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Derby Elimination

Picking a Kentucky Derby horse can sometimes be as much about tossing others as it is selecting the winner. In large part, handicapping is a process of elimination, especially in a field of 20 horses.

Along those lines, I would like to know which 10 horses you will safely rule out for the win. That is not to say any of those 10 won't hit the board, but with only nine days before the race, we should probably all be able to throw out half the field for the top spot.

That being said, I'm sure at least 90% of us tossed Mine That Bird in 2009 and he is the perfect reminder that anything can happen on Derby Day.

I will be at Churchill to watch the horses in person beginning on Tuesday and will have more definitive thoughts in blog posts next week. For now, here are the 10 I will be eliminating, unless something unforeseen catches my eye.

American Lion--He is a front-running horse who has less speed than most of the other pacesetters. When he won a subpar Illinois Derby he was alone of the lead while running a half in :49 1/5, a mile in 1:38 1/5,and  finishing up in 1:51 1/5. If he runs those same splits in the Derby he will be behind about 15 horses. Would need to drastically improve.

Conveyance--Along with Line Of David, he should be on the front end and I wouldn't be surprised if he led after a mile. But the son of Indian Charlie has shown no signs of wanting to run 10 furlongs. Baffert is a master at getting horses to improve rapidly, but wiring this field seems unreasonable.

Dean's Kitten--Having only one start on dirt (fifth by 34 lengths) is the least of my concerns with this horse. I just think he is way too slow. Ramsey and Maker are a leading owner/trainer combo at Churchill, which is probably the most this colt has going for him.

Dublin--This is probably a surprise to many. Is the horse talented? Sure. Has he been competitive against some of the top horses, including Lookin At Lucky, Noble's Promise, and Super Saver? Yep. And there is no doubt Lukas knows a thing or two about getting horses to peak on Derby Day. But the fact is the horse in winless in his last five and has not scored since last September. It's hard to get around that. Plus, he has had every opportunity to pass horses in the stretch in all three starts this year. He is more of a grinder than anything.

Discreetly Mine--Not even sure Pletcher is going to run him, but if he does I likely won't be using him. Wasn't impressed with wire-to-wire job in Risen Star. Louisiana Derby effort was solid enough, but didn't show me anything to get excited about.

Homeboykris--The gelding was pretty good as a juvenile, but was no factor in only race over a mile and has shown little this year. Hasn't reached a 90 Beyer yet. I'm not one of those that will criticize Dutrow for wanting to run him. If he has the earnings, by all means give him a go. I just won't be playing him.

Ice Box--He's a closer who might benefit from a wicked pace, so if you like that angle I will not try to talk you out of playing him. There are things to like, including two wins at nine furlongs and Zito factor. I just don't see him picking off a dozen horses this time.

Line Of David--Give the colt credit for staving off Super Saver and Dublin in his gutsy Arkansas Derby win, which was also his first start on dirt. But he will almost certainly be on or near the lead again and I don't see him repeating the performance, especially for another quarter-mile against stiffer company.

Paddy O'Prado--Improving horse who has looked impressive in his last two. I think he has a bright future, but more so on Poly and turf.

Stately Victor--Am I still bitter about him ruining my Pick 4 in the Blue Grass? Absolutely. But if there was any way I thought this colt could repeat the performance in the Derby I would get over it. Has shown very little dirt form.

377 Comments:

Eskendereya is a toss for me.  The forecast is looking up for Oaks and Derby Days.

Ted from LA 22 Apr 2010 12:17 PM

    Too Funny Ted, Surely you are joking on Eskendereya being a toss...

    Whoever Dray picks is a TOSS, No matter who it is, That and Stately Victor, Paddy O'Prado, Dean's Kitten, Homeboykris, Line of David, and Discreetly Mine for now...

    I usually don't do this, But, I am begging Mr. Pletcher not to enter Devil May Care(Strictly for selfish reasons, lol), I need Jackson Bend and Backtalk to get in because I honestly think those two will shock alot of people and hit the board!  Add Mission Impazible, Lookin at Lucky and Eskendereya as the top five!  Obviously, Still waiting for the next week to play out, But, That is the way I am leaning...

Jason,

    On a side note, Any clue on St. Trinians next race? Thanks...

Greg J. 22 Apr 2010 12:49 PM

Great toss list except for american lion and I would put mission impossible on that list to. Who cares what joe says mission impazible is too slow.

Lets talk about American lion. Last prep on dirt? Check! Last race a win? Check! Does he have the breeding to get 10F? Check! Does he have a negative thorograph? Check! What happened when the blinkers came off oh yeah he dusted the field. American lion will be in stalking postion and has the speed an stamina to at least get 2nd and possibly win.

JASON GET MY CHECK READY!

It Aint Easy being good 22 Apr 2010 1:05 PM

I give every KD starter points based on numerous factors (I play the highest scorers).  So far my lowest point scorers are Homeboykris, Line of David & Awesome Act but I haven't run everybody through yet.  

Stately Victor & Dublin from your list have scored high with my factors.  And I like their running styles in a hot pace so I'm keeping them, especially if 85ina50 makes the field.  I'm going to say it again - Stately Victor looked good in his first dirt start.  It was a turf moved to dirt race.  Winslow Homer beat him but Victor broke slow and got hung wide.  He was much the best of the rest.    

Steve 22 Apr 2010 1:11 PM

Eliminating for the win is a lot easier than the other spots. With the right to change my mind, it's early but I would eliminate for the WIN ONLY.

Jackson Bend

Awesome Act

Conveyance

Discreetly Mine

Dublin

Interactif

Line Of David

Noble's Promise

Paddy O' Prado

Rule

Dr Drunkinbum 22 Apr 2010 1:20 PM

Hey, anyone willing to give me advice on my first derby?  We can email or even a phone call.  Esky has been my pick and I probably won't change my mind, post will be a factor, like many others 8 days a lot can change my mind, I am throwing out endorsement, everyone is going to be jumping on the Sunland Park horse, not me, that was a fluke.  Has he won since?  Does anyone believe he will below 2-1 odds for the derby, I think the favorite (esky) is 5-2?

Antman 22 Apr 2010 1:24 PM

Mine That Bird was the first horse I tossed last year.  Here are 9 tosses for me.

Homeboykris

Stately Victor

Dean's Kitten

Paddy O'Prado

Discreetly Mine

Interactif

Conveyance

Line of David

American Lion

2:24 22 Apr 2010 1:28 PM

Looks like a pretty good list of horses that have no chance of winning.  Dublin looks a lot like Mr. Hotstuff...his next start was always going to be the "big run."  He's pretty easy to dismiss for the win but that 4 horse super is going to pay big and some "consistency" may be the play for the box.  You could probably cut the win in 1/2 again pretty easily by just looking at Grade 1 wins and earnings.  A lot are going to get sucked into that 46 and change inferno and long stretch at Churchill.  I say the most likely speed to hit the ticket is Sidney's Candy but even he may be no higher than 4th.  I think the winner will get an additional 7-8 horse length win at the wire just for passing "tired speed."  Perhaps a horse that just runs consistent "even splits" the last couple outings and can handle the additional 1/8th.

Householder 22 Apr 2010 1:58 PM

Hi Jason

Very good post --- and an interesting subject.

I agree with you for the most part, but I won't throw out Dublin. He is always right there, and I'm not worried about the fact that he hasn't won since September. What do you think he will be sent off at in the Derby?

Despite the fact that he is winning your poll by a lot, Homeboykris is my big longshot to win. For some reason, I just can't forget about this horse. If he doesn't hit the board in the Derby, then the I'll consider him for the Belmont.

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 22 Apr 2010 2:02 PM

I actually did this during a slow business meeting today.  I'm tossing Discreetly Mine, Ice Box, Conveyance, Pleasant Prince (won't get in), Dean's Kitten, Line of David, American Lion, Backtalk and Homeboykris.

Mike D 22 Apr 2010 2:06 PM

Sidney's Candy's stumbling and "hopping" at the break really has me concerned as well.  You do this Derby day, get shuffled 10 back, and unless your an Alysheba it's all over.  

Householder 22 Apr 2010 2:07 PM

I hope this is just a toss list for the top line of your wagers. I don't see Dublin winning but certainly will play him 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in exotics. Same with Ice Box on my tickets. Homeboy, Dean's Kitten, American Lion, and Discreetly Mine are my initial toss outs.

Dave 22 Apr 2010 2:09 PM

Lookin at unlucky is my toss.  Especially if it rains. He does not like anything but a perfect trip on a dry track.

AMY ROONEY 22 Apr 2010 2:12 PM

The system I've used for 12 years eliminated all 20 of the presently named starters for the win.  I'm not kidding and that has never happened with my system before.  

So what are the chances of a 20 horse dead heat?  Can they all even fit across the track together?

Venceremos 22 Apr 2010 2:15 PM

It ain't easy being good,

I couldn't agree more with you about American Lion. There is a very good chance he inherits the lead into the stretch and then he will have to call upon his papa to hold them off.

Mine based on low performance and/or distance limitations...

Homeboykris, Dublin, Conveyance, Interactif, Line of David, Discreetly Mine, and Super Saver.

Alexaso 22 Apr 2010 2:18 PM

Householder:  Agree and am worried about Sidney's Candy's break.  However, if he is truly great, he can recover.  Just go back and watch Seattle Slew's Derby.

2:24 22 Apr 2010 2:26 PM

Alight, now this I can do hopefully!

I'm tossing;

1)  Homeboykris (wish he would just be withdrawn to make room for more deserving colts like Jackson Bend and Backtalk)

2)  Conveyance

3)  American Lion

4)  Paddy O'Prado

5)  Dean's Kitten

6)  Discreetly Mine

7)  Endorsement

8)  Interactif

9)  Stately Victor

10) Line of David

Hey Jason, are you going to do one of these where we can choose our Derby picks too I hope? :)

Brian Appleton 22 Apr 2010 2:34 PM

Brian: Dont have time to do a contest this year, but I can do a poll next week to see who you guys like.

Jason Shandler 22 Apr 2010 2:36 PM

I’m with Greg J, I’d like to see Jackson Bend and Backtalk in the race.  I’d like to see Odysseus and Drosselmeyer too, because I think they’re better than some already in.

I’m pretty new to this but I really HATE the graded stakes qualifier.

I don’t how Homeboykris qualifies (well I “know” but don’t like).  I don’t have a problem with a filly being in the big show, but not if all her graded stakes came from running against only the girls.  

I’m throwing out Homeboykris.

Bucky Newguy 22 Apr 2010 2:52 PM

2:24 Add Ferdinand to that list as well.  Shuffled far back and dead last going into the first turn.

Householder 22 Apr 2010 3:00 PM

If you want to look at stumbling out of the gate look no further than dunkirk last year. If you stumble in the derby your done. This isnt the 70's or 80's were are talking about legit horses and 20 of them. If sidneys candy stumbles he is DUNSKI! lol!

No post from joe yet about his push botton horse I am starting to worry about him!

It Aint Easy being good 22 Apr 2010 3:14 PM

I always bet on the horse with the longest odds in any race I bet on for the hell of it (and no I didn't bet on Mine that Bird--I didn't bet on anyone last year--which is a shame for sure, since I didn't care about any of the horses last year and would probably have just bet $20 to win on the longest shot in the race had I bothered...c'est la vie).

I have a similar feeling to Kellerman about Homeboykris and I have no idea why. In fact scanning the list in the poll above to choose which one has absolutely no shot to win, this little voice said "not him." I won't be surprised if he looses, but I won't be surprised if he pulls a freak upset either. (Ha ha, may Roman Ruler can be this year's Birdstone!)

I chose Dean's Kitten, mostly on account of the fact I hate his name (one reason I have trouble getting fired up about Sidney's Candy is because I hate "so and so's something" names--couldn't they have been a little bit creative and named Sid, CandyforSidney or SidandCandy)?

But TBH the only horse I would be really surprised at wining is Eskendereya. Seriously.

papillon 22 Apr 2010 3:19 PM

tossing Sidney's Candy, Eskendereya, Lookin at Lucky and boxing the rest in the superfecta... I need the money!!!

zarvona 22 Apr 2010 3:20 PM

A 17-horse super box would cost you $5,700 even if you're playing for $.10.  Good luck with that.  

Homeboykris.  

slotty 22 Apr 2010 3:36 PM

I'm booting:

Homeboykris) his trainer said he doesn't expect a win...enough said.

Dean's Kitten) the owner would enter his kitty if he could.

Paddy O' Prado) turf/synthetic horse.

Line of David) the speed-of-the-speed.

Super Saver) couldn't get by LoD,toss.

Rule) will get cooked,toss.

Conveyance) too much heat,too far.

Dublin) bypass this win-shy hanger.

Discreetly Mine) nah.

Mission Impazible) too slow.

Stately Victor) synth/turf only.

American Lion) in too deep.

Interactif) strictly a turf horse all along.

Noble's Promise) can't beat LaL.  

Eskendereya) I'll let him beat me but he has a couple of questions to answer,specifically: his reaction to solid splits & being caught mid-pack.

Ok,so that's 15 horses I've eliminated from winning,which leaves me with these 5:

Lookin at Lucky) the class of the field.

Sydney's Candy) scary good,might be even better stalking.

Ice Box) with all the speed,he'll be flying down the stretch,especially if he switches to his proper lead this time.

Awesome Act) sitting on a biggie,should get favorable trip.

Endorsement) lightly raced but highly talented,can sit and pounce.  

Carlos in Cali 22 Apr 2010 3:36 PM

Homeboykris is least likely to win.

The best post so far has been by

"Householder".

Buckpasser Steve 22 Apr 2010 3:40 PM

I'm not worried about the horses, it's the jockey's -  No Calvin Borel, and no real strangers.  Borel's arrogance will not let his horse win and will damage anyone who's close to him.

Jocky Hunch 22 Apr 2010 3:54 PM

          I just dont see " Ice Box " being a toss out ?? Dublin yes , He could run 2 1/2 miles and still come in third !! Several years ago Giacomo would have been a toss out,thank God I had a 2$ win ticket on him as my longshot bet ! You just never know :)

Pedigree Shelly 22 Apr 2010 3:55 PM

I have the same tosses as you do except for one.  I'd toss Mission Impazible before Dublin. And if Devil May Care is foolishly entered in this race, toss her too.  I think she has a great shot in the Oaks, but not in this deep Derby field.

On the flip side, the "other 10" horses all have legitimate chances to win this years Derby.  It will come down to post positions before I pick my Top 5.

Runfast159 22 Apr 2010 3:55 PM

My rule-outs for the win are:

Conveyance, (synthetics are best for him),

Dean's Kitten, (has won 3 out of 11 races and needs a rest),

Interactif, (more of a turf horse  it seems),

Discreetly Mine, (just doesn't seem fast enough and consistent),

Dublin, (tough, very tough, but his history speaks for itself),

Paddy O'Prado, (more of a turf type),

Homeboykris, (his last 4 races went down in class),

Nobles' Promise, (being hurt and ill hasn't helped him and may have a distance limitation),

Line of David, (because I think he may tire, even though I like him),

Backtalk, (even though he's had 4 wins, just not sure about him).

Freetex 22 Apr 2010 4:33 PM

I basically won't pick horses that need to be up front or lead and horses that seem to be poly/turf wonders. Of course anything can happen, but I also would rather stay away from horses that keep running well and coming up short. When was the last time that Noble's Promise or Dublin won a race? You can only make excuses so many times.

Noble's Promise

Rule  

Line of David

Stately Victor

Conveyance  

Dublin  

Super Saver

Devil May Care (if she runs)

Discreetly Mine  

Dean's Kitten

Interactif

Paddy O'Prado

Homeboykris

funnycideoflife 22 Apr 2010 4:34 PM

I'm not touching this one folks...last year in the post parade I couldn't imagine what in heaven's name was Mine That Bird doing there...

Gavin J. 22 Apr 2010 4:37 PM

Did anyone hear about a Derby horse looking lame coming off the track this morning?  That's the word I heard from a bird.

Ted from LA 22 Apr 2010 4:38 PM

What should be thrown out is the 20 horse field and the Derby reduced to a 14 horse affair max like the Kentucky Oaks. 12 would be plenty. 10 would make for truly enjoyable viewing. That would make your job of tossing a lot simpler, Jason. Maybe even eliminate the need for this column. Instead of a cavalry charge where its almost impossible to follow horses buried in the pack off the lead and giving racing luck too great a role in determining the winner, we could actually follow the course of the race with some understanding of what's going on from the speed to the stalkers in mid-pack to the closers bringing up the rear. I'm tired of seeing a wall of horses with many getting bumped, squeezed, pinched, blocked, cut off, or fanned 4-5  wide throughout the race  Don't like to watch jocks having to steady and stand up on a horse anywhere from the first to the final turn. Having been born and bred in Louisville with my father an owner of a few thoroughbred race horses, I can still remember plenty of these contests where there were no more than 14 horses. I'd like them to be again like the 1967 Derby of Damascus where only fog on the backstretch obscured the field or the 1978 Derby of Affirmed and Alydar with only 11 horses on the track or the 10 horse field of Spectacular Bid in 1979 which made for truly enjoyable and easing viewing of the whole field during the course of the race - the contest a legitimate horse race rather than the chaos and confusion of today's wall of horses where only after the race can a viewer discover what happened to most of the horses buried in the wall of competitors. Bring back those days ! That's my pipe dream.

Will W 22 Apr 2010 4:39 PM

Toss:   Lookin @ Lucky ( Bad Luck Again ) !!

Conveyance: Baffert Ego here.

Rule :   Entry " Filler " 4 Pletch

Noble's Promise: Too much speed

Dean's Kitten ?  Trainer Fever

                not reality

Dathan2win 22 Apr 2010 5:15 PM

I also long for a 14 horse field, along with a change in the graded earnings system. Then we would not be having these "toss" horses, of whom we all mostly agree on, the ones who DO NOT belong in the big race. Can not see a "Mine That Bird" or "Giacomo" happening this year, although,  anything is possible.

Double H 22 Apr 2010 5:39 PM

You can't be a serious horse player and even think of dropping Noble's Promise or Dublin from your ticket.

Dublin doesn't have to win preps because they are just PREPS.  Noble is simply the most talented horse in the field and will prove it on Derby day if he is healthy to run.  If it rains he wins by 5.

draynay 22 Apr 2010 5:46 PM

Hello all. Just wondering if anyone can help me with this question, as I'm from the U.k and don't really how this works in U.S racing. U.K bookies are giving huge odds on Winslow Homer to win the derby. I know he's been injured, and you DON'T get your money back if he doesn't make it to the gate. However, he has easily enough earnings to get in if he's fit, and I still think he's worth chancing a few quid on. The thing is, the last time I looked at the entry list for the K.D he wasn't amoungst them. Supposing he made a miraculous recovery, could the trainer U-Turn and re-enter him, or is he definitely out of it now? Cheers for reading.

Danny 22 Apr 2010 5:57 PM

Being from the U.K, I would put a line through Awesome Act straight away. He ran here as a two year old, and he was pretty ordinary to be honest. When I say ordinary, I mean he was stuffed out of sight in EVERY group 1 he entered. He ran against our top 2 year olds in the "G1 Racing Post Trophy" won by St Nicholas Abbey. It was a long, long way back to Awesome Act. Trust me, he's nowhere near god enough for the Kentucky Derby.

Danny 22 Apr 2010 6:15 PM

Here are mine in order of shock value:

1) Sidney.  Wrong surface & running style.

2) Dublin.  The classic hanger

3) Super Saver.  See Dublin

4) Noble's Promise.  Speed pedigree

5) Line of David.  Ain't gonna win this one on the front end.

6) Discreetly Mine.  Too slow

7) Interactif.  Lots of reasons

8) Dean's Kitten. Turf horse

9) Homeboy....no chance

10) Conveyance.  Couldn't hang on against Endorsement.  

Aikenite 22 Apr 2010 6:15 PM

Amen Will W,

Not only do I miss the smaller fields but I truly miss the standout two year old coming into the Derby with the proper foundation. IMO, the Derby has become another anyone can win it race.  

Somethingroyal 22 Apr 2010 6:20 PM

As far as a win goes, yep these guys are out. I will have Ice Box and Dublin on the bottom of a tri and super but that's it. I'll even toss in Noble, Awesome Act and Rule to your list. It's getting smaller in the win circle. Start the music, remove a chair,  someone else must go.

El Kabong 22 Apr 2010 6:29 PM

Elimination report looks dead on. I would keep Looking at Lucky< Devil May Care>Mission Impazible<Super Savor<Sidneys Candy on top 5 on morning workouts. Rain in the forecast might be a big factor. We will watch how these colts handle the wet track all week

Workout Inspector 22 Apr 2010 6:36 PM

what will w said onapril22,2010 @ 430 pm is the wisest words of wisdom, that i have heard in a while!

morrisstiles 22 Apr 2010 6:37 PM

Will W. GETS IT!

While discussing who will win/lose the Derby is a lot of fun, it's probably the worst betting race on the Derby Day card. With a field of 20, ANYTHING can happen and trying to handicap it is a waste of time.

The best horse doesn't win, it's the horse with the best trip.

They should limit the field to no more than 14 horses at the most and determine those eligable based on their 3 YO campaign. And NO, you shouldn't be allowed in for winning one Graded Stakes race.

JMHO

Big Louie 22 Apr 2010 6:39 PM

I'm telling you folks,don't sleep on the massive filly Devil May Care.She's legit if she goes and should be in the cat-bird seat throughout.Her running style & endurance will put her in the mix.

Miner's Reserve will have succulent odds in the Derby Trial,I say he rebounds off his Fla.Derby debacle big time in here.

Carlos in Cali 22 Apr 2010 6:40 PM

JOCKY HUNCH

You state "Borel's arrogance won't let his horse win". Have you been in a coma? He's won the Derby two out of three yrs. Thanks for the laugh!!!

Mike Relva 22 Apr 2010 7:15 PM

Danny, Winslow Homer is certainly out of the Derby as far as I know, since even if he were to recover in time to be entered, he doesn't have enough graded stakes earning to get in the race. So, I wouldn't bet on him. Does that help?

Citation 22 Apr 2010 7:21 PM

Yes, The Derby is a large field but this is how I solve the problem. I pay close attention to all of the horse's throughout the year that Draynay says will win The Derby and eliminate all of them from contention. So what I end up with is really only about 5 or 6 horses to handicap. It works everytime. In fact I usually don't even have to handicap. I just box the horses he doesn't pick and I win every year.

Danny-Save your money, he's not in the race.

