Belmont May Give Us a New Star

As we touched on in the last blog, without the Derby and Preakness winners involved, the 2010 Belmont Stakes lacks the star power that would attract the casual sports fan. In that respect, the third leg of the Triple Crown won't draw many newspaper or SportsCenter headlines and will likely see TV ratings take a significant dip.

The good news for us is that we're not casual sports fans. We are rabid horse racing fans. And because of that, we can clearly see that this Belmont does in fact offer plenty of excitement and intrigue, a good betting opportunity, and perhaps most significantly, a chance to see the coming out party for a new superstar.

We saw it in last year's Belmont. Without Rachel Alexandra involved, it had little appeal to casual fans. But it turned out to be a sensational race, with an exciting stretch duel between Summer Bird, Dunkirk, and Mine That Bird. When it was over, we had a new star--a late-blooming colt who would go on to win the Travers and Jockey Club Gold Cup en route to becoming a 3-year-old champion.

Summer Bird's 2009 Belmont coronation reminds me a bit of what may be in store for us this year. Taking nothing away from Super Saver and Lookin At Lucky, the Belmont winner could produce the 3-year-old with the brightest future when all is said and done.

In my opinion, there are three Belmont starters with this kind of star potential: Ice Box, First Dude, and Fly Down. Yes, I still like Drosselmeyer, and Stately Victor seems to be built for 1 1/2 miles, but I believe the other three have the most potential to not only win the Belmont but be major factors in the summer and fall classics.

Ice Box and First Dude were runner-up in the Derby and Preakness, respectively, and I don't think it is a reach to say they were the best horse in each race. Ice Box had all kinds of trouble in the Derby and still closed like a freight train to fall just short. It was not unlike his run in the Florida Derby when he came from way back early and then outdueled Pleasant Prince in the stretch. His sharp maiden and allowance wins prior to that were signs that the son of Pulpit was a true two-turn horse with classic potential.

First Dude's performance in the Preakness was nothing short of phenomenal. To set the ridiculous pace that he did, get passed at the top of the stretch, and still be able to come back at the leader in the final yards is rarely seen in classic distance races. The colt does have just the one win from seven starts and it remains to be seen whether he can move forward from the Preakness effort, but I believe we are just now beginning to see the best from him.

Fly Down hit the radar when he narrowly defeated First Dude when breaking his maiden and later when rallying to nip him at the wire in a two-turn allowance race at Gulfstream. He fell off the Derby trail with a disappointing Louisiana Derby effort, but came back with a vengeance with a dominating Dwyer score when defeating odds-on favorite Drosselmeyer by six lengths. It was a short, unspectacular field, but an eye-opening win nonetheless. He closed well while running into a moderate/slow pace, passed horses with ease while wide on the turn, and drew away convincingly.

All three of these colts have turned in their best efforts within the past month. They are all improving at the right now and could be sitting on huge Belmont efforts. Which one, if any, will it be? I'll have my opinion next week.

The real point is, this year's Belmont may not have the built-in intrigue of a potential Triple Crown winner, a filly going against boys, or a headline-grabbing story to attract the general public. But who needs that? We're real racing fans. It is still the third leg of the Triple Crown and there is plenty to get excited about. A probable field of 10 may give us a chance at a big payday, or a new star may be on the rise. Let's watch and find out.


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I am looking forward to The Belmont.  It will be an intriguing race for sure.  

Do you think its possible First Dude may bounce after his tremendous Preakness effort?

Mike Maker is hoping First Dude and Game On Dude will duke it out and leave room for Stately Victor to repeat his Bluegrass.  What do you make of that?

I like Ice Box too, but everyone will have their money on him.

Can't wait for your picks next week.

25 May 2010 3:25 PM
Ted from LA

It will be all Ice Box.  First Dude will not be in the money and Jimmy Crack Corn and I don't care.  I'll bet it, don't get me wrong.  But I will not travel to NY to watch it in person without more intrigue.  The sport needs a triple crown winner.  End of thread.  No, that's premature.  Carry on thread...

25 May 2010 3:27 PM

Put a lock on the Ice Box cause he's gonna walk away with it.

Too bad he'll probably be the favorite.

25 May 2010 3:30 PM
Ted from LA

Yeah, I said it.  It's premature.  Much like Draynay's.... oh, nevermind.

25 May 2010 3:32 PM
Mary Wilia, Honolulu

Ice Box...Freight Train????

Watching him in the stretch run, I expected to see steam coming out of his ears and flames from his nostrils....this Box was "Hell bent for leather" to get it done....and he almost did, with ears pinned and fire in his eyes....What a horse!!!!!

Look Out Belmont!!!!!

25 May 2010 3:54 PM

Well we will have a decent field in the belmont yes this year belmont aint all hyped up but lets look at it this way.New york racing needs a story and it will get one Uptowncharlybrown Alan Seawald, who passed away on April 12 thats why this will be the year for Uptowncharlybrown the next great new york

25 May 2010 4:00 PM

Well we know Fly Down loves the track and that Ice Box made the best run in the Kentucky Derby.  How do you bet against the native New Yorker?  Sure Zito won with Da' Tara and Birdstone but he has also completed the exacta with something like 5 place finishes out of 11 starters and an a show.  He needs to be heavy on the ticket.  I would like to round things out with something like Make Music for Me.  He has closed well against Lookin at Lucky over a couple of different tracks and finally turned the tables on Lucky starting from WAAAAY back in Kentucky.  Lucky bounces back to look like his 2 year old self.  Like the Preakness, I'm going with history.  With Zito's hot hand I doubt he disappoints.  

25 May 2010 4:07 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Stately Victor is the man. The new Governor. He will put Ice Box in the freezer or the vegetable section with the lettuce. This is one serious Belmont dude. He'll make Ice Box and those other dudes look like a small ice chest with bullet holes in it.

25 May 2010 4:18 PM

I agree Jason.  I think the Belmont is shaping up as a very good race and concur that any of the 3 horses you listed(First Dude, Ice Box, Fly Down) COULD end up being a breakout star.

As much as I respect Lookin at Lucky, and as happy as I was with his Preakness victory, there was part of me that believed that once Lucky received his trip he would beat the Preakness horses by more than he actually did.  

I still wonder if the absence of blinkers had something to do with the fact that he wasn't able to put away First Dude and Jackson Bend quicker.  If one remembers, Lucky has had a habbit of slowing down once making the lead, producing deceptive final victory margins and ultimately prompting Baffert to outfit him with blinkers for the Rebel and SA Derby.  In my opinion, the Rebel was Lucky's most explosive performance, but he had a target to run at the entire race so the effect of the blinkers is questionable.

I was actually surprised Baffert removed the blinkers for the Derby and Preakness because everytime I envisioned Lucky winning either one of those races, it was after making a sweeping move on the turn and then forging to the lead by the eighth pole.  And, as it turned out, that's exactly what happened in the Preakness.  As Lucky was battling in the stretch of the Preakness, I feared that the absence of blinkers could come back to haunt Baffert.

In the end, Lucky displayed enough heart and professionalism to win the Preakness without blinkers.  However, I just don't know if the race would have been slightly easier had Lucky been wearing blinkers; once Lucky swept to the lead, would he have put those horses away more quickly with blinkers and won by a larger margin?  Frankly, I don't know.  My guess is that we saw all Lucky has to offer.   Like I wrote immediately after the Preakness, it makes Lucky a very good, very classy colt, but is he a superstar?

Does this crop have a superstar?  Of course, many feel it already did with Eskendereya.  I love that after the Preakness all the Eskendereya supporters were feverishly pointing to Jackson Bend's performance as validation that Eskendereya was 8 lengths superior to any other horse of this generation.

This is funny because after the Derby, none of the Eskendereya supporters even whispered the name Jackson Bend.  No, they wanted to forget Jackson Bend.  Instead, they focused on the effort of Ice Box, the horse Eskendereya had dominated in the Fountain of Youth(of course with a slow pace).  Ice Box was validation of Eskendereya.  Yet, no mention was made of Awesome Act or Jackson Bend.  Their poor performances were not a reflection of Eskendereya's competition.

How quickly the Eskendereya supporters rushed back to Jackson Bend after the Preakness!  Of course, no mention was made of the poor showings of Schoolyard Dreams, who finished just a few lengths behind Jackson Bend in the Wood, or Fountain of Youth also-rans Aikenite(3rd in FoY) and Pleasant Prince.  The supporters of Eskendereya can't have it both ways.

In my opinion, the results of the Derby and Preakness suggest Eskendereya beat solid but unspectacular competition.  Without question, he beat some good horses, but even the best of them appear inconsistent.  However, given he didn't have to face(this year) the Arkansas horses like Super Saver and Noble's Promise or Lookin at Lucky, it is impossible to argue that Eskendereya beat the best of the crop.  And ultimately, what Eskendereya would have done is pure speculation.  The brutal fact is that Esky didn't have the physical constitution neccessary to be a truly great horse.

Unless some horse runs off with the Belmont, Lucky will be my #1 ranked 3 year old starting off the post-Triple Crown season.  While Lucky might not have huge room for improvement, one must keep in mind that he is a late May foal, so it is possible that he could continue an incremental development.  After all, there's no question Lucky improved from 2 to 3.  As good as Lucky was last year, and he was champion, his juvenile performances would not have been good enough to win the Preakness or even the Rebel.  Lucky is about 7-8 lengths faster than he was last year, and it would seem premature to suggest that he can't continue to get even better.

