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Smarty vs. Big Brown - an Inside Look

As I do many times when my family and friends come in from out of town, I took my uncle and his family over to the good folks at Three Chimney's Farm as part of our July 4th weekend. Being from Philly, they were very anxious to meet Smarty Jones.

Although it was a Sunday on a holiday weekend, Three Chimney's stallion manager Sandy Hatfield was nice enough to give us a guided tour. Nice gestures like that are a major reason why Three Chimney's has been my favorite farm since I arrived in Lexington.

Because of the particular time that we arrived, most of the stallions were being turned out when we got there. Sandy was nice enough to hold two for us back at the stallion barn - Smarty and Big Brown. So basically, it was just us, Smarty and Big Brown for a long while. And after some time, my family went with Sandy for the rest of the farm tour, leaving me with solo access to Smarty and Big Brown.

As you may recall from my personal conversation with Big Brown last year, I have this uncanny ability to communicate with horses. They feel so comfortable around me that they will even start to talk sometimes. I wish I could explain it, but it's so amazing that you wouldn't believe me if I could. Anyway, while I was alone with them, I had a very interesting conversation with Smarty and Big Brown. Being the crack reporter that I am, I even had a pen and pad with me to record it. I thought I would share it with all of you. Enjoy.

Smarty: Yo Brown. What's up?

Big Brown: Not much. I wish we were out running around, but they kept us back here so these bozos could stare at us.

Me: Yo Brown! I thought we patched things up last year? Why the name-calling?

Big Brown: Sorry dude. I didn't mean anything by it. I'm just a little grouchy this morning. I had another nightmare last night. It's the same one I always have, you know, the Belmont.

Me: No problem. Yeah, I guess that would make me upset too.

Big Brown: I can't shake it dude. It's been more than a year since that damn race and I still feel like it was yesterday.

Smarty: It doesn't get any better Brown. It's been five years for me and I still wake up in cold sweats sometimes.

Me: I guess it must be worse for you Smarty. I mean, Brown was never really in contention. You were only yards away from immortality.

Smarty: You have no idea what it's like to live with that kind of torment. I replay the race in my head a hundred times per day.

Me: It can't be all that bad. Look at the life you guys have. You get to be with hundreds of girls every year, you have admirers visiting from all over the world, and you are treated like kings.

Big Brown: Yeah. We don't mean to complain, but we still have to stare at that friggin' Seattle Slew statue every second of the day - even when we're in the breeding shed. It can give a man pretty bad inferiority complex after a while.

Me: I guess I know what you mean. Hey, speaking of women, how about that Rachel Alexandra? She is something, huh?

Smarty: Dude, she is a beast. I would do anything to be with her.

Me: It probably won't happen though. I hear she has a boyfriend. Curlin.

Big Brown: He's a chump! I wish these darn feet would have held up a few more months. I would have smoked him in the Breeders' Cup. I can't believe he is dating Rachel. He doesn't deserve her.

Me: You guys get hundreds of women a year and you're still complaining?

Smarty: You're right Jay. If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with.

Me: That's more like it Smarty. Hey, not to start an argument here, but who was better between you two?

Smarty: I'm usually pretty modest, but I think Brown would even agree that I was better. I mean, look at the races. I just ran horses into the ground.

Big Brown: What?! YOU ran horses into the ground? I broke my maiden by 11 on the turf, won the Florida Derby by five from post 12 and annihilated those fools in the Derby from post 20! You were a glorified miler Smarty.

Smarty: Are you kidding me? Go back and watch the 2004 Preakness dude. Let me know what you think. And by the way, could you have faced a weaker crop of 3-year-olds?

Big Brown: At least I ran a couple of races after the Derby!

Me: Ok, Ok. That's enough. Stop yelling at each other. I didn't mean to start an argument. You guys were both great racehorses...hold on, my cell phone is ringing.

Hello? (Long Pause). Ok, I will. Take care.

Me: That was Point Given. He's calling from outside in quarantine. He's being shipped over to Brazil in a few weeks. He told me to tell both of you to keep all the noise down. He's trying to get some sleep before his long flight. And he said, for the record, he would have crushed you both.

Smarty: (Rolls his eyes). Whatever. I'm not gonna argue with him though. You ever see the size of that dude?

Me: Alright boys. I'm outta here. Thanks for everything.

Brown: Peace.

Smarty: Go Phillies!

(End)

By the way, this is the final Triple Crown Talk post of the year. This blog will switch over to Breeders' Cup Chat until the end of the year. Look for my first post at the end of week. Thanks to everyone for an enjoyable first half of the season.

Oh, and by the way...he's baaaaack. The Draynay ban is officially over. Hope everyone enjoyed the respite.

223 Comments:

I liked comment about the Seattle Slew statue. Both Big Brown & Smarty Jones need to know who is the greatest of all time - race track & breeding shed.

MRO 07 Jul 2009 4:35 PM

Jason, thanks for the last 2009 Triple Crown Talk Blog! I just hope you keep up with the live blogs, cuz they are the BEST!! And, I thought I would never say this, but it has been kinda boring without Draynay poking around in here!!!!LOL!!!!

ALB 07 Jul 2009 4:38 PM

Jason, this was amazing.

aspradling 07 Jul 2009 4:38 PM

MRO needs a bit of perspective.  Seattle Slew was a great race horse, but no where near the "Greatest Ever" on the track.  That colt won the triple crown in 1973.

In the shed, he was one of the greats too, but again, not the greatest.  It is arguable that Secretariat's influence through his fillies exceeds Seattle Slew's in the breeding arena.

Man O'War was better than Slew both on the track and in the shed, and he had fewer mares to get top offspring from too.

Lmaris 07 Jul 2009 5:04 PM

That gave me a good chuckle:)

silverscrngirl 07 Jul 2009 5:06 PM

LOL!!! that was great. loved the Seattle Slew 'inferiority complex' comment. :) made my day

Lady Ruffian 07 Jul 2009 5:22 PM

A fun, creative commentary!

Karen in Texas 07 Jul 2009 5:30 PM

Funny you think Three Chimneys is your favorite.  They flat turned me down when I called for a tour (I really wanted to see Smarty, he was my high school hero down in Arkansas).  Of the farms I have been in contact with, I have to give props to Adena for being very friendly and accommodating. They actually seem excited to have visitors.

Other than that, great blog.  Gave me a few chuckles.

RachelSatterfield 07 Jul 2009 5:33 PM

That was great, I loved it!!

Brian A. 07 Jul 2009 5:42 PM

My favorites - Claiborne Farm and Old Friends

Buster08 07 Jul 2009 5:52 PM

wow, I have to keep calm in writing this. Comparing Smarty Jones to BB future success in the stud is like comparing a pound of gold to a pound of copper. The one guy has not had 2 quality colts  in his family in seventy years. One goes back to a producer of thousand stakes horses the other not much to brag about. The one we will probably standing in Pa in 5 years.

stanley marcinkowski, Plowville, Pa 07 Jul 2009 5:57 PM

Jason,

     After a long strange Triple Crown Season, This was the perfect way to put it to a close, With a little Humor!  Great Imagination and a few classic lines in there Jason, My Favorite, "You're right Jay. If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with."  Too damn funny, And, I would have to agree 100 percent with Smarty, He was the better of the two!, Good Job...

Welcome Back Draynay...

Greg J. 07 Jul 2009 5:57 PM

As a former Philadelphian myself who now lives in Lexington, I'm all for Smarty!  Yo dude, how'd you like to go out to Pat's Steaks and pick up a cheesesteak?  Or how about I bring you back a Tastykake next time I'm up there?  Luv ya, Smarty!

smartysgal 07 Jul 2009 6:09 PM

That was a great discourse. Keep them coming.  It makes us humans think what these horses are saying to each other and it's entertaining as well.  Instead of just stats, I would love to see a weekly conversation with various horses.  Great job!

Franes, NY NY 07 Jul 2009 6:11 PM

Very funny post Jason. We need a few laughs as so many bad things have happened in the last couple of weeks.Thanks and keep up the good work.

Rita 07 Jul 2009 6:25 PM

Very disappointed to here Point Given is beins shipped to Brazil!  I am taking a tour of Three Chimney's the first week in August and was so excited to see him!

dbjr8 07 Jul 2009 6:25 PM

Lmaris-

 Man O war Was GREAT, Secretariat was GREAT, Seattle Slew was GREAT!  Slew and MOW ran in different eras though, it is impossible to compare them.

As for breeding put Secretariat broodmare Weekend Surprise and Slew together and you come up with AP Indy....Can't do much better than that!  I love Secretariat, but in my opinion Slew was better in the breeding shed..

dbjr8 07 Jul 2009 6:29 PM

Loved the blog!  Three Chimneys was a new farm when we out there, we got the royal treatment from Claiborne.  That was in the day when they had Secretariat, Sir Ivor, Nijinsky, Spectacular Bid, Hoist the Flag, Coastal, Conquistador Cielo and others.  Damascus was on the farm but was pensioned and was not in the stallion barn.  As we went through the groom spent time with each stallion.  As I left I honestly felt that each horse was a personal friend.  I would like to go to Three Chimneys, but my memories of Claiborne are still so special.

Springsmom83 07 Jul 2009 6:40 PM

That was fun reading. Thank you. Big Brown is one of the great loves of my life so I hope Three Chimneys let's me see him. I also love Smarty by the way. But, if I was Rachel, I would not break my "engagement" to the Golden God that is Curlin. Sorry, no one can compare in looks or talent to the Mighty Curlin. So, keep on dreaming boys.

Ida Lee 07 Jul 2009 7:11 PM

That's so neat that you get to go and visit them Jason.  The commentary was great.Giving them personalities like that, what a great idea.  Thanks for your blog, I'll be reading Breeder's Cup Chat too!

Cheers,

Heather

(Everyone has their own idea of who the greatest racehorse is.)  

HLLIKINS 07 Jul 2009 7:17 PM

Oh I liked Big Brown so much. Won't forget him and can't wait to see how his babies make out.

marney 07 Jul 2009 7:19 PM

Made me laugh! Very funny and creative. Two wonderful horses without a doubt.

Paula Higgins 07 Jul 2009 8:36 PM

A nice change of pace.

Alex 07 Jul 2009 9:48 PM

I know what Smarty Jones means about waking up in cold sweats and playing the Belmont over and over in his head, even though it was five years ago ... I do the same thing. Constantly.  

Rachel Satterfield:

I hope you will give Three Chimneys another chance. Their tours are booked so far in advance because of Smarty Jones - last year there were over 25,000 visitors on tour, most of whom came to see Smarty. You should call at least 3 months in advance, 6 months for Derby week. The tour is well worth the wait. And at the conclusion, you may get to see a breeding session.

Soldier Course 07 Jul 2009 10:06 PM

Lol. That was great! I loved Brown and Smarty (Brown more though). Both were great colts and Smart is proving himself a good sire and Brown will be soon!

Brown Bomb 07 Jul 2009 10:06 PM

Well... hello everyone I have missed you all !  I wasn't far away and I stopped by from time to time to check on all of you and to see if there was anyone here who knew what they were talking about and I wasn't surprised.  Most of you were wrong as usual. lol. First of all you Zenayatta fans need to just stop talking about the California only horse.  Rachel is running times and blowing away fields at tracks across the country and Zenyatta is beating the same horses at the same local tracks... BIG DEAL.  Mr. Moss has decided to hang his whole year on one race.  If Rachel goes undefeated he is going to throw caution to the wind and run her in the BC Classic.  But he is waiting to see if Rachel slips up because if she does Moss will just play it safe and run her in the Distaff.  Folks, we are watching the greatest 3 year old filly EVER !  If Borel would let her run she could be breaking some of Secretariat's records.

Jason... did you miss me ?  I see you talked to Big Brown and who was the other horse ? Smart James or Jones or something like that.  Comparing him to Big Brown is like comparing Tom Kite to Tiger Woods. Smarty was a good horse but one dimensional and never raced past Belmont.  Big Brown accomplished even more and did it on only 2 good feet ! Winning from the 20 post in the Derby going four wide all the way around.... simply unreal.

Draynay 07 Jul 2009 10:37 PM

He's baaaaack!

Jason: nice post but too bad you had to use the love of Dray's life: Big Brown.  Were you lobbing him an easy one for his return?

mz 07 Jul 2009 10:58 PM

lol point given

thomas m 07 Jul 2009 11:05 PM

Slew was a great horse. Slew tore thorugh his competition with relative ease the second greatest horse from a mile and less only to the great Dr. Fager who without question is THE GREATEST RACEHORSE OF ALL-TIME at a Mile or less no horse could ever and would ever beat him at 1 mile or less. Secretariat greatest at 1 1/8 and up, just got faster and faster but still not fast enough to catch the Doc on any given day at a mile or less. The Doc would never be caught NEVER at a mile or less GUARANTEED.

Vic 07 Jul 2009 11:06 PM

Very funny conversation Jason!! Loved it!

Has it really been a month already???

Racingfan 07 Jul 2009 11:21 PM

I missed you Draynay. Not quite the same without you.

RA is an amazing horse and she is in the zone now. Could she beat Zenyatta in a match race right now? Probably, but it sure wouldn't be by 20 lengths. On the other hand, if they had a match race at the end of the season, I wouldn't bet against Zenyatta. Remember, RA has lost races. She has been beaten.

We have not seen the bottom of Zenyatta yet. I think you underestimate Zenyatta Draynay.