Dr Drunkinbum 22 Apr 2010 7:42 PM

And if the field was limited in size the Kentucky Derby would again become the greatest viewing spectacle in all of sport instead of  a mass of chaos and confusion where few can rarely determine what's going except with the speed on the front end.

Will W 22 Apr 2010 7:49 PM

I see Dublin "grinding" his way onto the ticket.  

I was not able to get a .10 superfecta last year at the CA off track.  Did other states (Like Nevada) offer this?  I would love to hit:

1). All

2). Horse 2 (single)

3). Horse 3 (single)

4). Horse 4 (single)

and hope for a 50-1 longshot!  I think this would be about $26.00.  But with this group we could be talking $30,000 super.  

Householder 22 Apr 2010 7:54 PM

There are/were quite a few opportunities for trainers to enter their horses in hopes of making the 20 limit.  Sorry, but for those who don`t make it, but that`s just too damn bad.  Keeping everything the same will perhaps make connections rethink their strategies in upcoming years.

RiverCitySmitty 22 Apr 2010 8:01 PM

The derby is the superbowl of horse racing and I wish they expanded the field to 25 so horses like setusko can get in. Who cares about handicapping just pick a horses bet it across the board and pray it comes in because if it does you will some bank.....bling bling. This is the best horse race to be all year if you think! When have you ever seen looking at lucky 5-1 odds or higher??

It Aint Easy being good 22 Apr 2010 8:07 PM

listen up youse nitwits; here is

what ya need to know.

    egyptian

    candy man

    irish eyes are smilin'

    distorted humor puppy: endor.

 save yourself all the stress

and headaches,chumps!!

dubai dave 22 Apr 2010 8:16 PM

Will W.,

     Bravo!  Well said, I agree, But, While a great dream to have, Sadly, That will never happen...

Danny,

     There is zero chance Winslow Homer will go in the Derby.  He just started his training after sustaining a stress fracture to the cannon bone in his right foreleg back in January. He just started jogging but could begin galloping next week, If all goes perfect in his recovery, He will be back this Summer, Maybe July...

Jockey Hunch,

     Your comment about Mr. Borel was comical, Thanks for the laugh...

Greg J. 22 Apr 2010 8:20 PM

I'm really tired of having to wait until Sunday to read the charts to discover what really went on with most of the horses in an overpacked field in a race that, as Somethingroyal says, "anyone can win" or, as Big Louie rightly remarks, is a race that "not the best horse but the horse with the best trip wins." I also don't want to hear any more calls by Tom Durkin, a most accomplished race caller, where a wall of horses almost causes him to miss a Calvin Borel navigating through on the rail with A Mine That Bird until late in deep stretch. May the racing officialdom in charge at Churchill Downs come to their senses and see what they've done to "the greatest spectacle in sport" and limit the field. Bad racing luck in a bloated field of questionably qualified horses should not be allowed to defeat the likes of quality horses like Eskendereya and Lookin' at Lucky and keep them from the racing honors they deserve. It can be kept to a minimum as a factor in determining the outcome of the race only when common sense prevails and the field is limited to a sane number.

Will W 22 Apr 2010 8:24 PM

So, dubai dave, I assume those horses you picked are Eskendereya, Sidney's Candy, Lookin at Lucky, and Endorsement?

Citation 22 Apr 2010 9:27 PM

I agree about Jackson Bend and Devil May Care. That would be interesting if they run. I also agree with everyone of your picks Jason as tosses.

Paula Higgins 22 Apr 2010 9:27 PM

Why waste your time trying to handicap the crap shoot known as the Kentucky Derby?  Trust me on this...you'll eventually realize that picking the winner of that race with any consistency is futile.

I play every horse with odds of 20/1 and higher for the win.  My husband criticizes me for "cheating" but just since 1999 I hit big on MTB, Giacomo, War Emblem and Charismatic while he tore up his tickets with a sad look on his face.

I don't hit the favorites that win and don't get to brag that I handicapped the winner but who cares....the long shots pay lots better and you can't spend bragging rights.

You folks that gripe about the 20 horse field are nuts.  20 horse fields = huge payouts.

Anyhoo, I smell another long shot this year.  The smell is so strong I'm playing every horse 15/1 and higher to avoid a near miss.  Take a whiff and you'll smell it too....it smells like money.

Barb Dwyer 22 Apr 2010 10:01 PM

I prefer to pick who will win, which essentially by picking a winner will give us who we don't think will win. If you're trying to narrow the choices from 20 to 10 of those that you think could possibly win , fine, but I think that still leaves us with way to many choices, heck if you are left with ten you think could possibly win you haven't really accomplished much. It's nice to compare opinions as to who others think can be eliminated, and I guess based on whose opinions you respect and whose you don't, then you can possibly gain insight with this exercise. I will instead of giving 10 to eliminate I will simply say who I believe will win this year, therefore by eliminating all the rest. I look for Ice Box to win with a tremendously determined close in the stretch from far back.

predict 22 Apr 2010 10:16 PM

Does anyone know pedigree on 85ina50? How far can he maintain that speed? If he makes the race I'm thinking all the early speeds and maybe even pressers are toast.

Auburnbill 22 Apr 2010 10:31 PM

I absolutely love the Derby, and I hope to see Eskendereya win. But like many people have said, it's too hard to pick who will win with the 20 horse field. It's also dangerous for the horses. I think it should be reduced to 14 horses, like the Breeders' Cup and Kentucky Oaks. That provides what should be a safer race, and also one that's slightly easier to predict. Because of the 20 horse fields, many good horses finish poorly and come out of the Derby with injuries. And a lot of the time, you don't see who's possibly the best in the crop until the Preakness, and sometimes the Belmont. Just my opinion.

Zenyatta50 22 Apr 2010 10:58 PM

I'm sure you'll think I'm a bit crazy, but...

I think if you include numbers 21 and 22 figuring to get at least enough defections for Jackson Bend and Backtalk to get in, then you can throw out all but 5 horses.

The keepers -

Lookin At Lucky

Sidney's Candy

Awesome Act

Backtalk

Stately Victor

Yes, Esky is a toss in my book. I think if you line him up against any horse here in a 1 on 1 match race, he'd beat them all. But he needs a clear run. He needs to build momentum and he won't have that in this derby with the race falling apart in front of him. He will have to wait or check or both and he doesn't have that "burst" ability.

I think Sidney's Candy is the horse to beat, but he's also the one with the most to prove, so be careful before going all in on him.

On the flipside, Lucky is the most proven. He just happens to have the worst luck of the bunch and the Derby will certainly have it's share of that to pass around.

Awesome Act and Backtalk both have an explosive turn of foot, and if they can time it right... look out.

Stately Victor - really hasn't proven much at this point except that he can close and he's improving. In his last two races he finished impressively coming late in the turf allowance and winning easily in the Blue Grass.

Some say he's a toss because he ran poorly on dirt the last 2 times. The truth of it is, he's run poorly on every surface, including Keeneland's polytrack, but he has also run well on every surface, especially lately.

LH1216 22 Apr 2010 11:01 PM

Amen Big Louie!  A 14 horse field would be fantastic!  20 horses is just too many.  I can't believe there haven't been more serious accidents with all the jostling on the first turn.  But I would add a "win and you're in" feature to picking the field.  Like the Juvenile and the grade I's from the three year old year.  

amo5609 22 Apr 2010 11:09 PM

Tosses

Dublin just doesn't want to win

Mission Impazible, Conveyance, Nobles Promise-can't go the distance

Interactif, Paddy OPrado, Deans Kitten, Stately Victor should stick to turf/poly

Line of David and Sidneys Candy havn't proven they can rate

Homeboykris, Rule, American Lion I just don't think are good enough  

There are several that shouldn't be in here and some I wish would get in but thats every year. Devil may care might not win but I think she has a better shot than any I listed above and deserves a shot, too bad Blind Luck isn't going to the Derby.

Danielle 22 Apr 2010 11:26 PM

Dray,

I think you're still stuck in 2009 with your picks. Just a heads up, its 2010.

The Rock 22 Apr 2010 11:30 PM

Brian Appleton (22 Apr at 2:34 pm) asked if Jason would be running a contest and Jason said he did not have the time.

Tell you what.  I will run an online contest and call it Jason's Triple Crown Contest for the Derby, Preakness and Belmont.

There are no prizes ... just bragging rights.

You get a $2 WPS bet, a $1 Exacta box on 3 horses and a $1 Trifecta box on 3 horses for the three Triple Crown races.

Go to www.mysportspool.net/contest and click on Join.

Let me know if you if you have any questions.

Ross 22 Apr 2010 11:43 PM

I know this is crazy, but I would love to see Eightyfivenafifty (spelling?) do it.  If he could just quit screwing around, I think he has something.  I really like him.  Guess this Saturday will give us a clue.

wendyg 23 Apr 2010 1:47 AM

Why do some of you hate a 20 horse field. As I recall, it is still a crapshoot because these horses are going a 1 1/4. Just take a look at the 1 1/8 races.

Florida Derby: everyone picked ice box to win right.

Louisana Derby: Drosselmeyer won oh no discreetly mine won no it was Mission Impazible.

Sunland: That stone cold trifecta of conveyance , tempted to tapit, and nacho friend came through. sorry no endorsement from me.

Wood: Eskendereya won hey one true to form.

Santa Anita; Sidney's candy won. hey thats okay I like him anyway that day.

Blue grass: all the top horses sucked and stately victor won at 40-1

Arkansas: The line of david was drawn and proved that ca synthetics horse liked oaklawn.

Would a 14 horse field make it better. I think not. I love 20 horses and figuring out the puzzle.

To the original question Jason asked. I have 5 true throw outs

Homeboykris: Please

Dean's Kitten: Synthetics and turf

Line of David: will burn out on front end

Discreetly Mine: has not won unless he has the lead and he will not get it

Noble's Promise: He would not be here if his trainer was so on the fence with him. I think there is something really wrong with him that will hinder him from running his best.

RJPPDP 23 Apr 2010 2:00 AM

after last year, i wouldn't toss anyone.  there are way too many variables to toss a horse.  any horse that makes the derby has already beaten the odds and is capable of winning.  how many 'experts' picked 'mine that bird' last year?  

alpenamike 23 Apr 2010 2:59 AM

I'm going to bet the horse who shows up most often on this "elimination blog".

Seriously....after last year, how can you throw anyone out???  I agree 100% with Gavin regarding MTB in the post parade last year.

It's a crap shoot, but the funny thing is the winner usually goes on to further prove himself in the weeks that follow.

All that being said, Homeboykris was the first horse that popped in my head as "elimination-worthy".

(bet him hard to win, folks)

Bluelou 23 Apr 2010 5:22 AM

Rock, this is what I know.  Lookin At Lucky is much the best when compared to any other horse in the Derby field.  I just have a hunch Noble is going to hang on this time and beat him at the wire.  And Dublin is going to love going longer and not many horses are.  But if you think some of these horses are anywhere near as good as Lookin At Lucky and Noble your dreaming.  Mission Impazible couldn't beat Dublin and Rule couldn't hold of Ice Box for heavens sakes.  Clearly the two best horse running are Noble and LAL but there are a couple of unknowns like Awesome Act and Endorsement.  Both those horses could freak and be right there when the big running starts at the top of the stretch.  If you don't see things my way good luck cashing anything May 1st.

draynay 23 Apr 2010 7:23 AM

Jason I noticed you and your friend did not like the outside post for 85ina50 but then he picks the horse in the 9 hole RIGHT NEXT to 85 for the win ? Huh ?  For the record I will be there to watch him run and I expect to blow this field away with ease.  Is it hard to believe speed will hold at the parking lot called Churchill ? 85ina50 wire to wire baby !!!

draynay 23 Apr 2010 7:27 AM

Here ya go, toss em out for the win:

Homeboykris

Dean's Kitten

Discretly Mine

Rule

Line Of David

Paddy O'Prado

Stately Victor

Dublin

Conveyance

American Lion

Awesome Act

Mission Impazzible

me pibb 23 Apr 2010 8:14 AM

Has anyone noticed Dublin looks alot like Mine That Bird but lighter coat, Wayne Lukas saw his legs and thought "HMMMMMMMMMM!" and then he thought-"Afleet Alex was a speedster!"DUBLIN IS A MACHINE AND SPIDER MAN WRAPPED INTO ONE GREAT RACEHORSE. He is Afleet Alex, Mine That Bird, and Barbaro all wrapped up and waiting to be opened. He is going to peak and like Seabiscuit when he sees all the competition ZOOOOOOM.  See ya guys! He keeps his killer instinct and heart well-hidden for the "BIG ONE"

I don't think Homeboykris is going to be in the pot, maybe 5th or 6th.

Fran Loszynski 23 Apr 2010 8:16 AM

Toss any horse my boy picks. I've been around draynay long enough (bless his little heart) to know that unless it's the favorite he likes it's a toss.

I'm sorry to say that draynay will be going back on his word and not sporting a pink dress, pink bow, or pink hat at this years Derby. Forgive him for this as quite often he blurts outrageous things out of his mouth without really thinking.  

On another note I have discovered that my pink thong is missing so he'll be wearing some pink come Derby Day just where nobody can see it (at least I pray nobody sees it).

Good luck to you all on your picks for the Derby!!

Peace out

draynay's better half 23 Apr 2010 8:25 AM

Noble's Promise has no chance. Save any money you are thinking about putting down on him to win.

You can thank me later. The same goes for Dublin, Rule, American Lion, Interactif, Paddys O'Prado, Conveyance, Deans Kitten, Discretly Mine, Homeboykris, Stately Victor,and Line Of David.  

jimmy redneck 23 Apr 2010 8:40 AM

Cheers for your help chaps, thats really cleared that up. I wouldn't forget about Winslow Homer for the Preakness/Belmont though, I was really impressed with him - you could tell he had plenty left in the tank when winning the Holy Bull, I think the extra furlong or two will suit him. Thanks again.

Danny 23 Apr 2010 8:46 AM

Will W.  Tom Durkin did not call last year's Derby.  It was Mark Johnson, who called the Derby for the first time, coming from England.

Toss outs...gee...they made it into the Derby...I don't think I want to toss any qualifier.  No way would I toss Stately Victor since he's my pick, along with Endorsement and LAL.  I think Esky and Sidney's Candy will run big...in front...and then fade.  I don't think there's a chance Dean's Kitten will be in the top 15.  I think 85ina50 is all speed with no distance..by Forest Camp (Deputy Minister..Northern Dancer) out of an Unbridled Song's mare.  And he's crazy...don't know what he'll do on the first turn, let alone the second turn.  I think he may win the trial, but I really don't think he has a chance in the Derby. (god of horses.....(Chiron?)..don't make me eat my words please).  I also would not toss Dublin...they may have been saving him for the big dance.

Slew 23 Apr 2010 8:48 AM

Dray,

When was the last time a horse placed 5th in their most recent prep and won?  If you know, please tell me, but Noble's Promise won't help that stat any!

My tosses alphabetically:

Conveyance

Dean's Kitten

Discreetly Mine

Dublin

Homeboykris

Interactif

Line of David

Noble's Promise

Paddy O'Prado

Stately Victor

Any horse can win as MTB proved last year, but these are my bet against, until the draw comes out and I eliminate gates 1,2,18,19,20.

TJLuvsTizs 23 Apr 2010 9:10 AM

I am tossing every horse trained by Pletcher and Lukas except for Eskendereya. My top picks are clearly Awesome Act, Endorsement, Lookin At Lucky, Sidneys Candy, and Eskendereya.

Ted from LA,

What horse is rumored to be lame?

Danny,

I can not listen to your advice about Awesome Act when you are condidering a bet on Winslow Homer. Do they have dirt races in the UK? I don't think so, Awesome Act was closing fast in the B.C. on turf and is even better on dirt.

Dubai Dave,

Go back to Dubai with your insulting arrogance.

Forbidden Apple 23 Apr 2010 9:54 AM

To all posters: Since everyone seems willing to toss all the so called speed horses, consider a scenario that I've seen develop way too many times in big races with what appears to be a number of front running type horses. Every jock sees the same form that you do and assesses his possible position and tactics. So what happens? All the jocks hustle for position into the first turn then takes a hold, thus what was thought to be a hot pace slows dramatically while closer types file in to save ground and wait for the speed to come back around the 3/8th to 1/4 pole. This year's Derby fits the profile. What would seem to be a very quick pace may not happen. Agreed there will be a couple of barns with definite need the lead speed horses that will send to insure an honest pace for their big horse but the stalkers that can come back to their rider early and rate from just off the pace, or are prominently placed, will get first run in relatively mediocre fractions and will not come back. Careful before you toss as only tactical speed will win this year's Derby. Best of luck to all.  

mg 23 Apr 2010 9:57 AM

I may just draw 10 names out of a hat for my 10 throwaways...

Make that 9. Homeboykris I will name, which makes me happy because I can't stand dutrow and make it a point to never bet his horses.

I always bet a grey, and I may be putting some $ on a potential toss horse after all. I figured paddy to be a turf horse, but after this morning, if there'sslop he's in my picks.

Aspercel 23 Apr 2010 10:23 AM

Carlos in Cali - Eskendereya has already faced "solid split" times and prevailed with ease.   So it appears your antipathy may just be that he isn't a Cali/plastic product but an actual race horse.

Only horse I toss so far is Homeboykris.  The field's too big for a decent race and should be pared back to a rational single gate field.  It long ago ceased to be a battle of top quality horses instead has become a roller derby.

I doubt the speed horses like Line of David and Sidney's Candy will be first under the line, but I don't toss 'em out of my exotics.

Lmaris 23 Apr 2010 10:53 AM

Before I start eliminating horses for the Derby, could someone please explain to me how Endorsement can go 1.5 seconds faster for 9 furlongs at Sunland Park (almost equaling the track record btw) than Eskendereya ran 9 furlongs in The Wood and only get a 101 Beyer?  Are they trying to say that Sunland was playing like 12+ lengths faster than Aqueduct?  Is that really believable?

gary at rough creek 23 Apr 2010 10:54 AM

AFTER 2009 PREFORMANCE IN THE KENTUCKY DERBY WITH MIND THAT BIRD I AM PREPAIRED FOR ANY THING THAT IS WHY I STILL SAY STATELY VICTOR, DUBLIN, AND OTHERS STILL HAVE A SHOT AT THIS THING.  BECAUSE IF THE PACE IS JUST RIGHT AND THEY CHOICE TO WEAR THESE HORSES OUT I CAN GARENTIEE YOU THERE WILL BE A HORSE THAT WILL COME THREW WHO THAT HORSE IS I DON'T KNOW BUT I GARUENTEE THAT IS HOW IT WILL HAPPEN KNOWING THE CURRENT YEAR OF THE PATTERN I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED.  I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE INSAIN NOT TO PUT ONE IN THERE JUST IN CASE.  I THINK ESKANDREAH WILL BE JUST OFF THE LEAD I ALSO LOOK FOR LOOKING AT LUCKY AND SIDNEY'S CANDY TO BE RIGHT THERE AS WELL BUT THE HORSE I THINK EVERY ONE HAS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS SUPPER SAVOR WHY BECAUSE OF CALVIN BAROL I KNOW SUPPER SAVOR LOOKS LIKE A PEICE OF CRAP BUT CALVIN HAS A WAY OF RIDING SOME OF THESE HORSES AND PUTTING THEM IN THE RIGHT SPOT TO WIN THE RACE EVEN IF YOU THINK THERE IS NO WAY YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT HORSE WE ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT A HORSE THAT HAS SET A STAKES RECORD AT CHURCHILL HIMSELF COURSE THAT WAS AT THE BEGAINING OF THE YEAR SO NO ONE PAYS ANY ATTENTION TO THAT.  I WOULDN'T BE SUPRISED IF SUPPER SAVOR ISN'T 35 TO 1 ON THE ODDS SHEET COME SATURDAY MORNING.  IT'S THE DERBY ANY THING IS POSSIBLE.  

matt h 23 Apr 2010 10:59 AM

Kindly accept my sincere apology for concluding that Odysseus was your derby horse. He was ranked #1 on a list compiled by you. It was therefore considered a fair assumption that if had he progressed to the derby, he would still be highly regarded. Do you seriously believe that I am ripping an injuries horse? I merely highlighted parts of my previous post because of the exchange we had on the colt. I came under vicious attacks to suggest that Odysseus had soundness issues. Has my assessment been validated because of the injury he sustained? Certainly not! How could someone that loves everything equine be happy with an injury to a horse? It is certainly not a fair assessment of my intentions and for you to conclude otherwise is unfortunate and unfair.

A few points on the horses you have selected for elimination:

American Lion – His Illinois Derby time of 1:51.31 is the slowest in the last 4 years. Cowtown Cat recorded a winning time of 1:51.21 and finished last in the derby. His profile as a potential derby winner is weak. Breeders’ Cup Classic winners have dismal records as derby sires. Storm Cat broodmares are nonexistent on the TC chart.  A definite toss.

Conveyance – Agree with assessment

Dean's Kitten - Agree with assessment. Hard Spun ran a 1:36.73 mile in his LE victory. Dean's Kitten 1:37.81

Dublin – You are certainly going to be taking a lot of heat for this one any rightfully so. I am certainly in no position to tell Mr. Lukas anything about horses but if I had the opportunity would quote Anthony Robbins. “If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've gotten” In Dublin’s last three races he was declared with blinkers or visors. He came from 3rd to last to be second in the Southwest. He came from 2nd to last to be 3rd in the Rebel. He was forwardly placed in the Arkansas Derby but failed to quicken sufficiently to win. An examination of his last victory which was the Hopeful he won without any equipment. If the horse won his last race without equipment, all Mr. Lukas has to do is remove the fandangle from the horses’ head. This is a classic case of a trainer gone backwards. If he is declared with an equipment change, I would reconsider. He must have a shot and I would not toss this one.

Discreetly Mine - Agree with assessment

Homeboykris - Agree with assessment

Ice Box -  A horse that can close a rapidly as he can should not be tossed. He did something which is rarely done at the G1 level. He won a 9F race on the wrong lead. He stopped abruptly after the FL Derby because he was extremely. Now if this colt can win going 9f without changing leads he is a monster. Cast your mind back to either the 2006 Sam Davis or Tampa Bay Derby. Bluegrass Cat lost a shoe and in spite of this galloped powerfully in defeat where others would faded. I picked him to win the derby because of the heart he showed. Barbaro won but I did bet him with the field for the EXTR. Giacomo was not very fast and had to be ridden to stay in touch with the fast Cahorses. In spite of this, he still had enough stamina to pass horses in the final furlong. I noted that and concluded he would need every inch of the CD’s track to win. I look for signs to and Ice Box has given ones. He is definitely not a toss.

