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Firenze- The Best Horse I Never Knew About

Last Thursday was cleaning day for me. For any of you that work in an office, you know all about cleaning day. The cluttered paperwork on your desk becomes unbearable, the dust on your computer screen must go, and your drawers full of old, useless papers must be thrown out. It has to be done.

While in the middle of my cleaning chores, I can upon an old, black-and-white photo that had been in my desk ever since I arrived at The Blood-Horse in 2007. It had been sitting in my bottom drawer from the first day I started working here. Books were eventually piled on top of it and two years later I forgot it was there. Until cleaning day.

The 8x10 framed photo is of a horse standing on the racetrack. She is being handled by a well-dressed man in a suit and stylish top hat - the trainer, I presume. Underneath the picture, it reads - "Firenze 1884." I stared at the picture for a bit and then curiosity got the best of me. I had heard of the name before, but just who was Firenze?

So I googled Firenze and clicked on the first link - the National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame (racingmuseum.org). It took me to the profile for Firenze. My eyes nearly popped out of my head when I read the bio:

Firenze - Bay filly foaled in 1884. Died in 1902. By Glenelg-Florida, by Virgil

Breeder: Dan Swigert

Owner: James Ben Ali Haggin

Trainer: Matt Byrnes

 RACE RECORD

YEAR AGE STARTS 1ST 2ND 3RD EARNED

1886 2 8 5 2 0 $12,825

1887 3 14 8 4 2 $23,230

1888 4 22 13 6 3 $34,836

1889 5 21 12 6 3 $22,050

1890 6 14 7 3 0 $14,720

1891 7 3 2 0 1 $4,810

TOTALS: 82 47 21 9 $112,471

The most staggering part was her totals- 82 starts, 47 wins, 21 seconds, 9 thirds. Wow. I felt ashamed for not knowing about this horse, who was obviously one of the best of her time, of any time. I read more:

"Firenze was a small filly bred by Dan Swigert in 1884. She was sired by Glenelg out of the mare Florida, by Virgil. James Ben Ali Haggin purchased Firenze for $2,600. Small in stature, she grew to only 15 hands, but her racing presence was large.

"At 3 Firenze won all the major stakes for fillies and at 4, 5, and 6 she was named Champion Handicap Female.

"As champion filly or mare for four consecutive years, Firenze raced against colts 69 times and beat them regularly over all distances. She beat the mighty Hanover at 1 1/4, 1 1/2, and 1 3/4 miles; beat Kingston twice, and gave The Bard his only defeat of 1888.

"Rider, trainer, racing official, and Hall of Fame member James McLaughlin knew such great fillies as Miss Woodford, Imp, Beldame, Artful, Pan Zareta, and Regret, but claimed that Firenze was the best of all.

"Firenze was inducted in the Hall of Fame in 1981."

Unbelievable, I thought. Here was a filly that raced 82 times over a six year period, mostly against colts, and hit the board in 77. 82 starts. 77 on the board. Wow.

This was the same week in which John Shirreffs told me Zenyatta was unlikely to leave California for the rest of her career and Jess Jackson said Rachel Alexandra wouldn't be going to the Breeders' Cup this year. I had to chuckle to myself. Firenze can race 82 times but we can't get a Zenyatta vs. Rachel match-up? Go figure.

Obviously, racing back in the late 1890s doesn't resemble racing as we now know it. It's not fair to compare eras more than 100 years apart. But I still couldn't help but feel a little sad, knowing that horse racing back then was all about racing and today it's mostly a business. Nowadays, we're lucky if we get to see a great horse race 14 times in a career. Firenze had at least 14 starts in a season four times.

Firenze's record should also put the word "greatness" into perspective for us. When I hear people talk about modern horses as "one of the best ever" after making seven or eight starts, I cringe. I usually throw out names like Kelso, Citation, Forego, and John Henry to refute their argument. Now I can also add Firenze.

The old picture was dusted off and now hangs in my office. Firenze will be forgotten no more.