If Zenyatta wins the BC Classic and we have an undefeated RA for the rest of the season, who gets HOTY??? That would be a decision I would not want to make. Probably not going to happen that way though.

As for Smarty Jones, you have got to be kidding. That was one great horse. I loved Big Brown too, but geesh, Smarty came so close to winning the Triple Crown it was heartbreaking and heart stopping.

Paula Higgins 07 Jul 2009 11:49 PM

Holy crap!  I actual am in agreement with Draynay about something...I'm not sure what to do with myself now.  Rachel is the greatest 3 year old filly ever and I believe she'll continue to prove it as the year goes on.  She could very well turn out to be one of the greatest we've ever seen, sex and age not even taken into account (I think Zenyatta won't catch her).  However, I think Smarty could take Big Brown.  I never was a fan of Big Brown and actually hoped he'd lose the Belmont because I didn't find him worthy (neither did the racing gods evidently).  

RachelSatterfield 08 Jul 2009 12:27 AM

I thought Smarty's Preakness was the best ever, even friends who never got into racing were very  excited about that, but then again I say Slew win the Belmont way back when.

Wilde Cheri 08 Jul 2009 12:42 AM

every time i am in Ky I go to Claiborne farm, three chimmeys and old friends they are very speciel places Darlene.

darlene 08 Jul 2009 12:43 AM

Back In The day when I was younger Three Chimneys Showed me Rahy Before he was Rahy.

I got to see Slew..Back turned not interested And for my added Bonus he crapped with his back turned.It was a great day.

Gradavee 08 Jul 2009 4:16 AM

I'd have to agree with Point Given.

Jeff 08 Jul 2009 4:52 AM

Yep, give Three Chimneys another chance. I'd also recommend several ideas. First, go in the off season. It'll be colder, maybe bad weather, but fewer people in your group. Also, try Wintergreen and Airdrie. We went there (my wife and I) and weren't part of a tour - just looking (we had made prior arrangements). Unbelievable experience. Claiborne was ok, but that, and Three Chimneys, were definately "tour" experiences. At Wintergreen and Airdrie we were able to spend about an hour one-on-one with the stallion manager, not a tour guide. You won't see $100,000 horses at Wintergreen (and Walmac, that was great  too) but you'll learn more and and it's more personal.

TomF 08 Jul 2009 8:14 AM

Good to have you back Dray.

Dave the Draynay Fan 08 Jul 2009 8:59 AM

That gave me a good laugh!

Majella from Ireland 08 Jul 2009 9:17 AM

When we were at Three Chimneys in May, Ann Hays was telling us that Smarty and BB get lots of fan mail. Smarty even had a delivery from Harry & David's, so now every year he gets his own catalogue in the mail!

She also said Father's Day is really big for fan mail for all the horses. They post many of the letters on the bulletin board. Fun reading!

Barbara W 08 Jul 2009 9:57 AM

Uh, Draynay, thanks for completely missing the point of the article.  After a strange and disappointing TC season, it was nice to have something to smile about.  And as far as BB goes, (and I loved his TC bid) let's remember War Admiral's Belmont.  He ran, and won, after pulling off his shoe and a good part of his hoof.  He ran, and won, bleeding so much there was blood dripping off his belly.  What was Big Brown's excuse?

Secretstuff 08 Jul 2009 10:28 AM

Jason, thanks for the laugh!

Three Chimneys is my favorite farm also, not just because they treat the fans so well, but they really take good care of the horses too.

Karen in Indiana 08 Jul 2009 10:51 AM

Ashford Stud has a very nice tour, and they give you goodies as well. There's hats, DVDs, and a handy pen on a rope to take home.

Hopewell Farm has a special, quiet beauty, and they are very courteous to visitors. Skip Away is there, as well as a white Thoroughbred (as of May 2008).

Soldier Course 08 Jul 2009 11:01 AM

Dray - I hate to say it -but it hasn't been quite the same without you.  

Welcome back from exile, Bonnie Prince Charlie!

Oh - and how's this for a two-fer:  I agree with Dray on Zenyatta - if she doesn't run against someone new (the boys) or step out of CA to Delaware and challenge Rachel to meet her - she will not be taken seriously for HOY.

Rachel is all I knew she would be when I started watching her next year - hoping she goes in the Travers.....unless Zenyatta would come to DE.  Travers would put her up against the stiffest challenges - and would be a heck of a race to watch and wager!

Cgriff 08 Jul 2009 11:16 AM

If I'm not mistaken, Zenyatta never raced at 2.  Did she race at 3? Had she run at 2, she probably would have lost too. My point is, Rachel started racing as a baby.  Yes, she lost races because she was a baby and learning to run.  May I remind  you also that Cigar didn't run well until he was 5.  He lost a ton of races.  Comparing Rachel and Zenyatta is impossible.  Both are amazing.  It can only be settled on the track and that won't happen.

As far as Smarty and BB, sorry, no one will ever convince me that Smarty is not the better horse.  He was just something special.  He had a presence like no other.  The entire country was behind him and he generated more excitement in horse racing than I have ever seen and I've been around it for over 40 years.

Three Chimmneys is a great farm!  I visited there in 1988 and 1989.

The stallion manager then was Dan Rosenberg who took the time to talk to me for an hour about horses and racing.  He was wonderful and I was treated to a tour and even saw Slew bred to an Argentinian mare.  I also went to Claiborne, Calumet, Gainesway, Walmac, Lanes End and Stone Farm.

All the farms were very accomodating.  I simply wrote a few months ahead and let them know when I would be there and was given a time and date to visit.

Draynay, glad you're back!  We've missed those "insightful" responses!

MonicaV 08 Jul 2009 11:17 AM

does anyone know about Darley Stud? I would love to meet STREET SENSE the Great someday. He would have CRUSHED little Brown

I love Mine That Bird 08 Jul 2009 11:25 AM

Very funny, Jason.  I agree with whoever said there should be a weekly conversation with horses, because some of us get tired just listening to the humans all the time.

How about talking to Rachel and Zen to get their take on each other and a possible showdown?  We also want to hear from Stardom Bound.  How is she doing on the farm?  Is she bored or just waiting patiently for a date with Big Brown?

Pam S. 08 Jul 2009 11:34 AM

Secret Stuff. Big Brown had no excuse, he wasn't allowed to run the way he wanted

mburry 08 Jul 2009 11:39 AM

Hey Draynay

Welcome back.  In case you forgot the reason you got kicked off here was becasue YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, and it looks like all your FANS did.

With regards to Rachel travelling around the country blowing away fields, I have a feeling that her connections are looking for a race with only one other competitor in it this time.

I also have a feeling that it will only be a matter of time until you find another bandwagon to jump on and then once again we'll have to endure you expert comments.

LAZMANNICK 08 Jul 2009 11:47 AM

Monica V

If I believe correctly, Cigar didn't really become the horse he was until they raced him excusively on dirt.  I know in the beginning they thought he was best suited for grass.

As far as Rachel racing and losing at two, there are many reasons for this and one of them probably was her size.  She is a big horse and they take a lot of time for their body coordination to develope properly.

LAZMANNICK 08 Jul 2009 11:53 AM

I love Mine That Bird:

I have been on Darley's farm tour. They are very nice. Just call for an appointment. One of my favorite moments there was seeing Henny Hughes getting his bath.

In addition to the stallions, you will have the honor of seeing Affirmed's burial site and the pleasure of seeing Darley's breathtaking trophy case. I couldn't take my eyes off Darley's Preakness trophy, a replica of the Woodlawn Vase. It positively glowed. There is also a beautiful family photograph of Sheikh Mohammed and his wife Princess Haya in the reception area.

The staff is very courteous. I admired the sandals our guide was wearing. After the tour was over, she came up to me and gave me the name of the shoe brand and the Lexington shoe store where she had gotten her sandals. Next day I went shoe shoppin'! I am wearing those sandals right now.

Soldier Course 08 Jul 2009 12:12 PM

I should have mentioned the name of the white Thoroughbred at Hopewell Farm. He is The White Fox.

Soldier Course 08 Jul 2009 12:13 PM

Hey ! Paula, MonicaV, Cgriff, and Dave the Draynay Fan thank you ! Its great to be back and know I missed a little...lol.  SecretStuff I don't want to turn this into a Big Brown battle so I will just say this... Everyone saw the pictures of him getting stepped on and getting his shoe bent.  The evidence that I have that this caused him to lose the Belmont is EVERY OTHER RACE he was ever in.  He won them all with ease with 4 good shoes on his feet.  I believe he beat the Belmont winner by 20 lengths a few weeks earlier so you figure it out.

RACHEL ALEXANDRA is the best horse running right now male or female young or old. Don't get me wrong folks I tease Zenyatta a bit but she is a very nice horse but she isn't setting any records and her light races to the Breeders Cup this year is not endearing me to her. I thought Rachel was the best horse since March but someone who shall remain nameless would not even allow me to talk about her because she was not going to the Derby.  Well now its time to talk about the greatest 3 year old Filly ever.  She has done things already this year you will never see a 3 year old filly do again. This is a once in a 100 year filly so sit back relax and enjoy. Did you see her run a 133 mile like it was nothing ??? Who can do that ? Wow... is all I can say... Hey I understand you Derby mud winner fans get to see your horse soon in the (G3) West Virginia Back Yard Apple Pie Stakes.  Think he can win that very prestigious race ?

I think they are showing the race on the Hee Haw Network so check your local listings.

draynay 08 Jul 2009 12:15 PM

MonicaV,

     I believe this is the only time Zenyatta ran as a three year old, Breaking her maiden on Nov. 22, 2008 at Hollywood Park:

www.youtube.com/watch

Greg J. 08 Jul 2009 12:25 PM

Great to hear Seattle Slew mentioned.  Secretariat may have been just the better racehorse but they were both awesome!  

But c'mon as a Stallion, Slew was in a different league.  A great sire of sires and he is still getting great broodmares! Secretariat's broodmares sons never matched Cigar did they?  An incomparable racehorse! Seattle Slew's stallion sons are very good at getting great stallion sons too and his name looks set to live on for a long, long time!

Secretariat did get some good broodmares but without Slew's consistency and his Stallion sons flopped at stud!  Slew got better racehorses overall too!

They are both all time greats and both managed what so many failed to do!  i.e. winning the Triple Crown!  Lets praise them both for bringing so much joy!!!!  We won't see their like again very often, if at all!

Thank God for Seattle Slew and Secretariat!!!!

Abbie Knowles 08 Jul 2009 12:28 PM

Fun, fun, and fun!!!!  They are ALL wonderful.

Lynn 08 Jul 2009 12:41 PM

Great job. It sounds like something stallions would acuttaly talk about. Dont forget Big Brown you were sterioded every month on the 15th. Thats why you did so well. Smarty had a heart of gold and a passion for racing. Smarty deserves to be immortilized anyway. He was a few feet away! Rachel is huge and I dont think she could coordinate her feet when it came to racing.

HopeforaTripleCrown 08 Jul 2009 12:58 PM

Welcome back, Draynay.

Soldier Course 08 Jul 2009 1:04 PM

Did all of you see where Anabaa has died? I am so sorry to hear this.

I visited Castleton Lyons Farm in 2007 and had the privilege of seeing Anabaa there. My last glimpse was seeing him running back up to the top of his paddock, dark tail streaming behind him. It was a beautiful, memorable sight.

Rest in peace, lovely Anabaa.

Soldier Course 08 Jul 2009 1:17 PM

Smarty Jones, and Big Brown....what a match race that would've been huh?  Both horses accomplished a lot on the track, and are both wonderful horses. I can relate to the 2004 Belmont which had me feeling both bitter, and sad. Smarty deserved to win that Belmont.....Oh I better stop before I get angry all over again. You left your heart on the track that day Smarty, and oh what a big heart that is!

Fun reading article, thanks.

Tony 08 Jul 2009 1:23 PM

No contest when comparing Slew to Big Red in terms of who was the better stallion. Slew wins by a KO.

MikeM 08 Jul 2009 1:37 PM

Dray,

   Welcome Back, I just wanted to remind you of a few of your now infamous quotes about the Belmont...

"To think Summer Bird is on par with CC is laughable at best."

"With the expected pace and rested horses running the Fluke is 5th best in this race."

"I was thinking about handicapping the race with one hand tied behind my back and one eye closed but Jason didn't want me to look like I was showing off.  Believe me I will have plenty to say when you amateurs finally make your 3 losing picks.LOL"

    Well, I can't really add much more Dray, Your quotes speak for themselves, But, Seriously, Just having a little fun with you, Looking forward to the banter back and forth...

Greg J. 08 Jul 2009 1:38 PM

Goldikova, by Anabaa, has won the Falmouth Stakes in Newmarket.

Soldier Course 08 Jul 2009 1:46 PM

I forgot to mention that my wife and I visited Three Chimney's Farm in May of 2005. We were very lucky that day as we got the rare opportunity to witness Dynaformer mount a mare. It was the week prior to the 2005 Preakness which Afleet Alex won in spectacular fashion. if you guys and gals ever get the chance to visit Three Chimney's, please go; you wont be disappointed.

Tony 08 Jul 2009 1:50 PM

That was a neat article.  Being from Philly, I'm a big Smarty fan, but that doesn't mean that I don't love Big Brown also!  One of these days I'm getting out there to see them both.  I STILL get upset every time I think of Smarty's Belmont.  What a horse he is!