Line Of David – He ran the fastest 6f & 8F splits in the AK derby last four years. His dam sire Capote was the 1986 Champion 2yo colt and is a son of TC winner Seattle Slew. I cannot see your stamina concerns. A less than stellar son (Slewacide) of the great TC champion was broodmare sire of derby winner Funny Cide. His second dam was sired by Raise A Native. When was the last time RAN appeared as second dam sire in a contender’s pedigree? Need I remind you the horses directly linked t oRAN have won 43 TC races. This colt showed what we all want to see in a thoroughbred i.e., speed, stamina and heart. Never toss well bred unknown quantities. He is a keeper.

Paddy O'Prado - Agree with assessment

Stately Victor - In my opinion this will be the horse to beat in the derby. He is a May foal that is improving rapidly at the right time. It has been 19 years since the Bluegrass winner has won the Derby with Strike The Gold being the last. He has all the credentials. His sire was brilliantly fast and his grand sire closed from another zip code to win the BCC. There is no question about his stamina and the turn of foot he displayed in winning the Bluegrass from a forwardly place position it what will be required to catch the litany of blazingly fast front runners. His dam sire Dynaformer is grandson of Hail To Reason. The HTR broodmare line has had past derby success  via Stop The Music was broodmare sire of Giacomo and the useful Tiago. It’s not very often the sire of a derby winner does the double and become broodmare sire of a derby winner but it has happened. The 1975 Derby winner Foolish Pleasure dam was sired by Tom Fool who was also sire of 1958 derby winner Tim Tam. Your concerns about his dirt form can be put to rest as Lentenore ran an encouraging 4th in the FL Derby with a troubled trip. The Churchill Downs’ track is known to favor poly track performers.  Derby winner Street Sense was second in the Bluegrass. Derby runner up Hard Spun won the Lanes End. Mine That Bird, Pioneer Of The Nile and 4th place finisher Papa Clem all perform well on the poly. This colt ran the most impressive 9F prep in 2010. How can you consider eliminating him.

I would replace Dublin, Ice Box,  Line Of David  and Stately Victor with Nobles Promise, Rule, Awesome Act, Interactif .

Coldfacts 23 Apr 2010 11:12 AM

The filly is a toss if she goes in, last year was last year of the girls.  There is a reason they don't run against the boys all the time.  JMO.  Australia runs full fields all the time, 20 horse is what is unique about the Derby, no where else in the States you get that.  As the graded system has problems, you know the rules of how to get in, and that is what a trainer is suppose to do, know the game.  Setukso, everyone says he will be better on dirt, then why did the trainer not run him in one of the dirt races, trainer error is my thought process. Dublin is a toss, HOF trainer would run anything in the derby if he could, he likes the lime light.  What was that horse he ran last year, that never won and never heard from again, because it was all about the lime light, heck I don't think that horse ever won as a matter of fact.  Flying First Class or something like that.  So know that I said that, all you Dublin lovers go hammer him cuz I just put him in the winners picture.

Antman 23 Apr 2010 11:17 AM

draynays better half,

LMAO that post was hilarious!! No need to worry here as I am fully aware of the nay nay's inability to identify any winner that is not the favorite.

I'll also eliminate everyones whipping boy Homeboykris, Dean's Kitten, Paddy O'Prado, Discretly Mine, Interactif, Line of David, American Lion, Stately Victor, and Rule all on a fast track.  

gw_bushwacker 23 Apr 2010 11:41 AM

mg,

I totally agree with you.  Not all 7 E or E/P horses can have the lead, nor need the lead.  It is very common that the race you thought would turn up on paper, is completely upside down from what happens.  I agree that the pace for the derby may be (depending on weather) high 22, high 46, 1:11.  If that is the case, the front runners right off the pace will have plenty left for the final 1/2 mile.  

I just don't like Line of David, Discreetly Mine or Conveyance at all in this spot. The Winstar quartet could all be in the top 6 spots with 1/4 to go.  

Can May 1 hurry up already?!

TJLuvsTizs 23 Apr 2010 11:45 AM

fran loszynski,

Dublin's got no prayer in the real world of winning. He putt putt's along waiting for others to quit rather than sucking it up and passing them in the lane. He hasn't the heart to prevail. On top of that he is fighting the draynay curse.

joe schmoe 23 Apr 2010 11:52 AM

Dray,

You know what I see between Dublin and Noble's Promise? Both of them have not won for at least 6 months. Not only that, Noble's Promise isn't 100%. I wouldn't want to be associated with any horse that has fitness issues goint in to a race where they need to run the race of their life. Dublin to me just seems like a hanger. He hasn't been able to get the job done since the Hopeful, and just appears overmatched for the win. Although I can see him getting a piece.

I really can't get past Looking at Lucky and Eskendereya. Looking at Lucky is battle tested, loves to win, and has the right style for the race. Eskendereya on the other hand has been sensational his last two starts. Some may question the competition he's faced, but there's a reason why he hasn't faced the best yet. They're all ducking him. And everyone will find out why May 1st. Some question how he'll adjust to the fast pace. I don't think he'll have a problem at all with it. If he's running those fractions from the Fountain of Youth for example, you'd figure he'd be 8 to 10 lengths off the pace. Some people don't realize he's got a turn of foot, and can sustain it all day. How else is did he seperate himself from his competition the last two times he's raced? The only thing I can see beating him is an inside post. Other than that, this a horse you can place where ever you want. Catch him to cash. Looking at Lucky usually runs to his competition, so he should have the fave in his sights. I hate to bank on chalk, but the other horses just don't measure up to these two.

The Rock 23 Apr 2010 12:01 PM

I won't toss anyone until I see the PP's, although I have my doubts about a few of them. A different angle, but the negativity that permeates these boards, seems nicer to have not gone this route.

Coldfacts, you might consider the little fact of keeping a colt focused, plus the history of his races. Go ahead, tell Wayne what you think.LOL

Fran, you love Dublin and I hope he rewards you. Although he's a monster and would tower over Mine That Bird, we can always hope the results are the same.

Wow, FA, that's like shooting yourself in the foot. Seems like only people who actually KNOW someone should have a dislike for them like you do.

TJ I agree, it can't get here soon enough. Then those who do it, can play Monday morning trainer.

Tim G 23 Apr 2010 12:20 PM

Jason

  Is Paddy still a toss after that workout?

Dr Drunkinbum 23 Apr 2010 12:22 PM

The Rock/Joe schmoe,

I am not Dublin fan but I think he can win. He has won his races without blinkers and WL has used them in his last 3 races. If they are removed he will be a different horse.

Coldfacts 23 Apr 2010 12:56 PM

More bullet workouts today! lol! I say looking at lucky is a the horse to beat look at all his races his ran and has never not hit the board. I have a feeling looking at lucky is getting more attention lately and might go off as the favorite and deservingly so. Any word on how endorsment is training??

It Aint Easy being good 23 Apr 2010 12:56 PM

No horse is ever a sure thing, either as a loss or a win, but here are the horses, in my opinion, most likely to lose.

Homeboykris: What is this horse doing in the Derby?

Awesome Act: His only stakes win was the subpar Gotham Stakes, and his two grade 1 starts have him losing by 9 3/4 lengths and 7 lengths.

Paddy O' Prado: He only has one win in his life, although it was a stakes.

Dublin: 0 for three this year is not a good sign.

Citation 23 Apr 2010 12:59 PM

Dranay is making perfect sense.  Lookin at Lucky has done nothing wrong.  Now as for his jockey..."I looked up and thought what the he$& is he doing on the rail?" (Baffert).  A healthy NP is dangerous and classy.  Wouldn't leave him off my super.  And what do you do with a horse that is at least consistent?  Dublin is a plodder, and plodders often get the Derby distance.  With equal splits he can pass tiring speed to make it to top 4 honors.  I see him as this year's Musket Man for always hangin around.  

Householder 23 Apr 2010 1:00 PM

I can see the line now.  "Sidney's Candy stumbles, off slowly, shuffled back early."

or "Hopped at the break, hurried to the 1/2 mile pole, never a factor."  

Still kind of curious as to why "Smoken Joe" went to the whip 6-7 times in the Santa Anita Derby with him being 6-8 clear?  Did he think Lucky was coming?  

Young "jittery" jockeys scare me just as much as bad breaks in the big one.  

Householder 23 Apr 2010 1:11 PM

I'm north of Louisville but our weather is usually the same.  The only difference this time of year is we get colder at night, but rain or shine is the same around 99.5% of the time.

We have 70% chance or rain forecast for next Friday and Saturday.  This is from our local (fairly accurate) weatherman.  

weather.com does not have either us or Louisville with rain next weekend but they're usually wrong.

So any Louisville residents here?  What's your LOCAL forecast for next weekend (meaning not weather.com)?

Mary 23 Apr 2010 1:51 PM

It was an impressive work for Paddy but many of them are firing bullets so far. Plus, they sealed the track for both his and Ice Box's works. Paddy has fired many bullets before if you go back and look at it. That being said, he definately deserves another look next week.

Jason Shandler 23 Apr 2010 1:55 PM

householder,

Put down the nay nay kool-aid before ya choke to death. Neither Dublin or Nobles Promise are good enough to beat the nay nay curse. LAL has the look of a typical nay nay pick, he'll be on most everyones tickets.

mr pibb 23 Apr 2010 2:02 PM

Tim G,

Not sure if you are waiting for Post Positions, or Past Performances, but the latter is available on a competitors website of the "Daily" variety.

I've had better luck handicapping with Bris Past Performances myself, but the competitor's PP's are available.

TJLuvsTizs 23 Apr 2010 2:09 PM

The last forecast I saw on WHAS was only through Thursday, will watch for the update later. Stormy, think it's supposed to be bad thuderstorms this weekend with tornadic cells affecting us somewhat through this Sunday and clearing up a bit by Tuesday, no rain Tu, Wed or Thurs. But news that was confirmed, the deer were caught safely!

I think TWC or internet are just as reliable on weather, long term.

It's kind of funny to read the comments about who absolutely will NOT win the Derby. Slow learners on here?

Tim G 23 Apr 2010 2:27 PM

Lmaris

He has?..When & where?....

Are Ice Box,Endorsement & Awesome Act whom I have on my 5 horse short-list, Cali/synthetic horses?..

Before you call someone out,at least have your arguments straight.Come correct next time will ya'.

Carlos in Cali 23 Apr 2010 2:36 PM

Jason I'm starting to look at this like it's a "toss everyone"-- except for the big three--Esky, by far the tops on #'s...Lucky, who is 100% racehorse, and pealikg!...Sydney, the best speed, and before everyone gets to thinking it will be a pace collapse, my brother pointed out to me, decades ago, that in races with lots of speed types, a speed horse usually wires the field--I can attest to his logic, which is based on observation of many races over the years....my longshot remains American Lion, and I will continue to remind everyone it's not where you are/it's where you're going--and 'Lion is moving forward--he has run well all along--he has had problems at the gate and in the gate--so he can bomb, no doubt about that! BUT--if you can take away that nervousness, you have a horse who's bred for the 1 1/4, NOT a need the lead type...who will fight on---The connections are spot on! Harty has brought two (I think) to the winners circle in the Derby--just not in his name, but he's been there and done that! I cannot help that there's a lot of speed in the Derby--American Lion is moving the right way, and I will move in "with him".....

Matthew W 23 Apr 2010 2:48 PM

TJ, sorry, meant post positions.

I have the past performances memorized after having them, the works and the woes and failings of the trainers pounded into me on here.....LOL

Well that and what I've observed when viewing the preps and listening to those who actually have SOME firsthand dealings ;)

Tim G 23 Apr 2010 2:52 PM

Yes, maybe I've seen Seabiscuit too many times but to say Dublin doesn't have a prayer-there's a convent of nuns that followed Smarty Jones and Afleet Alex from Philly that would take you to task on that one, not to mention the kids that will be watching the Derby this year. If you hear little angel wings flapping around your head as Dublin heads for the finish line-DUCK!

Thanks Tim G and fans of Dublin for your kind words.

If any get a chance go into the archives and watch K.Derby1979

SPECTACULAR BID-Afleet of Angels grandpa!  Wait till I get on that bandwagon folks!!!!!

Fran Loszynski 23 Apr 2010 3:04 PM

The first one I thought to toss was Homeboykris, which means I better put some money on him just in case.

TerriV 23 Apr 2010 3:22 PM

Toss:

The filly if she goes

Homeboykris

Dean's Kitten

Stately Victor

Paddy O'Prado

Conveyance'

Line of David

Super Saver

Discreetly Mine

Noble's Promise

It will be very difficult for any of the speed horses to win this year.  There's more speed here than at the Indy 500.  I look for a horse from mid-pack or farther back to take the race.

I too feel that the size of the field in the derby needs to be reduced to 14.  If a horse were to go down entering that first turn it could be a catastrophe.  I remember a few years back one of the jocks said that the only thing that kept him from going down was that the horses were packed in so tight that they held his horse up.  It is difficult to handicap a field this size because so many horses have trouble during the race.

As to Calvin Borel, if the jocks hadn't given him the rail he would not have won his first Derby.  What has Mine that Bird done since winning the Derby?  The track last year was in horrible condition.  It's the kind of surface that scares a jockey who has good sense especially in a 20 horse field.

redandblacksilks 23 Apr 2010 3:26 PM

I don't see how anybody can hope to accurately handicap without knowing if 85ina50 is in or not.  I saw an interview with his trainer the other day.  He gave me the impression that he intends to blast him out of the gate to scorch the earth if he makes the Derby.

IMHO he's the difference between a blistering, suicidal pace and a merely hot pace.  If 85ina50 is in, I'm tossing everybody that runs within about 5 lengths of the front runner.  If he's out, I'm keeping some of the 'closer to the pace' types.

Irish 23 Apr 2010 3:31 PM

Tim G,

I am aware of what the equipment are used for. Prior to affixing Dublin with blinkers he won the Hopeful forwardly placed. After they were affixed he was further last than first in his first two starts. So the objective was achieved. Wayne wanted him to be focused at the back of the field. The blinkers have not worked and he continues to persist with them. Speedy Bob place them on LAL and he won. They were subsequently removed. The horse has been working well and hanging in the stretch. Something needs to change. If the last race he won was without anything on his head, what harm can be achieved by removing the fandangle. Almost 100% of Wayne’s horses are decked out in theses unwanted fandangle, are they all unfocussed. He is losing it.

Coldfacts 23 Apr 2010 3:36 PM

30 % chance now on Saturday, and no rain on Oaks as of today at 3pm

Billy's Empire 23 Apr 2010 3:41 PM

Jason,

I haven't yet watched your THS for the Derby Trial, so I am sorry if I am being redundant, but this race is coming up ugly to handicap.

None of the horses have won more than twice, 4 have won over the distance, and if it is an off track, not one of the horses has placed in an off track race (unless you count 85ina50's race off the track which he clearly won!).

Pleasant Prince is a nice horse and I would play him in a box with Miner's Reserve and Game on Dude as those two have wins over 1 turn miles.

TJLuvsTizs 23 Apr 2010 3:42 PM

Ok, I looked on a few weather sites.

one says a.m rain, then sunny on Derby

one says 72 and sunny no rain, so the forecast is starting to look like it could be a nice day.

Both say no rain on Oaks.

Billy's Empire 23 Apr 2010 3:56 PM

85n50 is a lock for tomorrow. Maybe Miners reserve may get a peice as well. 85 is a freak

Billy's Empire 23 Apr 2010 3:57 PM

Maybe I should refrain from that type of talk, anything can hapen, it is horse racing....

Billy's Empire 23 Apr 2010 3:58 PM

I think far too many of you are ruling Dublin out. In that race won by Conveyance, he's hanging left all the way up the home straight and in another 100 metres he's obviously in front. If they can teach that thing to run in a straight line, over the extra trip he could be a decent animal.

Can't emphasise enough how far down the U.K 2 year old pecking order Awesome Act was though. I don't buy this "change of surface" transforming him man, he's just plain average.

I know this isn't really the question, but at the odds I WOULD CHUCK ESKENDEREYA! I'm not saying he's not the best horse, but his odds are a joke. Take that "oh-so-impressive" Wood memorial run. Of the last ten runnings of that race, that was the eighth fastest (3rd slowest). Of the 9 previous winners of the W.Memorial, NONE have gone on to win the K.Derby, infact, only 3 of them even finished in the first 5. Add all this to the fact that Awesome Act finished 3rd - Awesome Act got beat over here in England by Ameer, Al Zir, Quadrille and Beethoven. These are third rate horses man - Eskendereya's form ain't as good as it looks.

Danny 23 Apr 2010 4:11 PM

Jason - nice work, very interactive, constant Blog.  Thanks!  Adds a lot to the Trail.  Also, thanks for the "sealed" comment a little ways up.  Tosses: NP, Rule, LOD, Conv, AL, Dub, SS, DM, DK, Intera, HomeB, JB, BT.  What remains is what to consider, plus the Filly.  Then, all I have to do is select the one on top of the super wheel; that's the assignment for the week.  Thanks again, Red Ranson 423.

Red Ransom 423 23 Apr 2010 4:19 PM

Coldfacts, where can I see your name in the trainer standings? Better yet where can I see you in the HOF?

You obviously haven't talked to Wayne or you'd know that little jab is ridiculous if not downright slanderous.

He puts equipment on the horses who need it. Dublin keeps getting out, even in the Hopeful he had issues, in fact he did that in the race before the Hopeful and did it again in the Champagne. Finally Wayne put them on him in the Iroquois. Still having the problem though not as bad in the AD.

Bob put blinkers on LAL at the suggestion of GoGo, well,after that horrible ride maybe he's not listening to him???

You know soooooo much, who's your Derby starter?

Like I said, go tell Wayne that. Add that snippy little comment on the end and we'll pay admission to see what happens to you.

You don't have any facts, just opinion. You call out Jason on a 'fact' that is wrong, same with this 'fact'.

Dray may be a blowhard but he doesn't write a full length blog filled with inaccuracies like you consitently do. Get back with me when you've trained a Derby winner, heck get back with me when you've trained a race horse, ma'am.

Tim G 23 Apr 2010 4:21 PM

Danny,

You're still talking about 2 different surfaces. Just take a look at the record for dirt horses running on synthetics in the Breeders Cup races. The dirt horses are all of quality, but some just can't handle the surface. I think its reasonable to say that Awesome Act is just a better race horse on dirt.

The Rock 23 Apr 2010 4:33 PM

Just put the do re mi on Tigers Rock, GGomez/TPletcher, in the Elkhorn...not sure he can get the distance, but GoGo/Pletcher has been white hot--5-1 right now, off an 8-1 morning line, I took it...a week from the Oaks...Crisp drilled a bullet...c'mon, Todd, enter Devil May Care in the Derby so I can cash my Oaks future on Crisp!

Matthew W 23 Apr 2010 4:53 PM

Billy, ain't that the truth!

Truthfully the only thing as big of a crapshoot as the Derby is predicting the weather! I saw a guy years ago, very popular weatherman in the area, said all he does is walk outside and sees the sun shining or the rain and comes back in and corrects his forecast.LOL

Also NoFacts? Wait and see, but kind of late in the game to change up now.

Tim G 23 Apr 2010 5:07 PM

Dr Drunkinbum, here's some Derby advice...The best horse doesn't always, and in many cases, rarely wins, anything CAN happen and it really is "The Most Exciting Two Minutes in Sports."  As far as Derby 136, Esky has looked head & shoulders above everyone this year, but he won't provide much value.  Less than 5/2, imo.  Others I like to grab a piece include Ice Box, Super Saver, Lookin At Lucky and MAYBE Awesome Act.  

copenhusker13 23 Apr 2010 5:40 PM

Danny, Dublin may have looked good in his race against Conveyance, but he has gotten his extra distance in two races since and hung in both. I don't like him much as a Derby horse. I agree with you on Awesome Act, though.

Citation 23 Apr 2010 5:58 PM

First of all:

DWL has forgotten more about training horses than all you "desktop trainers" combined have ever known, and he will still out train you all.  Remember Charismatic? 30-1 ?????

@ danny:  Awesome Act never liked the turf, he is breed for the dirt.

Line of David is by Lion Heart and have shown that he can real off the 12's and keep going, only difference is he has MORE HEART than his daddy (LH never like when he was passed on his right side, watch him winning as a 2 year old, Gary and then Mike keept him of the rail)  he will hit the board.

This Derby will bring some nice pay off

Gunfighter 23 Apr 2010 6:02 PM

I WISH I had bet on Wayne Lukas, over the years, in the Derby!

Matthew W 23 Apr 2010 6:05 PM

On second thought, I am tossing all of the horses except Endorsement.  Eskendereya will finish last, a half length behind Super Saver.

Ted from LA 23 Apr 2010 6:06 PM

Beware of Crisp in the Oaks! Her best race was her maiden win, at Hollywood Park, which plays like dirt--she blew the turn but reeled them in with ease--she wants more distance! Sadler might have a BIG weekend! I lost my Keenland bet today, am making two Hollywood bets tonight: Race 4: #6 True Gatita, 15-1 morning line....Race 5 #3 Theatrical Pro, 4-1 but I think will be much higher than that, will box with #1 Hockley and #5 Thomas Baines, but will play Theatrical Pro on top, as I think he's a nice horse....

Matthew W 23 Apr 2010 6:44 PM

I can't toss Ice Box, the field is shaping up to be a very rapid pace, so not only can I not toss Ice Box, I am going to play him, along with the other closers (Awesome Act and Pleasant Prince if he makes it).  I really hope Esky wins, because I think it will be the start of something special, but with the traffic of 20 horses and a pace much faster than the romps Esky has been used to, and a distance that none of these horses have seen before, MY MONEY IS ON THE CLOSERS!

Mark 23 Apr 2010 6:56 PM

Throw out last year's goo fest and things start to look better in regards to holding form.