55 Comments:

wow thanks for sharing that. Anyway you could post a picture of her( I suppose I could not be lazy and look it up myself...hehe)? Did she go on to have a broodmare career of any worth? She must have done something in her retirement as she lived to be 18. Does she have any decedents still racing today?

shesfast 30 Jun 2009 2:13 PM

money talks,sad, very sad

ANZITA 30 Jun 2009 2:16 PM

Jason,

What a great find! Thank you for bringing this wonderful mare back from the past.

Where did she race?

Zookeeper 30 Jun 2009 2:16 PM

I looked her up at the racingmuseum.org like you suggested. What a beautiful little horse with impeccable conformation. Did not notice any information pertaining to offspring. I did take notice of her sire being held back in his Belmont.... Did her sire produce any other good horses?

shesfast 30 Jun 2009 2:23 PM

Jason,

Where the "no draynay" ticker? Is the time up already?

Zookeeper 30 Jun 2009 2:30 PM

Not only does the passage of time dim the memory, when enough time has passed very few if any remember these great horses or what they accomplished.  There was a great baseball book written a number of years ago titled The Glory of Their Times by Lawrence Ritter. In that book he interviewed old ballplayers from the dead ball era who actually played the game back in the day. It made for a simply incredible read and I couldn't put it down.  It might be a good idea for someone to write such a book involving horses that time has forgotten to illustrate their greatness. I'm sure there are some old timers still around who would love to share their stories with the world. Gelo Hall is one man who has been around a long time.  I believe he still functions as a patrol judge at the Maryland tracks.  He would be a great source of information for such a project. There are undoubtedly many others more than willing to reminisce.

Bill 30 Jun 2009 2:34 PM

Jason,

  Wow, That sure puts "Greatness" into perspective, like you said!  I can't even imagine if we were so lucky to see our favorites race that often, I can only wish, Amazing...

Greg J. 30 Jun 2009 2:38 PM

Lol. Now you all are asking me to go back and research Firenze's race history and offspring. Sorry guys. No time this week. Maybe someone else can take the lead. Hey GunBow, are you doing anything right now? lol

Zookeeper: Sorry. The draynay ticker has been added

jshandler 30 Jun 2009 2:39 PM

Both John Shireffs and Jess Jackson need to read your article. I believe the racing public deserves a match-up of Rachel & Zenyatta! And with all the not so pleasant state of affairs our country is going through we need a couple of shining stars!  

Gladys 30 Jun 2009 2:46 PM

This is why I'm sticking to Rags to Riches--a brief but grand career; Zenyatta isn't tested but she's consistent and classy. And Rachel? Well...the Preakness was good--just good--but otherwise, she was overrated, IMO.

The Thoroughbred used to be such a darn proud horse. Wonder if fan pressure could bring Zen and Rachel together like it brought the Biscuit and War Admiral together? :p

MtBFan (STILL) 30 Jun 2009 2:55 PM

Wow, what an incredible story.  Thank you for sharing it with us.  I can't begin to imagine horses today racing 82 times. I'm saddened with what humans have done to such a beautiful animal that gives so much each time they run. However, on the brightside as an artist. I am helping to keep horse like Firenze memories alive through my pastel drawings. This is one great mare I would be honored to draw.  

Somethingroyal 30 Jun 2009 3:02 PM

"Firenze", American 1890 Queen of the Turf, This picture can be yours for only $9000.00:

grsmarketing.com.au/.../Firenze.jpg

Greg J. 30 Jun 2009 3:06 PM

A few facts I found:

Among the important victories for Firenze were the Nursery Stakes, two Monmouth Cups, two Freehold Handicaps, the Omnium, Champion Stakes, Monmouth Handicap and a number of other important stakes. Judging from that list, several of her big wins came in New Jersey.

James Ben Ali Haggin, the breeder of Firenze, also owned the brilliant Salvator. Salvator was considered by many the best horse of the latter part of the 19th century. The Salvator Mile at Monmouth is named in his honor.

Kingston, one of the horses Firenze defeated, had quite a record of his own. He raced from the ages of 2 through 10 and had 138 starts, 89 wins, 33 seconds and 12 thirds. The 89 victories is more than any other in the history of thoroughbred racing. Kingston's record is even more impressive because he wasn't even a gelding!

