Jason,

You're BRILLIANT!!!

I mostly just lurk and enjoy the arguments, since my knowledge of horses is on par with my understanding of the financial world (what the hell is a "tranche", anyhow?); but don't you think this is like hanging a Trolls Welcome sign?

On the other hand, maybe if Draynay has to stay off the blog for a month, he will overdose on Cheetos and need to leave Mommy's basement to buy new pajamas.

This sounds like fun.  I still hope Rachel stays home.    

This may be as interesting as the Belmont......

Grey K, I have a question! Why do people want Rachel Alexandra to stay home, she is such a wonderful horse.  I just want more information from follks... not a horse person but really do love the likes of Zenyatta and Rachel..

Thank You!!

What a lot of fun...Draynay, if you were a fisherman, you'd be a tournament master...everyone ALWAYS rises to your "bait"...

Rachel A. (for real)

GREAT IDEA,

JESS JACKSON IS TRYING TO PSYCHE US ALL OUT, BY MAKING US SQUIRM!

 MAYBE HE IS WAITING FOR ROBBY ALBARADO?

Great idea.

Do we get to pick which month?  Let's see - the month before the Travers, or the month before the Breeders' Cup.........mmmmmm......

I like this idea but the blog won't be as funny without his off the wall comments.

Well this should be fun will he pick the "fluke"!

Jason you da man!!

A great idea but I think in the long term and if nay nay is banned for a month just think of all time he'll have to dream up a big pile of b.s. to bury us with when he returns.

Jason, what a great idea. No Draynay for one month. That will be outstanding! There is no way he is going to win. He is so far fetched and outlandish it would truely be a fluke and inspired by the devil himself if he did win. So let's all put our heads together and beat Mr. Outrageous comments, "Draynay".

Jason,

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

For heavens sake don't do this to me!! I can't handle a month with him not able to vent here. When he loses I'm going to have to take a month long trip far far away. Maybe to the West Coast to see the best Filly on the planet, Zenyatta?

Jason:  

What happened to the Barbaro Blog?

I love horses because of him and am learning about horses and racing...I am going to bet on my pick in the Belmont and sure am learning and loving it.....  

Jason, You are the BEST!!!! I am definitely playing! Where is Greg J???!!!!

OK, but Draynay has to promise not to post under another name AND he has to promise not to post stupid picks under other names. We don't want the deck stacked against us.

Nice idea Jason.

This will aide all handicappers, just look at draynay's picks and go to the window with confidence that it won't happen that way.

Win,lose or draw he needs a time out. I think it's a medication issue more than anything else.

Jason.  You are sooooooo funny.  Killer idea.  :)  Isn't this Thursday?  What is going on with RA?  I am stuck on stupid doing work all week and not paying attention.  Oh wait, the 6th is next Saturday not this.  Whewwwwwwwwwwwwww.  :)  

Jason,

LOL!  This is great!  Draynay must be proud to have reached this type of notoriety!  I think it is an inspired idea and I will definitely participate!

Yeah watch Draynay pick Mine That Bird for the win.  The truth will come out on this one LOL!

 A handicapping contest with the Belmont! Jason this a great idea b/c I can finally show everyone that I am the best handicapper on this blog. LOL

I love the passionate discourse with many on this blog like Sweet Terchi who seems nice but just doesn't know as much as me or with The Rock who I am still trying to teach.  There have been others like Greg J and Mike Relva who think they are on the right path but are still in the minor leagues. Then there is Curlin and Draynot who want to be like me but will never be good enough and will have to live with it the rest of their lives.  And there is also Lady Ruffian and Monica V who obviously have a crush on me.  All of them and many others have made this blog one of the best but Jason they ALL KNOW who the real handicapper is on this blog...ME! Now I get to prove it!

I will take this challenge for 2 reasons the first being I know I am a better handicapper then everyone here and the second reason I CAN'T WAIT to write my own blog about the sport WE all love so much. So I say bring it on I am ready to take on the Blog and may the best...Handicapper win... which we all know is me...DRAYNAY!

All kidding aside, this should be fun. Looking forward to it. Now we will all see who the real FLUKE is!

I think RA will not run, and I also think mtb connections need to get a jockey that wants to ride the derby winner. MTB is a good little horse and honestly calvin might have screwed himself for a triple crown if he would have rode mtb that might have made him tad better and a new jockey might have made ra tad worse. You never know but MTB is the real, and the connections need to stop being pushovers and make calvin commit. All of a sudden Calvin thinks he his above everyone, and hoenstly I think Jess Jackson wants Robby A on his horse, we will see down the line.

BRILLIANT!

Maybe Tom Durkin can be persuaded to end this year's Belmont race call with ...

"And it's going to be a dilly in the Belmont!"

Out handicapping Draynay shouldn't be hard. Not after the 735 different horses he picked to win the Derby.

Not surprising to see draynay taking things out of perspective and putting his own spin on this already. In no way would a "win" by draynay say anything about him being a better handicapper than anyone else individually. First of all it's only one race and second of all this is going to be a concensus pick. Someone here could hit it spot on but because of the averaging it wouldn't show up. Leave it to draynay that in the very very very very unlikely case his picks outperform a concencous he would take it as a mandate against everybody individually. He never makes much sense but always tries to spin things so that in his mind he can't be wrong.

    Perfect Jason!, A Guaranteed thirty days of no Dray, You have made my day! Now, We all know Dray will not have "Mine that Bird" in the top three, So that pretty much guarantees, At best, He will only get two out of three right(Which is a stretch considering his handicapping skills!), I think a general Consensus will be that "Mine that Bird" will hit the board and if Dray sticks to his convictions that "Mine that Bird" is a "Fluke", Then there is no way he will Pick the Bird. So we are ALL starting with a head start, already.  If he does have "Mine that Bird" in top Three, Well, That just confirms to us all, That he must Really, Deep down, LOVE "Mine that Bird", lol...

    PLEASE, I am begging EVERYONE, Study this race like no other in your life, Every waking moment from this point on until June 5, Study every aspect, Every detail, Every Nuance, Think of what is riding on these Picks?, A COMPLETE Month of NO Draynay!, This should be easier then taking candy away from a baby!, I, For one, cannot wait....

Now, if only Mr. Jackson would get off the pot...He's driving us all crazy! Could he be related to Draynay?

IF and that is a giant if draynay pulls one out of his arse I for one will seriously consider boycotting any blog he writes. The rest of you should as well. That would make a hollow victory indeed and what a statement against this raving lunatic.

Jason,

I predict a record number of hits on this particular blog. What a sorry statement that one (person) gets under so many peoples skin. The old saying goes that the squeaky wheel gets the grease and nay nay's is definitely a squeaky rusted out mind.

JASON: Two questions for you.

1. How can we be sure Draynay isn't posting with multiple screen names?

2. How do we know that Draynay isn't your alterego invented to drive us crazy -- and keep us coming back. ;-)

Snicker...sure wish we could use emoticons here. I have a pile of good ones that would work great for this subject, but these two links will have to suffice.

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You go, Ghostzapper!

I cannot believe how many folks think Calvin Borel did an honorable thing in taking off Mine That Bird to ride Rachel Alexandra in the Preakness. I don't care what anybody says, a Kentucky Derby win means that all of the winner's connections are held to a higher standard, which includes avoiding even the appearance of impropriety. Borel created a conflict of interest with his maneuver, in spirit if not in fact. The only reason he would want back on The Bird if RA does not run in the Belmont is to achieve his own "persoanl Triple Crown". The Bird's connections need to think twice about this jockey's motivations.  

Dray, you are now a certifiable legend!  You have exceeded Andy Warhol's measure of fame for the common man.  What next???

Jason,

    One Side note, You should have Dray pick his top five for the Belmont, Just in case there is one or more scratches from Friday's vote cut-off to the race on Saturday(Case in point, "I Want Revenge" scratched the day of the Derby!). I don't want any chance of Dray weasling out due to a voting error, lol...

Greg J.

You are so funny.  The thing I am afraid of is that Draynay really does love Mind That Bird and he WILL put him as one of the top three if not the winner.  Only time will tell.  I really think that if we just all ignore him, he would go away eventually but everyone seems to bite at his outragous and bull*** comments.  I myself pretty much ignore the punk but this is pretty funny LOL!

JASON: Another thought. Can we get Draynay to post his picks first. Then it would be easy for the blog to win as we'd just pick any horse he didn't. LOL!

Heck my 2 yr old gr-daughter out handicaped draynay in the Derby when she picked MTB to win. Using his logic she's already light years ahead of him as a handicapper. Does that one race really make her a better handicapper? I do know one thing for sure and that is she displays more common sense at 2 than him.

Jason,

You substituted (person) in place of my word which was another name for a donkey. I'm astonished.

Man am I torn... I must be honest that there have been times where I have agreed with Draynay (I got kicked in the face in the window, but that is another story).  However, I enjoy reading the banter back and fourth between the bloggers.  This is a great way to keep Dray from the blog, but man his ego may shoot through the roof with all of this publicity!

It should be a good Belmont, and I can't wait to finally get an entries list to begin handicapping it!

For Big Red,

      lol, Your Second emoticon was my exact reaction when I read Jason's topic!!!, Too Funny!, Everyone at my place of business was, "You O.K?", After I fell off my chair laughing...

Draynay wishes and prays that someone with half of his intelligence level would have a crush on him. From the sound of it even his 'better half' can't stomach him most of the time.

Jason is a genius. I don't have a doubt in my mind that the blog wins this one...easily.

Awww come on Jason! Did you really need to make his head even bigger by drawing more attention to him? Cheese n Rice. (Ego growing as we speak)............ It's like feeding the Blob! lol

I'm back on board for this. I've stayed away from this blog and found others just because of draynay. I'm looking forward to the beating he's going to take from all of you.

Jason- i bet i mistyped somewhere in my last post. (too excited lol)

Draynay wishes someone with half of my intelligence ... or anyone on this blog for that matter ... would have a crush on him is what i meant to say. hehehehe

Why is Chip agreeing with Calvin Borel that Mine That Bird is second fiddle to Rachel Alexander. It could very well be true, but by waiting on Borel to see if Rachel is starting in the Belmont before naming a jockey for his horse,he' agreeing with Borel that MTB is not up to par with Rachel.

Borel, by his action, is telling chip he's not going to give up Rachel to any other jockey, so Chip should find a jockey, and there are very good ones out here, who is willing to commit to MTB and say thanks to Borel for the Derby  victory and move on. MTB, in his last two races, has shown that he's for real and should be given the respect of a jockey who will commit to him.

What do you think>

I love you dray, even if no one else does.  This should be easy for you. They all think that (Mine That Bird) is going to finish in the money.  We know better.  Do it to it dray.

Jason,

 I think it should be against the rules for Dray to pick the fluke. It would be too hypocritcal for even Dray to pick the horse he says will NEVER win another race.

U are hilarious Jason!  WTG on a great way to motivate an entire group of bloggers!  I am SO ready for this! ;)  Bring it on Draynay...

I real had noproblem with Calvin choosing Rachel Alexander over MTB, because owners and trainers have taken jockeys off horses for 'better jockeys', none more evident than what Dutrow did to Prado on Saint Liam for Jerry Bailey. It's just that owner and trainers don't like the when it's done to them. They want to stay in the kitchen but really they can't stand the heat, so Calvin in looking out for his personal interest is perfectly okay, as far as I am concern.

draynays better half,

That's funny stuff. I really do feel for you though.

the_wiz,

I picked up on the same thing. draynay will twist anything and try to use that twisted logic to feel better about himself.

slyder,

You got a great backup plan. In case we lose just boycott draynay's blog.

karine,

You sure it was only 735 different horses that draynay said would blow all the others away in the Derby? I seriously question if Jason can pin this freak down to 3 choices.

Tiznowbaby,

You had to go and put that idea in draynay's head didn't you? If this were last year he would be stuffing the ballot box with votes for Da Tara, funny how that turned out against him wasn't it?

and last AND least for you draynay,

Break a leg!!

Rachel is not going in the Belmont!

Steve A will convince Jess J to run her in the Coaching Club American Oaks, Alabama, and Spinster. He will then go to the Distaff to face Zenyatta.

My picks for the Belmont are Charitable Man, Mine That Bird and Dunkirk.

Borel will ride Mine that Bird.

Let me assure all the rookie handicappers here that I will not be choosing the FLUKE as one of my top 3.  The FLUKE is a very tired horse and does not have the stride for this race.  Real handicappers would know that.

For Big Red....

Wonderful idea.  The punk needs to put his picks in first.  We don't want him stealing ours.  :)  Yeah you hit it right on the nose.  Good good good idea. Jason?????? Can we do that?  :)

Greg J.  

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!  LMFAOROTF!  :)

Jason.  If the dray doesn't put Mind That Bird in his picks he is dummer than we already know he is.  LOL  :)

Thanks Jason.  Wonderful idea and I agree with Greg J.  5 horses.  Just in case of a scratch.  :)

Jason, Hope you are right. It will be one of Dray's bigger mistakes.

J,

Do you think Mr. F will win the Woody Stevens

What happens in the event of a tie?

oldtimer......  and EVERYONE else.......  

Don't put your picks up until the punk puts his up.  Really he will steal the picks from Greg J. and a few others that really do know how to wager.  :)

Jason what have you done! Jk, jk.

Really though, the consequeces if he wins are just, oh i think i feel my brain burning at the thought of Draynay hosting a blog of any type. We must make sure he does not win, or we will all be doomed for eternity! On the flip side i think i like that month w/o dray, it sounds like a heaven, comprared to the hypothetical h/// i described ( shudder ). On a slightly more serious note, i do like the idea, it does sound rather enticing and fun, i love challenges. Dray BRING IT ON!!!

    Jason, i'm not sure how out of the loop i am by asking this, and i know it's off topic, but what happened to Crown of Thorns? He dropped off the TC trail and i haven't heard anything of him since. Do you know whats going on?

Jason, I will have no problem picking mine first. I trust you will not reveal my expert picks until after the blog makes its rookie picks.  AND may I add one thing gw bushwanker may I remind you that I will in good faith honor the bet and stay off the blog for a month should the most unlikely event occur and I lose. But to suggest people boycott the blog should I win is not only poor gamesmanship but it will not hurt me it will hurt Bloodhorse and Jason and I am sure that is not your intent.

Congrats to Draynay.  You are more famous than Charles Manson. :)  LOL

Dray,

Teach me? lol. You remind me of Cartman from South Park. You believe what you want to believe to fill your ego. I'm like Kyle trying to point out that its all in your head! Trying to make everyone see you for who you are. Although its not all that hard to figure you out in this forum. LOl

If he leaves MTB off his ticket there will be no tie.

Jason,

I have to hand it to you. This will be a very popular contest and you'll certainly keep the interest up. I'm in.

The fluke doesn't even feature in my top 5.  Come on Dray you can do it.

LOL too funny J! Good idea, I enjoy reading the blogs and occasionally comment, sometimes I think Dray is spot on, and sometimes I think he's lost his mind, and most often I think as you say, he says what he does on purpose, just to rile people..and boy do they rise to the bait! What would it be like if we didn't have him to laugh at, or cuss out??? lol

One day he should be a special guest...Does the picks start after they draw the pp's?

Clennox:

Your analogy loses sight of the guiding principle: the best interests of the horse.

Yes, owners and trainers do take jockeys off horses. But, they normally do so because they believe it's in the best interests of the horse at hand. But, if a jockey takes off a winning horse in the midst of the Triple Crown series to chase his own agenda, then the best interests of that horse are forsaken.

I still maintain this should be easy for dray.  You will all have MTB in the money, and when he doesn't dray will have it wrapped up.

1-mint that bird

2-summer bird

3- chocolate candy

Jason, if Draynay is soooooo confident he should pick first and reveal them

LDP,

    FYI, "Crown of Thorns" is still Owned by B. Wayne Hughes(Spendthrift) and still trained by Richard Mandella, He just recently resumed his training at Spendthrift(After recovering from his surgey in early 2008, The surgery was to have two screws placed in his left front cannon bone), Hope that helps...

Jason:

Forget "viral", this blog's gone nuclear! There'll be 10,000 comments by the time I get home tonight. Word is spreading about it throughout the B-H Blog Stable. Peeps are jumping over. Alert IT asap. I'm moving this to the top of my Favorites.

I'm not posting my comments often - but I do read most of the blog comments everyday. Over time, I have to say that I have developed love/hate relationship with Draynay! Sometimes he puts my thoughts just in the right words, and sometimes I just think (sorry Draynay :-) that he is just on some dope :-) I really do hope that he wins - the blog written by him would be something! Jason, I just hope that you will not regret your decision. As on the personal note - I have a feeling that MTB will win or place. I just hope people will show this little guy more respect, I was never a fan of his, but I do feel a respect for him after the Preakness. Best regards to all bloggers from Olimpia from "Windy City"

Jason- I'm wondering if Draynay may actually be spoofing all of us.  He seems almost too far out in left field to be real!  Do you or anyone else feel that he writes these outlandish things just because he knows that it pushes everyones' buttons, and then he sits back and laughs at the outraged replies he receives?  A month without his opinions would be great, but I would feel sorry for his"Better Half"!

Draynay is a joke I bet you that he wont put dunkirk on his top three for the derby. Hey draynay who did you say ran a 1:35 in second place for the florida derby oh yeah dunkirk then you disappeared for 2 weeks then came back with RA and now you feel like your the man. If you go back to his post he was hyping up dunkirk like he was quality road and we all know how much you love that horse. Dray if you dont have dunkirk in your top three then your a phony my man! With that said its Chocalate Candy time for the belmont my friends!

I saw in the register that the the winners of the Kentucky and Preakness have in the third line pedegree the same cross: Northe Dancer and Silent Screen, did you now if other Grade I had this croos file in the third line?.

Should be very interisting that this coul become a new way to breed for the future and try to keep a very good results...sincerily from Venezuela...If the filly runs the Belmont I think that could be a spectacular race because the Rachael Alexandra five croos pedegree and stamina..take a look for it...

Greg J

    Thanks, i was just wondering if they'd retired him. I had read about his injuries and the plate screws and surgury, but then nothing. I was hoping he'd win the derby that year. I wonder when he'll come back to race, hopefully soon. It should be interesting to see if he's bounced back.

Jason,

Reading about this contest made my day and cracked me up, I just wonder what your co-workers/writers think? haha!!

Jason,

If we stop posting picks where else is draynay going to come up with his? I think people are only trying to help him out. His mind doesn't work so well ya know.

Jason,

    I think Dray could be insane, lol. But honestly to stay involved with horses for over 10yrs at least, you've got to have some brain malfunction. I wonder what mine is? lol.

Where's little mikie relva in all this? has draynay gotten so worked up he forgot to log on as his alter ego?

Olivia,

    Hint, Don't show your cards just yet!, Don't want to help dray in the slightest(Spot on with your picks, Love the Birds!, Even though it is still a little early, Still don't know if RA is running, Don't know the weather, The whole field, Gate positions, Etc...).  Don't want to tip your hand just yet!  : )

JASON,

WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE RIDE MTB, IF RA GOES AND CALVIN RIDES HER IN THE BELMONT?

ALSO, WHAT IF RA DOES GO AND ROBBY ALBARADO RIDES, AND CALVIN CHOOSES ANOTHER HORSE?

And I thought my man was uncontollable before this. Jason you have created a bigger and badder monster than I could have imagined. I just got back from the hospital with draynay where they had to insert a drain to shrink his swelling head. You could have blown up all of the Macy's balloons with the amount of hot air that screamed out. Good thing they made it permanent. You are now on top of my hit list. Thanks for nuttin.

No Bushwacker he just log in under his new alter ego, Dave the Draynay Fan

Soldier:

Now -this best interest of the horse theory - is just bulls. What did Prado do wrong that was against the best interest of Saint Liam when he was replaced for the JCGC and The Classic, than finishing second to a loose on the lead runner?  And to use this 'best interest theory' as a guide, then Borel took the best interst of Rachel in mind when he chose her over MTB. There was no guarantee that she would beat the boys, so that was the in the best interest of Rachel. And, as tired as she was going 1 3/16M against a 13 horse field where there was hardly any bumping, pushing out and squeezing back, what do you think would have happened to her in a 19-horse field going 1 1/4m in The Kentucky Derby. Remember Johnny V was trying to win the Preakness so he really wasn't pushing her with his horse. In the Derby there were horses who would have pushed her to the limit because they knew they had no chance of being in the winner's circle, and, moreover, it was a completely different track -far heavier-than what the Oaks was run on the previous day, when she was loose as a goose.

As for the question what jockey to ride MTB,  it would be up Chip to choose one of the many who really is not committed to any 'standout' three year old, ala Rafael Bejarano, Ramon  Dominguez, etc.

So - Draynay emerges, dusts the Cheeto crumbs off his fingers - and takes us on in a winner takes all?

At last - by the time the Belmont is over we will be able to name him "Worst...handicapper...ever!"

(insert Comic Book Guy voice here for maximum zing!)

Though I must say - the joke he made about Steve Haskin's love of "dappling" did make me do a spit take at my desk!  I can't write a guy off completely when he's quick on a quip!

Bring it on, Cheeto-Boy!

Jason,

Just a suggestion. How about a live blog on Thursday. We as a group could discuss each horse by post position. Give your pro's and con's on each individual horse. Maybee we could reach a consensus of what the top 3 picks should be. If everyone would remain civil and courteous of others opinions, I bet we could come up with three horses that will be better than the ones that Draynay picks. It shouldn't be that difficult. Do your homework everyone!!

OMG this is hilarious! Don't hate me, but I think I might miss him. He adds a lot of spice to this blog. On the other hand, if he wins, we are going to have a radioactive blog.

O.k. I don't think Rachel came out of the Preakness in great shape which is why they are holding off making their decision. I will be surprised if they run her. They want to run her, but I think that they don't love what they see.

Well, since Dray won't pick "the fluke" aka MTB per his statement we already have one pick. This is going to be fun.

JASON: Re your reply to me, ("I've actually had a few people suggest what you have"), I know. I was just treating this topic with the humor and light touch of facetiousness it deserves. :)

OK! What fun! But I have to say I am SOOOOO curious to read Dray's blog, if there is a tie he should get to write his blog THEN go away for a month. LOL, Let the rest of us discuss it in peace.

HILARIOUS!  I'm game to play.  But you know, if Dray wins we will NEVER, EVER hear the end of it.  Now if we can just get Jess Jackson off the fence....

Ragsy, the reason people want Rachel to stay home is the Preakness took a lot out of her, even though she didn't look overly tired, according to her connections.  She ran 2 big races within a couple weeks and deserves a rest, she has earned a rest.  She has nothing to prove at this point, she beat the boys and has earned herself consideration for HOY honors.  It looks like she'll face the boys again at the Breeders Cup in the Classic and at some point, I'm sure this season she'll face Zenyatta.  Right now, she doesn't need to prove anything and deserves time off.  

As for the person who said maybe Rachel's connections are waiting for Robby Albarado, I wouldn't hold my breath.  I don't think Jackson & Asmussen are stupid enough to bump Calvin off of Rachel, it has been a perfect winning team.  Robby is a great rider, but Calvin fits Rachel and she trusts him, which is vital.  Without the trust, she wouldn't be on the winning streak she's on.  