2000 Fusaichis Pegasus-Favorite

2001 Point Given-Favorite(Prea/Bel)

2004 Smart Jones-Favorite

2005 Afleet Alex-Favorite(Preak/Bel

2006 Barbaro-Second Choice

2007 Street Sense-Favorite

2008 Big Brown-Favorite

2009 Pioneer-Place

Householder 23 Apr 2010 7:06 PM

I'll toss all except Lucky, Sidney, Stately Victor, Conveyance, Dublin and Eskendereya.  The favorites are really good and I like the others for various reasons that propel them from the toss list for me.  I intend on using Sidney and Lucky at the top and fill in underneath with the rest on my keepers list.

wilson 23 Apr 2010 7:20 PM

Can't wait for Blind Luck to go an additional 1/16th.  Hollendorfer knows where to place his horses. Hysterical Lady...second to Ginger Punch in the Breeder's Lady's Cup and Lite Light lit this event up in the early 90's.  "Do Do Do Do  can't touch this."  You Tube some of those classic Lite Light vs. Meadow Star matchups with the MC in tow.    

Householder 23 Apr 2010 7:26 PM

Danny;

I agree with you completely on Dublin and Eskendereya. But on Awesome Act, I'm afraid I have to disagree. I think that he has an excellent chance at winning the Kentucky Derby. He reminds me of Cigar in ways, because Cigar didn't run very well at all on turf as a two year old and then went on to big things when he switched to dirt.

Now I have a question for you --- who is the favorite right now for the Epsom Derby? Just curious.

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 23 Apr 2010 7:46 PM

"Anyhoo, I smell another long shot this year.  The smell is so strong I'm playing every horse 15/1 and higher to avoid a near miss.  Take a whiff and you'll smell it too....it smells like money."

Barb Dwyer 22 Apr 2010 10:01 PM

You might want too rethink that strategy Barb, you might only break even if you win with one of those 15/1 shots. Sid could be the third choice at around 8/1, fourth choice could be 10/1.  It won't take long from there to get too 15/1 and you might actually have to bet 15 horses to accomplish your goal (most likely at least 12 will be over 15/1, but, it could be 15 horses in this one).  Hardly worth the effort at that point. No, Barb, you had it right all along.  If you like your strategy then stick with at least 20/1 in this KD, maybe 25/1. My guess is that there is a good possibility that 8 to 10 horses go off at more than 25/1. Like I say, just guessing.

Shiznik 23 Apr 2010 7:51 PM

We must all be dedicated, doing this year after year! Why not? Hey, it's the Derby, right? Realistically though, when you consider that these guys have never even smelled a field this size and rarely been in a race that's run as rough-and-tumble as the Derby often is (well, maybe Lookin at Lucky has; he's been through the wringer and still pulled it off!), it's hardly surprising that so often the best horse actually doesn't win. Imagine being one of these colts, breaking out of the gate amid this MOB of horses and thinking, "I didn't know they could get so many horss on one racetrack!" A bit awe-inspiring, to say the least! Just the same, I'm as bad as everyone else and I'll be tuned in on Derby Day, hollering for maybe 3 or 4 in the field - and if I'm very, very lucky, one of my choices will hit the wire first. Most important of all though, may 20 pretty,big-hearted 3-year old boys stick their noses happily into their evening feed-tubs and settle down for a comfortable and well-deserved rest. Good luck, guys - all of you. Be safe. First and foremost - be safe.

Convene 23 Apr 2010 8:41 PM

Tim G,

You are certainly wired. Try not to be so quick to anger as anger lies in the lap of the foolish. There is no need to attack me. I was just making an observation. I saw the hopeful and agree he was getting out after he made the lead. This problem could have been directly related to his reparatory issues.  The addition of the blinker might have corrected that problem and created another. I have been an owner thoroughbreds and have been closely associated with their conditioning and training and I know what impact equipment can have on a horse.  The removal of the blinker in one of his three preps could have had a positive effect. The horse keeps hanging in the stretch. What harm would occur if the equipment was removed?  I have clearly offended and you have my sincere apology. NB: Jason can defend himself and you are a liberty to scroll past my posts since you find them provocative. Peace.

Coldfacts 23 Apr 2010 9:20 PM

CITATION

I totally agree with you that "no horse is EVER A SURE THING TO WIN OR LOSE". Many of these people on this blog kill me w/their  stats,etc. I'll bet no one on here including myself selected MTB last yr. to win the Derby.

Mike Relva 23 Apr 2010 9:42 PM

Jason

For those wanting to toss Sidneys Candy for questions about pace and the dirt before you do check out what his pilot Joe Talamo has to say about all that. He's not tossing.

http://www.thederbydream.com

marktoothaker 23 Apr 2010 9:56 PM

When I was a teenager I liked Lukas trained horses like Open Mind, Steinlen, and Carson City. I started to lose interest in his horses after seeing the super high prices at the sales every year. I don't think many people on this blog have sat down and had lunch with Lukas or Pletcher. I have eyes and ears and I am entitled to my own opinion Tim G. Maybe you work for Lukas or Pletcher, I really don't care. Good luck with the $525,000 Dublin, he is a 100% toss. I would rather see a first time Derby trainer win the race, with either Awesome Act or Endorsement.

What is all of the fuss over Devil May Care? Crisp is a well oiled machine and Blind Luck has a big knockout punch.

Forbidden Apple 23 Apr 2010 10:10 PM

Probably not very likely, but I think it would be hilarious if the Derby played out like this:

Eightfiveinafifty makes the field and draws an inside post. He's barely leading gas they approach the clubhouse turn at which point all of the other jockeys contesting for the lead, unsure of what 85ina50 will do back off of him, at which point Fitty, with his easy lead hugs the rail and wires the field.  I would laugh all day long if that happened.

TripleCrownCoug 23 Apr 2010 10:17 PM

Billy's Empire,

An off track for the Trial makes 85ina50 an even heavier favorite.  Forest Camp's love the slop!

TripleCrownCoug 23 Apr 2010 10:24 PM

After skimming, I was just about to throw in the 85-50 angle, and I saw the post by Irish.  With all the prominent speed, which is well documented; the whole landscape changes if that lunatic starts.  However, if he does, the post position draw, might be more exciting than several of the last KD's themselves, just to see where he's gonna come from.  Two starts back, he was wandering the streets of Ozone Park.  Add a 20 horse field and 150,000 people??  I guess you gotta love him in a one turn mile, if its uneventful, but with the inherent derby pressure--wow.

brettzky99 23 Apr 2010 10:25 PM

redandblacksilks,

"What has Mine That Bird done since winning the Derby?"  Are you seriously suggesting that Mine that Bird's Derby win was a fluke?  Okay, let me go through this one more time.  Mine That Bird came a fast closing 2nd to Super Duper filly Rachel Alexandra in The Preakness, with 5 more pounds on him than she carried.  He came 3rd - a head away from 2nd - to eventual 3YO champion Summer Bird in the 12 furlong Belmont.  He came 3rd in the grade 2 West Virginia Derby - less than 2 lengths from the win - while giving his rivals 11 pounds.  Then he had to undergo an operation.

What he did was beat all colts in The Preakness, and showed himself to be a tough horse and a true classic horse by coming third in The Belmont despite a less than optimal ride.  He was a champion at 2, a KY Derby winner at 3, and he placed in every triple crown race.  And his times were quite respectable.  He's earned over $2,000,000.  What has he done...please.  

gary at rough creek 23 Apr 2010 10:33 PM

Have to agree with those who want the fieldlimit of 14.  Too much chaos, unsafe for horses and jocks, and unless you're caneneroII, outside posts might as well just not show.  Until the draw, have tossed Rule & Conveyance- milers; Stately Victor- a one race wonder facing too stiff this time; most of the early speed, incl Sidney- I think the pace will fry them.  Should 85 draw in tomorrow, he's a toss, as is LAL if he should draw the anywhere near the rail.

Guess that leaves me with Endorsement, Esky, Awesome and maybe Dubin to finish the super. Spoiler? Line of David.  I don't think anyone can throw Esky out of exotics, despite the odds.

PomDeTerre 23 Apr 2010 10:55 PM

Gosh...I'd love to see your last year's "Derby Elimination" list. I

expect Mine That Bird was at the

very top. Bwwwaaahhhhaaaaaa...scuse

me, I just spit coffee all over my

keyboard...over 6 decades of Derby

watching confirms for me that trying to predict it is pure b.s.

Susan 23 Apr 2010 11:07 PM

Dray-

IF 85 gets to the Derby, he may lead til the turn for home.  After that, he jumps the rail and gets a hot dog.

PomDeTerre 23 Apr 2010 11:08 PM

Antman- Endorsement hasn't raced since the Sunland, so the answer to your question is- no, he hasn't won anything since then.  

PomDeTerre 23 Apr 2010 11:21 PM

85ina50 a lock for tomorrow???  For what?  I say his odds of ending up in the beer line in the first turn are as good as him being first at the finish line.  As for the Derby forecast, there is a 50-50 chance of rain. Either it will or it won't.  I am looking ahead to Endorsement's chances of capturing the second leg of the triple crown.  It's looking like blue skies at Pimlico for May 15th.

Ted from LA 23 Apr 2010 11:44 PM

I don't 'work' for either of them.

:)

If Bill and Bob and Wayne et al have the money to pay for the colt and aren't b*tc**ng and moaning, are very happy with him and his progress? What's YOUR problem with it?

The high cost of horses back in the 80's and 90's? Overbrook had a lot of success back then. The Sangsters et al of the world were driving the prices back then, a few Americans just happened to finally get with it, keeping some of the KY breds actually IN KY.

I don't particularly like to see the second guessing. The criticisms are fine, several on here do it and there's a way to do it and be legitimately or constructively critical and then there's the mean empty type of name calling and acting like you actually KNOW something.

Coldfacts, I will never ignore when a comment is made about someone so mean-spirited. Saying 'he's losing it' about a gentleman in his 70's particularly one who made horse racing recognizable for a long time and is still the face of racing to many people, is not the comment of a fan of racing. If you all can't actually speak to Wayne or Todd, maybe you should read their comments? Neither one sounds like anything but people who want the best for the sport that is their life (as it is some of the rest of us). Their comments are astute and Todd is pretty realistic, Wayne is the epitome of positivity as always.

I'M WIRED? Look in the mirror. No need for the type of personal comments about someone you never met and don't know, when you all are just theoretically or from a betting perspective, throwing horses out of a race.

Lots of people have thrown the horse(s) I like out, no biggie. It's when you try to turn it personal that rankles.

As far as the rest. I wonder if the winner of the Trial will actually go to the Derby if it puts them over the mark?  

I think it's more likely to be a prep for the Preakness. Especially if 85 wins it.

Tim G 23 Apr 2010 11:54 PM

Just wait Rule is going to peak on Derby Day and win it all.

Cottontop 24 Apr 2010 12:43 AM

All of you who are not happy with a 20 horse field should go to Youtube and watch the Melbourne Cup--just pick a year.  Sure, many of the horses running are seasoned, but 3yr old & up races are already running.  Check the Conditions Book.  20 horse fields mean better payoffs.  

I remember more than one race when there's trouble and crowding in a 4 or 5 horse field (non-derby).  

Aluminaut 24 Apr 2010 4:02 AM

KEELERMAN

The current favourite for the Epsom Derby is a horse called St.Nicholas Abbey, and he looks good, really good. I know on youtube you can see him in his last race, the G1 "Racing Post Trophy" (type that in) - seriously worth a watch. If you were to bet on him though, it would have to be now, the 2000 guineas (first leg of our triple crown) is on the same day as the Kentucky Derby, and I can see him thoroughly thrashing the rest of the field. If he does, his odds will for the Epsom Derby will be the shortest we've seen in the race for many a year. If you like to play the outsiders though, there's two horse's called Zeitoper and Burj Nahar, that I like. Their dams were both classic winners, and they're lightly raced, they could be anything. Most people don't even know they exist, let alone have them on their shortlist, I'd say they're worth chucking a few quid at just incase they turn out to be decent. However, in all likelyhood, this St.Nicholas Abbey will proove very hard to beat. Hope this helps.

Danny 24 Apr 2010 7:26 AM

Gary

All Minethatbird has done is been the first loser.  2nd is for a pat on the back nothing else,  there is no glory in that, maybe if your 10,000 claimer and ran 2nd there would lots of hoopla but 2nd don't count except for the exacta.  

I also agree the DWL has forgotten more than any of us combined know but he is also passed his prime.  He is old school and nothing wrong with that, but all the greats go on to long.  

I sure would like to talk to someone who has been to derby for the do's and don'ts for the derby.  

Anyone like Aikenite?  I see a suicidal pace today.  85 is a head case.  

Alot of things get answered in the next couple days, who's in who's out. Todays derby trial.  

Antman 24 Apr 2010 7:56 AM

Churchill Downs race #10 for today there is a horse called Wow Wow Wow with Terry Thompson up should win that race over the favorite if he races the same race as Feb. 13th 2010 and opens him up at six furlongs.   Terry Thompson is a hell of a jockey and this could be a huge upset.   Joe

JOE 24 Apr 2010 8:20 AM

Wow Wow Wow loves the mile and if he is ready could pull off a huge ,huge ,huge upset today at Churchill Downs.    Joe

JOE 24 Apr 2010 8:23 AM

Tim G,

I appreciate your comments that appear to be far more measure than your previous those cited in your previous poat. You advised that I look in the mirror. I challenge you to point to one of my post that reads anything like the attack you levied on me. It is unfortunate that you consider my comments that Wayne is losing it mean spirited. Have you noted what Wayne has been doing over the last couple of years? I will give you two examples. Do you recall a colt by the name Pegasus Wind? He was a May foal the broke his maiden in a reasonable time and was subsequently entered into the G1 Champagne. He ran creditable 3rd. His next start was in Breeder Cup Classic where he finished unplaced and never raced again. A May foal that was lacking in seasoning, was forced into consecutive G1 races resulting in an abbreviation of his racing career. Happily he is now performing stud duties in Peru. In 2009 Flying Private finished last in the Derby. Horses like Dunkirk, (11th) Summer Bird (6th) sat out the Preakness.  Flying Private was entered in the Preakness and finished 4th. One would think the Belmont trip would be taxing on the colt but that would be rational thinking. He was entered in the Belmont against thee freshened Dunkirk, Summer Bird and Flying Filly RA. He finished 6th. This colt clearly had ability but was subjected to a brutal Triple Crown Campaign that has ruined him. The decision to run this horse in certain races could not be the owners only. Flying Private was purchased for $700K and Pegasus Wind $300K.  There is the possibility that their respective prices played a part in the decision making process.

Mr. Lukas is great trainer but like anyone else he is not above or beyond criticism even by a non entity such as me. I have criticized Speed Bob from CA and Jason’s # trainer Todd P. Criticism does not detract from the enormous achievements of these gentlemen. Your defense of Wayne suggests he is infallible and no human infallible.

Coldfacts 24 Apr 2010 8:33 AM

I am shocked when reading the blogs and that the race fans that do not think that Mission Impazible is going to win the Kentucky Derby.   LOOK at the races he has run and the way he runs and the way that he is a presser and a stalker and the way that he fires out of the gate and settles down and the way.  The horse is rating itself and knows that the end of a race is the place to use the power.   The derby could have fifty horses in that race and Mission Impazible would still win it.   There is not any of these horse in this years derby that is going to pass Missio Impazible in the stretch drive and you can take that to the bank.      

JOE 24 Apr 2010 8:37 AM

There is no other horse in this years derby that has the press /stalk/press/ stalk and then explodes at the end of a race.   This gas /brake/gas style of running is unreal so when they hit the one mile and one eighth pole of the derby who do you think is going to take off, there is only one horse.  JOE

JOE 24 Apr 2010 8:48 AM

MISSION IMPAZIBLE WINS KENTUCKY DERBY BY 10 LENGTHS.    JOE

JOE 24 Apr 2010 8:50 AM

TODD Pletcher has Eskendereya in the derby to insure a honest pace for Mission Impazible right up to the one mile and one eighth pole and then Eskendereya will fade off and end up around 7th while Mission Impazible wins by 10 lengths.  

JOE 24 Apr 2010 8:55 AM

Right Joe, sure.  YOU wanna be the one that tell's Esky's owner the colt is be used as a RABIT?  ROFL

PomDeTerre 24 Apr 2010 10:36 AM

This is scary because I agree with what Draynay has posted this time around. As far as your 10 tosses, I question tossing Ice Box. He did not close well in Fountain of Youth but the splits were slow in that race. Give him a faster pace and he circles the field in the Flordia Derby. The KD will certainly be a fast pace. Barring traffic problems I see him as very live and attractive odds.

OLD TIMER 24 Apr 2010 10:37 AM

There is the horse who has had two easy blowouts, (Esky)....the horse who has had no luck, (Lucky)...and the horse who has won twice, wire to wire, over the pro-ride, (Sydney)...these three have separated from the pack....and I know it's "BS" to try to predict the Derby---but this is horse racing, where everybody has an opinion, if you want automatic, go watch Lincicum pitch, or something--otherwise, you're gonna "haveta" read about "Mission Impazable by ten lengths" (JOE), or even "American Lion, outside post, three lengths off the pace, first run, makes the lead at head of stretch then calls on his inner Tiznow" (Me!)...

Matthew W 24 Apr 2010 10:47 AM

I like Elusive Pimpernel for the 2000 Guineas, if he's still going.

Citation 24 Apr 2010 10:55 AM

         D'Wayne is a great great trainer and I can not explain the Dublin project even after seeing him run at Saratoga on Sep. 7th 2009 in the Hopeful Stakes, that horse came flying.   In the 10th race at Churchill today D'Wayne and Terry Thompson are going to try to upset the field.    You know that saying that you can not out smart a fox.   D'Wayne is training a horse called Wow Wow Wow and this horse has a shot at a huge price.   Joe

JOE 24 Apr 2010 10:57 AM

gary at rough creek

   That was an excellent post. I always wondered the same thing-"what are they talking about?" Mine That Bird should be back too. Many others are ruined by a grueling Triple Crown run. He's an excellent horse. Look at reality, not the odds for a horse in one race. Those that degrade Mine That Bird are living in a fantasy world. How many other horses in history have run that well in 3 Triple Crown races? Not many.

Coldfacts

   Good post. I was wondering what happened to Flying Private. I really liked that horse. "Losing it" is a term many people use when they don't agree with someone. It's kind of like, "are you nuts?" Unless someone looks brilliant or terrible I'm not going to worry about these workouts or I'll end up with 15 horses on top. Keep giving us information. I like your posts. Your knowledge is a great addition to these blogs.

Dr Drunkinbum 24 Apr 2010 11:09 AM

With all of the Pletcher horses qualifying, does he stratigize, and enter them all, with the intent of scratching some of them, so that he has fewer horses to beat? That is within the rules--I'm just throwing that out there--

Matthew W 24 Apr 2010 11:20 AM

COLDFACTS

Question? Two horses,Flying Private and P. Wind what are they doing now? I've lost track of them.

Mike Relva 24 Apr 2010 11:37 AM

JOE

I wanna hear your "spin" when it doesn't happen. Ok?

Mike Relva 24 Apr 2010 11:38 AM

Coldfacts,

The Pope is human and infallible.  Papal infallibility is the dogma in Roman Catholic theology that, by action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error when he solemnly declares or promulgates to the universal Church a dogmatic teaching on faith or morals as being contained in divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation.  I am trying to reach him to get his pick for the Derby.  Will share with the blog if he gets back to me.

Ted from LA 24 Apr 2010 11:40 AM

Mission Impazible ?  The horse that couldn't beat Dublin.  Right. Good luck Joe you're going to need it.

draynay 24 Apr 2010 11:41 AM

Joe, you appear to really, really like Mission Impazible, don't you? I'll be here to congratulate you if he wins, but if he doesn't, at least he should have many more races for you to see him run in, and maybe win! He's not my Derby horse, but I love Unbridled's Song and any son of his is as good a Derby pick as any.

Citation 24 Apr 2010 11:47 AM

Slew: The Englishmen you mentioned was the track race caller. Durkin did the tv call.

Will W 24 Apr 2010 11:48 AM

They're back on the cushion/and dirt fill track , Hollywood to be exact, and I'm happy again! Have a nice day watching that very good NY sprinter in the Derby Trial--I'll be at Holly, in the lazy sun, watching some pretty good Cal Breds run--I like Rush With Thunder today, in the 9th...as well as Bud I Crushed It, in the 10th to crush them...another good Cal-bred, at the Gate, SF Mile, Red Sun, who'll have to track the freak Monteray Jazz...Hollywood Park, the track of the lakes and flowers, c'mon with that!---But it's always been the best surface, even when it was dirt, Hollywood Park has always been the track---I hope Joan Jett didn't wake up Zenyatta last night, during her free concert---and how's the weather at ChurCHILL??!!

Matthew W 24 Apr 2010 12:10 PM

Both Lukas horses who were in 2009 Triple Crown races are still running, where are all the rest of them? FP ran second to Total Bull by a half length in the Fifth Season stakes at OP and is on the comeback trail after a layoff.

Wayne believes that keeping the fields together for the TC races and giving the casual fans a rooting interest will help racing, but he‘s probably wrong about that too.

No way a guy training horses for decades could know more than the accountants, nurses, housewives etc on here.

My whole argument is, if he doesn't train YOUR horse then you really don't know anything other than your own speculation based on what you read and other than a betting interest, why do you care? Don’t like the horse, throw him out and be done with it.

Same with Todd. Unless you KNOW for a fact what is going on, all the rest is speculation and gossip.

In MY field, a careful choice of words is required. Saying someone is 'losing it' intimates that the person has diminishing mental faculties. FAR from the case here.  If he’s losing it per some of your interpretations? Well he’s already forgotten more than any of you ever knew to begin with and STILL knows more than all the ‘desktop trainers’ (don’t remember who wrote that, but perfect analogy) ever knew.

He trains as he's always trained, the comment that 100% of his horses have equipment that's not needed? Totally exaggerated.

I should follow his doctrine. He doesn't read what the press guys write during this time, I should stop reading all the 'expert' opinions on here.

I'm just going to enjoy opening day at CD and let you all resolve this yourselves, like it matters at all in reality

Tim G 24 Apr 2010 12:44 PM

Matthew W., I love American Lion too, when I was at the racetrack with my father one day, we picked American Lion to win in the race where he broke his maiden and we were awfully impressed with him. He was our early Derby pick, and we never gave up on him, even though we now think other horses are more probable for the win and I have two more horses I love in Sidney's Candy and Stately Victor. You are not alone in liking AL, don't worry.

Citation 24 Apr 2010 12:46 PM

Oh and MUCH worse than Wayne's training failures and foibles?

The Marquos Teague committment to UK over Rick P and UL. Wearing a Cardinal red shirt and putting on that UK hat. BLASPHEMY!!

Tim G 24 Apr 2010 12:52 PM

Don't expect anywhere near a Rachel performance in The Oaks. It's going to be a battle with quite a few fillies that can win. Even if Devil May Care is in The Oaks.