Dutch 30 Jun 2009 3:07 PM

Thanks for that historical article. Firenze's stats really do put "greatness" into perspective! It is an appropriate, timely commentary.

Karen in Texas 30 Jun 2009 3:12 PM

Love LOVE your article! It made me smile a great big smile.  (Interesting name! She must have been named for the Italian city?)

This is what came up @ www.pedigreequery.com/firenze

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Owner: James Ben Ali Haggin

   Breeder: Daniel Swigert

State Bred: KY

 Winnings: 82 Starts: 47 - 21 - 9, $112,471

WON Gazelle Handicap, Ladies Stakes, Monmouth Cup (twice), Freehold Handicap (twice), Omnium Cap, Champion Stakes, Monmouth Handicap, Nursery Stakes

2yo: Autumn Stk

3yo: Jerome Stk, Hunter Cap, Mermaid Stk, Monmouth Oaks

6yo: Twin City Cap

Spelled "Firenzi" sometimes, but apparently inaccurate (see town of that name).

3yo: 3rd Swift Stk

4yo:

2nd First Special

3rd Suburban

5yo: 3rd Monmouth Cap

US champion 3yo filly; US champion handicap mare at ages 4,5,6. Raced through 7yo.

Died 1902. Inducted into the Racing Hall Of Fame, 1981.

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hmb0725 30 Jun 2009 3:14 PM

This was found at wikipedia.com... It mentions a paragraph about her broodmare career. - Hannah in TX

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Firenze (1884-1902), also recorded as "Firenzi,", was an American Thoroughbred Champion and Hall of Fame filly racehorse. The New York Times [1] called Firenze: "...one of the greatest distaffers of the 19th Century."

Foaled at Elmendorf Farm in Lexington, Kentucky, Firenze was sold by owner/breeder Daniel Swigert to lawyer and businessman James Ben Ali Haggin. Under trainer Matt Byrnes, Firenze became the second filly in American Thoroughbred racing history to earn more than $100,000 in purse money and was voted Champion Older Mare for four straight years.

Although a small horse at just 15 hands, Firenze was noted for her stamina. She competed in up to twenty or more races a year and frequently at distances of 1¼ to 2 miles. However, what makes her performances so remarkable is that she repeatedly defeated the top colts of the day including the Dwyer Brothers Stable's two future Hall of Fame colts, Hanover and Kingston. As well, in the 1888 season, she was the only horse to beat A. J. Cassatt's Preakness Stakes winner and son of the great Longfellow, The Bard.

At her retirement she had achieved the second highest earnings for a filly in American history. Miss Woodford won more, and Yo Tambien won a bit less.

Firenze began racing at age two and competed through age seven, retiring to her owner's Rancho Del Paso stud farm near Sacramento, California. As a broodmare, her own progeny, including those sired by her Hall of Fame stablemate Salvator, achieved only modest success in racing but several of her fillies were successful as broodmares.

hmb0725 30 Jun 2009 3:19 PM

Check this out www.pedigreequery.com/.../firenze

I know this site can be pretty unreliable but it is a great jumping off point to get you on headed in the right direction.

According to the pedigree site she had 5 foals, all female but none of them appear to have been succesful on the track.  I would recommend someone reasearching it further because they may have ended up contributing to a great horse later on just not up close...

FIESOLE (USA) ch F 1898 GOLDFINCH

FIRENZETA   F 1893 SALVATOR

FLORENCE BRECKENRIDGE (USA) F 1896

             GOLDFINCH

FLORENTIA6 (USA) b M 1897    

             GOLDFINCH

PEARL V (USA) b M 1894 SALVATOR

Thanks for the article!  I love hearing about the the great ones...

pharlap 30 Jun 2009 3:23 PM

Thanks to all for doing my homework for me :)

jshandler 30 Jun 2009 3:30 PM

Interesting facts.  Seems like maybe she has a race named in her honor because I recognize the name as well.  I wish more horses would race into their mature years.  Seems like I remember Round Table running through at least his 5-year-old year.  It would be nice if we could bring back the handicap stars of yesterday.  They somehow got through their lives unscathed.  If a horse runs 10 times in his lifetime now, that's a lot and he or she is retired.  

smartysgal 30 Jun 2009 3:36 PM

very good looking filly!

