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Derby or No Derby, Pletcher Has Been Masterful

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Let's get this out of the way first:

Todd Pletcher needs to win the Kentucky Derby to get the monkey off his back, to put his demons to rest, to silence his critics. Pick whichever cliché you'd like, Pletcher has to get the roses this time or he will continue to be labeled as the best trainer in the country who can't get it done on the biggest day.

There will be no excuses for Pletcher this year. He will have five or six in the starting gate--at least 25% of the field--including the prohibitive favorite, Eskendereya, and another four or five horses somewhere between the odds of 15-1 to 30-1.

Starting now and through the next two weeks, all eyes will be on Pletcher and his powerful stable of 3-year-olds. He will make all the headlines for Derby 136 and his every move will be followed in Louisville from this point forward.

Derby or bust.

OK, I'm glad we got that out of the way.

The real point of this article is not to put more pressure on a man who already must feel as though he has a mountain on his shoulders, but to praise him for one of the most outstanding training jobs we have ever seen leading up to the Derby.

What Pletcher has done through the last two months of 2009 and the first three-plus months of 2010 is nothing short of amazing. His domination of these Kentucky Derby preps is unprecedented. Weekend after weekend his horses have fired, and Derby or no Derby, we must acknowledge his terrific accomplishments. Let's review:

Over the past two months, Pletcher 3-year-olds have won seven of the 21 graded Derby preps at one mile or more on dirt (or synthetics), or 33%. It began with a win by Rule in the Feb. 13 Sam F. Davis and ended Saturday with a score by Exhi in the Coolmore Lexington. In between, Discreetly Mine (Risen Star), Connemara (El Camino Real), Mission Impazible (Louisiana Derby), and Eskendereya (Fountain of Youth and Wood) won their respective preps.

Going back to the final five weeks of 2009, Pletcher also scored major prep wins with Super Saver in the Kentucky Jockey Club and with Rule in the lucrative Delta Jackpot. In those nine races, his winners have earned an astounding $2,183,832. And that only counts his winners. It doesn't take into account the money those same horses and others have earned for finishing in the money in races like the Arkansas Derby, Florida Derby, Lane's End, etc.

I have covered nearly all of the aforementioned races and each time I found myself saying the same thing, ‘Wow, Pletcher is on a roll. How much longer can this last'? It ended with me shaking my head at Keeneland on Saturday after Exhi wired the field at nearly 20-1 in the Lexington Stakes. At which point, I turned to a colleague in the press box and said, "We are all idiots. A Pletcher horse goes off at 20-1 in a Derby prep and we didn't have him'? We should all be shot'.

To recap, Pletcher will have no excuses if he doesn't win the Derby this year. His 0-for-24 record in America's most important race is well documented, but this time he rolls in holding his strongest hand, by far. He has a lot to prove.

But before we focus all of our attention on the Derby over these next two weeks, let's take Pletcher's accomplishments for what they are: A job very well done.

Does he have a large string of powerful owners at his disposal? Does he get many of the best 2-year-olds in his barn every year? Does he have luxuries that most trainers can only dream of? Yes to all of the above. But let's give credit where credit is due. Pletcher has had 24 Derby starters--soon to be 30--over the last decade in large part because of his skill. He knows how to develop young horses. He knows how to manage a large stable. And he knows how to put his horses in the right spots.

Two weeks out, it is anyone's guess whether Pletcher will win Derby 136. But let's give the guy a hand for at least putting himself in a spot where few others ever could.

225 Comments:

Todd is a very nice man.  I hope he wins the Derby next year.

Ted from LA 18 Apr 2010 3:26 PM

Todd Pletcher is a really nice guy.   He ranks up there with the best of them.  My favorite Pletcher horse though, not withstanding the current Eskendereya, is English Channel.

I'm confident Pletcher, with any of his horses, will make the best decision.  A guy of integrity, and he does talk openly with the media.  He ranks up there with John Sherriffs, who is the nicest guy on the racetrack.

Ed 18 Apr 2010 3:55 PM

I think he'll win it this year with either Eskendeyera or Mission Impazible.

dustywhipp 18 Apr 2010 4:45 PM

Todd Pletcher does not have to win the Kentucky Derby to prove himself as a horseman. He has continued to do that each and every day over the past years.

Would it be nice for him?

Sure it would, it would probably be great for him.

Does he deserve to win?

Yes, as much, but no more then any other trainer who has been able to get a horse as far as the gate on derby day.

The fact that he has had as many prior chances is a testament to his skills, but it is also a reflection of the overall quality of the the stock he is given to work with.

Will he do it this year?

Only the racing gods can predict that. Quantity, even a quantity of quality, does not insure a Derby Winner. Just ask Mr. Pletcher, he can say that better then I can.

As an aside: I've often wondered, would he have a better chance with just one, over the many? Can not be easy doing the best for many, for that alone, I tip my hat to him.

Kevin 18 Apr 2010 4:47 PM

Jason:

And he knows how to put his horses in the right spots.

Over the past two months, Pletcher 3-year-olds have won seven of the 21 graded Derby preps at one mile or more on dirt (or synthetics), or 33%. It began with a win by Rule in the Feb. 13 Sam F. Davis and ended Saturday with a score by Exhi in the Coolmore Lexington. In between, Discreetly Mine (Risen Star), Connemara (El Camino Real), Mission Impazible (Louisiana Derby), and Eskendereya (Fountain of Youth and Wood) won their respective preps.

I agree about the placement of the above mentioned horse's. The (placement exception) to me was putting Colizeo on the turf instead of running him in the Derby prep's on the dirt, this horse has the potential to go for the longer distance's.

tcc 18 Apr 2010 4:53 PM

JASON,

You said "Two weeks out, it is anyone's guess whether Pletcher will win Derby 136."  

Are you kidding me?  Esky is as close to a racing certainty as you can get in a 20 horse field my Bro.  I'm not guessing when I tell you that Eskendereya is gonna be "money for jam", a "soup", a "lock" ... take your pick of metaphors (albeit at a very short price ...but so what!).  Mr Todd Pletcher is going to clean house in Kentucky Derby 2010 with Eskendereya, Mission Impazible, Super Saver, Rule and Descretely Mine.  In addition, if Interactif acts well at Churchill Downs and runs he'll crack the top four, no doubt about it.  This is Todd Pletcher's year to dominate the Triple Crown series, have two champions vying for HOTY in Esky and "His Royal Highness" Quality Road (w/due respect to distaff queens Zenyatta and Rachel Alexandra), have the champion 3YO Filly: Devil May Care and waltz into the Trainer's hall Of fame at year's end ...plain and simple.  Lets enjoy the ride and celebrate with the Man  ...for he too's a jolly good fellow ... and so say ...(how many) of us? ...All, when the Derby is over on May 1, 2010.    

Ranagulzion 18 Apr 2010 5:14 PM

First of all, RIP, Tiz Chrome.  So sad to hear this news.  

I read that the deceased colt was pointing to the Derby Trial.  Guess there will be a big field for that race, with all the 3-year-olds still trying to get in the Derby!!  Is it just me or are the owners especially keen on it this year?

In other news, when I read about the upcoming sale of Esky, the first person I thought of was Jess Jackson.  If it's true that he already tried and failed to purchase the colt, well, the way has been cleared for him to try again.  

Zayat, also a billionaire, does not seem to be handling his finances very well.  Wonder how he feels about giving up a possible TC winner?  (Of course, right now they're all possible TC winners.)  I hadn't thought about IEAH possibly bidding.  Seems like their stable is not having as much luck this year as last, and Esky could give them a big lift.  Can't wait to hear more about this.

On the topic of the blog, I do think Pletcher's many prep wins are ultra-impressive.  I guess Steve Asmussen has as many horses or more, and I don't see him winning any.  Todd must not only be a great trainer, he must really get the creme de la creme.  As far as winning the big one, though, I wonder, as Kevin posted, would he be better off with one entrant rather than almost a whole equine baseball team?

Pam S. 18 Apr 2010 5:28 PM

Just read about Tiz Chrome and feel sick to my stomache at the news. That is just horrible.

LDP 18 Apr 2010 6:06 PM

Good post, Jason!

There is no question in my mind that Todd Pletcher will win the Derby --- if not this year, than some other year. He will get it one of these days, just like Mike Smith and Pat Day.

Even if he doesn't win the Derby this year, he has still accomplished some incredible feats. Winning all those Derby preps is nothing to sneeze at.

I predict that he will win the Kentucky Derby in the year 2014. That year, he will win fifteen of those twenty-one Derby preps and train seventeen of the entries. Ayerednekse, (pronounced "A-yee-red-neck-SEE) his longshot, will win by six. Four other Pletcher horses will complete the Super High Five. Just me daydreaming. . . : )

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 18 Apr 2010 6:08 PM

Todd Pletcher is only 10% of the trio of how he will be the first trainer from 1978 to win the triple crown.  The other 10% is Rajiv Maragh the jockey and the other 80% is Mission Impazible.   I will be sending Rajiv some Led Zeppelin cd's to listen to on Kentucky Derby day.   Rajiv will have to ride the rail in the 2 or 3 spot in a soft gallop and high on the horse until exactly the one mile and one eighth pole not a second before or after and then bam pull out and let Mission Impazible do his thing to the wire.    Rajiv and Todd know the extra punch Mission Impazible has and it has to be used at the right time.   Rajiv can not get get hung outside and use energy because everybody knows that Mission Impazible can get out of the gate fast but he can not be first , he has to sit 2nd or 3rd.  Look after the race for rajiv to give the thumbs up sign and then you will know.    

JOE 18 Apr 2010 6:14 PM

Was very sad to see the news about Tiz Chrome. Another heart breaker.

I agree with Ed, Todd Pletcher is very deserving and he has an excellent shot at it. But Jason, as we all know anything can happen in a race and often does. It may be when he leasts expects it, he wins the Derby. But I agree that Eskendereya is his best shot. I also agree that John Shirrefffs wins "Peach of All Time" award for being the nicest person in racing.

Paula Higgins 18 Apr 2010 6:17 PM

If Esky wins the Triple Crown what would his worth be then and would anyone be willing to spend that kind of money?

LAZMANNICK 18 Apr 2010 6:19 PM

If Eskendereya losses a shoe,im sure u will give him an excuse lol Awesome Act needs to go back to turf.

Albert 18 Apr 2010 7:24 PM

Pam you may have hit the nail on the head with Todd. He knows the best spot to run his horses. Now we all know (and you fans are finding out) that owners often put pressure on trainers to run their horses in certain races, like the Derby, where they may or may not belong. So take that into account. Plus Todd hasn't always run a bunch of horses in his trips to the Derby. He's had one or two several times.

Will he win it this year? Who knows?

He and a couple of others have had years of high #'s of multiples and only one has had much success with that.

But like Jason says, his winning preps have been pretty sensational this year, seems to me the rest is gravy.

He wants to win it to complete his resume and to shut people up. But truthfully if he wins one, will that do it? I think not. Just ask Wayne Lukas or Nick Zito or Bob Baffert. Everyone's a critic. Especially those who have never run a horse in their lives.

Tim G 18 Apr 2010 7:40 PM

Hat's off to Toad (doesn't he look like the prince that the frog turns into when kissed by the beatiful maiden?), on a truly great prep season. Too bad he won't win the Derby, because this race will be won by..........ICE BOX!

predict 18 Apr 2010 7:44 PM

Todd P your first derby win could well be Mission Impazible. With Rajiv up mission has the perfect stalking style to stay in a trouble free race.Improving with every start, rag sheet handicapper colt setting on a max performance. Love that he had a impressive workout Sat. Good Luck TP

Rich from MN 18 Apr 2010 7:53 PM

He is on a roll for sure, best of luck to him. He is holding a winning hand just needs to have a little racing luck.

marktoothaker 18 Apr 2010 7:55 PM

If I could afford a Derby starter Mr. Pletcher would be my first choice to take wonderful care of my horse.

Sue 18 Apr 2010 7:56 PM

jason

will interactiff go in the derby

mike rullo 18 Apr 2010 8:44 PM

Its a good question Mike. Selfishly, I hope he goes. It all depends on his work at CD next weekend. On one hand, its hard for me to think the owners, Wertheimer and Frere, wont send him. They also own Setsuko and Exhi, who will narrowly miss the Derby bc of earnings. You would think they wouldnt be able to stomach the thought of not going with any of their talented 3YOs. But then again, they are the owners of Goldikova (and are billionares by the way), so its not like they havent tasted success. And they are French, so Im not sure how much the Derby means to them. That's not a cut on the French, just dont think our classic means as much to them as it does us.

If I had to guess at this moment, I say he doesnt go. I hope Im wrong.

Jason Shandler 18 Apr 2010 8:51 PM

I liked your blog post Jason.  A job well done as always.

I do not share the warm and fuzzy some do about Pletcher.  Sure he is a great trainer but I also recall numerous and somewhat serious medication violations in his past.  Perhaps it's the size of his stable and not being able to watch everything all of the time.  Or he could be just dirty.  Many seem to villify Rick Dutrow and Asmussen, and I don't care for them either, but I don't see much difference between them and Pletcher.

As such, I am not particularly rooting for Pletcher (or Ahmed Zayat) to win the Derby.  They certainly have the horse to beat but to me an Esky win will be like Big Brown.  No faulting the horse just don't care for the connections.

I'll be rooting for Endorsement and Sidney's Candy (although I acknowledge SC's trainer has a somewhat checkered past).  I also like Baffert and Pegramso I wouldn't mind seeing LaL win.

2:24 18 Apr 2010 8:59 PM

I absolutely agree with Kevin. Pletcher is one of the greatest trainers around.  Winning the Derby would be fantastic, but he doesn't need it to validate his training!  I'm really sick of those people who says he does.  

Mahuba 18 Apr 2010 9:28 PM

I think Todd will win a derby. I hope he wins this year. He has dominated the derby prep races this year. Esky has been magnificient and has been placed on the right track on his derby trail. I hope Esky wins because he is the best horse on paper and also visually.

RJPPDP 18 Apr 2010 9:52 PM

ok guys esky certainly deserves favoritism but a losing streak is a losing streak pletcher is 0-24 and i belive same thing will happen this time and the spoiler will surely be looking at lucky.  wait till may and all will see how right i am.

zen21 18 Apr 2010 10:35 PM

i agree with 2:24 seems like when a track cracks down with security todd's win % goes down

bobby 18 Apr 2010 10:39 PM

I hope Todd Plecther wins the Derby. Great horseman and a good guy. I met him on the backside at Saratoga through a TOBA tour just after he left D. Wayne's barn. He had a string of a few dozen horses and took the time to talk with the tour group for 15 minutes. A few years ago I wrote him and asked for an  autographed picture of Rags to Riches along with her name plates for a fundraiser I was running. He sent the picture, no questions asked.