Debbie O'Connor 08 Jul 2009 1:56 PM

I see mr. knowitall is back. What a shame. I wonder if he saw his beloved smooth air got it handed to him again by a questionable group of G3 runners most of who came out of last years pathetic 3 yr old crop. smooth air can add that to this years resume along with the beating he took in a very minor restricted stakes race earlier in the year. Looks like mr. knowitall was wrong about a horse again. I'm not a bit surprised.  

gw_bushwacker 08 Jul 2009 2:11 PM

I was at Canterbury Park on the Fourth of July and I swear I had a draynay sighting. Canterbury runs a weiner dog race on the Fourth every year. At the conclusion of the race there was an almost hysterical crazyman running around yelling. He kept repeating it was a fluke, it was a fluke!! Apparently his weiner dog (if you can call them dogs) was one of the losers of the race. He kept yelling his dog had run the fastest 3/4 of a hundred yards fraction in his "prep races" and it was a fluke that the dog on the rail (coincidently named calvin) came flying by near the 80 yd. pole to blow him away. He forgot to mention the other 7 dogs who buried his too. Tell me it ain't so but this sure looks like a nay nay sighting to me.

slyder 08 Jul 2009 2:19 PM

He's all yours folks!!!!!!!!!

draynays better half 08 Jul 2009 2:21 PM

hey this was funny, i loove big brown and smarty.

and i have to agree with draynay, rachel is the best. thats exactly what i said. zenyatta keeps beating the same old california horses. not to take anything away from her i do love her, but i didnt see her win the preakness. and whoop the boys.

olivia newman 08 Jul 2009 2:39 PM

Still sitting here with an idiot grin on my face, because I'm a huge Curlin fan and I know Curlin would've torn BB into itty bitty little pieces...so BB has to "boast" :p ;) .

Oh, BB...your trainer's being a bad boy and a jerk. Again.

MtBFan (STILL) 08 Jul 2009 2:39 PM

Smarty's throwing winner after winner ...

7/20/2008 Monmouth Park, mdn sp wgt, $22,200, 5 f, 0:58.16. ($60,000, yrlg, 2007, keesep) Keefer (c, 2yo), Smarty Jones - Shootforthestars by Seattle Slew

8/28/2008 Saratoga, mdn sp wgt, $37,200, 5.5 f, 1:04.42. ($325,000, yrlg, 2007, keesep) Be Smart (f, 2yo), Smarty Jones - Eishin Bridle by Unbridled

9/21/2008 Belmont Park, mdn sp wgt, $31,200, 7 f, 1:20.71. ($35,000, yrlg, 2007, keesep; $165,000, 2yo, 2008, obsmar) Go Smarty Go (c, 2yo), Smarty Jones - Sarah's World by Holy Bull

11/5/2008 Meadowlands, mdn sp wgt, $22,200, 8.3 f, 1:43.46. Rockland (c, 2yo), Smarty Jones - Wiscasset by Kris S

12/20/2008 Calder Race Course, alwc, $11,199, 8.5 f, 1:43.20. Rockland (c, 2yo), Smarty Jones - Wiscasset by Kris S

1/3/2009 Laurel Race Course, mdn clmg, $9,120, 7 f, 1:28.37. Second Glance (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Worth A Look by Sword Dance (IRE)

1/5/2009 Philadelphia Park, mdn clmg, $10,200, 5.5 f, 1:04.92. Me You And Her (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Toi Et Moi by Deputy Minister

1/7/2009 Turfway Park, mdn clmg, $5,400, 8 f, 1:45.16. Run Smart One (c, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Literary Light by Ide

2/14/2009 Gulfstream Park, mdn sp wgt, $26,000, 7 f, 1:23.74. ($400,000, yrlg, 2007, keesep) Chef (c, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Take The Cake by Fly So Free

2/28/2009 Gulfstream Park, mdn clmg, $15,600, 6 f, 1:11.78. Smarty Bull (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Bam Bam Bull by Holy Bull

3/26/2009 Laurel Race Course, mdn sp wgt, $13,680, 8.5 f, 1:45.60. ($130,000, yrlg, 2007, keesep) Keep Me In Mind (c, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Bells Are Ringing by Sadler's Wells

4/1/2009 Laurel Race Course, mdn sp wgt, $15,960, 5.5 f, 1:06.06. ($110,000, yrlg, 2007, ftmoct) Sarah Cataldo (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Mescalina by Smarten

4/11/2009 Philadelphia Park, mdn sp wgt, $24,000, 6 f, 1:10.94. ($350,000, wnlg, 2006, keenov) Ritzy Jones (c, 3yo), Smarty Jones - So Ritzy by Darn That Alarm

4/11/2009 Philadelphia Park, str alwc, $15,000, 8.3 f, 1:44.79. Me You And Her (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Toi Et Moi by Deputy Minister

4/16/2009 Keeneland, mdn sp wgt, $31,180, 7 f, 1:26.83. Artisan (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Alchemilla by Deputy Minister

5/1/2009 Churchill Downs, mdn sp wgt, $29,425, 8 f, 1:37.44. Kiddari (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - La Paz by Hold Your Peace

5/2/2009 Philadelphia Park, str alwc, $15,000, 8.3 f, 1:43.63. Me You And Her (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Toi Et Moi by Deputy Minister

5/9/2009 Finger Lakes, mdn clmg, $5,000, 5.5 f, 1:07.02. ($150,000, yrlg, 2007, ftkjul) Georgiana (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Must Be A Lady by Lord At War (ARG)

5/9/2009 Pimlico, alwc, $17,000, 5 f, 0:59.46. ($110,000, yrlg, 2007, ftmoct) Sarah Cataldo (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Mescalina by Smarten

5/10/2009 Pimlico, mdn clmg, $7,980, 5 f, 1:00.30. Smarty Marty (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Frozen Rope by Clever Trick

5/12/2009 Delaware Park, clmg, $8,400, 8.3 f, 1:43.35. Run Smart One (c, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Literary Light by Ide

5/14/2009 Golden Gate Fields, mdn clmg, $10,200, 5.5 f, 1:04.70. ($15,000, yrlg, 2007, keesep) Smart Sugar (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Ashraaf by Deputy Minister

5/16/2009 Monmouth Park, mdn clmg, $10,200, 8 f, 1:39.51. ($110,000, 2yo, 2008, obsapr) Smart Justice (c, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Sheza Honey by Honey Jay

5/16/2009 Belmont Park, mdn sp wgt, $25,800, 7 f, 1:23.54. Dr. Smarty Jack (c, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Hoh Buzzard (IRE) by =Alhaarth (IRE)

6/8/2009 Delaware Park, clmg, $9,000, 8.5 f, 1:47.11. Run Smart One (c, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Literary Light by Ide

6/11/2009 Churchill Downs, mdn sp wgt, $23,640, 5 f, 0:57.87. ($250,000, yrlg, 2008, keesep) Backtalk (c, 2yo), Smarty Jones - Apasionata Sonata by Affirmed

6/13/2009 Churchill Downs, alwc, $30,580, 7 f, 1:23.58. Kiddari (f, 3yo), Smarty Jones - La Paz by Hold Your Peace

6/13/2009 Hollywood Park, mdn sp wgt, $27,600, 6.5 f, 1:15.78. ($600,000, yrlg, 2007, keesep) I'll Show Them (g, 3yo), Smarty Jones - Top Rung by Seattle Slew

In comparison, Big Brown POS will probably sire a bunch of unsound progeny.

TheBigVirginian 08 Jul 2009 2:58 PM

Thank you Soldier Course! I appreciate it... but it will be a while before I get to meet HIM!

I love Mine That Bird 08 Jul 2009 3:02 PM

Welcome back Draynay. HIS name is Mine That Bird, not Derby mud winner or fluke. And you should MIND that bird. He seemed to do okay in the TC, don't you think? 1-2-3!

I think lots of good horses run in smaller races to prep for big ones...

Rachel and Zen are great, but I am hoping for MTB---HOTY!! :)

i love Mine That Bird 08 Jul 2009 3:08 PM

"we are watching the greatest 3yo filly ever"...what??. She barely beat the so-called "fluke" in the Preakness... Yup,let's welcome back the most misguided,ill informed Attic King out there.... Draynay!!

See,some things never change.

Carlos in Cali 08 Jul 2009 3:10 PM

Greg J,

    I thought Zenyatta raced twice as a three year old.

LDP 08 Jul 2009 3:12 PM

Haa Haa now that was funny. It must be nice having the special ability to communicate that you have.

Golden Gate 08 Jul 2009 3:28 PM

I loved your TCT between SJ and BB; I have no doubt they think like that having met both of them.

I visited Three Chimneys and OF in April among other horse farms and saw many horses including Point Given, Smarty and Big Brown. I was also fortunate enough to see BB mate with a mare--that was exciting and quite informative. The folks at TC were fantastic, funny, and friendly. Smarty is a lot smaller in person but beautiful and sure of himself, while Big Brown was an absolutely gorgeous horse, beautiful conformation and kind disposition. You are treated to so much attenton (as are the horses) at Old Friends; it's a great place!

sushyne 08 Jul 2009 3:30 PM

LDP,

   You are correct, She won her second as a three year old in a allowance race on December 15, 2007, My Mistake...

Greg J. 08 Jul 2009 3:40 PM

If you think Smarty Jones is having bad dreams and night sweats just think about Real Quiet who is probably having to take Restoril to even try and get some sleep. A nose...barely a nose. That's probably what runs through his head!

Julie L. 08 Jul 2009 4:09 PM

Hey Dray, just wanted to get your thoughts on See the Stars, because you said that RA is the best horse running now, male or female.  On dirt she wins, on poly or grass he wins.  To me it is a toss between these two of who the best horse in the world is.

Oh, and just to let everyone know, i will be dropping the draynay fan from my name, and going back to just Dave.  I did it to let everyone know whose camp i was in, and now can go back to just my name.  So if you see it says Dave, you know it was me the Draynay fan.

Dave the Draynay Fan 08 Jul 2009 4:23 PM

Dray you never awnsered my question! Who would win between a heathly Quality Road and Rachael Alexander. BIG BROWN was a streriod horse and the only reason he won at the 20 hole because he was juicing aka rick D suspended again! Rick just had better juice then the competition!

It aint easy being good! 08 Jul 2009 4:27 PM

I visited Three Chimneys twice in the heat of summer-and in the days of Seattle Slew (and Slew O' Gold and Capote too).  In 99 Silver Charm-a new arrival-was in a paddock and showed his clownish side.  A very classy operation and welcoming.  At the end of the day, SEATTLE SLEW in his bearing and presence had NO doubt where he stood in overall greatness!

joe 08 Jul 2009 4:50 PM

Oops!  Welcome back Dray, but I completely forgot about you while you were away.  I can't believe that it has been a month.

Springsmom83 08 Jul 2009 5:08 PM

Very clever and funny article, Jason.  Just had to laugh at the thought of Smarty and Brown glaring at Seattle Slew's statue!  Welcome back, Draynay!  One thing I will always love you for is your love for Big Brown. Your are right - SecretStuff, Big Brown has no need for an excuse - his jockey jerked him up and made him walk to the finish line. Not much the horse could do about that.

I am planning a trip to Kentucky this fall to tour some farms and would love to hear some recommendations.  SoldierCourse you sound really knowledgeable about where to go - any tips would be appreciated.

TerriV 08 Jul 2009 5:35 PM

Great article Jason, can't wait for the BC blogg to begin.

I visited Three Chimneys, they were great to us. I also got to visit Lanes End and Calumet and they too were great.  My favorite experiences were seeing Alydar and Mr Prospector. I also got to visit Easy Goer in his paddock; he died way too young.

RGGC 08 Jul 2009 6:12 PM

Hey Dray ... Guess you have never bet Mountaineer Park. They have some very good payouts and big fields most of the time. Don't cut 'em down

mburry 08 Jul 2009 6:28 PM

Hello all!

Been away for awhile building on my new barn.

Jason, great fun! Love them both.

Dray, welcome back, I think.lol

Greg J.,

Hey there! Guess what? Since, I live here in VA and I'm going to have some time off, I'm going to go to Colonial Downs and watch Nicanor in the Virginia Derby. Can't wait! I'm also going to take my 6 year old nephew with me. The kid is amazing. We were watching TVG yesterday and I asked him to pick two horses in race 5 at Finger Lakes and he gave me the 6/2 exacta and we came in about $500 so I told him I would take him with me to see Nicanor.  It will be his first time to the races.  He is so excited.  Me too!

Oh, by the way, what do you think about Grazin?  There is something about this horse that I really like. I've watched him since he broke his maiden.  His last race seemed pretty special to me. Quite the good looking gray son of Benchmark. What do you think?

Horswld 08 Jul 2009 7:01 PM

Yup...Big Brown's shoe was coming off. That was kind of an issue.

Hey, Dray...MtB was the top Canadian 2 y/o, he won the Derby 50-1 and he came up from behind with one impressive speed rally from the rail, and he held onto RA with a better pace and performance than the exhausted filly could. RA is good against fillies but, if we can tell from 1 race, mediocre against colts. She won the Mother Goose against TWO FILLIES. Two of the four horse field scratched. Not much of a challenge, huh?

Not every race has to be on ESPN or have a big blanket of roses to count. The W. VA Derby can be a nice, moderate prep for Mine to take the Travers and kill everyone in the Classic. :D

MtBFan (STILL) 08 Jul 2009 7:28 PM

TerriV:

Always glad to give some tips about my favorite place in the world: Lexington.