Derby- A lot will depend on the weather and post positions. Poor posts for favorites and off track will see big payouts. Good posts for favorites and dry track more likely to be a little chalky. But not too chalky !!!!!! More like a screech on the blackboard. Do your teeth hurt?

Dr Drunkinbum 24 Apr 2010 12:54 PM

The bloke was nearly flawless in his call. It's the bloody American that blew it in the 2009 Derby race call. How do you pronounce Eskendereya? I would assume that  the owner would know. Many names are pronounced differently than the language preference. I am assuming that Justin Zayat knows, and he said-Es-KEN-der-eya. He said the FOY pronunciation was correct. The weather report changed again. Start looking for who's mudder was a mudder. Jason's article said who do you throw out for the WIN, not 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th. Danny is spot on about Awesome Act. No chance in bloody ell for THE WIN. I'm not talking about cracking the exotics. UNLESS it's an OFFTRACK. Then I give him a shot at 50-1. Dry track- No shot. Off track-A shot.

Dr Drunkinbum 24 Apr 2010 1:13 PM

Warning: This post has no bearing on the topic.

That said, I just heard Hal Wiggins son Ron say that he saw Rachel, she looks great, and "I think they're pretty excited about Friday."

Is Rachel indeed going to run on Oaks day?  Anyone hear anything?

Runfast159 24 Apr 2010 1:13 PM

And then do we dare say there could be a possible Zenyatta/Rachel meeting in the Stephan Foster???  

Runfast159 24 Apr 2010 1:17 PM

I heard Dublin was quite...um...agressive out on the track this morning. Hopefully that translates over to race day because I am loyal to my horses and have liked him since last year.  Still wading through the rest, but I'd love him to throw in a good one :)

Aspercel 24 Apr 2010 1:52 PM

My horse is Stately Victor.  I'm playing him across the board and in my exotics.  I'm not keying him, tho, I'm boxing everything this year.

I like his breeding, trainer and derby jockey.  His first two races were good, then he had a series of bad races on all surfaces, then he looked good again in the Blue Grass.  With a record like that - all his bad races clumped together - it could be there was something wrong with him for that period of time.  Plus Steve Haskin said he came out of one of his bad races very sick, which again indicates there may have been some temporary problem with him.

In any case we'll know next Saturday if his Blue Grass was a fluke.  Good luck to all.

Colleen 24 Apr 2010 1:52 PM

Durkin's race call, it's like "Pioneerof The Nile in front".., whom I played and can see is already five or six lengths behind--and I'm thinking is he just in total denial or did he not see him?...My guess is he did not believe his eyes...and, yes, those lads can really call a race! We got the bestest laddy on th'planet, the Minnesota Kid, or wherever Trevor lives these days--Trevor Denham can call hermit crabs, and make it sound like a graded stakes race!

Matthew W 24 Apr 2010 2:12 PM

GET RID OF ESKENDEREYA WHILE YOU STILL CAN!

Ben Garner 24 Apr 2010 2:38 PM

Jason

Great read, Caught up with Nick Zito and he talked about Ice Box and Jackson Bend. Didnt get to catch works live today, had my own breeze the Louisville marathon this morning but did watch everything train yesterday. Dublin looked a little choppy yesterday but thought Super Saver and Esky looked good galloping. Paddy was impressive, Dales wife Tammy worked him and he bounced around there.

marktoothaker 24 Apr 2010 5:27 PM

Jsson sorry forgot link to video.

http://www.thederbydream.com/

marktoothaker 24 Apr 2010 5:28 PM

"Dublin attempted to bolt on two separate occasions between the three and a half and three-furlong poles during a routine gallop, finally ducking out so sharply he actually bounced off the outside fence. Fortunately, he was ultimately able to regroup and complete a very eventful training session. Has not looked sharp since returning to the track following a five furlong workout here earlier in the week."

It's called the Draynay curse folks.

mr pibb 24 Apr 2010 6:22 PM

time to play...Pletcher horse ready to fire? maybe but not too crazy of his chances, want to get rid of the monkey on his back..the more preasure he's in to win but less chances he might get.. lesson is find value to play, Lukas still lookin to get back to glory days..another one that has preasure on, chances are slim but might get a share... horse that win a couple time before the KY Derby could peak to soon, lookin for horse that in the mix but not push hard enough to save some gas to the big dance.. toss out speedster find the presser and closer..  

So Cal Racer 24 Apr 2010 7:08 PM

Danny;

Thanks a lot for the information! I've always enjoyed European races and thought I might try and follow them a bit more closely this year.

Jason;

Who was your pick for the Derby Trial? I picked Hurricane Ike to win and was quite pleased when he did. My other picks for the day were Afleet Again in the Withers, Roman Tiger in the Island Whirl Florida Thoroughbred Charities Stakes, and La Nez in the Melair Stakes. Unfortunately, La Nez was upset, but I still can't get over Afleet Again. Just thought I would share the excitement!

 

-Keelerman 24 Apr 2010 7:44 PM

Speaking of eliminating horses, if you want to relive last year's Derby shock, Mine That Bird has a web page and web cam:

minethatbirdblog.blogspot.com/.../mine-that-bird-web-cam-goes-live.html

There's a picture of the KD Museum, where they have the toteboard finish order and payoff, reminding me that the MTB, PON exacta, 8/16 is my birthday, and since I'm not that kind of numbers player, I missed out.  In most fields, there's not a #16 available.

Aluminaut 24 Apr 2010 7:54 PM

Anybody who doesn't bet their birthday every big race is too smart for their own good.

Ted from LA 24 Apr 2010 8:18 PM

Just an FYI- Durkin appeared on a locally produced TV show (near Saratoga) on OTB Channel right after last year's Derby and stated the stretch call was one of his worst race calls ever in his career.  He admitted that he never- like most of us- saw MTB coming,and when he finally did, he wasn't sure who the colt was.  Nobody's perfect.

PomDeTerre 24 Apr 2010 9:23 PM

Jason:

If Churchill's track come's up muddy or sloppy like it was today, there might be some fairly decent odd's on the winning horse again this year.

tcc 24 Apr 2010 9:36 PM

What's going on with Eightyfiveinafifty? At one point in the Derby Trial, his jockey was pulling the left rein out at a 90-degree angle to the horse's head, trying to keep him in the lane.

What makes a horse keep going out like that?

CV 24 Apr 2010 10:42 PM

So if Pletcher decides to enter DMC in both the Oaks and the Derby, then decide which one she goes in based on post position draw; does that mean if she doesn't go in the Derby, then we will have only 19 in the race? I'm guessing that you cannot draw into the Derby.

predict 24 Apr 2010 11:29 PM

According to Joe about Mission Impazible" "There is no other horse in this years derby that has the press /stalk/press/ stalk and then explodes at the end of a race."  

Guess you missed the Blue Grass, Joe, and a horse called Stately Vicor.  You must have also missed the Sunland..remember Endorsement?

Danny: I like Elusive Pimpernel.  Last year I watched all of Sea The Stars' races in utter amazement at his style.  This year, one American horse might have the same style, but he's not in the Derby. Take Control.

CV: apparently 85ina50 remains immature as yet...and doesn't seem to like the distance.  He's a fast one turn sprinter....I think he just wants to run..but not race.  As much as I like him, I'm relieved he won't be in the Derby.  With a 20 horse field..he could have wreaked havoc. The best horse of the day...Afleet Again in the Withers.  The Withers made me appreciate LAL more.  LAL came back after being cut off at the rail.  Neither Buddy's Saint nor D'Funnybone could...they really lost heart once that happened.

Slew 25 Apr 2010 7:18 AM

I was at Hollywood Park for the Cal-bred Gold Rush.  There is no question Hollywood's Cushion Track is the synthetic that plays most like dirt; horses were going wire to wire without problem, there were actually some quick early splits, and horses were far more spread out at the finish.

Feature Race

Snow Chief(9 furlong)-Alphie's Bet: It was good to see Alphie bounce back from his Santa Anita Derby fizzle and score a nice paycheck($120k for 1st).  However, I was not particularly impressed.  Alphie absolutely towered over the field in terms of class and his late run was flattered by a first half in :46 and 2, yet he only won by just over 2 lengths(over the pacesetter, a horse making its stakes debut) and took :13 and 2 to complete the final eighth.  In fact, the closing fractions of the Snow Chief were quite slow, with the fourth quarter being run in :26 and 1, which, with the :13 and 2 final eighth, produced a final 3/8ths in a glacial :39 and 3.  Alphie's final time of 1:51 was just on par with the 1:44 and 2 time Camille C put up in the 8.5 furlong Melair for Cal-bred 3 year old fillies, and it goes without saying Camille C is not Eskendereya, Sidney's Candy or even Blind Luck.

In my opinion, the Snow Chief verified what the Santa Derby exposed, that Alphie's Bet is a level or two below the elite 3 year olds.  Prior to the Snow Chief, much was made of Alphie's wide trip to explain his 8+ length defeat in the SA Derby.  However, Alphie had a similar trip when he won the Sham.  Wide trip of not, the simple fact is that Alphie was meeting much tougher in the SA Derby than in the Sham, and he was not up to the task.  Lookin at Lucky and Caracortado, who had much worse trips in the SA Derby, still finished ahead of Alphie.  And while Alphie didn't move forward off his Sham, the runner-up from that race, Setsuko, improved about 6 lengths, although it probably would have been good for only 4th had Lucky and Caracortado not had trouble(and Setsuko's "tragic" exclusion from the Derby would have been a non-issue).

What concerns me is that Alphie's owners and trainer Alexis Barba apparently are still committed to their plan of proceeding on to the Belmont. I really think had a top Triple Crown prospect been in the Snow Chief field, it would have run by outclassed pacesetter and eventual runner-up, Working Capital, in a flash and won by 10.  Alphie didn't do that.  Instead, it took Alphie most of the stretch to deliver a knockoout blow, and the appearance of drawing away at the wire was mainly a product of the other horses tiring badly in the stretch.

As Mike Smith said after the race, Alphie is a big son of a gun with some talent, and he could be a really good horse...some day.  He's not a really good horse now, however.  My concern is that if he is pushed into the Belmont, he might never get the chance to develop into his potential.  How many good prospects are sacrificied on the altar of the Triple Crown each year?

Best Performance

Tiznow Stakes-Fantasy Free/Bestdressed:

Fantasy Free, a heavily raced 5 year old(41 starts), completed his ascent from the $25k optional claiming ranks, through the $40k ranks, and into stakes with a solid half-length score.  A horse that had been running strong mid-90 Beyers at Santa Anita, Fantasy Free completed the 7.5 furlongs of the Tiznow in a sharp 1:28 and 3, with legit fractional times of :23, :46, 1:10, and 1:22 and 2.  These times compare favorably with the 1:30 and 4 time UR All That I Am put up winning the $150k B.Thoughtful, and the 1:23 and 1 time for 7 furlongs in the $70k Warren's Thoroughbreds.

I include Bestdressed because while Fantasy Free received a rail-skimming, ground-saving ride from Omar Berrio, Bestdressed was swung wide coming into the stretch from last, and was still last with an eighth to go before rallying furiously into strong closing fractions to just miss by a half.  An earner of $400k, Bestdressed should be a threat in Hollywood's graded sprint stakes.

The 2nd fastest of the 8 stakes was the $70k Grey Memo, which 5 year old Uncle Don won in 1:22 and 2.  Uncle Don had been sidelined for 26 months before returning at Santa Anita this past January.  After 2 close 2nds in maiden claimers, he cruised in his 3rd maiden claimer and then won a starter allowance with ease.  Uncle Don has alot of speed, and while he is probably not graded stakes caliber, he could do some damage in starter allowances and small Cal-bred stakes.

UR All That I Am won the B. Thoughtful as a very short price.  While she didn't win by much and didn't run a fast time, UR proved that she is still in top form, and is at the peak of a career that shows 7 wins in 14 starts.

Although La Nez was the heavy favorite in the $150k Melair of 3 year old fillies, Camille C came in equally classy and had the superior speed.  Camille C had settled for 2nd and 4th behind the impressive City to City in two turf stakes at Santa Anita(including a gr.2), and simply dominated the Melair with her speed.  A wondeful looking, atheletic filly, Camille C is just starting to get good and has a bright future atop the Cal-bred distaff ranks and even in graded stakes.

GunBow 25 Apr 2010 7:31 AM

As for the stakes away from Hollywood:

Most Impressive:

Derby Trial-Hurricane Ike:

The Derby Trial was supposed to produce a Triple Contender, and it looks like it did, although not the one expected.  Hurricane Ike received a patented Bo"rail" ride to win the Derby Trial with relative ease.  After making his first 6 starts on synthetic, including a 3rd March 11th at Santa Anita in his 2010 debut, Ike had run well to be 2nd to 85ina50 in the Bay Shore, but proved much better stretching out than that rival.  Ike could have won by a much larger margin had he not been eased, and it would appear that 9 furlongs, at the least, should be within in his range.  John Sadler is firing bullets!

Gary Contessa wanted to know what he had with 85ina50.  Well Gary, you have a sprinter.  Did his connections really think he could get 10 furlongs?  Derby Fever is some kind of powerful!  We'll be reminded of its power next weekend when about half the field turns in non-performances in the Derby(I only wish I knew which ones).

Withers-Afleet Again:

In another "He's just a sprinter" file, we had D'Funnybone running 4th as a huge favorite in the Withers.  Hopefully, this ends all the D'Funnybone to the Preakness talk. The Withers seemed to support my belief that D'Funnybone's last place finish in the BC Juvenile was more the result of distance and not surface(synthetic).

As for Withers winner Afleet Again, he's not Triple Crown nominated and the closing fractions of the Withers were extremely slow.

Most Inspirational Performance

Gr.2 San Fran Mile-Bold Chieftain:

The Bold Chieftain story is one of the best out there.  A 7 year old horse, Bold Chieftain had already won over $1.4 million going into the gr.2 San Fran Mile.  Earlier this year, Bold Chieftain had teamed up with veteran jockey, Russell Baze, and veteran trainer, Bill Morey, to score his richest win in the $500k Sunshine Millions Classic.  Prior to Saturday, Bold Chieftain had won $670k on synthetic, $500k on turf, and $260k on dirt and had won a total of 12 stakes races(winning a stakes on each surface).

However, Bold Chieftain had never won a graded stakes race, something Bill Morey was desperate to change.  In a performance that almost had Morey in tears, Bold Chieftain was just able to overtake the speedy Monterey Jazz in the closing strides to capture the gr.2 San Fran Mile.

Although already very accomplished, the San Fran Mile provided further proof that Bold Chieftain might be in the best form of his career.  Bold Chieftain has now won 6 of his last 7 races, 4 on synthetic, one on dirt, and now one on turf.  While Morey primarily wanted to get the graded stakes win in order to enhance Bold Chieftain's stud value, the victory will likely have him dreaming of even bigger accomplishments.

Gr.3 Texas Mile:

I no longer find the need to make a fuss about a horse going from synthetic to dirt.  Mythical Power had done it last year for Bob Baffert, breaking his maiden on Santa Anita's Pro-Ride before running 2nd in the Sunland Derby and winning the Lone Star Derby.  After some time off following the Lone Star Derby, Baffert brought Mythical Plan back to Santa Anita and had him ready at the beginning of the meet.  Although Baffert touted him heavily, Mythical Plan ran poorly in the gr.1 Malibu and then was only marginally better when 5th in the gr.2 San Fernando.

I had seen Mythical Plan in both of those races, and had been very impressed with his pre-race appearance; he's a well balanced, strong, atheletic type who looked to be sitting on strong races.  His performances belied this appearance.  

Fortunately, Baffert concluded that Mythical Plan simply does not run as well on synthetic as he does on dirt, and he brought him back to the scene of his biggest triumph.  Mystical Plan responded by wearing down a game Euroears to take the gr.3 Texas Mile.  By the brilliant Congaree, Mythical Plan should be tough right back in the Lone Star Cap'.

GunBow 25 Apr 2010 8:26 AM

Danny- any news on where Passion for Gold's next race is?  I liked his 10 furlong win to close out his 2 yr old season.  St Nicholas Abbey was such a wonderful horse at 2.  I hope he runs well throughout the year

Footlick 25 Apr 2010 9:05 AM

eskendereya out of the derby

box it up 25 Apr 2010 9:12 AM

Eskendereya is out of the Derby

papillon 25 Apr 2010 9:29 AM

Whole new ballgame.. Esky OUT.

UGH

Big Louie 25 Apr 2010 9:41 AM

Eskendereya, favored for the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I), was scratched out of the May 1 classic on the morning of April 25 due to slight filling in his left front leg.

A whole new ball game now!

PomDeTerre 25 Apr 2010 9:50 AM

Eskendereya Scratched Out of Derby

Updated: Sunday, April 25, 2010 9:47 AM

Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 9:36 AM

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Eskendereya, favored for the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I), was scratched out of the May 1 classic on the morning of April 25 due to slight filling in a leg.

Trainer Todd Pletcher announced that the 3-year-old son of Giant's Causeway   is not lame and that the exact nature of the injury is not known. He said additional diagnostic testing will shed light on the injury.

Pletcher said the colt’s last several exercise gallops were not consistent with previous form, but that he attributed it to the sloppy nature of the Churchill Downs track.

Owned by Ahmed Zayat’s Zayat Stables, Eskendereya was coming into the Derby off impressive victories in the Fasig-Tipton Fountain of Youth (gr. II) and Wood Memorial (gr. I). The colt has won four of six starts with one second and earnings of $725,700.

This is the second year in a row that the probable Derby favorite has been scratched prior to the race. Last year, morning line favorite I Want Revenge was scratched on the morning of the race.

PomDeTerre 25 Apr 2010 9:54 AM

     A shame to read about Eskendereya being scratched out of the Derby, Hope he comes back in top form down the road, A shame!  Obviously this opens the door for Devil May Care and Johnny V. to ride her, Should be exciting, She should be a top three favorite in the odds?  I forget, Was Jackson Bend or Backtalk next in line at 21 on the graded earning's list?  Either way, I expect BOTH to get in, and they will be on a majority of my tickets!  Also, I was dead wrong on Rachel going in the Alysheba!!!  Sorry, But, I Can't wait to see her go in the La Troienne!  Should be a great race and hope Rachel is back in top form and wires the field so we have a better chance at seeing her go against Zenyatta...

My two top picks now, Mission Impazible and Lookin at Lucky...

Greg J. 25 Apr 2010 9:57 AM

In the case of Homeboykris....if he hasn't been a factor in races more than a mile, and the trainer has little confidence in his chances, WHY ENTER AT ALL?!?  Just to keep someone else out?  I think this whole "graded earnings" stipulation needs to go away, and we need to find a better way of determining who gets in the gate on Derby day!

Swale1984 25 Apr 2010 9:58 AM

Eskendereya is out and now the morning line on Mission Impazible is going down as I punch the keys on the key board.   Tood will be talking big time this week about Mission Impazible just wait and see.   There is no other horse in the derby for this year that has the late kick except for Mission Impazible.    

JOE 25 Apr 2010 10:36 AM

Eskendereya sctatched!  LOL

wang 25 Apr 2010 10:39 AM

Esky out of Derby.  Someone had previously posted a concern about health issues with him.  Will Pletcher now enter two more of his that are on the fence just to keep others out?  I think he`ll cross-enter the filly and then run her in the Oaks.  That`ll keep either Jackson Bend or Backtalk out of the race and give us a 19 horse field.

RiverCitySmitty 25 Apr 2010 10:43 AM

Rajiv will be sitting on the rail between 1st and  5th high on the horse and using very little energy right until the one mile and one eighth pole and then he will pull out in lane two and he is gone.   Rajiv and Todd know that this is the running style of Mission Impazible and they and the owners of that horse want to see what the horse really has left when the button is pushed.   There is no way in the world that Calvin Borel will even see the rail because the other jockeys are just not going to let him down to the rail.   Lookin at Lucky will be 10 lengths behind Mission Impazible for second and Awesome act for third and for fourth who cares.    JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 10:47 AM

Wang,

   You are an idiot for laughing at Eskendereya being scratched due to an injury, Idiot...

Greg J. 25 Apr 2010 10:53 AM

Eskendereya out and odds on Mission Impazible are going down as I am talking.  How can a horse go from 30/1 to 10/1 over night a week before the derby.    Now the big news will be focused on Mission Impazible starting Sunday 4/25/10 now that Todds big fav. is out.   JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 10:56 AM

I mailed Rajiv a cd of Led ZEP. and circled the one song that he should listen to [Thats The Way]  because he is going to be flying home in the stretch.   JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 11:01 AM

Joe,

    I have been biting my tongue on your continued posting's about Mission Impazible, But, I gave in, lol.  Please, One needs to be realistic here, While I love Mission Impazible's chances, The Derby is the most un-predictable race in the world, We all know you think he is going to win by ten lengths and they shouldn't even run the race and just give him the trophy, But, Keep it real, That is all I ask...

FYI, I liked this colt from day one, But, You don't see me gushing about him in every post because I know what the Derby is capable of, Here is my post to Jason almost one year ago to the Day(May 1, 2009) regarding Mission Impazible:

Jason,

   "...And, Off subject, Did you see Mission Impazible(Good write up on JUVENILE, by the way), Bad start, then great speed to catch up, then all over the place down stretch, and still got third!, He will be one heck of a three year old...."

Greg J. 01 May 2009 9:01 AM

So Joe, Just keep it real, Love your passion for M.I., But tone it down a little so we can get better odds :)

Greg J. 25 Apr 2010 11:06 AM

My guess is he enters the filly for real.  But I think this really opens the chances for Endorse and Awesome; in fact, I think it opens possibilities for Line of David.

For those of u so quick to jump to "abuse" conclusions, would you rather he run the colt and have a breakdown.  Too quick to judge.  ALL we do know is that Pletcher is dong what's BEST for the horse, and thats ALL that matters.

PomDeTerre 25 Apr 2010 11:13 AM

with ESKY out Devil May Care will get in. you'll probably see him in the belmont or preakness. makes it easier  for frontrunners.

thomas 25 Apr 2010 11:21 AM

"For the record I will be there to watch him run and I expect to blow this field away with ease.  Is it hard to believe speed will hold at the parking lot called Churchill ? 85ina50 wire to wire baby !!!"

draynay 23 Apr 2010 7:27 AM

The Draynay Curse lives on!!!!

How about that workout this morning for Dublin?  1:02 4/5? gallop out in 1:17?.... hmmm I seem to remember a post not too long ago...