Tony Bada Bing 18 Apr 2010 10:46 PM

Sue

   I think you're right about Pletcher taking wonderful care of horses. He never sends out a sorry looking horse to race. Almost all of his entrants look fabulously healthy and ready for a peak performance. I would trust him to take great care of my horse. And there is a very good chance that this is his year to win The Derby. However with a Derby horse I would prefer a trainer who has one horse entered in The Derby. Eskendereya is the most talented horse Pletcher has ever entered. Once we see how Esky is working at CD, and what post he gets then we'll have a better idea. But this is Pletcher's first shot with a monster. Pletcher is a great trainer and starting to get the hang of this Derby thing. He tore up The Trail this year. Forget the 0 for 24. He still could end up being the greatest Derby trainer of all time. He just needs the first one and he's off to the races.

Dr Drunkinbum 18 Apr 2010 10:50 PM

Last night I had a dream that Interactiff won the Derby.  I'm not a dream handicapper, but it won't hurt to throw a couple bucks his way.

Jason, I think you mentioned early on that Todd Pletcher was spreading his horses around to give his owners the best chance for earnings.  That's a given with a big stable across the U.S.  I won't be surprized to see a Pletcher horse win the KD, but I'm not sold on Eskendereya.

Aluminaut 18 Apr 2010 11:08 PM

This is not the first time that Pl etcher has quite a few horses in the derby.  I think Eskendereya is a very nice horse but I still remember Bellamy Road who was also the favorite and won big in the Wood, than getting trounced in the Derby.  

Jodie 18 Apr 2010 11:38 PM

I'm sorry, but who cares?  Todd winning the derby won't do anything for racing because he's a crappy interview.

He exhibits as  much personality and verbal skill as a mollusc.

Let Baffert or Zito or even D. Wayne win. Find a horse for Chip Woolley. Anyone But Pletcher(ABP) in front of the microphone, please.

poormansracehorse 19 Apr 2010 12:45 AM

As much as I like Pletcher and how much deserving he is to win the KD to get that monkey off his back.  I'm playing to make money, so I'll take my chances on some horses other than Pletchers.  I personally think his only shot is with Esky and Rule, if he wins, I'd be very happy for him but he really doesn't need the money as much as I do :)  Good luck Todd!!  I think it'll be another longshot KD (20-1 and above).

jayjay 19 Apr 2010 1:01 AM

Look, Todd has always been closed mouth about his horses. This time he only talks about Esky being a sure 1 and 1/4 horse. To me, he knows he has a great horse on his hands. IF Pletcher get this horse ready I am so on board. His other horses I am okay about. In the order of preference:

Super Saver

Mission Impazible

Rule

Discreetly Mine

They are tough horses who deserve to be there but they have much work to do.

RJPPDP 19 Apr 2010 1:03 AM

If you had $500 to bet all with ESK on top how do you get the most value?

dotus 19 Apr 2010 1:52 AM

Hi Jason. Just wondering if you think that Eskendereya will be sold before May 1. It doesn't seem like NBC or the NTRA would be crazy about a potential situation where an owner in the winner's circle is about to sell his Derby horse because he's broke. Even Bob Costas might not be able to put a bow on that one.

Bill 19 Apr 2010 2:30 AM

So sad about Tiz Chrome.

He was an absolutely beautiful, powerful colt, and had wonderful breeding.  A big loss.  I think he would have been sensational on dirt.  His victory in the Stuka Stakes at Hollywood was very impressive.  RIP

GunBow 19 Apr 2010 4:05 AM

   what is all of the hype about anyway? in terms of pedigree and conformation, todd pletcher has some of the best, if not the best thoroughbreds on the market. what assurance does that give anyone?

   the top trainers are all intelligent men and they wouldn't be where they are if that was not the case, but other issues carry much more weight, the most important of which is money.

    bloggers on this site talk about how great his horses look, but isn't that a given? he has millions of dollars of horse flesh in his barn with multi-millionaires as owners and i would guess that raises the level of responsibility.

   i remember the media talking about d. wayne lukas and how great his barn area always looked, which i believe is another indicator of success. shouldn't one expect such embellishments from successful stables?

   let's get to the horses themselves and i do not want to sound so negative, because i truly love the horses and racing, but how can i feel excited about one trainer having five horses in one race?

   for a long time, i have felt that racing is just a numbers game. if you have the money, go to the keenland select yearling sale and buy 10, 20 or whichever number you can afford, of the best that is out there. buy 20 green monkeys!

   what does it prove? nothing. d. wayne was in on that game for a long time and we all know that he topped the earnings list quite a few times, but he did it with a barrage of horses, most of which drifted off into oblivion, never to be heard of again.

    i have nothing against todd pletcher, because i believe that he is a pleasant and honest person from what i have read,but i believe that the same thing is going to happen to the majority of his derby prep winners. however, have no fear. replacements are waiting in line!

lazaro 19 Apr 2010 4:27 AM

The Santa Anita meet ended appropriately with two of its stars, Tuscan Evening and Bourbon Bay, winning stakes races.

Tuscan Evening easily captured the gr.2 10 furlong Santa Barbara Handicap and in so doing became the first horse to win the Buena Vista(8 furlongs),Santa Ana(9 furlongs), and Santa Barbara(10 furlongs) in the same year, let alone the first horse to sweep the Monrovia(6.5 furlongs)-Buena Vista-Santa Ana-Santa Barbara.

Tuscan Evening captured the Santa Barbara under 124 lbs, the most weight carried by a Santa Barbara winner since 1979.  

With 4 graded stakes wins during the Santa Anita meet, Tuscan Evening had the most successful meet since Round Table took down 5 stakes in 1958.

Tuscan Evening is undefeated in 2010, a perfect 4 for 4, with 3 grade 2 wins and a grade 3 triumph.  Tuscan Evening has won 5 of her last 6, all in graded stakes, with her only defeat coming when 2nd to Ventura in the gr.1 Matriarch.

Since being imprted into the US, Tuscan Evening is 10 for 14, with 7 stakes wins, 5 being grade 2 victories and one being a gr.3(Monrovia Cap').  

Although stretching out another eighth of a mile, Tuscan Evening won the Santa Barbara under a Bejarano hand-ride, running her final half mile in 46 and change.  Proven from 6.5-10 furlongs, Team Hollendorfer now has plenty of options for Tuscan Eveing.

Bourbon Bay did not have such an easy time in the meet's clsoing race, the grade 2 San Juan Capistrano.  A dominant winner of two 12 furlong stakes races earlier in the meet, the gr.2 San Luis Obispo and gr.2 San Luis Rey, Bourbon Bay clearly had some difficulty with the 14 furlong distance of the San Juan.  After having blown away the competition in those two earlier stakes with  24 second final quaters, Bourbon Bay won the San Juan on heart and class; the San Juan turned into a war of attrition, and Bourbon Bay was able to find just enough to outlast his equally tired opponents.

With the win in the San Juan, Boubon Bay became only the 3rd horse(Astray 74', Kotashaan 93') to ever sweep Santa Anita's marathon turf races in a single season(San Luis Obsipo-San Luis Rey-San Juan Capistrano).  Additionally, by carrying 122 lbs, Bourbon Bay joined Bienamado(01') and Bien Bien(94') as the highest weighted winners of the San Juan over the last 20 years.

The only thing that tempers my enthusiasm is that when I observed Boubon Bay leaving the track after the race, his right front ankle looked a little swollen.  Now, I'm no vet, no trainer, nor have I spent alot of time close to race horses.  I hope it was just the angle, or shadows, etc.  Bourbon Bay appeared to be walking fine, and after watching the video, he appeared to pull up fine.  So, it's probably nothing.  I certainly hope it is  nothing because Bourbon Bay is an absolute beast at 12 furlongs.

GunBow 19 Apr 2010 4:41 AM

In horse racing you can not be at every track every time one of your horses in your stable run. If that was the case there would be Todd P. clones running all around so lets give a shout out to the assistant trainers and the horse preps that are making sure these horses are ready to go.  All this talk about Todd this and Todd that I almost started to cry.   Todd P. has good workers behind him and good horses in his barn or else he would not be in the shape he is in right now.   When Todd and the owner of Mission Impazible are getting there pictures taken in the winners circle at the Kentucky Derby he should the barn workers and assostant trainers right along side of him and the owner.   Joe

JOE 19 Apr 2010 6:36 AM

I think one of Pletcher horses will win the Derby this year,he just dominated the three year olds prep across U.S. I just hope some horse trained by a small stable wins it,he(Pletcher) has won so many big races this year,let someone else have a little fun too.

Carlos n 19 Apr 2010 7:31 AM

jason

todd pletcher said on hrtv he will not have more than 5 in the derby.

mike rullo 19 Apr 2010 8:25 AM

I donot agree that todd pletcher is one of the best trainers. He gets the best horses. You can just be a good trainer, Take Orseno, when he had Stronach horses his win percentage was sky high, after that he went back to avg percentage. Pletcher doesnt keep to many claimers if any in his barn other trainers have no choice, and they still find  a way to win. I just dont think he is great. I know I sound like a party pooper but I respect trainers more in the mold of Matz, funny side's trainer, and jerkens.

shane 19 Apr 2010 8:38 AM

keeping an unbridled song(mission impaz) sound would be a good training job.  

corona cash 19 Apr 2010 8:51 AM

I was very saddened to hear about Tiz Chrome.  I feel for his connections, and hope nothing but the best for them.

On to the topic at hand...

For Pletcher to have 6-8 horses in the starting gate and him not to come away with a victory, would likely be the worst loss of his career.  He has had winners in almost every single Derby prep this year and for him not to win would be classified as none other than a overwhelming FAILURE.

That being said, I think he will finally get it done and hope he does.  He is too high profile and too good of a trainer to not have a derby victory under his belt.  

Who knows... maybe all 7 or so of his entries will anchor my pick 3 on May 1!

TJLuvsTizs 19 Apr 2010 9:28 AM

There is no doubt that Todd Pletcher is a great trainner and deserving of a Kentucky Derby win. He handles himself with class and dignity and always seems to possess a knowledgeable and calm reserve in the media. If you had the oppertunity who wouldn't want him in charge of your horse, and with the one's he has this year his chances of winning seem favorable. Here we have a collection of our finest trainners all hoping to win this historic event. But the Derby is such a daunting challenge, the atmosphere, talent, numbers, and positioning are off the chart. I guess it must come down to our personal interpertation and preference as to who is most diserving of a victory, but many times those opinions change after the race has been run. As they enter the stretch with an exta furlong to endure Eskendereya really looks good, but you know Lucky isn't going to just wait around and watch,... and the way the preps. have unfolded this year neither will any of the others if their feel'in their oats that afternoon.

Bill Rink 19 Apr 2010 9:42 AM

Anybody here can confirm whether or not Drosselmeyer is going in the Derby Trial?

Jay V 19 Apr 2010 9:48 AM

As i said before, Eskendereya will

not only win the derby, he is the

next TRIPLE CROWN winner. AND WHAT A WAY FOR TODD PLETCHER TO BREAK

THE JINX!!!

EddieCofLV 19 Apr 2010 10:09 AM

Pletcher will win and the headlines will read......

BOREL WINS 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY!

Sorry Toddies, the little cajun is going to be the story.

Jason,

Go to bed early, and get up to the sound of nostrils blowing cold air in the Louisville morning air. Do not forget your real assignment. We need the dirt bud.

El Kabong 19 Apr 2010 10:09 AM

Pletcher will win the Derby when he has the best horse run the best race on the 1st Saturday in May... just like every other winner.

I was so looking forward to watching Tiz Chrome grow up...

Undercover Bosses episode on Churchill Downs COO was excellent...

Rachel 19 Apr 2010 10:24 AM

Shane, your comment about Pletcher not having too many claimers reminded me of a couple of Charlie Whittingham stories.

The first was to a reported comment from Charlie, when asked by some neophyte owner if he would train for him. After Charlie asked what amount of money he was investing and the fellow told him "around 300 grand", Charlie, supposedly, replied, "I do not train claimers".

The second was seeing Charlie standing alone in the walking ring at SA trying to rid himself and Mary Chandler Bradley of some, once well meant, colt for a 32 thou claiming price.  He was looking rather forlorn as if to say, "Will anyone take this guy, anyone, please?"

berttheclock 19 Apr 2010 10:34 AM

Jay V;

As far as I know, Drosselmeyer is going to the Derby Trial. I can't confirm it, but that's what I heard. Caracortado might show up too. And I would not be surprised if Cool Bullet ran.

TO ALL FANS OF DUBLIN

He worked the fastest five furlongs at Churchill Downs today, getting the distance in :59 1/5. . .

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 19 Apr 2010 11:21 AM

bert...

I`d venture to say that well over half of Asmussen`s horses are claimers with quite a few being bottom level.  Keep an eye on a 2yo named Brock this Spring/Summer who he`ll be training for Jackson.  His operation is far flung and run the gamut from cheapies to expensive stock.  He also does quite well on Woodbine poly with his stable up there.  Never seems to have done much on grass though IMO.

RiverCitySmitty 19 Apr 2010 11:33 AM

Jason,

Did you mean the Green Monkey off from his back?

It is difficult to root for team Pletcher/Zayat. With suspensions for drug violations and the current financial situation for Zayat, I am feeling some bad karma here. I believe it was Cold Facts who wrote that the recent KY Derby winners have been somewhat inexpensive horses that a Pletcher owner would never purchase. Even losing nearly $30 million in the past 2 years can not stop an owner like Zayat from opening up the checkbook year after year. Every owner is dreaming of winning the KY Derby one day. Now 2 weeks before the biggest race of Eskendereya's life, he will be sold for more $. The almighty $ is what motivates some people in this glorious game of racing. Pletcher has wealthy owners that give him the best racing stock $money$ can buy. So it is of very little surprise that he is winning a large % of the prep races in 2010. I would love for Eskendereya to be purchased today for a large sum of $ and get the deal over with. Then he would be trained by Dutrow, Assmussen, or Baffert, eliminating Pletcher's only solid chance at a KY Derby victory in 2010. Of course that will never happen and Eskendereya will go off at 8/5. He is a deserving favorite, but I am going with value at about 15-1 on Awesome Act and Endorsement.

Joe, good luck with your Pletcher/Maragh party, Maragh is good, but far from great. And Pletcher's staff will be to tired to stick around for any photo's. The grooms arrive at 3am and work 7 days a week!

Tim G, are you suggesting that only trainers and owners are knowledgeable about horse racing?

Albert, you are completely wrong about Awesome Act. This horse is powerful and still a bit green, he is far better than his Wood Memorial effort. Don't sell him and Leparoux short, they are sitting on a big race. Eskendereya is very well bred for the turf also, so what. There is nothing wrong with having a versatile horse that is quick and can run on any surface. Eskendereya is not the only talented 3 year old horse this year. Have you seen the determination and explosiveness that Endorsement and Lookin At Lucky run with? What about Sidneys Candy running up front like a train? I watched Eskendereya up close in the paddock of the Wood and he is a wide body and his muscles looked like they were not even fully developed yet. He was a bit soft, so if he gains more fitness after the Wood and moves forward he is clearly scary.

Can we at least wait for the gate to open and the race to be over before we are talking about a a triple crown winner Ranagulzion?

Forbidden Apple 19 Apr 2010 11:37 AM

Thanks, RiverCitySmitty, yeah, reminds me of when Jack Van Berg ran horses coast to coast.