1. Plan ahead. Start now, particularly if you're going to Lexington during the Keeneland Fall Meet.

2.  Call the Lexington Visitor's Center and ask them to send you two copies of the Visitor's Guide. Inside is an invaluable map of Lexington, showing the location of all the horse farms.

3.   There are two ways to see the farms, and both have their advantages. One way is to take a guided van tour of some of the horse farms. The Kentucky Horse Park sponsors a van tour that is excellent. The only way to see some of the farms, like Donamire, is to take a van tour. If you have the time, you could schedule van tours with more than one company, as this would not be a waste of time. You'll always learn something.

4.   The other way to see some of the horse farms is to call each farm you want to visit and schedule a private appointment. A private appointment can consist of a tour of the stallion barn or a visit with a particular stallion. Your map is key here, because you need to cluster your farm visits by location. Otherwise you'll end up like I did on my first visit, with a farm tour in Midway at 10:00 and one in Paris at 11:00, 20 miles apart. Here's a good cluster for Lexington-Midway: Three Chimneys, Hopewell Farm, Darley, Mill Ridge, and Ashford Stud. A cluster for the Paris area: Claiborne Farm, Adena Springs, Castleton Lyons.

5.  Call Three Chimneys Farm in the morning. Ask to speak with Ann Hayes to schedule a farm tour. You don't want to get shut out of Three Chimneys. They are booked way in advance.  

6.   You also will want to see WinStar Farm. Their policy about private visits tends to change from year to year. You may have WinStar on your van tour, so be sure to ask about this. If the van tour does not go to WinStar, call the farm directly and good luck. The point here is that you want to see Tiznow.

I'll continue with this later. Jason, thanks for letting TerriV and I chat about this on the blog.    

Soldier Course 08 Jul 2009 9:11 PM

The Big Virginian:

Thanks for the listing of Smarty's winners.

Soldier Course 08 Jul 2009 9:41 PM

You can make a case for many horses, in my opinion most notably Candy Ride,  but, I would have little argument if one chose either Smarty Jones or Big Brown as the "best since Bid"...I think Brownie actually lost some luster with those two lackluster wins after his disastrous Belmont---indeed his Belmont was an even bigger upset than Bids Belmont, at least Bid had competition, But Big Brown ran some of the most eye catching races I have ever seen by a young three year old! Smarty Jones, to me, rates higher, much higher, on racing's all-time scale...for he is a horse that truly was a "victim" of sorts, victim of a weird jockey gang up, as well as a poor ride, especially the way he was ridden out in his "tour de force" Preakness....Smarty Jones, in my humble opinion, was one of the ten greatest horses to ever look through a bridle.....kinda like Rachel, really, not beating much but you get the sense that they could...

Matthew W 08 Jul 2009 9:48 PM

I just read this after being with my father in the ICU unit of the hospital, so needless to say -  its been a bad day, but this made me smile and laugh out loud!  I love the idea of Rachel and Curlin!

It also makes me wonder how these two felt about seeing Secretariat's statue in the paddock at Belmont....

THANKS AGAIN for this!

BigRed#1A 08 Jul 2009 9:58 PM

A match race between Smarty and Big Brown? Wow. Tough call. Both had similar running styles and were sensational 3YOs. Along with PG, maybe the best of the decade. Maybe I'll ask John Servis his humble opinion. I would ask Dutrow too but his name and humble do not go together in the same sentence.

Put a gun to my head and I'd take...Smarty.

jshandler 08 Jul 2009 10:01 PM

The Hollywood Gold Cup runneth over with horses, angles, stories this year--biggest field since Quack?? (COOOOO--WHACK! as Harry Hensen said at top of the stretch in 1972)--HAD to be a top ten all-time two-turn 1 1/4 race, and by a three year old, late bloomer, unsound horse, Bwamazon Farm.....kinda rootin for Bobby with his longshot Mast Track...think that filly Life Is Sweet will be the race favorite but look out for Shug---Hollywood plays like dirt and seems like they're always filling it with dirt...used to be a helluve race, was at the finish line in '77 Crystal Water/Cascapedia/Caucasus/Ancient Title and at the 1/8 pole in '78 Exceller/Text/Vigors/J O Tobin, both named races of year in North America....

Matthew W 08 Jul 2009 10:11 PM

Matthew W:

Thank you for those wonderful words about Smarty Jones. It broke my heart to see Jerry Bailey/Eddington and Gary Stevens/Rock Hard Ten gang up on the poor horse like that. What did they accomplish?

In my heart, Smarty will always be a Triple Crown winner. The first time I saw him at Three Chimneys in May 2005, he seemed a little blue, like he was missing the track.

Smarty went through so much when he fractured his skull in the gate at Philadelphia Park in 2003. It was several hours before he got to the equine clinic. But once he was admitted Dr. Patricia Hogan and her team sure took excellent care of him. What a trooper he was.  

Soldier Course 08 Jul 2009 10:15 PM

The filly with the "you missed a spot blaze" will have an eight length lead on the "black shark", alas, dirt's not gonna save her!...."missed a spot", so pretty, so good, better run against the boys to prepare for her....

Matthew W 08 Jul 2009 10:28 PM

TerriV:

Continuing ...

7.  I would recommend a combination of van tours and private tours for your visit. For some of the farms, the only way to see them is on a van tour. The guides, especially Shaun Washington with the KHP van tour, are very good. You'll learn a lot. And Shaun likes to stop for ice cream at Wallace Station in Midway! I like to take a van tour on the first day of the trip because I'm tired of driving. The van tours can take between 3-5 hours. Most of the individual farms I mentioned in my previous comment still welcome private visitors.

8.  Have breakfast in the Track Kitchen at Keeneland and then walk down the shedrow, past the training track, and up to the main track. You can easily spend half a day or more just walking around Keeneland. There's a wonderful gift shop. Most of the van tours also go to Keeneland.

9.  You can go to Old Friends and the Kentucky Horse Park on the same day, as they are near one another. I like to do the Old Friends tour in the am (@ 1 hour), have lunch at Sam's Truck Stop, and then go to the Park for the rest of the day.

10.  If you have time, visit Woodford Reserve Distillery. It's not far from Ashford Stud, so you could plan those two visits together. Allow about 30 minutes to get from one to the other because getting to Woodford's a bit tricky.

11.   I spend most of my time with the horses, but there are a few shops worth mentioning. If you love books, you must visit the Joseph-Beth Booksellers. Next to it is Artique Jewelry and Gifts. Downtown is L. V. Harkness Jewelers and Gifts. In the Chevy Chase District is John's Classic Shoes. My grandmother used to tell me that the legs are the last to go, so I always buy some snappy shoes at John's. If you like tack and fine leather items, there's Quillin's in Paris, on the main street.

Have a great trip and give Smarty a big kiss for me.      

Soldier Course 08 Jul 2009 10:58 PM

Hrsewld - I posted about that horse, but couldn't get a "bite".  I really like the high cruising speed in conjunction with relaxation on the lead.  Saw him for the first time in the Affirmed.

Kat 08 Jul 2009 11:38 PM

The column was a lot of fun. I often wonder what these wonderful animals are thinking!

Re Rachel Alexandra being the best filly ever, hold on a minute. How about Dahlia? his multi-champion mare beat 9 Classic colts in her career and won on dirt and turf in Ireland, England, France, Canada and the USA. Dance Smartly won the the BC Distaff, beat colts in winning the Canadian Triple Crown and was undefeated at 3 at distances up to 1-1/2 miles. Shuvee  won the two-mile Jockey Club Gold Cup, not once, but twice.

Here are more great mares: All Along and Allez France (both winners of the Arc), Gamely, Regret,  Busher,  Gallorette, Twlight Tear, the coal black Imp, Lady's Secret, etc, all of whom beat the best colts and fillies of their time. People's memories are short, apparently, to put Rachel ahead of these truly great mares!

Rachel has shown brilliance, but she still has a ways to go before she can be considered in the same class as these greats.

Terry 09 Jul 2009 2:43 AM

So glad Draynay is back.  As usual, he makes one salient point (RA v. Zenyatta) and one ridiculous statement (Big Brown v. Smarty Jones).  

2:24 09 Jul 2009 9:09 AM

Arguing who is the greatest filly of all time is a no-win battle.  Everybody has their opinions.  One fact, however, is that Rachel Alexandra has done enough already to be considered in the argument.  Certainly she has accomplished more impressive feats in her 3 year old campaign than did Ruffian and Ruffian is certainly one of the greats.  RA's Oaks, Preakness, and Mother Goose trifecta is one of the most impressive feats accomplished.  The way she destroys competition that she should destroy and then beats males when not at her best is the sign of greatness.  Even if she loses a race this year, she already should be horse of the year.  That aside, I think she'll take on the boys again and will win (assuming Quality Road doesn't show up in his pre-Derby form) and I am thankful that I get to see her race.

Also folks, if any believe Zenyatta would beat Rachel on a neutral dirt track at any distance, I believe those folks to be sorely mistaken.

2:24 09 Jul 2009 9:16 AM

Jay, the horse of the decade was Bernardini, but PG could be second.

Dave 09 Jul 2009 10:19 AM

Thank you so much for all the wonderful info, SoldierCourse.  I have been to the Kentucky Horse Park many times as I used to live in southern Ohio and it was a quick trip - but there are some new stallions since I was last there so I have to stop in.  I'm all about the horses on this trip.  You have been a great help.  

One another note: Smarty VS Big Brown.  That is just too tough - I couldn't begin to decide.  Love them both way too much.  It's the same way I feel about Rachel and Zenyatta - Just too hard to pick only one.  So I'm just going to love them all.

TerriV 09 Jul 2009 10:33 AM

Horswld,

    Hey there!, Sounds like your 6 year old Nephew can pick them better then Draynay!, I can't wait for the Virginia Derby, On pins and needles though!, I am looking forward to being at Colonial Downs, I have heard it is an amazing track! The field is incredible, Nicanor sure will have his hands full, A HUGE step up for him, I still believe he can pull it off...

      Everyone, Watch CBS on Saturday July 18 at 5 p.m.(Eastern), I guarantee Nicanor will be their top story, The field is amazing, like I said.

    The Probables for the Virginia Derby:  Nicanor, Battle of Hastings, Straight Story, Lime Rickey, Hold Me Back, Florentino, El Crespo, Affirmatif and Colonel Rutledge....That is my order of Finish...

    On Grazen, I think he is a great looking gray with a huge future, His win in the Affirmed Handicap was quite impressive, It looked too easy for him!, He has a great pedigree and his sire Benchmark sure looks like he is turning out to be Alydar's best son as far as being a Stallion.

Greg J. 09 Jul 2009 10:36 AM

I'd take Smarty too, Jason.  I remember everyone falling all over themselves over BB's Preakness that he won by 5.  No one seemed to remember Smarty's win by 12. To be honest though, BB didn't really get the respect he deserved because of his trainer.  He was really an embarrassment.  The horse was the class in that act.  Ivarone should have controlled that from the outset.  There's no reason for someone not to be confident in a horse like that but to put down other horses was uncalled for and unsportsmanlike.

MonicaV 09 Jul 2009 11:12 AM

Dave, Bernardini as "Horse of the Decade"?  Wow, lightly raced horse beating short fields who gets dusted in the one race he doesn't have everything his way, you must be kidding.  I'd take the following horses from this decade over Bernardini:

1) Point Given

2) Afleet Alex

3) Invasor

4) Curlin

5) Smarty Jones

6) Ghostzapper

7) Big Brown

8) Barbaro

Also, like GregJ, really looking forward to the Virginia Derby.

2:24 09 Jul 2009 11:15 AM

I mistakenly forgot Tiznow in my last post regarding horse of the decade.  And Rachel Alexandra.

2:24 09 Jul 2009 11:16 AM

I'll be at the Virginia Derby too.  Just can't wait to see Nicanor.  I wanted to go his last race a Delaware Park but it was mid-week.  It sounds like there may be quite a few of us from this blog there.  We should wear ribbons or something.

GregJ, I'd move Hold Me Back and Affirmatif up on your list a bit but Nicanor definitely at the top.

TerriV 09 Jul 2009 12:00 PM

I was at Three Chimneys in 2005. Loved to see Smarty in person, but the horse that really got to me that day was War Chant. I was pleasantly surprised to find him there. Oh! War Chant...I said. He slowly walked towards me and but his nose against the grill, right by my hand and softly blew on it. The temptation to reach in and pat him was almost unbearable. We had been told not to do this, so I controlled myself and simply talked to him very softly as he continued to blow on my hand. The connection was electrifying and lasted for a few minutes. Sadly, the spell was broken when the group I was in moved on. I walked away, but the image of this wonderful, nearly black, gentle stallion and the moment we shared is forever burned in my mind. What an unforgettable experience!

Zookeeper 09 Jul 2009 12:08 PM

2:24,

looking at your list i would take Bernardini over all of them.  Just looking at your list, i would rank them.

1. Bernardini

2. Point Given

3. Curlin

4. Ghostzapper

5. Invasor

6. Big Brown

7. Smarty Jones

8. Afleet Alex

9. Barbaro

Oh, and i can't wait to see Nicanor prove that he doesn't belong.