I got looking at another hard knocker--Pan Zareta.  For some reason her name rings a bell and I just can't place it.

She raced between 1912 and 1917, in races that had purses no bigger than $300.  151 starts in all--76 firsts, 31 seconds and 21 thirds.  If my math is correct, that means this filly was in the money 84% of the time she went out.  Don't see that that often!

I'd love to have seen these horses race :)

Kayte 30 Jun 2009 3:36 PM

great story, i believe there is also an italian race mare with the same name.  they raced with no saddles down the cobble stone streets.

looking for info, maybe just a childrens story.

AMY ROONEY 30 Jun 2009 3:40 PM

The Firenze Handicap, named to honour this mare, ran from '48 to '86.  Then it became the John A. Morris Handicap until '97 and now it's the Personal Ensign.  

From a great mare to a great mare (with some guy in between).

mz 30 Jun 2009 3:58 PM

Kayte, Pan Zareta is in the Hall of Fame, that's where you probably recognized the name...she won a number stakes, and carried weights up to 146 lbs, giving as much as 44 lbs to her rivals...

Thanks for the Firenze story...I love hearing about the great old horses...and how SO many of them were fillies who could beat the colts routinely.

da3hoss 30 Jun 2009 4:34 PM

I've always wondered about the amount of starts in a horses career.  I've seen some like these talked about here with a large amount of starts...I've seen others from a similar period with starts closer to our modern # of starts.  Why the difference then?  Why the difference now?  People can say that it's because horses are not bred to do this anymore, they're too fragile, and so on and so forth, but I have always been one to doubt this line of argument.  I've always believed it was actually training methods that have changed the # of starts so drastically, not the ability of a breed (TB's in other countries manage to pull it off, and you can't tell me that they're gene pools are all that different from ours, unless someone is sneaking QH's into our US TB stock, which I highly doubt).  If a horse can work every week, why can't they forgo that work and have a race every week.  Why work a horse at 5 furlongs, why not work them at a mile or more?  Train them hard over longer distances and stamina will prevail.  Stamina can be trained in, it doesn't have to be born in (ask any marathon runner).  The speed focus is killing our sport.  I feel that trainers and owners are far too conservative with their charges.  Now I'm not saying we need to race them every week, but once every couple of weeks to once a month is very doable in my mind (instead of Zenyatta with her 11 starts over 20 months).  Horses with weak structure are going to break down under either method (and do, have a look at Unbridled's Song's crop this year...I know no one wants it pointed out for money purposes but I wouldn't breed a mare to him if I was forced to). Why would you want to breed to a horse that was force to retire from injury?  A change in training methods seems greatly needed.  Great horses are going to waste (physically and mentally).

RachelSatterfield 30 Jun 2009 5:02 PM

GREAT WRITE UP Jason.

rolo from ky 30 Jun 2009 5:03 PM

i had looked her up and followed her offspring along the dam side to find this daughter of paulino out of a mare named safe despoit.

merry myrtle looks to be unraced and has zero offspring. but i'm sure that she has had a few babies that's unknown.

www.pedigreequery.com/merry+myrtle

anna winnett 30 Jun 2009 5:31 PM

FYI,

   Determining the relative value of the Earning's of ""Firenze", By using the last year of her career(1889), Her career earning's($112,471) would have a value of $22,028,314 today!,  That would be ahead of both Curlin and Cigar's total, Combined !($20,501,615)

Greg J. 30 Jun 2009 5:39 PM

Amy Rooney - There is a race in Italy called the Palio.  They race around a cobblestone square in the city of Sienna.  The riders are bareback.  There is a children's book about the Palio.  I'm sure you could also read about it online.  I believe it still takes place every year.

whoapony 30 Jun 2009 5:56 PM

Speaking of speed, starts and weight, what about Roseben?  111 starts, 52 wins, 25 seconds and 12 thirds.  Set a 7 furlong record of 1:22 in an allowance race under only 126 in 1906 at Belmont that stood as a track record until Bold Ruler in 1957, almost 50 years later.  "Only" 126 because in that year, he carried 144 for a race on September 14 (won), 150 for a race four days later (2nd), 147 for the Manhattan Handicap (6 furlongs) (1st), and then the track record allowance race four days after that!