Jason, maybe, maybe not! Draynay, want to share what you will be doing with yourself for a whole 30 days of no blogging?

Haha, Jason, I love your mind!  Reading the banter between Draynay and you and Draynay and some of the bloggers has been amusing and it would be interesting to see how quiet the blog while he is gone.  And yes, I am confident us bloggers will out handicap good ole Dray-- sorry, Draynay, usually root for the underdog but I have to go against routine on this one, LOL.

Going to be interesting to see the entries for the Belmont.  I hate to say it but I don't think Jess Jackson will put RA in there-- I get the feeling he doesn't want to take the chance on hurting RA, no matter how small that chance is.  Which may explain why he is very hesitant on making a decision.  He may realize that he has something great and doesn't want to ruin it by letting sentimentality outweight whether the filly really (and I mean physically, after the Preakness) is ready for it.  And I say this as a huge fan of hers and wanting to see her in the Belmont with the boys.

Just an opinion....

Zebra i can assure you that i am not Dray.  Just a likeminded individual, who finds him rather comical as well.  To be honest he was getting on my nerves back in the QR this and QR that days. So i find it rather funny that you think I am him.

For heavens sake sweet terchi, DO NOT GO THERE!! This is a family blog but all I can tell you is that i'd be washing loads of socks everyday if I stuck around.

Jason,

Cool idea.

A few people mentioned concern that this is only one race (although, a huge race, indeed).

Any thought of making this a series?

Best out of three?

Or, best score from multiple races combined?

First Leg: Belmont Stakes (gr. I), $1,000,000g, 3yo, 12f

Second Leg: Haskell Invitational (gr. I), $1,000,000g, 3yo, 9f

Third Leg: Travers Stakes (gr. I), $1,000,000g, 3yo, 10f

Man, you could really milk this.

Down the road, you might consider a “Re-Match” of Dray VS. The Blog, using ALL of the Graded Breeders’ Cup races.

Just curious if anyone has good or bad feedback to this proposal.

- P

IMO,

   I don't think there is any chance of Rachel running in Belmont, Would love to see it, but just really nothing left for her and her connections to prove, It seems she needs the time off, I think the Oaks and the Preakness was alot for her in two weeks, And I also think it is a given that Calvin will be on Mine that Bird in the Belmont, no doubt in my mind, Whatsoever, Just my two cents.

    Also, As of right now, I think Mine that Bird is really fresh, Since he really only runs full throttle for the final three-eighths of a mile, I don't think the Derby and Preakness took too much out of him, and I don't think the deep track at Belmont will effect him since he is a little guy, lol, the biggest thing for him in the Belmont is that he times his charge perfectly, not to late or too soon, and if Calvin is on him, I have no worries.                          

    Charitable Man and Summer Bird are looking really good, also, IMO,  Not my picks yet, but just saying....

A handicapping contest will be fun.

I actually think Draynay brings some flavor to the board.  Those who respond are just as guilty as he is because they take his bait.  He's probably just bored and likes to shake things up a bit.  And sometimes his posts are correct.  Other times...well, not so much, but I just think that he likes to rile people up.  It's funny just watching people respond to him!  I don't know if he should go away for a month.  I laugh at his posts all the time.  It won't be the same without him.  

I think Draynay is a very brave soul and has a lot of guts.  People gang up on him all the time and he is always the butt of everyone's jokes.  He is very dedicated and gutsy to keep posting here.  I'll give him that.  It's not easy to stick around when you're constantly ganged up on...even on the internet.  He doesn't have any self-esteem or security issues...that is for sure.  

This is a fun idea.  I'm hoping Draynay wins, since I think his blog would be highly entertaining and successful.  I took the bait once (LOL).  I also think GunBow should have an occasional blog, as he is very knowledgable, articulate, and has good people skills.  Lady Ruffian, were you the woman seated on the small podium with cameras in both hands that my friend and I were talking to at Hollywood Park Saturday?  If not, what general area of the paddock were you in?  There were only 6K people there, only a fraction of which were in the paddock area... maybe we saw each other.  Sad state of affairs in racing, don't you think?  But, what a show that was!  I will never forget it.  

DRAYNAY'S BETTER HALF: I do family law (although in Ontario, the province where Northern Dancer was born) and I would be pleased to handle any family litigation with Draynay for free.  It would be worth it to see if he actually exists or is just a whole bunch of people's mirage.  (and Jason: re: the conspiracy theories: remember, Trust No One!)

For everyone else: since he won't pick MTB, the classy fluke, haven't we already won?

(Really, though, won't it be sad not to have someone you can spit nails at because he makes wacky comments on purpose?)

As often as I find myself disagreeing with Draynay, I must admit that he also often makes me laugh!  I think he says some of his outrageous things just to get the reaction.  But a whole month without him does sound enticing... :)

Greg J.

Thanks for the update on Crown of Thorns. I had him in the future pool last year - will be good to see him again.

Dray's Better Half,

We feel your pain.

Draynays Better Half is just a riot!  I'd like to make it part of the deal that Draynay is never allowed to refer to Mine That Bird as "the Fluke" ever again.  I find about half of what he says very entertaining but calling Bird a fluke just drives me up a wall.

Also, Jess Jackson needs to make a decision.  (I have a better expression but it probably wouldn't get posted).  Keeping everyone on pins and needles just isn't fair.  And I can't help but agree that because it's beginning to feel almost manipulative - maybe, Chip needs to just go ahead and chose a jockey.  I know he was just thrilled with Calvin's ride in the Derby and that he has a lot of faith in him so it's difficult to walk away from the hope that Calvin comes available.  I've sort of lost track of which jockeys are available.  Could you maybe make a list, Jason?

Jason, thanks

Good points, Rechelle.  I'm curious that nobody seems to have mentioned Calvin's role in Brass Hat's victory Saturday.  The first thing that came to mind upon seeing that horse cross the finish line first was CALVIN!!

***Unrelated***

Can anyone help me? I'm trying to get information on two really good fillies from last year that I have not seen in action in '09.

Maram the Breeders Cup Juvinile Fillies Turf winner and Be Smart a daughter of Smarty Jones? If anyone has information on these two horses could you please let me know.

Thank you,

draynays better half, Sorry, but I have a great idea! Pack him off here to Cali where he can see the beautiful Zen for himself! Note of caution: your marriage just might be in trouble after that!!

Just read where Woolley will wait till "post time" if need be to see if RA will run, so Calvin will not be without a mount, which in my book tells me she's not. Very admirable. As for Jackson, what a party pooper for what it seems like to keep Calvin off MTB, after all if RA is not to run why throw a wrench into the situation.

With all of the conspiracy theories about Dray's authenticity, am i the only one who questions the authenticity of dray's better half.  I mean, just the thought that Dray was able to find a better half makes me question it, and i like the guy.

Dray can we get a conformation that, that is in fact your better half.

Awesome idea Jason.  Too bad you didn't have this contest before the Gotham with the stakes being keeping off the blog through the Triple Crown.  I believe his majesty wrote that Notonthesamepage was a "freak" and dismissed I want Revenge

dn better 1/2.

Ahh the dreaded sock reference.

;-)

Helesbelles - glad to know someone else on here went to see Zen run too! (i won't forget it either, she's simply amazing) Nope, im pretty little and my husband usually takes pics when we go. He's alot better with the camera then I am. lolol We were actually hanging out around the paddock area alot then the 2nd level by the winner's circle. Maybe we did see eachother! :) Are you going to be there when she runs in the Vanity?

I love the idea that part of the deal is that Draynay can never call MTB "the fluke" again. THAT needs to be renegotiated Jason. That would be worth the win if nothing else.

Who doesn't love DRAYNAY, especially after all those wonderful things he said about SECRETARIAT?  :)  He is sort of great...sort of....and in the strangest way.

Anyway...I think MINE THAT BIRD is going to win the Belmont Stakes. But being the TIZNOW fan that I am I have to make my selections, in this order: 1) MR. HOT STUFF 2) MINE THAT BIRD 3) CHOCOLATE CANDY. This is all based on RACHEL ALEXANDRA not running.

Calvin Borel has been riding Rachel Alexandra longer then Mine That Bird (one ride). Derby win & Rachels new connections aside, She has always performed well for Calvin and he knows her a whole lot better then Mine that Bird. No doubt it was the most difficult dicision he has ever had to make.

Rachel Alexandra is without doubt one of the spectacular fillies of our generation. If she runs in, and wins the Belmont, She will have a great chance at horse of the year title. Jess Jackson loves those eclipse trophies. Anyway, If I owned her, I would do everything in my power to get her regular rider on her, a new rider, even Robby Alberado, would be a mistake.

Oh, my goodness, what do all these posts in such a short time mean? LOL!

Mike S., I'm a Mr. Hot Stuff fan, too. I like Tiznow and I think this is the guy who will follow in his footsteps once he decides he wants to. But I really like Mine That Bird so my choice will be 1) Mine That Bird, 2) Mr. Hot Stuff, & 3) Chocolate Candy. But Mr. Hot Stuff for Breeders Cup.

Jess Jackson & Steve Asmussen by naming Robbie as the stand by rider, should they decide to run RA in The Belmont - and like the consensus I don't they will- and Calvin is committed to MTB has put preesure on Calvin not to commit to MTB for the Belmont, because he does not want to give them any excuse to take him off the horse in the future. I really think if they have a choice they would rather have their man, Robbie aboard RA in the future. If you notice that Steve is still not giving Calvin any ride apart from Rachel; he's sticking with his main guys, Robbie & Shaun. That's why I think Chip should go ahead and name a jockey- Ramon is still available, Joe Talamo lost his mount to Kent so he's available and he rode a brillant race in the Wood, Corneilus Velasquez or even Corey Nakatani.  A lot of talented riders are available and just waiting for the right opportunity- re- Stewart Elliott & Jeremy Rose-  are available. I am quite sure that even if they commit not to run within a day or so there will be a caveat to the statement which will leave the door open for them to change their minds, still putting Calvin in a quandry not to commit to MTB.

Winnie,

Apparently Maram has had a long vacation, she only has one official work and it took place today (05/28/2009) at Belmont Park. She went 3 furlongs on 37.80. There were no workouts for Be Smart.

Jason,

    Paula Higgins had a great idea...

    One stipulation should be, That regardless of the Picks, either Draynay or The Bloggers, If Mine That Bird Wins(Or, I should say, When Mine that Bird wins!), Then Draynay should admit Mine that Bird is a Great Horse, and Never call him a Fluke again, Ever...(I know this is getting carried away, But really, What did you expect?, This is Dray we are talking about, lol)

For the record that IS NOT my better half. My real wife wants me to lose more then anyone on here.  AND JASON NEWS FLASH... IF and its a very big and unlikely IF... IF I lose I will stop calling the FLUKE a FLUKE.  But we all know in our heart of hearts that me losing to this blog is about as likely as the Fluke winning another race ALL YEAR.  But to up the ante I will agree Jason not to call the FLUKE a FLUKE should I lose.  By the way I will say it one more time... I will not be picking the FLUKE in my top 3.

I posted this earlier and left a very important part out.  

Congrats to Draynay.  You are more famous than Charles Manson.  LOL

TOO BAD YOU ARE NOT AS SMART AS HE IS!  ;-)

Another thing to consider in this chess game going on between Jess/RA & Chip/MTB that this is really a replay of the Preakness entry. Jess bought RA and immeidately entered her in The Preakness for one sole reason- breeding. He didn't want a gelding winning a second leg of the triple crown. The other horsemen didn't want RA in The Preakness because she was a filly and was of no real value overall to the breeding industry, so initially they banded to keep her out.

Jess hoped that The Preakness would expose MTB as a fraud, instead it enhanced him as genuine. Jess is now again in a quandry, because there's no real good colt out there for him to buy and enter in The Belmont to prevent MTB from winning as it now appears that he will. So his only hope is to keep Calvin off him. Because let's face it, as good a ride as some said Mike gave him in the Preakness others were equally adamant that  it was a poor ride that cost him the race. This is what Jess is looking at and remembering the ride in The Derby,  would love to keep Borel away from MTB. Not because of Chip but because MTB is a gelding and is of no use to the breeding industry.

Greg J.

Don't give up the Birds.  We already know what is gonna happen there.  We need to keep quiet LOL!  

I am not putting my picks up until Jason said but I know what they are at this time (providing RA runs or not).........

mdfanofracing

I believe that Calvin is going to regret not riding MTB in the Preakness.  How long since a TC?  :)  

Lady Ruffian!  Yep, I'll do anything to see Zenyatta again.  It was one of the best experiences of my life.  I was running around following her everywhere- when she first arrived, when she was being saddled, and then rider-up.  I had my friend hold a spot for me to get a picture of her with rider up.  And after she walked by, I started looking around at the crowd, and I realized I am standing next to Eoin Harty.  OK, well this is Hollywood, right?  Anyway, I had a great time, and I hope you did too.  I intentionally steered clear of that Arlington 9th situation on the monitors;  I heard people's reactions, and would not let anything ruin seeing Zenyatta.  At least we had a clean day of racing at HP.  

I was planning to go to the Belmont, but without knowing if RA is running, my time is running out to make plans.  The race shapes up worth the trip with her in it.  Not so much so if she isn't.  

Just want to make sure I understand the rules, I'll let Jason worry about the scoring and payouts. Currently both Draynay and the World make 5 selections each. Both specify the order of finish for the top 3 - a trifecta. Both designate 2 alternates. If the top pick does not start for any reason, the 2nd choice becomes the top pick, the 3rd choice becomes the projected place horse and alternate 1 becomes the new 3rd choice. If either the 2nd or 3rd choice does not start, then their spots would be similarly filled. The 2 alternates would be used in their designated order if 2 of the original top 3 are scratched. The only problem is if both sets of picks are somehow the same and in the same order. I suggest that the world get 6 picks: an original trifecta plus 3 alternates. If Draynay's trifecta and the World's trifecta are the same then Jason would substitute the top alternate from the world's picks for the show spot. That way there are no ties. Just a suggestion. An alternate solution would be for Draynay to take 2 weeks off and only write half a column. He could simply eliminate every other word.

An unrelated note: Borel is quite familiar with Churchill Downs and is always dangerous there. Handicappers overlook his presence there at their peril. He's also a strong presence at Oaklawn Park, but I don't think he's as potent at Pimlico or Belmont, his Preakness win notwithstanding, since he regularly rides at neither. If he won't commit to Mine That Bird then the Derby Champion's connections should seal a deal with another top rider willing to commit to the current favorite to take 3 year old male honors for the rest of the year maybe longer since as a gelding he's not going to be snatched off to a stallion barn. Mike Smith should never be given another opportunity to ride Birdstone's favorite son. And don't count out MTB, barring a bounce, his pedigree screams Belmont. He's the fourth consecutive male in his sire line to win an American Triple Crown race, the first time that's ever been done.

"The blog" should also purchase a box seat at the Vanity Handicap for Dray.

I'm not Dray, but I would agree to stop calling MTB a fluke if he were to win, mostly because i am so sure he is a fluke and won't win.

Greg J, I can't take credit for that idea (if he loses he cannot call MTB "the fluke"), it belongs to TerriV and it was positively inspired.

Dave the Draynay Fan, I think there is probably a real Mrs. Draynay since I believe there is someone for everyone out there. God Bless her.

Lady Ruffian and Helebelles:

I too was at Hollywood Park to watch Zenyatta win the Milday. I had my camera and I got some great photos of her walking to the gate. She really put on a show. I hope to make it up from San Diego to watch her run in the Vanity. Watching her run again would be worth the 2 hour drive.  

LOVE THE IDEA!  Just one question?  I know that "horse people" are generally honest and trustworthy, but what is to keep Draynay from posting under a different name? The ideas and intent would be the same, just the name is changed!

sports.espn.go.com/.../story

I just read this opinion and loved it so I thought i'd share it

I read somewhere in an article  that if Calvin would ride Rachel in the Belmont he would be her rider the rest of the year.  He had to make a business decision...he & his agent.  Woolley is waiting and I am glad, but don't you know he must already have a backup rider just in case?  Why not the female jockey who rode him to 2yr championship in Canada? It is all a big mess...but I feel they all have it under control...just waiting it out to make the best decision for the horses.

GREG J.: Off topic here, but have no other way to touch base with you on this news. The DRF is reporting that Friesan Fire is injured and will be out at least two months. He will undergo surgery Friday. Fortunately the injuries are neither life nor career threatening.

In all likelihood, these injuries occurred moments after the start of the Kentucky Derby when the colt got so badly knocked around. He should never have run in the Preakness, as he looked sore all week prior to the race.

I hope he can come back in the fall and run some big races, and hope he runs as a four-year-old. With any luck, Vinery & Porter will send him to another trainer when FF is ready to resume training since Jones will be retiring in a few months anyway.

And Should Dray Win(unlikely as it would be) we will all have to rename him FLUKEnay :-)

Dave the Draynay fan,

Yes, Draynay really does have a better half but I don't know if it's the person posting here.  His wife had a terrible car accident last year and went through a rough time but is well now.

I know Draynay can be obnoxious and he has irritated me to the limit sometimes.  He and I have gone back and forth many times but I really do not dislike him.  Actually, I have seen signs of a normal person peak out now and then!  He does love to rile people and I really think, and this is strictly my opinion, that in his real life, he is a quiet and unassuming nice man.  I know, I know, sounds ridiculous but I think the "Draynay" is his outlet to be outrageous.  Of course, you realize this is coming from a person who has a crush on him!  LOL! Leave it to Draynay but doesn't he keep things hopping and doesn't he rather make us all united against him?

Broken Tree, I bet you just opened the floodgates to rename Dray!!LOL

Lady Ruffian, LOVED it! Thanks. Draynay make sure you read it

If or when Dray loses it will be because he stubbed his toe on his computer desk and accidently put in the wrong horse.  He'll have some out of this world excuse.

Hey Dray,

Pack your lunch, buddy!

What's up GREG J., How are you buddy?

What do you think about Charitable Man?

Lady Ruffian,

That was an excellent article but the part I enjoyed most was the mention of Easy Goer and Sunday Silence.  I was fortunate enough to see both of them race in person and I couldn't help but love Sunday Silence, especially after Charlie let me come backside and visit him.  Pat Day recently mentioned that he thought Easy Goer was a better horse but how can he say that when SS beat him 3 out of 4 races.  Sunday Silcense still doesn't get any respect from the Eastern racing establishment.  What a shame.

Somethingroyal, I know you were there too, as I meant to comment on your outstanding take on an earlier blog.  We three were the lucky ones.  How cool was that!

For Big Red,

      Just saw the news from Rockport Harbor, This from Rick Porter on Friesan Fire, "He was found to have an area of bruising with a fine fissure fracture in the bottom of the cannon bone in the left front ankle. He also had a non-displaced chip in his right front ankle. He will have surgery tomorrow. Dr. Bramlage expects a full recovery and return to form after his break. He should resume training in approximately two months.

     You are right, It had to happen when he got knocked around in the Derby, It is amazing that nothing more serious happened to him while running in the Preakness.  You are right when you commented that he looked sore before the Preakness, I didn't see it.  I knew something was wrong with him in the Preakness, Had no idea it was this severe, though.  

    I think Barclay Tagg will train him when he recovers.  I love him as a trainer, And he will do right by him.  My opinions are mixed regarding Larry Jones right now, but I will keep those to myself. Hope he recovers from the surgery well, and no need to rush him back.  Thanks Big Red...

It's OK, Monica V, I secretly have a crush on him too. Or is it that I want to crush him.

Gooooooooo Mine That Bird!!!!!

Great idea!!! This will be interesting

JASON!!!!!

BOY!!!!  YOU REALLY OPENED A CAN OR WORMS.....OR A PANDORA'S BOX!!!!

SHOULD BE INTERESTING HOW MANY DIFFERENT "PICKS" COME OUT OF THIS!!  I WILL BE CHECKING!!!!!

Lady Ruffian,

    Thank you for Link to article regarding Zenyatta!, Great Article, I agree 100 Percent with everything Jeremy Plonk says. I loved the quote, "Rachel Alexandra would want nothing to do with Zenyatta anytime soon."  I agree also, If you want a piece of Zenyatta, you know where she is, Come and get her, lol.  Don't get me wrong, Rachel is incredible, but she is still learning(Which is scary) and she still is filling into her frame, In due time, Yes, She might be as good or better then Zenyatta, But at this point in time, Zenyatta is Queen of the Track, Thanks again for link to article...

    Dray, You should take a look at the article, Yes, I know, You know more then Jeremy Plonk ever will along with Steve Haskin(lol), But it is a good article, and you might even learn something...

Draynay MTB may not have the stride but he has the heart and all of us have seen him run. He might have to work a little harder but I think he can do it. Never under estimate the power of the little under horse!

Comon Draynay show everyone all the great handicapping we taught you at horseracingtalk and remember the belmont advise i gave ya. Cant wait to read your blog after the belmont lol.  

Rechelle:

thanks for your valuable info re: Rachel Alexandra, I just did not realize that she was tired after winning the Preakness, but it is understandable.......cant wait to see Queen Zenyatta and

Princess Rachel.....run again....

Lady Ruffian,

Thanks for the link to Jeremy Plonk's article. He is so right about everything. As a Californian I am delighted at the prospect of seeing Zenyatta in person all the way to the Breeder's Cup. She is superb and her owners and trainer are the best.

We can wait for a showdown with Rachel Alexandra. If both are healthy it will be the highlight of the Cup for many of us.

I like RA a lot, but her owner is getting on my nerves...I admire Wooley's self control in going along with this "game" Jackson is playing. I don't know that I would show that much restraint. By now, I would name the best jockey still available, one that is very familiar with the Belmont track and whose style best matches MTB. If that leaves Calvin Borel without a mount if Rachel doesn't run, so be it. Playing musical chair has its own risks. He may be the one left standing.

But Wooley is the trainer and I'm glad his patience is better than mine. Deep down, I know that Calvin is the best match for MTB.

    Jason, this is an absolutely great idea although in a sense, this will be bitter sweet.  It's kind of like when my kids go away for a few weeks during the summer to visit their grandmother.  I really enjoy the peace and quiet yet miss them at the same time.  Honestly, what fun would this blog be without dray?  If we all get along and mostly agree with each other, what fun is that?  No matter how off-the-wall his opinions might be, he brings a different viewpoint and perspective to the blog.  It makes it interesting.  Dray, just do us a favor, before you have to depart for a month, please leave us with one of the most colorful, one-sided, overly opinionated posts that you have ever done.  I know it will difficult to top some of the other classics, but I have faith in you.

    As for the Belmont, 1) Charitable Man & 2) Chocolate Candy.  Put whoever you want in 3rd because I don't care, I'm only playing the exacta in the Belmont.  Charitable Man wins for fun even if RA runs.  He'll be 3rd off the layoff, the Peter Pan set him up nicely for this race, he loves Belmont Park and McLaughlin absolutely loves this horse.  That's enough for me.

BTW Jason, I'll make sure to introduce myself to you in the Gold Room at Churchill either on BC day or the Friday after Thanksgiving.  You might miss me though, I'm a little guy, lol.