Having said this, I agree with Jason that a few of the Belmont contenders may have more upside.  We'll have to see.  Now, all they have to go out and do is run a big race, something much easier said than done.

25 May 2010 4:22 PM


Of course as a racing fan I'm looking forward to the Belmont!  Heck, i'm giddy about the gr.1 Gamely this Saturday, and then the gr.1 Shoemaker and gr.1 Met Mile on Memorial Day.  Forever Together vs. Tuscan Evening in the Gamely, a solid Shoemaker field with Karelian shipping from the East, and Quality Road in the Met Mile.  Memorial weekend is one of the best of the season.

25 May 2010 4:26 PM

Sorry to post this again, but of course a new thread starts right after I posted it last night.

It's a little delayed, but I did want to make a few comments about this past Saturday at Hollywood Park.  I thought there were 4 very intriguing performances.

1. Smiling Tiger-Gr.3 Laz Barrera:

Smiling Tiger had flashed some talent and class when he ran 3rd in both the gr.2 Best Pal and gr.1 Del Mar Futurity last year as a 2 year old.  It should be mentioned that in both of those races eventual Derby 4th place horse, Make Music for Me, ran 2nd, and Eclipse champion and Preakness winner, Lookin at Lucky, ran 1st.  Smiling Tiger was unfortantely sidelined for 7 months after those races, but his comeback effort, a good 3rd in the 6 furlong Harry Henson(on turf) set him up nicely for the Barrera.

The Barrera was not given to Smiling Tiger.  He had to go out and run quick fractions, :22 and 2 for the first quarter and :44 and 3 for the half.  At the top of the stretch, Smiling Tiger was tackled by the Baffert duo of Concord Point(on the outside) and Macias(on the inside).  Yet, even though Smiling Tiger had gone 6 furlongs in a brisk 1:08 and 3,he was able to hold off both of those horses as well as Domonation and Skipshot to win by a half(Concord Point 2nd).  The final time was 1:21 and 1, and earned a 98 Beyer.

Smiling Tiger is a horse of some quality.  He has speed, solid back class, and is solidly built.  Given this was only his 2nd start in 7 months and that he's only had 6 career starts, it would appear Smiling Tiger has some upside and might get even better.  Evidently, his connections are looking to stretch him out to 8.5 furlongs in the Affirmed Cap' at Hollywood.  The Barrera has a surprisingly good history of producing top level talent, however most have been sprinters(Reraise, Love that Red, Caller One, Swept Overboard, Squirtle Squirt, Captain Squire).  A notable exception is Dixie Union, who went from running 2nd in the 2000 Barrera to winning the Haskell 2 starts later(ran 2nd by a neck to the then unknown Tiznow in the Affirmed between the Barrera and Haskell).

2. Rapport-6.5f Maiden:

Rapport won the 7th race, a 6.5 furlong maiden by 5.25 lengths in a strong 1:15 and 4.  A 3 year old daughter of Songandaprayer, Rapport went out under Preakness hero Martin Garcia and set a blistering pace of :21 and 3 and :44 and 2.  While Rapport did tire slightly, she actually kept things together quite well in the stretch to win by daylight.  

Rapport is a $475,000 purchase, and is a half-sister to gr.1 winner Adieu.  Rapport had started 3 times as a juvenile back East but bombed each time, prompting a switch to Baffert.  Clearly, Baffert has her going the right way, and with that great speed Rapport might eventually be stakes material.

3. Uncle Don-6f Allowance(turf):

I had written about Uncle Don after he won the Grey Memo Stakes on Gold Rush day, and he didn't disappoint in his first race since.  Making his first start on turf in the 6 furlong contest, Uncle Don went to the lead from the start under the emerging star, Joel Rosario, and dismissed all challenges with the greatest of ease to win by almost 3.  The win was Uncle Don's 4th in a row.  

What makes this strong performance sprinting on turf so interesting is that Uncle Don is out of Soviet Problem, the 94' Breeder's Cup Sprint runner-up and one of the best turf sprinters of the last 20 years.  A 5 year old, Uncle Don is at the top of his game and will be tough in turf sprints, even stakes.

4. Enriched-1 mile Allowance(turf):

The 3 previous performances were nice, but this was easily the performance of the day.  Personally, I had been waiting for Lava Man's little bro, Enriched, to have a breakout race(like Acclamation had in the Jim Murray).  Enriched had been running well over the last 9 months, placing in some Cal bred stakes and was coming into the allowance having run a sharp 3rd three weeks earlier in the gr.3 Alysheba at Churchill on Oaks day(on dirt).  Enriched appeared to have the allowance field over the barrel, but I don't know if anyone was prepared for just how fast Enriched would run.

Enriched settled just off a blistering pace set by Liberian Freighter.  Those 2 went the first quarter of the one mile turf race in :22 and 2, the half in :44 and 3, and 6 furlongs in a stunning 1:08 and 2.  As a point of comparison, Uncle Don's final time for his 6 furlong turf race was 1:08 and 4.  By the 6th furlong, Enriched had collared Liberian Freighter while the other 3 horses were at least 8 lengths behind.  Liberian Freighter understandably tired and finished 4th.  Enriched had every right to back up as well, but he never did.  Instead, he kept up a good clip through the stretch, hitting the wire 9.25 lengths in front, stopping the clock in 1:33 and 1.  While Enriched did slow a little, his final time stands out during a meet that has typically been producing times in the 1:34-35 range.

Evidently, Team Beyer was impressed with Enriched's performance because they gave it a 110.  To put it in perspective, the next best turf Beyer so far this year is a 104, about 3 lengths inferior to Enriched.

The only downside about Enriched's performance is that it came in an allowance.  According to the speed figure and the raw times, the performance would have been good enough to win almost any stakes, including the gr.1 Shoemaker Mile(on turf) to be run Memorial Day.  Doug O'Neil, Enriched's trainer, is known to bring horses back quickly, and has been keeping Enriched on a 2-3 week schedule.  Will he come back in 9 days with Enriched for the Shoemaker Mile?  O'Neil could also come back in 2 weeks and run in the gr.1 Whittingham, but that race is at 10 furlongs.  

Enriched has been about a year behind Lava Man in his developmental arc.  Lava Man really started getting good in May of his 4 year old year.  At age 5, it appears Enriched is now ready to hit the big-time too.

25 May 2010 4:29 PM
Draynay aka handicapping LEGEND.

Ted, don't try to be a expert like me I don't want you to hurt yourself.

First Dude is a star and EVERYONE will know what I already know after the Belmont.  First Dude is your winner bet the house.  I have spoken.

25 May 2010 5:00 PM
Rita Robinson

I love Ice Box.  I've had "that feeling" about him since way back in the spring and put my money on him in the Derby--just like I did Curlin.  Ice Box probably isn't a Curlin, but my gut feeling says he's a star!  

25 May 2010 5:13 PM
Pam S.

"The other Baffert" has been an angle from time to time over the years.  He (Baffert) might be right that it will turn out to be "The Battle of the Dudes."  But I actually think it's more likely to be "The Battle of the Zitos."  I'm also hoping Make Music for Me gives a good account of himself.

I agree, most "outsiders" won't care much about the Belmont, but we all do.  And Gun Bow is right, there's Memorial Day weekend to look forward to as well.

25 May 2010 6:04 PM

With 2 weeks to go until the Belmont it is a little early for me to make any bets.  However, I like First Dude.  Big horse, big stride, tactical speed, stamina and heart. Everything you need to win the Belmont. Remember, deep closers don't tend to win the Belmont.

I do like Ice Box, and anything with Zito is going to figure into some of my bets.  Would he be the first trainer in history to finish 2nd in all 3 triple crown races with 3 different horses?

Make Music For Me is the other intrique in this field.  

25 May 2010 6:08 PM

Gunbow - I agree, this weekend has great racing on tap!  We should be blogging about it!  I hate that two of my favorite turf mares are going head to head in the Gamely.  I think Tuscan Evening has the edge.

Does anyone know who else is facing Quality Road in the Met Mile??

25 May 2010 6:22 PM

Lookin At Lucky may be the key horse and he's not running in this. So I will go with Make Music For me. The Derby is a throwout race for many runners.

25 May 2010 6:28 PM
Ted from LA

I'm guessing Alydar's trainer got second in all three Triple Crown races, but I've been Draynay before.

25 May 2010 6:30 PM

Quality Road : 59 and change.

25 May 2010 6:34 PM

First off, I can answer my own question that I posed above about Nick Zito.  Of course he isn't going to be 2nd in all 3 TC races this year because Jackson Bend finished THIRD in the Preakness. Duh.

25 May 2010 6:35 PM
Ted from LA

Darn it.  I didn't read carefully.  Will W is going to cook my goose.  I didn't see the "three different horses" part of your post.  I was trying to read this blog and watch the drama of the Jesse James and Sandra Bullock breakup.  Who cares about the oil dumping into our ocean or the high fructose corn syrup dominating our food, or the fact that 98% of our politicians are bought and paid for by corporations?  But I digress.

25 May 2010 6:37 PM

Gunbow:  Smiling Tiger Gr.III Laz Barrerra:  What's up with Hawaiian Spings?  There was a lot of backside buzz heading into the Triple Crown season before the Walsh colt was sidelined.  It was a tough spot to bring him back in.