Dave 09 Jul 2009 1:40 PM

Zookeeper:

I had a similar experience with Wild Again last year at Three Chimneys. Our tour group was in the back barn visiting with Dynaformer. I looked over and noticed Wild Again standing rigid in the middle of his stall just glaring at us. You could tell he so badly wanted some attention. I went over to him and he looked straight at me, and boy did I feel a connection. I'll never forget that special moment with Wild Again. I sure miss him. I've always loved his name. Wild Again: noble, yet wistful.

Soldier Course 09 Jul 2009 2:08 PM

Soldier Course,

Thank you for sharing your experience with Wild Again. Isn't it wonderful to be able to visit the farms? To me, altough the Kentucky Derby was the point of my visit to Kentucky in '05, the absolute HIGHLIGHTS were the farms and the fabulous horses.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one to have experienced a real connection with a "not so in" horse. The greatest pleasures, sometimes, come from unexpected places.

Zookeeper 09 Jul 2009 2:49 PM

Kat,

Grazen, in my opinion, is a horse worthy of attention. We will have to keep our eyes on this one. You should see his other races too.

Greg J.,

Do you have the links to Grazen's other races? Yes his Affirmed was ultra impressive. Too easy, I agree.  I know somewhere was mentioned about his possible next start but I can't remember. Do you happen to know?  Yes, my 6 year old nephew can pick them. He likes to tell me how much chalk I like to eat. He likes to say "Aunt Melanie, you can't win no money if you pick the favorite all the time so let me pick one with some high odds for you so you can buy me a horse. I don't want a pony. He has to be big like the ones on TVG." The kid has a gift! (His dad, my brother, is going to shoot me.lol)

Yes, I think Nicanor has a true chance. I'm looking so forward to the race!

TerriV,

You're right. We need to figure out how we can reconize each other. I for one would love to meet you, Greg J. and the others who will be there. We'll have to discuss this more!

Horswld 09 Jul 2009 2:51 PM

ZooKeeper:

I go to the Derby, but the real heart of my trip is visiting with the horses. I spend HOURS every year planning my trip to Lexington, scheduling tours, etc. But invariably, the highlight of each trip has been something unplanned. Serendipity ... my moment with Wild Again, a similar one with Anabaa.

I should also mention that I have never had a glitch or an unpleasant moment during my Lexington visits. I attribute this to careful planning and the overwhelming graciousness of the people of Lexington.  

Soldier Course 09 Jul 2009 3:19 PM

Soldier Course,

Amen to that! Not one unpleasant experience during my 5 days stay in Kentucky. Very friendly, down to earth people all around. I was enchanted with my visit and can't wait to go back...Hopefully next spring!

Zookeeper 09 Jul 2009 3:46 PM

This is off the subject but, the injury to Pioneerof the Nile is another blow to this year's crop of 3yr olds. Why is he being retired? Is his injury so grave that it mandates his retirement? Does anybody have more details on this?

I'd like to know...because right now, I have a feeling that the breeding shed is luring another good horse away from the racetrack...What happened to giving a horse time to heal and a chance at bigger things in the future? I don't want to rush to judgment, so if you know something please fill me in. I would really like to know...

Zookeeper 09 Jul 2009 4:06 PM

      I was a big Smarty Jones fan,and still am! I was heartbroken when Birdstone beat him for the Triple Crown ! Now it looks like Birdstone beat Smarty Jones again as a sire !!! What's going on with "Smarty" he has alot of catching up to do as a Sire !!!

Pedigree Shelly 09 Jul 2009 4:30 PM

The news about Pioneer of the Nile was really disturbing.  I'd like some more info about his injury - it's just so jarring to read that he's training so wonderfully and suddenly he's retired.  He is really a powerful horse with such a lovely graceful way of moving - when I saw him at Pimlico before the Preakness I was just blown away at how gorgeous he is.

TerriV 09 Jul 2009 4:48 PM

Its time for everyone to admit how good last years crop of horses really was and is.  There are 6 or 7 millionaire horses already from the Triple Crown group last year.  It would be interesting to hear how many there are from the 2005 group or from any group since 2000.  But to call last year weak is just plain wrong and needs to stop.

Draynay 09 Jul 2009 6:04 PM

For the record... on another Blog Sham is being honored and let me say that is a joke.  Sham for some reason is looked at with such fondness and I don't get it.  The horse won only one G1 in his entire career and never won another race after the Santa Anita Derby and we are still writing stories about this horse... give me a break.

draynay 09 Jul 2009 6:18 PM

Zookeeper, I hear ya on POTN I thought def. of him after the derby and was a class act horse. I think the reason they dont want to give him time to heal because his stock is so high in the stud barn if you read the bloodhorse article it talks about how he was the total package and when it comes down to it Horss Racing is all about the $$ bills yall! loL! I will miss him, the good news is that QR is coming back soon ....he's a beast.....he's a beast!

It aint easy being good! 09 Jul 2009 6:28 PM

I read a column on NTRA from Bob Ehalt and responded to it. I felt it had relevance to this blog and the conversations over the last couple weeks, so I am re-posting my comments here.  Ehalt's column is concerning RA vs Zen and some of the supposed responsibilities of the owners.

One of the problems I see with the issue of RA vs Zen is political.  Jess Jackson ( regardless of one thinking he is right or wrong ) doesn't like synthetic surfaces ( even though he originally supported the idea of synthetic surfaces ).  He is firm in his belief that synthetics are hurting this sport.

Some argue ( including yourself here ) "For better or worse, artificial surfaces are a way of life in racing and you can't change the structure of the sport to fit your own needs – unless you can paint a very compelling picture that can obscure some of your decisions."

So are you saying if you have a strong belief against something ( that you think is a bad thing overall for your sport ) you should defer your true feelings and beliefs  when the sport takes the opposite direction of your beliefs?  For what? The betterment of the sport that you believe just got hurt and is worse for it. That doesn't make much sense does it?  If I am a Republican and a Democrat gets elected to the office in which I voted for the Republican what?  I should now defer and support Democrats even though I strongly disagree with their stance?  How can one logically argue the point that way?

Isn't it, in fact, Jackson's responsibility ( if he truly believes synthetics are a bad thing for his sport ) to do what is necessary to change what is?  Should a McCain supporter suddenly change his/her beliefs because Obama was elected by the majority?  Or should he/she do what they can (legally) to change what they are opposed to?  That is all Jackson is doing.  Yet, within your quote above you say "you can't change the structure of the sport to fit your own needs – unless you can paint a very compelling picture that can obscure some of your decisions."  What other choice does Jackson have ( if we assume he truly believes synthetics are a bad thing for horse racing )?  In order to get change in the sport he has let RA and himself become a politcal ping pong ball.  The horse racing media has picked up and ran with this story ( even the national media has touched on it ).  What better way to make a statement and promote an ideal ( that you strongly believe in ) for the change ( and percieved betterment ) in your sport.  Jackson is taking a stand ( whether you believe he is right or wrong about synthetics )  against something he believes in.  By taking the hottest property in American horse racing and holding the Breeders' Cup hostage ( so to speak ).  He has garnered national publicity and is somewhat drawing a line in the sand.

Now some may say this is an excuse and he is really just ducking Zenyatta.  To that I say hogwash.  Jackson has proven many times over ( and with RA for that matter ) that he is a sportsman and does not fear losing a horse race.  If RA goes on and wins a couple more big races against the boys she will become a national celebrity ( she is already well on her way ).  Jackson will have a huge hammer by refusing to run RA in the BC.  People may verbally attack him and the majority may think that he is wrong, who knows.  One thing is sure though, he will garner much more national media attention if RA keeps winning and refuses entry into the BC.

Again, whether you agree with him or not, he will have effectively put the issue of synthetics into a debate, which is a big step in attaining his goal.  As it is, most ( like you ) just assume synthetics are here to stay and so all will have to deal with it. There is no debate. If Jackson can get the issue back into a debate, instead of a forgone conclusion, he can then go about trying to make change ( ironically, going back in time ) by swaying the debate in his favor and gaining a majority for his side of the issue.  What's wrong with that?  How else do you get change, that you think is necessary, for your sport to prosper?

With the BC being at SA for two years the issues of synthetics( of whether we should be racing on them or not ) is not as solid as some thought and now has a crack in the exterior.  Jackson and Curlin were the main culprits in cracking the synthetic wave ( as were Zito and Commentator as well as others, last year).  Jackson succumbed to pressure and believes he paid the price by letting Curlin go out a loser over a surface Jackson believes was the sole reason for losing.  That race has given Jackson great resolve in his beliefs.  The problem Jackson had is, that while he was able to put a crack in the argument over synthetics, he wasn't able to shatter it.  Without a champion horse in his stable this year, he would have little chance to exploit what he already started. He buys RA and now has put himself right back in the front of the synthetic issue.

Jackson isn't thinking short term ( avoiding Zenyatta because he fears defeat ), but long term, two years running with the best horse and making synthetics the number one issue for his refusal to run ( even though he eventually did succumb and ran Curlin in the BC ).  By the BC giving SA two years in row, Jackson saw and continues to see an opportunity to change what he believes is a bad thing in his sport.  Running the BC on synthetics for two straight years was supposed cement the idea into the American racing mainstream.  Ironically, having two years of synthetic BC's is doing the oppostite ( because of the negative publicity of owners and trainers who do not want to or won't/don't run horses on synthetics.  Jackson has saw the opportunity and is trying his best to exploit it so that he can make change ( going back to the original ). I applaud him for his will and his ingenuity.

One other note regarding synthetics. It is one thing to bring a new surface into horse racing and blend it into the BC.  It is quite another to change a surface completely and then call out anyone not willing to accept it as same.

Anyone who has paid any attention to this sport since synthetics arrived will tell you that a synthetic surface plays differently than does dirt.  Synthetics are not dirt and I think part of the problem with most people opposed to synthetics is the racing industries seemingly insistant attitude that synthetics are another form of a "dirt" track.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Not only are synthetics not like dirt, but, they aren't even like eachother.  Tapeta, Poly, Pro-ride, Cushion etc... are all different surfaces that play differently from eachother.  This is not an argument or debate to the horseplayers out there. It is fact.  The racing industry does not adhere to this fact and to prove it they have their greatest and most important days of racing on synthetics two years running. Moreover, to rub salt in wounds of the non-believer ( that dirt and synthetics are the same ), they continue to use the name DIRT in the BC mile (dirt).  I can't figure out if the industry is calling us stupid or if they just don't give a darn what the betting public thinks ( which wouldn't surprise me ).  Either way is highly insulting.

I think most horse players ( who dislike synthetics ) wouldn't be nearly as volatile about the subject had there been SOME venues that decided to run on synthetics.  The problem stems from a mass exodus from dirt to synthetics.  Not one California track, but, all ( not including fairs and the like ). That changed California racing in a big way.  Keeneland was considered one of, if not, the best dirt track in the land and they changed it ( how's that working out for them? ). There were tracks all over this country with great tradition that, in a blink of an eye, changed surfaces and in effect turned a blind eye to that tradition.  It was and still is offensive.

Instead of a gradual change the industry shoved it down our throats until we choked on it.  They changed the very landscape of horse racing in this country and have tried ( and still do ) to act as if there is no real difference except for the tired line of how it was "better" for the horses ( how about some proof of that please ?).

I believe the horse racing industry could help itself greatly by

just admitting that synthetics are different than dirt.  What I mean to say is, why should a  dirt horse be expected to run the biggest race of his/her year on surface other than dirt?  If the industry wants to insist upon synthetics being a part of the American racing landscape and having the most important races of the year contested on a synthetic surface than do what is necessary by giving synthetics it's own category.

I know, I know, there aren't any venues ( or many ) that have both dirt and synthetics surfaces ( not to mention a turf course, as well ).  Who is at fault for that? If the industry would have incrementally brought synthetic racing into the mainstream there would have been more time for planning and development.  They would have seen all the factors in place to make informative decisions.  Instead, they went full steam ahead and bulldozered ( literally ) an already struggling industry.

I think there are thousands upon thousands of disgruntled fans ( players ) that feel they were taken for a ride.  They feel the industry has intentionally went about deceiving them and many are angry.  One way to salve the angry player is to admit synthetics and dirt are different surfaces and that the most important races of the year should not be run on a surface that maybe foreign to most of the field in a given race.

I still can't imagine how intelligent race fans can call out Jess Jackson for not wanting to run his horse on her preferred surface. A surface ( synthetic ) he dislikes and thinks is bad for the industry. You hear things like "its the biggest race how can he not run her in it", "the BC is for champions and you must run in it to be a champion."  It is for those reasons that Jackson is making his stand. Because it is the biggest day and because champions should run on championship day.  Why in the world would you change the surface the potential champions have been running on all year?  It's rediculous and Jackson knows it and is exploiting it the best way he can.  How else will he get the change he desires? He wants what any INFORMED fan wants.  He wants the best horses on DIRT to run for a championship on DIRT.  What's wrong with that? The best turf horses aren't asked to run all year on turf and then suddenly asked to run on an artificial surfaces for their championship day, why should the dirt horses be asked to? Why not ask Kip DeVille to win a dirt mile at Saratoga?  Or have Well Armed run in the United Nations on turf?  No one with a clue about horse racing would even consider these questions, yet, still today we hear average fan whine about Jackson not wanting to run RA in the BC. Guess what?  Jackson isn't opposed to running RA in the BC, he is opposed to running RA in the BC on an unfavoring surface. If the BC were run on dirt then Jackson would be there with RA ( and has intimated that next year when the BC will be run on dirt and turf only at Churchill he will bring her ).  He let himself get snookered last year and I believe he regrets it.  He has every right to make a statement about something he disagrees strongly with and he has the platform to do it.