Helesbelles:

One truly  has to see Zenyatta in person to appreciate how beautiful she is and not to mention how big she is.

Drayway away for a month!!!!

BOOOOOO!!!!!

I need some idiocy in my life even if it is from Drayway.

Somethingroyal, you said it all baby.  My friend, who knows very little about horseracing, said something funny, but spot on.  I told him that Zenyatta intimidates the other horses in the paddock, and he said:  well yeah, the other horses are looking at her, and then looking at themselves...    

Horswld,

    Hello there!, As of right now, I love Charitable Man, Belmont is still 9 days away, alot can happen, but as of right now, I have him in my top three, maybe winning it. I love the fact that he is at Belmont, No traveling for him, Which I do think takes something away from the horse when they have to be vanned or flown in(IMO).  He loves the Belmont track, His win in the Peter Pan was just Perfect, His time was impressive(1:47, 1 1/8 Miles). I throw out the Blue Grass(Hated the Polytrack), and I like the fact that Mr. Warren didn't rush him back in the Derby or Preakness.  He also won at Belmont last year in the Futurity. He is bred to go a mile and a half (Lemon Drop Kid won the Belmont in 1999). His Shin seems to be completely healed, and McLaughlin cannot speak more highly for him. He probably will go off as 6-1 or 8-1, Maybe the second favorite (Behind Mine That Bird, If Rachel runs, then he will probably be third favorite). Also, McLaughlin has experience winning the Belmont, Jazil in 2006(Which just adds to loving this horse and his connections).  So, Yes, I love the Man as of this moment, Cannot say anything negative at all about him, Impressive, to say the least...

Jason,

    Just Curious, I don't believe I read anywhere on what you think about Jackson Running Rachel?, Do you think he will run her in the Belmont?, What is your gut telling you?, Do you think he is just playing games?, Or do really think he really is still undecided?, Thanks...

Shut up! I just turned the computer on and now I know what Jason's been doing for the last few days. This is to much fun for sure. I thought that Jason and Draynay were the same person to at one time but bro if you say he's real I for one believe you.

Jason,

The Wiz had a good case.  As individuals we could submit our top 3 picks.  Then, based on a $2 wager across the board on those 3 horses, we could use the total amount won.

Example 1:  

WPS for Draynay's = $36.00

WPS for person #1 = $24.00

Difference +$12.00 for Draynay

Example 2:

WPS for Draynay's = $36.00

WPS for person #2 = $50.00

Difference -$14.00 for Draynay

...and so on for each person's picks. $1 difference = 1 day. Grand total of minus differece for Draynay is how long he has to stay off the blog.

P.S. Jason, don't forget to include your picks also.

I like Charitable Man alot and he and MTB are 2 of my three. Chocolate Candy or Summer Bird for the last/third spot. As for the Plonk article, I totally agree. The last thing Rachel wants right now is a meeting with Zenyatta. Even in peak form, Rachel would have a tought time with Zenyatta. I have a feeling these two may never meet. Zenyatta is a tough cookie who knows she's special. She thrives on the attention. I love that step walking she does on the way to the gate-like dressage. It's a hoot.

I think Wooley has shown great self control dealing with this jockey situation.I have a new found respect for the way he has handled himself. If it was me in this situation, I would be seriously annoyed with their indecision, and probably letting everyone know it.

TO:GW_BUSHWACKER

Sorry to disappoint you,but Draynay and I are two different people. In fact,if you read the posts for the past two weeks you will find I've debated him on MTB,Zenyatta and RA.

Poor Friesan Fire.  I knew those last two races were uncharacteristically bad.  Wishing him a speedy and full recovery.  Hope to see him win some big ones.

Regarding this crazy handicapping contest.  I hope Draynay wins.  Think about it.  He gets to rant to his heart's content somewhere else and we all get some peace and quiet on this blog. :) I like that better than the one month ban if he loses. Either way though, it sounds like a win/win situation for this blog.  

Inspired idea Jason. Just one thing though. If the editors and webmasters of the Bloodhorse see the increased traffic that this "contest/bet" brings in, aren't you afraid that they will hire him as a co-host with you on your handicapping show?

May the horse be with you.

Serious you'd get him to post a picture of himself?

I'm not sure how much "Draynay vs. the consensus" really proves.

What if someone's picks come in 1,2,3 but they are 3,2,1 as far as the consensus goes?  Even if Dray picks 2,1,3 he will beat that person.

That doesn't make Dray a better handicapper.

Isn't there a way for people to make their picks so we can see exactly how many people are better/worse than Dray for that one race?

My thoughts are with Rene Douglas and his family. Tough situation. His wife hasn't given up though and I'm sure Rene hasn't either. Time will tell... Wishing them all the best.

Sorry to hear about Friesan Fire's injuries. That sure explains a lot. We ask so much of these horses, it's sad that they can't tell their connections what's wrong.

That's why our comments should always be respectful to the athletes (humans or equines). In retrospect, when all the facts are known, some comments from "fans" prove to be sadly idiotic.

Clennox: I agree with what you are saying.  I do not think Jess Jackson intends to run RA in the Belmont; I think the Preakness took a lot out of her.  I am really disappointed with Jess Jackson for not announcing his decision. It does not seem sporting to keep Calvin and Chip dangling. I believe we could have had a really good chance of a gelding winning the TC.  That would not be as bad as all that; after all, Birdstone is a young sire and not every winner is worthy of standing at stud.

Hey somebody start a facebook page on this.Jason this is way to much fun.

I think this is going to be alot of fun... Can't wait to see how it all turns out!

Interesting concept here Jason!  It should be fun!

Rechelle:  Where did you hear that Rachel's connections said she is tired and that the Preakness took a lot out of her?  A one on one conversation...?  I have not read anything like that in any article.  The closest to that I have seen is Calvin saying she struggled with the track surface.

OMG -- first a blog.  Then a picture.  Next: Dancing with the Stars!  

LADY RUFFIAN loved the ESPN article.  Thanks for sharing.  Oh yes Easy Goer...how many races did that one win outside of New York?  I guess we could call him a "New York State Champion."  Like it or not, all roads lead to Santa Anita.  RA better get some preps over the synthetics if she is to have any chance of beating Zenyatta on her own track.  RA or not Zenyatta, is retiring undefeated.  Come and get her.

Jason,

Any thoughts regarding the multi-race scenario I mentioned above?

the_wiz's 2 yr old gr-daughter story (since echoed by tcc) makes a good point.

Dray could possibly win by selecting a fluke  (not "The Fluke") or longshot as part of his picks, which is certainly his choice to do so.

Of course, if that comes to fruition, Dray would call it 'superior handicapping'.

Meanwhile, the 'consensus' selections (by the nature of a consensus) would be much less likely to include 'fluke' (longshot) picks.

I thought the trio of races (Belmont, Haskell and Travers) would help to avoid this potential 'fluke' outcome by sampling more than one 'let it ride' race.

Perhaps there is a way to integrate tcc's WPS judging system across the trio of races.

More data/samples would yield a more meaningful result.

We could call it the "Triple Frown".

- P

Sounds like fun Jason, but I'm sorry to say, my moneys on Dray. He may be overbearing at times, but he's not a bad handicapper. The rest of the Bloggers here, with a couple of exceptions, will have to improve by leaps and bounds to win this one. I can't wait for the results!

RA will not run in the belmont, she was lucky the preakness wasent a mile and a quarter her limations were seen in the preakness, she will be run into the ground at a mile and a half jackson knows it, hes just playing games with borail.

Jason, the only picture Draynay should show (especially when he loses) is one of him wearing a t-shirt with Zen the Beautiful's photo on it. Like I said, champs don't go to contenders!! :)

Zenyatta's Pride is the California Poly champ....lol... good for her. Yep she is the best California horse that only races fillies on Poly that I have ever seen. Geeez.

What a great idea!!  It will be fun either way and I think that it would be pretty cool to get to see a picture of Draynay.  I always thought that he was made up by you to keep things interesting!

Helesbelles:

I wonder if Zenyatta's connections will run her at Del Mar in July?  

Big Red and Greg J.  

PLEASE tell me that Fire is going to be OK.  I am in awwwwwwww that he ran the Preakness now.  My feelings are mixed too Greg.  

This is hilarious.  I guess someone here has me the infamous draynay in person.  Honestly, I have always had the impression this was teenage girl - nothing against females as I am one - but the arguments are always presented with passion and little substance or fact - never mind the typos & sometimes poor grammar.  I know I don't post often, but this really did strike me as entertaining.

I'm with whoever said we need some allowance for scratches, failure to enter, etc.  I am one that says RA must enter or her new owners go down as TC spoilers.  And I say Calvin isn't the same humble man he once was.  And when is his fiance going to become his wife?  Anyway, I digress, can't pick 3 until I have a better idea of the actual field - but would be surprised if MTB isn't in the top 3.  I expect him to win.  In addition to the pedigree, this has been the goal all along.  His trainer is conditioning him for distance.

Helsbelles & somethingroyal

:) :) :) it was amazing to see Zenyatta in person. I felt star starstruck when she walked through the paddock. She's truly just amazing to look at & just as awe inspiring to watch run. I was passing the camera back & forth to the husband and we got some nice shots. (If you want to see them I'd be happy to send you a link) Making the 4 hour drive was more than worth it, as of now I believe I'll be back at H.P. for the Vanity. And thankfully it was a great day of racing with everyone returning safe.

Dray, one thing about you, as outrageous as your comments on horses and others' handicapping skills, etc. have been, you don't do personal attacks, which definitely have been done to you.

Racingfan, there are articles out there with both Asmussen and Jackson saying she came out with the race taking a lot out of her.

I think Chip's smart to wait for CB...if RA does not run in the Belmont it is unlikely the two will meet again until MAYBE the Classic, so why not wait for exactly the jockey you want? Plus, RA will be retired either this year (for Curlin's legacy) or next year, and MTB could go on for years at this level...I'm sure CB would love to be his regular rider.

Jason, I don't think after you set up the "deal" with Dray that it's fair to change the terms of the deal.

I tend to lurk on the blogs more than participate (hey my second time!) and I have found Draynay to be interesting and annoying at the same time rofl!!! But I do agree that Mine That Bird will be hitting the board.  I don't think he was done excellerating in the Preakness and if he had just a little more track, he would have nailed Rachel (whom I am still eyeing and can't wait to see her run against Zenyatta). She beats Zenyatta and she up there with other great fillies in my mind.

In fact I hope Rachel runs in the Belmont, I want to see a great stretch battle between her and MTB like the Curlin and Rags battle.  

I can't wait to see what happens in the Belmont blog wise for Draynay :P  Once I see the entrants I will have to really look through the numbers etc.

Hey I got lucky with a [8 16] exacta box in the derby (always to a longshot and fave everytime and finally paid off) and a MTB RA exacta box in the Preakness....I would have my own personal triple crown if I got the Belmont XD

Good luck to all handicappers on this site in the Belmont!  

Jason,

Just look at what you have done. I got nary a wink of sleep last night because draynay was tossing, turning, and fretting all night long. He's becoming obscessed with the whole thing. Why I even heard him muttering in his sleep over and over and over the word fluke, fluke, fluke. He was up before the crack of dawn running around like a chicken with his head cut off telling me he can't lose because it would be too embarassing. Right now he's trying to think up any excuse to use if he does get beat. Oh my lord, this is going to be the longest week of my life.

Gotta go he's getting into the coffee. Imagine draynay on a caffiene binge. Heaven help me!!!!

Those of you that refer to Mine That Bird as a fluke need to check out his pedigree. And, oh, by the way, what is the U.S. 2 year-old Champian doing these days?

Just because some lost money on what THEY considered a "sure thing" doesnt mean everyone else was so stupid.  

I can see the blog is eager to learn my expert picks for the Belmont. I don't want to tip my hand too early but let me say this I will be picking Dunkirk to finish ahead of the FLUKE ! On a dry track at Belmont the $9,500 dollar FLUKE is going to have to prove to me he is better then the 3+ million dollar Dunkirk.  We will see how he keeps up with the long stride of Dunkirk on a long wide dry track.  Now I know many of you would like more of my expert observations but I don't want to give "the blog" any more help. But to think lightning will strike twice in the same place and a cheap fluke will somehow beat a real thoroughbred twice is laughable at best.  Good luck to all.

Somethingroyal,

    Zenyatta's Connectons are on the record about her remaining races, Then Retirement.  They are The $300,000 Clement Hirsch Handicap at Del Mar on Aug. 9, The Lady's Secret Stakes at Santa Anita in early October, and the Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic in November.

Save your time handicapping, The winner of the Belmont will be Charitable Man if Rachel does not run or MTB if she does. Outside chance to win:Mr Hot Stuff. The others are in to just see who might be able to hit the board.

Square Eddie, Quality Road, I Want Revenge, Desert Party, Friesan Fire...barely 3 years old and sidelined...

US Olympic 3 Day Eventing horses (including top ranked Thoroughbreds): 15 yrs old is coming into their prime...The average age of all horses that competed this past year at the World Equestrian Games for the Endurance portion (100 miles done in ONE DAY) was 18 years old, with the youngest being 10, and many in their mid-twenties.

If for some reason nay nay wins I want to see the pic of him in his pink dress. You remember Jason the one he was going to wear to the Belmont.

Hi Monica V !  Thanks for the kind words and yes my wife is doing wonderful one year after the accident.  We just found out she needs another surgery on her knee but she is doing great.

What a great idea! Sounds like a fun contest!

As to why Jackson is not announcing a decision about Rachel Alexandra in the Belmont, can you blame him? For some reason a loud segment of racing fans have villified him and Rachel and are angry at "stealing" the Triple Crown from Mine That Bird. If he decides to run her they will scream and shout that it is too dangerous for her and she's not ready and if he decides not to run her they will mock him for being afraid of the competition. I'd keep my trap shut, watch my horse and make a decision at the last possible moment.

There is no way Jackson can win here and for whatever reason the Rachel haters (you know who you are) will jump on whatever decision is made.

I don't think JJ is playing games. If RA works like her usual self she will be entered. He loves the action and the spotlight.

Ummm, Dray, Once upon a time there was another cheap, incorrect, fluke gelding that barely sold for $1,100 who won 2 then lost 9 in a row...he ended up beating a lot of Dunkirks...many times...for many years earning $6,497,947 ...well, you know the story of John Henry, don't need me to recount it...;-)

Could RA's connection be waiting to see if the filly has "female issues"?  If she were in heat, would they still be allowed to run her against males?  Just wondering.

OK Dave the Draynay Fan I'll take your word that your not Draynay. Heck, I'm a Draynay fan myself. Go get em Dray!!!

Jason:  Thanks for doing this--it is very entertaining and so much fun.  It has been so boring on the blogs since the Preakness--glad to have a little excitement!!  Can't wait for next week to post my picks!

Draynay:  Your comments are always interesting and I think it's great to have different opinions and ideas in life--especially in the Sport of Kings-where every day is different and exciting and really, who knows what to expect???  

Looking forward to "The Battle."

Thanks Jason for keeping us occupied with Draynay while we  wait for Mr. Jackson to make up his mind.

Zevida, with all due respect, Mr. Jackson is making his own bed. I'll accept whatever decision he makes. I just don't like the "game" he's playing.

Draynays better half,

     That was hysterical, "Muttering in his sleep over and over and over the word fluke, fluke, fluke...", lol...

Draynay,

     Do your math, Let's See, Dunkirk purchased for 3.7 Million, Record so far, 4 Starts, 2 Wins, 1 second, Earning's $ 193,200.  Mine That Bird purchased for $ 9,500 as a yearling, Then Sold for $400,000.  Record so far, 10 Starts, 5 Wins, 2 Seconds, EARNING'S $ 2,011,581.  So if my math is correct, "Dunkirk" needs another $ 3,506,080.00 to reach his purchase price, While "Mine that Bird" has surpassed his total purchase price by an astounding $1,602,081.00....Plus, That doesn't even take into consideration all the money that "Mine that Bird" saves his connections on Air Fare...

   Not too Shabby for a "Cheap Fluke", lol....

Hey Draynay: So if The Green Monkey was still running, does this mean that you would pick him over Dunkirk in some race?

Just wondering.

Draynay, I have just one question.

Are you the same Draynay who blogs on the Daily Kos? The State of the Nation political site?

Dray thanks for putting the kirk in your top 3 at least you will stick to your horse since he is an overhyped horse and you know it he is no bease like QR! Regardless the belmont should be a great betting race get on the Candy bandwagon now my friend because everyone and there mom knows that RA is not going to run in the belmont because she will get abused.

Great post, Tiznowbaby!

Clennox,

I highly doubt that Jess Jackson targeted MTB for any kind of conspiracy.  He put RA in the Preakness to run her against the boys not spoil MTB's bid for a TC.

da3hoss,

Let me see if I understood you correctly:

You think that hurling insults at horses is more admirable than attacking the person making these obnoxious remarks? Should the "blog" respond in kind and trash the horses he supports? I don't think so...

On a subsequent post, you decry the fate of some of these very young horses. How can anyone be tolerated for calling them names and denigrating their valiant efforts?

Draynay is another one who made his own bed.

draynay's better half, still want to be his "better half"? He sold you out as the "other woman"! and after all you did for him at the hospital so he wouldn't look like Mr. Box!! lol

Draynay, drool on baby boy.....ZENYATTA!!

Helsbelles,somrthingroyal & Lady Ruffian, does my heart good to know that you and all the others make the trip here to see Zen, which you now know is truly worth it, and I had a good laugh at the comment about her intimidating the others!

(Dray, glad your wife is doing better.)

To Something Royal -

Only a 2 hour drive to Zenyatta for real?  You are spoiled.  I went 12 hours to Evangeline Downs to see the Cajun jockeys homecoming in their element party - party - party.

IMO, what a shame that Zen will be retired to a life of a broodmare. While her progeny will  be first class of course, it would be something to see if she entered the world of dressage for a while. From the steps she has already learned she would be a awesome figure and most certainly a champ in that field also.

JASON: I wouldn't worry about it being too confusing if the rules are changed. Draynay lives for confusion. :)

Sorry Dray. Couldn't resist. ROFLMAO!!!

I really hate to use the word, because as any psych nurse knows bad behavior should be ignored, but I have found nothing useful or learned anything from Draynays comments.  Devoting a whole column to him must be the biggest thing in his life.

In all seriousness Jason, thanks for removing him and I wish you would do so permanently, or have Bloodhorse put in Arguing Horses.  He is NOT a "celebrity" he IS infamous.  

As you mentioned you are impressed with the knowledge of your responders.  From the even handed way they write I learn from all but especialy For Big Red (are you Ron Turcott?) and the two Karens (one in Indiana)  I think it was one of them who knows horses and riding well enough to describe the way MTB changed leads and sidled his shoulder to get through the hole next to Join in the Dance.  I loved that and have regaled that explanation to lots of friends who think I'm so smart about horse racing - nothing like living vicariously.

And one of the Karens recommended I read "My Racing Heart."  Thanks!  I LOVED it.  Next to Hilenbrand's "Seabiscuit," it is written so very well.

These are the people who should be getting attention or Guest Blogs - knowledge without ego - not some stinker (or y'all put in your favorite noun).

For all those people saying that MTB would have passed RA had the race been a little longer, they need to go back and check the tape.  He never even passed her in the gallop out.  

And about Zenyatta, let her beat the boys, then maybe she can be the one to beat, until then RA is the queen.  That is unless you think she didn't beat much, but wait, that would validate the thought that MTB is a fluke.  

Jason - need a tie breaker just in case - how about using The Woody Stephens as the tie breaker.

I THINK BOTH TRAINERS ARE PLAYING A WAIT AND WATCH GAME. WITH RA UNDECIDED, AND MTB A DEFINITE FOR THE BELMONT, CALVIN WOULD HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY CHOOSE TO RIDE MTB. IF CHIP DECIDED TO ASK AND BE DONE WITH IT. THEN WITH CALVIN COMMITTED TO RIDE MTB, RA WOULD GET THE SERVICES OF ROBBIE AND BE ENTERED IN THE BELMONT.

 MAYBE LOOKING FOR RAIN FORECAST?

RA ON A OFF BELMONT TRACK, EVEN THOUGH SHE HAD PREVIOUSLY WON IN THE MUD, WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR ANY HORSE TO HANDLE.

I THINK, THEY WANT CHIP TO MAKE CALVIN DECIDE, SO THEY CAN HAVE ROBBIE, IMAGINE IF THEY ANNOUNCE ROBBIE TO RIDE RA IN THE BELMONT AND LEAVING CALVIN OUT?

WOW WOULD THAT CAUSE A MEGA FIRESTORM!!!

OMG - Zenyatta in Dressage!! To the connections please, please, please let her to that.  To keep our heroes and heroines in the public eye is supremely important and will bring more people to look at thoroughbred racing to see who's next, like our lovely RA with the funny face (that's what I would have named her).

Greg J.,

Loved your post!!! but, don't confuse Draynay with facts and logic. Your argument might be too much for him and he could implode before the contest start.

TO StardustyRose and Greg J.: Word this morning is that FF's surgery went well, he's out of recovery and back in his stall. I think news reports yesterday said that when the colt leaves Rood & Riddle, he'll go to Vinery's training center for rehab. Might take two to three months, meaning he'll return sometime in September, at the earliest.

In a backwards sort of way, things might have turned out for the best for the colt. He'll come back more mature, battle tested, and maybe with a different trainer since Larry Jones is retiring. FF can turn over a completely new, fresh page in his life. Now where's my emoticon for crossing my fingers when I need it. :)

There was a comment a while back there saying that other horsemen wanted RA out of the Preakness because she is a filly and of no real use to the breeding industry.  WHAT!  What does that statement mean?  Who carries the foal for 10 months? Who contributes half the gene pool?  Who nurtures and teaches that foal once it's born?  The broodmare's pedigree is just as important as the sire's pedigree! And, pardon me if I just don't understand, but the races she wins now will contribute to her value as a broodmare later on down the road.

Also, so sad to hear about Friesan Fire.  He was my Derby horse and I have always trusted Larry J, but I understand the ending comment by Greg J, there is just a tiny seed of doubt planted in my mind now.  Wasn't FF Xrayed after the Derby?  If he received these injuries then wouldn't Xrays have shown them?  He is a gorgeous colt and I pray he comes out safe and sound (he would also make a lovely dressage horse)

Jess does love the spotlight. I don't think however his inaction is helping racing and I commend Chip and others for not calling him out on his tactics.

Not much leadup into the race and when the talk starts it'll be too late to draw interest, I'm afraid.

I guess all of this other stuff seems like 'fun'. Kinda hard to get too into the 'fun' aspect with HP probably closing, everyone cutting their days. Call me a stick in the mud, guess that's the difference when someone's livlihood is at stake, not really much FUN in any of it.

As you mentioned you are impressed with the knowledge of your responders.  From the even handed way they write I learn from all but especialy For Big Red (are you Ron Turcott?) and the two Karens (one in Indiana)  I think it was one of them who knows horses and riding well enough to describe the way MTB changed leads and sidled his shoulder to get through the hole next to Join in the Dance.  I loved that and have regaled that explanation to lots of friends who think I'm so smart about horse racing - nothing like living vicariously.