25 May 2010 6:39 PM
Matthew W

Agree with the artist formally known as Draynay--The Duderrino all the way! But I'll try to beat Nick: Stay Put/Make Music For Me underneath the Dude! For value--like to make a lot with a little! Also, why take a low price on Zito? There's quite a few contenders this year, have been for all three races--no complaints here!

25 May 2010 6:57 PM
Ida Lee

First Dude is my latest equine crush so I'll be looking out for him. He's huge, he's beautiful, he's fast...What more can you ask for? Of course, since I'm fickle, I'll be looking to see what Ice Box is doing too. Love him!! But in other races, Forever Together, my gorgeous girl, is back and so is the ever-popular speed demon, Quality Road. Cannot wait!!! You are so we don't have a TC at stake. It would be nice but I have thoroughly enjoyed the Derby, the Preakness (almost lost my voice screaming for Lucky) and I'm sure I'll be cheering like a crazy woman during the Belmont for my favorites or whoever wins for that matter (as long as everyone is safe of course).

25 May 2010 7:10 PM
Carlos in Cali

Agreed--Ice Box,First Dude & Fly Down should dominate the Belmont Stakes.

Funny,..on the Preakness live blog,I stated: " First Dude will place in the Preakness then win the Belmont". I see no reason to back-off from my prediction. First Dude wins w-2-w...easily. Unless 'somebody' throws in that proverbial rabbit into the mix..

Lakers!!  Dodgers!!  

Sorry Jason,...LeBron can't get it done-- The Flyers luck ends and those Cheating Phillies have been exposed(put an * besides them). LOL, I wonder if they're still using those ancient 'buzzers' from way back?

Advantage goes to the team who plays outdoors in inclimate weather for the Super Bowl in 2014... fair or not.

25 May 2010 7:34 PM

Both First Dude and Ice Box had really big efforts, and I'm going to wonder it it took any starch out of them.  First Dude's a big boy, but Ice Box is quite small.  He was really taxed in the Derby.  After having had a rest, I see Stately Victor in 1st, First Dude 2nd, Ice Box 3rd, and Fly Down 4th.

Best Bred for 12f...Stately Vic and First Dude.  The new kid, Spangled Star, is definitely well bred and might surprise...the dam's side goes back to Alydar.

25 May 2010 7:34 PM
smallest loser

Uptowncharlybrown is going to win it. He has been begging for this distance and is rested and ready. He should be a great price.

25 May 2010 8:05 PM

Ice Box will be over-bet and is a play against for me. This will be a great betting race if the box doesnt blow them all away in the stretch. Ice Box will lose because the race will be won by someone that is forwardly placed entering the far turn. The Belmont is not won by last to first horses but horses that can sit right behind the pace. Ice Box won his last two races off of 110 and change first 3/4 miles. Super Saver came home in 27 along with the rest of the tired horses. Thats why it looked like Ice Box was flying and he was just coming home in a normal 24 second plus time. Pace makes the race as they say and the first 3/4 mile of the Belmont will be 113 or so. There wont be a last to first horse here so will someone tell me who is going to win this race?

25 May 2010 8:17 PM

I'm going for the A.P. Indy trifecta as well: Ice Box (Pulpit-API), Fly Down (Mineshaft-API), and First Dude (Stephen Got Even-API). I just love that one third of the field has A.P. Indy 2 generations back.

25 May 2010 8:35 PM
Blind Squirrel

The Belmont might produce a star.....and the Great Pumpkin might rise from the pumpkin patch this Halloween. Jason, I think you're starting to sound like Linus Van Pelt.

25 May 2010 8:44 PM

I can't get excited about the Belmont. Ice Box will probably win, but without the Derby under his belt, so what?

The problem with the Belmont this year is that it's completely lacking a compelling story line on ANY level.

Unless we see a Secretariat type effort, all the drama has been used up in the derby and the Preakness. Not much to get excited about, that's for sure.

I'm really bummed.

25 May 2010 8:49 PM
Draynay aka handicapping LEGEND.

Quality Road = Ghostzapper !!! Prepare to be shocked !

25 May 2010 9:14 PM

Does anyone know who else is facing Quality Road in the Met Mile??

Runfast159 25 May 2010 6:22 PM

Entries for the Met will be taken Friday. Expected to enter against Quality Road are Convocation, Honest Man, Ironman Jon, Kensei, Le Grand Cru, Tizway, Warrior's Reward, and You and I Forever.

25 May 2010 9:17 PM
Paula Higgins

I like Ice Box then First Dude in the Belmont. But I think the best 3 year old is still Looking At Lucky.  

25 May 2010 9:20 PM

Ice Box. Good luck to all.

25 May 2010 9:31 PM

Ted, I can discern that you crack me up.

Two weeks out seems a little early to pick horses, considering the "Eskendereya effect" on the Kentucky Derby. I think I'll wait to read how the players work this week and next.

As an aside, has anyone noticed First Dude appears to have an enormous head? I know he's 17 hands, but still, his head looks big even on that big body.

25 May 2010 10:03 PM

tvnewsbadge, I'm sorry you're so bummed.  Seems like you're under a cloud used to be an upbeat sort of commenter.  Hope whatever it is, you'll get out from under it soon.

Me, I'm really excited about the Belmont.  It's my favorite race of the 3.  IMVHO, neither SS or L@L are 12F types so they'd be a toss anyway.  These others (First Dude, Stately Victor, Ice Box, Flydown, Drosselmeyer et al) are likely the 4yo stars if they stay healthy, so it's great to have them showcased now.  See what they're made of!  Can't wait :-)

25 May 2010 10:09 PM

"Does anyone know who else is facing Quality Road in the Met Mile???

Runfast159 25 May 2010 6:22 PM

Runfast, DRF reported this today...

"Expected to enter against Quality Road are Convocation, Honest Man, Ironman Jon, Kensei, Le Grand Cru, Tizway, Warrior's Reward, and You and I Forever."

25 May 2010 10:10 PM
Golden Gate

Goooo IceBox freeze out the competition!!

My pics

1st Ice box

2nd Lookin at Lucky

3rd First Dude

25 May 2010 10:10 PM
Golden Gate

oops hit submit b4 finishing. If Lucky were running I would put Ice Box in front of him. I'm not sure who my second choice is.

I am glad the trainers are looking out for their horses and only running them if they think it is best for the animal.

25 May 2010 10:14 PM
John T

The owner of Ice Box wanted to run back in the Preakness but Nick

Zito persuaded him to wait for the Belmont.That will be good enough for me.

25 May 2010 10:24 PM
Draynay aka handicapping LEGEND.

Gee tvnewsbadge are you invited to many Birthday parties ?  I think when you see First Dude put in a all time great performance you may change your mind.

25 May 2010 10:36 PM

I for one am not looking for any compelling storylines for the Belmont.  I know the industry needs the exposure because it needs new betting fans but sometimes I don't know if the TV coverages are helping the industry anyway.  They get their show but I don't think they help in any way as far as progressing the sport.  They're all over it during the Derby but after that, unless they hear that a horse flies, you won't find them around that often.

Anyway, I'm glad we have a belmont blog now.  I'm pretty much deadset on IceBox as I think he will win going away but I think there's still money to be made as I also believe that First Dude, the other one that will take most of the money will fade and bounce off of his Preakness effort.  That leaves multiple value priced horses which I'll be using :

Make Music For Me / Stay Put / Stately Victor and Fly Down.

I think the trifecta and superfecta will still be big specially if First Dude and Fly Down doesn't hit the board.

Good luck everyone!

25 May 2010 10:44 PM

getting back to my only pick in the belmont Uptowncharlybrown.I do really think he is going to surprise.But looking at this weekend races first Kensei met mile  then franny freud the new super filly in the  New York Stallion stakes wendsday but might be overbet i will tell you that i feel like Strategic Missile (NY)  in the same race looks good with rider and trainer percentage

25 May 2010 10:45 PM
Matthew W

Make Music For Me ran huge in the Derby--he came from last and circled the field, losing his action late/hanging-5 weeks to the Belmont--he has a not so small touch of class...Rosario...'nuff said he's a contender...

25 May 2010 10:47 PM

I agree with MRO. The 3 with A.P. Indy blood on top will be tough to beat. Of course, they are the 3 favorites anyway.  I think First Dude will take them all the way.

25 May 2010 11:06 PM
Gary Lynn

car lose on LA...the Flyers are on a role!!!! and the bloodstains the Phil's have put on dodger uniforms have made them an adequate Halloween costume the last several years...consider yourself lookin at lucky when lovin your mirror!

26 May 2010 12:32 AM

I agree with tvnewsbadge, to a degree, that for the casual follower the Belmont lacks the story lines and the drama of the Derby and Preakness.

Super Saver is a decent colt, but what made the Derby were his human connections.  It was about Borel going for an historic 3rd Derby in 4 years, Pletcher getting his first, and WinStar rising to the top.  

For the Preakness telecast, about 2/3rds of NBC's airspace was devoted to these human interest stories.  The other third was spent on Baffert, his jockey change, and Lookin at Lucky's attempt at redemption.  While NBC didn't get their dream finish, a Super Saver win to set up a Triple Crown bid, Lucky winning was the next best thing.

I expect Baffert and Zito to garner much of the pre-race airspace for the Belmont, with Zito being the headliner.  However, the only real captivating human interest story is Uptowncharlybrown.