However, I just noticed at the Louisville C-J, that there will be a special training time set aside for Oaks and Derby runners.  Now, a trainer can send out a runner at other times, but, this new change is due to a non-Derby/Oaks horse getting away during a training session involving several top runners.  Plus, as an aside, Rachael wowed 'em in her 6F workout. Great pre-Derby/Oaks info in that paper.

berttheclock 19 Apr 2010 11:49 AM

I'm definitely rooting for TP to win his 1st derby. But not only do I think it will happen this year...I think Eskendereya will most likely win the other 2 legs as well. If something out of this world happens and Eskendereya doesn't happen to win...he still has possibly a good 6 legitimate contenders who are all capable of winning at least the KY Derby. And...he's running one of his top 3 3yos in the Oaks! He just has a completely dominant hand this year. I see continued domination of the 3yo division this spring. Its gonna be tough though having to try to win the triple crown with one horse and having to saddle that horses toughest competion...whoever it may be. But a good dilemna to have.

BigWill 19 Apr 2010 11:50 AM

Has anyone considered the race within the race?  TP with at least 5 runners and WinStar with at least 4.  Two (Rule and Super Saver) trained by TP. If I am WinStar I want to beat ESKENDEREYA. Who will WinStar sacrifice to "ride" ESKENDFEREYA? Sets up for a win by ENDORSEMENT.

Nolan 19 Apr 2010 11:53 AM

FA, no I'm suggesting that the fans only know what they read, watch on TV or at the track or the gossip they hear.

You people seem to forget that when Todd went out on his own he didn't have a barnfull of the best.

Blame The Green Monkey on Demi, not Todd.

As far as the grooms? You know that for certain do you? The labor laws were clarified and the trainers are doing their best to follow them. If it's that rotten they can go to work for another trainer. One who doesn't treat them as well.  Or they can always exercise their other option......

See what I mean? You sure ROTTEN Apple or Sour Grapes shouldn't be your real Display Name?

The LAST persons on EARTH that racing needs winning a TC are Dutrow or Asmussen. The issues that Todd had with positives? No comparison to those two.

Keelerman, AND Dublin's was an easy work for him.

But I can see the critics coming out of the woodwork to criticize it as too fast.

Tim G 19 Apr 2010 12:00 PM

"BOREL WINS 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY!"--El Kabong

El,

Calvin Borel rode Jackson Bend in the Wood Memorial. Do we know yet who he's on for the Derby?

CV 19 Apr 2010 12:03 PM

Anybody know if Zayat is forced to sell Esky immediately (pre-derby), or just as long as it is before September or so when his $2Million deposit is due?

TJLuvsTizs 19 Apr 2010 12:05 PM

CV-

I would fall off my high horse and land on my head if he didn't ride Super Saver. I really believe it is a lock. He doesn't have any special connection to either trainer so he will pick the better horse and I do not think he would go with Jackson unless TP wanted someone else and I can't believe that for one second either.

El Kabong 19 Apr 2010 12:14 PM

Lukas, who is tied for second on the list of most all-time Derby wins, said he was not concerned about the fast time. "The way he did it was very easy," said Lukas, who has saddled Derby winners Winning Colors (1988), Thunder Gulch   (1995), Grindstone (1996) and Charismatic (1999). "Derby horses are supposed to break a minute (in five furlong works) and the better horses will break a minute. We’re not going to the junior prom here. We had better get ready."  Gee Tim do these words sound familiar?  Sounds like something I said doesn't it ?  Here is a Multiple winner of the Derby basically saying a 102 work is not fast enough when your coming into the big dance.  But what does he know right ? I love it when I'm right!

draynay 19 Apr 2010 12:21 PM

Go Dublin ! Bullet baby !

draynay 19 Apr 2010 12:28 PM

El Kabong,

     Yes, You are right, Calvin has already said he will be riding Super Saver in the Derby(Even though I think if Jackson Bend gets in, He will finish alot higher then Super Saver)...

Greg J. 19 Apr 2010 12:34 PM

     I hope Mr. Pletcher wins the Derby this year, Then it would stop some idiotic comments about the man!  If he does, I hope it is with Mission Impazible, Even though Esky will be very tough to beat...

Greg J. 19 Apr 2010 12:48 PM

Dray,

You probably already knew, but in case you didn't I thought you'd like to know RA worked six furlongs in 1.11.4

LDP 19 Apr 2010 12:51 PM

It was mentioned somewhere that if Jackson Bend make's the starting gate, Mike Smith would be riding him.

tcc 19 Apr 2010 1:00 PM

Iazaro, and Shane,

Yes - Pletcher is fine with sound runners. He doesn't have to, and won't take a horse with a problem and nurse it through to the other side, ala Michael Dickens. He has a lot of talented, young horses, and he probably does chose good spots for them, but the real trainers to me, are the ones who do the impossible with the horses with issues. The best trainer who never won a derby? Bobby Frankel - now THERE was a trainer!

goodwin 19 Apr 2010 1:00 PM

Yes, but go ask him what he has to say about Todd's work of Eskendereya.

Todd's horse, was a maintenance work on a totally different track. Once again you're trying to make comparisons that you know nothing about.

I'd say cautious optimism because Dublin was working lights out at OP too.

Wayne's comments were more or less in reference to the serious works once they get down to it and especially when they get to CD. He was asked if he thought the colt went too fast, he answered it with his usual enthusiasm and positivity.

I've never said that Todd will win it. I've said who I hope wins it from day one. I've taken heat for it, go back and read my comments. Now with a nice work you're back on Dublin????

I'd prefer you get back on the two you were hyping a day ago.

Tim G 19 Apr 2010 1:07 PM

Great post forbidden apple and yes Tim thinks only owners and trainers know anything.  Hey Tim did you find out yet how much Mr. Pletcher is placing on Esky for the win ? lol.

draynay 19 Apr 2010 1:12 PM

Greg J.

Let's see, 9 lengths behind Eskendereya(in 3rd), plus 3lengths behind Sidney's Candy and Super Saver in a photo for first means you're off by only 12 lengths. Better go back to the barn with Jackson "No Action" angle.

El Kabong 19 Apr 2010 1:26 PM

Calvin is on SS. That is why you better not leave him out of your exotics.

Dublin was working that way in the morning in Arkansas as well. 2nd. 3rd. 3rd. Just sayin... I love the colt, I just want to see him run by horses in the stretch

Awesome Act, Line of David, and Noble's Promise all work tomorrow morning.

Forbidden Apple, quiet about awesome act. Julien held him back on purpose last race, he knew he threw a shoe...

Jason, you going in the morning? If so, let me know so we can maybe grab a coffee...

Billy's Empire 19 Apr 2010 1:29 PM

Billy: I will be at Churchill beginning next Tuesday. If you, or anyone else, is going to be on the backside Tuesday or Wednesday, it would be great to meet up.

Jason Shandler 19 Apr 2010 1:47 PM

Pletcher's "domination" of the preps isn't "unprecedented".

He's done it before.

Let's review:  In 2007 he won the IL Derby, Florida Derby, Louisiana Derby, Gotham, Fountain of Youth, Sam F Davis & Hutcheson.  He not only won the Hutcheson he showed in it too.  He lost Tampa Bay by a nose.  He placed in the Robert B Lewis.  He placed & showed in the Santa Anita Derby.  He showed in the Wood & Arkansas Derby.

There was a lot of hype about his domination, complete with predictions that his strong contingent was bound to hit the board since he had 25% of the field.  

I fell for it and used his horses in all my exotics despite warnings from successful handicappers to stay away from him in the Derby no matter how good he does in the preps.  They reminded me of his spectacular flop with Bandini.  Bandini was another big buzz horse of Pletcher's and was one of the top 3 favorites in the 2005 Derby.  Pletcher even said Bandini had "all the right tools" to get 10 furlongs....sound familiar?  

Back to 2007....Pletcher's best finish that year was 6th.  I thought for sure the media would stop hyping him after that fiasco.  

I've tried to figure out why he usually does so poorly in the Derby.  I've noticed most of his horses seem to hate the 20-horse bumper car race.  Don't know if it's something his barn does in training, or if it's the pedigrees they get, or what else might explain it, but it's there to see if you take the time to watch his past flops.    

Ann Ahnomous 19 Apr 2010 1:48 PM

Don't believe Jason:

He left me and a couple of bodacious female 'turf writer' groupies hanging the week of the BC last year. :(

Then I later find out that he and LaMarra sure made time to hang-out with RuPaul & her 'girlfriends'. Ain't that right Jason?...  lol

Carlos in Cali 19 Apr 2010 2:24 PM

GunBow,

Enjoyed your comment on closing weekend at Santa Anita. It always goes too fast for me. It's a long way to Sept. 29...

Re Tuscan Evening, I figured that this was the race to bet against her, since she had never gone that far. I landed on Eclair de Lune, the German filly. Wrong! on both counts! TE is a wonderful, ordinairy looking mare with true grit!

Re Bourbon Bay, what a horse! He deserves a nice rest after the winter he's had this year. He's only 4, so hopefully we'll see much more from him.

Stalingrad who ran these crazy early fractions reminded me of Pressious Passion. (Without the end grittiness) At 1 3/4 miles, it was no shock when he folded. Unusual Suspect was a surprise, running a fast closing 2nd. You just can't ignore any Unusual Heat runner. When I do, it always comes back to bite me. Ouch!

I was looking forward to see Megahertz's first foal:  Causeithertz (by Giants Causeway) scratched out of the 6th race, to my great dissapointment. I don't know if you've ever seen Megahertz in person... if you have, I know you share my dissapointment. We can only hope that this 3yr old colt has, at least, some of his dam brilliance. Small, but what a powder keg!

Dr Drunkinbum,

As you put it, our favorite underachiever, the drop dead gorgeous Mr Hot Stuff, strutted his stuff to no avail at SA yesterday. I went down to the paddock area to have a close look at him. A trainer who was standing next to me, by the rail at the walking ring, commented: "Damn! that's a good looking son of a b..., but they better geld him if they want him to win any races!" I still put a small bet on him... there's no accounting for abject "gagaism"!

Terrible news about Tiz Chrome. RIP beautiful Tiznow colt. You left us too soon... I feel sad for his connections. What a heartbreak it must be. Such unfullfilled promise! It must be very hard...

Zookeeper 19 Apr 2010 2:29 PM

Sounds good Jason, Look forward to it.

Billy's Empire 19 Apr 2010 2:33 PM

RA worked six furlongs in 1.11.4

She has to work on distances also.

If she cant' go passed a mile she might as well stay home.

Because QR and Zenyatta can definitly go passed the mile mark.

Zenyatta loves more than a mile.

PhonyJJ 19 Apr 2010 2:36 PM

Before you get too excited about Dublin's workout take note that his gallop-out was not so impressive. He went from a 59.13 in 5f to a 113.36 gallop out for 6f. That's a 14.23 last furlong and it is already reported elsewhere that he looked lackluster finishing his work. It wasn't the brilliant work some would like you to believe. He's not exactly a stout closer and should have gone by Line Of David in his last who did not finish particularly fast himself.

gw_bushwacker 19 Apr 2010 2:54 PM

Let's not worry about Jackson Bend making the Derby.  When 85ina50 wins next week he will move ahead of Jackson and any hopes he had of making the dance.  Thanks for info Billy I am very eager to see how Noble's Promise bounces back. LDP I did see Rachel fire a 111 it's great to have the HOY back and ready to go.

draynay 19 Apr 2010 3:10 PM

Although handle and attendance were expectedly down, I still think the recently concluded Santa Anita meet was very special.  The 3 year old contingent based at Santa Anita was possibly the strongest in a decade, and there were many multiple stakes winners.

My choice for seasonal honors is similar to the official Santa Anita selection.

3 Year Old Male- Sidney's Candy: Won the 7 furlong gr. 2 San Vicente, 8.5 furlong gr.2 San Felipe, and 9 furlong gr.1 Santa Anita Derby.

3 Year Old Female- Crisp: Won the gr.3 Santa Ysabel and gr.1 Santa Anita Oaks.

Blind Luck, winner of the gr.1 Las Virgenes and close 3rd in the SA Oaks, is  2nd.  Evening Jewel 3rd.

Older Male- Misremembered: Won the 10 furlong gr.1 Santa Anita Handicap, and was 2nd in the 7 furlong gr.1 Malibu and 9 furlong gr.2 Strub.

Older Female- Zenyatta: Won the gr.1 Santa Margarita.

St. Trinians, winner of the gr.2 Santa Maria and the listed Paseana, is 2nd.

Male Turf Horse- Bourbon Bay: Just the 3rd horse ever to sweep the 12 furlong gr.2 San Luis Obispo, 12 furlong gr.2 San Luis Rey, and 14 furlong gr.2 San Juan Capistrano.

A deserving 2nd is Compari, winner of the 8 furlong gr.2 Arcadia and two Cal-bred stakes, the 8 furlong Crystal Water and 6.5 furlong Sensational Star.

Female Turf Horse- Tuscan Evening: First to sweep the 6.5 furlong gr.3 Monrovia, 8 furlong gr.2 Buena Vista, 9 furlong gr.2 Santa Ana, and 10 furlong gr.2 Santa Barbara.  In both the Santa Ana and Santa Barbara, Tuscan Evening carried the most weight by a winner since 1979.

Attention should also be given to Proviso, who defeated males in the gr.1 Kilroe Mile.

Sprinter- Ventana: This is tough because the two best sprinters were Bob Black Jack and Kinsale King.  Bob Black Jack was the most impressive when winning the gr.2 San Carlos.  However, Kinsale King parlayed his win in the gr.2 Palos Verdes into a win in the gr.1 $2 million Golden Shaheen in Dubai.  I selected Ventana because he was a close 2nd to Kinsale King in the Palos Verdes, 2nd in the San Carlos, and won the gr.2 Potrero Grande.

Horse of the Meet- How about a tie between Tuscan Evening and Sidney's Candy?

GunBow 19 Apr 2010 3:11 PM

I forgot the main reason why the Santa Anita meet was so special- safety.  Very few horses suffered fatal injuries during races, and I believe the number was low for training as well.  The small number of injuries is reflected in the large number of horses that were able to win multiple stakes races.

Say what you will about synthetics, but in terms of safety, the Santa Anita track maintenance crew deserves much praise.  

The one negative was the days lost to rain.  However, I do not believe there was a cancellation after Feb 27th.

GunBow 19 Apr 2010 3:22 PM

I am getting there at 7am, so i will try to post something by 9am about what's going down...

Plus, all of Todd's horses get to town tomorrow...

Billy's Empire 19 Apr 2010 3:39 PM

No Dray, I just don't believe that someone READING a PUBLISHED work on the workout sheet or reading a story written about it has any insight on the inner workings as to what is going on INSIDE these operations or what the trainer is trying to get out of any particular work for his horse.

Now if you think differently and believe that you know more about it than anyone on the inside? You're delusional. Like I said you should ask Wayne about it as it applies to Todd.

I would NEVER ask someone how much they're betting on their horse. That shows NO class.

If they want to volunteer the information? I'll listen, but not spread gossip. If they want to talk about it in print? Then I'll discuss it.