"Tim maybe you and jayjay need to look up works before the Derby by Street Sense, Big Brown and Barbaro. Too fast....funny.  You won't find recent winners working out in 102 and change that's for sure."

draynay 19 Apr 2010 7:51 PM

Or maybe it was this one:

" If works mean nothing step up and bet your money but 102+ are you kidding me ?  Sorry that is not the workout of a Derby winner."

draynay 17 Apr 2010 9:27 PM

Will you finally live up to your babble and drop Dublin?  Probably not, as you will find a way to tapdance around it.  For your information, I have already posted my distrust in Dublin before the work, and frankly workouts don't mean a great deal to me anyway.  But you being the Great Horse Racing Mind that you claim to be, have efficiently put the curse on NP in the Ark. Derby, 85ina50 in the Derby Trial, who else needs to fall victim to you before you realize that your handicapping prowess, isn't what you seem to think it is?

TJ...out!

TJLuvsTizs 25 Apr 2010 11:27 AM

What a dissapointment.  Felt so good about my future wagers, but better safe than sorry, that is horse racing, things can happen.  

Gun Bow, will you give me some advice on the Derby, first time I am going would like the do's and dont's.

The Derby is now turning into a big W-9 signer.  Wide open...May I be lucky enough to get a sniff.  

Antman 25 Apr 2010 11:30 AM

This sucks. Pletcher just can't catch a break when it comes to the Derby. Back to the drawing board....

Looking at Lucky will probably be the highest priced favorite in the Derby. I'd say about 5 or 6-1. I think Sweetnorthernsaint was just as high back in 06'.

Besides Lookin' at Lucky, this is a pretty wide open group of 3 year olds contending for the Derby. Eskendereya just stood out as much to me as Big Brown, Barbaro & Fusaichi Pegasus did in the past decade. To me personally, it takes the punch out of the Derby a bit without Eskendereya in there. As a handicapper/gambler, there's a whole lot of cash up for grabs May 1st if you're right.

The Rock 25 Apr 2010 11:39 AM

On that note, I don't see why some fillies don't enter in to the Derby with Eskendereya's defection. It just blows the race wide wide open, and in my opinion, these ladies aren't that far off of the boys on talent and ability.

The Rock 25 Apr 2010 11:41 AM

Pletcher just was on the Stein Show, he likes Mission Impazible and the filly, and was not all that gung ho about the rest of his guys--talk about an odds changer! There go the boxcars! Front wraps for thne Wood, and not many were talking about that, but where there's smoke there's fire! Sadler threw care to the wind--he stayed on schedule, worked Sydney a hard 5/8 and it's all systems go! It looks like a Cali Derby this year, as the two favorites are from SoCal! Both of them are for real....

Matthew W 25 Apr 2010 11:42 AM

Rivercity

I warned everyone about that ankle last week but was told by all of the know it all bloggers to stop speculating I also told all of you ray was running oaks day 2-2 for the empire and it was the fully race she was in maybe now tim g will stop questioning what I write

billy empireww 25 Apr 2010 11:43 AM

Joe

  What do you mean-"for fourth who cares."  Don't you want to hit a 50k superfecta? I don't know about that winning by ten lengths business but Mission Impazible is definitely a candidate for a top 4 finish, and is possible for the win. This race is wide open. Who's going to show up with their best performance to date on Saturday. Don't leave Borel out of your trifecta, and do at least one bet boxing Mission. Don't put all of your eggs in one basket despite your exhuberant confidence. My only problem is that the LA Derby was a weak race, but Mission is an improving horse and could peak Derby Day. I think Rajiv is an excellent jockey. A possible future star. I've loved Mission Impazible's pedigree for awhile for The Derby. No Triple Crown this year. Setsuko or Afleet Again is winning The Belmont. We could even have a good exacta payoff this year in The Derby afterall. There are going to be some very strong top two finish candidates this year at high odds. The odds are going to be very interesting ML. I hope ML line maker is smart enough this year to have a 10-1, 12-1, and 15-1, and not just jump up to 20-1 from 6-1 or 8-1 because his brain is already tired. I see 5-1 on LAL as the ML favorite.

Dr Drunkinbum 25 Apr 2010 11:50 AM

Esky being out did not surprise me after that slow 102 workout.  Two weeks from the Derby you just don't put in a work like that.  This horse has not been 100% for a while and the minute Mr. Pletcher talked about Devil going you knew things did not look good for Esky.  What has STILL not changed is the 2  best horses are still Lookin At Lucky and Nobles Promise.  Remember Looking At Lucky barely got to Noble last time don't expect him to get so LUCKY the first day of May.

draynay 25 Apr 2010 12:19 PM

Todd Pletcher, with a hacking cough, was on the (long winded) Roger Stein Show for twenty minutes this AM...class act! Total class act!...VERY candid about his remaining horses, not the usual rosey pictures of each and every horse's chances to win the Derby--I appreciate his candor! It would be a nice story if he were to get his first Derby Winner anyway!

Matthew W 25 Apr 2010 12:20 PM

Greg J.

Horse's next in line just under the top 20 in graded earning's.

21 Jackson Bend $230,000

22 Backtalk $225,916

23 Make Music for Me $218,750

24 Pleasant Prince $189,278

25 A Little Warm $180,000

25 Setsuko $180,000

27 Caracortado $153,000

tcc 25 Apr 2010 12:24 PM

"It’s just like there’s never an ugly bride on a wedding day, there are never any bad works during Derby week."

Great quote from D. Wayne.

Ted from LA 25 Apr 2010 12:41 PM

Poor Eskendereya.

I feel so sorry for Todd Pletcher. He's got other horses, but I'm sure that he feels just terrible. I was hoping that this would be his year.

And to everybody who had picked this colt to win, I'm terribly sorry.

-Keelerman : (

-Keelerman 25 Apr 2010 12:50 PM

Sorry to see Esky out even though I didn't like owner or trainer.  Certainly the Derby is less interesting now.  Hope the horse gets better and returns but fear he will be shuttled off to stud duty without ever racing again.

2:24 25 Apr 2010 12:53 PM

Joe,

Pletcher's chance of winning the Derby is an Impossible Mission. I got it after your first 10 posts, you love this horse for some reason. With this not so surprising scratch, I believe Endorsement and Sidneys Candy will become even more dangerous stalkers!

Can we now eliminate Eskendereya, 85ina50, Pleasnat Prince, Aikenite, D'Funnybone, and Game On Dude from any triple crown talk?

Ranagulzion,

Where are you now? Do you remember just after the Wood Memorial when I wrote about the front bandages on Eskendereya? I was 10' away from him and he looked a little bit fat and average to me. When I noticed the bandages I turned away and began to focus my attention soley on Awesome Act. Don't cry to much over your boyfriend Todd's recent troubles. But lety me take a guess, you still think he is going to dominate the KY Derby, what a joke.

Forbidden Apple 25 Apr 2010 1:13 PM

Dublin should be taken out of the derby and tried on the turf for three races and then see what the story is all about.  Please get a jockey that can ride him.   Dublin is acting like a crazy horse right now and no body seems to have the the answer why/why/why.   JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 1:47 PM

Slew,

You mean to tell me that Stately V. and Endorsement run like Mission Impazible does , you might want to watch the way they run again because you just are not seeing it.   Mission Impazible is Todds main horse as of April 25th 2010 to win the derby and the triple crown.  You can now bet that the odds on Mission Impazible are going down, down , and down and that will be a shame.   JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 1:55 PM

All along it really did not matter if Eskendereya was in or out , he was just not going to win at a mile and a quarter.   Maybe the owner and trainer will boot the new jockey off of Line of David so John V. CAN RIDE HIM HA HA HA HA.   JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 2:02 PM

       " Joe " You said there was no other horse besides Mission Impazible with a "late kick " Well what do you call Ice Box's running style ? He will definately be in my top three ! Too bad about " Esky "

Pedigree Shelly 25 Apr 2010 2:21 PM

Something of a shock having Esky out. Wonder what that "filling' is all about? Sounds like this has been developing and didn't just happen. If aynone who knows horses can shed some light on what causes "filling"/edema, I would appreciate it.

O.k. new list:

Sidney's Candy

Lookin at Lucky

and for third selection, I have not a clue in the world. Maybe Ice Box, Mission Impazzible or Jackson Bend if he gets in.

In short anyone can win this. Tim G, I laughed my head off at the weather forecasting story. Boy, is that the truth.

I will never second guess the trainers Tim G, I am always in their corner and never question their decisions. My posts always reflect that position. They know what they are doing and I don't, as Ted from LA so elegantly put it.

Paula Higgins 25 Apr 2010 2:29 PM

Coldfacts, are you trying to say the greatest trainer ever in the game is losing it? You put blinkers on for a reason, you don't take them off for a reason. And look at the Hopeful, who else has come out of that race to do anything? Coldfacts  you might be associated with Thoroughbreds and their conditioning through blogs on Bloodhorse but I can assure you that your not very affluent with anything else in the thoroughbred world.

Okie 25 Apr 2010 2:59 PM

TJ your a funny guy ! Derby winners do not work a 102+ 2 weeks before the Derby.  It was clear to me and those in the know something was wrong with the horse.  Dublin working in the Mud a week before the Derby shouldn't be running bullets.  I guess your new at this so I will take it easy on you.  Next time check the track conditions before you talk trash about Dublin.  You and many like you want to trash Dublin yet talk about Jackson Bend like he is the second coming.  To you and everyone out there STOP with the Jackson Bend talk he is a sprinter from Calder!  Wake up.  The Derby is between LAL and Noble and always has been.

draynay 25 Apr 2010 3:02 PM

with eskendereya out,that opens the field up for the chances of a huge pay out on an exacta there are two or three horses that could pull the up set.stately victory,endorsement,and mission impazilbe i will use them in a box with sidney's candy,ice box,and awesome act.jacksons bend is due.  i will use him in a couple of exotic picks. good luck

BILL C 25 Apr 2010 3:03 PM

Greg J,

   Thank you but the odds are going to fall because they have to fall with Eskendereya now out.   Lookin at Lucky will most likely be the post time fav. as of now and it stays the same up to post time.   JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 3:18 PM

okay, i am confused.  i keep hearing people call Lookin' at Lucky,  "the champ"

the champion of what exactly?  did i miss something?  he definitely

was not the champ at the Breeders

Cup..  come to think of it,  he sure ain't the champ at Santa Anita.

hmmm..  maybe he has some championship speed figures?  well..

sorry, wrong again, pretty pedestrian speed figures?  maybe

that makes you "the champ" if you

can edge out Noble's Promise a

coupla times..if that's the case

there were a bunch of champs in the

Arkansas Derby.

face it, Looking at Lucky was a really good two year old who simply has not gotten any better

as a three year old. peaked at about two and a half.

so, straighten me out,please.

the champ of what exactly?

s

dubai dave 25 Apr 2010 3:24 PM

Pedigree Shelly,

    Please let me clarify myself and the late kick.  Mission Impazible is a horse that likes to get out like Line of David and S.Candy but will also let up then come on again then let up and then come on again and that is a presser and a stalker and then the late kick.   No other horse has that type of running style.  It is like the horse is running the race by himself.   JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 3:27 PM

The big question is right now is what horse John V. going to ride because now he is just looking for a ride and a horse that did not have a chance now has a chance at getting a world class jockey on board.   Long shot owners best be thinking what is good for them at this piont.  JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 3:33 PM

      Paula, From the information I found in the Vet. Encyclopedia,It sounds like it could be caused from electrolyte imbalance.I hope this may help answer your question ,cause I'm curious about this too !

Pedigree Shelly 25 Apr 2010 3:33 PM

A few mention's about some the workout's and galloping today.

Dublin (five furlongs in 1:02.88): After creating a bit of a stir here Sunday morning, when he attempted to bolt on a couple of occasions on the far turn during a routine gallop, Dublin returned before dawn for his final Derby prep, which came in company with stablemate Luv Guv.

With jockey Terry Thompson aboard, Dublin broke off about three lengths behind his partner but quickly narrowed the gap while in hand through an opening eighth and quarter-mile of 12.42 and 24.50 seconds. But it became apparent that Thompson had his hands full with Dublin leaving the three-eighths pole as he attempted to bear out around the final bend. The little wrestling match slowed Dublin to a 37.56 three-eighths split, after which he leveled off a bit better once finally straightening away for the run down the stretch. With a little tap of encouragement, Dublin gradually began to pull clear of his mate and probably did his best running through the final sixteenth of a mile, although for the second time in less than a week, his gallop out was nonexistent(six furlongs in 1:18.22).

The sudden propensity to drift out around the turn and the failure to gallop out with any serious energy cannot be taken as positive signs less than one week out from the big event.

Make Music For Me (five furlongs in 1:02.40): Probably an insignificant workout for the Derby since he's buried pretty far down the graded earnings list; there was not much to like about this move regardless of his starting status. He completed his final quarter in a lackluster 25.73 and like Dublin didn't gallop out very well, pulling up six furlongs in 1:17.79

Backtalk (five furlongs in 1:01.60 at Keeneland, according to track clockers): He shipped to Keeneland, where he breezed five furlongs in company with stablemate Sangre Frio. It's starting to look like Backtalk might qualify for the Derby lineup following Escandereya's defection Sunday.

Several Derby contenders slated to work Monday were impressive galloping over the drying out surface on Sunday morning, including Looking At Lucky, American Lion, and Line of David, who changed leads on cue through the stretch after failing to do so over the wet track the previous day.

I'm becoming a little concerned by the recent lack of activity from Endorsement, who did not come to the track to train Sunday after jogging each of the two previous mornings.

Jackson Bend was the only Derby horse to train before the renovation break. He tossed his head several times and appeared to want to drift just a bit while galloping to the inside of his unidentified stablemate.

tcc 25 Apr 2010 3:35 PM

So sad about Eskendereya...and now we will always wonder "what if?" as we have had to do with so many others of great promise.

GUNBOW ----

I hoped you were at Hollywood yesterday and could tell me what happened with Witchy Meeting..?  I read that David Flores was not injured and in fact rode in the next race.  Such a dangerous situation and lucky for all that it was a very small field; nevertheless, she sure seemed to want that race! How did they finally get her off the track?   Did the outriders finally catch up with her after she drifted out and away from the others?

sherpa 25 Apr 2010 3:49 PM

Obviously disappointing news that Esky will be withdrawn.  I wasn't as high on him as others were, but I recognized the potential and had no doubt that he would be favored.

It really does make you wonder about the bandages in the Wood, the inability of Zayat to sell him even though he had expressed interest in doing so, and the postponing of his final work.  I have trouble believing Pletcher woke up today and just "discovered" something wrong; I think something had been off for a while and Pletcher had been suspicious, although nothing clear had yet shown up.

As others have said, Esky's defection opens this race up.  I thought that between Esky, Lookin at Lucky, and Sidney's Candy, one of the 3 was going to run big and win.  Without Esky it really is like losing Quality Road at the same point last year; while I liked I Want Revenge last year and Lucky and Sidney this year, I am not 100%.  And should Lucky and Sidney not fire their best or prove not to be good enough, I can see a bunch of horses running well.

I think Jason was steering us on the right path in trying to eliminate horses.  That's usually how I start handicapping the Derby.  Of course, eliminating horses can bite you in the backside as it did me last year with Mine That Bird.  On about a dozen of the key variables, Mine That Bird was the FIRST TOSS!

GunBow 25 Apr 2010 4:01 PM

Forbidden Apple,

        That is not nice and I did not say dominate only first and second and maybe third.   Wet or Dry running styles are so important anytime a horse can run in slop or on a nice day and had a month of rest.  In the post parade on derby day you look for Rajiv to gives the thumbs up sign and then you just sit back and watch.      JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 4:04 PM

Champion 2YO. Try to keep up Dave.

Jason Shandler 25 Apr 2010 4:11 PM

Incredible news! I know someone that backed Eskendereya for several hundred pounds, all the way from 6/1 down to 7/4, and he's lost his dough before the race has even started. My 25s on Dublin looks a whole lot better now.

FOOTLICK:

Passion for Gold will be aimed at the Epsom Derby this year. I would expect him to make his sesonal reappearance in the "Dante stakes" at York in mid may.

This Eskendereya injury business takes me back to my original question - supposing he made a "miraculous" recovery,(he wouldn't be the first!) is Pletcher allowed to U-turn and run him afterall? I can imagine Pletcher's whole stable betting on him right this second at ENORMOUS odds.

I know in America you can't take the odds (unless I've been miss-informed) but in Britain, you get whatever odds he was when you placed the bet (unless you think it might drift, then you don't take them). My syinicism boils down to this years Cheltenham Festival (jumps racing). In a race called the Champion hurdle, it was announced that the 6/1 favourite, a horse called Binocular, was injured and would not  run. His odds promptly drifted out to 999/1 and of course the rest of the field's odds shortened due to his absence in the betting. About three days before the race and guess what - he's made a "miraculous" recovery and is re-entered. He went on to win the race...

Now I'm not suggesting Pletcher's doing the same with Eskendereya, but would it be possible to re-enter him? I can get over 100/1 on Esky for the Derby right now.

By the way, it's widely acknowledged that some people made ALOT of money on Binocular, and it's not entirely clear what was wrong with him in the first place if you know what I mean...

Under U.S rules is Esky allowed to run, or has he definetley forfeited his place? Cheers for reading.

Danny 25 Apr 2010 4:13 PM

Dubai Dave,  

         You are so right , he is not the champ beacuse he will only be 2nd in the derby.  He had major,major trouble in his last race but if the race was a hair longer Lookin at Lucky would of won and that is why he will be 2nd in the derby behind Mission Impazible.   JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 4:20 PM

Paula,

It sounds like its a tear in the tendon or simply just an infection caused by a cut.  Hopefully its just an infection and not a lesion on the tendon.

snow 25 Apr 2010 4:22 PM

Draynay,

How did your "lock" Eightyfiveinafifty do?  Please be quiet.

snow 25 Apr 2010 4:28 PM

O Danny Boy,

Eskendereya is not running Saturday.  They draw post positions on Wednesday and his swelling will not even have subsided by then for them to make a better diagnosis.  Jason, are you proud of me?

Ted from LA 25 Apr 2010 4:34 PM

Dr. Drunkinbum,

           I will not be surprised at this time come Friday the day before the derby that Mission Impazible drops to 5/1 odds for the derby.   I will be sad but what other horse is there that we know about at this time.  The exacta for the derby just went from a thousand dollars to less then $200.00 dollars in one day.     JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 4:37 PM

Snow, my LOCK did not do well in the mud but I bet on Bo-rail every single race and had my second best day of the year.  On Derby Day I will be betting on him every race AGAIN !!!

draynay 25 Apr 2010 4:51 PM

HEY JOE;

GUESS WHAT? LOOKIN' AT LUCKY

GETS HIS LUCKY LITTLE BUTT

WHUPPED BY THE CANDY MAN EVEN

WITH THE TRIP OF THE CENTURY!

MISSION IMPASZABLE? IMPLAUSABLE!

DUBAI DAVE 25 Apr 2010 4:54 PM

WANG

I AGREE with GREG J,you're an idiot and classless to even make fun of ANY HORSE being injured. Beat it!

Mike Relva 25 Apr 2010 5:07 PM

For all the people sitting on there computers wondering what is causing Dublin to go "crazy" here is the answer. With the brilliance of Churchill Downs management they scheduled the Pre-derby mini marathon to run through the infield at exactly the same time the Derby and Oaks horses were out there. There were several thousand people hooping, hollering, music blaring, and all running around the infield like a bunch of hooligans.  When the horse could not see or hear them he was fine, but when he could see the runners he was simply scared of them and horses being a flight animal he tried to run from them. He wasn't the only one that spooked from them, but his was  the most dramatic because of who he is. And with this mornings work he was simply still shook up from yesterdays activities. Never underestimate the coach when it comes up getting a horse ready for the derby

okie 25 Apr 2010 5:14 PM

Dubai Dave,

     2009 Eclipse Winning Two-Year-Old Male:

"Lookin At Lucky"

Vote Totals: Lookin At Lucky 209, Vale of York 17, Buddy's Saint 2, Noble's Promise 2, D'Funnybone 1, Jackson Bend 1

That is why he is called a Champion...

Greg J. 25 Apr 2010 5:14 PM

Draynay,

...so does that mean you're changing your Derby lock to Super Saver?

snow 25 Apr 2010 5:16 PM

Bowed tendon on esky

Endorsement did not work or go to track

Line of David looked good heard sadler talking about how impressed he is with him at cd

Awesome act still had his workmate in front of him in gallop he never went by during gallop

Lucky looked good again

Super saver also

Candy wentvtoo fast in work and looked bad ok gallop out

Oaks derby double will pay huge

B e 25 Apr 2010 5:19 PM

Snow and Pedigree Shelly thanks for your comments about the swelling. I hope this is not something serious and they can get to the bottom of it quickly.

Paula Higgins 25 Apr 2010 5:26 PM

sherpa:

Witchy Meeting ran the whole race riderless, but trailed the field coming under the wire.  The outriders were only able to gather her on the backstretch of the gallop out.  From that point there were no difficulties.  The outriders brought her around to the normal unsaddling area.  She looked tired but uninjured.

Yes, Flores was ok.  Flores was late getting to the paddock for the next race, #4, but made the ride on Costanta.

GunBow 25 Apr 2010 5:28 PM

I hate when the top horses do not make it to the derby. Just like last year with Quality Road and I Want Revenge. I was all about Eskendreya and now I have to reevaluate who I am going to back on Saturday. Maybe instead of reading charts or doing my own derby analysis and just listen to my three year old daughter who is 4 for 5 this year. Picking Sidney's Candy all 3 times and a little warm in the Bid and LA derby. Maybe I will hit it big with this logic. I wish she would have been a big bird last year.

RJPPDP 25 Apr 2010 5:30 PM

Anyone know why Compari scratched from the Inglewood Cap' today?  I thought it might have been a little quick turnaround from the Arcadia 3 weeks ago.  However, all comments by trainer Marty Jones indicated he was running in the Inglewood.  

I think Compari is a major horse, definitely on turf and maybe on synthetic, and his absence left me uninspired about the Hollywood card.  So, I didn't make the trip.  Tough day.  

Hopefully, we don't lose any more contenders from the Derby the rest of the week.  Let's cross our fingers.

GunBow 25 Apr 2010 5:32 PM

Line of David is going to take some horses out and drown them most likely in a 1 1/4 race. Wouldnt surprise me to see a 2005 situation again.