26 May 2010 1:24 AM

CV : I think that was a reflection of Draynay's head that you saw.  I think First Dude's head is fine...but again, I really believe he'll bounce...or maybe I'm hoping he'll bounce to give me a bigger payoff with IceBox winning :)

26 May 2010 2:05 AM

I have a strong feeling that you may be right in that a new star may be born!  But not the 3 obvious horses you mentioned.  Watch out for Uptowncharlybrown as he's training lights out!

26 May 2010 5:10 AM
Greg J.

      Ten day's away, Still to far to nail down my final picks, But, I did like both Dudes and Ice Box, I will have to change that now that Dray has First Dude as his lock to win!  I am leaning towards Uptowncharlybrown to replace First Dude, Thanks Dray ...

26 May 2010 7:10 AM
Ted from LA


I think I see what you did there.  You took a topic from one post, and transferred the humor to a different post.  Very nice.  Do you do other magic?  Draynay is a magician too.  I once saw him at the track and he turned $3000 into $12.00.

26 May 2010 7:22 AM

I love Ice Box, but I'm putting "Make Music For Me" in my exacta with him, he was 8 wide coming around the turn and came home awkwardly but gamely...I think he's got the 1 1/2 miles, too.

26 May 2010 7:28 AM
mr pibb

It'll be no shock if Quality Road waxes the field in the Met Handicap. Everyone knows of his enormous talent. I've been betting him since before he hit most peoples radar early last spring winning the Fla. Derby. Couple his talent with a weak field and you have the potential of a huge blowout. They should have sent him West to face some real top notch horses. It won't prove a thing to beat this bunch. He should have the race all to himself and pull away at will.

First Dude will be on my tickets for the Belmont just like he was for the Preakness. It's good to see the nay nay's of the world come around and jump on his bandwagon after his last race. Late as usual nay nay but welcome aboard. By the way has Noble's Promise finished his Derby race yet?  

26 May 2010 8:09 AM

draynay might actually be right on the Belmont. No surprise their though since First Dude will go off as one of the top two choices. The only time Mr BS is right is when he sides with millions of others and choses one of the top 2 betting favorites. Notice he thought First Dude was a joke before the Preakness.nay nay the only type of legend you are is either a BS'ing legend or a legend in your own feeble mind.

26 May 2010 8:19 AM

If I make it to an OTB I will box Ice Box / First Dude/ Make Music for Me...

Make Music for Me just might be this year's Summer Bird ... (might be). Ice Box will be coming at the end and shouldn't be so far back then as he was in the Derby. First Dude I like a lot, too.

26 May 2010 8:53 AM

I think Ice Box will win. He almost caught Super Saver with that bad trip in the Derby. He was FLYING at the end.

First Dude is a huge horse, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing in the Belmont...?

But I think it will be Ice box, First Dude, one-two...

26 May 2010 9:55 AM

Keeping my losing streak going full bore, I am sticking to Stately Victor but I am also worried about Make Music for Me and yeah, Ice Box.

And speaking strictly for myself, I always thought the Belmont was the classiest classic.  Somehow it always seemed less side-show and more theatre...for you, Ted, I will explain it more simply: less Three Stooges and more Sir Lawrence Olivier.

Looking forward to the race.

26 May 2010 10:21 AM
Mr. Introvert

What's all the infatuation with Ice Box?  Because he was able to handle the slippery Churchill Downs track best on Derby day?   Both times Churchill Downs sealed the track before heavy rains (2004 and 2010) the final Derby times were unbelievably slow and the winners were determined by who was able to handle that tricky track condition the best.

I don't know about anyone else but the Preakness taught me to just throw the Derby out the window.  Jackson Bend tired badly running on that stuff and almost won the Preakness.  I would have like to seen how he could have finished with a clear path the last couple of furlongs.

Just as Birdstone finished 8th in the 2004 Derby on a track he didn't care for and then waited to make amends in the Belmont, so too will Stately Victor.

Yes, this year's Belmont Stakes will give us a new star.  His name is Stately Victor.  Unfortunately it took a while for Michael Maker to figure the horse out but now that the horse is on his preferred surface (off the turf) and they have taken blinkers off him everyone will soon see he is the best 3 three year old in training going two turns.

26 May 2010 10:26 AM

Battle of the workouts (the older guys and gals)…..

• Quality Road (5-F)…..59.66

• Rachel (5-F)……1.00.40

• Mine That Bird (3-F)…..35.20 (Dominic Terry)

• Zenyatta (6-F)…..1.13.0

26 May 2010 10:47 AM

Ted, don't try to be a expert like me I don't want you to hurt yourself.

First Dude is a star and EVERYONE will know what I already know after the Belmont.  First Dude is your winner bet the house.  I have spoken.

Draynay aka handicapping LEGEND. 25 May 2010 5:00

Mr Bs you make it sound like nobody has ever heard of First Dude and you alone have knowledge of his talents. You are a disturbed man. Where were you before the Preakness on this horse? Oh yeah I remember now, you gave him no chance at all to run as well as he did, you even ridiculed him. Quit trying to convince yourself you are on to something noboday knows about. We here are so used to your BS it only makes you more pathetic looking than ever. You are so late on this bandwagon that they had to fit you on the 5th trailer being pulled behind.  

26 May 2010 11:40 AM
Driftin' Sage

Ice Box may not sit at the back of the pack this time...and yes...he reminds me of Curlin, also...did from the first time I saw him.  Go Ice Box!

26 May 2010 11:42 AM

Stay Put is an up and comer. I think he is screaming for more distance. At 15-1 or better he is hard to pass up. To me it's a wide open race. First Dude should be all alone on the lead. No speed at all in this race. Ice Box will not get the pace scenario he needs.

1. Stay Put

2. First Dude

3. Uptowncharleybrown

4. Fly Down

26 May 2010 11:42 AM
Monmouth Rules

Fly Down is the play and should win easy.  Ice Box will rally but flatten.  Stately Victor should hit the board.  First Dude will drop back.  Make Music for me is the only outsider with a chance at Fly Down.  All others fuggetaboutit.  Most should not even be in the race.  Could be the least talented Belmont Stakes in 25 years.  Nothing from this group will be anything.  Fly Down is good now but when heavy hitters come in for the Haskell and Travers he'll get crushed.

26 May 2010 11:59 AM
linda lopez

Does anyone know why jess jackson decided to derail what may have been a Triple Crown winner last year--Mine That Bird--by entering Rachel in Preakness? Between him and the Zayat owner--refused to fill the field so she couldn't run--we lost all chance of a Triple Crown when we truly needed one, more so because Mine That Bird  was an underdog. I was so angry that Jackson put her in when there was nothing to be gained except to take attention off of Mine That Bird and back on Rachel. I think he hurt her more than anything because Mine That Bird almost ate her up at the finish  line making her look bad. As far as I'm concerned Jackson is just another egotistical jerk for doing that unless he had a reason I don't know about, and that's why I'm writing. If he did, I apologize.

26 May 2010 12:02 PM

As others have noted, it will be hard to bet against the A.P. Indy trio --

Ice Box has not one but two Belmont winners in his first two generations. (API & Tabasco Cat)

First Dude has the pedigree and his fractions in the Preakness were astounding. If he can tone those down even a little bit in the Belmont, he may take the race wire to wire.

Fly Down also has the breeding and he seems to love this track.

So the only problem is Draynay has spoken and picks the First Dude.

My prediction is the Dray has not steered us wrong (this time). Exacta and Tri box those three all the way home! My guess is either the Dude or Ice Box will be on top.

26 May 2010 12:49 PM
Vic S - Stately Victor's #1 Fan

Stately Victor will win the Belmont by 8 or more lengths.  He is this year's superstar along with Zenyatta.  You heard it hear first.  Stately Victor wins!

26 May 2010 1:01 PM

Ted from LA,

For my last magic trick, I turned a $50 Preakness bet into $76, and missed a trifecta because I forgot to box it.

Not sure I can top that in two weeks, but I'll try. :)

26 May 2010 1:25 PM
Bill C

I think Stately Victor will run them all down Ice Box second first Dude third. I think it will be a excellent race and I'm looking forward to it.

26 May 2010 1:43 PM

I feel it is way to early, to get all hyped up for the G1 Belmont stakes. The race is ten days away, and the horses entered in, haven't even had their final tune-ups. As all horseplayers know, anything can happen leading up to the race. So, lets not get too far ahead of ourselves, and see what happens until then. And for what it's worth, I feel this years crop of three-year-olds is the weakest bunch I've seen in the 20 years I've been playing the races. Not one of these horses can even be mentioned in the same breath as our current champion Zenyatta, or perhaps racing next superstar Quality Road. We will not see a Triple Crown winner until thoroughbred breeders start to put more influence on stamina rather than speed. I have yet to see a three year old in the past 15 years who can consistently run splits of twelve around the track in the classic distances. Remeber it takes a certain combination of speed, stamina, and most importantly heart, to win the Triple Crown. That is why my friends it's only been done eleven times in the history of the series.          

26 May 2010 1:48 PM
Love Those Birds

So who's not excited about this year's Belmont?  We're loyal to the end, right?  

Ten horses and ten days to go ... let the countdown begin.

First Dude to win but just barely.  [grinning]

26 May 2010 1:50 PM

Love the breeding on Make Music for Me.  Perhaps the Carson City side of things keeps him a bit closer this time around.  Should run all day...would like to see the Belmont track come up a little heavier on the turf/synthetic side before I would put him on top. He like Paddy O may have moved up in the slop on Derby day.  

