well on its synthetic tracks, but exploded when switched to dirt at Aqueduct. And that's the problem. 'He's had his explosion from synthetics to dirt,' said Brown. 'His Wood was not as good as his Gotham. I think he has had his explosion and is headed the wrong way.' Out he goes Pioneerof the Nile is a mystery. He never has raced on dirt. His first two were on grass and his next six on synthetic tracks. Brown says that Pioneer's winning effort over Hollywood's dirt-like Cushion track was slower than his wins at Santa Anita's grass-like Pro-Ride. 'So I think he is less likely to run well over Churchill's dirt than some other horses.' Out he goes. Quality Road, the possible Derby favorite, also has Brown guessing. 'I thought he had the ability to be another Smarty Jones,' he said. 'He was very fast as a 2-year-old, then ran enormous races as a 3-year-old in the Fountain of Youth and the Florida derby. If he runs to his best he can win. But now he has come down with a quarter crack and that throws everything up in the air. He's the joker in the pack. The way he trains from here to the Derby, and what his people say about him, is going to be extremely important.' Brown is also not sold on another popular betting horse, Friesan Fire, who won the Louisiana Derby over a sloppy racetrack. 'He will need to improve to win,' Brown said.'He's fast enough to hit the board. But his big race was in the slop, and even if he runs that fast again, it will just make him a contender. I don't think he's going to move forward. He was not that fast as a 2-year-old. I don't regard him as a serious threat.' The nation's top jockey Garret Gomez, has the choice of riding Pioneerof the Nile or another contender, Dunkirk. Brown is waiting to see which way Gomez jumps. 'If Dunkirk gets in and Gomez decides to ride him, he is one of the horses you have to seriously consider,' Brown concluded."

Well, it looks like all of slew em if he could's choices, are all toss outs. Is anyone really surprised?  Better luck next year.  Slew is a wonderful handicrapper for the Derby. Your eliminating all the real contenders at the start is straight out of "Let It Ride." The joker is going to beat you. You have my vote for the Handicrapper of the Year Award. Keep up your good work.

August Song 18 Apr 2009 9:30 PM

To Jason & all the bashers insisting that the horses from Cali are too slow this year.lol...you're right in that recently,Cali horses have disappointed but,even I knew better than to consider say,.a Buddy Gil or Castledale having a realistic chance of taking the KY Derby,seriously.But I will say this;IWR and POTN are are stone-cold Racehorses for sure.POTN has done what he had to do,never mind the #'s or splits,wait til' he hits the dirt and gets to run his race,a real professional type and Baffert doesn't go to the Derby unless he has a very realistic shot at winning...IWR is Beast! Just check-out his Gotham performance for confirmation.If it wasn't for all that trouble in the Wood,he would've ran the same race as before,pulling away at the end by 8+ lengths in 1:58 flat,hand ridden no less.Plus these 2 are swifter than what they've shown,they do what they have to do.Also Friesan Fire will be fine.He's plenty fit with all those 2-turn races under his belt and he's definitely improving at the right time.A good Horseman like Jones knows how to get a horse ready after a 7week relaxing period.This Boy can boogie..General Quarters is for real.He loves Churchill and is also peaking just right.I'll use him in my bets for sure.Papa Clem isn't in the same league as POTN or IWR,and look at what he did against a game OF...CCandy is tough.He should take to the dirt beautifully and be at his best...Mr.Hotstuff reminds me of Giacoma and we know what he did right.

Slew.em.All 18 Apr 2009 9:59 PM

I Don't Think Quality Road Will Have Any Issues With The 1 1/4 Mile Distance In The Derby, I Think His Issue Will Be From Regal Ransom Or Any Of The Other Horses That Like To Run Up Front. If He Doesn't Rate (Although We Know He CAN, It's A Matter Of Him Doing It On Derby Day) Then He Could Have Some Issues.

Whisperoak 18 Apr 2009 11:43 PM

Thoro-graph Wrong song?..u mean the same people who had Haynesfield winning the Gotham?.The same Thoro-graphs who said IWR was going to 'bounce' in the Wood?.The same people who said IWR hasn't improved since he broke his maiden?.Really,those guys?...I rest my case.