He was a gelding but what about Imp? In 1897 she started 50 times, winning "only" 14 but was in the money 33 times.  She ended up having run 171 races, with 62 wins, 35 seconds and 29 thirds and among her wins was the Suburban in 1899.

And Boston, the sire of Lexington (and Lecomte), covered mares AND raced for many years.

Makes current horses/owners/trainers look like wimps!

mz 30 Jun 2009 6:04 PM

Thanks for the great history lesson!  I love learning about these horses from the past.  Thank you!

txhorsefan 30 Jun 2009 6:11 PM

I haven't dug deep, but I found gold.  Firenze was the great-granddam of Paul Jones, winner of the 1920 Kentucky Derby.  This is through her daughter Fiesole to May Florence who was Paul Jones's dam.  I'm sure there are more treasures out there too.

Lynn in Florida 30 Jun 2009 6:37 PM

What a great story about a truly great horse. It's also a great story about a much simpler, and in my opinion a much better time, for racing and for sports in general. Horseman (and athletes) participated in their sport for the love of the sport and for pride in their accomplishments. Today it's all about the money. Even back in 1973 Secretariat was retired at the end of his 3 year old season because of the all mighty dollar. The syndicate called the shots. We really missed out on the truly dominant and powerful presence that Secretariat certainly would have been as a 4 & 5 year old. Horses today are not more fragile than they were 100 years ago it's just all about the money. There are only so many races that are worth a trainer's time with a good horse these days. On that note I must commend Chip Wooley for taking MTB to Mountaineer for the WVa Derby-it's not a traditional move for a Derby winner but I think its a good one.

A thoroughbred can run and run well much more often than most world class horses run today but with million dollar purses they don't have to. Just take a look at some of the claimers and allowance horses that run every 10 days or so. RachelSatterfield-I agree with you completely-you obviously know about training. I believe a rigorous training schedule is harder on a horse than more frequent races. There is actually a much greater chance of injury in the morning than during a race. One of the most consistent horses that I ever trained ran all season (Mar.-Dec)at least twice a month every month with only 1 work a year in the spring. Other than that she ponied, swam, jogged the wrong way, and ran. We trained her that way for 3 years and we were very successful with her. When she was claimed she went to a more workout oriented stable-she won first time out for her new connections, and became a severe bleeder.

Judy B 30 Jun 2009 6:40 PM

Just goes to show how far our society has sunk in this catastrophic "sissification" era.

Back then people were sturdy,men were men...Horses raced against whomever,whenever,no problem.

Nowadays,"some" folks are fearful of a break-down if a Filly/Mare faces Colts,horses race too often,or...won't let their children play outside because they might get dirty or,Heaven forbid..suffer some form of an "ouchy" while doing so :(   sad,really sad!

What's next?...Men threatening,or willing to wear a tight,Pink Dress if their chosen horse doesn't win a particular race,or worst yet....Men being proud owners of "chessies" or "schnauzers". No wonder these other Countries are getting "ballsy" towards us...God help us all!  LOL  J/K

Carlos in Cali. 30 Jun 2009 6:56 PM

FYI...

Anyone that is going to be at any of the tracks in the LA area between Thursday and Sunday are going to have a traffic demon to deal with.  This is off topic but if anyone is attending this event the address is:

Neverland Valley Ranch  

5225 Figueroa Mountain Rd,

Los Olivos, CA 93441

Again Jason.....

Wonderful article.  As always. :)

StardustyRose 30 Jun 2009 7:00 PM

Wow,thanks for the wonderful post. I love looking back on good horses from the past. Next time I'll think twice before I claim a horse great!