It really goes to show how confusing horse racing is to the average fan. There are many types of fans in horse racing, but, too the average ones who only pay attention to the Triple Crown series or Travers or BC day type events they don't see the issue. To them all the surfaces are the same. The BC and the industry don't offend them with their synthetics because they don't know the difference and don't care.  Unfortunately, for real fans who follow the sport closely, they get dumped on by the industry. The horse racing industry has been trying so hard to expand horse racing to Joe Average ( that is one of the big reasons for synthetics, because of the perception that they are safer for the animals and that average Joe will see synthetics as the industries attempt be more humane and therefore make horse racing more acceptable to the mainstream ).  The problem is, average Joe, doesn't pay the bills of this sport.  Die hard fans and day to day and week to week players do pay the bills.  While average fan can't be tempted enough to make this sport a hobby, die hard fan can gradually be wittled down to a nub ( higher take outs, less service, new surfaces on racings biggest day etc...and eventually quit on the industry they once loved.  It is happening at an alarming rate.  Unless the powers that be get back to appeasing the bill payers they will continue to throw their hands in the air as to why this sport is in financial ruin.

Craig 09 Jul 2009 6:51 PM

To the blogger that said Big Brown was all juiced up-they all are. Can ANY racing commission prove the winners in next 20 grade one races didn't have the pain killer cobra venom in their systems? There is no test for it and funding to develope a test for it was ELIMINATED. So who is using new drug from Russia that eliminates pain and increases red  blood cells? All race tracks must have pre race security detention barns!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stanley marcinkowski, Plowville, Pa 09 Jul 2009 9:48 PM

draynay, here is your break-Sham would have been a Triple Crown winner if Secretariat had not come along in the same year..........

stanley marcinkowski, Plowville, Pa 09 Jul 2009 9:53 PM

Craig:

Sure took you a lot of space to defend JJ. Doesn't that tell you something?

Soldier Course 09 Jul 2009 10:07 PM

GW_BUSHWACKER

I agree with alot you're saying regarding mr. know it all,but I do like Smooth Air and think he's tries hard.

Mike Relva 09 Jul 2009 10:20 PM

Draynay,

Why would you post a comment about another blog on THIS blog?

Are you afraid to make your obnoxious remarks to Steve Haskin's face?

Zookeeper 09 Jul 2009 10:26 PM

Stanley, you are absolutely right about Sham. He was one heck of a horse but had the supreme misfortune to race at the same time as perhaps the greatest horse of all time. Sometimes life isn't fair and this was a prime example of it. Sham was a first rate horse  and one of the greats. The fact that he was even competitive with Secretariat speaks volumes.

Draynay, glad you are back but wrongo on this one.

Paula Higgins 09 Jul 2009 10:29 PM

There will be a TC Champion this year after all!...in Canada though. Eye Of The Leopard should take the Prince of Wales this Sunday against a short field and be well on his way to uber status. Not an easy task to accomplish as the 1st-leg was on Polytrack(1 1/4miles),the 2nd-leg will be on conventional dirt(1 3/16miles),and the 3rd and final-leg will be on grass(1 1/2miles). If he pulls it off it'll surely be an amazing feat. And to top it off,he made his debut in April 09'. That's a serious racehorse right there.

Carlos in Cali 09 Jul 2009 10:35 PM

Soldier Course,

I have no connection to Jess Jackson and am not defending him individually for any ulterior motive.  He believes what I believe on this issue: Dirt horses should have the right to run their championship races on ACTUAL DIRT.  He doesn't like being intentionally deceived and lied to.  A duck is duck is a duck and just because you own the duck and call it a turkey doesn't make it so.  When you run a championship dirt race on a synthetic surface and still have the brass to call it dirt ( as in Breeders' Cup Mile (dirt), you are intentionally attempting deceit. It is wrong and needs to be brought out for public consumption. Jackson has done that and it is the ideal I support, not necessarily Jess Jackson.

I have no problem with synthetic surfaces if the industry wants to race horses on them.  Don't call them dirt surfaces and expect me not to call you out on it.  Either start another category of surfaces to be run on BC day or don't.  Just don't lie and call the BC race at Santa Anita dirt races, because, everyone who follows the sport closely knows dirt and synthetics are completely different.  It is offensive to be so blatantly toyed with by an industry that needs and depends on your support.  They just don't get it.

Craig 09 Jul 2009 10:41 PM

Dray I know but Sham's Derby/Preakness combo, while both losses, was top ten all-time! And what a disturbing three year old (injury plagued) crop! WAY better than last year's, also think POTN was best--er, 2nd best 3yold of this crop, and will be a top stud...who, Dray, Big Brown and...Col John?, the over rated but hard trying guy....I DO think Georgie Boy wins the BC Sprint as he's a freak but all in all last year's crop was weaksville--this year's crop was strong if not "cursed"! And I'll make a prediction: Summer Bird dominates the rest of the year....

Matthew W 09 Jul 2009 10:41 PM

Stan the man you izz right! I's worse in quarter horse racing, juice city! And also right on about Sham! Dray is right about the stats, wrong about the horse!

Matthew W 09 Jul 2009 10:52 PM

It is difficult to effectively compare the two horses. Big Brown's wins will always be clouded because of the sudstance issue. In my opinion Smarty got very lucky when the rain storm moved in on derby day. If the track was dry and deep that day in my opinion Mr. Jones would not have won the derby.

C.W. Booth 09 Jul 2009 11:09 PM

To Zookeeper regarding Pioneer of the Nile. Did you notice how poorly this horse ran outside Caifornia? When a horse has become dependent on certain medications in order to run his best it is difficult for the horse to run when not allowed to run with these substances in his system. Just so happens California like some other states have the new and improved test and are testing more often thus more horses are retiring in one way or the other.

T.O. 09 Jul 2009 11:18 PM

Zookeeper for your information I did post what I thought of Sham to Haskins face and he didn't post it.  Ask him !

draynay 10 Jul 2009 3:39 AM

Craig:

I apologize for my sarcasm re your JJ comment. I understand your point better now. I never thought you had an ulterior motive.

I guess I am still resentful about this year's Triple Crown season. Like Steve Haskin and Cot Campbell have said, I too believe that Mine That Bird could have been our 12th Triple Crown winner but for the jockey jumble. And JJ was part of that chain of events.

Soldier Course 10 Jul 2009 8:16 AM

Craig i am with you on the polycrap.  I hate it, and it will be the ruin of the sport.

Dave 10 Jul 2009 8:30 AM

T.O.,

    POTN got second in the KY Derby how is that running poorly out of CA for this year. Yes he ran badly in the Preakness, but he'd just been coming off a four race win streak, where all of those were graded stakes, then he travels 3000 miles runs his guts out to get his place in the Derby. He had an excuse in the Preakness. I don't see how you can say just because he was out of state he ran poorly.

LDP 10 Jul 2009 8:44 AM

Hard to seperate Smarty Jones from big brown. Neither will ever rank among the top 10 since their careers were too short and in big brown's case he never faced much competition. For that reason alone if pressed I would choose Smarty Jones over big brown. Smarty beat some horses who were pretty good at the time, big brown beat horses who were not so good at the time. Case closed.

gw_bushwacker 10 Jul 2009 10:33 AM

T.O., you consider second in the Kentucky Derby to be a poor run?

Tiznowbaby 10 Jul 2009 10:58 AM

Pioneer of the Nile won the Santa Anita and came in second in the Derby. I guess he should be placed right up there with Sham and have a Stakes race named after him.

draynay 10 Jul 2009 11:05 AM

I don't know why Smarty wouldn't have won on a dry track at the Derby.  He'd never lost up to that point and he demolished the Preakness field and he didn't lose the Belmont by much.  I say Mr. Jones would have won no matter how the track turn out.

MonicaV 10 Jul 2009 11:12 AM

Pedigree Shelly,

Smarty is throwing winners all over the place.  He just hasn't gotten a classic winner yet.  He's doing very well at stud.  

MonicaV 10 Jul 2009 11:17 AM

Zookeeper, you hit the nail on the head.

Seems like a history of an issue there some time back.

Interesting the different style in between the blogs and what the rep the two different ones are in the industry.

Shawn P 10 Jul 2009 11:24 AM

About Pioneerof The Nile, I was noticing that his last several works have been uncharacteristically "slow".  Did that awful showing in the Preakness result in some physical condition, which is often the case when a horse does that poorly?  Prior to that he always had bullet works.  Unless Baffert changed his work regimen by design.  Honestly, I'm disappointed, but on another level I am relieved that he is retired because you won't find skinnier legs on a colt than his.  What an injury-plagued bunch these talented 3YO males turned out to be.  BTW, Win Willy is back working, good news hopefully.  

People are talking about Grazen, whom I saw at HP, but at the time he didn't strike me as being any more than a nice looking gray, so I didn't pay him that much attention.  My friend bet on him because he liked the name, and knew of the owner Nick Alexander (the car dealer, "Nick can't say no!").  I went back and looked through the pictures I took, and sure enough I did get a couple shots of him leading the field down the stretch.  So that's my new desktop wallpaper.

helsbelles 10 Jul 2009 12:06 PM

Matthew you are smart THE BIRD will crush get on the bandwagon Dray and no not mind that bum, Summer Bird is legit and gets kent D who is vastly underrated jockey. I personally think he is the best in the world right now. Garret Gomez is so overrated! Summer Bird is in peak form right  now....you heard it here second!

It aint easy being good! 10 Jul 2009 12:13 PM

Jason.  This is soooooooooo funny.  I needed a laugh.  Just got home and it is nice to smile again.  :)  Great conversation.  

Hi Greg J.  Mike Relva and everyone else.  :)

StardustyRose 10 Jul 2009 12:15 PM

T.O.,

Pioneer ran very well and won in California AFTER the stronger drugs regulations were implemented. I don't think "meds" are the issue here. I could be wrong...

Zookeeper 10 Jul 2009 12:30 PM

Wow. DrayNAG is back in full force. Any way to reinstate that ticker? He has something negative to say about any and all racing ledgends then anoints his own 'superhorses' like the Big Brown bomb.  Its too bad DrayNAG, that you lack the nerve to actually post on Steve Haskins blog which i find almost comical. I wonder what your response would be if you posted your warped perspective over there....

BTW Last years crop was terrible. The best out of that crop (still racing) is Macho Again and lets face it he may be a millionare but thats not proving that hes anything special - his last win only came b/c Einstein was caught in traffic. Decent horse w/ zero consistancy.

I agree with T.O. Pioneer was wonderful in Cali but was dependant on certain meds.. I watched him win the S.A. Derby - and he was really a thing of beauty.. very sad about his retirement. Its really seems like this years 3y.o.s have more injuries / retirements then last year. Q.R., The Pamplemouse, Friesan Fire, General Quarters & I Want Revenge all injured. Old Fashioned & Pioneer retired. They're just going shorter & getting weaker.

Lady Ruffian 10 Jul 2009 1:21 PM

BTW before people jump on me for agreeing with T.O. I don't think 2nd in the Derby was a poor run but his preakness was awful & his works after that we slow. Who knows though he may just not be a great shipper or may prefer the synthetic. everyone of them is different. still - wonderful to watch

I do think that if Quality Road returns pre-derby form he will dominate the rest of the season along with summer bird & mtb

Does anyone know where Pioneer will stand at stud?

Lady Ruffian 10 Jul 2009 1:53 PM

Just a thought, but don't synthetics cause more soft tissue, or muscular, tendons, or ligament injuries. This is why you don't switch a horse who runs on synthetics to dirt then back to synthetics. Horses use different muscles and swithing him back and forth was probably what caused that injury to come up. There is a risk involved over swaping surfaces, which is yet another reason why RA should not be pushed to go over to CA. On the flip side nither should Zen, which is why i've stated before if i had to choose between her coming east or taking on the boys at her home track i'd want to see her face the boys.

LDP 10 Jul 2009 1:54 PM

The controversy of synthetic track surfaces reminds me of the field of education, where there is so much lateral movement regarding trends and fads, but never any real progress.

A couple of years ago I feared that California was jumping the gun by mandating synthetics at all its tracks. There had not been enough time to evaluate them fully. Now we have a great filly opting out of the Breeders' Cup because her connections are reluctant to have her compete on synthetics. They may have good reason.

Why SA two years in a row?  

Soldier Course 10 Jul 2009 2:16 PM

I just heard that Court Vision is being transferred from Bill Mott's barn to Rick Dutrow's, primarily because the horse has not won in its past five races and is coming off a disappointedly 6th place finish in the UN Hdcp.

I was always under the impression that Bill Mott was one of the best grass trainers around, and Rick Dutrow is a renowned cheater who has been caught nemerous times and is currently under scrutiny.

The fact that this is happening just shows how pathetic some decisions are in horse racing.  i can respect jockey changes, etc.  I can even respect horses going form one trainer to another, but this STINKS.

LAZMANNICK 10 Jul 2009 2:55 PM

Big Brown was only good when he was on steriods.  He has poor hooves, which he will probably pass on to many of his offspring. Hero worship for him is sadly misplaced.  

CL 10 Jul 2009 2:55 PM

Soldier Course,

Why SA two years in a row?

Because I live here! LOL :)

Draynay,

Steve Haskin is a wise man...