I've known how much certain people have bet on certain horses in the Derby and other big races in the past, they chose to tell me but it went no further, except HE chose to talk about it.

Most of them aren't like Rick Dutrow and brag about how much they're betting. Who I believe said he bet that on his BC Classic horse but wouldn't bet on Big Brown?

I don't and won't do it on here, why would I disclose someone else's private business?

Tim G 19 Apr 2010 3:42 PM

As I posted last week, Drosselmeyer to The Preakness.

Gary Lynn 19 Apr 2010 3:43 PM

Jason, are you going to do a handicapping contest on the blog again? If so, can we make all of the picks known this time so we can call out the one's that are full of it. I will give my picks for the entire card on Wednesday, since I will not be near a computer the rest of the week.

Golf Scramble thu.

OAKS Fri

DERBY Sat

SLEEEEEP Sunday

Best week of the year....

Billy's Empire 19 Apr 2010 3:44 PM

Pletcher is one of the all-time best at the job, no real arguement there (Derby or not).  

But I'll never forget how Pletcher ruined Rags To Riches at the Belmont Stakes.  A great win for both, yes, but the horse was never the same.  Not the brightest idea by the trainer or owner to go against that crop of 3 year olds that year, or Curlin, for a Classic, IMO.

Rags was a super horse and could have been "treated" to a stellar career.  That girl ran lights out, and pitting her against some of the best we've seen in a long time, only meant her putting her ego and life on the line.

Curlin 19 Apr 2010 3:46 PM

Zookeeper

   Mr Hot Stuff is a scrub but it wouldn't surprise me if he was a good sire. No way I'd geld him. It wouldn't do any good. I don't understand that comment at all. He's under control, he just doesn't like to put out the effort. He'd be at stud right now if I had him. It doesn't matter what his record is. If his offspring achieve then his price will go up. Start him at 1k or 2k. Yes, I figured you'd be upset about Tiz Chrome. We'll never get used to that aspect of racing, and there is no reason we ever should.

Dr Drunkinbum 19 Apr 2010 3:52 PM

Dublin's work was way too fast for the distance, he's not running a mile race, it's a 1 1/4 mile race.  Of course Lukas will say something good about the workout, what trainer would say "OH, that's way too fast, I don't think we have anything left"...I've never read or hear a trainer comment negatively on their horses workout prior to any big race let alone KD.  

I hit the PEN 5 at SA on Apr 9th for 18Gs and was thinking about going to the Derby but all the places are booked and the houses for rent that weekend costs 2 to 5Gs!!  Anyone have any suggestions ?  I'd love to go to my first KD but I don't want to shell out 2Gs just to for a place to stay specially if I'm only going to be there half the day, the other half will be at the track lol.

jayjay 19 Apr 2010 4:32 PM

Jason,

I will be on the backside Thursday and Friday and would like to meet up with you.  However, there is no way on earth I am admitting to being "Ted from LA" in public.  It's embarrassing enough here in fantasy land.  Can't wait to see how Endorsement takes to Churchill.

Ted from LA 19 Apr 2010 5:23 PM

Drosselmeyer is going straight to the Preakness.. Rest in peace Tiz Chrome...  you were absolutely a gorgeous colt with a lot of untested talent...  I was looking to the future with you...  God Bless...

Mindy C. 19 Apr 2010 5:34 PM

Ted: Not sure if I'll be there Thursday. Friday for sure. I thought once Caracortado tanked you decided to wait until 2011?

Jason Shandler 19 Apr 2010 6:19 PM

Dr Drunkinbum,

I see your point. Look what has happened with Unusual Heat. His owners were his only supporters when he went to stud. They sent most of their mares to him. Now, his offsprings are burning up the tracks in California. Mr HS has the genes if not the will and I swear he gets better looking every time I see him. Hope Winstar sees thing the way you do.

Zookeeper 19 Apr 2010 6:25 PM

They might as well try Mr. Hot Stuff at stud.  I don't think he will ever clear that allowance condition!  I'll be hoping for a good stallion career for this handsome horse -- his name certainly hints at success with the ladies.

Pam S. 19 Apr 2010 6:43 PM

Mission Impazible Wins Kentucky Derby        [ by ten lengths in a runaway ]

JOE 19 Apr 2010 6:45 PM

jayjay, haven't heard Wayne say that but have heard others express some concern after a fast work the week before the Derby. He was eager and a bit too sharp to work as planned against the other colt, but he did do it very easy...so....

The thing too is that's the way he works, not too sure about the gallop out but they seemed to get what was wanted.

If the Derby was this weekend, maybe it would have been too fast, but we're still 11 days out and remember, there are some people thinking of trying to qualify in the Trial on Saturday!

He's a big stout colt, has had a long layoff and he was just a few ticks under a minute. Think that won't hurt him.

Hope you guys got to go to the reopening of the Museum. If not go when you can, pretty neat.

Tim G 19 Apr 2010 6:48 PM

Zookeeper:

Since Causeithertz scratched, I didn't bother to look at his pedigree.  

Little Megahertz!  I was living in Michigan when she was running out in Cali.  However, I did see her in the Beverly Hills and John Mabee(Ramona) when I visited and saw her in the 05' Beverly D(2nd) and the Breeder's Cup. It would have been appropriate had Causeithertz run the weekend of the Santa Barbara given Megahertz won that race a record 3 times.

As for Tuscan Evening, I was very confident once Cat by the Tale scratched.  TE certainly doesn't look like a distance horse, being somehwat short and stocky(strong hind muscles), but she is rating so well now and is ultra competitive.  In the last 6 months I've seen her win 5 graded stakes in person.

GunBow 19 Apr 2010 6:58 PM

There will be no horses coming from the back 15 in the Kentucky Derby because the winner will be sitting in the first five and in this years derby the winner will be from post 2,3,4 all the way around the track until the one mile and one eighth pole and then bam you will see Mission Impazible start pulling away from the field and win by 10 lengths and that is the way it will play out.  I have run that race a hundred times over in my head and it always comes the same way.   Mission Impazible has such a burst of energy at the end of a race who is going to beat him.   If you watch all of his races to date how can you miss it.  If the SouthWest Stakes were a longer race that horse would of won that race for fun.    Joe  

JOE 19 Apr 2010 7:05 PM

jayjay:

It sounds like you have some money to spend.

However, if you want to do the Oaks and Derby cheap, I know the way.  I went to the Oaks and Derby in 2005-2007 and 2009, and kept my budget under $200 each time.

First question.  Do have to stay in Louisville?  Obviously, alot of people like to go to Louisville and attend all the parties and partake in the night life.  If you are traveling in a group or with someone else, my plan would still work because you would have a designated driver.  If you're going solo and have to be in Louisville, what I'm about to write won't apply.

My plan has been to stay in hotels about 30-45 minutes out of Louisville.  Because I drove from Michigan, I stayed on the Indiana side of the Ohio River, about 40 mintues drive north of Louisville.  In a town like Seymour, there are a number of affordable chain hotels, and because they are in Indiana, I never had a problem with vacancy.  

If you are going with a guest, it would still be possible to party in Louisville and then have one of you drive back at night; it's not ideal, but at least you will be there.  On the morning of the Oaks/Derby, you'll have to get up a little early, but I've never experienced any traffic driving south into Louisville.  In fact, it always surprised me how easy it was.  

For parking, I went with Papa John Stadium(where Louisville plays football), at a cost of $10; there is always plenty of space and it's only a quarter of a mile from Churchill.  Also, by parking at the stadium, you can get off the feeway north of Churchill(in the Louisville U area) and avoid the heavier traffic further south.  Like I said, it's very easy.  And getting out of the stadium and driving back north is very easy as well.  Given the hundreds of thousands of people, it never ceased to amaze me how quickly I got out of the stadium and onto the freeway heading north.

I never tried to get seats for the Derby.  I always did the $40 general admission. While you won't get much of a view of the actual races(at best you might see a half a mile), you will have access to the paddock.  If you work through the crowd and are slightly above  average in height, you can see all the horses, trainers, jockeys, owners, tv personalities, celebrities, etc that congregate in the paddock.  And by the time the Derby is run, many are so drunk they're not even looking at the horses in the paddock.  

GunBow 19 Apr 2010 7:19 PM

Mr. Hot Stuff is a black hole as it concerns wagering.  That horse just gobbles up money.  It continues to surprise me how many people still fall for his "potential".  At one time during the betting yesterday, he was actually the favorite! Talk about insanity!  Why do people expect the results to be any different?  He's just not that good.  

But yes, he's a grand looking colt.  But what's up with the white/gray circles around his right eye?  I had never noticed that before.

It looks like Eoin Harty might have Mr Hot Stuff Part Deux with Kettle River.

GunBow 19 Apr 2010 7:27 PM

It's going to be Rule somewhere in the triple crown

libbyhorse11 19 Apr 2010 7:36 PM

Tim maybe you and jayjay need to look up works before the Derby by Street Sense, Big Brown and Barbaro. Too fast....funny.  You won't find recent winners working out in 102 and change that's for sure.

draynay 19 Apr 2010 7:51 PM

i think that pletcher should put devil may care in the field based on the fact that the one other time he ran a filly in the tc series it was rags to riches who beat a future 2 time hoy curlin in the belmont stakes

anna 19 Apr 2010 7:53 PM

JOE :  I sure hope that you bet show money on MI because I think that's as close as he'll get (if he gets 3rd) hehehe.  There will be a lot of tired horses that will affect the come from behinds and the stalkers.  If Icebox runs the way he did in the Florida Derby and Jose rides him the same way (way outside), he should get up there.  Jose is a smart rider, he'll know to pull back on Ice box to midpack on the outside, he'll get a clear shot on the stretch with L@L right behind him and Dean's Kitten behind L@L.  They'll be trying to catch Esky (if Esky doesn't get trapped inside or have any trouble) who will be stalking 2 or 3 lengths behind SC, and will make his move at the top of the stretch.  If he's good enough, he'll pull away and win by 4 or 5 lengths...or lose by a lenth to Ice Box :)

Tim : yeah, you're probably right with the 11 days away, I just thought that most of these contenders have already had their workouts in their prep races, they need to stay fit so I think galloping is my choice, they're already fit, they're young horses so working on their stamina for the  KD is what I would focus on.  I'm not a trainer, far from it but I just want to make sure none of these awesome horses gets hurt doing something I personally think is not necessary.  

My previous blog about trainers changing their tactics for the Derby kind of sums it all up, some would like 6 weeks rest before the derby because they know it's a long race for their youngins, some likes it 4 weeks because they think their horse is peaking at the right time.  At the end of the day, I really just want to see all of them run, the best of the 3 yr olds, no excuses so that whoever wins will get the credit without anyone throwing excuses as to how their horse performed (pre-race.)

So that come Sunday, I can post my winnings on Icebox/Esky/L@L/Dean's Kitten here with my bragging rights :)

Peace!

jayjay 19 Apr 2010 7:56 PM

Leave Devil right where she is  she's my lock for the Oak ! Yes anna we all know Rags to Riches won the Belmont but did you know she never won another races again?

draynay 19 Apr 2010 8:13 PM

GunBow,

I look over the PPs the night before I go to the races, so I was all excited about seeing Causeithertz. I'm glad you remember his dam well. Hard to forget this small torpedo, charging from behind, to win as often as she did.

Tuscan Evening is amazing as well. She's 5 now, so this might be her last year of racing. Although, I know of another one who came back at 6...

Has the KD picture cleared up a bit for you yet? Would love to see your top picks. I made a list last week subject to change after the post positions have been drawn and also the morning of the race, if the weather becomes a factor.

Eskenderya, Endorsement, Sidney's Candy, Stately Victor, Lookin at Lucky are my first 5, followed by Awesome Act, Dublin, Mission Impazible, Ice Box and Paddy O'Prado for the second set of 5. Hated to leave American Lion out of the 10. Now, watch him win the Derby!

Zookeeper 19 Apr 2010 8:16 PM

dray, I don't HAVE to look it up, I LOOKED at them.

I didn't say it was too fast.

I said some people have said that and Wayne responded because he was pretty sure that's what would be said. I also know that he didn't quite gallop out like some wanted to see, but the Derby is 11 days away. Surely as the genius you proclaim to be, you can READ?

I also know that they planned the work a bit differently but he was pretty eager, so it was changed up a bit. Tell me where I said the work WAS too fast.

I said maybe some would think it was too fast but there is plenty of time out from the Derby if it would have been his last work a LOT of people would be saying that (think you said that about one either last year or year before). I was addressing jayjay and his comment.

You're all talk and everyone knows you're a blowhard and cannot settle on a Derby horse. When you hit one it's an accident or pure chalk. I've not hidden exactly who I'm hoping wins it, that is Dublin, so I'm watching his works a little closer for many reasons. Also as I said a couple of times, that's the way he usually works.

Tim G 19 Apr 2010 8:17 PM

Jason,

Caracortawho?  Yesterday's news.  Move into the month of April.  I will not decide on my Derby horse until I see the board 20 minutes before the race.  Ironically, those are the shortest lines on Derby Day due to everyone betting early and getting in just the right place for My Old Kentucky Home.

Ted from LA 19 Apr 2010 8:20 PM

POORMANSRACEHORSE

I totally agree,I don't even like him. He did a great job with Dunkirk last year,didn't he?

Mike Relva 19 Apr 2010 8:20 PM

TED FROM LA

"Yesterday's news" ? I recall you picked him way back in Feb to win the Triple Crown!

Mike Relva 19 Apr 2010 8:24 PM

GunBow,

After all the nice things I've said about you... you call me insane? Boo!hoo!  :)

Zookeeper 19 Apr 2010 8:24 PM

Tiz Chrome was such a cool colt. Larry Zap has several fun youtube videos that feature him.  I never thought of him as a Derby horse but he could've had a great future at shorter distances.  My first thought on reading of his death was for Sara, his regular exercise rider.  She really loved him, that was clear, and she must have been devastated when she heard the sad news.

Peace be with you, Chromey boy.  You won a lot of hearts.

sherpa 19 Apr 2010 9:21 PM

Sidney's Candy worked a 59.80 5f at Churchill on Saturday.

tcc 19 Apr 2010 9:31 PM

Off topic, But looks like no go in the La Troienne for Rachel, My guess is the Alysheba, We shall see...

Greg J. 19 Apr 2010 10:00 PM

Those clocked weekly bullet sprint works are a smokescreen!!! Find out who's giving there Derby contender a 13/F mile (unclocked mile around 1:44) 3 or 4 days after that clocked sprint and you've got your winner.---Remember last year how Chip was questioned about MTB's stronger than usually two lap gallop on the off days???

All the pedigree ---heart score doesn't build staminia if you don't build on a work every fourth day.

I would like to know more about Shannon Ritter ---Endorsement strung together 8 strong 12/sec furlongs just over (36:55 last 3F) going away from Conveyance at the finish line in the Sunland(1:48:46)

As long as race fans aren't aware that the trainers of yesterday worked there horses twice a week or more at (13.5F rate) betters are going to lose there shirts to handicappers that are aware of this.----And frankly I don't believe Todd Pletcher is or he would have had one in the winners circle at the Derby before now.---Anyone know what kind of works Ritter gives his horse on the off clocked days????