Lyn-z2 30 Jun 2009 7:22 PM

Good story Jason it's nice to hear about the great girls along with all the boys. Thanks.

Rita 30 Jun 2009 7:28 PM

There are a few descendants into the 2000's coming down from Frightfully (1967) who comes down from Firenze's daughter Fiesole

Annem 30 Jun 2009 7:40 PM

Greg J.  or Jason or anyone....

Can someone go and see Zenyatta exersise or just see her if they are in the area?  If so, can you give me a way to get to her.  If not, then oh well.  I just figured it could be a good time to see her this coming few days.  I know nothing about this.  

StardustyRose 30 Jun 2009 10:58 PM

Great article. As wonderful as it is that she ran 82 races, I feel like there is a happy medium between that and 14 in a career. 82 seems like one race too many IMO. She was clearly a very special horse with stamina that knew no end. I totally agree that the short racing careers is ruining horse racing. Owners do it for breeding purposes, but to what end? This will become self defeating if no on cares about racing anymore.

Paula Higgins 30 Jun 2009 11:03 PM

thank you whoapony,

i was beginning to think my age was showing!

AMY ROONEY 01 Jul 2009 8:11 AM

StardustyRose:

I have someone I can ask to  answer your question. I'm all of 20 minutes from Del Mar and I hope to visit early in the morning for workout photos of Zenyatta. If you haven't seen her in person yet. You're in for a treat. She's gorgeous.  

Somethingroyal 01 Jul 2009 8:44 AM

Is it bad juju to smash an abacus?

draynay's usin one he found buried in the attic to countdown the days till his return. It's the one he used to use for handicapping until he figured out if you choose enough of the contestants your odds of being able to claim you had the winner all along are pretty good. The constant click click click noise is drivin the dogs nuts. I'm not sure when he's clicking his dentures or counting down time anymore.

Just think in less than a week you can have him back. Doesn't time fly when you are having fun without him? Enjoy the rest of your reprieve. He'll be back with a vengance calling your win a "fluke" in no time.

draynays better half 01 Jul 2009 12:40 PM

Somethingroyal..

Thank You.  I will be in the LA area for about a week.  Leaving tomorrow.  :)  Would love to see Zenyatta in real life.  I don't care about whether it is a race or not.  Just to see her would help me through this time of maddness.  She would surely lift up any spirits aye?  :)

StardustyRose 01 Jul 2009 2:08 PM

Reading this reminded me of another great 19th century filly, perhaps the greatest of them all, Fashion (1837-1860). Fashion's most famous race was the North -vs- South match race against Boston(she won). Amazingly, she raced until age 11, with 36 starts and won 32 times! She even beat her old nemisis Boston's daughter, Bostona, at age 11. Talk about endurance!

LACS70 01 Jul 2009 2:53 PM

While I agree that money is also the issue now days I don't agree about the breed itself.  I don't understand how anyone could mistake horses like Firenze, Seabiscuit, etc. for the look of the breed today.  Breeding has changed drastically.  The racehorse of today is taller, finer boned and bred for speed, speed, glorious speed.  Mine That Bird, Smarty Jones, Afleet Alex have the look AND stamina of horses of yesteryear.  Let's remember the other part of this equation is "heart".  I'm sure there were castrophic injuries back then but they cannot compare to the losses we have racked up in recent years especially when you compare the number of races and frequency of races these animals competed in compared to the campaigns of today's horses - there is no comparison.  Let's face it, horseracing today is not what it was years ago.  I am an avid horse owner and breeder who loved to watch every race I could find but now, I can't bear to watch any race for fear of another breakdown.  We need to take a serious look at the breed and redirect our efforts toward breeding a sounder individual.  Forget the speed - I'd like to still have them around at 4,5 6,7.......

hrseldy 01 Jul 2009 3:14 PM

By my user name you may gather that I am a student of racing history.  When I began following racing (1970's) I read a great article about some of the greats of the late 1800's and Firenze was among them.  There was at that time a Firenze stakes in NY, for fillies and mares late in the year.  It was on equal fotting with the Beldame, who was a contemporary of Sysonby.  I am not certain but I think that the Firenze Stakes became the Ruffian when NYRA decided that Reviewer's ill fated daughter deserved her own race.  I'm not saying that Ruffian was not worthy but when race names are changed like that, they break a link in the chain of racing history.  