Mike 25 Apr 2010 5:46 PM

Thanks Danny.  If he progresses I think he could be a threat to St Nicholas Abbey at Epsom.

Footlick 25 Apr 2010 6:16 PM

GunBow - thank you!  Glad to hear there was no lasting harm to either horse or rider.  I'll hope to see Witchy run again WITH her rider.  Must say, she's got a heckuva stride on her!

sherpa 25 Apr 2010 6:35 PM

Very (early) morning line odds, but nothing is set for sure yet!

Lookin at Lucky 3-1

Sidney's Candy 6-1 to 8-1

Awesome Act 6-1 to 8-1

tcc 25 Apr 2010 7:07 PM

Very sad about Eskendereya. Let's hope that he recovers completely. He wasn't my favorite but he was the horse I feared the most. I intended to include him in all my bets, hoping that he wouldn't win so that the pay-offs would be larger... But I certainly did not wish for him to be injured. Big dissapointment for his connections.

Zookeeper 25 Apr 2010 7:19 PM

B e,

Do you actually know for sure that Eskendereya has a bowed tendon, or are you just guessing?

CV 25 Apr 2010 7:42 PM

Wang- I gotta agree with Greg and Mike about your assinine comment.  LAUGHING about Esky's injury??? Whether anyone liked him or not, that's just a damn stupid thing  to say.  We all have our different opinions, but NO ONE, except you, ever wants to see a horse get injured. Go back underneath the rock you crawled out from.

PomDeTerre 25 Apr 2010 7:43 PM

bloodhorse.com has a video of Pletcher's news conference about Esky for those interested.

PomDeTerre 25 Apr 2010 7:50 PM

Billy, see you changed your handle. I never questioned what you said about Eskendereya.

Fact is I have only questioned which one of Wayne's employees is aupposedly feeding you all your info. THAT is what I want to know.

That and how you can have a piece of all the horses you've laid claim to in the past few months. If you are getting first hand info on ALL the horses of ALL the connections, you must either be the Reverend Mother or passing out twenties like mad.

Know it all bloggers? Coming from someone who knows EVERYTHING about EVERY horse and EVERY connection? That's rich.

Too bad about Todd's colt, seemed like so many questions swirling around the colt and Zayat. Just too bad.

"It’s just like there’s never an ugly bride on a wedding day, there are never any bad works during Derby week."

Great quote from D. Wayne.

Ted from LA 25 Apr 2010 12:41 PM"

Yep, Ted you better hope he doesn't take up posting on blogs. The older he gets the funnier he gets. Dr Drunkinbum used to give you competition but has lost the funny contest to you lately.

Anyone still wondering about the blinkers on Dublin?

tcc 'sudden propensity' uh no, that's why Wayne put the blinkers on last year.

Still think he'll be okay though. He's waiting until he has over 100 thousand watching him. LOL (well actually I hope so).

Joe, he's had quirks for a while.

Lord I'm losing it. Starting to agree with Draynay. He's right, a bullet work now? A bullet work less than a week out? Not Wayne's style.

Okie, yes I'm still wondering which rocket scientist came up with that little debacle. An on the muscle, fired up 3 year old colt? Surprised there weren't more of them losing it.

Do you guys REALLY believe that a horse forgets something like that so quickly?

Tim G 25 Apr 2010 8:10 PM

Fee, Fi, Fo, Fum, I smell the blood of an Englishman. Hurry, hurry step right up. Get these odds while they last. Only $19.95. Simply put down $19.95 to win $100, 000 dollars !!! For this week only we are offering 5000-1 odds that Mine That Bird will win Kentucky Derby 2010. He won last year so he has a very good chance. Come one, come all. Limited quantities of bets accepted. Don't miss out on this golden opportunity !!!! If I'm not at The Pub, you can find me on my yacht.

Dr Drunkinbum 25 Apr 2010 8:10 PM

Hey JOE - who do you like in the Derby?

To steal and change a line from Caddyshack:  hey Wang, I think this club is restricted so don't tell them you're ( a classless moron).

Don't come on a horse racing blog and cheer a horse for being injured.  I can only assume that you are either between the ages of 10-15 and/or you have a mullet.

2:24 25 Apr 2010 8:12 PM

Horse Old % Old M/L New % New M/L  

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Eskendereya 30.00 1.8 --- ---

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Lookin at Lucky 12.00 6 17.14 4/1

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SIdney's Candy 9.33 8 13.33 5/1

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Endorsement 5.25 15 7.50 10/1

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Ice Box 5.25 15 7.50 10/1

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Dublin 4.00 20 5.71 14/1

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Line of David 4.00 20 5.71 14/1

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Noble's Promise 4.00 20 5.71 14/1

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Rule 4.00 20 5.71 14/1

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All others 22.17  31.67

courtesy of drf

PomDeTerre 25 Apr 2010 8:15 PM

Pom, you're right as are Greg and Mike. It's sad whenever one of these animals are injured, it's sad when an owner's horse can't compete to keep the dream alive.

CV I'm thinking BE is Billy? The one with all the inside scoop, LOL.

Tim G 25 Apr 2010 8:20 PM

Dray,

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth!  Given the fractions 85 was setting, he wasn't having an issue with the track, you just cursed him!

Track conditions at Palm Meadows are completely different from CD and when Esky ran his work he still was the 3rd fastest at the distance.  Use your same logic for Dublin, he was the 13th fastest of 18 at the distance.  If you want to put any weight on works, that is significant.  I only put weight on works for 2YO maiden races, the rest I leave to past performances, jockeys, trainers, and gut feelings.

Lastly, never once have I touted Jackson Bend as a derby contender.  However, if he does get in, he will finish in front of Noble's Promise, that is for SURE!  I am still waiting for you to fill me in on the last time a derby winner finished 5th in their final derby prep like NP did.

Lookin at Lucky is definitely the class of the field, and now he will be the favorite, and your pick, so he will finish in the bottom 10.

I can't wait for Friday so you can again embarass yourself with your known "locks" all over again.

P.S. Everyone else on this blog has posted their bottom 10 but you... anytime now.

TJLuvsTizs 25 Apr 2010 8:21 PM

2:24-

Wang is, no doubt, a NASCAR fan waiting and watchin TV with his beer (belly) just waitin fer tham thare crashes ta happan

PomDeTerre 25 Apr 2010 9:05 PM

Snow, very good question.  Last year I bet every race Bo-rail was in the day before the Derby and did very well and then for the Derby did not bet a dime on him.  I will never make that mistake again.  I will bet WP money on Noble and then play a super with him keying him 1st 2nd and 3rd with 6 horses.  Then I will take 100 bucks and put in on Bo-rail for the win.  I will never let him run a Derby without at least a 100 on his head.  I find it funny everyone now has LAL the 4 to 1 favorite and Noble a 14 to 1 dog.  Noble got a unlucky break at the wire and will not let it happen again.  All 3 times the breaks went Lucky's way but it will go Noble's way in the Derby.  When the speed gives way Noble will out run them all to the wire.

draynay 25 Apr 2010 9:09 PM

Paula - It's more than likely a soft tissue injury (tendon/suspensory).  The swelling has to come down to "visulize" the injury with ultrasound, radiographs for bone injuries don't have those issues.  He won't be back any time soon if it is indeed a soft tissue injury (the wraps are a clue). . .

Kat 25 Apr 2010 9:11 PM

In case you missed it the first time folks.

"Dublin attempted to bolt on two separate occasions between the three and a half and three-furlong poles during a routine gallop, finally ducking out so sharply he actually bounced off the outside fence. Fortunately, he was ultimately able to regroup and complete a very eventful training session. Has not looked sharp since returning to the track following a five furlong workout here earlier in the week."

It's called the Draynay curse folks.

mr pibb 24 Apr 2010 6:22 PM

I see he's got his pick down to two and since he likes Noble's Promise as his #1 he's a nay nay "lock" to falter.

mr pibb 25 Apr 2010 9:15 PM

"Fee, Fi, Fo, Fum, I smell the blood of an Englishman. Hurry, hurry step right up. Get these odds while they last. Only $19.95. Simply put down $19.95 to win $100, 000 dollars !!! For this week only we are offering 5000-1 odds that Mine That Bird will win Kentucky Derby 2010. He won last year so he has a very good chance. Come one, come all. Limited quantities of bets accepted. Don't miss out on this golden opportunity !!!! If I'm not at The Pub, you can find me on my yacht."

Classic post, Dr. Drunkinbum.  The best part is I was voted funniest poster by Tim G. just before you fired this bullet.  I need to drink a gallon of orange juice, do 500 push-ups, 400 sit-ups, and drink three Smithwick's before I even try to compete with this post.  What is Endorsement doing?  The last time I saw this report, the horse came up lame.  If Endorsement ends up out, I will be forced to bet on a horse with a name I don't want to see on a Mint Julep glass.  Or else I could go with Rule... I am skeptical of any trainer saying, "I like the horse to have a day off" less than a week before the Derby.  

Ted from LA 25 Apr 2010 9:34 PM

Unlike a few on here,I don't change my selections a million times. I'm still going w/ N.P. and S.C. either for the win,(same as I've stated two weeks ago).

Mike Relva 25 Apr 2010 9:42 PM

This will be my last blog until next year.   Like the universe we try to make something from nothing and with Mission Impazible he is going to make something from nothing and it will start on Saturday May 1st with a win in the 2010 Kentucky Derby.   I know for sure that the three of us [me myself and myself] will be cheering for Mission Impazible.   Until next year.   I REALLY THINK THAT THIS HORSE IS A STEP ABOVE THE REST.    JOE

JOE 25 Apr 2010 9:53 PM

Gunbow,

     "Morning-line favorite Compari was withdrawn because of an ankle problem Sunday morning, according to co-owner John Harris", I loved Gallant Son and Quindici Man in this race and went with my gut and hit a nice exacta!  Now I will use that as my pot to draw from for the Derby :)

Greg J. 25 Apr 2010 10:27 PM

Jason, I am sorry.  I know we are just a few days from the Derby but GIVE ME A BREAK ! Zenyatta to the Vanity ?  Are you kidding me?  Mr. Moss you have turned Zenyatta into Peppers Pride. No Stephen Foster? No taking on G1 males ? Your 6 year old horse hasn't faced males once on dirt and will be exposed for what she really is in the BC when Rachel and Quality Road get to romp all over her.  Take your poly specialist back to California.

East of the Mississippi real horses run on dirt. LOL your 2010 Campaign is a joke sir.

draynay 25 Apr 2010 11:12 PM

     Regarding Devil May Care, Last week, Her owner, Mr. Greathouse said she would only be entered in ONE of the two races, The Oaks or Derby, Now, After discussing it with Mr. Pletcher, It is almost a given she will be entered in both with a possibility of taking away the spot from Jackson Bend or Backtalk if she opts for the Derby, Since Mr. Pletcher said it is unlikely Interactiff will go in the Derby(He holds the 20th spot), That leaves Jackson Bend or Backtalk as the the ones who suffer.  I know it is within the rules but, IMO, totally unfair and selfish!  It should be one or the other, Not both!  Let's say she gets a bad gate position then opts for the Oaks, Well, They should make an exception to the rule and allow the next qualified colt to get the final 20th spot, Instead of a field of 19!  Jackson Bend DESERVES to be there as well as Backtalk...

Mr. Greathouse,

    Put yourself in Mr. Lapenta's or Mr. Amoss's shoes, How would you feel if you got screwed out of running for the Roses due to a horse being cross entered and NOT going to the Derby and leaving your horse on the sideline due to a selfish decision?  You can't have it both ways, Either the Oaks or Derby, Make the call...

Greg J. 25 Apr 2010 11:26 PM

TJLuvsTizs

ill let you know that since 1993 that no horse has won derby off a 5th place effort but idk bout the rest of the derby winners lol had NP finished 4th then he might have a shot.

thomas 26 Apr 2010 12:29 AM

Dredneigh had to liken himself to the favorite with that Es ken "dray" a pronunciation post several weeks ago; WHAT a curse this blogging bloke is!

Gary Lynn 26 Apr 2010 1:55 AM

Tough break for those who had Esky in their futures, but that`s the reason I stopped making those bets several years ago.  Injuries along with insufficient earnings meant my tickets would be in the trash before the race was run.

I thought something was amiss with Esky after the FOY when his works got a whole lot slower.  His win in the Wood though changed my thoughts on him.  Hope he has a good recovery.

I think Mission Impazible is just a closing sprinter. (Sorry Joe) He reminds me too much of Theregoesjojo from last year.

The only true closers that are running this year seems to be the ones that can`t run on dirt.  I guess Ice Box will be running late, but his win in the FD certainly hasn`t been flattered by those he beat that day.  No Setsuko, Ron the Greek or even Cacataco running so it seems whoever can successfully change their style and be taken back will have a shot.  The question is who will it be?

RiverCitySmitty 26 Apr 2010 2:44 AM

I forgot to metnion that Uncle Don, the winner of the $70k Grey Memo Stakes at Hollywood on Sat, is a son of the brilliant sprint mare Soviet Problem. Had there been an Eclipse catagory for female sprinter in 94', Soviet Problem would have been an easy selection.

By the way, Uncle Don received a 94 Beyer, a clear second for the Gold Rush program to Fantasy Free's 101 Beyer for the Tiznow.  Alphie's Bet received an 86 for the Snow Chief, the same fig he received in the Sham and SA Derby.  I don't have complete faith in Beyers, but I think they reflect the ability of Alphie's Bet fairly accurately; he's a 2nd or 3rd tier 3 year old that really hasn't improved over the last 2 months.  I think running in the Belmont would be a stretch.

Although I wasn't at Hollywood today, I did see that Gallant Son won the Inglewood nicely.  Gallant Son is now 2 for 3 on turf to go along with being 4 for 5 on dirt.  That's striking because his last 4 races prior to the Inglewood had been on synthetic, a surface over which he has an abysmal 0 for 7 record with just one placing(a 2nd).  It makes me wonder why they didn't pull the plug on the synthetic experiment along time ago, especially since his last turf race had been a solid 2nd to the Usual QT in the gr.3 Sir Beaufort on Santa Anita's opening day.

GunBow 26 Apr 2010 4:14 AM

Take this for what it's worth... whoch isn't much til confirmed.  Have friend who has "friend" who claims he's in tight w/ Petcher. (And everything said by him, according to her, is gospel, but he isn't the Pope, if you ask me...)  Dunno the guy, but he's at CD.  In the world according to him....

a) Rule is out based on his last breeze

b) Sid's connections are "worried" that over his last breeze

c) Esky has career ending bowed tendon & will be put to stud

Seems a little strange; have seen nothing to back up any of these alleged... I'll believe when I see it, but just a head's up.

PomDeTerre 26 Apr 2010 7:22 AM

Something is wrong with Dublin,the track's vet should check him before of been allowed to run in the Derby,we all remember what a sad moment was to see what happen a couple years ago.when a horse behave the way Dublin does,it mean something is not right,sound horses don't act like that. But we know Mr.Lukas,he love to be in the Derby at any cost.The way that horse has been running and training in the mornings,all the time getting out or bolting to the outside fence,is clear to me that he's not comfortable and he is trying to tell "STOP" before he cause some problems to the others horses in the race. The Derby will be a full field of horses for the riders to maneuver and the last thing they need in the race is one that has a history of bolting in previous occasions.

Carlos n 26 Apr 2010 7:51 AM

I was typing on my I phone. I hate it. So I made initals. I was at the track Sunday morning in the bleachers and some trainers were there, and the prognosis was a bowed tendon. I had heard that earlier last week from some one that is always on the backside, but I wanted to dismiss it b/c I wanted to see ESKY RUN. Horse racing, it happens. I was saddenend by the news, but I expected it after he did not come out to the track.

I can't give up my sources TIM. That would not be smart on my behalf.

Jason, I will look for you in the morning. Where will you most likely be?

Billy's Empire 26 Apr 2010 8:23 AM

I feel terrible for Eskey. I feel Pletcher is a great trainer to care so much for him. He has awesome lineage with an old time favorite of mine-Seattle Slew.

I have to say though, it looks better for my Dublin.

You have a tendency to believe don't you when you see Afleet Again run the race he did at the Withers. Afleet Again has so much heart! He is Afleet Alex again. I am so happy for the owners, they deserve this big win.

Now----GO DUBLIN!

Fran Loszynski 26 Apr 2010 8:27 AM

Joe said:

"Slew,

You mean to tell me that Stately V. and Endorsement run like Mission Impazible does , you might want to watch the way they run again...."

Joe..I've watched them over and over...Stately Vic and Endorsement have at least an additional mile more in the tank than MI. Lackluster LA Derby..then 4th in the SW stakes????

I feel bad about Esky...but I believe those rumors have been on this blog for several weeks..

...looks as though they were more than rumors. I don't believe they can re-enter him after a scratch.  More tests will be done when the swelling subsides...and he's likely on steroids to reduce the inflamation.

And, I'm thinking that if Dublin couldn't handle the crowd noise during a work session, what is he going to do come Derby Day with over 100,000 screaming fans?  Dublin has already proven to be unruly by tossing riders constantly.  I give Terry credit for being able to stay in the saddle.

Gunbow: Thanks for the update on Bold Chieftan...I really like him.

Slew 26 Apr 2010 8:57 AM

Did Endorsement work this morning?  Is the filly in the Derby for sure?  Did little Timmy fall in the well?

Ted from LA 26 Apr 2010 10:22 AM

Just read that Rule would not run in the Derby and that Interactif was "unlikely" for the Derby...

If Rule and Interactif are not entered in the Derby, that would allow Jackson Bend and Backtalk to move into the 20-horse field based on graded stakes earning.

Sad for Rule and Interactiff, But, I am very happy that it looks like two colts I really like will end up in the Run for the Roses, Jackson Bend and Backtalk...

Greg J. 26 Apr 2010 10:38 AM

Rule ruled out.

Filly unlikely for Oaks and will face the boys.

How many more defections are needed to get Ron the Greek into the race?

Timmy`s okay; Lassie went for help.

RiverCitySmitty 26 Apr 2010 10:46 AM

My bets this weekend:

Kentucky Derby:

Dublin 25/1, Line of David 25/1

2000 Guineas: St Nicholas Abbey 7/4, Awzaan 12/1, Inler 18/1

1000 Guineas (fillies):Rumoush 12/1, You'll be mine 100/1.

St Nicholas Abbey is easily the best horse on show this weekend. Look out for him in the Breeders Cup.

Danny 26 Apr 2010 10:46 AM

Billy, it wouldn't hurt your

'interest' at all. Figure it wouldn't be in the best interest of the soon to be former employee.LOL

As far as the other trainers? Well it's tough to diagnose an injury with the type of swelling that Todd indicated. His demeanor was that of a very upset guy. Just didn't come across as something that has been going on for a while.

I've always found him to be pretty straightforward.

One thing a person learns is NEVER diagnose a patient before all the facts, tests etc are in, you can make a preliminary or tentative diagnosis based on signs and symptoms but as Todd said in this case it's more or less an educated guess (uneducated on the part of distant observers). A little lesson in medical terminology, prognosis is used to describe the likely outcome of an illness, after the diagnosis has been finalized and pinpointed. It may be a bowed tendon, but I would be careful about speculation, that's just my cautious nature.

Pom, your source may be more reliable than the rumors and gossip others are hearing from 'other' trainers. Rule is out.

Slew, the fans aren't allowed to run around the track area, Dublin wasn't the only one who was startled and upset.

Subsequently, when factoring in the track condition, Wayne went back to his standby of sending him out early,

Carlos, are you talking about the way Fusaichi Pegasus behaved?

I think he was the last to pull the shenanigans that Dublin pulls.

As far as Wayne wanting in the Derby at any cost? He's missed it many times the last several years. He could have gone with Flying First Class a couple of years ago after winning the Derby Prep, the way Ken planned but he didn't.

I apologize but reading some of these blog comments, other than the occasional mistype that a lot of us have, I think people should spend more time working on their spelling, grammar and language skills and less time writing what comes off as uneducated responses.

The thing about racing? All of this speculation and second guessing? A waste of time. We all know that anything can and probably will happen. Even after ever precaution is taken, these are unpredictable, fragile animals. Even the best laid plans can blow up in our faces. Really, do you guys think the pressure is on from some really long time clients or horse loving owners to run a horse that will be injured?

The last two horses to break down were proven to be in the best of health prior to their races. Stuff happens in life, just look at your own lives and things that may have happened out of the blue.

Tim G 26 Apr 2010 10:59 AM

Ted, if I'm the Timmy you're talking about? No, I may be all wet but I didn't fall in the well, just too much rain. LOL

No you're still funniest, the Drunkinbum is trying too hard.

Tim G 26 Apr 2010 11:01 AM

Pom De Terre, I have heard the exact same things, and they all are spot on. Rule out, Esky out, and Sadler worried. I heard him say that himself, out of his own mouth, yesterday in the grandstand at CD while watching works. I have not said as of yet whom my pick is, but I am leaning toward Awesome Act, Looking at Lucky, and Super Saver based on looks, workouts and training. Dray's colt looks good as well, NP

Billy's Empire 26 Apr 2010 11:02 AM

Ted,

Little Timmy fell in the well? That explains all the barking from Draynay.

These works are hard to figure. Guess I'll just wait for Steve to say who looks fantastic.

Still hoping my futures bet on AL, made only because of Tiznow, will come through.

Tiznowbaby 26 Apr 2010 11:17 AM

I don't normally poke my nose in round this way, but it couldn't be that Eskendereya's owner thought he'd get a better price for the horse with his current race record than risk being a beaten Derby favourite... or am I too cynical..?

By the way, whoever said that Awesome Act was a toss based on his UK form - well that was on synthetic.  He didn't look too shabby on the dirt!

SamNotSpam 26 Apr 2010 11:17 AM

The answer to TJLuvsTizs post to Dray, "P.S. Everyone else on this blog has posted their bottom 10 but you...anytime now, " can be found in-

Changes to Today's Race Card:

6th Race: Wang has a new jockey. Change the rider on Wang to PomDeTerre.

7th Race: Change Draynay to a gelding. Draynay is now a gelding.

8th Race: Scratch Ranagulzion. Scratch Ranagulzion.

Dr Drunkinbum 26 Apr 2010 11:20 AM

Another reason to pay as little attention to works as possible:

Rule is out of the derby picture even after he worked 5 in 1:00 flat on Saturday.  The owners didn't like how he was taking to the track.

Any layman would look at that work and say "wow, Rule is rounding out into shape".

I will bet on him for the Preakness though, that is for sure!