How about Dale Romans (Paddy O'Prado)and John Sadlers(Sidney's Candy) Which one of these trainers does the best with claimers that are getting 15 or more starts a year????  You Don't build Triple Crown Winners in the stall and its time we quit worrying about bullet works and started building a solid foundation on these young horses LONG SLOW DISTANCE

nmhiplains 19 Apr 2010 10:03 PM

Zookeeper:

I know you're just teasing me, but I wasn't thinking abpout anyone in particular as it concerns betting on Mr Hot Stuff.  It was directed at those bettors who made him one of the favorites.  Did you really bet him?

When I was in the paddock for the San Juan, I overheard two guys praising themselves for laying off Mr Hot Stuff.  In the past they had believed MHS was sitting on a breakout race.  They had learned their lesson.

Did you notice MHS's right eye?  He has gray coloring around the eye.

GunBow 19 Apr 2010 11:57 PM

If Mr Hot Stuff were a basketball player, he would be on the All Warm-up Team.  That refers to players that look great during the warmups but stink in actual games.

If races were decided in the paddock, Mr Hot Stuff might be undefeated.  

At least he is gr.1 placed(SA Derby).

GunBow 20 Apr 2010 12:01 AM

I love the work by Dublin today.  I just think he'll be overlooked in the Derby and that's a mistake.  Lukas hasn't been to the Derby with a horse like Dublin in quite some time, but we all know once he gets there, he's dangerous.  Right now, I'm looking at the 2-3 finishers in the Arkansas Derby to take 1-2 in the KY Derby.  As of right now, it's a Super Saver & Dublin exacta box for me.

    And who in the hell is posting under my name?!

Pletcher is one of the all-time best at the job, no real arguement there (Derby or not).  

But I'll never forget how Pletcher ruined Rags To Riches at the Belmont Stakes.  A great win for both, yes, but the horse was never the same.  Not the brightest idea by the trainer or owner to go against that crop of 3 year olds that year, or Curlin, for a Classic, IMO.

Rags was a super horse and could have been "treated" to a stellar career.  That girl ran lights out, and pitting her against some of the best we've seen in a long time, only meant her putting her ego and life on the line.

Curlin 19 Apr 2010 3:46 PM

Curlin 20 Apr 2010 12:14 AM

Jason,

Yet another blog dedicated to your number one trainer Todd Pletcher.  Your focus on his achievements or lack there of knows no bounds. I think you have over done it this time.

“Todd Pletcher needs to win the Kentucky Derby to get the monkey off his back”

I gather Mr. Pletcher is one level below the top of Mr. Maslow's Hierarchy of Human Needs i.e., SELF CTUALIZATION (Achieving Individual potential) Do you really believe that Mr. Pletcher has not achieved his Individual potential? Are you implying that the absence of a Kentucky Derby victory prevents him from reaching the Self Actualization level? Mr. Pletcher has already proven that he is a good trainer and an excellent stable operator. In fact, he has already reach the top level of Mr. Maslow's Hierarchy. He will always be a good trainer but not a great one so do not expect him to perform above his potential.

"There will be no excuses for Pletcher this year”

What were the excuses in 2007 when his starters accounted for 25% of the Derby field?  What accounted for the failures of Circular Quay, Any Given Saturday, Sam P, Scat Daddy and Cowtown Cat? Collectively they won 6 derby preps in 2007.

“Starting now and through the next two weeks, all eyes will be on Pletcher and his powerful stable of 3-year-olds”

Jason, your supporters are smart individuals. You cannot sate that four or five of Todd’s likely starters will be somewhere between the odds of 15-1 to 30-1 and follow up the above statement. Powerful 3YO do not have forecast odds of 15-1 to 30-1. Why will the focus be on Todd’s stable? Neither Super Saver nor Interatif won as 3YOs. Rules defeated School Yard Dream & Uh Oh Bango in his last two victories. Are any of those colts in contention for the derby? Mission Impazible defeated A Litter Warm a sprinter who was making his two turn debut. Discreetly Mine could not get by A Litter Warm who is unlikely to be a starter in the Derby because of stamina limitations.  What powerful stable of 3YOs are you referring to?

“Over the past two months, Pletcher’s 3-year-olds have won seven of the 21 graded Derby preps at one mile or more on dirt (or synthetics)”

Mr. Sadler has won five Derby preps with four being graded at a mile or more on dirt (or synthetics). It is interesting that you believe that all eyes will be on Todd P’s powerful stable of 3YOs when two of Mr. Sadler’s charges have soundly defeated Super Saver and Interatif. It took Todd six horses to achieve his seven graded victories, while Mr. Sadler achieved his four graded victories with three. It appears you are so focused on Todd powerful stable that you have not realized that Sadler has achieved more with less. Sadler’s best charge is Sydney’s Candy and he is a far superior horse in every department to Todd best, Eskendereya.

Your #1 trainer has a significant advantage in quantity but is at a serious disadvantage in quality. None of his contenders can beat Lookin At Lucky, Stately Victor, Sydney’s Candy, Ice Box , Conveyance and Line Of David.

Todd will need no excuses as he is already aware he does not have the horse to win the 2010 derby. Do you realize that Ice Box ran 1:49 plus without changing leads; Stately Victor ran the fastest Bluegrass since the installation of the synthetic track at Keeneland. The times recorded for each quarter in the 2010 Bluegrass represented a record for the race on the new surface. Sidney’s Candy ran the fastest SA Derby since the installation of the synthetic track. Do you realize Sidney’s Candy recorded fractions of 22.77, 45.50, 1:08.62 and 1:20.91 in the 7F San Vincent Stakes. Eskendereya could not run that fast if affixed with an additional leg and an oxygen tank . Are you also aware that the last time a colt sired by a stallion that set a World Record flashed that kind of speed he won the derby? Smarty Jones was sired by Elusive Quality who set or equaled the WR for a mile on turf. Candy Ride the sire of Sidney’s Candy set a WR of 1:31 flat for a mile. You should by now get an idea of what the Todd squad is up against. There will be other opportunities but he can forget a derby victory for 2010.

Coldfacts 20 Apr 2010 12:30 AM

Draynay is spot on regarding the works.  Going further back , I think Smarty Jones worked 5 panels in 58 and change.  Going further back, I think Secretariat did so in the same range right before the Derby.  I will wait to see Esky work at Churchill but I tend to agree that breezing through at 1:02 just ain't gonna get it done.

2:24 20 Apr 2010 6:09 AM

Gee, I like Todd Pletcher but I think Eskendereya has been over-hyped by the media.  I don't get him at all.  Until I actually see the post parade and make my final picks, my Exacta remains Stately Victor and Endorsement.  (and I'm talking which horses I believe can get 12f, not just 10f).

Last year I did like Mr Hot Stuff and Big Drama (who was all drama in the Preakness)...Musket Man and Papa Clem.

Slew 20 Apr 2010 8:01 AM

What's all that fuzz about how great of a trainer is TP ?.He got 200 horses !,anyone with that many well bred,expenses horses can win big races.I guarantee if given the milkman the those horses,he will win the KD.

Carlos n 20 Apr 2010 8:03 AM

Sidney's Candy had a great workout on Saturday. I'll leave him in my top 4 unless something changes in 11 days. I'm not to concerned about Eskendereya's workout like some others as it was done at the Palm Meadows Training Track which is not where workouts of :59 and change are done. It's a deep track with small tight corners. I'll be looking forward to Endorsements work over the dirt as well as Lookin At Lucky's. I think the rest are looking at in the money finishes at best.

I think Conveyance could be the Hard Spun of 2010. The best closers I see are Ice Box and Setsuko if he gets in.

As for the Oaks I'm all out with Devil May Care. I was very impressed with her last out and she made me a great deal of money in the process.      

the_wiz 20 Apr 2010 8:14 AM

Like I said. Pletxher has done a much better overall training with his horses this year. He was not to involved in the early 2 yr old preps and he slowly got his horses ready in the fall. I hope he wins. He is a great trainer and maybe some of his horses will flop. All trainers have flops. Mine that bird only won the Derby in the slop on a perfect ride by borel. He never won again. He ran but never won.

Pletcher will win a derby because he is a great consistant trainer. He just need the right horse with the great trip to win. That is true for most derby winners.

RJPPDP 20 Apr 2010 8:48 AM

I don't understand how Todd Pletcher is 0-24 in the Derby. His mentor won the race 4 times, 2 of which Todd Pletcher was his assistant trainer. Can it be when he gets to the big dance, he folds under pressure?

LV Wiseguy 20 Apr 2010 9:24 AM

Awesome Act came onto the track near the chute with his workmate, they went once around in a gallop, and the second time they came buy AA was about 2 legnths behind his workmate leaving the first turn. They moved this way around the far turn and then AA went by and at the the finish AA was about 5 in front. His gallop out was not impressive.

Noble's Promise came onto the track with Beautician. They both looked good. Noble's Promise was looking really strong after his work in the gallop out, much better than Awesome Act.

Line of David did not impress me at all. His action looked off and was choppy.

Super Saver looked the best visibly on the track. He looked tremendous. All of Todd's horses looked that way though

Sydney's Candy was bouncing over the track. He looked awesome.

Lookin at Lucky galloped a few miles. He looked sharp as well.

Other's on the track were

Paddy O Prado

Ice Box

Tidal Pool skipped over the track and Calvin was excited about her work. She had a good breeze.

Quiet Temper looked great. She has a nice way of moving and was covering a lot of ground.

Jody Slew was choppy to me, and blowing hard after 2 laps.

Beautician looked good as well. If she worked in company with NP, she was well back on the turn after the work. I am not sure if she did b/c I could not see that far down the track.

Overall, the best looking today were Super Saver and Sydney Candy for the colts and Quiet Temper for the fillies.

Billy's Empire 20 Apr 2010 9:48 AM

Zookeeper, Dr. D, Gunbow,

MHS is a horse that needs to run at 1 1/8 miles or longer.  He starts running way too late, and has had struggles switching jockeys.  

I also think he may just not like the polytrack surfaces.  He has only had two runs on dirt, The Derby, and Belmont.  I think given first level allowance company on regular dirt with distance, he would do much better.  He is just a prisoner to Eoin Harty's bases in California.  

I agree that his genes would be worth breeding to, but not as a KY bred.  

Winstar had him booked to the November Horses of All Ages sale and removed him last year.  I wonder if they will run him for a claiming price ever, or just keep him in California running in the OC races and hope they find the right combination of jockey, style and distance.

TJLuvsTizs 20 Apr 2010 9:57 AM

Tim G,

I am not a sour or rotten apple, you are just upset because I am not a Lukas/Pletcher groupie. I was only talking about the reality in today's game, I don't really care what horses Pletcher had in his stable when he started. You can try and sugar coat the reality on the backstretch all you want. Yes I know for sure that here in Saratoga Springs, Pletcher's grooms arrive at 3 am and do not get a day off. Most of them are from Chile and they work long hours for peanuts. There are very few trainers that offer a day off without risk of losing your job. A lot of workers do not even know their rights. So what other option are you thinking of? If a worker has a visa, it clearly states that they are only to work with horses. If your option is for these people to never enter the United States, then who would groom and walk horses? Most americans are not willing to wake up at 4:30 am, work with dangerous animals, and work 7 days a week at low pay. I also know for a fact here in Saratoga Springs, Zito pays $5 per hour to hotwalkers. I know because I went there myself and experienced his barn for 1 day! Not even minimum wage, what a joke. I have a full time job, I choose to show up in the mornings because of my love for horses. Good luck with Dublin.

Draynay,

If you have not watched all of Endorsements races, take a look at them soon. This horse seems to be improving every week and is full of determination. I really like the way he powers down the stretch, he always looks like he wants to do more. He is a dangerous horse along with Awesome Act. I recently told a friend that I am sticking with Awesome Act. He asked me how this horse could possibly make up 10 lengths on Eskendereya in the KY Derby. It's simple, the pace will be much faster and Eskendereya is not going to waltz around the track this time. Awesome Act tracked just behind Eskendereya for a mile in the Wood and then did not get asked to run the final 1/8. Use both of these horses along with the 3 favorites(Esk, L@L, S.C.) in your exotics.

This question is for everyone on this blog. When handicapping races how many lengths do you think make up one second of running time?

Forbidden Apple 20 Apr 2010 10:01 AM

Jason,

Had a chance to visit with Calvin Borel and he was very confident in his chances with Super Saver. We also talked briefly about Racheal. link to video is attached.

http://www.thederbydream.com/

marktoothaker 20 Apr 2010 12:09 PM

GREG J

Thanks for the information regarding the location for,Dancing in My Dreams. I visited her yesterday.

Mike Relva 20 Apr 2010 12:11 PM

Hmm interesting, Todd's filly may go now?  

Like I said, MIRACULOUS recovery by NP....

Tim G 20 Apr 2010 12:15 PM

Billy and Mark: Thanks for the updates. Appreciate it.

Coldfacts: Come back in 2011 with your "useful" pedigree info. Your pick this year, Connemara (lol), didnt make it to the gate.

Jason Shandler 20 Apr 2010 1:08 PM

Draynay : I know it's easy to refer back to previous winners to prove your point the past is already a fact.   So are you saying that Dublin is in the same level as those horses ??  I think you're delusional if you think that way, while it would be nice for Lukas to win another derby, it won't be with Dublin.  Unlike you,I don't have the time to research all these previous workouts (of previous winners even), I don't pay attn to them too much.  I'm quite sure a "slow poke" has won the Derby without having to work out with a sizzling 6f workout.

It's funny how you have started posting your "LOCK" for the Oaks, are you still checking out bandwagons, which ones has the "fast" looking wheels ??

How about you post your LOCK for the Derby ?  Obviously, you handicapped the Oaks already and you were able to pick a LOCK, show us your handicapping prowess and post who the KD winner is.  I promise you, I won't bet it (unless you copy my picks hehe)

If I have to guess, you're so lost as to who to pick that you read this blog to find out who to bet on which is fine, not all of us can pick a winner.  If you really need help, just follow my picks and you might just make some money :)

jayjay 20 Apr 2010 1:12 PM

Slew.  Over hyped in the media is right.  What did Dunkirk cost again?  Derby favorite and Wood winner curse will be lifted by Pletcher?  Like his mentor he will hit when we least expect it if he continues to load the gates.  The only Lukas trainee that made sense was Winning Colors as she had won the Santa Anita Derby by about 10 lengths and could rattle off some blistering fractions,and it took every breath to hang on for a Derby score.  This is going to be a "Lil E Tee" "Casual Lies" type of year.  30,000 superfecta baby!!!  Look for 4 horses that cost less than 25,000.

Householder 20 Apr 2010 1:45 PM

the wiz

 There is no Hard Spun this year. He was a phenom.

TJLuvsTizs

  That is where Mr Hot Stuff is supposed to be running is a dry dirt track. Many horses don't have the careers they should because they are stuck with poly track trainers. MHS looked great pre-race 2009 Derby. Maybe you can blame his performance on the off track, I don't know. I think he has talent but not the heart. I would match him up with a mare that raced with proven class to produce winners. I don't believe he'll run in a claiming race, but in this tough market you never know. I like AL but will he be ready in time? He's going to win some big races.