The question I have today is, can Quality Road overcome close to a four month layoff?  The Met field does not look too strong but there are some other graded runners over that track (e.g,. Kensei).  Why bring him back at a mile?

26 May 2010 2:04 PM

Yes, this year's Belmont Stakes will give us a new star.  His name is Stately Victor.  Unfortunately it took a while for Michael Maker to figure the horse out but now that the horse is on his preferred surface (off the turf) and they have taken blinkers off him everyone will soon see he is the best 3 three year old in training going two turns.

Mr. Introvert 26 May 2010 10:26 AM

Last time i checked bro, Keenland ain't Dirt.  So unless Belmont switches to polycrap (aka Turf Light), between now and the race, i don't see how he will be on his preferred surface.

I love you Dray, but it's Fly Down, no doubt about it.

26 May 2010 2:07 PM
It aint easy being the truth!

I think Stately Victor wins in a romp. He is a free runnning horse that has long strides and runs like summer bird. Is just coming into his own. Ice box needs a fast pace to set and wont get one in this race. He has been sucessful in the past 2 races due to blistering fractions in the derby and the florida derby. Expect a soft pace and for ice box to be ice cold around the turn. Bet ice box at your own risk but I wont bet him. Stately Victor/fly down to the bank!

26 May 2010 2:31 PM

Who's not excited about this years Belmont??? ME!!!! The Belmont should be run as race 3 on the saturday card. The quality is not up to par. But luckily someone will be a grade 1 winner and have $600K in their bank acount at the end of the day. Best race that day is the Manhattan.

26 May 2010 2:47 PM

As bad as dranay's picks have been they are even worse when it comes to the Belmont. This is the guy who brought you Dunkirk and Big Brown as sure fire locks to win the Belmont the last two years. Last year he laughed at Summer Bird all the way to a total and complete whipping in the handicap comntest. Two years ago Big Brown embarrassed himself by getting totally thrashed by a group that was made up of maidens and allowance winners only. One is never wrong all of the time but this guy comes as close to it as you can. Sooner or later he'll get another one right but the best angle on his picks is to totally ignore tham unless the horse he chooses is one of the top two public picks as well.  

26 May 2010 3:19 PM
Alex PB

To fans of Stately Victor - rate him as a good 3yo but nothing special - his sire, Ghostzapper has produced nothing anywhere near a classic winner, and his stud fee has dropped below the economy slump. The SV Bluegrass winning effort was on the fluky pro ride.  

26 May 2010 3:24 PM

Really like Uptowncharlybrown, but don't think he is good enough to win it. He finishes third while Ice Box wins by a head over First Dude. Hopefully this will come true and it will be an exciting race.

26 May 2010 3:27 PM
Draynay aka handicapping LEGEND.

Well now that I have led you all to the Derby and Preakness winner and now the Belmont winner I will be sending my address to my private Chateau to Jason so you can send me half of your winnings.  I appreciate all the cards and gifts but now I would prefer you just send cash for taking advantage of my handicapping genius.

26 May 2010 3:28 PM


Do I throw up now....or later?

26 May 2010 3:47 PM

Most of you here have it right...Fly Down, First Dude, Stately Victor or Ice Box have a chance.  Anyone who thinks Uptowncharlybrown has any chance is delusional.  I feel bad Alan Seewald is not around to train him.  The new trainer only wants horses because West Point TB dumped him.  Uptown is a good one turn sprinter, not a classic horse.

26 May 2010 3:50 PM

I really thought it was Super Saver and LAL that won the Derby and the Preakness.  I might have missed it but did Noble's Promise and Schoolyard Dreams win the two races ??

I need to start paying more attention to these races...for those who bet NP and SD to win the previous two races, please send ALL your winnings to Dray!  or maybe send him the tickets so he can refund your bets :)

I haven't seen any stories on Uptown, I doubt people will remember Alan S unless Uptown wins but I seriously doubt he can win against this group.  MMFM is probably the only threat to IceBox, Stay Put might pull the upset or at least I'm hoping he'll hit the board at upwards of 20-1.  IceBox will be closer to the pace and will run by them at the top of the stretch, it's Lezcano's turn to shine.

26 May 2010 3:57 PM
Mr. Introvert

Before we castigate Ghostzapper for not having a Classic winner let's cut him a little slack since this is first crop of three year olds.   As for Stately Victor's win in the Blue Grass, I am glad there are many attributing his win to the Keeneland surface or else his odds on him would be much lower.  But I am confident this big horse with a monstrous stride will love Big Sandy, just like his daddy did.

26 May 2010 4:21 PM

I don't understand why people are still thinking that any wins on synthetic is a fluke, I'm sure the same folks bet on LAL to win the Preakness and his a synthetic horse.  Blind Luck and Zenyatta won when switching surfaces from synthetic to dirt.

I don't think people understand that the switch from synthetic to dirt this year has proven successful more times than not.  You can dismiss SV based on his Keeneland win, that'll make his odds better :)  He'll be in my exotics.

26 May 2010 4:48 PM
Ted from LA

Does anyone else enjoy the irony of Mr. Introvert writing 4 paragraph long posts and correcting others in another post?  Good work.

I think the longest shot on the board will win the Belmont.  Make Music to Me has as good of a chance of winning the Belmont as the live lobster I bought for dinner tonight has of being alive to watch the race with me.  I wish the voices in my head would stop.  Or at least take a coffee break.

26 May 2010 4:49 PM
Tim G

PAGuy, You're kidding about Kiaran right?  West Point???


Darley, Shadwell etc. Another guy reading the mind of people he knows nothing about.

26 May 2010 5:29 PM
Tim G

You are so full of it Dray. You did NOTHING but castigate Todd and say he couldn't EVER win a Derby, that he was the WORST trainer to send a TC hopeful to.  Now you say you 'gave us' the Derby??? Did you even pick ONE horse? You pick so many I lose track.

26 May 2010 5:33 PM

I loved First Dude in the Preakness, and I love him even more now, for the Belmont. He should still be a "fresh " horse, he is a big, strong galloper, with tactical speed. His gallop out was impressive at Pimlico, stamina should not be a problem. He will be close up, and that's what you want in a mile and a half race. Ice Box , though a nice horse, was finishing up on the wrong lead in the Derby and I think he was just picking up the pieces in that race.

26 May 2010 5:45 PM
Pedigree Shelly

         MRO great pick ! I'm going with the AP Indy sire line trifecta also ! I sure hope everybody stays injury free till next Saturday,because I think it will be a good race ! My longshot pick will be Stately Victor :)

26 May 2010 5:56 PM
Pedigree Shelly

         MRO great pick ! I'm going with the AP Indy sire line trifecta also ! I sure hope everybody stays injury free till next Saturday,because I think it will be a good race ! My longshot pick will be Stately Victor :)

26 May 2010 5:56 PM


Game on Dude is still not considered definite for the Belmont Stakes.

At Philadelphia Park,a 3-year-old that was mentioned shortly after the Preakness as being possible for the Belmont Stakes, Bank the Eight, breezed four furlongs in :48.00 (1/40) for trainer Tony Dutrow.

Bank the Eight wasn't nominated to the Triple Crown series and would have to be supplemented to the Belmont at a significant cost. He still isn't considered likely for the race.

26 May 2010 6:27 PM
Pedigree Shelly

           I still think Ice Box will be the one to beat in the Belmont . I hope this time around ,that Lezcano can keep him a little closer to the pace and not 20 lengths out of it when turning for home !

26 May 2010 6:29 PM
Driftin' Sage might just mean...DIRT IS BETTER and the horses like it better. Whatcha think?

26 May 2010 6:44 PM

First Dude had his coming out party in the Preakness and looks like the next star in the division. That was a phenomenal performance in Baltimore, where he did everything but win. He has the right running style for the Belmont and will be tough to beat.

26 May 2010 6:46 PM

Stately Victor is interesting, in that his sire, Ghostzapper, was a late developer. Like father, maybe, like son. I also think the fresher horses will have the edge, like Make Music and Ice Box.

26 May 2010 6:53 PM
Ida Lee

Linda, if I may comment on Rachel and the Preakness. I too would have loved to see a TC last year (or any year) and it wouldn't have happened to a more beloved horse than Mind That Bird, one of my very favorites. But, and this is a big BUT, Rachel Alexandra earned her spot in the Preakness - not Jess Jackson - Rachel earned it. Also, would we really have wanted MTB to win the TC when Rachel was having a historic year and it was obvious that she was the horse to beat?  And as I'm sure you know, MTB came in third in the Belmont. So, as it turns out, MTB came in first, second and third in the TC races. To me, that is one special horse and I adore him. But, the TC was not his destiny, with or without Rachel.

26 May 2010 7:06 PM

SLYDER- I absolutely loved your analysis of Draynay The  Handicapping Legend's earth shattering comments about First Dude!!  I laughed so hard that I had tears running down my face. To say that he was a bit late  jumping on board the  Belmont ship

regarding First Dude is an understatement.  I love Dude, Ice Box, Fly Down, and I really think Stately Victor could shake things up big time.  Can't wait!  

26 May 2010 7:54 PM


Right on man!  That angle has worked well.  Im almost certain i know why, but that is a discussion for another day.

26 May 2010 8:15 PM

Mine That Bird....... great horse!

Zenyatta ......The Champ!!!


26 May 2010 8:21 PM

Driftin Sage : That's beside the point I was making...but nm, don't want to turn the blog into a dirt vs synthetic debate.