Zookeeper 10 Jul 2009 3:03 PM

Soldier are you saying that had Calvin stayed on MTB he would have won the triple crown.  Because i don't who rode RA, he is not beating her any day of the week.  And if that is what you meant, then how do you explain rider error in the belmont.  

Or are you saying that had JJ not bought RA and run her he would have one the triple crown.  Because if i remember correctly he lost the belmont without her even running.  

Dave 10 Jul 2009 3:27 PM

LADY RUFFIAN... let me repeat what I said, I DID POST what I thought of Sham on Haskins blog and HE CHOSE not to post it.  I have no problem expressing my opinion to ANYONE'S face.  I would never post anything I wouldn't say to someone in person. Sham won one G1 race and never won again after that race.  Sorry but Pioneer of the Nile has a better resume and we won't be writing any stories about him 35 years from now. The Sham legend is just that.... a SHAM ! Summer Bird beat an injured horse and the Derby mud winner ... big deal the best horse in the country hands down is Rachel Alexandra. The Derby mud winner got the PERFECT trip with sprint record holder Big Drama pushing Rachel to a very fast pace and still she won by daylight.  She comes back and sets a Stakes record while galloping home.  She ran a 133 mile.... who does that going 1 1/8th ?  Rachel is the best 3 year old filly in history.

draynay 10 Jul 2009 3:32 PM

Lady Ruffian maybe you consider a million dollar winner no big deal but I can assure you every owner would love to have a million dollar winner.  My point continues to be that last years group was a very good one and there are numerous millionaire horses from last years group to prove it.  As far as I can tell the 2008 class has more millionaires then any class since 2000.  So it is now time to stop trashing Big Brown by saying last years group was weak when the facts are just the opposite.

Draynay 10 Jul 2009 3:40 PM

I have to say that is probably just what they would say to each other !!! I saw Smarty run in The Kentucky Derby as I stood outside braving the rain. I told my husband he would win, and he did and what a race!!! I later met his trainers sister on the plane back home( Texas). I gave her a Derby Glass, in the excitement she had forgotten to get one. A memory to treasure !!!

Rhonda 10 Jul 2009 5:16 PM

Never have I seen a guy contradict himself over and over like Draynay does (ease up on the energy drink and whatever else you're taking).

Sham WAS a millionaire by today's purse standards and accounting for inflation. The KY Derby purse didn't increase to 2 mil until this decade.  

Secretariat just made over 1.3 mil

in his career, which would translate to MUCH more if the calculations were applied by today's standards. That's what makes some of the older and now deceased horses records so amazing.

Same with owners and trainers. How DID they make SO much money when the value of a major stakes race was worth what some of the most minor ones are now? (even with the decreases which are killing us in the game)

 

TimG 10 Jul 2009 5:55 PM

DrayNAG- OBVIOUSLY any owner / trainer would like a millionare in his or her barn because of the money that they're getting paid. BUT comparing monetary earnings accross generations is not only wrong its simply foolish because of ever rising inflation. Let me explain it to you: Thats when money is worth less and less and you need more & more of it to get by. Maybe your ability to understand economics mirrors your ability to understand horseracing - or in your specific case inability. A few on the board races in high purse races with weak opponents and boom theres your millionare. (granted easier said then done but to me, earnings isn't the way to measure a horses talent) hence the millionares from

last years crop. nobodys beating nobodys.

Oh recent history lesson DrayNAG - that 'derby mud winner' aka Mine That Bird beat up on your $3.7 million nobody in the Derby and would have placed 2nd if your $3.7 million dollar nobody hadnt bumped him down the stretch. Hopefully MTB can & will show your $3.7million dollar nobody his heels again IF they ever get that horse back to the track instead of wisking him away to the breeding shed to produce more unsound babies like his sire.

DrayNAG - I find it quite funny that you dismiss Sham's record breaking Derby run as nothing to be remembered. The horse ran 2nd to a superhorse and still broke Northern Dancers Derby record but he 'didnt do anything to be talked about' BTW look it up, he also holds another record - an 18lb heart 2nd only once again to Secretariat. yea... hes just nothing to write about a all that happens everyday

The ONLY thing that I agree with you on is that the best 3 year old in the country is a female - history making undoubtably. Poetry in motion - yes. But 'the best 3 y.o. filly in history' no - not yet anyway.

Lady Ruffian 10 Jul 2009 5:59 PM

Soldier Course,

I cannot agree with you on MTB.  I think he's a good, gutsy horse and will probably always hit the board but if he were capable of winning the triple crown, he would have done it.  He would have beat Rachel and he would have beat SB.

He was not facing the kind of horses Secretariat faced, or Seattle Slew and Affirmed.  We may never see another TC winner.  It just takes a really special horse and we haven't seen one in a long time.  Smarty Jones was the closest we came even over Real Quiet.

MonicaV 10 Jul 2009 6:09 PM

Draynay,

You'd argue the face off a clock when it comes to BB!  That 3 year old crop was not great.  It was average.  You keep pointing out millionaires and when did thet win these millions?  Not by the spring of last year.  BB was the best of a mediocre crop, he was hands down the best 3 year old.  No argument there.

MonicaV 10 Jul 2009 6:15 PM

helsbelles,

Since I have taken such a liking to Grazen, I sure would like to see those pics that you have of him. Is there any way that you can post them for us to see? He sure is a beauty! Thanks!

Horswld 10 Jul 2009 7:08 PM

Now now.  Let's all be nice to Draynay.  Come on you guys and gals.  Life is too short for the nasty comments.  :)

StardustyRose 10 Jul 2009 8:27 PM

Draynay,

Sigh.

You wrote: There are 6 or 7 millionaire horses already from the Triple Crown group last year.  It would be interesting to hear how many there are from the 2005 group or from any group since 2000.

It's not that hard to find, really.

2001 group I very quickly found 9.

2002 group I very quickly found 9.

2003  group I quickly found 4 with another earning 998k

2004 group I quickly found 8.

2005 group I quickly found 7.

2006 group I quickly found 9.

2007 group I quickly found 7.

I didn't by any means do an exhaustive search.

Tiznowbaby 10 Jul 2009 8:41 PM

Dave and MonicaV:

I said that I agreed with the opinions of Steve Haskin and Cot Campbell, that had the jockey issue worked out differently, Mine That Bird could have become the 12th Triple Crown winner.

On another blog Steve said that if MTB had had a normal situation, i.e., same jockey for all 3 races, there was a good chance the horse would have won the TC.

Cot Campbell said that if Borel had ridden MTB in the Preakness, and Mike Smith had ridden him in the Belmont, MTB could have won the TC.

I happen to agree with both of these gentlemen's opinions. Why don't you ask Steve Haskin and Cot Campbell why they feel this way about Mine That Bird and the Triple Crown?  

Soldier Course 10 Jul 2009 10:00 PM

MonicaV:

I agree with you about Smarty Jones being the closest we have come to #12, even over Real Quiet's loss by a nose. There was just something extraordinary about Smarty. Still is.

Soldier Course 10 Jul 2009 10:08 PM

Well Dray, lucky you.

I messed around a little more and found these numbers of millionaires:

2001 - 15

2002 - 10

2003 - 11

2004 - 12

2005 - 17

2006 - 20!

2007 - 9

2008 - 11

I would expect at least those last three crops to increase their numbers.

Tiznowbaby 10 Jul 2009 10:28 PM

I think in the long run, bad feet not withstanding, Big Brown will make a better sire than Smarty Jones - Both were excellant race horses but BB has the better pedigree and will pass on his special qualities.

AnneM 10 Jul 2009 10:30 PM

Star Dusty Rose,

Apparently you're feeling sentimental or something, but life is a two way street.

Just have to stay on your own side of the street to avoid the head on collisions, DN cannot continuously drive in the Northbound lane heading South or he'll keep on having collisions with the other drivers.

Some of the comments on here towards people in the industry, accusations etc are far worse than the salvos fired at Draynay for his contrarianism. So adamant too.

Tim G 10 Jul 2009 10:43 PM

LDP give me a couple more winners this weekend (like last week)...I'm goin longshot hunting in the Hol Gold Cup---am using Shug (Parading) with Tres Borrachos and Song Of Navarone--I think Song Of Navarone is way live Sat....also love Thabazimbi at Arlington--bad post and all...

Matthew W 11 Jul 2009 12:29 AM

Everyone:

Adam's Turf Blog, "Your Summer Task and Meydan City" wants all of us to submit reviews of horse-themed movies and documentaries. Adam's going to leave it up for a few weeks to give everyone a chance to comment. Head on over there, we need lots more opinions.

Soldier Course 11 Jul 2009 11:55 AM

Too funny!  Had the pleasure of visiting Three Chimney's in June.  Had a great tour and was in the audience for Big Brown's "date."  Visited some other farms on our own and had one-on-one visits with the stallions at Juddmonte.  Very nice farm -- worth a visit.

PJ 11 Jul 2009 12:22 PM

I just read an artical on Lawyer Ron. He was one of my favorite horses while racing, second only to Curlin when they were on the track togeather. I am saddened by the news of his death. I can't believe it.

LDP 11 Jul 2009 12:37 PM

Tiznowbaby,

     Thanks You for doing the legwork on the earning's since 2000, But, I am sure Dray will come up with some other argument to state his case now that he has been proven wrong once again, Just curious what angle he will use this time...

Tim G,

     Well Stated...

Stardust,

   Hope you are well!, Can't wait for the Derby this weekend!, Nicanor sure will have his hands full, Should be very interesting...

   I can't wait for two specific races today, "Benny the Bull" in the Smile Stakes at Calder and "Gio Ponti" in the Man O' War Stakes at Belmont!, For some reason, I like "Musketier" to hit the board...

R.I.P "Lawyer Ron"...

Greg J. 11 Jul 2009 2:55 PM

Matt W,

   Wow, i helped, you know i charge 10 percent for anyone who takes my picks, lol, jk. I'm blushing right now. I'll look over some of the races real quick. The Hollywood Gold Cup looks tough, it's a solid group. My top four would be LIS, Tres Borrachos, Rail Trip and Autism Awarness. It's a tough race, but those are my top four. The Man o War my top three are Gio Ponti, Dancing Forever and Grand Courturier. You can put these horses in any order you want, i'm going to be glad if i can still keep up my streak so far, lol. Hope it's a help.

LDP 11 Jul 2009 3:19 PM

Greg J.  WOW what happened to Lawyer Ron?????  I have been in NeverneverLand, LItteraly.  I can't believe my eyes.  :(  Yeah Nicky may win and may not but I really want for him to win the race.  Nicky and Rosie make a darn good team.  :)

Tim G...

Yeah you're right.  I guess if a person doesn't have something nice to say, it's best to shut up aye?  :)  You are right though.  Been a very hard time for me.  I spent a week in LA.  Tried to find Zenyatta but never got that far.  :(  Maybe next time I go down there, I can see her.  

StardustyRose 11 Jul 2009 3:29 PM

Damn!

God called home another good son.

Farewell "Lawyer Ron"....

Horswld 11 Jul 2009 3:44 PM

LDP,

That reminds me, has your horse made a full recovery? Sorry. I ment to ask you awhile back. I hope all is well with him now.

Horswld 11 Jul 2009 3:48 PM

Lawyor Ron, very sad.  Smarty Jones IMO had more going for him than Big Brown.  In a race together,  my money would be on Smarty.

Whatever 11 Jul 2009 4:33 PM

SOLDIER COURSE

I enjoy your comments,unlike some on here you show knowledge blended w/class.

Mike Relva 11 Jul 2009 5:00 PM

I've been to Three Chimneys myself, but not while Big Brown was there.

But Smarty will always be my favorite.

Horserider 11 Jul 2009 7:04 PM

Stardust,

    I am still shocked to read about Lawyer Ron, I can still remember seeing him and Barbaro when I was at the Derby in 2006. I am speechless, This evil illness claims another one way to early, Just a tragedy...

    Also, Just don't be alarmed if Rosie isn't on Nicanor in the Virginia Derby, Stardust!  I don't want it to be a complete surprise to you, Just remember, Whoever is on Nicanor will do just fine, TRUST ME on this one, Just a friendly hint to you, Remember this when the Field is announced on Monday...

Greg J. 11 Jul 2009 7:29 PM

    The Gold Cup is about to start, Should be a great race, Can the filly, "Life is Sweet", Pull it off?, or will it be the favorite, "Parading", or a dark horse?, Tough, Tough Race, Huge field of thirteen, My gut again is telling me to watch out for "Rail Trip", But it really is anyone's race!, Should be fun, "Musketier" sure was kind to me today :)

Greg J. 11 Jul 2009 7:47 PM

Horswrld,

    Tray is doing great thank god, it's me now who is having the problems. I'm obviously not deathly ill, just having some physical problems. Because of these the doctors said to not ride, but i don't listen. I ride as much as i can, which unfortunately is not enough right now. I do go out and see him though if i'm not up to riding. He's such a big teddy bear. He's a mommas boy and i like him that way, lol.

LDP 11 Jul 2009 8:06 PM

Stardusty,

    Lawyer Ron was euthenized due to complications during the surgury he had to help colic. I'm still really down about the news, he was one of my favorites.

Just a question, and i know this is real off topic, but has anyone ever seen a four leaf shamrock? I found one in my yard this evening and it's the first time i've seen let alone heard of one. I've only heard of four leaf clovers, lol.

LDP 11 Jul 2009 8:09 PM

Mike,

    How are you? How have your horses been doing? Have any breakout winners yet, lol?