And one of the Karens recommended I read "My Racing Heart."  Thanks!  I LOVED it.  Next to Hilenbrand's "Seabiscuit," it is written so very well.

These are the people who should be getting attention or Guest Blogs - knowledge without ego - not some stinker (or y'all put in your favorite noun).

merrywriter 29 May 2009 12:04 PM

Hey that's a suggestion for a new contest!

If any of those people you named actually DO have any connection to racing.

I've been reading this blog for a really long time and have seen the posts of a lot of people. Do remember back the mentions of who is connected and who isn't. Particularly when questioned by some who were actually connected.

Know a few who have posted on here in past who were actually in the game. Like Barry, Wanda and some who don't want to be called by name.

Think the ones you mentioned said they were 'horse' people, but certainly not racetrackers.

Still it's an interesting concept to figure out who is connected and who is just a well informed (or not) fan.

Here is an up-dated poll on this damn race.  :)

Which horse will win at Belmont?Mine That Bird x  

59%

Rachel Alexandra x  

40%

Other x  

1%

For Big Red.  

Thank You.  I love FF and was really freaked out when I found this out.  Why in the world did he run the Preakness if this was going on?  I don't get that with Larry.  ???????????????  

Greg J ... you make some interesting points but let me remind you that Dunkirk has more wins this year then the FLUKE does.

Audra... Thank you may the best handicapper win !

Zebra ... Thank you !

RacingDoc... yes I am the same Draynay as the one on DailyKos

Last let me say this to clear the air. I do not dislike or hate any horse.  I boo and cheer each horse in the heat of the sport. Why would I cheer a horse when I put my hard earned money on another to beat him? I don't need to know the horses name to know I would love to walk up and pet any one of them.

Please remember horse racing is a sport and like any arena sport cheering and booing is part of it.

Just because I boo Zenyatta's Pride doesn't mean I wouldn't love to pet her and feed her an apple.

Clennox

I so agree with you.  if Mind That Bird was my horse, Calvin would not come 100 feet of him.  He really pissed me off on that.  :)

Greg J.  

Damn good post.  Remember Seattle Slew was purchased for 17 grand.  Was he a FLUKE too?  LOLOLOLOL!  Best damn sire in the 20th century.  Oh AFTER he won the TC! :)  You are so funny.  

Well Terri V either he was and they thought they could get another race out of him or they just ignored the warning signs. My feeling is he was showing something but they  just chalked it up to post race wear and tear. In any event I don't think it was news to them that he had a non-displaced chip.

I have just read all the comments. Hilarious. Talk about armchair quarterbacks.

Please stop referring to MTB as a $9500 purchase. The present owners paid $400,000 for him because he was a proven winner - in Canada. But where did the $25,000 Northern Dancer come from? What were his "lifetime" earnings?

I am sure Draynay is having a lot of fun and we are giving him a lot to work with. My sympathies to Draynay's betterhalf.

Can't wait for this, but I might just miss dray some.

TerriV

I think the REAL reason they want her out of the Belmont is cause they don't want her to get beat. :)

Ldp & Bob D.,

   FYI, Guess who had a work this morning?,

"Crown of Thorns"

Date: May 29, 2009

Track: SANTA ANITA PARK

Distance: Three Furlongs

Time: 37:60 Breezing

Track Condition: Fast

Surface: All Weather Track

Rank: 13/30

How ironic is that?, Glad to see he is back and healthy...

For Big Red,

     Thanks for the update on Friesan Fire!, Now, Let's hope they take their time with him, and he comes back stronger then ever(I hope the Derby and Preakness didn't mess his Head up, though)

XX(Fingers Crossed...)

TO MERRYWRITER: Re your 29 May 2009 12:04pm post, thank you very much for your kindness.

Kindness is a quality I admire more than almost any other, and we could use more of it in this weary world.

As for your question, I'm smiling. No, I'm not Ron Turcotte, but I admire him. Life dealt him a pretty cruel blow, but he's handled it with more graciousness than I could probably ever muster in similar circumstances.

I'm just one of the people in this world who seem to have been born loving animals, particularly dogs and horses. From early childhood, I was so taken with the romance and mystique of Thoroughbred racehorses, but all the legends could only ever be stories in a book to me. Then, in 1972, along came this magical red creature who was the embodiment of everything beautiful and worthwhile about this centuries-old sport. On some level, I've never quite been the same since, even though my child's starry eyed notions long ago gave way to an adult's hard reality. Yet I can still close my eyes and see those sparkling days when "the horse that God built" graced our lives. I hope the memories are as vivid for Ronnie as they are for all of the people like me who saw him ride Secretariat into legend.

For Big Red.  

I have a question for you.  Do you feel that FF should have ran the Preakness?  :)

StardustyRose: Re the question in your 29 May 2009 1:03pm post, unfortunately it's not something we can discuss freely, if at all, here. Have to be a little oblique, but let me just say I am definitely NOT on board that particular bandwagon. Hope you get my meaning. :)

Greg J.: You're right, of course. The Derby and Preakness could easily have hurt his confidence. Sigh. All we fans can do is hope for the best. My hope is that it makes him more aggressive when racing, not less. Does happen that way sometimes.

Nancyb: (if what you're asking is what I think you are) E. P. Taylor used to sell his yearlings at a special Windfields yearling sale.  He would set a price on his yearlings and if you wanted them, you bouught them.  In 1962, he offered Northern Dancer for $25,000.00 but no one wanted to buy him because he was too small.  So E.P. had to race him himself.  

Poor E. P.

Hey Jason:

You would never get a picture of Draynay in your column.  With all that handicap intelligence his head's too wide, it would never fit.

Stardust,

    IMO, I do have my questions about running Fire in the Preakness, now, but hindsight is 20/20.  He did have good works leading up to the Preakness, and me being a a positive person, I would like to think that Larry Jones had no hints that Fire was injured prior to that race, especially since everything he has had to deal with in the last year.  Like I stated earlier, Yes, I do have lingering questions about the whole thing, but I will keep that to myself.  I still respect Mr. Jones, but bottom line is, Fire had surgery, Hopefully, He will heal and come back to being the Champion he is and will always be, In my eyes, at least. Thank God nothing more serious happened to him in the Preakness, though...

Stardusty Rose: No, I don't think FF should have run in the Preakness.

Let me tie your question in with the topic of this thread and the current guessing game about whether or not Rachel Alexandra will run in the Belmont. Her new connections have said the Preakness took a lot out of her. As a fan, I'd rather they err on the side of caution and not run her, but how can we fans really know if what RA's, or any horse's, connections are saying is true or just a head-fake?

I said it before the Derby almost to the point of harping on it, but it bears repeating. Condition is the #1 factor in how a horse will run. Yet the true condition of racehorses is something fans have zero objective information about, despite the wealth of performance and handicapping data available these days. That being the case, as a fan, I'll never add to the pressure to run if the connections don't think it's the right thing to do.

Greg J,

    Thanks for the update on Crown of Thorns. It is ironic that the day after i ask that he shows up on the work tab again. I too am glad he's back and appears healthy.

StardustyRose,

    RA if entered in the Belmont won't get beat. She was up on a pace that was 10-15 lengths faster than any other race that day, so it's understandable that she slowed and tired, but she dug back in when she saw MTB and held him off, even in the gallop out. This time she'll get a nice easy pace and will just be able to do her little 12 clip, like normal. Lets see how MTB can close into a easy pace, instead of closing into tired frontrunners. Don't get me wrong, he's a talented brave little horse, but RA is in another league.

StardustyRose,

    Don't blame Jones, if you want to blame anyone, blame the vet that cleared the horse to race. He most likely was still a bit bruised from the Derby, and running him in the Preakness was to much on his leg, and caused a slight stress fracture. LJ is not the won who gave the true go ahead, each horse has to pass the tests the vet gives them to race, so if you want to blame anyone blame the vet for clearing FF to race.

For Big Red:

why haven't you written a book about Secretariat??? You've got this way with words, I enjoy reading your posts!!

How I really and truly wish some of you folks really WERE in the industry. It could certainly use some of you folks right now.

As for Draynay? Once again how and why is this anything like an 'arena sport'?  

I don't see football or basketball players putting up their hardearned money to support a coach or anyone else. I don't see them working for love, petting and a good hay bag and grain bucket. I don't see them spending endless hours working on their craft. My gosh, an hour or two of practice with someone to wait on their every whim, that may be similar to what a trainer does for a horse but in no way shape or form is there a comparison.

We only make money if we hit the board or at some tracks get a nominal amount, most of which goes to the owners who do pay a day rate.

If you can honestly tell me what the similarities of an 'arena sport' where the players are playing for the money and the glory has with horse racing where almost everyone, including some of the bigs live day to day and hope they can continue to pay their feed and tack bills, then prove it.

Heck, some don't even believe racing is a sport, it's a business.

I really am curious how you would cheer and boo say a Cleveland team when Lebron plays like a super star with a triple double, yet his team loses because he doesn't get the support he needs? Yay, Boo, Yay, Boo? Makes no sense to me. What do you do at the track? Boo the jockey, cheer the horse, boo the trainer, boo the horse that beat you?  It just doesn't compute.

Oh and RacingDoc? Read that blog, splains a lot with the politics blog. The agressive, abusive attitude often displayed on those kinds of blogs.

Yep I finally get it.

StardustyRose,

I know Larry pretty well and I really can say with a fair amount of certainty that he would never have run FF if he had any inkling anything was wrong. Sometimes (even in humans) stress fractures and hairline fx can be very difficult to diagnose.

I really think it's inappropriate to ask an opinion of someone who wasn't close to the situation, doubtfully even knows the parties involved. That is the kind of speculation and innuendo that led in a large part to Larry leaving the game as well as the hard feelings, wariness and distrust of many in the game.

Plus, trust me, she/he wasn't the only one who saw Big Red run or fell in love with him or The Bid or, Affirmed, Alydar, John Henry, Winning Colors, Landaluce etc, etc, etc.

Racing on a day to day basis is a huge committment, both emotionally and financially and it does take its toll.

For Big Red  

Thanks. :)  I bet you do remember that race that Secretariat rode into legend quite well ;-)

Greg. J.  I have my feelings about the whole thing on Fire myself.  I really need to keep that to myself as well.  I do believe that the vet is a big factor though as LDP stated. I just hope for a strong and good recovery.  Any AP Indy horse is a very special horse to me.  :)

RacingDoc

I don't have one thing against Larry.  I really admire him.  That much I can say.  :)  Thanks .  

TO:RAGSY

If it didn't occur to you that RA was tired after the Preakness,then you don't know much about racing!

Mine That Bird, Rachel, and Papa Clem - git r done!  

Also, forgive me if I offend anyone, but I find it very disturbing that a fan like For Big Red is passing off opinions like they are the gospel. As the person said themselves:

" said it before the Derby almost to the point of harping on it, but it bears repeating. Condition is the #1 factor in how a horse will run. Yet the true condition of racehorses is something fans have zero objective information about, despite the wealth of performance and handicapping data available these days. That being the case, as a fan, I'll never add to the pressure to run if the connections don't think it's the right thing to do"

In the same respect you really shouldn't analyze a situation that you are only observing from afar. Just like you say you wouldn't pressure them as a fan TO run (not that it would matter much), you really shouldn't be speaking in such an authoritative manner as to why they SHOULDN'T have run.

There's a lot of second guessing and speculation in doing so.

I certainly wouldn't want a lay person instructing me on performing a surgery, doubt if you were my patient you'd want a neighbor who was a big fan of yours telling me what to do, right?

ZENYATTA is the champ and Queen of the Hill so whoever wants to dethrone her needs to come looking for her. ZENYATTA doesn't need to go looking for anyone, she's the boss.

For Big Red,  So beautifully put about the incomparable Secretariat.  I feel so much the same and just looking at his picture fills me up.  I truly don't believe we'll ever see his equal but it's fun to look every year.  And if we don't ever see Big Red's like again, we are certainly seeing some wonderful, magnificent horses.  You're right - horses and dogs - God's best creatures!

Stardust,

    I happen to agree with LDP, If Rachel runs in the Belmont(Which I don't think she will) She will win, Taking nothing away from Mine that Bird.  The Preakness was a deep track and it was a fast pace, Yes, The Belmont also is a deep track, but the fractions would never be that quick.  She never would have been passed in the Preakness(IMO), She just wouldn't allow it, She has the drive and heart of a champion(So does the Bird), but I just think, She has the build and skills that are a little better then Mine that Bird(There is no denying his amazing courage, Though!)., Just my two cents...

TO LADY RUFFIAN: Thank you. Although there are several good books about Red, I think Bill Nack's "Secretariat: The Making of a Champion," and Lawrence Scanlan's "The Horse God Built: The Untold Story of Secretariat, the World's Greatest Racehorse,"  are the definitive books about him. Nothing I could ever write would top them.

Also, for people who may not be aware of it, a movie about Secretariat and his people is in production and is tentatively scheduled to be released next year. This is a Disney Studios project, I believe.

Am i the only one getting fed up with all these people who are so scared the horses are going to hurt.

I mean it is as if they think every time there is a race, one of them is going to die, and they thank god every time a race is run without one dying.  These are the same people who are so scared that RA was going to get hurt, or will get hurt if she decides to go in the belmont.  Does all this hysteria stem from the barbaro and 8 bells incidents.  

These people are driving me up a freaking wall.

zookeeper, refute without vitriol  is all I'm saying ;-)

Rachel A. (for real)

Howdy...lol.....and here's 'my' selections...lol...son to be 'put-up'...lol...

RacingDoc, very well put, especially your last sentence.  In that commitment, racing becomes your life. Not a 9 to 5 with week-ends off and vacation and holidays thrown in, but 24/7, 365 days a year. You live and breathe it. And emotionally?  Well, I won't even go there.

RacingDoc: There's absolutely nothing wrong with one person asking another for his or her opinion. Last I checked, we still have freedom of speech and association in this country, and on this blog within the bounds maintained by Jason. More to the point, opinion and speculation are the life-blood of racing. It's what betting is all about.

I chose to answer StardustyRose's question to me with considerable care. What "innuendo" you may read into Rose's question and/or my answer is your business. There's no difference in substance whatsoever between people asking each others' opinions about whether or not Rachel Alexandra should run in the Belmont and the question Rose asked me. One was asked before the fact, one after, that's all.

As for all that "wariness and distrust of many in the game," boo hoo. Anyone in public life who is so thin-skinned that they can't take the rough-and-tumble of modern media and internet communications should do exactly what Larry Jones has the class and intelligence to do, and move on to another, more private chapter in their lives.

As for your comment that I'm not the only person to ever fall in love with Red and/or the other horses you used as examples, it takes the prize as the silliest slap-shot of the year, so far. Now where's my raspberry emoticon when I need it. ROFLMAO!!!

Katsan, I ALWAYS cheer the horse!;-)

Love of your game is love of your game...it's obvious you love yours!  

Anyone who is passionate about their chosen "thing' puts in thousands of hours to become one of the "elite"... There's many a hometown "arena player" who wasn't good enough for the bigs anymore than a $2500 claimer, who should have found a "forever home" a dozen races ago, is good enough for the graded races, yet that hometown player plays for no money except love of the game...and dreams "IF"...does that hard knocker get run for love or to buy a bag of grain to "earn" his keep?

Yeah, the big arena players, they get the money from the team owners willing to get the best players...and some horse players spend millions and buy every promising colt coming along so they can win the big one...

FYI,

    Its official, No Rachel in Belmont.  From Jess Jackson, "We feel Rachel deserves a well-earned vacation.  Since March 14, Rachel has won four graded races with just two weeks rest between her last two victories.  We will always put her long-term well being first. And, of course, we want to run her when she is fresh."

     Glad they are doing this, She had nothing to prove at all in the Belmont.  Kudos to Mr. Jackson, and it will be Great to see Calvin on Mine That Bird in the Belmont, Going for his Triple Crown, Riding the little Gelding that could...  

Just read on drf RA is out of Belmont.

Oh, what a superb plan, Jason.

Greg J., you can be sure I will study every stat that was ever invented to beat you-know-who.  

Game On!

I'm with you, Big Red. Keep posting your opinions.

Too bad Rachel won't be going, but it was not a surprise. There are other prizes to be won down the road, and it will be fun to see her then.

Rachel is out of the Belmont. Great decision, Mr. Jackson. It was the right thing to do.

Now the G-1's Mother Goose on 6/27; The Coaching Club Amer. Oaks 7/25 then onto Saratoga for the Alabama, or more likely, The Travers. Then one more start before the BC. Perfect!  

RacingDoc, perhaps you are not aware of the purpose of blogs; it is for people to express their opinions. It's a bit beyond the pale to be telling people they shouldn't be posting their opinions.

Dray,

Zenyatta is the Queen of Poly, Pro-Ride, Cushion & Dirt (Defeated CHAMPION GINGER PUNCH @ OAKLAWN).

Take a look at the Apple Blossom last year. You would think she had no shot around the far turn and the way Ginger Punch had it relatively easy on the lead, especially with no dirt experience on her corner. Then Whoosh. Wave bye bye.

Nuff said.

I was hoping that she would run. But she wasn't thriving like she was before or after the Oaks. So it was understandable given her current condition. That's cool though. We'll catch her on the next one. Its quite possible she could run the same weekend as Zenyatta does next month. Vanity is the 27th I believe. Mother Goose the 26th.

Greg J.  I agree it is no surprise RA will not run in the Belmont.

Can't help but wonder, "what if", should MTB win the Belmont.  What a story for the ages, the 50 to 1 shot won the Triple Crown.

Oh well, it is what it is.  Still ready to bet like never before.

Deserved or not, if Mine That Bird does win the Belmont, Calvin will be forever known as the reason we did not have a Triple Crown winner this year. Ironically, if Rachel stays in the barn the first Saturday in June, and Borel rides The Bird, he will become the first jockey, I think, to win all 3 Triple Crown races in the same year on different horses. Does anyone know if any other rider has done so, or will I have to dig out my research books?

For Big Red,

Hmmm sounds a bit drayish.

An opinion is fine, but your comments disparaged Larry Jones without even knowing him or observing the horse up close and personal.

You tried to intimate that you are an insider. Well fans opinions are great but to try and present that you are in the know, and I really don't think I'm the only one who thought that, is what I was talking about.

As for the comment about the wariness? That really hurts the game because without that TRUE inside information? It's just a guessing game. If everyone did what Larry is doing after being bashed and battered over and over again as many HAVE been? You wouldn't have a game to appreciate.

I don't consider someone who criticizes the human element of the industry as a real fan because all the parts fit together and must co-exist or the game ceases to do so.

People like Larry, Katsan and many others who live and breathe racing are the ones we need to be encouraging, not berating, second guessing and harassing. IMHO.

So go ahead and roll around on the floor laughing your A** off. If not for people that you're putting down there would have been no Big Red.

My comment about him and the others? Merely to point out that a lot of people loved them but don't feel qualified to analyze, dissect and instruct people what those in the game should do.

Now if you have the whole picture on FF and his condition, the particulars of it after each race, a look at the results showing the FX then by all means, let's hear your valued opine.

Dave the Draynay Fan,

    First off, I am a huge fan of this sport, Number one reason, is to see these incredible "Athletes" doing what they love to do, Run like the wind.  They are incredible in every aspect, Having grown up with them on a farm in Randolph, Vermont, I know first hand what it is to have more then one as my pet, companion, friend.  Second, I happen to do O.K. wagering on these Athletes.

    So do me a favor, When you make a comment like, "fed up with all these people who are so scared the horses are going to hurt." AND then when you say, "Does all this hysteria stem from the barbaro and 8 bells incidents.  These people are driving me up a freaking wall"

    I know if I wanted to say what I really feel about your complete ignorance, Jason would not print it, So just use your Imagination on what I would say.

    Whenever these Athletes get on the track, they are risking their lives, as well as the jockeys. If you want me to prove my point, Here you go...

    This is just in the last five Days, "Dave":

1."Born to Be", euthanized 05/25

2."Flibberjibit", euthanized 05/25

3."Courtwright", euthanized 05/25

4."Parade Summer Girl", euthanized 05/25

5."Chanceofshowers", euthanized 05/25

      All incredible Athletes doing what they loved to do, Run., And now they are no longer with us.  So, In the future, Why don't you think before you speak, and put yourself in the shoes of the owners, caretakers, Family members,  One moment, They are seeing their beloved "Friends" go out on the track, and in a blink of an eye, They are gone.  Are you trying to tell me that these people don't pray for them to be safe every moment they are on the track, every step they take in and off the track, every waking moment they pray for their safety!

   Why don't you take a step back, and put yourself in their shoes, then maybe, just maybe, you might feel the same way as those same people that are "driving you up a freaking wall".

    Do you think you would have the Audacity to walk up to one of the Connections of the five Horses I mentioned and tell them, "I am fed up with you people because you think your Horse is going to get Hurt?????"

    Betting on a Horse and not giving a you know what about their safety, Well, Is just Criminal.  True Fans of this Sport Love these Animals for what they are, And Care about their Safety at every given moment.

   Thanks Jason, But, I had to reply to such a statement in the manner that I did...

Finally, put into words by jackson about something we knew a few days ago! Calvin on MTB, just might be a "Calvin Crown"!!

That leaves Charitable Man alone up front. And Alan Garcia on a lone front runner? All we have to do is look back to last year.

MIke S.  RIGHT ON!!! ZENYATTA!!!!

GREG J

Hello! Yes,it's great news to know Jackson and company is finally doing something correctly. I've said many times RA needs a break.

MIKE S

I couldn't agree w/ you more. Great point!

TO RACINGDOC: Re your 29 May 2009 3:53pm post, I don't take your comments as being offensive, just silly and a little overwrought. For example, you wrote, "In the same respect you really shouldn't analyze a situation that you are only observing from afar." What exactly do you think handicapping is? What do you think these blogs are all about?

You seem to want me (and presumably all other fans) to sit down, shut up and never utter a peep about things we can "only observe from afar." If I take your screen name at face value, I assume you practice veterinary or human medicine. If so, I'm surprised an educated person like you fails to comprehend that the world doesn't work that way. Thinking human beings form opinions on all sorts of things far afield from their own immediate circle of personal experience and observation.

On the other hand, I have known a few doctors and vets who prefer that their clients/patients simply take their word for everything without question, so maybe that's where you're coming from.

TO:ZOOKEEPER

Thanks! You couldn't have been more right regarding certain individuals that illustrate their lack of class to "slam" horses.

da3hoss.

Right you are. Only difference is no matter how many millions a lot of them spend, they don't make much money at it.

The horses don't make a living wage (LOL), but you better believe that the claimer down the shedrow gets the same feed, vitamins etc that the one who won the Futurity, placed in the Derby etc gets. Fact is some of our cheaper horses get lots more pats and love than the ones that make the most money because some of them are just more loveable than some others.

They still get fed in our barn, win or lose. Some of them are single A from the getgo, but they still love to run, are fit and healthy, just not as talented. We still let em do what they like. Sort of like Tball where they all get a chance to hit and run the bases!

God forbid, but I bet Draynay boos those little tiny kids since it is ‘arena sports’ after all.