Dr Drunkinbum 20 Apr 2010 1:56 PM

FA, there's a way to talk about things without sounding bitter.

If you KNOW all this for a fact you also KNOW this: The DOL cracked down in 2008, Todd was one who payed the back wages, several others didn't.

Lukas wasn't even on the list.

In 2009 the DOL found that almost every trainer was in compliance with minimum wage, overtime laws. There was a lot of misunderstanding and that was clarified and all but a handful have made restitution. Those who didn't either filed an appeal. Those few were facing revocation of their license.

I seriously doubt that most of these guys would want to pay the fines or face losing their license.

www.labor.state.ny.us/.../July28_2009.htm

The new immigration laws are making it tough to get anyone for these jobs. Most Americans don't last long with the hard work they face and I'm not sure if you know it or not, but Todd started out as a hotwalker then moved up to a groom for Lukas, Whittingham etc.

Tim G 20 Apr 2010 2:10 PM

"Yes anna we all know Rags to Riches won the Belmont but did you know she never won another races again?"--draynay

Gee, I wonder why? Oh, that's right, Rags fractured her right front pastern in the Gazelle, her next race! Then, she re-injured herself training for her return and was retired. Did you know that's why she never won another race draynay?

Greg J.,

Is it certain Rachel won't run in the La Troienne? She seems to be training well.

CV 20 Apr 2010 3:01 PM

Billy's Empire,

Thank you for being our eyes & ears on the backtrack at CD this week. Very useful and appreciated comments.

GunBow,

Yes, I was teasing and yes, I did bet on Mr Hot Stuff. You're a very logical person, so you would never do such a foolish thing... but you see, logic has nothing to do with abject "gagaism". I did see the circle around his right eye. Like you, I had never noticed it before. What was it? War paint residue? lol!

TJLuvsTizs,

If they ever run him in a claiming race, I may lose my head completely and literally bet the zoo by claiming him and standing him in California. (OK! I'm getting delirious!) Better sign off now before they come to take me away...

Zookeeper 20 Apr 2010 3:12 PM

"Tim maybe you and jayjay need to look up works before the Derby by Street Sense, Big Brown and Barbaro. Too fast....funny.  You won't find recent winners working out in 102 and change that's for sure".

draynay 19 Apr 2010 7:51 PM

nay nay,

The fact is that Street Sense worked 5f in 1:04 at CD in April before his Derby win. I love it when you are wrong!!

joe schmoe 20 Apr 2010 3:49 PM

Still want to see the final field and post positions, but the feeling right now is this is Pletcher's year. If I had to bet right now, Pletcher big horse over a boxed Baffert, Lucas and Zito. May use Pletcher's MI too.

Saratoga AJ 20 Apr 2010 4:18 PM

Maybe someone who has been watching the fillies a little more closely can help me here, but what has Devil May Care done (outside of being a good workmate?) that's makes her a logical Derby contender?

Devil May Careless 20 Apr 2010 4:39 PM

If the Derby were run today (which I hope it wasn't because that would ruin my plans for May 1):

1.  Endorsement

2.  Sydney's Candy

3.  Awesome Act

4.  Rule

Quiet Temper in the Oaks.

Ted from LA 20 Apr 2010 4:39 PM

Devil May Careless: From the article, Todd was saying that the filly would like to go long and that she's been working well with the colts but honestly, that doesn't justify it unless they just want to push someone out that they're scared of.  DMC has over 300K so she can get in with no problems.  I highly doubt that Pletcher is really thinking about entering her, he knows better.  If I were to guess, the owners are the ones considering it

 

jayjay 20 Apr 2010 5:19 PM

Coldfacts : I enjoyed your blog, I was laughing so hard about your reference to Mr. Maslow, I won't pretend I know who he is or really care who he is but it's your comments that really made me laugh.

First off, his blog says Todd has been masterful and I don't think that's overstating it because Todd HAS been masterful.  It doesn't matter if his horses has a chance to win the Derby, the fact is and you can't dispute this, his horses WON their preps, whether they beat a mule or a great horse is not the issue.

How do you even define a "great" trainer ?  Does winning a Kentucky Derby make you a great trainer ??  Do you consider Barclay Tagg a great trainer ?  I respect Barclay for what he's accomplished by he is FAR from a great trainer, unless you have another methodology for defining "great" trainer (maybe Mr. Zeuss? I don't have any idea...)

Honestly though, you are going to make me google this Human Hierarchy thingamajig as I'm curious why you even refer to that lol. I'm still laughing by the way....thanks!

jayjay 20 Apr 2010 5:30 PM

Devil May Careless

  Devil May Care annihilated what was supposed to be a strong field at GP which included one of Jason's favorite horses. I forget that filly's name now or which race it was, but it was a Graded Stakes. And she looked really good doing it, and very strong physically.

  Wouldn't it be something if Borel did it again and beats Super Horse(Esky) with Super Saver !!!

Ted From LA-You may as well do a super high five and win about 400 Grand. It will only cost $16 to make the bet using your four in order in the first 4 spots and all in 5th. Don't say you weren't advised when you miss out on 400 grand because you didn't bet it.

Dr Drunkinbum 20 Apr 2010 6:01 PM

I had a dream that Caracortado won the Derby...I need to pay a visit to  my psychiatrist! BUT, you better believe I'll be putting something on him if he actually gets in, I also had a dream the Yankees won the series in 6 before the post season started in '96!

I'd like to see Devil May Care stick to the Oaks, but I don't think Todd would even flirt with the idea if he didn't think she was capable. The soap operas that play out leading up to the Derby are always so dramatic, and 2010 is certainly not disappointing so far!

Lil Darlin 20 Apr 2010 7:09 PM

Devil May Careless

Pletcher's people had said all along that DMC was their most talented 2yo last year male or female. She was one of only 3-4 fillies nominated to the Ky Derby,so they obviously haven't lost any confidence in her. 10f will not be a problem for her and her Bonnie Miss performance @ GP was a better all around race than Eskendereya's FoY. About a month or so ago I posted that I wouldn't be surprised if she ran in the Derby. She's a top class,big & strong filly who shouldn't have a problem facing colts in a back-alley brawl like the Derby. If I were to bet on any of Pletcher's horses in the Derby,she'll be the one. I'm wandering who will ride her though....

Carlos in Cali 20 Apr 2010 7:25 PM

i don't know who's worse draynay's obsession with RA or coldfacts random babbling?

thomas 20 Apr 2010 7:36 PM

I like Sidney's Candy a ton.  I'm also digging Super Saver too (thanks for the info Billy and mark).  With Endorsement, awesome act, eskendereya, lucky and maybe rule.  If SC had ever run on dirt I'd be as confident in him as some of you are on eskendereya.

2:24 20 Apr 2010 8:21 PM

Lukas one of the greatest!  The crowd and the betters did not think so.

Charismatic 31-1, Thunder Gultch paid $51.00!, Grindstone certainly not the favorite at 6-1.  

Lil E Tee 16-1

Casual Lies 29-1

Dance Floor 33-1

Conte Di Savoya 21-1

ALL ahead of Arazi (.90 cents to a dollar)

Hammer Pletcher with the favorite?  Now he is entering a filly.  Play that too!

Householder 20 Apr 2010 8:46 PM

Yes Lil Darling it was the Pomona Derby!  No twin spires, just a ferris wheel and hammer head ride.

Householder 20 Apr 2010 8:51 PM

Pletcher's gripping! Winning Colors bel;onged in the Derby--that's the only filly I can remember who belonged, Rachel was certainly capable, but 1 1/4 on dirt v males?...I'm not sure Pletcher beats the Cali fillies--either one of them!..as for Caracortado--he's going in the Snow Chief this Sat, at Holly---no Kentucky Derby for a horse who has NEVER run a bad one!

Matthew W 20 Apr 2010 9:54 PM

I hope she goes in the Derby--I have Crisp in the Oaks Futures, and I really like her--but I really do think Pletcher has the best filly--only in the Derby she'll be overmatched/overbet---fillies in the Derby! You either are lucky to get a weak field, like Genuine Risk, or you're a brute amazon, like Winning Colors, who beat a strong field in 1988...I believe this is a strong field, and the filly will be in tough...

Matthew W 20 Apr 2010 10:00 PM

Householder - I'm telling you, I have never woken up so confused in my life, I was like, what was in my meatloaf last night?!? The Derby is always just such a fun day for me though, so like I said, if by some miracle he actually goes (and it would be at a good price one would have to assume) I'll throw something on him.  At the very least, I could claim clairvoyance if it actually happened!

Lil Darlin 20 Apr 2010 10:06 PM

The only good thing that would come out of DMC running in the derby... Homeboykris would be booted (barring any other defections).

TJLuvsTizs 20 Apr 2010 10:40 PM

Dr. D,

In regards to AL, I really like his chances.  I think the win in the Illinois Derby is much better than what appears on paper as he had the best closing 1/4 all day at Hawthorne.  He will likely have a work next week at Churchill and I would expect that they will ask him to go in the 59.6-1:00.2 to see how he takes to the track.  Hopefully they don't blow him out the way they did with CJ when he worked 5 in 57 and change two years ago.

I don't necessarily question MHS's heart, but I definitely don't think he has the head yet.  He hasn't figured out how to win (Not to mention EH called him a "doofus" last year).  IMO I think horses realize how differently they are treated after a win and finally figure out that winning is what they have been training for.  He needs another try on dirt over 9F or ride him mid pack and push him to the lead by the 1/4 pole and see how much heart he has.  But that is just me playing armchair QB when I am 1800 miles away.

TJLuvsTizs 20 Apr 2010 10:51 PM

I just went back and watched the Ill. Derby to see what the wind was actually doing, what direction, how hard, etc.  

Watching the replay on Bloodhorse at the 5:52 mark they start showing the flags on the infield all blowing hard enough to stiffen the flags (and the hair of the gals around the winner's circle).

His final 5 F in 1:01.99 into that stiff of a wind is very impressive IMO.  He will definitely be one of my plays come Derby Day.

TJLuvsTizs 20 Apr 2010 11:23 PM

TJLuvsTizs

  You could be right about MHS. That term wasn't the right one for me to use. You're right that he hasn't really had the chance to show if he has heart or not. But Dufus-yes. Would you name his son-Kid Dufus???

  Thanks for your input on AL. It confirms what I was thinking. I'm becoming a big fan of his. I had to replace Setsuko who I really love but he won't get in. AL went from nowhere to being in my top 6. I just hope he can rate or close. Could this be a rematch of 2000 Breeder's Cup Classic? Giants Causeway and Tiznow? I see a battle in this Derby, eventhough Esky appears to be the most talented I don't see how he can run away with it. Esky and Sidney's are my top two still though. Then the rest on my list are about even but I'm now a fan of AL regardless of how I end up betting. I suspect that he has a lot of class. With 20 horses everything is a stab anyway. They should just let Devil May Care win The Oaks. She was already my single there for the DD.

Dr Drunkinbum 20 Apr 2010 11:49 PM

Dr. Drunkinbum,

I am all over it.  I will win so much on Quiet Temper on Friday that I will box that Derby bet on Saturday.  I really like those four as of right now.  Still watching the works and more importantly, waiting on the post positions and Steve Haskin's last second observations.

Ted from LA 21 Apr 2010 12:18 AM

Time..tick..tock..tick..tock for the KY Derby is it Pletcher time one of the best trainer?..but there are others that can do as well, all the prep must come in Dirt to have an edge, Syntetic you say..not likely, turf not bad if it holds the form on dirt..tick..tock a long shot will come in.. not a very big prize but a long shot nevertheless..tick..Pletcher you say well he got a shot if lucky enough..but devil may care..so grab a candy..let it roll..tick..tock..tock..time to play..

So Cal Racer 21 Apr 2010 12:19 AM

jayjay, you have to understand I have to be careful giving out my Derby winners.  Las Vegas has called and asked me to wait until Friday before the Derby to give out the winners because everything I say is closely followed by betters around the world and one word from me can shift odds in Vegas greatly.  I have agreed to give the winners out next Friday.

draynay 21 Apr 2010 12:24 AM

Devil May Care is a sure winner of the Oaks. However...she's one of the top 3yos of either sex so theres no problem to run her in the derby. Mainly because as I stated early she might be the 2nd or 3rd best 3yo TP has. I actually think she'll be better than Rags to Riches

BigWill 21 Apr 2010 12:54 AM

Devilmay careless:  Devil May Care won the Bonnie Miss by 2 3/4-lengths over Amen Hallelujah, Christine Daae was somewhere in the back...not an impressive race...and she lost in the Silver Bullet Day behind Jody Slew and Quiet Temper.  I don't think she will be able to be in the $$ in the Derby.  Dumb move....but she does have the $$.  I think she's a very good filly, but not on par with the colts.

Slew 21 Apr 2010 8:01 AM

Mike Relva,

      Quite welcome!, How is she doing? Is her leg a issue anymore?, Thanks...

CV,

     Yes, Regarding Rachel not going in the La Troienne(Very reliable source, BUT, As we know, Anything is possible!), Like I mentioned, Maybe the Alysheba instead???

Greg J. 21 Apr 2010 10:10 AM

Go Dublin ! Bullet baby !

draynay 19 Apr 2010 12:28 PM

The only way Dublin wins is if the other 19 are loaded backwards in the gate and go the wrong direction when it opens. Dublin wins when pigs fly. Save any money you would wager on Dublin. You can all thank me later. Don't say I didn't warn you.

jimmie redneck 21 Apr 2010 11:43 AM

2 comments

1. It is supposed to rain as of today on Derby day. 10 days, anything can happen. Does anyone like the mud??

2. Greg, I heard from a reliable source different on Rachel. Maybe we should compare notes??!!

Billy's Empire 21 Apr 2010 11:43 AM

jayjay, you have to understand I have to be careful giving out my Derby winners.  Las Vegas has called and asked me to wait until Friday before the Derby to give out the winners because everything I say is closely followed by betters around the world and one word from me can shift odds in Vegas greatly I have agreed to give the winners out next Friday.

draynay 21 Apr 2010 12:24 AM

LMAO........just like you did last year?!!!! What a joke!! It's been two years since you picked a winner in any race here other than Big Brown and RA who millions upon millions of others picked right along side you. Maybe you should request being a guest bugler for the derby since you blow your own horn so loud. I think you would be stunning all dressed in your pink dress with your pink bow and hat and red faced from blowing so hard.

mr pibb 21 Apr 2010 11:51 AM

Greg, this is what makes me go hmm. The Alysheba is in open company, same distance, 150k purse. The La Troienne is 400k, vs fillies and mares. One way or another, she is running on Oaks Day, I guess the race is TBD.

Billy's Empire 21 Apr 2010 11:54 AM

jayjay, even though I can't side with you on Dublin. I actually heard they don't want Dray to come to Vegas or let his bets be known because the other patrons can't stop laughing at his buckshot picks long enough to gamble! Revenue really suffers. Also heard they have to declare an atmospheric warning due to the chalk clouds.