I'll stick with my picks for now.

26 May 2010 8:27 PM

About the Met Mile:

DRF is reporting that Ironman Jon, a horse who would have been part of the early speed in the Met Mile, was withdrawn due to a foot injury after he ran 5 furlongs in 58.83 seconds at Belmont.

It sounds like Quality Road has a rather weak field left to challenge him in the Mile. Is Kensei the best of those?

26 May 2010 8:51 PM

Regarding Mine That Bird and the Triple Crown, Linda is right on the money.

We don't know if Mine That Bird would have won the Belmont, but it is a safe bet that he would have beaten Rachel if he had Borel in the saddle.

Even Jess Jackson himself admitted that when he was quoted as saying that the difference between victory and defeat for Rachel in the Preakness was Calvin Borel.

It wasn't that Jess Jackson ran Rachel in the Preakness that leaves a bad taste, it was that he chose  to hijack Mine That Bird's jockey to do it.

26 May 2010 8:55 PM

I agree with you Jason. I also think that Ice-Box, Fly-Down and First Dude will all be major players in the Belmont. Don't forget about Make Music for Me who could finish 2-4 in the race. I don't see First Dude winning though. Although he is almost sure to take the lead and control the pace for maybe the first 1 1/8 - 1 1/4. Thats where Fly Down will have probably passed him by now and Ice-Box and Make Music for Me will be closing fast. I think that Drosselmeyer will get beat down again by the above mentioned 4 horses and I'm not sure that Stately Victor is nothing more than a very good synthetic horse.

26 May 2010 9:27 PM


26 May 2010 9:33 PM

I am sorry, but after the Preakness and we dont' have a horse from the derby or Preakness winner going to the Belmont, thats crazy,  This is a crazy TC year.

It dont' seem right, Do you folks think so???

26 May 2010 9:36 PM
Phil McSween

Jason...thought i'd chime in here.  

Love the support for my boy Stately Victor.   Just prior to his Bluegrass win, he ran in an allowance race at Gulfstream and came flying on the far outside and finished 5th in a blanket finish.   Then he crushes Paddy O'Prado and a good cast in the Bluegrass and he galloped out like a beast.    

His Derby was gallant considering he got drilled by Kent D and Paddy O'Prado 3/16th's out of the gate, and was shuffled back to 16th place.   He made a decent run to get into striking range before flattening out, all the while eating a ton of slop.    

I hope he runs to his promise and slam dunks this crew.    Like Vic S....I LOVE STATELY VICTOR !!!!

26 May 2010 9:38 PM

CV : This is exactly why TP picked the Mile for QR's next race, he was coming off a 4 month layoff, he needed the easiest spot for QR.  It doesn't really prove anything as far as what QR's real talent is if he keeps running against horses like these but that's horse racing.  That's what trainers do, they pick a spot where their horse has a great chance of winning.  It's a workout for QR, not sure if this will help him in the Classic though, he's still not proven on the distance so we'll see come November how good he really is.

26 May 2010 9:59 PM
Draynay aka handicapping LEGEND.

Weak field for the Met Mile cv ? You have no idea what you are talking about come back and join us when you do.  We are talking about MTB again? Really ?  MTB has about the same odds of winning a stakes race as Zenyatta does of ever running on dirt again.... ZERO !  I have spoken.

26 May 2010 10:37 PM
K Rodgers

The Belmont is a pedigree race.

17 of the last 20 Belmont winners had a sire or damsire that won at 10 furlongs or longer.  13 had a sire that won at 10f+, 4 had a damsire that won at 10f+.

So only 3 horses in the last 2 decades have won the Belmont that did not have a sire or damsire who won at 10f+.  And all 3 had one thing in common:  they were all trained by D Wayne Lukas.

Lukas doesn't have a horse in this race and there are only 5 starters that have a sire or damsire that won at 10+ furlongs: Bank the Eight (damsire), Fly Down (sire), Game On Dude (both), Ice Box (damsire), and Stately Victor (sire).

I'm playing the longest shots of those 5 across the board and in the gimmicks.

26 May 2010 10:55 PM

A few comments:

Kensei is a nice horse but I think Quality Road has matured into a real monster and one mile should be ideal for him. I think he will blow this field away.

Stately Victor may be by Ghostzapper, which isn't very encouraging, but that is the Deputy Minster line and Deputy Minister has sired one Belmont winner and is the broodmare sire of three more. He and the three A. P. Indy line colts will make a good super.

Mr.Introvert, I agree with your statement regarding Ice Box and the Derby. That race cannot be used for any real handicapping. But I do think based on his breeding and his last two efforts he will be in the exotics.  Also, Jackson Bend did have to hesitate a moment or two in the Preakness but then he had a fair chance of catching Lucky and didn't. Watch the strech run closely and you will see he gets to Lucky's rear but hangs there the last 200 yards.

I'm not a fan of the synthetics and being in Southern California I hate that we have three tracks with three different poly surfaces, but it does seem to put a good foundation in horses that train over it.

26 May 2010 11:25 PM

I think the Belmont this year is going to produce some rising stars. First Dude already is a rising star based on his exceptional ability to carry his speed over a long distance. His Preakness was amazing, considering how lightly race he was entering that race, he will hopefully continue to grow and develop into an exceptionally good horse.

But, the horse I expect to totally surprise this group is Uptowncharlybrown. I think he has been begging for more distance, and finally gets it in the Belmont.

27 May 2010 12:03 AM

Uptowncharleybrown--hopefully he'll be a decent price.  I think the distance will be perfect for this horse.

27 May 2010 12:28 AM

Oh brother, we're back to defending MTB and his could've been/should've beens.

Look, I like the little gelding and I'm looking forward to seeing him run again.  He ran 3 really good races in 5 weeks last year.

But Rachel didn't play spoiler to a Triple Crown.  As others have pointed out, Summer Bird would have been the spoiler had the crown been on the line.

Nor did Jess Jackson "hijack" Calvin Borel into riding Rachel.  It was Calvin's choice, and he chose wisely.

Why would Jackson run Rachel in the Preakness?  Maybe to win a classic, ya think?

But the dumbest thing I think I've ever read on one of these blogs...

"and the Zayat owner--refused to fill the field so she couldn't run."

... you were joking right?  Sometimes I can be a little dense about seeing the humor... actually I see it now.  That entire post was tongue in cheek right?  Ah hah, yes I think I've got it now.

27 May 2010 1:23 AM


27 May 2010 1:52 AM
Tim G

Oh and by the way on Uptowncharlybrown? "McLaughlin was well aware of Uptowncharlybrown before he came into his barn. McLaughlin attempted to buy the horse after his six-length victory in the Pasco Stakes at Tampa Bay Downs in January. At that point, Fantasy Lane turned down the offer."

It really drives me crazy, people claiming to know what is going on and talk trash for the fun of it.

I don't know, Ice Box, depending on what he's been doing kind of a long time off.

But First Dude? Was he backing up in a 1 3/16? I'm not sure he'll get the mile and a half.  I don't think Lucky would have either.

I hate to say it but I'm ambivalent. Lots of good racing at other tracks on that date. Monmouth should have some good betting races.

MTB? Effortless. The sinkhole, scary stuff.

27 May 2010 2:22 AM
August Song

Quality Road will be upset in the Metropolitan Mile Monday by Convocation. The media will be writing about the revenge factor. I would simply chalk it up to who I believe is the better trainer, who never used steroids on his horses and, never was suspended for drug violations. But, the upset will create a lot of talk and press in the media.

27 May 2010 3:48 AM

Tvnewsbadge:  Your last comment is strange.   Calvin was, and is, Rachel's jockey.  Jess Jackson didn't "hijack" Mine That Bird's jockey.  He merely kept his regular jockey on his filly.  What is wrong with THAT?   Why would he not want his regular jockey on his horse???

27 May 2010 6:00 AM

Dale Romans made mention of the fact that FIRST DUDE "is only getting better".  I tend to agree.  He ran like a horse that's peaking.  To his credit, he is rugged-looking, and that means he can probably hold that form for another race.  He does need an easy 6 furlongs, however, or the ability to relax for that distance while another rabbit goes out early...a contested pace, and ICE BOX probably nails it.  

I see FIRST DUDE either going to the lead, or finding the ability to sit back and take control after 6 panels....and I think he has enough to hold off ICE BOX, and FLY DOWN, who finish 2-3 respectively.

27 May 2010 8:37 AM


Calvin chose to ride RA, he had already said to the world he thought RA was the best horse he'd ever ridden, why would he give that up. MTB did win the Derby, but if I were a jockey I would go with the filly I thought was the best I'd ever ridden over the 50-1 longshot Derby winner. MTB is a good horse, but Calvin had ridden RA since the Golden Rod, while only riding MTB for the first time in the Derby. JJ did not make Calvin take off MTB, he did not force him, Calvin left on his own free will.

27 May 2010 8:44 AM
Jason Shandler

A lot of interesting comments. Nice info from K Rodgers. Nice to have you aboard Phil McSween. We need more Canadians on here. You guys cant win the Stanley Cup, so you might as well follow horse racing :) Go Flyers.

27 May 2010 9:49 AM
mike rullo


can you ask tom albertrani how good

he thinks cocalero is?? and what do you think of this horse???

27 May 2010 10:19 AM

"Weak field for the Met Mile cv ? You have no idea what you are talking about come back and join us when you do..."