I guess I have to say that I think that Stardust thought  For Big Red was in the know so to speak. I kinda thought that because the way they were talking about condition of the horse seemed like they were a conditioner or trainer themselves.

FBR, you  have to admit if someone says you  might be Ronnie, and says you are very knowledgeable about a particular colt, then I’d take that as somebody thinking I worked with the animal or animals on the track. I do and that’s the way we talk amongst ourselves.

For the comment about thin skinned or Larry pursuing other parts of his life? Well how would you feel if you were harassed and had every part of your personal life and people digging into your life to see if maybe you yelled at your spouse, kicked the dog etc and felt like you had to step away from something you love?

Maybe you’d be okay with it because you may hate your job. Sounds like you may envy those in racing a bit, and I don’t blame you because despite all the difficulties it’s a pretty enviable profession.

Not to speak for Doc but, there's a BIG difference between stating a fan's opinion and trying to present that you know more than you do. I think pretty much everybody who posts on here who is in racing knows that 99% of it is opinion and not practical experience or any true insight. Just like Doc says, if it's presented that way no issue. But to 'act' like you know and question somebody who really DOES know,then you better definitely be in the know yourself.

For Big Red.

Huge difference between handicapping and criticizing someone for running a horse that YOU don't think was in condition to run. They went over FF, everything seemed fine. He wasn't off when he walked, trotted or even galloped. He was eating fine what about that in your vast knowledge would lead you to say he shouldn't have run in the Preakness? Flying Private ran badly, yet rebounded in the Preakness and ran pretty well. Pioneer of the Nile ran well in the Derby and like crap in the Preakness, guess he shouldn't have run either?  There's a difference between presenting and opinion and being adamantly matter of fact.

My patients? I explain everything to them, tell them what I think is in their best interest and what would alleviate their problem then they decide. Horses can't do that so I trust the people who work with them every day to act in their best interest, especially when it's someone like Larry and many others.

Here's a deal. I'll do free surgery on you, the caveat? Let the patient escort who sees all kinds of patients, takes them to xray, watches the nurses care for them and sometimes observe surgery, guide me and tell me what's best for you.

Maybe an a** enhancement since you were laughing yours off.

And Greg J, how right you are. Seems to be contagious about people telling the connections who are with these animals day in and day out, have huge amounts of time, love and money invested in them, how they should handle the best interest of the animal. Whether that be not running them for whatever reason or determining that they are fit and WANT to run.

Those of you who think either decision is your call because you're a fan, I just don't get that.

Mike Relva:

You are so right...I am a beginner with horse racing.  I have learned with reading... and loving it. actually, I have learned from these blogs... many thanks for your thoughtful consideration....

p.s. Tiznow, I actually think I have a clue about what comments on a board or in response to a blog are all about. I've posted on a number of comment sections on blogs, even have written a blog or two. (You aren't blogging, you are commenting on the content of the blog and responding to other posters, right?) Anyway, I have no problem with opinions, just seemed like the person was speaking from first hand experience, that's what I was trying to say. Was somewhat misleading based on the comments to the person.

Jason, you're in the know, do you think we finally silenced Draynay just by creating this particular blog? I thought he would be lording himself over everyone, but he is strangely silent. Perhaps twirling the propeller on his cap? LOL  

TO RACINGCOC: Re your 29 May 2009 6:09pm response to me, you wrote: "Your comments disparaged Larry Jones..." Really? Please do point out my remarks here that you think disparaged the man?

You also wrote, "You tried to intimate that you are an insider." Really? Isn't that precisely what you're doing? We only have your word for it that you know Mr. Jones. Your screen name suggests you might be a veterinarian with a practice in racing. Are you? However you reply, we can't know the truth either way, can we. Shucks, that's another byproduct of this newfangled thingy called internet forums, where anyone can pretty much post anything within the bounds of the particular forum. What IS the world coming to when we now have all those messy opinions jostling each other for space here and elsewhere. The world was a much more simple place when those on high never had to hear from the great unwashed multitude. Tsk, tsk.

Lastly, you also wrote, "I don't consider someone who criticizes the human element of the industry as a real fan..." Wow! So I was absolutely right in my 6:42pm post that you want us to sit down, shut up and never utter a peep. Gee, I guess that means my analytical skills aren't that bad after all, huh?

Anyway, out of deference to Jason and the actual topic of this blog, I'm done with this conversation even though it was quite stimulating. :)

With Rachel out the FLUKE has no real shot of winning.  I see a two horse race between....oops I almost helped you all.  4th place won't be bad for the FLUKE but that is all you can expect.

J/S  

I believe Draynay has picked Vineyard Haven.

Draynay- Watch out for Mr. Hot Stuff.  He's overdue.

Sweet Terchi... I will have plenty to say but I do not want to tip my hand too much.  You see, people FOR BIG RED, SLEW EM ALL, KATSAN, THE ROCK, MIKE RELVA, and GREG J know a little about the history of racing but they have no clue on how to handicap. So I am a little quiet because I don't want them feeding off my expert handicapping knowledge.  I was thinking about handicapping the race with one hand tied behind my back and one eye closed but Jason didn't want me to look like I was showing off.  Believe me I will have plenty to say when you amateurs finally make your 3 losing picks.LOL

Actually I'm a people Dr, thus the reference to what I tell my patients and the offer for a butt reconstruction for you. Although as you can tell by my offer I have treated the occasional horses a**.

If I felt a need to justify myself I could provide you with copies of my training bills, winners circle pictures and a picture of my farm. But I really didn't present that I knew that FF shouldn't have run now did I? Just commented on what Larry and everyone else connected have said both in private and public.

You want examples of what led me down this path?

"how can we fans really know if what RA's, or any horse's, connections are saying is true or just a head-fake?" insinuating there is a cover up or lies.

"Thank You.  I love FF and was really freaked out when I found this out.  Why in the world did he run the Preakness if this was going on?  I don't get that with Larry.  ???????????????  

StardustyRose 29"

"StardustyRose: Re the question in your 29 May 2009 1:03pm post, unfortunately it's not something we can discuss freely, if at all, here. Have to be a little oblique, but let me just say I am definitely NOT on board that particular bandwagon. Hope you get my meaning. :)

For Big Red 29 May 2009 2:43 PM

Now if you don't think that presents as 'inside information' being privvy to insight others are not, intrigue and not on the up and up, then I'm not sure what else it intimates. I'd definitely say that Stardusty Rose felt compelled to say that she respected Larry, must have read something into that huh?

You probably are done stirring the pot on this subject. unfortunately even if I showed you proof positive you'd still doubt it. But I can say it's an integral part of my life that I can't just bicker about with someone who only has opinions then walk away from it.

Well, Rachel isn't running and I think it's great that they put her interests first. Made my day to see her not running. It's just too much to ask of her and they knew it. Good for them. When they start breeding horses for stamina and soundness, it might not be so much of an issue.

Greg J you are so right about caring about the welfare and proper care of horses if you are a real fan of this sport. That is a concept that is not negotiable. Well said. I dare anyone to tell me their heart isn't in their throat when they see a horse go down-and stay down.

Katsan: Re your 7:12pm post, it's almost hard to know where to begin and still respond in an appropriate manner. Let me turn it around on you for a moment and ask if you owe me any explanations for what you post? Do you owe me a resume before you post? Does anyone on an internet forum? Of course not! In fact, sharing personal information on the internet can be dangerous. Even so, I've shared a small bit about myself already earlier in these various blogs.

I don't expect you to remember everything posted here, but the sad/funny thing is, I've made it a point several times in these blogs to emphasize that I stayed away from racing for at least the last 10 years both due to all the breakdowns and to other things going on in my life. How that translates for you into "they were talking about condition of the horse seemed like they were a conditioner or trainer themselves," I'll never figure out.

In any case, as a courtesy, I'll repeat what I've already shared about myself. The first horse I fell in love with as a kid was the 1960 Preakness winner, Bally Ache. In my late teens and very early 20's, like a lot of kids do while "finding themselves," I knocked around in various jobs before getting my head screwed on straight enough to go to college. For about a year right after high school, I worked as a registration assistant for The Jockey Club at their old NYC HQ. I then worked for Early Bird Stud in Ocala and at Hialeah for awhile, galloping and rubbing yearlings. Then it was off to school and a life that went in a different direction, although I continued to closely follow the sport. I've seen who knows how many races since 1960, and have been privileged to see most of the best horses since then.

Do you know who Dike was? Well I do, and I know who trained him. Just one example of the many otherwise useless factoids that have stuck in my thick skull since 1960. Depending on the topic, I happily admit to not being the sharpest knife in the drawer. However, I'm not going to apologize to you or anyone else for all that racing stuff rattling around in my head, or for my willingness to research what I don't know/am not certain of, or for my ability to express myself. I'm not into playing dumb just to be accepted. Did that in high school, but am too old for such nonsense now.

Draynay, you gave me my laugh for the day!! I'm not sure what kind of handicapping you do if you think one hand tied behind your back, plus one eye closed will give you a leg up!!

What is the issue folks? Wearing your collective selves out, arguing about a subject that is a blip on the radar in your lives?

Some of you tell me a small amount about yourselves, I’d like to dissect your life with just a tad of information. Aha, your kid limped once? I’m sure you beat the daylights out of them then made them go ahead and practice track with a bum leg. See how silly that sounds, coming from someone on the outside looking in?

Opinions are like belly buttons, everybody has one. But that doesn’t mean you know what the other person’s looks like, now does it?

That little spy talk and ’we can’t discuss this on here’, what a crock. That was done with no other agenda other than to seem like that person knows some deep dark, sinister secret. No secret there at all.  

Give your opinions, be a fan that’s wonderful and we just love the fans. Especially those who love the animals and hold each and every one dear in their hearts.  Just don’t act like you have FBI info or a JFK conspiracy theory.

Tell me ?  How do we feel when we lose a horse? Whether it’s a catastrophic breakdown, a horse getting claimed, injured and out for a few months or the horse of a lifetime getting sold out from under you?

I really need someone to tell me how I should act or feel when that happens, who better than someone who never experienced it?

Personally, I wish Rachel had run in the Derby. Just my opinion though.

Believe she could've taken the boys.

Okay with respect everyone has an opinion on this FF topic. The big BUT is none of us handle the horse so anything we say is just that an opinion. As far as giving RA a break cause she's tired that's THEIR call and to tell the truth IMO I don't think she wants to go that far but hey that's my opinion.

RacingDoc, I find the majority of your comments distasteful, but I wouldn't tell you to sit down and shut up as I perceive you to be doing to For Big Red. Also, I've been reading FBR's posts for quite and while and I've never gotten the idea this person is presenting himself/herself as an insider. You seem to be overly sensitive. Not sure why.

Finally, I cannot believe you think no true fan should criticise the human element. All that's screwed up and wrong with racing is due to the humans. Doesn't make sense to me to chastise the horses.

And now I am done. Please pardon me for presenting my opinion.

Since this entire thread has gotten so random, here are some random thoughts:

I would love to see ZENYATTA go against the boys or at least go to Saratoga or Belmont to run against girls, but if her owners don't want to do that I won't fault them for it. As I said before, she's the champ so she doesn't need to go looking for competition; if you want to beat her you know where she will be.

As for RACHEL ALEXANDRA, I believe that she will be accomplishing a lot in the coming months, like sweeping the Mother Goose and Alabama Stakes, and all that good stuff. And if she wants a nice 2nd place finish on her resume she can come looking for ZENYATTA. What a race that would be...at least until ZENYATTA asserts her superiority inside the 1/16th pole.

I would love to see WELL ARMED run in the Jockey Club Gold Cup this year. That one turn 10 furlong trip, with the sweeping long run down the backstretch really suited him at Nad Al Sheba, and I think he would win at Belmont as well.

I just cannot believe why Shadwell and Zabeel Racing would leave good horses, like MERCHANT MARINE and TIZ NOW TIZ THEN, respectively, in Dubai, just hanging out in the desert all year, instead of having them here in the USA winning stakes races. MERCHANT MARINE has 5 lifetime wins, all at Belmont, then he was bought by Shadwell and taken to Dubai where he raced in 12th place the entire trip, only to lose by 40 lengths. Do you think they brought him back to Belmont? No way. They left him in Dubai, where he is vegetating until the next Dubai racing season opens in December! What in the world for? That is just a total waste of a fine racehorse. It's ironic that the Metropolitan Handicap is now the "Shadwell Metropolitan" and they had their best chance to win the race - MERCHANT MARINE - not in the starting gate, but serving no purpose whatsoever in Dubai.

I have no clue what TIZ NOW TIZ THEN's owners are thinking. He's also just languishing, doing nothing in Dubai, just sort of hangin' out in the heat, I guess. I wish I had the money to buy these two horses. Then again, the owners are so wealthy they'd never sell them to me! I just think it's a shame to waste good horses like this, because a horse's career opportunity is not infinite, so it's good to race them while they're hot, you know?

Draynay, how will you throw darts at the wall to make your picks if you have one arm tied behind your back and one eye closed.

Come to think of it, that may be a more successful for you than your current method. :)

Draynay, I think your political commentary is bad, but better than this garbage.

Know a little about racing history?

Uh, I've LIVED it for 50+ years.

Handicapping, I'm not the best but I do quite well. Happen to know someone who was audited by the IRS for his profits in gambling and the fact that his stable always made money, contrary to the norm.

Maybe I inherited a little of that.

I had money on the Derby winner, did you? I had the tri in the Oaks, did you? Some trainers aren't good handicappers and they're the first to tell you that,unless they intentionally lead you down the rocky road (bet you'd be the first they'd do that to).unlike a lot I've always done well. Especially since I don't handle the main training chores any longer.

I'm not a heavy gambler, really not wise when you're around it every day, but I make bets when I really handicap a race.

Draynay, your blowhard act is tedious, maybe you should hold your breath let all that hot air carry you away or explode your oversized noggin that already is full of air near to the brim.

Tiznow, so you condone criticizing someone you know nothing about?

Intimating they've done something wrong?

I'm a big believer that people who do wrong in racing should be punished. I'm even for long term suspensions and permanently ruling off repeat offenders. What I'm not a proponent of is condemning people with ZERO evidence.

As far as giving your opinion? Give it til the cows come home. If people like me in racing ignored it totally you'd just be giving input to people who can't really do anything about it. But talk away, insult your pea pickin little heart out enjoy it, if that's what makes you happy. Me I'll try not to criticize those who first, aren't here to defend themselves and secondly don't insult me or a friend first.

Atthebarn hey there buddy! Glad to hear from you. Talked to Jordan and Brad awhile ago and asked Jordan to say hi to you if you guys were in contact.

The conversation on here got a little to intense if you know what I mean but at least everyone is talking about racing which is a good thing.

Rock,

    One race over dirt does not qualify you as a champion over that surface. Winning repeatedly over that surface while doing it in different tracks and states is what qualifies you as a champion on that surface. This is why Zenyatta, in my opinion is a synthetic champion and west coast champ. If she's actually prove what her connections say and run over some dirt tracks this year, muddy or not, and win like she does on synthetics out west, i'd say she's a champion on both. A good example of a versitle horse is Einstien. He's probably his best on turf, but he runs well on dirt, and can go synthetics too, as seen at SA. Now they say the pro ride plays more towards grass, which was probably to his liking, kinda like it was to Life is Sweet. Also if Zen is better on dirt, she'd probably like the Cushion track better since it play more like dirt. Anyhow lets let her win a few more races on dirt before we crown her a dirt champion.

Jason,

    I'm actually in a pretty decent mood, which is probably because i'm kinda tired, weird. I've got to go to bed soon though, work, don't we all love it, lol.

Thank You Jason,

I went outside to see if there was a full moon. Everybody, RELAX, TAKE A DEEP BREATH, MELLOW OUT!! Jason, I like Black Mamba and Magical Fantasy in a exacta box. Might seem chalky, but there are several very good horses in this race. How about Sok Sok in the Aristides?

Anyone who thinks Mine That Bird was a fluke should rewatch the derby or the preakness. He was champion 2 year old in Canada. He won four straight! He was just about to catch Rachel Alexandra when the stupid finish line appeared. The derby was tremendous; just like Street Sense's. Was Street Sense a fluke?

And I support Calvin Borel. He loves Rachel as a horse, not just as a racehorse

Jason,

   Still looking it over, But in the Gamely, Right now like, Lemon Chiffon, Magical Fantasy, and Black Mamba(Don't have the order down yet).  Still looking it over.

   How about "Custom for Carlos" winning tonight!, He is going to be a force down the road. My other favorite, "Proud Monkey" faded, He is a spinter, not a miler, right now, He will get there!

   Look out for "Zensational" coming up at Hollywood in about 13 minutes!(Zensational, Dark and Deep, Candy Lion).  Lastly, Watch Magical Affair tomorrow at Belmont in the Sands, Just my two cents on a few, But still try to figure out Gamely...

RACINGDOC: Re your 8:22pm post, I planned to step out of this conversation, but you are SO wrong. (Too bad we can format here. Would make the following much more clear.)

First, you quote this sentence I posted: "How can we fans really know if what RA's, or any horse's, connections are saying is true or just a head-fake?" Then you followed with your comment, "insinuating there is a cover up or lies." Here's a clue. It's insinuating neither. Don't you know what a head-fake is in sports? Have you never heard the expression?

Second, you quoted StardustyRose's post to me and my response to her. So let me get this straight. You whine because you think I'm disparaging Jones, but when I diplomatically refuse to do so, you still complain?

This was not my post: "Why in the world did he run the Preakness if this was going on? I don't get that with Larry." It was Rose's. Mine was a non-answer that attempted to: (1) indicate that subject was off-topic and inappropriate for this blog, in my opinion, and (2) avoid having you uber-Jones fans get your kickers in a bunch. Writing that I had to be oblique, but hoped she understood my meaning, should have been a clue that I didn't want to engage in that particular discussion and was concerned about being misinterpreted. I am not on the Jones hero-worshippers' bandwagon, because their hyper-sensitivity is a giant turn-off for me.

The problem with you, Doc, appears to be that you seem to find deep, dark insults and/or nuances around every corner. So let me make it as plain as the nose on your face. Even under ideal circumstances, communications between people are wide open to misunderstandings. In the three-dimensional world, we get around that problem intuitively by using facial expressions, hand gestures, body language, and tone of voice to instantly get and impart feedback and clarification. However, internet posts are a flat, one-dimensional medium where such aides to understanding are entirely absent. Try asking for clarification the next time before jumping off a cliff with unfounded assumptions and accusations.

Boy did you say that right Jason. everyone take a chill pill. We are all here because we share something, if not everything. We all love horses and horse racing. That makes us kindred spirits whether we like it or not. Let's all sing Kumbaya together now.

And to think I removed Dray the celebrity from my Christmas card list. So if I am seeing this correct, make the most noise and get the most attention. I knew it worked in Hollywood but I never thought it would happen on this blog : )

Jason, Don't forget Lady's Laughter. Third start on the form and I see she adds blinkers.

JASON: I apologize for getting so far off topic. Not my intention when I briefly brought up FF. Thanks for your tolerance. :)

Well Jason, that's what the issue is with some of us.

It's JUST horse racing to some, but to some of us it's our very lives.

Guess that's why we leave the comments so often, then maybe foolishly return.

Tell me true, would you like being insulted, having your friends and colleagues insulted and questioned at every turn? Told that humans are destroying racing and have a comment made that your comments defending your friends and colleagues are distasteful or getting beat up over it over and over again?

Trust me we don't like it and neither would any of those doing it. That's why it's best to just leave these opinion boards for the opinionated who ??????? love horse racing????????

I actually think they are people who love horses and resent the fact that there has to be a human element involved. Basically they don't seem like they love horse racing at all.

For Big Red? Whatever. Just seems like you aren't as fond of racing as you claim. I too took your little remarks to Stardusty rose or whatever, as some deep dark secret that you know or something you 'have' on or against Larry.

This particular post wss full of suggestion that you know exactly what is going on with FF and exactly how you feel about Larry, my bet is without even knowing him "hope he can come back in the fall and run some big races, and hope he runs as a four-year-old. With any luck, Vinery & Porter will send him to another trainer when FF is ready to resume training since Jones will be retiring in a few months anyway."

For Big Red 28 May 2009 7:04 PM "

Maybe re-read it and see what set Doc and some others off, tell me you didn't act like you knew exactly what happened to FF?

Sounds like some kind of agenda re a previous situation to me, one that you probably knew nothing about either.

But, carry on, your expertise obviously rivals only Draynay.

But those who profess to love racing, then beat up those involved in it, claim there isn't enough kindness in the world and display anything but on these boards are beyond my scope of understanding.

How can you hate somenone you don't even know? Or really even form an educated opinion about them? I think from the responses of a few, anybody who is actually involved in horse racing is better served to stay off of here and keep quiet. Be insulted in anonymity.

My pops was a trainer as a young boy and has done it off and on all of his 90 years, taking time to pursue other highly educated professions, but always keeping and coming back to the horses. Me? saw my first race 57 years ago, (that I can recall anyway). My Husband, is a 3rd generation trainer. Guess that makes us really rotten despicable people. Well, talk amongst yourselves folks and enjoy, even if it's misinformation I'm sure it'll be fact before all is said and done.

If racing keeps heading down it's current path, you'll have to move on to a new subject or really search to find some of us to talk about.

For Big Red, Oh how right you are. I'm just an ignorant summa cum laude graduate of a prestigious medical school who has been involved in racing for over 40 years and am far too ignorant to understand what a learned scholar and racing aficionado like you can teach me.

The one post with comments about hoping the horse is given to someone besides Larry was a figment of my imagination.

Thanks so much for setting me straight. Now I recall why I never posted on here after reading for so long.

My comment at 10:05 and 42 seconds P.M. EDT May 29, 2009.

Jason-- Draynay gets my ire---but he's also one of the bloggers I go to right away because he's talented and pertinent! Some persons I just go right on by but never Dray! I was all over "his" Big Brown last season, and he's also "lucky" his guy Quality Road missed out on the Derby heavy track fiasco! I'll probably be betting with him if Rachel shows up at Santa Anita--cuz 1) I've lost four times already betting against The Queen...2) Sherriffs says she doesn't like pro ride....3) I'm gonna get 2-1 at least on Rachel--and if Cocoa Beach/Music Note come along--better still!....that way it's "win-win"---if I lose my $$ and Zen wins out, that's a once in a lifetime sight to see (since I'll be there).....Better yet--"Come by for two"---Lady's Secret for a prep and Ladies Classic--those four gals plus Life Is Sweet and Stardom Bound--areya diggin' this yet??!!  

RacingDoc

I believe that I was talking to For Big Red and your opinion is not what I asked for.  As far as I am concerned Big Red has a lot of very valid comments.  :)

TO:DAVE THE DRAYNAY FAN

If you think even for a second that MTB is a fluke then you're fooling yourself,you're nuts! Also,RA needed a break,not everyone feels like you do. Some,like myself,Greg J and others' care about the welfare of the racehorse more than just merely cashing a ticket!

Miss Wanda,

Lost my mind for a minute. The boys told me the story, so terribly sorry. Makes all this seem trite.

Me, I've had a tough spring but I'm still kicking.

How much longer any of us will be hanging on is the big question.