A friend told me the first time it happened the locals thought they were doing aboveground atomic testing again. Turned out it was a Draynay precipitated chalk mushroom cloud.

We all know the real reason he won't show up at the Derby. First he only has red dresses in his wardrobe, has lost so much he can't buy a new pink one. Not to worry Dray, people point and laugh at you whether you wear pink or not, due to your 'I bet the chalk' reputation.

Although I DID see a guy at Keeneland with enough guts to wear a pink ladies hat (or enough bourbon one).

Personally, could care less if you show up/make a fool of yourself in person with your blowhard bragging and betting the favorite action plan. The only thing I take exception to is your promise to also donate to the breast cancer awareness fund when you showed up. Now THAT'S a PROMISE not even YOU should shirk on.

Tim G 21 Apr 2010 12:04 PM

GREG J

She looks very good and is in foal,but her leg is always a work in progress. BTW The day earlier was at KHP to see my all time fav Cigar on his b. day they had three cakes and he had a slice. lol Also,stopped by Old Friends to take the tour and see Commentator(he looks good),talked with Michael,he was kind enough to show alot of Zenyatta pics,posters,etc. Oh,forgot to say Cigar looks and acts much younger than twenty.

Mike Relva 21 Apr 2010 12:12 PM

One of my favorite quotes ever needs to be directed at Draynay...

"You don't know when to quit, do ya Draynay?... Here's an idea: Why don't you give me half the money your were gonna to bet, then we'll go out back, I'll kick you in the n*ts, and we'll call it a day!"

TJLuvsTizs 21 Apr 2010 12:56 PM

The Rachel camp may not be willing to face Careless Jewel, who will be making her 2010 debut in the La Troienne, considering CJ's 5 furlong work in 57 and change last Saturday at Keeneland.  Ironically, there is an ESPN article entitled "Careless

Jewel won't duck Rachel".

helsbelles 21 Apr 2010 2:07 PM

JJ is not going to take a chance at another loss so soon,   If Ra happens to race on Oaks day,  I promise you it won't be with Careless Jewel in it.  I dont look for her to race until after that.  

sodapopkid 21 Apr 2010 2:53 PM

Is it just me or are all these horses firing at Churchill?  I haven't seen this many bullets since the end of Bonnie and Clyde.

Ted from LA 21 Apr 2010 3:15 PM

Good to see Lookin at Lucky work so well.  He remains my #1.  I loved the way he moved on dirt in the Rebel, and think he might have the best acceleration of any contender.  And it sounds like he was very explosive in his work today.  I truly believe he's best on dirt and just tolerates synthetics; make no mistake, he is not Pioner of the Nile. LaL is the class of the field with 3 gr.1 wins and an Eclipse award, is ratable, versatile, and has the breeding(although the 12 furlongs of the Belmont might be beyond his scope).  Pace will not affect him because he can lay close to the lead if the pace is slow or drop back if fast.  My only serious concern is if he hits the lead early in the stretch, will he prop of pull himself up without blinkers?  The horse to beat.

Eskendereya and Sidney's Candy are the only two horses I think might be more talented than Lucky.  However, both Esky and Sidney have more questions surrounding them.

2. Eskendereya

3. Sidney's Candy.

After that, I'm at a loss.  Horses that I "fear": Endorsement, Rule, Awesome Act, Super Saver, Ice Box.

GunBow 21 Apr 2010 4:05 PM

I know Careless Jewell is running in the La Troienne. There was talk of Zardana appearing there as well.

Anyone know if Zardana is definite for that race?

CV 21 Apr 2010 4:52 PM

I fear Mission Impazzible, American Lion, and Endorsement.

I remember not long ago a horse wired the Illinois Derby, only to be dismissed at 20-1, and wired the Derby field, War Emblem. Scary similar to American Lion. The only difference is War Emblem ran a 112 beyer in the Illinois, not an 85 or whatever the AL ran

Billy's Empire 21 Apr 2010 5:00 PM

Ted From LA

  You'd better find out if your horse's mudders are mudders, and der fadders too. And you might want to see if Lookin At Lucky's mudder is a mudder too. He's now the horse to beat until further notice. As far as your magic bullet theory goes-it all depends on how they look doing it.

Dr Drunkinbum 21 Apr 2010 5:32 PM

Ted From La

  I think it's going to be more like The Valentine's Day massacre than Bonnie and Clyde. Wasn't that guy with the machine gun named "Lucky", and didn't he gun down guys named Sid, The Southside Ruler, Paddy, Vic, Ice Box, Jackson, and Dean ??? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Dr Drunkinbum 21 Apr 2010 5:44 PM

Billy's Empire,

Gawd awful if it rains on Derby day, I hate that, but if it does I would go with Lookin at Lucky, being from Smart Strike, wet should not be a problem and with his experience and class, should be a winning combination.

predict 21 Apr 2010 5:49 PM

jimmie, I don't expect Dublin to win but I could use him in the bottom of my ticket.  I would like to say more but I can't right now.  Anything I say moves millions of dollars in Vegas so I have to keep my picks quiet until next Friday.  But I have the top 6 horses and he is one of them for sure.

draynay 21 Apr 2010 5:59 PM

Devil May Care!  Blind Luck was 10 in front of Amen at Hollywood now Devil May Care is going to try the Kentucky Derby based on that effort?  Blind Luck would trounce her in the Oaks.  The "Dorf" is going to take this one Light Lite style.  Throw the 2 synthetic efforts at Santa Anita out (where she still managed 3rd...about 20 in front of Devil May Care in one of the efforts, and you have one nice resume.  Never off the board.

Lookin at Lucky...nice work today all systems go!  The Santa Anita Derby is a complete toss and he has already handled the favorite.  Never off the board, multiple Grade 1 winner.

Noble's Promise...what is wrong with the one again?  Super nice work!  Fires every time against the best horses when he is not sick.  60-40 may be 70-30 chances of running after he is looked over today.  

Don't take your eye off the ball.  All roads lead through CA horses this year!

Householder 21 Apr 2010 6:20 PM

Jason where you at my man!  We need some live longshots like   Musket Man to round out the exotics.  Who is always hangin around?  Dublin?  

Householder 21 Apr 2010 6:36 PM

So if Pletcher sends his 7 horses he will have a 35% chance of winning just on sheer numbers!  

Householder 21 Apr 2010 6:47 PM

Householder: we're talking longshots on That Handicapping Show tomorrow. But its still early my friend. Middle of next week I will do a blog soley on longshots. I havent even seen the horses in person yet!

Jason Shandler 21 Apr 2010 6:56 PM

Dr. D,

SSSSHHHHH.... "Be vewy vewy qwuiet, AL is hunting wabbits!!!"

We don't want Dray or Billy's Empire to know that American Lion scored a 98 for his Illinois Derby.  

If we keep this type of information between the two of us, we may get 25 or 30-1 on May 1st.  If you want you can tell Zookeeper too, so they can feel ok about replacing Paddy O'Prado and putting AL in their top 10.  But that's it, no one else!

TJLuvsTizs 21 Apr 2010 8:01 PM

Love the works!  They can't all be morning glories.  Conveyance 46 and change!  Let the Holy Bull blood loose!!!

Looking forward to That Handicapping Show.  Can't tell if it will be speed backing up or closers rounding out the super.  Sidney's Candy vs. Conveyance up front along with Line of David (jockey instruction:  Take him to the front and let no one pass) and perhaps American Lion.  Sets up nice for keep him off the rail, blinkers off, Lucky (Baffert:  "I looked up and said what the he$% is he doing on the rail"). Lucky's looks seem to be generating some positive track "buzz" since he arrived so get up close Jason and let us know. I say he is the one to beat.

Householder 21 Apr 2010 8:38 PM

TJ, let me help you out and give you 8 horses that have no business being in the Derby and will do little more then fill space.

Rule... gives up when confronted

Ice Box... give me a break

Mission Impazible....yes it is

Line of David.... be serious

Stately Victor.... Wrong track

American Lion..... LOL !

Discreetly Mine.... 2nd tier horse

Dean's Kitten..... Who ?

draynay 21 Apr 2010 8:42 PM

TJLuvsTizs

  I don't know how they could call that a 98. He stunk. He didn't beat anyone. Looked like an old nag. It was more like a 78. These speed figures nowadays are wacky wabbits. He should be called American Turkey. Not American Lion. I didn't wink.

Dr Drunkinbum 21 Apr 2010 8:47 PM

Tim G.

Great comment on the Dray.

By the way, can planes fly in chalk dust?  Maybe CD can set up some pool tables in the parking lot to use up some of that chalk.

Also, as someone else said, what if it rains?  I'd better start wet track handicapping, instead of waiting til the last minute like last year.

Aluminaut 21 Apr 2010 8:49 PM

By the way Jason when can we comment on what a laughable joke Mr. Moss is by throwing out the Vanity as Zenyatta's next race?  What a joke. Just what we need to see Zenyatta on plastic AGAIN.  Mr. Moss do not shame Zenyatta by taking back to California to hide from Quality Road and G1 winning males.  Your HOY campaign is about to blow up in your face. 

draynay 21 Apr 2010 9:39 PM

Yeah, to the guy who says Devil May Care is a lock in the Oaks, let's just run the race, anyway, ok with you? Blind Luck's just a little bitty horse, but she kicks like a mule over dirt (Oaklawn, Hollywood, which plays like dirt/has dirt fill)...in fact, most any horse that ran well at Hollywood is a dirt horse, and Blind Luck ran lights out over there--like I wished she had run in Breeders Cup, but Blind Luck did not run her best races over the pro-ride...also Crisp is a nice filly! I have her, with Rosario, in the Oaks Futures, so I HOPE Pletcher takes his chances in the Derby with his filly...no I don't! I don't like to see a filly v males at 1 1/4--Zenyatta excluded,. but she's the exception, 1 1/4, on dirt, is a race of stamina, yes--but also a race of strength--and colts are stronger than fillies--it is NOT a fair fight---how does that make Rachel Alexandra, Winning Colors, and Genuine Risk look? Exceptional! Not the rule! The rule is, it's not a fair fight--and I took note of Rachael Alexandra's Woodward winner's circle photo--took note of her head, down low and spent, her owner's fists raised, and she hasn't come back yet, has she? Any chance she'll be at the Stephen Foster? What I'm saying is, making a filly prove it v males--at least around two turns on dirt--is unfair to the filly, and taxing...

Matthew W 21 Apr 2010 9:47 PM

Esky will be 3-2 on Derby Day....Lucky will be 5-1, second choice...Sydney will be 7-1 and that's it--everyone else will be over 10-1 on Derby Day! Yay-HA!! I'll try to beat that fave, like Sydney--LOVE American Lion (I'm guessing 17-1)...but if it comes in chalk one/two I would not be suprised....it's the Derby, where trip is king--all ya need is a good horse, and in Sydney's Candy and American Lion-- I've got two!... I've ALSO entertained the thought of Tiznow ('Lion) and Giants Causeway (Esky)---notice I said Tiznow first--that's cuz when it comes to a dog fight, Tiznow wins--I'll use him with the three faves, but I like American Lion--on top! Flying under the radar, along with David Flores...I think this horse can go fast early and still have something left, which makes him a key horse for me.....

Matthew W 21 Apr 2010 9:58 PM

I, too, would like to see Big Z race in Kentucky, in the Foster v males....of course, the Classic is their goal, as stated, so I'm not gonna second guess a team that remains perfect--I just wish they'd throw "care to the wind"...and dirt her--versus everybody!

Matthew W 21 Apr 2010 10:21 PM

Householder

  Superfecta- One speed, two pressers, one closer, and a partridge in a pear tree. OR it could be no closers unless it's Lucky or Esky getting in trouble. Lucky is the one to beat. He has it all for a strong Derby run.

Dr Drunkinbum 21 Apr 2010 10:42 PM

TJLuvs & Dr Drunkin,

Tiz not nice to tout a Tiznow colt to a Tiznowolic. What are you twying to do? Make me fall off the wagon?

Zookeeper 21 Apr 2010 10:45 PM

The Illinois Derby and Hawthorne had the worst track variant of all prep races, thus the slower time.  I said it before, but a final 5F in 1:01.99 into a 20+ MPH wind is impressive.

Derby Draw aside my top 5 are:

American Lion

Endorsement

Esky

Lookin at Lucky

Sidney's Candy

Dray,

If you want to talk about derby fillers, Noble's Promise is still going to lose to at least 3 Winstar Horses, and Dublin doesn't like to pass anyone on the stretch.

I'll gladly toss Dean's Kitten, Paddy O'Prado, HBK, Conveyance, Stately Victor, Line of David, NP, and Interactif.

There has not been a horse that has won the derby after finishing worse than 4th in their prep race in at least 10 years (I'm having trouble with derby contender PP's past 2000) Noble's Promise in the Ark. Derby- 5th= toss.

When your picks come out next Friday we will see how you compare to the rest.

Just give me half the money you were going to bet, show up in your pink dress, eat crow when the derby is done, and we will call it a day!

P.S. Why do you keep calling out Z?  I'm a huge fan of RA, but why not call out JJ for not making a decision, and not dodge Zardana and Careless Jewel in the La Troienne?

TJLuvsTizs 21 Apr 2010 11:01 PM

Aluminaut, heard Dray was in Iceland not too long ago. That isn't really volcanic dust.

Ha ha, you have the top 19 horses in any given order Dray?

I told Dublin you didn't think he could win and he said he heard you were a weirdo and please just exclude him completely. He believes you are a stalker, I agreed.

Tim G 22 Apr 2010 1:06 AM

Dr. Drunkinbum,

I have been making a concerted effort to be the biggest lunatic on this blog.  You're making my job more difficult each and every time you post.  Are you attending the Derby in person?

Ted from LA 22 Apr 2010 1:10 AM

Draynay

You want to berate Zenyatta.  Why isn't Rachel pointing towards the Foster?

LAZMANNICK 22 Apr 2010 1:23 AM

Great work by Lookin at Lucky today. I have no worry about the horse. My concerns are about handling traffic. He has had 3 bad rides. The BC Juvenile, rebel and the Santa Anita derby. If he is in the first five positions or on the extreme outside, I give no shot to win. I still think Eskendereya is the one to beat and as of right now he is my key on all my wagers next week. Much can happen in the next 10 days but for now I am happy my picks. Right now my 3 favorite works at Churchill are

1. Sidney's Candy

2. Awesome Act

3. Lookin at Lucky

RJPPDP 22 Apr 2010 1:26 AM

Forbidden Apple, you are right about how cheap the backstretch people get paid,especially by trainers with lots of good horses, Todd Pletcher, Nick Zito,Assmuessen for example they have more of 100 horses,they run horses all over the Country,those grooms and hot walkers have to go in the van with the horses,sleep  and eat like a dog,long hours and very little rest and paid less than minimum wages.Some of those horses cost millions of dollars !,and in many occasions they win purses over two,three,five millions and those grooms and hot walkers get peanuts for they effort.Those trainers get all the credit and the publicity and lots of them deserved it,but many of them should be investigated by the Labor Department for taken advantage of those people desperate for work.