LDP 11 Jul 2009 8:10 PM

LDP, good handicapping in the Gold Cup!

Tiznowbaby 11 Jul 2009 8:11 PM

Life is Sweet got whipped by the boys today and now I know why Zenyatta will not take on the boys.

draynay 11 Jul 2009 8:14 PM

LDP,

You're AWESOME! You picked the horses that came in 1-2-3 in the Gold Cup. I wish I had read your post before I placed my bet. My hat to you! That was GREAT! :)

Zookeeper 11 Jul 2009 8:20 PM

R.I.P.  Lawyer Ron ♥♥♥

We all Love you! See you on the other side.  

StardustyRose 11 Jul 2009 8:47 PM

Well my trip to Lexington was satisfactory to say the least.  Went to Adena, Lane's End, Old Friends, and Kentucky Horse Park.  Got to pat Curlin, AP Indy (well quite of the stallions at Lane's End, they're happy boys there), Cigar (I might have teared up a bit on this one), and most of the stallions at Old Friends.  I got to feed peppermints to Giacomo and Touch Gold at Adena (Touch Gold was a wee bit obsessed).  Lane's End had an exciting new stallion arrive (not sure they've released that news yet so I won't say who).  Got to go by Keenland and Churchill Downs.  Got home to see the news about Lawyer Ron (cried a little).  I'll always be a fan of the horses that prep at Oaklawn.  Sad I didn't get to see Smarty, but I'm pretty certain I'm never going to and am not meant to (I was in Hot Springs in 2004 on Arkansas Derby day and couldn't convince my ride to go).  Hope I can get back to Kentucky one day.

RachelSatterfield 11 Jul 2009 8:53 PM

Mike Relva:

You are very kind to take the time to let me know that you enjoy my comments. I like being part of the Blog Stable and look forward to hearing from everyone. We are all bound together by this obsession that the rest of the world finds a little hard to understand. Thanks, Mike.

Soldier Course 11 Jul 2009 9:03 PM

LDP I had to work today so didn't get your post/picks--too bad! While I had Tres Borrachos win/place/show, it seems your four horse box would've netted me a handsome exacta as well as a monster trifecta! Yipes! You're white hot right now!!! GREAT piece of handicapping!

Matthew W 11 Jul 2009 10:56 PM

I heard an interesting comment from a real oldtimer about Lawyer Ron. He said that d**n colic surgery kills more than it cures. I could only think of a couple that had success and not that they were able to do anything afterwards much. Wish the research would head in that direction because I bet we lose more horses to colic and related complications than we do just about anything else.

Mike Relva, like I said before life's a two way street and if someone goes looking for trouble or a fight, they'll usually find it.

Especially when it's precipitated by throw downs,vehemence and especially misinterpretation of what people are actually trying to say. Plus, a persons previous interaction follows them forever. Least ways I've found that to be true in my profession which really reveals human nature.

Tim G 11 Jul 2009 11:19 PM

To All,

If you haven't visited Adam's Turf: Your Summer Task and Meydan City,  I highly recommend that you do so.  My favorite pastime... HORSE MOVIES!!!!!!

Great Stuff!

Horswld 12 Jul 2009 12:59 AM

Great article, Jason :D

Nice to see something positive - lately its been a lot of negative news and its disheartening.

I thought I should mention....genetically speaking, hoof issues like Big Brown's aren't hereditary. I was speaking with our vet about it this morning when he came to check out our three year old Standardbred thats on pasture rest due to some hoof issues (mainly quarter cracks). He said that a lot of the time its based on environment and nutrition. A horse on a lot of steroids and medications is more than likely to have weaker feet, as the drugs can have a "weakening" effect on the body. Take, for instance, decreased fertility/like things among human steroid users.

So I thoroughly doubt Big Brown's troubles with quarter cracks are genetic.

PilotMal 12 Jul 2009 10:06 AM

RIP Lawyer Ron.  That devastating kick coming off the turn was something, the Woodward and Whitney were memorable.  His JCGC face down with Curlin is one of my favorites.

"Here's that showdown!"

Kat 12 Jul 2009 12:38 PM

Back to those comments at the top, does anyone remember a little filly called Ruffian... I mean, RA is great, and I love her, but is she really better Ruffian? She's making her way into Ruffian's league, but I do not think she's there yet.

Ibobenn 12 Jul 2009 2:25 PM

The trashing of Big Brown just never stops... unreal.  Horse wins every race except the one he got stepped on and pulled up and people still hate on the fantastic warrior with suspect feet.  Geeez.

draynay 12 Jul 2009 2:35 PM

Matt W,

   Yeah, AA didn't do so hot, i put him in there to offer value, since he hasn't been doing to badly. The other top three had pretty nice odds, all except for LIS. I put in Rail Trip cause he had won his first five, but never faced anything, and his last two were nice efforts. Also his trainer had mentioned he'd been training very well. TB, i put in because he was one of the better west coast horses last year, and if he made that jump in progress from 3yr old to 4yr old i knew he'd have a good shot. LIS i took because she finished second to Zenyatta, plus she had Gomez again. It was a tough race to call though and pretty happy overall with my assesment. I'm sorry i didn't get on soon enough to let you see my picks. I'll try and be quicker next time, lol.

LDP 12 Jul 2009 4:38 PM

Zookeeper and Tiznowbaby,

   Thanks, i was kinda suprised to do as well as i did. I was kinda hesitant to handicap the race cause it was a very solid group, and a very large one too. To bad i didn't do as well in the Man o War.

LDP 12 Jul 2009 4:42 PM

Very upsetting about Lawyer Ron. It is just so hard to believe we can't fix the colic problem in this day and age. Maybe it's their size. I am obviously not a vet, but a people nurse, and we can deal with most G.I. issues in humans. Enough anyway that they don't die from it (unless you are talking about cancer).

I agree Monica that Smarty was a very special horse. To me, one of the top 3 in the past 10 years.

Draynay, Life Is Sweet is not Zenyatta with that long, closing stride. Even so, Life Is Sweet didn't do badly.

Paula Higgins 12 Jul 2009 4:52 PM

I agree about colic, it seems to be responsible for killing more horses than bone injuries, soft tissue injuries, or laminitis.  Broodmares seem to be especially victimized by it, but remember Vindication died at age 8 on the table while having colic surgery.  It is unbelievable about Lawyer Ron.  I wish the Shiekh in Dubai would donate some of his wealth to colic research.  This is just unacceptable.  

helsbelles 12 Jul 2009 5:38 PM

Hollywood Park is practically dirt anyway, and Life Is Sweet is a turf horse---evidenced by her turf races and her domination on pro ride which plays like turf...also think the Gold Cup was strong, was impressed with the winner---the filly ran ok, she passed most of the field in a Gr I vs males, notice Tres Borrachos has now run his best three races at Hol....Think Rail Trip can compete with anybody right now.....

Matthew W 12 Jul 2009 6:29 PM

Loved it! And like Point Given would ever beat Smarty! Yeah, right! I do like Point Given though! But nice, funny blog about two of my fave racehorses!

SmartyJones's#1Fan!!!!!! 12 Jul 2009 7:19 PM

Huh-- you went to Three Chimneys to see Smarty Jones and Big Brown? When visiting the summmer before last and was asked if any horse was of particular interest, the gracious folks at Three Chimneys were only too happy to accommodate my request to see that magnificent g/roan, Exchange Rate, who was then just up from Padua in Summerfield, Fl.

Always thought it poetic Exchange Rate won the Gr 2 Tom Fool at Santa Anita as a 4YO, seeing how Tom Fool pops up in his pedigree 5X via the Dam's Sire (Seeking the Gold, who stood at Claiborne for $125 K a pop before being pensioned from stallion duty last year).

You can thus keep Smarty and BB-- I'll put Exchange Rate in the breeding shed with my mare. Suggest a conversation with him the next time you visit Three Chimneys, and ask me if is seeing better mares in his book since coming up from FL :-)

Bryce Be Quick 12 Jul 2009 9:30 PM

To all who are anointing RA as the greatest filly of all time - are you old enough to have seen Ruffian run? And has everyone forgotten Go For Wand and her epic and fatal duel with Bayakoa. Believe that could happen to RA if she goes against horses that can pressure her and they do exist! She ran her guts out in the Preakness - but look at the finish pictures and really look at her expression, she was exhausted. I'm glad her connections had the good sense to hold her out of the Belmont. She did nothing more in the Mother Goose than perform a public workout - she beat nothing. I will withhold the title of "greatness" until she runs at 4 and 5 and proves to be sound and able to handle older mares and run beyond 9 furlongs.    

Darkie's Doll 12 Jul 2009 10:25 PM

Soldier Course,

Just wanted you to know, I, like Mike Relva, do, SO VERY MUCH, enjoy your comments also. You are quite kind, informative, creative, to the point and overall a pleasure to read. Thank you.

LDP,

May I ask what is making you feel so bad that the Dr. is telling you not to ride?  That just breaks my heart for you. My prayers are with you and in my humble opinion there is no better medicine in the world than the closeness and bond between you and your special Tray.  Be it riding or just spending time loving each other up can have just the magical touch that you need to see your days and nights through. Trust me on that.  I, and I'm sure many others here, know that from pure experience.

I hope the future finds you well.  Oh, by the way, GREAT HANDICAPING!

Horswld 13 Jul 2009 4:00 AM

To Anyone That Knows,

What is going on with Stardom Bound? I have somehow missed any info on or about her. Forgive me please. Been building on my new barn and got a little out of touch. Sorry about that.   Thanks!!

Horswld 13 Jul 2009 4:52 AM

Tim G, you are right...according the Morris Animal Foundation colic is the leading cause of death in horses.(*after old age)

da3hoss 13 Jul 2009 7:20 AM

Jason,

Good stuff!  Smarty was right, we were at Three Chimneys last Wednesday and Point Given is one big dude.  But make no mistake, the "bad boy" of the barn is DYNAFORMER, and he has a collection of fingers to prove it!

He's a TANK!

Bob D. 13 Jul 2009 10:58 AM

Greg J.  

OK I'll not flip out when I see that Rosie isn't on him.  I would love to see him win his first stakes race.  I know MM would never put a jockey on Nicky that he didn't trust and that is good enough for me.  :)

StardustyRose 13 Jul 2009 11:12 AM

Been watching some of BILL MOTT Maiden runners GOing MIDDLE distance. Some of his runners are just plain awful bad.ALOT of them are LOSING by huge MARGINS{ try 30 LENGTHS or more). I can see why HE losing clients.

steve s 13 Jul 2009 1:10 PM

Million dollar horses can still run 10 cent races. Heck even brownie proved that with his own 10 cent race in the Belmont. The fact is etched in the record books along with the notation that big brown was the first and only winner of the Derby and Preakness to finish dead last in the Belmont. Now there is a record likely to never be matched! On top of that there wasn't any million dollar competition on the track when brownie faced them to begin with. Not a dubious legacy.

slyder 13 Jul 2009 1:51 PM

Kat,

    I agree. Lawyer Ron was a monster that year. I watched all his races and his Whitney and JCGC standout the most. In the JCGC i couldn't choose which to cheer for, both were my very favorite horses that year. His turn of foot was absolutley amazing. That Whitney was his high point i believe. I still can't believe he died.

LDP 13 Jul 2009 2:09 PM

LDP  and Greg J.  I just cannot believe it.  I loved that horse.    He was a very special horse.  R.I.P Lawyer Ron.  Now you are pain free and in paradise.  ♥

StardustyRose 13 Jul 2009 2:16 PM

Big Drama works a bullet and Rachel runs a bullet and the Derby mud winner runs a 115 for 6 furlongs and his work is not in the top 10 at the distance... seems the Derby mud winner is way behind Rachel and Big Drama.  If Big Drama goes to WV the Derby mud winner will never catch him.

draynay 13 Jul 2009 2:37 PM

I've been off-line all weekend and just saw the news about Lawyer Ron.  So Freakin Sad!!  He was still so young. It just breaks my heart - such a horrible, painful illness for a horse to suffer.  Sometimes the surgury works and sometimes not - it's so unpredictable.  I just loved him!  Something about him just drew me in and it was a joy to watch him move.  Wherever I go when I die, it better be where the horses are.

TerriV 13 Jul 2009 3:31 PM

RachelSatterfield:

So glad you had a good trip to Lexington. How did you manage to visit at Lane's End? They've told me they don't allow visitors. In 2006 I did manage to go there, but that's another story. Did you meet Steve Brown, one of the stallion managers? He's very nice.

I am sorry that you weren't able to see Smarty, but Three Chimneys is booked up so far in advance for their farm tours. I'll say this for them - they are very even-handed when it comes to scheduling tour appointments. They won't bump anyone for a bigshot, and that says a lot.

I know how hard it must have been for you to leave. I cry every time we pull out of the hotel headed home. The only thing that keeps me going is "next year".

Soldier Course 13 Jul 2009 10:15 PM

Horswld:

Head on over to Adam's movie review blog. I thought of another good horse movie and reviewed it: "Something To Talk About" with Julia Roberts, etc.

Everyone else: Get on over there! We need reviews.

Soldier Course 14 Jul 2009 11:15 AM

Greg J.  I just went over and saw that Rosie was not on Nicky.  What shocked me more than Jose was Prado on Take the Points in the next gate!  WOW!  I think he will do OK if he can keep KD off his butt.  LOL..... :)

StardustyRose 14 Jul 2009 12:36 PM

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