Good luck with your partnerships, as a reaffirmed horse owner you can now jump in the lets beat up racetrackers lineup as a victim.

Anyway hope you have a MTB or RA in that horse!

I stand corrected even though I said 'colleagues and friends'.

I also didn't say YOU said it was just racing. Although it seemed that you said politics are more important, maybe my mistake.

So all of you folks have fun, speculate away!

"But those who profess to love racing, then beat up those involved in it, claim there isn't enough kindness in the world and display anything but on these boards are beyond my scope of understanding.

How can you hate somenone you don't even know? Or really even form an educated opinion about them? I think from the responses of a few, anybody who is actually involved in horse racing is better served to stay off of here and keep quiet. Be insulted in anonymity."

 KATSAN WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ??? How dare any of us form opinions about trainers that get caught cheating again and again and nothing is done? Or how some owners care little about the sport or the horses and just act greedy?  We are not allowed to form an opinion based on the information we get on some of these people ? Nonsense ! No one is saying all trainers are bad or evil but many have been allowed to cheat and treat horses as a chemical lab and you know it... Maybe its time you step off the high horse and join the rest of us in a land called reality ! Geez.

Jason I was critical of Team Curlin not prepping on pro ride last year---I also think they BLEW it with Rachel---she would've won the Belmont by TWENTY, just like in Kentucky---but they had to OVERUSE her in a TOUGH Preakness run--I'm hoping she bounces back--She is a beautiful athlete of incredible talent--I have never seen her in person, but a trainer tells me she worked like a hole in the wind in Arkansas---the recent  50 and change work, to me, is a cause for alarm....I mean, I'm way out in SoCal, but I know some things... The Preakness took a lot out of that fine filly.....she won after doing a 46 half....compare that to her soft 1/2 in Kentucky...and the soft 1/2 she WOULD have had in NY...she wins Belmont by twenty if they skip Preakness...I wonder if Sherriffs would train for Jess Jackson.....

My apologies, Stardusty Rose.

Thought you might be interested in what was going on in reality. Won't make that mistake again.

Paula Higgins: To funny now I can't get that song out of my head.

p.s. particularly since more than one, has an issue with us.

Right Jason, maybe I'll see you at the Belmont, or not.

Wanda hope it's okay, I told Atthe, the story?

Really hope you get to see the BC, now the Belmont will be next up and pretty interesting, I hope anyway.

Draynay, Your last post was exactly what I was thinking! Now I know it's time for me to go to bed! LOL  

Draynay,

all I'll say is your favorite horse of all time had the exact type of trainer you speak of. Seems like I was highly critical of him and you just kept on saying how wonderful and harmless steroids are. Plus as I and others who are in the game pointed out there are others with repeated violations that we don't admire.

For your information, my life and land is about as real as it gets. I like Doc said, defend those who DON'T have that history. We don't so why would I like someone who makes it hard on those of us who are honest?

As far as joining you anywhere at all? God forbid, I ever have to be within a thousand miles of you.

I do wish however that I was free to be critical of those on here who are so critical of us. Like has been said.

Not sure y'all are really getting what these folks are trying to say.

Or even want to for that matter.

Just really too bad.

Oh well, most of you will have a new subject to discuss by next week, or just add this one to your political, financial and sports board commentary.

Jason I've bet against Zenyatta four times now, ans everytime I do, I'm not looking at "my horse"I bet...I'm looking at Big Z, looking to see if she won't fire---and she always does.....it's these trainers that do right by their horses, I've seen this sort of thing before, this cranky albino-looking guy named Charlie.....then there was this nervous (and cranky) New Yorker named Bobby...and now it's Sherriffs.....always thinking of their horse's well being FIRST/thus always having their horses ready-----tough to make a buck bettin against them...I hate those guys!

Jason.  Really I don't understand why people have to get so upset at their fricken moniter.  I haven't been a saint but I try to respect opinions until they become stupid.  I do understand what you mean.  I think that people just lash out on line because something else is going on.  This is Cyberspace.  :)  Some people have no clue who some of the people that read these blogs think or who they may be.  That is always something to consider.  

Looks like Tuscan Evening might steal The Gamely, don't see any reason the distance would be too far, might just be a classier horse now, we'll see.

Jason,ditto. Don't know if you seen on the other blog where I made the comment about the kittens, it applies here! Everbody got themselves tangled in a knot, but I'm sure they'll chill. (I hope).

Anyways, for the Gamely I like Lemon Chiffon and Black Mamba

Draynay always picks the horses who go wide, so I bet his picks are Dunkirk and Charitable Man.

I can't believe that no one else is upset about MERCHANT MARINE and TIZ NOW TIZ THEN sitting, idly, in the middle of Dubai instead of being here and winning stakes races!!!  Where are my TIZNOW fans?

Katsan and Atthebarn2 I want you to know that I truly respect all of you that train and care for these beautiful animals. You do what I wish I could do, in another life. The people behind the scenes are the unsung heroes and backbone of this sport. When they speak I listen- and learn. I really believe that 99% of the people involved in horse racing do their level best to care for and make decisions in the best interest of their horses. Even if someone doesn't agree with their decision, I believe that they believe they are doing right by their horses. I am not going to ever question anyone's judgement or love for their horse(s).

Atthebarn2,

It's so good to see you again!  I hope you're doing well and will be around more often.

I think taking out the defending BC Champion (on dirt) in only her fourth start makes Zenyatta a dirt champion. She is going to best Personal Ensign's record and be a two time BC Ladies Classic winner.  I doubt the connections care if she has not raced the boys, ran 6 1/2 furlongs on the turf, or faced a filly who won the Preakness.

Katsan, Racingdoc and Atthebarn2:  I get what you are saying and even though I am now only a fan - I agree!  It upsets me to see opinions stated as fact on these blogs. There is a definite difference!  A simple example, I could say Native Dancer IS the greatest racehorse ever and he only lost the Derby because his trainer did not condition him properly.  That is a statement of fact-how else would I know that unless I was there....?   Or I could say, I believe Native Dancer was one of the greatest racehorses ever and I think he may have lost the Derby because it was the third week in a row that he raced.  Now it only reflects my opinion based on a fact that took place.   We all have our opinions and it's interesting to me to read the different perspectives.  But I do notice a lot of negative comments are said as if the person has first hand knowledge, however nobody ever identifies how they came by their info (good friend of Larry Jones or Jess Jackson, etc).  I am especially irritated by all the negative comments about the people involved (Jess Jackson, etc) when I highly doubt those commenting have ever even met any of them!  Sometimes it seems to depend on how things are phrased and it seems things are definitely open for misunderstanding on here.  However, I suspect new fans to racing come on this forum and I personally feel that it makes a very bad impression to have all these negative comments being written about owners and trainers. Maybe we should all be a little more conscientious....?   P.S. I appreciate (and envy) those of you actually in the business - I truly wish I still was (raised a couple babies back in the day).  It is also really nice to be able to take part in racing in some small way by interacting on these blogs!  

I haven't been writing here as long as many of you, so I have not developed an attitude, pro or con, about Mr. Draynay, except that his posts can get mighty long at times.

I don't get the hate for Calvin. He won the Derby on a pick-up mount, but Rachel has been his darling for 6 months now; he believes she's the best horse he's ever ridden. Of course, he was going to go with Rachel whenever and wherever she ran. If Mr. Wooley wanted to wait to see if Calvin would be free for the Belmont, he had every right to do so; riders need not be named until entries are made, next week. Why all the angst?

Wow!

Things certainly have changed in my year's absence.  Been more focused on my college academics than anything else, especially over blogging on any horse racing sites.  However, I have kept up with the blogs and the articles, but my eyes have never seen such a hit as this!

Though, none of you may not remember me, I posted heavily (especially on the special racing weekends) on here, but I do remember some of the faithful, whose names I do recognize.  One in subject is the infamous Dray nay.  I find it laughable but uninteresting that he has received such passionate (and often blown-out-of-proportion) emotions waged at him, especially when he in turn counters with his own egotistical nuisance, unethical remarks, and biting words lacking tact.  After all, one can never play God (meaning as a “perfect individual who is simply THE best over everyone and at everything known to any rational being”) because, as we all can know, neither he nor any of us are God; we are, indeed, mere mortals.  So whatever exaggerated reason inclines Draynay to persistently think and conceive of the notion that he is the best to the point that he simply just convinces himself as THE best handicapper in the world, he should not be able to make any mistakes what-so-ever of any kind for any race.  Period.  But then again, he isn’t God; therefore, he is liable to make mistakes, and as we have all clearly witnessed, he made a mistake in the Kentucky Derby.  I heard about the story of the little girl picking the number 8 horse, which was Mind that Bird.  I bet, Draynay, that must have stung you when you heard that story that a young child out-handicapped you with not so much as a glance at the facts, figures, past performances, and the like that any professional uses.  If you call yourself the best and a professional handicapper, that must have been low, wasn’t it?

I can honestly say that I felt like that, but that was just in seconds after the race was run, not knowing anything about the child.  My pick in the Kentucky Derby was Friesan Fire.  Love the connections because they are honest people, and I feel an immediate connection with them because of their down-to-earth attitudes.  His pedigree looks amazing, by A. P. Indy (love the fact that he descends from Secretariat) out of a Dehere mare, so he possesses the stamina and the speed that helps him run at the true classic distances because he carries a true classic distance pedigree.  Plus, with his romp in the slop in the Louisiana Derby (G2) and with the possible chance of rain, I thought he’d be the winner.  Well, the rain did come, and the rest is history.  Friesian Fire checked in 18th.  That hurt a lot, and I will honestly say that I looked at Mine that Bird after the race and thoughts of doubt, the word “fluke,” and the loss of another Triple Crown flew around in my head furiously, even beginning to hate (in the strongest sense) the little, unknown gelding.  Eventually, I knew I had to swallow my rash and unethical judgments, feeling ashamed of my selfish behavior because I felt the same way when Giacomo won the Kentucky Derby back in 2005.  I did not want to carry a grudge of any kind after that year because I felt very bitter towards the horse and the connections, even though I didn’t even know them but only have the knowledge of them through horse racing articles and blogs.  After Mine that Bird’s amazing run, pondering over it all, reflecting and seeing some kind of parallel to Giacomo, I refused to carry a pessimistic attitude about the crown, again. And instead of being hateful (again, in the extreme sense) of the little gelding or disliking him of any kind, I made it a point to read lots on his connections and his whereabouts.  I can honestly admit that I immediately fell in love with him because of my wanting to rid of my ignorance of the little ‘Bird that could.  I rooted for him in the Preakness, am deeply proud of the fact that he has been the only one it seems to even come close to Rachel Alexandra’s tail out of all her rivals, and will continue to root for him in the Belmont and beyond.  One thing’s for sure, he does have the pedigree to go the Belmont distance, besides the fact that he is little.  Just because he is little doesn’t mean he can’t do great big things.  Often times, it is the little ones that seem to possess the heart and the fight during a homestretch battle to the finish line and come out the winner in the end, even if it is by a nose and are tired from the endeavor.  Yet they do it time and time again in every race, no matter what the competition, weather conditions, or the circumstances in the race.  They just look at their competitors in the eye and just tear them apart, even if the other carries the better talent and the better pedigree.  Kind of like the way Seabiscuit did to War Admiral in their epic match race many decades ago.

I’m a little guy type.  I dislike the big shots who can snub their noses at everyone and think they are the best because they think they can do and say whatever they want because they hold the very think that creates their big heads:  the green stuff.  That’s their ticket in messing with things and with society.  I do have mixed views on Jess Jackson (I applaud him on some issues whereas on others I disagree heartily), but his recent purchase of Rachel Alexandra and his peculiar haste in her running (and eventually winning) in the Preakness left a very foul taste in my mouth.  Nothing against Rachel Alexandra personally, it’s just I have a funny feeling about the whole matter.  The whole show that he put on (because that’s honestly how I feel the situation has become) certainly made me suspicious.  I’ll just have a wait-and-see approach at this point because  I’ve heard somewhere else (can’t honestly remember) that Jess Jackson said that she “deserves a long vacation” compared to the just “vacation” on Blood Horse.  I hope the vacation doesn’t turn out to be a permanent one because I would like to see her face off Zenyatta (not my favorite but I bow in respect to the champion of her division).  Oh well, can’t always get what you want.

But that’s beside the point.

Keep in mind, Draynay, that there are non-professional handicappers (and those just starting to learn the sport) who can easily out-handicap you.  Why, I even did all of my homework intensely (during finals week so that was very exhausting for me), and came to the conclusion that Friesan Fire was the best possible winner.  Yet, during the post parade, my own mother out-handicapped me, and she doesn’t follow the sport as passionately as I do.  She just liked the way Mine that Bird looked in the post parade, and viola!  She picked the winner.  I did that once, but I still did my homework before the race, when Artie Schiller won the Breederscup Mile in 2005.  He simply looked absolutely stunning in the post parade, with the neck arched and everything!  I still have him on tape for that year’s Breederscup.  When I saw him, I knew he would win, no matter what.  I’ve seen him run before, in the 2004 edition of the Virginia Derby in my home state, and rooted for him ever since because I wanted him and the others (Kitten’s Joy and Prince Arch) to carry the banner of Colonial Downs and impress the Graded Stakes Committee on the race track in order to convince them to upgrade our stakes races.  And well, the rest is history.  

So just because you believe and convince yourself that you are better than anyone else, you really aren’t because we all know is that we are all not perfect.  If you even think that you are higher and mightier than anyone else, I’m not thoroughly convinced enough because other people may hit the mark spot on whereas you fall off the edge of the cliff horrendously with your own blind reasoning at times.  I will admit that I do admire your spunk and enthusiasm, especially of the fact of your in-your-face nature.  Often times, people do need to be slapped in the face to get back to reality and not be so blinded by their own judgments, but we shouldn’t oppress others because of their, well, opinions because we may not like what they say or how they presented their statements.  We shouldn’t line them up against the wall, blind fold them, and shoot them to death until they cry in submission in fear.  To be quite honest, if a new fan comes along and you shoot them down with no mercy at all, then they are more liable to never come back to the sport because he may get a bad view from your jumping all over his ignorance. And honestly, we don’t want to scare off our fellow fans now do we?  Opinions are just that, not facts.  If they are facts, now there’s something to be upset about them being false or something to that extent.

From your passionate and enthusiastic posts, however harsh at times, does convince me that you are a very intelligent person and that you are not ill-educated.  Your bluntness and straightforward remarks are what this sport needs because it is lacking in honesty, and the aggressiveness you show can really get things moving =).  What I see lacking, though, are integrity and tact, other things in which the sport lacks as well.  But of course, this is merely my opinion, so please, in all fairness, do not take this too offensively and bash me because I do not hate or dislike you.  You get under my skin more often than not, but, I repeat, do not hate or dislike you.  Too, neither am I defending you nor am I encouraging you to keep saying what you say and how you say it.

I’ll let you know this much:  you are a very intelligent person but harness your intelligence where you can really make a difference in the sport.  What I’m really trying to ask is that you can talk the talk, but can you certainly walk the walk?  Maybe, if you do lose here in the blog, you should go out and do something right out in the horse racing world, like be active in doing some good for the sport.  I’m not saying what you normally do, as I don’t know you personally and your day-to-day life, but something outside of the box, out of routine, and just, well, do it.  Who knows, you might be able to put your words into practice and start something good for the sport =).  (Honestly, to you others who might care to read this, I’m not influencing Draynay to make crazy changes, just something where he can harness his energy and intellect elsewhere where he can use that and turn it into something good).  But if you don’t have the time, money, or whatever that may hinder you from doing such a noble deed, then that’s completely understandable.  Just throwing it out there for you as an opportunity to put words into action, and not just preaching to the proverbial choir.

I do enjoy the banter (though, they can get out-of-control at times) that goes on here.  But that month of peace surely seems intoxicating to me, so I’m going to challenge you Draynay.  After all, I love a challenge, just like those horses that looked their opponents in the eye and fought them tooth and nail to the finish line.  So in other words…

…BRING IT ON!!!

And good luck to you!

Jason, this is an excellent way to get more people involved.  Who knows, this may be able to spark some interest in the lack-luster fans and get them going, too.  I think there should be a challenge like this against different premiere blog commenters (that’s not even a word, but I’m using it anyway) or in other words, you can bring on guest handicappers that the commenters can challenge and see if they can win or the handicapper.  You can do it for the big racing events like Arlington Million Day and the Breederscup.  It sounds exciting!  You can also do prizes of some sort like tickets to next Triple Crown or to the Arlington Million or something like that.  I don’t know, just throwing that idea out there for you to discuss to your fellow co-workers ;).

And here’s my last tidbit:

I’m deeply happy that Tiznow is having another great success this year on the dirt, turf, and the artificial surface!!!  Hopefully, his progeny will continue to keep it up throughout the entire year =D!  For anyone of you don’t know, but Tizdejavu won an allowance race while coming off surgery and is being pointed to the Firecracker Handicap (G2) on July 4th at Churchill Downs, while Tizaqueena appears to be heading towards the Early Times Mint Julep Handicap (G3) on June 6th but am not quite sure on that one.

Hi! Anyone have any opinions on Chocolate Candy? I really like this horse.

For 2-turn races he's 8-4-2-1. When he didn't win (except for The Derby), he was still closing ground and losing by less than 2. He finished better than most of the field on a less-than-ideal surface in the Derby. A lot of Derby runners are overlooked if they didn't win the Derby.

And speaking of overlooked, I think the biggest question mark is Dunkirk. He has the breeding for distance, but he finished in the latter half of the field. He stumbled at the start and looked overwhelmed at the size of the field, probably due to inexperience and on, again, a less-than-ideal surface. Can this be excused as a bad race? I think it should. I know others are likely to say he sucks, plain and simple. But horses are not machines. He could have just had a bad day. Everyone has one. It's just that his occured on the biggest day of his life - as with 17 others.

As for Mine That Bird - they say deep closers do not win The Belmont. But what of Jazil? He crept up slowly, running just a tick faster than what he normally runs. And when it came time to run he was already in position rather than starting behind a wall of horses. Mine That Bird may have a shot if he runs The Belmont that way. Otherwise, it might be a repeat of last year's Belmont with Charitable Man playing the part of Da'Tara and Mine That Bird playing the part of Denis of Cork.

I wish there were at least 11 entries - makes for better prices.

Atthebarn2: No worries. I must carry on and there are lots of positive things to look forward to ya know?

As far as the horse goes I'm probably crazy for keeping my half but there's lots of crazy people in the racing business. I'm sorry you had a tough spring and hope you have a 2yr old that looks like a bear.

Please people chill out, show each other a little more respect and just agree to disagree. Life's to short to be angry at someone you never met.

BobbyG I agree with you about Dunkirk. He ran in the middle and did not lose any position but man did he get a lot a s*** thrown in his face. I think because he didn't back peddle out of there that he may be coming around and maturing. He was in a bad spot and couldn't go anywhere. To fall down out of the gate and lose that much ground would be hard on any horse never mind one that had as few a starts as he had going in.

I am sorry Maggie I was busy signing autographs... what did you say ?

Mike S..  Here here.  Love The Tizzes! :)

Bobby G... Here here Chocolate Candy.  Yeah I think he will do well in the Belmont.  :)

Householder... Zenyatta.  Yeah I agree :)

Racingfan... Glad you wrote that.  I sometimes get carried away and forget to put that word "believe" in my posts.  My best friend is a  lawyer and he told me that there is a really big difference with that.  Essentially when you put "I believe" this or that as opposed to "This is" makes the difference between facts and non facts.  As we all know in court, facts are all they go by.  This opinion stuff is not gonna fly at a murder trial LOL.  I try to always use the right language but the "I believe" this or that is a really good way to state things.  Thanks for reminding me about that.  :) Oh and I BELIEVE that MTB will win the Belmont. :)  One thing  to consider is that "some people" on here don't want to let anyone know who they really are and they DO have first hand knowedge.  You never know who you are really talking to.  :)

For Big Red..... I believe everything you tell me.  :)  

You too Greg J.  :)  By the way LVR is confirmed pregnent.  

Bobby G...

Don't forget Mind That Birds sire at the Belmont.  :)  

I'm really sorry Rachel isn't running in the Belmont.  Win, lose or whatever she would've added a lot by being there.  I don't really understand not running such a hugely strong and talented filly, if she is fit.  She would be no more likely to get hurt than Mine That Bird who has run the same number of races in the same weeks as she has.  Also, since the disappearance of Stardom Bound for her "rest" the statement makes me nervous.  I've asked a couple times but have not gotten a response; what is going on with Stardom Bound.  I am glad that Calvin will be there on Bird - they are great for racing.  

I still like MTB for the Belmont, and I still hope he will eventually find a jockey who is really committed to HIM.  He deserves it; he's a real nice horse.

You have to wonder if RA spoiled a potential Triple Crown for MTB....

Jason.  I believe that a couple of days ago in Alex's post, he was right about this blog. LOL.  

Draynay, your comment about signing autographs was hilarious. Whatever else can be said about you, I do love your sense of humor.

You are an object lesson in not taking comparatively minor things too seriously. :)

Draynay, by the way, for my Belmont picks I'm going to do a spreadsheet listing the top three consensus picks of every public handicapper on the 'net, sum them up and use the result as my anti-Dray picks here. Since they were all wrong in the Derby, you shouldn't have anything to worry about as far as my picks are concerned. bestsmileys.com/.../4.gif

BlueHen:

I don't think we have to "wonder". It's pretty obvious. What a waste.

TO MAGGIE: I share your joy in Tiznow's success at stud. Wonderful horse. Wonderful pedigree, and I sure want to see that tail-male sire line preserved. :)

I have to say I am still in shock that so many thing the FLUKE has a shot at winning the Belmont.  In the Derby he caught a fast pace with horses that had no real speed and in the Preakness he faced a horse with real speed and was never a factor in the race.  Yet somehow some way people seem to think this little horse with only one win ALL YEAR has a chance against horse that are fresh, rested and ready to run.  There will be no quick pace and more then one horse hanging back hoping to make a run.  The little FLUKE will tire and not hit the board. But hey! Keep thinking he will do well it just makes me winning this contest even easier.

StardustyRose: What about the sire of Summer Bird? Or Charitable Man and his undefeated record on the strip? Or the Nick Zito's Belmont bombs?

BlueHen: I think she did.

*shrugs*

No biggie.  It's just your loss, then ^_^.

Mike S, I'm still around as a Tiznow fan.  I've also been wondering where Merchant Marine and Tiz Now Tiz Then have gone.  Are they both seriously in Dubai?  It's hard to keep track of all the Tiznows.

Though, I only briefly looked over the posts, I will also concur that I honestly envy those who are part of the business.  You either have connections to the Sport of Kings and have an automatic "in" or you don't and have to fight your way into it.  Unfortunately, I can only dream to be part of the business in some fasion.  Hopefully, I might be able to find that little connection, however small it may be, and take the risk.  I don't want fame and glory; I just want to be a part of the sport and be around the horses.  As aforementioned above, I'm a little guy kind of person, so I applaud all those who work behind the scenes, who are the unsung heroes of horse racing.  You truly are the backbone of the wonderful sport that we all know well and love.  Thank you so much for your contributions to keep it going!  You are all in my thoughts and prayers everyday.