Carlos n 22 Apr 2010 7:19 AM

Thomas,

It’s obvious you have been reading my posts. There have been many descriptions of my posts but “Random Babbling” is a first. I gave a lot of thoughts as to how best to respond to your misguided comment. Here goes:

At your earliest convenience I would appreciate a sample of what you consider to be “Random Babbling”

Names are proper nouns whether they are aliases no not. You should therefore make the appropriate correction to your posting name/title.

Below is a definition of Babbling extracted from the Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

There are two types of babbling. Most people are familiar with the characteristic sounds made during babbling, namely reduplicative and variegated babbling. The former consists of repeated syllables, such as /ba/ e.g. "Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba", whereas variegated babbling consists of a mix of syllables, e.g. "ka-da-bu-ba-mi-doy-doy-doy".

The consonants that babbling infants produce tend to be any of the following: /p, b, t, m, d, n, k, ɡ, s, h, w, j/. The following consonants tend to be infrequently produced during phonological development: /f, v, θ, ð, ʃ, tʃ, dʒ, l, r, ŋ/. The complex nature of sounds that developing children produce make them difficult to categorize, but the above rules tend to hold true regardless of t Random Babbling he language to which children are exposed.

It is clear you heard the term Random Babbling but failed to recall the context in which it was used. Jason’s supporters do not post audios of their comments. They posts written words. English is not my first language and consequently I would welcome your explanation as to how babbling is achieved in written words when the term is associated with sounds emanating from speaking or attempts to speak. I sincerely hope you do not fall into the category of individuals that are stuck on stupid.

I selected certain points from Jason’s post, added some comments and asked some questions. I am of the opinion that the spin he has been putting on certain issues needed to be highlighted. For example – “Eskendereya -The Star We have been Searching For” How does he justify such a conclusion when Sidney’ Candy has run the fastest 7F (1:20.91) and 9F (:48.00) of any 3YO.  He like Eskendereya, has won all his 3YO races impressively; has recorded faster times and has never been headed. Eskendereya on the other hand has tracked slow fractions in all his races and has defeated sub standard opposition. Jason is entitled to his opinion but he is not entitled to the facts and the cold facts indicate that if there is a star we have been searching for, he is in CA. How does he consider Todd Pletcher’s stable to be powerful when he stated that apart from Eskendereya the other possible 4 to5 starters will be 15-1 to 30-1. Two of   likely starters have not won a 3YO race and the remaining three have one 3YO win to their credit. The adjective ‘powerful’ does not apply.

If your regard the post of my assessments random babbling, I am certainly not responsible for your state of confusion regarding written and spoken words.

Coldfacts 22 Apr 2010 8:24 AM

Jason,

My recent post included very little pedigree information but as usual when you are called out on certain issues you provide either very little or vague responses. Being dismissive does not eliminate the inconsistencies and hype contained in your blog. I know you do not have the time to answer all the questions I posed but I would appreciate the answer to one. How can a stable with possibly 6 Derby starters, with 4 to5 having projected odds of 15-1 to 30-1 be powerful?

At no point did advise you that Connemara was my derby pick. You got that information from Ain’’t Easy Being Good. I advised you early that I liked Yale Of York to win the derby if he made the transition to dirt. Your response was “Good Luck with your Dubai based horses” I can point you to the date and time of the exchange if you so desire.

If I recall correctly your derby pick was Odysseus. Below are extracts from a previous post in response to your hyping of this colt.

(a) I did not see Odysseus performance in his allowance victory but it must have been mine blowing for you rank this colt #1.  If you were not the knowledgeable individual I regard you to be, I would think you are plum crazy. If his final time of 1:44.37 was not achieved gearing down then his #1 ranking is even more bizarre.

Your reply indicated that he was geared down in the last furlong. Do you know what was the final time for the Tampa Bay derby? 1:44.31. So much for gearing down.

(b) Are you aware that Odysseus is a January foal? With his maturity advantage and only three races on his resume, he definitely has soundness issues. When January foals have soundness issues they should never be #1 on any list.

© NB: Which of A.P Indy’s 54 plus son that have passed through the breeding shed have sired the winner of a Triple Crown race? None! Who was the last derby winner to be broodmare sire of a derby winner? Count Fleet who was dam sire of 1965 Derby winner Lucky Debonair (44 Years) Your #1 ranked horse has too many historic hurdles to cross along with his soundness issues.

Coldfacts 22 Apr 2010 8:28 AM

I'll ask again, how many lengths make up one second of running time? I am just curious as to what other handicappers use as a guidline. I use five lengths per second.

I would also like to see Zenyatta on dirt against males in her next start. She is definitely not hiding from Quality Road, he is on vacation and waiting to run in the Met Mile. He wants no part of a 1 1/4 mile race against the Zenyatta train!

Forbidden Apple 22 Apr 2010 9:02 AM

Zookeeper

  Who me? I didn't tout. I said stout. Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow The Derby may be over. Then what have we got-start looking at two year olds for next year's Derby, that's what. Tiz the season to be jolly, tralalalalalala. Do you feel lucky? Well do ya.

Dr Drunkinbum 22 Apr 2010 10:13 AM

Matthew W.,

Todd Pletcher told DRF that Devil May Care likes the longer distance.

He said, "She's had the benefit of working with some of these other good 3-year-olds in my barn this winter, and I know she can stick with them, and I'm also confident she'll like a mile and one-quarter and even a mile and one-half."

Should make the Derby even more interesting if she runs.

If she's in the Oaks, I think I'd still like Blind Luck.

CV 22 Apr 2010 10:15 AM

Ted From La

  Nevermind. The weather report now says NO RAIN !!!! Woohoo. It's a miracle. Here comes the Triple Crown talk. Yakety yak, don't talk back.

Dr Drunkinbum 22 Apr 2010 10:24 AM

Dr Drunkinbum.  Even with Lucky on the ticket the super will be nice!  

Dray.  Nice "elimination." Still leaves 12 horses which is too many to play with.  Can you let us get through the Derby and then you can start to rag on Zenyatta again? Please.  

Householder 22 Apr 2010 12:13 PM

Coldfacts: When did I ever pick Odysseus as my Derby horse? I had him ranked No. 1 in my top 10. Means nothing. Also, the horse got injured in the Blue Grass in case you didnt know. Go ahead and rip an injured horse if it makes you feel better. I dont pick my Derby winner until the week of, and anyone that does so differenty does not know what they are doing. Including you. Vale of York and Connemara? lol. That's all we need to know from you. Hope this response wasnt too vague for you.

Jason Shandler 22 Apr 2010 12:21 PM

DRAYNAY

That's alot of BS regarding your usual remarks of Zenyatta. Look at your horse,RA(unless you've dropped her) cause of your pals mishandling her last yr,she's raced ONCE THIS YEAR! You had Zenyatta finishing THIRD in the Apple B. remember? My five yr. old wouldn't pick Be Fair to beat Zenyatta like you did.

Mike Relva 22 Apr 2010 12:32 PM

COLDFACTS

Jason's correct,he DIDN'T select Odysseus as his Derby horse.

Mike Relva 22 Apr 2010 12:38 PM

Forbidden Apple

  That's what I always heard-5 lengths per second, 1/5 0f a second+one length.

Jason-That's what I like, succinct and to the point, and you are on the money. Anyone who picks the winner, or any other bet even before the final pps are out is asking for trouble. And I've said that before, lists are meaningless. They are basically horse to watch lists, and fun to do. I have no problem with completely changing my list at anytime. One side note-looking at replays, Noble's Promise has more talent than I previously thought, and now think it is possible for him to hit the board if he runs in the Derby. Still, I won't use him in the top two spots, and probably not the first three spots. But I can see where you were coming from on this horse now.

Dr Drunkinbum 22 Apr 2010 12:53 PM

Lazmannick, I read on another blog that since Asmussen has been letting RAchel run like she used to, her workouts are getting back to normal.  With that being said, We now know she will not face Zenyatta or QR in a race, Moss has already said they or going for races over a mile,  well , Ra cannnot run over a mile (woodward) she will exhaust herself and won't be able to hold off Zen closing kick, she will never be able to out run Zen or QR at a race over a mile if that far.  I never forsee her in a race against Zenyatta........and any way , Zen came for her and she was a no show, just like all the rest of the grade 1 filles,  so now its time for them to put up or shut up and run after the queen Zen.

And I promise you she(RA) won't be running to race Careless Jewel in her next start either.

Agree, Laz?

Also RA fans,  Zen can race back in her home state if they want her too,  she just came east and no one dared to take her on,......she is doing what she is supposed to be doing,  I can't say that for the other filly.

sodapopkid 22 Apr 2010 1:05 PM

Dr Drunkinbum,

Twas 1 2/7 week before the KD and all over the web, nobody was quiet, especially the stout tout who touts stout!

Lookin at Lucky is slowly crawling up my derby list. Love the blinkers off. Maybe he'll see his opponents if his jockey fails to do so.

Beware of unreliable weather predictions this far in advance! We'll be lucky if they get it right the day prior to D-Day.

Zookeeper 22 Apr 2010 1:16 PM

Sodapop, you have no clue what you are talking about! ZERO. Hypothetically, Rachel may face Careless Jewel and Zardana in the La Troienne then turn around and face Zenyatta in the Foster 6 weeks later. Stop being a hater. You have zero knowledge of her training or what her camp wants to do with her.

Billy's Empire 22 Apr 2010 2:21 PM

BillysEmpire:

We don't want Hypotheticals, or Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda,  we want point blank accuracy.. Can you give us that?

sodapopkid 22 Apr 2010 2:36 PM

No, can you give me that with any horse? Zenyatta may run in California, or she may go to the Foster. Correct? Is that point blank accurate? NO. Rachel was at best 70% for that last race, and she should not of run. Period. On April 30th, when she lines up in the gate, she will beat Zardana and Careless Jewel, and anyone else that wants to race that day. She is full of herself, just like last year when she ran off from the lead pony and dumped Calvin in the post parade at the SPA. The better they get, the more high strung they get.Example, Quality Road in the BC. Rachel has been full of herself in the morning... this is a TC blog.

How about Calvin on Super Saver. He has a live shot to win on May 1st, AGAIN

Billy's Empire 22 Apr 2010 3:31 PM

Carlos, DOL's are working with trainers to clarify and educate them and THE WORKERS on how to pay hotwalkers, grooms.

"New York State's minimum wage is $7.25 per hour, and employers are required to pay overtime for weekly hours past forty at 1½ times the employee's regular pay rate."

If you care to READ their take on it, since FA was talking about Saratoga. I gave the link once.

www.labor.state.ny.us/.../July28_2009.htm

Now if you REALLY know your stuff, you know what the alternative is for these workers.  Trainers have gone to bat for many of these folks, trying to help them stay in this country and so forth.

Tim G 22 Apr 2010 3:33 PM

Coldfacts

LMAO come talk to me when sidney's candy hits the board. oh and eskendereya will hit traffic and run off the board as well that's why he won't win.

thomas 22 Apr 2010 7:13 PM

sodapopkid

Nothing against Rachel, but I agree with you that she could never beat QR or Zen.  However, I will go one step further and say from a mile up.  I think that a mile is QR's best distance and I believe that Zen's finishing kick is one of the best ever and that if she ran at a mile either on dirt or even on turf she wouldn't have a problem collaring the front runners.  She's just like a race car crusing along in behind waiting for the jock to flip the switch.

I too have had a feeling that Rachel will scratch from the Lady's race on Derby weekend.  If she doesn't, good luck to her, but the waters will be deep because CJ will command the pace early and Zardana is well suited to track off a fast pace and then she has a great finish.  Too many obstacles for Rachel.  She won't really get a chance to have a breather, but if she wins, she'll get my respect.

I think that Matthew W's 21 Apr 2010 9:47 PM post says loads about the difficulty of a fop flight filly or mare winning a 1-1/4M race on dirt against OLDER G-1 males.  It's one of the most difficult things in sport and as I've stated many times before, until Zen's BCC win you have to go back to Princessnesian in 1968 to see a filly/mare defeat older males in a G-1 race (or equivalent)at 1-1/4M on dirt.  In that same race, Princessnesian's stablemate Gamely, one of the top fillies around at that time finished seventh with Racing Room 2nd and Quicken Tree 3rd. LOL

LAZMANNICK 22 Apr 2010 7:27 PM

Billy's Empire

Not to argue, but quit making excuses for Rachel.  She had ample time to be ready for the AB and the prep race before it.  The reason she wasn't was because she left it all on the track to beat a G-2 male six months before.  That's not Zen's fault.  It seems to me she raced in a far tougher race in the BCC two months after Rachel's Woodward.  One poster even said on one of these blogs (Mary in VT) that Rachel should have gotten a break.  Zen should have been racing in the Dubhai World Cup and allow Rachel to have a race or two to be properly prepared for when they finally do meet.

This field that you think she's going to trounce next week is arguably tougher than 95% of the fields she faced last year.  Like I said before, if she wins this race, she'll get my respect, but it isn't going to be a walk in the park. LOL

LAZMANNICK 22 Apr 2010 7:37 PM

Mike Relva

Hey bud, glad you're back.  I think my e-mail is finally working.  I'll reply to yours shortly.  LOL

LAZMANNICK 22 Apr 2010 7:39 PM

LAZMANNICK

Thanks,I'll be waiting.

Mike Relva 22 Apr 2010 9:32 PM

Jason,

Do you have a planned interview for Jeremy Noseda? It would be nice to know about the health of Awesome Act and how he came out of his last race.

Tim G,

The DOL go involved on the backstrecth in 2008 for the first time in how many years? I agree that Pletcher paid more $ in fines than any other trainer. The simple fact remains that most trainers require working 7 days a week, no day off. It is also a fact that in 2009 Zito was paying $5 per hour to walk horses in the morning. In this business there is no excuse for paying minimum wage or less! Since I was about 10 years old I have been wondering why 80% of backstretch workers are latino. I continue to make these comments because these people deserve equal rights in our society. They are mostly hard workers that deserve respect and proper wages. We also need to stop calling them aliens.

Forbidden Apple 23 Apr 2010 10:57 AM

FA, it's been discussed why.

The US is no longer an agrarian culture. There ARE people who work at the track who ARE non-Latino or are Hispanic Americans. Most of the US citizens go on to other things in racing, climb up the ladder and become trainers or assistant trainers. That's hard to do when you aren't a citizen.

The trainers that I've had are very good to their employees are equally as demanding regardless of where their employees are from and are very fair.

Now there are people who want to work on the backside and start at the bottom, but they all want to work their way up, and can do so.

Problem is most of them haven't got a clue or tend to be know it alls or actually as demonstrated even on here? Think they can start at the top and tell others what to do.

Is it a perfect system and ideal working conditions? No. Are they working on it? Yes. Not sure if you saw it but the issue with work visas was written up a few years ago. It's definitely too complex of an issue to discuss on blog comments and even though you THINK you know the whole story, that's pretty difficult. That's like any of us in business saying we know how other unrelated businesses work. Using it to attack the training skills is kind of off track and seemed to just be not relevant.

Tim G 23 Apr 2010 11:59 AM

Go, Pletch! The filly Devil May Care looks pretty awesome too, especially with Johnny V on board again.

Destroyer 25 Apr 2010 5:15 PM


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