Sysonby 01 Jul 2009 3:26 PM

What an interesting story. How is the said? I do recall the race that was named after this horse and always wondered who the horse was. I was listing a inventory of the equipment in Bowie's old grandstand and found a picture of Spec. Bid on the floor. I did not know who it was till I looked it up. Funny how things happen like that.

Cris McHenka 01 Jul 2009 3:57 PM

Incidentally, Kingston of the many starts (and wins) was later TWICE leading US sire.

Ann in Lexington 01 Jul 2009 4:05 PM

The Firenze Cafe is on north Eleventh Street in downtown Philadelphia, between Race Street and Cherry Street. And yes they used to race horses on Race Street. Coincidence?

Manoa Tommy 01 Jul 2009 8:47 PM

Great story Jason. After reading it, I went on the racing museum.org site and was disappointed. As someone who has visited the museum several times and enjoys every minute of it, I found the site extremely pokie and boring. Hopefully they will take the time to revamp it in the future and make it as enchanting as the museum is.

Alex 01 Jul 2009 9:17 PM

when I was a kid I had a book called The History of Thoroghbred Racing in America by w.p. Robertson.  It was a treasure and covered racing from before the first real important sire (Diomed) through Kelso.  It was amazing and I learned more from that than from any other source.  I hope they reprint it someday.  The author considered the foal crop of 1884 to be the best of that century, like 1954 (Bold Ruler- Gallant Man-Round Table) or 1970(Secretariat- Forego- Mr. Prospector).  Firenze was always one of the best of her crop, and was always the best female.  One of her few unplaced efforts was when her jockey (the great Isaac Murphey) actually fell off of her back.

julie o 01 Jul 2009 9:37 PM

Thanks for everyones insight on this subject. It's been very informative.

jshandler 01 Jul 2009 9:54 PM

Jason,

    Off subject, First off Good article on Mr. Wiggins and "Brassy Boy", The Bashford Manor Stakes at Churchill Downs, Race 10, Friday Night is one of two races I am looking forward to this Holiday weekend, But, One of my favorites is in that race with "Brassy Boy", "Mission Impazible" will be my pick, Another would have to be "Grand Slam Andre"(Just because I am a Huge Agassi and Tennis Fan!), So, Would love to see, Mission Impazible, Brassy Boy, Grand Slam Andre finish in the top three  :)

    The race I cannot wait for though, Has two "Old Warrior's" in it, The United Nations Stakes at Monmouth, July 4, Race 10.  You have the eight year old, "Brass Hat" and the ten year old, "Better Talk Now", I also love the six year old, "Presious Passion", Hope all three do well and return safely....

   I cannot believe Dray makes his return in only five days!, Ugh, Should be interesting when he returns, It was fun while it lasted...

    Finally, I Hope Everyone has a Great Holiday Weekend...

Greg J. 02 Jul 2009 10:51 AM

So, anyone actually going to go support their local track this weekend?

Should be fun tomorrow nite at CD.

I can't wait for Saratoga myself.

Those old hard knockers were great. No one thought a thing about running them a couple times a week from what I've been told. Some thrived on it.

For those of you missing Draynay? Just mosey over to Steve's blog, he still posts there. Not as abrasive but still not Mr.Charming.

Don't get the infatuation with him, but to each his own.

Shawn P 02 Jul 2009 1:57 PM

Just found a small glass tumbler from Bowie, MD. on it reads, Locust Hill Farm on one side and a pic of horse and name Ruffian on the other! WOW! Tried to search the horses stats and can find no place that says anything about running there? Anyone help me? Thanks and Happy 4th of July!

NEED YOUR HELP ~ PETE FRPOM LAUREL 04 Jul 2009 12:54 PM

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