Draynay aka handicapping LEGEND.

26 May 2010 10:37 PM

Why is it toy dogs always yap the loudest?

Anyway, the self-appointed LEGEND should work on his reading comprehension before he comes back and joins us. He was so charged up and ready to yap that he missed the meaning of my doesn't appear there is much in the Met Mile field left TO CHALLENGE Quality Road.

Although, August Song made an interesting prediction didn't he?

27 May 2010 10:24 AM
It aint easy being the truth!

August song you must be in fantasy land if you think QR is going down. He is horse of the year and is going to wax Zenyatta later in the BC crown him now or forever hold your peace.

Jason I am running out of time on big races its almost time for me to pay up. Got one more chance!

27 May 2010 11:05 AM
Phil McSween

Jay...i'm a diehard Chicago Black Hawks fan and have been for 35 years.   Since you're a Flyer fan...wanna put a $50 spot on the series?    You know i'm good for it.  

27 May 2010 11:17 AM
Jason Shandler

A die hard Hawks fan?? You're from Canada! Isnt that Sacrilegious?

I cant make that bet. Hawks are big favorites and will probably win. I will be rooting for Philly, but Im not confident.

27 May 2010 11:22 AM

Am I the only one who is mystified that QR is only carrying 124 against this field?  No matter what Dray thinks, this is not a stellar Met Mile field, and to have the lowest weighted horse carrying only 10 lbs less seems strange to me.  

27 May 2010 11:41 AM

Vic S: So nice to see you back...our boy Victor was born for this Belmont...and won't we enjoy that win?  Can't wait.

To whoever mentioned Bank The Eight, I had him in a hunch play that payed off nicely.  I like him. Mr Prospector, AP Indy, and Alydar...not bad.  Don't know if he's up for this grade of company, however.

27 May 2010 11:43 AM

As far as the Belmont, it's too early.  I have to wait and see what unfolds and who else pulls out before I pick.

The Blackhawks are a pretty scary team considering how young they are.  My favorite team was always Montreal- and I'm from Chicago.

27 May 2010 11:48 AM
Matthew W

HOW does Quality Road manufacture the stamina needed to get the ten furlongs?? He'll romp in the one turn mile--but look at his 10 fur races: fairly close around one turn--nowhere near around two turns, go ahead and plunge! As far as giving him HOY, now?? Nah, doesn't work that way! He'll have to earn that/he'll have to find the stamina to out duel Rail Trip--and hold off the big mare...good luck with that...

27 May 2010 12:07 PM

Jason: please understand that if you live in Toronto, you have two choices:

a) become a die-hard fan of any other city's team, or

b) since it appears that the Leafs only win the Cup during Canadian centenary celebrations, plan to live until 2067, which will be our bi-centennial.

Yup.  It's sad.  Why do you think I'm really into horse racing?  At least SOMETIMES I win.

27 May 2010 12:17 PM
Matthew W

The best horse won last year's Preakness! Is this what it comes down to? Criticizing an owner for showing up with the best horse? No--Mine That Bird was no Triple Crown winner--not by a longshot--either was Real Quiet--by a nose, the racing gods kept him out! Of corse, what they did to Smarty Jones was tough to take, as that horse was some kinda good/not deserving of such a gang up--but that's racing! Only all-time greats win the TC--and little Mine That Bird ain't that--doesn't mean I don't root for him, I love that little closer! Good luck to Birdie and Wayne-o!

27 May 2010 12:18 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if the Belmont "blew my socks off" in the excitement department! I can't help seeing Summer Bird everytime I look at Ice Box. This is a very good developing Zito colt. I do not feel First Dude can move forward off his Preakness. He's still a young, maturing colt at mid-year and I think his enormous effort, at Pimlico, might have taken a bit too much out of him. He'll improve but he needs more time. No predictions, just going to enjoy the race.

27 May 2010 12:45 PM
Phil McSween

Jay, i was hatched in Chicago and rumor has it....i was conceived near the Big least that's why what late Pop told me.   So the U.S. roots are there, plus i still have a lot of family in Chicagoland.   However, i respect your handicapping wisdom in sitting this dance out.   That's what a SMART, JUDICIOUS gambler does.  

I respect the Flyers and expect a tough series.   It could go either way..but i hope it goes the way of the TOMAHAWK.  Good luck to both clubs.  

27 May 2010 12:48 PM
Jason Shandler

Funny stuff mz. Im from Philly, I know all about suffering through championship droughts.

I hear ya Phil. It should be a good series. If the Flyers do win they will make a movie about it some day. Hard to remember a more improbable run at a title.

27 May 2010 1:01 PM

No one is mentioning Uptowncharlybrown, but he has beaten Trappe Shot, one of the best 3 year olds in the country. The hype in this race is focused on Ice Box, but Charly has a chance, simply because people are ignoring him, rather than looking objectively at his races and recent workouts. The minute I see hype, I ignore it. Ice Box and the others are mentioned as if they are guaranteed winners. Not so. The race is grueling, and the so-called annointed colts might not be able to do it. Sham couldn't, and look at Winning Colors...

I'd like to see a late entry of both Lentenor and Blind Luck since I think both would have a great chance. Matz seems paralyzed with fear over Nicanor and Lentenor, and keeps doing oddball things with, running Nicanor in a stakes when he had a prior 5th, and then not continuing with Lentenor's decent Florida Derby performance. The original plan he had was to run Lentenor in the Blue Grass and then The Belmont...Blind Luck is a good closer, and certainly is better than Devil May the Belmont would be interesting with her speed and closing style.

27 May 2010 1:10 PM

Jason: Ha!




Let's talk REAL pain.

(p.s. Stately Victor, MMforM, Ice Box)

27 May 2010 1:29 PM

Agreed Matthew W.  Doesn't Churchill offer a tight 2 turn mile come Breeder's Cup?  I also think Summering in Saratoga is a strange HOY path for QR...and what's with the four month layoff?  This horse is a big question mark as to IF he even makes it to the Breeder's Cup. Yes the Met Mile produced GhostZapper but it also produced a lot of horses that were not "Classic" contenders.  

27 May 2010 1:41 PM

Dray : Stop trying to glorify the met mile, that race is QR's to lose.  If he's really that good, he'll win by at least 10 lengths.  It's a cheap race that TP found for him.  Let's just see if QR is really that good otherwise, his Classic chances will be out the window.  When you start figuring out how to look at races, come back and join us.  This field is weaker than the Donn field.

27 May 2010 1:53 PM
Jason Shandler

mz: The Jays won the series in 91 and 92. Prior to the Phillies 2008 World Series, Philly hadnt had a title since 83 and lost in the finals 6 times in four different sports during that 25-year span. I think we have you beat. Although, Cleveland fans have us all beat.

27 May 2010 1:58 PM

The Met Mile is a nice grade I race to win.  Why wouldn't a trainer point his horse to it if he thought he could win it?  Is Pletcher dodging anyone with QR?  No, he isn't.  WHO IS THERE TO DODGE??

QR has won 2 Grade 1's already and he's set 3 track records.  In 9 starts.  

Now, the truth is the division (at least the boys side of it)is rather soft right now.  But you run against who shows up.  It's not the best field ever assembled but they aren't exactly claimers either.

27 May 2010 2:18 PM
Matthew W

Jason I'm an SF Giants fan--nuthin' my whole life! And my two best friends are Dodgers fans--it's tough!!!

27 May 2010 2:43 PM
Vic S

It's nice to hear from you too Slew.  We will be the ones telling everyone what we've been saying since the beginning, Stately Victor is the real deal.  This Belmont is his!

27 May 2010 2:49 PM

Uptowncharlybrown in the Belmont, but I cannot wait to see QR on Monday.  After the Bruins choke, my Celtics have me nervous.

27 May 2010 3:02 PM
Jason Shandler

Vin: Could you imagine if both the Bruins and Celts choked away 3-0 leads?? That would be awesome!

27 May 2010 3:06 PM


Blind Luck won't be in the Belmont. Her trainer told DRF she's running next in the Hollywood Oaks June 6.

The last I read some time ago, Michael Matz was planning to enter Lentenor in an allowance race and work toward running him in the Travers Stakes.

27 May 2010 3:07 PM
Carlos in Cali

Garish Lines..erra..gary lynn, BURP! stealing signs is pure bush-league. I have nothing personal against Phila.,I've been there: greasy food,mostly terrible weather,horrible race track,bad vibes,obnoxious fans & people stuck in the 80's. Nothing wrong w/that. If you live there,I guess. LOL, Jason,am I right or am I right?

Will someone please let me know when QR wins going 1 1/4,..ZZZzzz.

27 May 2010 3:09 PM
Jason Shandler

Carlos: Food in Philly is very good and weather in no different than rest of Northeast. I agree with you on the racetrack and the fans, though I will say the fans are no different in NY and Boston. It's a Northest thing that I dont care for. Let's just say I'm happy in Lexington.

27 May 2010 3:15 PM

Speaking of Mine That Bird's mention here, the NY Daily News reports that D. Wayne Lukas revealed MTB had a bone chip removed from an ankle last year after the Breeders' Cup Classic.

That certainly was kept quiet. I wonder if he developed it during the BCC or if he had it before then and it just hadn't been detected.

27 May 2010 3:18 PM

Jason, that would be like an undeated football team losing in the Super Bowl.  And we all know that could never happen.