StardustyRose, you sure have that right.

Most have NO IDEA who they are talking to or DOWN TO!

Especially if you really do love the horses etc you profess to love.

I've met a few through here, knew a few before I came on the board and met a couple on my travels. A little honey....... Well, your loss if you really are a fan and even worse if you're a handicapper.

That $100 on a $2 ticket x $100 sure came in handy, as did the Oaks super.

LOL

To Greg J.

Thank you for posting the horses who so recently gave their lives.  I'm sure their connections are devastated ... yes, I'm projecting because I'm such an animal lover - cats rescued 7, dogs rescued 2, birds rescued 2 parrots - and I bought an evacuation house 2 hours inland because there's no such thing as a FEMA trailer for us if a hurricane hits the island I live on. This is all I can afford, but wish I had a rescued horse and property for it.

I am happy MTB will be ridden by Borel.  I want to see that fantastic turn of foot again - that just picking off the other horses one by one so that a blink of the eye would miss it.  

I love the fact that "nothing bothers this horse," so he doesn't waste energy getting to the starting gate.  

He's my pick for the Belmont and I'm so sorry RA, as much as I love and admire her, ruined MTB's Triple Crown.

Bobby G...  Isn't Summer Birds sire Birdstone?  :) Yeah I know.  Watch out for those birds.  They fly. :)

BlueHen...

I believe that RA did ruin the TC for MTB.  I have feelings about certain things but better left unsaid.  I just want all the horses to go back to their barns on 4 healthy sound legs.

BIGHORSEFAN.... Yeah if people only knew who was reading this blog they would be amazed.  As my friend told me anyone can be anything on the Internet.  Sometimes people that are getting bashed are people that would never get bashed if bloggers really knew who they were.  :)  My lawyer/friend has an IP tracker (as well as other things) on his system... Works really well.  :)

Greg J.  Are you having fun on Rockland?  Isn't he a cool horse to ride? :)

Greg J.  Be careful, or you will surely be the most intelligent and caring of the high fliers on this blog.  

It was tough to read the list of names of the horses who lost their lives. I sincerely want to believe the connections were confident their horses were sound, rested, and ready to run. I also hope the jockeys took care for their own safety and the horses' as best they could.

Still, human error is at least, possible.  Horse racing is not a video game.

I wonder if back in the day, breakdowns were as prevalent as they appear to be today.

One point I am fairly sure of is horse racing is still here because of the thrill of the horse.  At least, I hope so.

On a lighter note, sometimes Draynay is a crackup and what a wit.

Yes, MERCHANT MARINE and TIZ NOW TIZ THEN are both just sitting around, in Dubai, doing nothing. MERCHANT MARINE never ran a truly good race anywhere but Belmont Park (all 5 wins coming at that track). You should have watched his Dubai race earlier this year. He started in 12th place, stayed there the whole way, never ran a step, and finished 12th by 40 lengths! Shadwell decided it would be "good" to leave him in Dubai all year and come back for next year's races there. What a waste! He should be at Belmont, racing, not languishing in the heat!

I have no clue what the folks who run Zabeel Racing are thinking, regarding TIZ NOW TIZ THEN, but that horse is also just "lost in the desert."

I just hate it when good horses get wasted in this fashion.

Draynay: You must educate yourself on your comments. When you say a horse is never a factor in a race that means he ran nowhere. On the other hand when a horse gets beat a length for it all he certainly is a factor. Comments like " just missed" are more accurate. You do a disservice to people that come on here to learn more about racing.

Draynay, I think you're point that some horses come to the Belmont rested is a really good one. It could be the deciding factor. That's why I like Charitable Man. But my heart is still with MTB and I am hoping that big heart and late kick will carry him through.

Merrywriter, love it that you rescued all those animals/birds. A special place in heaven for you.

Merrywriter,

   Your quite welcome...

Jason& Everyone,

   I encourage you to put "Zensational" in your Virtual Stable, if you don't already, This horse is something special, Pure Speed!, Won last night at Hollywood Park, The times,

21.53, 43.60, 1:08.07, 1:14.42 (6 1/2 F Race),  "Zensational" from Unbridled's Song / Joke.  Four starts, 2 Wins, 1 Second, Sold for $ 700,000 in 2006. A late bloomer for a three year old, I am telling you, watch this horse, Breeder's Cup?, Here is the race from last Night, Enjoy, Pure Speed:

www.youtube.com/watch

  There sure are alot of Decent Races today...

    Draynay, Are any of these possible Winners, lol:

   Lemon Chiffon in the Gamely (Like Jason said, tough race to call, anyone could win it).                               Magical Affair/Gozzip Girl/Fast Tigress in Sands Point Stakes at Belmont.   Whistlejacket/Burgee/Newport at Delaware Park Race 6.  

Affirmed Truth/Perfect for You/Walloon at Churchill Downs in the Dogwood Stakes.

Should be a fun and hopefully safe day at all the Tracks....

Mike S..

You gotta be kidding me.  WOW

Bobby G.  Love Chocolate Candy.  Thought he ran well but reportedly hated the goo.  He will be a factor.  Smart trainer skipped the Preakness.  Bred to run 2 miles.  He needs a little pace.

Tiznow fans.  What's going on with Well Armed.  Loved and touted this one.  I thought he had the Pacific Classic at double digit odds.  I was crushed when he ran the BC Mile instead of taking on Curlin. With a void in the Handicapping ranks seems like an early logical choice for HOY behind the two ladies with a good Summer/Fall campaign.

Freetex:  Breakdowns are truly a tragic thing in racing!  A partial answer to your question (I do not have percentages which is why I can't state if it is greater now) is that YES breakdowns have always happened as far as I can tell.  I have some racing info that goes all the way back to the beginning of the 1900's and a lot that goes back to 1952.  Reading through it, there are fairly regular accounts of injuries-some life threatening and some career ending.  I was actually surprised when I started reading all this since so many people are forever commenting that "todays" racehorse is unsound.  It leads me to believe that that may not be the case.  There are 4-5 times as many horses born each year now then there were back then.  So even if the percentages are the same, there would still be many more injuries today due to the additional horses.  Also with all the media today, injuries get much more attention, especially in the big races.  However, A LOT of steps have been taken to try to enhance the safety these days and that is a great thing!

Householder,

    Any horse can run one race on dirt and look fantastic, that is why Zen needs to run more than once. Brownie Points also beat the champ, is she recognized as a great dirt horse too? If she is so much better on dirt why not race her on it? It makes sence, especially in the overall safety. If your running over a surface you supposedly don't like your more likely to injure yourself, because your straining to run correctly. Whereas if your on a surface you like you can run naturally and don't have to put on any unatrual strain. So why not run her on dirt, if she likes it i don't see why you wouldn't let her run over it.

Paula I understand your desire to cheer on the FLUKE but he is a tired horse and wants no part of 1 1/2. I see him at a distant 4th or 5th.

What I heard while at the morning workouts at Santa Anita back in April was that WELL ARMED went to Vladimir Cerin's place for a while for some of that hyperbaric chamber stuff. Then he was supposed to have a little vacation at Winstar Farm before coming back to training. I think they are following the same program they followed last year, actually. Supposedly, they want him ready for the San Diego Handicap at Del Mar...so we should see some workouts soon, hopefully.

I really could see WELL ARMED just blitzkrieging the field in the Jockey Club Gold Cup. I think he's better on dirt than on synthetic, though he's excellent on synthetic as well.

Racingfan & Freetex,

    Not to be a downer(I don't mean to be!), But Yes, Breakdowns are a tragic part of this sport, and if you follow this sport, you should be educated on all aspects of it.  Steps are being made to "try" to raise the safety level of both, The Jockeys and the Horses, But they are still light years away from getting to the point they should be at.  As far as the statistics on fatalities, Racingfan, in the absence of a national governing body for horse racing, there is no reliable record of the number of deaths and injuries across the country. When Congress started to look into this, Mostly from the tragic loss of both Barbaro and Eight Belles(Both very High profile cases, Which, in its own right is sad, Breakdowns happen almost every week, and mostly go un-noticed).  This is from a study last year:

2003-2008:

-  3,035 thoroughbreds, standardbreds and quarter horses have died at racing facilities, but not all of them on the track or in racing-related accidents.

-2,427,561 starters, and the number of deaths amounted to .125 percent.

-New York State Racing and Wagering Board broke down the 637 horse deaths on its harness and thoroughbred tracks over the five-year period: 388 occurred on the track, 60 occurred in training and 189 were non-racing-related deaths that occurred in the backstretch.

-The 388 deaths that occurred while racing are out of a total of 521,703 starters (.07 percent).

-In Kentucky, where medication rules are far more lenient than in other states, there were 208 deaths out of 114,668 starters, or .181 percent, the Kentucky Horse Racing Authority said.

-In California(2000-2005), 303 fatalities.

-In Illinois(2001-2007), 366 fatalities.

   This was said by Ed Martin(who compiled the data), “There’s no historical perspective to put them in,” he said. “Some people say things have gotten worse, others say they have gotten better. Right now, it’s largely anecdotal. We’re as curious as Congress about the magnitude of the problem, and support their efforts. We’d like to see a large-scale research project into catastrophic injuries funded as well.”

   These Stats go on and on, but I believe I have given you a snap shot of the numbers.  Yes, If you step back, It is a low percentage of deaths related to how many starts, but, it still has lots of room for improvement.

   Because horse racing lacks a national governing body, death and injury data on a broader scale is notoriously scant, although studies estimate that horses suffer lethal breakdowns an average of 1.5 times in every 1,000 starts. That might sound tolerable, but it's too often for horsemen, who are fond of saying that one dead horse is too many.

    I am not naive, Whenever you have 8-15 horses running inches away from each other, weighing over a thousand pounds each, going 35 MPH, Yes, you are going to have injuries and Deaths.  The question is, What can be done to bring these numbers down?

   Synthetic surfaces have delivered indisputably positive results, but they're just the most obvious, readily fixable component of a complex problem that extends to breeding, medication and training. There are many wonderful aspects about the horse business but there are also many negatives in the industry such as inbreeding, over-breeding, oversupply, operations on young foals which are not required to be divulged, bribing at auctions and most importantly, the complete lack of uniformity on numerous issues. Breeding is an especially thorny issue. The lucrative, unregulated business for years has favored speed over durability, which many theorize could cause a weakening of the breed across generations. Horses foaled in 1965 averaged 34.76 starts and raced for 3.37 years, versus respective figures of 16.85 starts and 2.64 years for horses foaled in 2000.

   Genetics has to be involved, although there is not a lot of proof yet, But  certain stallions that aren't durable or their progeny aren't durable, and some of them are the highest priced and most desirable ones. Horses like Barbaro and Eight Belles(and many others) are dying or otherwise breaking down. Some of the brightest minds in the business are struggling to explain why.

   It's a serious multifactorial problem, It's very frustrating trying to figure out a way to address this issue, it is not cut and dry or simple , in the least It's bewildering. But, With a concerted effort, hopefully, something will come of it.  

Draynay, was that with your one eye? :)

Racingfan:  Thank you for your thoughts.  Good points and make sense.

I can see Well Armed in the East, for that matter what's up with Col John/his stablemate??.....he also may just prefer dirt...I'm agreein' with a lot of you about Birdstone in the Belmont--I like Summer Bird, although deep closers rarely get the $$ in the Belmont....I'd love to see Russel The Muscle get up on Choc Candy! But Jason, The Belmont not having the casual fan this year aside, I'm NOT a casual fan, and I think The Belmont itself has become somewhat underwhelming, so to speak--I believe 1 1/2 mi on dirt has passed racing by--otherwise why no more races at that distance?? But do I EVER love to play it for that very reason!.....Fly birdie fly! Summer Bird's my Belmont pick....

Watch out sweet terchi when I decide to open both eyes your in real trouble.  Matthew W... you pick is Summer Bird...hahahahaha you are a funny guy what other jokes do you know?

Matthew W.,

    I respectively disagree with you on the Belmont, It needs to be at that Mile and a half, You have to have the same race throughout history for the Triple Crown to matter, or if they ever changed the distance, The next Horse to win the Triple Crown would have an asterisk next to it.  

     But, I agree with you on Summer Bird!, I love both Bird's in this Race, Cannot wait for the call down the Stretch, "The Bird's are Flying down the stretch", lol...

Well Draynay, I know your prepared:

#1  propeller hat

#2  lucky rabbit foot

#3  swami hat

#4  crystal ball

#5  dart board &

#6  lucky penny (for heads or tails)

good luck!! :)

What exactly is the thinking of sending the horses to Dubai? International exposure? They already get international exposure running here in the USA. At least I think so. After reading how Curlin was treated after his race over there, I could almost hear the disappointment in Asmussen's account of how things turned out.(earlier article in BH). Not to mention the exhaustion of the horse after a long flight, then quarentined. If we suffer jet lag, I can only imagine for them. So yes it does bother me that they are sent over there to "rot".

GregJ. do you think some medicines could be responsible? When you consider long time use or even short time, what is really the effect? Sometimes I think they don't want to even want look in that direction. It may not be relevant, but look at what happened to the polo ponies in Florida, and then I wonder what is going into these drugs, herbs and supplements.

GregJ...I agree that the Belmont should stay as it is (I disagree with Lukas, I think the TC is fine as is). But the Belmont has been run at many different distances over time. 1867-73 1 5/8 miles; 1890-92,1895&1904-05 1 1/4 m; 1893-94 1 1/8; 1896-1903,1906-25 1 3/8 miles (Sir Barton won during this time, also Man O'War). It has also been held at several different tracks (Belmont Park wasn't built until 1905), including Jerome Park, Morris Park and Aqueduct. It wasn't run in 1911 or 1912. The Preakness has had many changes as well and even the Derby used to be a mile and a half(1875-95). I hope I could tell you something new...I have learned stuff from some of your posts. :)

LDP...I have a question for you. I am curious about your logic. You say that Zenyatta hasn't "proven" herself on dirt because she only raced on dirt once. You say that she can't prove anything if she only does it once. But haven't you also said that Rachel A has "nothing to prove" because she has beaten the boys already? She has only beaten boys once. How is RA "proven" and Zenyatta isn't?

sweet terchi maybe you better check out my myspace page and see how I roll baby !!! lol...

WOW I read these blogs once a week at night, I am retired horseman, but I do have another life. This blog has become ludicrist, Draynay or whom ever you are one comical dude, they haven,t figured it out yet that no responce is the best responce to you, You throw out a little bait and hear they come with vengance, hook, line and sinker, Blog will definetly lose its intensity without you, not that I agree with you in a lot of cases, I find the banter comical at best.Better use MTB, stretch runners aren,t necessarily the best bet in Belont, race has been won by a lot horse on the lead or close to the pace, horse don't always win coming from way back,win be slow run early fractions here and they won't be backing up so much as last two races.Good luck everyone can.t wait to read all the action.

barb,

    I'm not sure exacly where i said RA has nothing left to prove by beating boys once, cause i don't believe that at all. Maybe i went on one of my rampages and forgot what i was typing, but is still believe she has more to prove against the boys. I'd like to see her win the Haskel, actually, the reason being is because if i'm correct it gives her a longer break, and i think the dist is more in her favor. Next i'd want her to go in the something like the JCGC. If she wins the haskel i believe she's proven herself against three year old boys, that is why i'd run her in the Gold Cup, because the next step up for the boys is older horses. I would love to see her beat Einstien, because he in my eyes is frontrunner for HOTY honors, and her beating him would place her in front. Zen can race whomever she wishes, as long as it's not some little over matched field. I'd love her to run in the Go For Wand. If she won that i'd say she great on dirt to. But if Einstein continues on the roll he's on, then she's got to beat him, as does RA if they want HOTY.

Ragsy, you're welcome.  The race was uncharasteristic for Rachel to be that fast that early and to win by that low of a margin.  Big Drama did what he was meant to in the Preakness, push her outside and make her run fast early on.  

RacingFan, I don't remember which interview it was, but Jackson said that she came out of the Preakness very tired.  It was before they made the annoucement that she definitely was out of the Belmont.  I believe the article was on Bloodhorse, but it could've been ESPN or ntra.com as well, since I also read those sites.  Calvin had been saying it since the Preakness that she was a very tired horse.  Jackson was using it as the way to hint that she would not run the Belmont and again essentially said that when he made the official announcement that she was out.  She had come back quickly, which was amazing, and she ran her heart out on a track surface she was not fond of against the boys to beat some of the best 3 year olds right now.  She has nothing to prove right now and if she would have lost against the boys in the Belmont, her HOY title would've been in jeopardy.  As it is, Jackson knows what she needs to do to win the title.  She needs to continue to beat the fillies, she needs to face Stardom Bound, she needs to face Zenyatta and she needs to run in the Breeders Cup regardless of his feelings for the surface.  Otherwise, she'll lose HOY to an older horse, possibly Zenyatta.

Greg J.

Thanks for your feedback on Charitable Man. I think your spot on. His Peter Pan win was impressive and him being stationed at Belmont with no travel worries will be paramount for him.  He will be in my top three along with Mine that Bird but I have yet to close in on a third. I know you like Summer Bird also. What is your logic for liking him. I'm trying to get all the info I can on all of these horses so your feedback is of great value. Thanks for that. By the way regarding our boy, Fire, I knew in my gut that he was coming back to soon after the beating he took in the Derby.  I have to question Larry on that one too and I pray he comes back in fine form.  He was too impressive of a horse to run like he did and something NOT be wrong in his last race.  Hope he comes back to walk the dog on them later this year. Also thanks for your stats on breakdowns and safty.  I fear this is an issue that will never be truley resolved.  In my opinion I beleive it begins with breeding and genes. I only say this because of the horses I breed. No matter what anyone says (trust me I'm a stickler to this) I stay away from imbreeding for at least three or more generations because I find these horses of this procedure are more healthy from there feet to there bones to there minds.

But just like you say, there is so much more that has to be looked into when it comes to improving the stats of mortality in horse-racing.

Draynay....uh.. no thanks. I'll admit that I am probably the only person on this planet who has zero intrest in people's face, book or space thingies. My own life keeps me very well entertained.

Greg J. I agree with Barb in that you are well informed. You might consider being one of the guest bloggers if Jason gets that going.

Barb,

    Thanks once again, On the Different lengths of the Belmont and the Years!, I too have learned from yourself and a few others here, Great source of knowledge and insight!(And NO, I am not including Dray in that statement, lol...)...

   Maybe I should have said, Keeping the Belmont at the Mile and a Half needs to be, SO when history is judged, their are no asterisks or questions regarding different distances.(Of the eleven Triple Crown winners, I believe, Only one of the Eleven were at a different distance in the Belmont, 1919 with Sir Barton, 1 3/8 distance).  

Thanks Again...

Congratulations Jason!! Your idea has flushed out 2 more of draynay's multiple personalities. We now have Dave the Draynay Fan and draynays better half to go along with Mike Relva and of course the "home" personality draynay. I wonder how many more he has hidden in the dark caverns of his mind.

I really hope The Belmont has a day like today! Dry and not too warm - 72F and breezy! Beautiful!

Just read Steve Haskins report and I agree that for such a long grueling race  the majority of the horses aren't working more than 5f. Chocolate Candy C went for 7f. I sure hope we don't see a lot of wheezing in the stretch trying to make it home, Laz Barrera galloped Bold Forbes for almost 2 miles every day to build stamina, and look at the result.

MTB is one of my picks, with Calvin in the saddle his belief and energy will have a big influence on MTB. Horses pick up on that as many of you out there are aware.  I just hope the race is run cleanly, and in a fair and just manner for all

Sweet Terchi... Calvin is not a Belmont rider he is a Churchill specialist.  He has no advantage at this course or in this race.  The pace will not set him up for his run and he will never pass Dunkirk so don't bet your allowance on the Fluke for the win.  He hasn't won a race all year on fast dirt and there is no reason to believe he will start when running against a horse like Charitable Man who is undefeated at the track.  After the race Borel will be telling everyone who will listen that the Fluke didn't like the surface.....I guarantee it.

Dray,

   Can you at least go on the record on this, Let's say Mine that Bird Wins the Belmont(Yes, I know, It will never happen, according to you), Can you promise us all that you will not use a lame excuse of, "Well, The "Fluke" won only because Rachel wasn't in it, If she was in, She would have easily beat the "Fluke"", Can you at least go on the record saying you won't use that excuse???

Draynay, ye of no faith, it doesn't matter to me what track they will be on, when there's chemistry, there's chemistry!!!

Greg J. I promise no excuses no matter what. If the Fluke wins he is no longer a fluke but until he wins another race Greg he is the FLUKE winner of the Derby like it or not. But mark my words the Fluke cannot beat Charitable Man or Dunkirk on a dry track.  Don't expect lightning to strike twice in the same spot. Dunkirk can beat the Fluke 9 times out of 10 on a dry track.  So you better head to a wishing well and hope for rain. The Fluke will not win the Belmont.

Sweet T... ye of little faith? I think you and others need to look at Charitable Man and his races before he was hurt.  This was a fantastic young horse with wins at Saratoga and Belmont. He is back now and his dad did a pretty good job in the Belmont so I think you better wake up and smell the roses.  The Fluke really has no shot against him in a race he was built for.

Draynay, you seem a little obsessed with MTB. You can't seem to stop posting about him.

Greg J - I agree that the safety issue is not solved and I did not state that it is.  But from reading hundreds of pages of historical information, I can see that there are a lot of definite improvements.  My point was simply to answer the question asked of whether breakdowns are a new thing and they definitely are not.  Also, in regard to the lower number of starts per runner....Yes it is much less today for the high profile runners.  However many a claimer and allowance runner are retiring with a good many races under their belts.  I have found no proof yet that less starts is due to unsoundness - more like over cautiousness and breeding money for retiring early.  In fact in a recent article I read, a high profile person in the industry basically stated just that as well. We don't really know if all these horses being raced 4-5-6 times a year would be capable of more because they are not being trained for it or asked for more.  We also don't know how many more races a retired sound 3 year old would have been able to run.  If it isn't being tried we really can't know what the result would be.  Today's top horses seem to have very carefully orchestrated campaigns that even sometimes seem to include avoiding the toughest competition.  As a result, I don't really buy into the "today's horse is unsound or weaker" than the past.  I also find it interesting that in reading accounts from the early 1900's they were saying the same things then about breeders "breeding for speed only".      

Haha lol!

That's a good one Sweet Terchi!  And a very good point indeed...  It seems our fellow commenter probably lost quite a bit of loot because of the Derby and has an anger-complex about it...  But I'm just going on a hunch on this one ;).  

Greg J, you make excellent points.  I also agree that the artificial surfaces are only just a temporary solution to the big problem of the major breakdowns in thoroughbreds.  After all, they still get injuries, and I do recall breakdowns occurring on the tracks out at southern California (though, I cannot remember where - Santa Anita maybe? - and when I actually read that article, but I remember reading about it).  Just because they do prevent the large number of catastrophic breakdowns doesn't mean they are particularly the best solution to the whole problem.  When Santa Anita had problems with their artificial surface, I wondered whether it was because the synthetics couldn't hold up with the different climate.  The European climate is much different than in the southern California area, and they spent a lot of money on a supposedly "less-maintenance" or a “maintenance-free” surface.