TJLuvsTizs 26 Apr 2010 11:43 AM

Oh and Draynay, I see you're setting things up so you can blame Borel your 'master plan' bites the dust.  Just give it up already!

SamNotSpam 26 Apr 2010 11:44 AM

Ted From LA

  Thanks. You're still the most consistently funny. Don't try to do the situps right after drinking the orange juice. We fished Timmy out of the well when we realized he wasn't going to learn to swim that way afterall. Close call but it will toughen him up for The Derby. He'll be in the infield.

Dr Drunkinbum 26 Apr 2010 12:01 PM

Seems they are dropping like flies. Now Pletcher is pulling Rule and Interactif from the race. Is he trying to tell us something now that Devil May Care is going in the Derby? Look for Johnny V to get the mount on her. Rule never was going to fare well at 1 1/4 so why lead people to believe he was running all this time?

Win candidates as of today:

Lookin at Lucky

Sidney's Candy

Devil May Care

This Derby will be no different than most others as some of the top finishers will be overlooked at the window. That's where the money comes in. I'll be looking for the overlays and certainly include them in my bets. I play to win money therefore I will not play only one choice.

I'm headed out to KY early tomorrow to be there for the race. I'll be at the IRS window where I land every year after the Derby.  

the_wiz 26 Apr 2010 12:05 PM

Ted from LA;  The filly is "definite" for the Derby.  She will not be cross-entered in the Oaks.  I don't know for sure about Endorsement but yesterday his trainer said she would not be working him today, so i doubt he worked.

Rule is out of the Derby.

Poor little Timmy did fall in the well but Lassie already saved him.  Timmy and Lassie will be on Larry King tonight to tell their story.    

Mary 26 Apr 2010 12:09 PM

The talk on here seems to be that Eskendereya has a "career-ending" injury. If he does have a bowed tendon, which we don't know for sure, (do we?) is that always career-ending? I thought horses could recuperate from that.

draynay,

FYI, I read a comment from another site that said TVG reported Sunday Zen would race next in the Vanity Handicap. Their report was based on Sunday's DRF article.

However, the commenter said TVG later retracted that statement and reported John Shirreffs had called TVG to say it's not definite the Vanity will be her next race.

Last I recall reading was that Shirreffs said he wanted to find out the weight Zenyatta would have to carry in the Vanity before deciding between that race and the Stephen Foster.

It appears since your Derby picks have fizzled, you've decided to distract everyone's attention from that by returning to your old favorite pastime -- Zenyatta bashing. To paraphrase you, "LOL your 2010 Campaign is a joke sir."

CV 26 Apr 2010 12:12 PM

Devil May Care is in the Derby for sure. Rule is Out

Teaser 26 Apr 2010 12:44 PM

if Backtalk gets in, he will win. Count on it!!

Alisa 26 Apr 2010 12:48 PM

Has anyone seen Jimmy Hoffa, Elvis or Endorsement lately?

Ted from LA 26 Apr 2010 12:53 PM

if you guys didn't look at the la troienne yet then you'll be disappointed RA is pretty much facing careless jewel and the rest are horses zenyatta beat. just thought i bring that up

thomas 26 Apr 2010 12:55 PM

LAL, SC, or the Filly. That's all you need to know. The rest are running for 1st loser at best.

slyder 26 Apr 2010 1:04 PM

Bloodhorse article (about RA's work) says that Careless Jewel is out of the La Troienne due to injury.

Dray, wow, RA sure is up against it this weekend!

TJLuvsTizs 26 Apr 2010 1:32 PM

I usually don't do this, but I have to agree with Dray regarding Zenyatta of Shireffs wanting to point towards the Vanity. I really hope they stack the weights against her in that race in order for them to change their minds and run in the Stephen Foster instead. The first two starts were reasonable decisions. But its time to tack on the frequent flyer miles.

The Rock 26 Apr 2010 1:39 PM

Ted from LA

Ritter said she still plans to give Endorsement a shorter work probably a half-mile -- on Wednesday morning. Monday, she was aboard Endorsement while he jogged one mile and gallop one mile at about 6 a.m.

tcc 26 Apr 2010 1:44 PM

Ranagulzion

What's happening bud?  Your Derby guys are dropping like flies.  What's your spin now or are you going to go with the filly?  LOL

Draynay

Put your foot in your mouth until after the weekend.  Something tells me you're going to have a tough time getting over your disappointments.  And we don't really care if you wear pink.  Maybe playing like Casper and being invisible for awhile would be a better idea.

LAZMANNICK 26 Apr 2010 1:49 PM

Ted...I do believe they've spotted Hoffa and Elvis...but neither hide nor hair of Endorsement.  Maybe it's not Timmy who fell in the well...but Endorsement.  I'm getting disappointed in his chances, and wondering if we'll be seeing another scratch.

Slew 26 Apr 2010 1:55 PM

Thomas do us all a favor and let us know when Zenyatta beats any males on dirt or wins a race at Belmont, Churchill, or Saratoga.  She is a poly specialist get over it.  Her new name is Polyetta.  CV I named my Derby pick back in March.  Noble is clean and heading for the Derby and he is your winner by a head over Looking At Lucky.  They are my top 2 wet or dry but I will change my 5 other horses for the Super ticket based on a wet or dry track.  But Noble and LAL are clearly the best 2 in the race and will battle it out to the wire.

draynay 26 Apr 2010 2:00 PM

As far as Dublin being unruly???? He usually just tosses riders near the gate but rarely bolts like 85ina50.  Didn't Big Drama sit down in the gate and finish 5th in the Preakness?  Seattle Slew used to bite, rear up, and do a war dance in the post parade...but he always won.....even broke through the gate at times, and still won.  Lava Man was always a handful, but he usually won.  I think Dublin's a big stong boy, and he knows it.  I don't really see a problem with him bolting, as much as possible being fractious in the post parade.

Slew 26 Apr 2010 2:07 PM

Endorsement galloped a mile and a quarter today?????  When are they going to breeze him... Friday?

Tiznowbaby, Steve wrote today that Stately Victor looks the part.

Ted from LA 26 Apr 2010 2:30 PM

Thanks, Mary.  Is it just me or is there something about Mary?

Ted from LA 26 Apr 2010 2:32 PM

DRAYNAY

Obviously you don't get the fact that you're lucky to even be able to watch a six yr. old mare running at the top of her game. Where do you think RA will be at six????????????????? BTW,you pretended to be a fan of Zenyatta's on Haskin's blog recently. At least,I truly say what I think and mean it!

Mike Relva 26 Apr 2010 2:37 PM

At this rate, Caracortado will be in the field by tomorrow and my late January prophecy will come true.  What's the plan for Endorsement tomorrow?  A six pack of Guinness and a 200 yard walk on shed row?

Ted from LA 26 Apr 2010 2:42 PM

I know that Sadler doesn't like what he's seen in Line of David's work.  The horse doesn't seem to care for Churchill when it's muddy or sealed.  Not a good omen for the Derby.  Sidney's work seemed like a work to take the edge off of him.  Maybe yes/maybe no.  I still think Lookin at Lucky is the horse to beat.  And he's training great.  The filly is interesting to say the least.  She seems to be working the best of Pletcher's horses.  I like Ice Box as a longer shot.  I like the quick work that Mr Zito put in him.  I'd like to see Dublin run well for DWL.  The problem for me is that there seems to be so many variables for so many of the horses.  With most of them there are as many negatives as positives.

Footlick 26 Apr 2010 2:52 PM

Thomas,

I just read Careless Jewell has been pulled due to an injury. The only filly of any consequence left for Rachel to face appears to be Zardana.

CV 26 Apr 2010 3:09 PM

Geez Mike, I am a fan of the HORSE. But the CONNECTIONS have turned her into a Peppers Pride.  The horse has to fly over the Rockies ? Huh ? What?

The Vanity ? Get real. At this point it's just a bad joke.  Not running her at Churchill not running against the boys, wake up everyone she is not a dirt horse just a Polyetta.

draynay 26 Apr 2010 3:49 PM

Thanks, tcc.  I don't like this plan...

Ted from LA 26 Apr 2010 3:52 PM

Actually Thomas, according to the DRF, it was announced Sunday that Careless Jewel will NOT go in the La Troienne due to an injury.  That would explain why Asmussen was so excited this morning.  That is one matchup, Rachel vs Careless Jewel, I have been wanting to see for some time but as is usually the case in horse racing it will probably never materialize.  BTW, when horses goes that fast, 57 and change for 5 furlongs, it is never a good thing... Careless Jewel is scarey fast.

helsbelles 26 Apr 2010 3:54 PM

CV,

      I am just saying, Morena is in the same race as Rachel, Her best race was at Churchill in November, Not saying she will win, But...

Greg J. 26 Apr 2010 3:58 PM

Dray,

     What else can be said about your disdain for Zenyatta?  She has proven you wrong in every race she has won!  I honestly believe you will bad mouth her every chance you get until you think she will falter then you will say, "I told you so".  A head's up, Sorry to disappoint you, But, That will not happen, lol.  After she wins at Saratoga and then finishes her Career 20-0 with a Victory at Churchill in the Classic, Then what will you say?

Greg J. 26 Apr 2010 4:03 PM

Right Mike. I even said on that blog I hoped people weren't buying that nonsense he was spewing.

Since you insist on talking about it Dray? Zenyatta's connections kept their promise. They trained her UP to the race against Rachel, THEY didn't renege on the committment. They fully intended to face the filly in a race that EVERYONE was clamoring for.

Zenyatta BEAT the boys, whether it was poly or glass matters not. She is being prepped to run and move forward to the BC at CD. If you haven't figured out ANYTHING yet you'll know that they plan things very carefully.

So now Rachel is running against fillies that are mediocre at a track we know she loves. She gets beat again then what say you? I don't really even think it's about a who's better RA or Z with you any longer. It's some bizarre vendetta you have against her. Another one who made you look like a jacka**? Not to worry we all know you too well, don't have to prove it over and over.

Tim G 26 Apr 2010 4:25 PM

Greg J,

If her win at churchill was as great as Rachel's Oaks win, then maybe. haha

The Rock 26 Apr 2010 4:50 PM

I dont go as far as Dray, but it is kind of ridiculous she is running in that race again. I mean, c'mon. Do we really need to see her beat 5 California mares again? She's won the race twice already. What is wrong with the Stephen Foster? Moss wants HOY, well than he better run against males more than once. Let's keep it real all you Zenyatta fans.

Jason Shandler 26 Apr 2010 6:13 PM

I'm a fan of both horses. I REALLY wanted to see Rachel hook up with Zenyatta. Now I think that's never going to happen.

I think Zenyatta fans are keeping it as real or more so than Rachel fans.

So what we have is Zenyatta running against Cal mares on her favorite track and Rachel running against the same caliber of mares or lesser that she ran against, on her favorite track. So if both win they've accomplished nothing and if either loses they're are question marks. Going by what has happened this year I'd say that Zenyatta still has the better hand.

I think they are bringing her back to form with a race in mind at Churchill in the BC.

I have NO idea what Jess is aiming at. Maybe seeing how much of a better job Hal did with her?

Have you asked Jerry or John what they plan for the mare after she gets back on schedule after a bit of a layoff?

Tim G 26 Apr 2010 6:38 PM

I can guarentee you RA wont be facing females exclusively again this summer. That's the difference. Z will stay against females or on in Cali in the same races she's already won. Yawn. RA, provided she's healthy, will go to NY and face older males. She did it last year. Z didnt, until the BC.

Jason Shandler 26 Apr 2010 6:51 PM

Are they going to create another stakes race for RA to take on the all the "Way Ward" stars? Let the negotiations start.  What day?  What distance?  What will the purse be? We could have Macho Again, Mine that Bird and all the best older males that NY has to offer.  It will be great.  People will book tickets well in advance.  Yawn...  

Householder 26 Apr 2010 7:21 PM

First of all, why does anyone pay attention to what Draynay says?  He only writes that stuff to get everyone annoyed and you keep taking the bait.  What he says about Zenyatta is ridiculous.  She is a super horse, maybe the greatest of all time and has proven it time and time again.  What I find disconcerting is the total lack of respect for Rachel.  I know many hate her connections but that's not her fault.  She was off a long time and was not trained very well for the NOL and certainly not ready for the AB.  I think they thought they could pull it off but she just wasn't ready.  I think you will see a better RA on Friday.  She is a great horse in her own right but so many on here trash her regularly that it's unbelievable.  I just don't get it.

I love that horse for all her heart, beauty and her will to win.  Give her a break.

MonicaV 26 Apr 2010 7:21 PM

Who knows what kinda' schedule Zenyatta & RA will be on,or whether they face males before the BC. But,this I know:  Zenyatta will once again be in the starting gate for the BC Classic. Will RA?....I highly doubt it. If RA loses to filly/mares again or if less than stellar older-males almost run her down(like last year),she won't be in the Classic,trust me.

Carlos in Cali 26 Apr 2010 7:28 PM

   So glad to see Rachel A is to race Friday. I think it was Lisa Borel who commented that it takes almost a year to fully appreciate a huge achievement at the track(or I think any sport). I am more in awe now of what RA accomplished last year, esp with her needing the long layoff, and finishing 2nd. I think that just proves how much she did in her 2009 campaign. I just read online NY Times article that talks about the best works before the Derby. The person said Rachel Alexandra's work before the Oaks was the Most impressive workout he has seen, of Any horse, in 10 years. Hopefully she is indeed 'back to form', he commented her last work was closest to that.

My Juliet 26 Apr 2010 7:38 PM

I'd like to get back to the Derby, instead of another pointless "discussion" of a subject that I want to hear less and less about. It is so divided, and it wouldn't matter where Zenyatta ran next- it would be the wrong race, especially if the Foster came up weak.  So  on to the Derby.  Jason, what do you make of Endorsement's connections approach to the Derby?  I can't see using him, but I need to know other's opinions.  I may be missing something.  It isn't that it is unorthodox that bothers me.  It's that I keep thinking they are bringing him up to the Derby like he might not be 100%.  Am I reading something that isn't there?

Footlick 26 Apr 2010 7:43 PM

   I read that the Mosses were planning to race Zenyatta more on dirt, and against males this year before the BC, incl NY tracks. Since the BC is on dirt this time, it sounded like they were planning a different campaign this year. Still no one knows just how good this 6yr old mare is.  

My Juliet 26 Apr 2010 7:53 PM

JASON:

Perhaps if RA's connections hadn't  nearly run her into the ground last yr. would've been up to the task to face Zenyatta in the A. Blossom. I'll give you odds RA won't be running at six.

Mike Relva 26 Apr 2010 8:04 PM

TIM G

Thanks!

Mike Relva 26 Apr 2010 8:30 PM

   Monica V, you are right. Rachel A is my favorite horse, no matter how she races, where she finishes I'll still think that way. I don't know why more people don't respect and at least appreciate what she has done.  

My Juliet 26 Apr 2010 8:39 PM

It is time...

www.youtube.com/watch

Ted from LA 26 Apr 2010 8:46 PM

draynay im just putting it out their so we know who she will face and that their will be no excuses if she loses. i see her wining by 5 in stakes record time.

CV

well that's a darn shame because i felt she was the only other 3 female that would be able to beat RA as a 3 year old. and i think she's underrated.

thomas 26 Apr 2010 11:05 PM

no more negative zenyatta comments please.  she has nothing to prove to anyone, and i'm on the east coast.  if anyone wants to bash  her, pls find another blog on the topic.

PomDeTerre 26 Apr 2010 11:26 PM

nice video ted- is it saturday yet?

PomDeTerre 26 Apr 2010 11:32 PM

Mike,

Not many horses run at 6 and without a doubt RA will not be running at 6. Zen didn't race at 2 and only once at 3 because she was so big so she has had two full seasons and this will be her third.  This is also RA's third season.

Monica V 27 Apr 2010 12:31 AM

Tim G, maybe I don't have the skill to be a good writer,but I do know race horses very well,and I know they don't act like that way(refused to train or run straight) if they are healthy and happy.If an owner or trainer wants to run his horse in a race like the Kentucky Derby, they better make  dam sure the horse is 100% healthy.My point is that lots of trainers ignore the "Stop sign" in order to be in the "big race".P.S. don't forget,this is a free Country.

Carlos n 27 Apr 2010 7:50 AM

This blog is getting to be a pain to keep up with on the phone. I swear it takes me 20 minutes to get to the bottom! :)

Aspercel 27 Apr 2010 11:42 AM

The Vanity is not until mid June!  We have to hear this for 7 more weeks...unreal.  This does give RA plenty of time to get on a plane and head west.  That is unless the "stellar" group of fillies and mares that the east is producing shows up soon.  Come on.  Friday's race against a group of grade III also rans.  There would be little interest in the race, however, the horse that just beat her is entered which does make it watchable.  In the mean time, "Pollyetta" contines to rack up Grade 1 victories.    

Householder 27 Apr 2010 1:56 PM

Freedom of Speech isn't the freedome to say whatever you want about whomever you want. That's a huge misconception and misinterpretation of the First Amendment.

This horse has done this before. As Wayne says, the horse dances to his own drum. He has been examined. When he had his trapped epiglotis operated on. I'm sure the vets will examine him.

I'm trying to figure out which horse you are talking about that behaved in a high spirited way then had something happen in the Derby a couple of years ago?????

Tim G 27 Apr 2010 2:40 PM

Greatness should be bestowed on us all.  Our reigning 2009 HOY should be using this sissy race on Friday as a stepping stone to the Stephen Foster don't you think.  Of course, she might stub her toe and have to wait another six weeks before another stellar field becomes available.

LAZMANNICK 27 Apr 2010 3:30 PM

These are the facts.  Rachel was better then Polyetta at 2 and 3 and by years end will prove she was a better horse at 4 then Polyetta too. The 2010 season for Zenyatta is a slap in the face to all fans of horse racing.  No trips to Churchill? The clock doesn't lie they know she can't beat G1 males on dirt so they took their poly specialist and went home to beat up on more fillies.  Sad.

draynay 27 Apr 2010 3:36 PM

Draynay

Anyone knows, at least the ones who know how to pick winners, that when a horse is last entering the far turn and in front at the top of the stretch the jockey realizing that there is no competition simply shuts it down.  Not like some who have to try and prove their superiority by winning by twenty lengths against non-winners of two type competition and then are all out to defeat even mediocre competition and can't even beat the second sting from the Great Mare's barn.  When the time comes once and for all to show who is boss, the Great Mare will be unleashed and your mouth will be filled with her dust as you stand in awe watching as she strides away.

LAZMANNICK 27 Apr 2010 4:30 PM

Draynay, save time, cut and paste. You're redundant.

Know what you're up to, trying to deflect the heat from not keeping your promises. Talk about Zenyatta? Heck you're worse.

Tim G 27 Apr 2010 4:49 PM

The reigning HOY Rachel A. running in a Gr.III race is a complete joke,much like that made to order ungraded race @ the FG last outing.I just hope the Turf writers and voters are paying attention to her cream puff schedule so far, though I won't hold my breath.

Oh No You Didn't !!!! 27 Apr 2010 7:18 PM

LAZMANNICK

Great points as usual from you.

Mike Relva 27 Apr 2010 7:20 PM

DRAYNAY

Correct me,but didn't you select to finish third in the Blossom? Just to let you know that TIM G,Lazmannick,myself are on top of it,if Zenyatta wins the Bredders' again this year ON DIRT,you will come up with an excuse! We have your number.

Mike Relva 27 Apr 2010 7:23 PM

   Tim G, re your comment last night, RA's last race of course had nothing to do with the track. If her favorite track is indeed Churchill she did pretty amazing on the 6 tracks that weren't her 'favorite' last year.

   Householder, if you don't want to watch RA's race Fri, don't. There is no need for such neg remarks @this filly.

   Lazmannick, there's no way you really meant that post-4:30pm

My Juliet 27 Apr 2010 8:05 PM

Twin Creeks and Twin Spires become one on May 1st 2010.    Urbs

JOE 27 Apr 2010 8:07 PM

RA Fan: "Your horse sucks!"

Zen Fan: "No, YOUR horse sucks!"

RA Fan: "I know you are but what am I?!?!"

Zen Fan: "That doesn't even make sense, stupidface!"

RA Fan: "You know, you're right, we should be able to settle our differences like two mature adults.  Isn't that right, Mr. PoopyHead!"

SERIOUSLY...now say you're sorry and go to your rooms!

Kentucky Derby - waiting to see the post positions and where the speed is, but if the pace reaches its potential the race could set up nicely for IceBox. I like Lucky, Gomez will get it right this time

Lil Darlin 27 Apr 2010 10:52 PM

"Zenyatta...Rachel....dirt...plastic...poly...males...yap, yap, yap...."

Yes, it's more of the same drivel from draynay, who is trying to deflect attention from the fact he has switched Derby favorites 6 times, as Jason mentioned earlier.

Z's connections have said publicly she's committed to the Breeders Cup Classic, which, draynay must have forgotten, is at Churchill Downs this year.  

CV 28 Apr 2010 12:23 AM

"When the time comes once and for all to show who is boss, the Great Mare will be unleashed and your mouth will be filled with her dust as you stand in awe watching as she strides away".   Lazmannick 27 Apr 2010 4:30 PM

"SMACKDOWN",  LAZMANNICK

sodapopkid 28 Apr 2010 6:24 AM

My Juliet

Yeah, actually I do.  I get tired of the Zen bashing.....I can even go so far as to say that they should have cross-entered Rachel in the Alysheba......Some of her old friends are running.....Cool Coal Man, Macho Again and Bullsbay.  Now if they could only coax D'Tarra out of retirement and enter too they could have a Rachel party.....It seems to me that the Alysheba (G-3) is tougher than the Woodward (G-1).

LAZMANNICK 28 Apr 2010 10:01 AM

My Juliet, what comment? The one about being sick of hearing about the Rachel/Zenyatta bashing?

Especially when we're on the verge of two of the races that still have some relevance with the casual fans? I think it's time RIGHT now to give the fillies in the Oaks and the runners in the Derby THEIR moment in the sun. This really shouldn't be about Rachel or Zenyatta right now to the point that it starts to dominate these blogs.

As far as the track? THIS IS RA's favorite track. Jess said it, Steve said it. Who cares? If she loses again? We probably have seen the last of her.

RIGHT NOW MY focus and that of most racetrackers is on the Oaks and especially the Derby.

Tim G 28 Apr 2010 2:17 PM

Lil Darlin 27 Apr 2010 10:52 PM

Well put!

Zarkava 28 Apr 2010 3:15 PM


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