So FF has no shot,because he was too slow as a 2yo,but Dunkirk has a shot and he didn't even race @ 2?..that makes no sense at all.You let other people handicap for you,and I'll do my own handicapping which has gotten' me a pretty good R.O.I on my 'capping skills.We'll see.

Slew.em.All 19 Apr 2009 12:34 PM

LOL, Garrett and Ron Anderson chose Pioneer. He couldn't beat Road with Dunkirk, why not try somebody else?

There is no weakness in Road's running style. He will not be on the lead. He has plenty of speed but, go back to class, Racing 101 if you cannot figure it out. He will NOT be on the lead.  He will be stalking Royal Ransom and Papa Clem and whoever else wants to fight it out up front. The Joker will stalk. The closers can get suck up trips but, they will be spinning their wheels to make up ground. Road, Johnnie V., and Jimmy into the winner's circle.

slew em if he could, last of the great handicrappers, will tell you otherwise. Listen to him, please. We want Road's odds to go up. I told you 2 months ago Road would win the Derby. slew em if he could, is still trying to guess who could possibly beat him. slew em if he could, might have a chance to pick the winner next year for the Derby, especially if only one horse is entered. Then, he just might get the winner.

August Song 19 Apr 2009 1:22 PM

SLEW:  I'll admit you hold a nice "hand" backing three horses to win while everybody else picks one but the "ace" (not the joker) Quality Road will beat you hands down buddy.  I tell you, start preparing your excuses from now.

Ranagulzion 19 Apr 2009 4:10 PM

August Song no disrespect but I'll give you a little advice from an old racetracker. On paper things look pretty cut and dried but let me tell you when that gate opens with 20 head coming out of it plan A or B or even C can go out the window pretty quick.

Wanda 19 Apr 2009 8:25 PM

Rana & wrong song:  QR is not even in my sight of vision,I'm not sweating him,I'll choose between IWR,POTN & FF the week of the Derby.

We'll see how QR reacts when he's facing speedy horses who aren't sprinters & won't back-up after 6f.--wrong song: since you believe thoro-graphs is the Gospel for racing,u might wanna' ask them which Adult Diapers work best for when you make a mess of yourself seeing your beloved shorten-stride down the lane.---Rana: u know better.U know my worth!   LOL...Peace!

Slew.em.All 19 Apr 2009 8:51 PM

The only horse with a shot at Quality Road at his best is IWR. Between the two of them nobody has come close to running as fast as they have. If Quality Road is at his best and avoids trouble there is no contest. I really hope he goes off as third choice or higher. It'll be like taking candy from a baby.

the_wiz 19 Apr 2009 9:45 PM

Remember slew em if he could, I'll tell you after the Derby, what really happened to Road, aka: The Joker, during the Fountain of Youth race. His connections know it, and I know it. But, alas, you don't, and won't know until after the Derby. Bet your 3 horses, or the other 19 horses. I'll stick with just one, my original choice from a couple of months ago to beat everybody else in the 135th Kentucky Derby. Milkshake loving, and steroid using Mullins, and his horse don't have a chance. Take all the 19 other horses in the Derby, and you still won't win. I'll just take the little large-sized Mr. Quality Road, aka: the Joker, with Johnnie V. to win it all. Jimmy Jerkens, who spent 20 years as the assistant under his dad - the one and only Giant Killer, will give his dad a great 80th birthday present. These are true trainers in ever sense of the word, not druggists. Show me where Jimmy or his dad ever had a horse test with a drug positive. Hay, oats, and water, and superb training are the answers. slew em if he could, you have 19 other horses to my 1, and you still won't win.

August Song 20 Apr 2009 4:15 AM

T sheik will not hit the board.vineyard haven was a bad buy but he dont care.

steve s 20 Apr 2009 4:56 PM

TO:THE PHANTOM

If you are of the mindset that Nicanor is a loser,you are wrong! Must be nice not to let knowledge get in the way!

Mike Relva 20 Apr 2009 6:21 PM

  I think I WANT REVENGE has a  great chance in the Derby.Any horse that can overcome a start like he did in the Wood has to be something special!

Shelly Pedigreejunkie 21 Apr 2009 11:34 AM


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