The breeding and race day medications, legal and illegal, also may contribute to the increasing fragility of the thoroughbred.  I've always stated that America over-emphasizes speed over anything else because it brings in money quickly, and look what has corrupted the weak breed; the thoroughbred is just a thing of speed for the greedy, and lasts but so long.  It's just a tool to reel in the big bucks and the constant continuation of more of them entering into the breeding shed.  Medications are used to just be a quick fix for the horses.  It's terrible to know that most of these animals train and race with pain-medications, even though they are running with some kind of pain or small injury.

That's why I support those trainers, owners, and anyone else involved with their horses who are down-to-earth, honest people who care deeply for their horses and hold a great deal of integrity, indeed.

And that's why I support those stallions that, I believe, to be underrated because they are true classic distance sires.  Though, I'm not going into something more extensive but please correct my knowledge on this, Dynaformer seems to fit the prime example of a better stallion than most that are out there.  For one, he has produced hardy runners in Perfect Drift, Film Maker and Riskaverse (these mares that I had the pleasure to see race), and McDynamo as well as others, with the exception being the tragedy of Barbaro.  There isn't any in-breeding for four generations, but once you get to the fifth, you do see some repeated names, such as Nearco, Blue Larkspur, and Hyperion.  Plus, his offspring run on turf and dirt (I don't know about the synthetics, but probably yes) and they can run at the classic distances.   He also ran during a time when racing medications were just introduced as legal substances (just look at the year after his birth in the 1986 Kentucky Derby race chart www.kentuckyderby.com/.../1986.pdf ) so there might be a good chance where he didn't race on them.  Of course, I'm not quite sure because I don't possess the resources to find his other races and the charts to see any medication equipment listed.  He isn't the typical miler/ sprinter stallion that seems to somehow produce classic runners (most likely because their offspring just have an over-emphasis on speed and very little stamina and just outrun the others with outrageous times).  He's a true classic distance sire with the true classic distance pedigree.  Another stallion I like, even though he more than likely raced with medications in his system (with simple evidence from his 2000 Breederscup Classic triumph chart www.breederscup.com/content.aspx ) is Tiznow.  This might be biased of me, but I love him because he ran at classic distances and was a fighter.  What I believe is another underrated stallion, he's produced progeny that run well on the dirt, turf, and the synthetics, and they can run at all distances, including the classic distances.  They appear to be hardy animals, as well, and carry the same kind of fighting spirit as his sire.  Now, his sire Cee's Tizzy (b. 1987) probably did not race on medications (and this is only an assumption due in large part that he didn't accomplish much on the race track but I don't have the resources to prove this assumption so correct me if I'm wrong) so we are only talking about Tiznow being the first generation on race day medications.  The offspring that run now and have run in the past are only the second, so we are looking at a better chance with Tiznow than those sires who are a second or third generation of race day medications.

One thing is for sure, I’m definitely looking forward to the Belmont this Saturday.  I’m rooting for Mine that Bird sentimentally, but I’m not going to forget that Dunkirk, Summer Bird, Charitable Man, and Chocolate Candy should be placed somewhere in the exotics.  What’s so funny is that my mom is going to bet on a long shot, which is probably going to be Mr. Hot Stuff, Brave Victory, Flying Private, Luv Gov, and Miner’s Escape.  I’d like to post my picks for the Belmont Stakes early but I always post them late Friday night to (very) early Saturday morning, with explanations on each horse.  Literally, I delve into the racing history/ pedigree/ connections and their history of each horse as well as their workouts (this is an intense amount of homework!) so that’s why I post it so late.  I did it this way for the Travers last year and won with my pick in Colonel John.  I’m still new at this but I like to keep trying because it’s a worthwhile challenge ^_^.  It helps me to research more thoroughly and be more determined to get the best results as much as possible.  Practice make perfect.  Plus, I enjoy it!

Great! Now Dray is on Charitable Man. The poor horse is doomed now.  Gosh darn you to heck, Dray!!!!!! Now the race is going to fall apart!

Longshot anyone?

Greg J.,

Your thoughts on Summer Bird.....

Sweet T... I can't wait until  

is over and we don't have to talk about the Fluke anymore. He caught a weak field in the mud and won a race good for him.  His 15 minutes is up.

Charitable Man and Quality Road will have no problem reminding him he is not one of the top 3 year old horses when others are healthy.

Horswld,

   Hello there, My thoughts on "Summer Bird", Umm, Where to begin.  First I love the fact that his trainer, Tim Ice, Brought him to Belmont on May 19 to get used to the "Big Sandy" track.  His first work at Belmont(Seven furlongs in 1:26.47 breezing, May 23), Tim said that he didn't take to the track too well.  So, after that he added toe grabs behind(For better traction) and added Blinkers, to keep him focused.  His next work was Five furlongs in 1:01.89 breezing, Tim said the combo of the toe grabs and blinkers worked wonders and that he now loves the surface.  He is a big horse, coming into his own, late bloomer, has the pedigree for distance(Birdstone/Hong Kong Squall). By all acoounts, he looks great, happy, has filled out nicely.  His Derby performance, while 6th, was still impressive being only his fourth start, he did have to go seven wide, so finishing sixth is still impressive(IMO). His third in the Arkansas Derby was equally impressive.  I think he is coming into his own and I think the Belmont could be a huge stepping stone for him. If you put alot of stock in Beyers(Which personnally, isn't at the top of my list as far as handicapping!). His races, from his first to latest, 65, 78, 99, and a 86 in the Derby.  I still don't know where I will put him, But one thing is for sure, He will be in my top three, and who knows, maybe by Saturday he will be my winner!  I love the fact that they are going with Kent Desormeaux.  He is an experienced jockey at Belmont, he knows the track inside and out, he has gotten to work "Summer Bird"(which I take alot of stock in, I love when jockeys get to know the slight nuances of a horse, rather then jumping on one for the first time before a race).

   So, with all that said, That is why I love this guy, "Summer Bird"...

Greg J.  you are so right !  I can see it now Summer Bird and the Fluke sitting back and waiting for all the other horse to tire and then unleashing their awesome late running kicks and the Fluke and Summer Bird running right past Charitable Man and Dunkirk.  Lol... how dumb does that sound if you say it out loud? Summer Bird ? Has he won a race all year ? Summer Bird ? Geez.

Well, Dray if MTB's 15 mins were already up,  you are giving him more time which he richly deserves. As for bad mouthing him, say what you want, he's one of my picks, not changing, Y PUNTO!! which means PERIOD! but it has much more flair!!  :)

DRAYNAY??? What is a DRAYNAY? I was curious as to any meaning behind this name and am new to reading this blog so I may be going over territory previously covered here by long time bloggers to this site. Anyway, on searching the net I came up with DRAYNAY, spelled differently in the WarCraft game scenario. WE are reading someone who has a phony name and perceives himself to be a WARRIOR???? Mr Dray or Mr Nay or whatever cloak name of mystery you prefer to hide yourself behind, can you come out and clue us in on your name choice? And PARDON me if this has already been done, my liege.

I really like MHS. If everything comes togeather i think he'll do very well. If i could bet i would box MHS CM and Dunkirk.

Dray,

    Stick to you "Chalk" picks Dray!, Anyone can pick the favorites.

    The Belmont(In recent History), In the past 10 years, the Belmont has been won by Lemon Drop Kid at 29-1, Commendable 18-1, Sarava 70-1, Birdstone 36-1 and Da'Tara 38-1.  The Favorites that lost: Charismatic at 8-5, Aptitude 8-5, War Emblem 6-5, Funny Cide even money, Smarty Jones 1-3, Curlin 6-5 and Big Brown 1-3.  Only TWO Favorites have won in the last ten years, Point Given and Afleet Alex, both at 6-5.

   So, Dray, I know thinking outside of the box is tough for you, but go right ahead, not a worry in my mind, Putting my picks up against yours....

Maggie, Del Mar was one of the tracks. Nobody could figure out why, but it seemed the problem got worse overnight and all the horses were running on toothpicks. The artificial one was put in quicker than planned because of the outrage. Still had some breakdowns, but not as bad as the previous season. I've always wondered about the effect of meds (legal or illegal) on horses, but it seems the industry doesn't want to address that issue.

Greg J... call me crazy but the Fluke has not won a race on dry dirt all year and has never run at Belmont.  Charitable Man is undefeated at Belmont and his dad did pretty good at Belmont too.  People are betting a Fluke Derby winner who has done nothing else all year.  Good luck to you but make sure you come back and tell me how your money bet on the Fluke turned out.  KenfromRI ... My screen name is Draynay because its the combination of my first and last name.  Unlike many on this blog I am willing to let everyone know who I am.  I do not hide behind a screen name.

Dray, anything is possible, right? Impossibilities do occur, right? And who won the KD, and was closing fast in the P?   BTW, how come you didn't invite Ken fromRI to your space dot so he can get to know you better?

(Also in a earlier post I purposely put "no faith", left out the "little" for you. :) :)

So sir, what is your real name? Drayton Naysay or something like that? What state do you hail from? Actually, I agree with you re Charitable Man, he is my pick too. I posted that before you did, I believe, sometime last week. You sure you aren't copying me? Although I think you are very high on Dunkirk...my jury is still out on him. He disappointed me badly in the Derby. Maybe it was the slop but we will find out what he is made of come this Saturday. We know MTB will get the distance but we can't say that re Dunkirk. Breeding is a good indicator but its not infallible. As we all know, horses sometimes run better than their pedigree might indicate or worse than it might indicate. You aren't one of those "types" that refuses to believe what his/her eyes tell them on the track and stick foolishly, come hell or high-water re the pedigree? Musket Man...did you feel he wouldnt get the distance in the Derby?

Dray,

   Dray, You are "Crazy", There, got that out of the way, lol...

    Umm, I think Mine that Bird's Dad did O.K. at Belmont too Dray...

   I also want EVERYONE to read Dray's quote over on Adam's Blog from May 29:

   "It was nothing less than a FREAK who won the Derby. A FREAK A FREAK A FREAK. Watch what Dunkirk does to THE FREAK on a fast dirt track at Belmont then come back and tell me what you think. If THE FREAK beats Dunkirk I will put on a dress and wear it to the Breeders Cup where Zenyatta will get crushed by RA by 10 lengths!!"

     So there are the eloquent words of a legend in his own Mind, Draynay...Just three days ago it was Dunkirk, Now it is Charitable Man, By Saturday it could be "Luv Gov", lol...

Anyone who can take Rachel over Zenyatta on synthetic after seeing her last race loses all credibility in my eyes. NEVER use the word never or be soooo self assured in this game of racing. We are all only giving our best guesses subject to all kinds of quirks that can happen on race day. Something could be physically wrong with a horse that may be relatively minor in the big picture but major on that particular race day. So Draynay or anyone else who likes to BOAST or shoot off at the mouth with a degree of CERTAINTY is only fooling himself and usually fooling himself more than he can fool others listening to AIR of SELF Assuredness.  

I take no offense in whatever Dray calls the horses.

Freak.... in today's slang it means sensational.

Fluke.... it's a synonym for luck, the force that operates for the good.

We're lucky that MTB's connections entered him in the KD, if they hadn't we would not have seen a sensational winner!

There is no question that I have had Charitable Man on top but I also think Dunkirk will be rested and tough and will make up my exacta box. Its a long tough race but the Big Three ... Dunkirk, CM and CC are clearly the best here. Sweet T... if someone wants to look me up at my space page its not hard to find.

Dray, oh. tells you how much I know about those things. I thought one had to be invited. So.......... you never did answer one of my earlier question's.  After we win, what will you be up to with your lonesome self for 30 days?

KenfromRI ... you are new here so I am going to be gentle but you need to know I am rarely wrong and when I am its not my fault its the horses.

So that you are aware how things work around here let me make it simple for you... Draynay = expert.

Sweet T... I have no worries about losing to mere rookies but should something crazy happen I will spend the time training my new miniature schnauzer BETSY !!!

Okay Draynay, I'll bite, give me a clue. My computer guru is out of state. Where on MySpace are you?

Draynay, Nooooooooooooo...... poor Betsy!! Hire a real trainer! Spend more time with your better half!!! Dogdom does not need a Betsynay!! :) :) :)

To Greg J:

I agree. Summer Bird looks good to me too.  I can't believe he placed so well in the Kentucky Derby with all the mess and being so lightly raced at three.

I have always liked Dunkirk, but he hasn't fared too well, especially against the likes of Quality Road.  Not sure if Dunkirk has an extra gear.

Lol.. Sweet T.. I already have 3 others... Roxy, Daisy, and Sugar B Sparkles.

Dray....NOOOOOOOOOOOO! Well if you have some furry's a bit of you is redeemable! :) :) :)

Draynay, be truthful, why did you take MTB's papers?

So your last name is NAY, thought that was just your naysayer attitude or is it in draeneian?

I'm not a WOW player so I don't know.

Sweet terchi, like my buddy said on the other blog, he's probably submitting a request for a name change to the Jockey Club. His guess was Fluke or MIne That Fluke.

My guess is he'll resurface in New Mexico with Draynay training him and his name will be Draynay's Dream. Dray will be grinning from ear to ear that he finally found a horse he could actually win money with.

Lol... nope I go for BMW !  Who robs a 9 year old pick up truck ?

Gentle with me? I would think that is the only way a man who owns minny schnauzers can be...GENTLE!!! TOO FUNNY!!! So you are seldom wrong and when you are its the horses fault...ah...I see...sounds like quite an EEEEGGGGOOOO going on here.

Just checked out your myspace site. Too funny! I will say this, you do have style if those things are true there. You really should have come up with a bit more creative drink name though. It is kinda in your face. Of course, it is amazing what one can do with software these days and not that hard to make oneself appear as something/someone that they are not.

BIGHORSEFAN, as I posted earlier on the name thing, according to my view, that would be just fine!!

Dray, getting down to the wire, have everything to make your choices? Darts, hats etc.?

"But mark my words the Fluke cannot beat Charitable Man or Dunkirk on a dry track.  Don't expect lightning to strike twice in the same spot. Dunkirk can beat the Fluke 9 times out of 10 on a dry track".  

draynay 01 Jun 2009 8:14 PM

This is what I live with. In one breath he says that cute little warrior can't beat Dunkirk on a dry track and the next time he exhales he says it can be done

(only 9 out of 10 times Dunkirk would win). Oh lord, give me strenghth!!

They say an owner and their dogs look similar. In draynays case they sound alike too. Yap, yap, yap, yap!! Seriously draynay mimi-weiner dogs?

Greg great post your right belmont is a beast and is usually one by a bomber! You forgot to add jazil who was 10-1 in the belmont. Looking at this crop I would give summer bird a really good chance to win and same with flying private he has been getting better and better, Dunkirk is a joke

Sweet T ... I don't want to give you all my secrets but I use the Draynay 6 furlong angle most of the time. A horses abilities at 6 furlongs is what I look at most. Second thing I do is consider pace and judge if there is real speed in the race.  Next I look at who appears fit coming into the race.  Charitable Man looks to be the one to beat but remember Dunkirk is very talented and will not be hampered by an off track this time.  Dunkirk is going to be the wild card here.  He is rested and will be very tough.

FYI,

   Belmont PP's & Odds:

1. Chocolate Candy, G. Gomez, 10-1

2. Dunkirk, J. Velazquez, 4-1

3. Mr. Hot Stuff, E. Prado, 15-1

4. Summer Bird, K. Desormeaux, 12-1

5. Luv Gov, M. Mena, 20-1

6. Charitable Man, A. Garcia, 3-1

7. Mine That Bird, C. Borel, 2-1

8. Flying Private, J.Leparoux, 12-1

9. Miner’s Escape, J.Lezcano, 15-1

10. Brave Victory, R. Maragh, 15-1

Remember Everyone, It is Us Versus Draynay, Take you time making your Picks!, A lot is at stake...

Greg... I own all of you !  Surrender to my superiority !

This blog has too many rookies to compete with an expert like me. Hey Bush... no picking on my girls ! Yap, Yap !

FYI,

   The weather forecast for Belmont(Elmont, NY.) on Saturday is Partly sunny, Highs in the Mid 70's...(They are calling for Rain on Thursday and Friday), So, If they are right, The track should be fine...

Greg J. thank you for posting that, appreciate it, along with all your insights. I am not very good at handicapping from paper alone, I need to look at the horse in person before the race to get a feel for their mind set. Acting up or calm easy demeanor, excessive sweating, (and where), types of bandages and where, on all four or just two, long easy stride or short choppy one, eye rolling, ears- up, down, back, excessive chomping at the bit,etc,etc,, then as they post, that's when I go to the window. Not able to do that here, but I will do my best!!! :) :

Dray, rest assured that your handicapping secrets are safe with me. I will not tell. :)

draynay,

To each his own. As a dog lover myself it's nice to see you have an obvious passion for yours. Which one runs the faster 6f split?

forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php

Greg J. ...  How on earth are you going to pick horses right if you can't get the weather right. Sunny Thursday, Friday and Saturday.  Stick with me I am an expert on the weather too !

We can't catch a Draynay disease via the internet can we?

RacingDoc?

Did Gomez choose CC over Dunkirk? He has been aboard Dunkirk in the past until he took PON in the Derby.

Greg J,

I don't see anything at stake here. If draynay beats you all (i'm not participating) so what? It's only one race and doesn't prove anything. You are taking this way to personal and he's going to be under your skin as long as you enable him. It's like enabling an addict.

I have been watching these Classics for a very long time and I am a huge fan of the mile ahalf races. With that said I have found the Belmont Stakes winner many times by seeing which horse came flying in the Preakness Stakes. I predicted Touch Gold over Silver Charm when I saw him in the Preakness. Alysheba should have won the Belmont and the Crown as he was that type of horse but due to the way he got boxed on the rail and not a good trip he just couldn't get it done that day. If you want a surprise I would look at Flying Private and being from the Raise a Native line he will like this distance. Charitable Man is the real threat along with Dunkirk. Also the sons of Birdstone, the Derby winner and runner-up in the Preakness Mine That Bird, and Summer Bird will like this distance also. Let's not forget that their daddy is Birdstone who had that late kick and is also from the Raise a Native line. I usually throw out the Northern Dancer horses as this distance usually isn't what they want though there are always those few that don't follow the rule of bloodlines. My top choice has to be Charitable Man with a side bet on Flying Private. And we had better not forget any horse trained by Nick Zito.

The Wiz,

   First off, This is a Game/Contest, It is actually a great concept by Jason, Kudos to him.  By going by the interest it has generated(Almost 500 comments, so far) I am sure alot feel like me, It is for fun, Wiz.  And no, I don't take anything personnal here, It is all in good fun, like I said.  It is your prerogative to participate or not, Do what ever you like.

    The Stakes are quite interesting either way, Wiz, Either one whole month of no Dray or Dray gets his own Blog to write about, Either way, It would be interesting and fun, No matter how it turns out, But I won't lie to you, I would love to have Dray Eat his Words about, Mine that Bird if, and when, He wins....

   I don't take this personnal, Alot of the banter back and forth is tongue in cheek, Wiz :)

Dray,

   I got the weather from my Cell Phone, Entered Belmont's Zip Code, I know here in Connecticut it calls for chance of rain thursday and friday 60 percent, and clear on Saturday, Dray, you are too Funny...

The Correct Weather Forecast(Not the Dray-Cast):

www.weather.com/.../11003

All in the name of fun, and with Dray it's all hot air, right Dray? Like or dislike, for my part you have a faint  (VERY faint) glimmer of hope,  just by he fact of your furry girls. I have 4 furry's myself, so there has to be a tiny little dot of good in him..........hmmmm. Hopefully it will surface eventually, why on the other blog he actually put "MTB"!! Imagine that!! :) :)

Dray, who are your picks?

Greg J... weather report from your phone ? Geez... do yourself a favor and go to Google and type in Marine Weather go to the site and type in 14813 for the zip code and you will see Thursday sunny no rain Friday sunny no rain and Saturday sunny no rain.  Sweet T... Jason already has my expert picks. Greg J. don't worry about Wiz he just hates that I am always right and he is always wrong...it drives him nuts.

You see... the weather in Belmont will be great ! lol....

Greg J.,

Thanks for your input, buddy. Hope to see Dray eat some crow!

Just found out my grandfather had a plow-mule named Dray. Got killed and half-eaten by a black bear in an open field. Guess he was too dumb and hardheaded to tuck tail and run.  Hmmmm

Horswld... THAT'S RIGHT BABY !!! We don't run from a fight !  No coward in us.  The black bear won the fight but what grampa didn't tell you was it was a brown bear when the fight started.  A black and blue when it was done !!! Fight the good fight and never ever surrender !!!

Draynay:

Followed your suggestion about the Marine Weather website. I entered the zipcode you provided to us -14813- and Belmont, NY popped up. The map looked a little funny even to a gal from South Carolina,so I kept reading. Guess what? Belmont, NY is up near Buffalo.

Dray, Belmont Park is in ELMONT, NY! Zip is 11003.

Glad I caught this for you before you relied on your Marine Weather map of Belmont, NY to get to the track on Saturday for the race. That sure would have been a FLUKE.

Draynay, have to say that you do make me laugh. In a odd disturbing way, ( very disturbing), I THINK I will miss your nonsense for 30 days!! Haven't decided if I will or won't!! :) :) :)

Dray,

You are funny!lol What Grandpa did tell me is that it is better to be smart and alive than dumb and dead.   Baby.

Greg J,

Last year draynay had big brown in the Belmont and I bet on Da Tara. Mine finished first his last, enough said. I have nothing to prove to him, I already kicked his butt in the Belmont.

Soldier Course,

     Too Funny on the weather!, Here Dray is giving me an earfull about posting the wrong weather, and he puts in the wrong City!, Ha, Too Funny, Dray, Way to go, Who is laughing now, lol...

Greg J,

No surprise here, nay nay trying to give false information out to help his hopeless cause. If he's not trying to cheat do you think he'd admit he's really not as smart as he claims?

How bout it nay nay, are you trying to cheat or just a little "slow"? We know you aren't honest with all the times you have changed your drivel so don't try and pass it off as an honest mistake.

Wiz,

   I don't know how you came to the conclusion Da Tara would win?, But Kudos to you....I know I had Big Brown winning the Triple Crown, Good Job, Hope you wagered alot...

Greg J.:

Good thing for Dray that Belmont Park's not in JAMAICA, NY, 'cause our guy would have chartered a boat to get to the track.

Hey I was just giving you the weather for Belmont if you don't want to listen its up to you.  I have my pics and I am going to win.  Greg... believe me the wiz hasn't picked a winner since his last head cold.

Draynay:

For future reference, here's an easy way to remember where Belmont Park is in NY State: Take the word Belmont, drop the B, and you have the location, Elmont.

And while you're at it, drop the BS as well.

Saturday the Derby Flukes 15 minutes will be up and I will have beaten the blog !  Love it ...love it.

Can't help but notice your last blog Dray...... Are you in shock? Another blogger stated that when Dray is allowed back on the blogs it should be with a stipulation... that he is never allowed to call MTB a fluke again. I agree 100%!!!