27 May 2010 3:22 PM
Jason Shandler

lol Vin, but hard for me to feel sorry for you guys. 3 Super Bowls, 2 World series and an NBA title this decade. Id be Ok with another long Boston drought. That being said, I think they will finish off the Magic and beat the Lakers again. The Celts are such an unlikable team to an outsider. Pierce and Garnett are punks.

27 May 2010 3:26 PM
Virgil Fox


I'll prolly throw a small action bet on Make Music For Me. I'm still licking my wounds over him busting up my KYD super.

- Peace

27 May 2010 3:33 PM
Carlos in Cali

Jason: I've actually enjoyed my visits to the Northeast(prefer the colder weather actually),plus I was joking about the greasy food--not the track/vibe/fans. :}  I'm Italian/ know how we get down. Tell you what though.. Boston fans ARE the WORST! Hands down. F@#% Boston!

As long as you and yours stay happy is all that matters.

If the Dodgers acquire either Lee or Oswalt,it's over.Start sizing the rings baby.

Any word on IWR's whereabouts & how he's doing?

27 May 2010 3:55 PM
I Davis

Don't know where to begin...first of all Celtics are far from being punks...they are a legend and although lots of their players are over the hill, they may very well go all the way this year.  They are indeed a class act!

With regard to the Belmont, I'll use the same philosophy as I did for the Derby and Preakness this year....go with Slew blood horses...if you need to throw in another "favorite", no problem.  But when in doubt, it's always a good bet to go w/Slew blood horses...we've had lots of them in the Triple Crown this year....either on the Sire's side, but better yet, Slew blood on the dam's side.  Been cashing in tix for a while now...still playing w/the tracks $$$....winning pick 3's, 4's, exactas, and trifectas.  The Belmont, btw, is the best of the 3 races, hands down.  It's the "test of the champions" favorite Belmont being Rags beating out Curlin by a nose...what an awesome race.  Nope...if I could only attend one of the 3 TC races (we attend all 3 each year), it would be the Belmont Stakes for more than one reason, but we love Belmont's the best race track of the 3 TC races, no doubt about it.  Can't wait to be there June 5th!

27 May 2010 3:58 PM

CV : Now that makes me wonder if  that's what prompted the move to Lukas.  I hope MTB is fine and he wins his next race, whatever that may be.

runfast : No one said QR is dodging any horses, but doesn't it make you wonder why the met mile when the goal is the Classic ?  What will a mile race do to help him in the Classic ?  Why not the Foster, at least that's at 1 1/8th.  Until he runs in the Classic distance and wins, I doubt that TP will put him in the Classic.  Even Draynay can probably set a track record against the horses that QR is running against.  His mouth alone runs faster than most of those horses :)  My point is that every trainer right now will avoid facing the top horses in their division, and will wait until the Classic to determine who really is the best.  This is what I've said all along about Team Z, come November, she'll face the best dirt horse from the east along with the best male horse in the west and whoever shows up from europe, asia or mars.

27 May 2010 4:22 PM
I Davis

BTW, IWR just had a good work-out...he seems to be progessing well.  IWR is another w/Slew blood...a great horse...hope he's recovered 100% and can show us what he's made of this year!  :)  

27 May 2010 4:24 PM
Carlos in Cali

BTW: Pierce IS a punk. Even though he's from the LA area,people out here hate him w/a passion.Much like we hate the Celtics. He talks too damn much,but it figures...he lives there. Bring them on! Can't wait!

27 May 2010 4:32 PM

Carlos in Cali,

Relax!  Go have a nice cold beer and enjoy the refs handing the Lakers tonights game!  

27 May 2010 5:08 PM
I Davis

Carlos in Cali - obviously you know a lot about "punks" in CA I'm sure you have your fill of them.  I'll take the Boston "punks" any day over your CA punks...they still have a lot more class than anything from LA!

27 May 2010 5:34 PM
Draynay aka handicapping LEGEND.

jayjay why the Met Mile ?  Why not the Met Mile? did you complain when Ghostzapper ran the race too?

Tim G and August Song HUH ? First Dude won't get 1 1/2 Tim as usual you're dead wrong and August you think ANY horse can beat QR ? I don't even know what to say to you, do you play checkers? Geez.

27 May 2010 6:26 PM
Carlos in Cali


Ha-ha,I'm on it. You mean the same way the refs handed the Suns the last 2 games? That's OK,the defending Champs don't need any stinking help from the zebras.Cheers!

I Davis,

Relax!...'Class' & Boston don't go together. Red Auerbach lighting-up a Stogie after every win is not classy. Belichick sending one of his goons to go spy on the opposing teams is not classy! The rebels disguising themselves as Native Americans while dumping all of that good Tea into the ocean is not classy,LOL.

2 words: Marky Mark...  and the Funky Punks.

Alright,I'm done. Gotta' go slap the Carne Asada on the grill. Peace & bacon grease.

27 May 2010 7:27 PM

I Davis,

I take that as a compliment!

Have a nice weekend!

27 May 2010 7:38 PM
Tim G

Draynay, First Dude looked to me like he was all out. He got caught and almost got caught by JB. He didn't look totally exhausted but it was pretty easy to tell that he put in a heavy duty effort.

For someone who was dismissing him completely, what's this with now talking like he's the second coming of Secretariat?

The field in the Preakness wasn't the greatest. The rigors caught up to SS and of course we're painfully, nauseatingly aware of what happened to Dublin. Ever the optimist Wayne thinks he would have won the race had he not taken a right turn out of the gate. But that's what ifs.  

Lookin at Lucky was just due one from the racing gods.

That aside, I wouldn't say the race had a superstar lineup.

The Belmont seems even weaker yet. I just think in a smaller field, the clean trips will prevail and the most logical of those still standing is Ice Box who had about the 4th worst trip of the ones who had bad trips in the Derby.

Like I said, I'm ambivalent about the race. Will probably send my money elsewhere.

QR? Super Saver is being aimed at the Classic, I have a sneaky suspicion that QR will go in the Mile. Another one who hasn't displayed an affinity for distance, so far anyway.

Weren't you one of the ones grousing when Todd took over his training? Made a comment about how a sprint was no way prep for Rachel?

I've got whiplash from trying to keep up with your nonsense.

Like I said before, you claim to be rich, put your money where your mouth is buy a horse and put it out there for eveyone to see how great at REALLY picking a horse you are.

27 May 2010 7:46 PM
Tim G

Carlos, I don't like Boston much, but do you seriously believe the Lakers and Kobe in particular are the fan favorites???

An LA fan calling Boston players punks, is pretty funny.

27 May 2010 7:48 PM
Tim G

Jason loves Lexington, heck he gets to see one of the best pro basketball teams in the country right in his back yard!


27 May 2010 7:50 PM

I am picking Ice Box, but you never know in Horseracing. Hello@Dustywhipp!-from YT

27 May 2010 7:59 PM

Jayjay, I agree with you mostly.  You have a horse aiming at the Classic and you're prepping in a one mile event.  But I don't think that is necessarily unusual.  He still has time to go a mile and a quarter before the BC.

You might not imply Pletcher specifically is dodging anyone, but you also imply he is along with everyone else:

"My point is that every trainer right now will avoid facing the top horses in their division..."

That's a rather broad, sweeping statement that isn't true.

27 May 2010 8:09 PM
Pedigree Shelly

          I think that Quality Road will dominate the Met Mile ! Like  "runfast 159" said the Met Mile is a prestigeous race. I think the Met Mile is a good race for any stallion prospect to win . Many Met Mile winners have gone on to be sucessful sires. Elusive Quality was an exceptional miler . His son Smarty Jones was lucky to win 2/3 of the TC ! Smarty Jones  truly outran his pedigree . His damsire Smile was a champion sprinter !

27 May 2010 8:11 PM

Yeah, why the met mile ?  What does Ghostzapper have to do with QR ??  Is QR going to ride on GZ's back when he runs in the Classic ??  If QR had won at least ONE of the two 1 1/4 races he ran in last year, then I don't question the met mile but since he's still not proven on the distance, how is a mile race with inferior field going to help him with the Classic ?  This is almost like a blowout workout for QR.  Hopefully he'll run in one more distance race before the Classic after the met, but it seems to me that TP might be babying QR out of concern the quarter might come back.  I mean, a 4 month layoff in the middle of a campaign...that kinda hints at something, don't ya think?

27 May 2010 8:22 PM

@tvnewsbadge-what you have to understand top Jockeys such as Calvin can have options. He chose the better of the 2-RA over MTB. It happens al the time in Horseracing-for some who think Clavin is a traitor for doing so.

27 May 2010 9:12 PM
Draynay aka handicapping LEGEND.

Tim Quality Road was coming off injury last year.  Let Summer Bird race him now and see if he can stay within 10 lengths of QR.  He doesn't want to go 1 1/4 ??? That is just plain nuts and anyone thinking that knows nothing about racing and didn't watch the Donn.  Did it look like 200 more yards would bother him?  Wake up people.  Geez.

27 May 2010 9:25 PM
Pedigree Shelly

           I don't know if anyone feels this way , but it seems like winning the Wood Memorial has been a curse lately ! The last two winners of the Wood were favorites for the Kentucky Derby  then, they are injured ! If I were a trainer of a top Derby contender next year I might think about working around the Wood :(

27 May 2010 9:39 PM
Draynay aka handicapping LEGEND.

Tuscan Evening has won 4 in a row with little problem.  Never bet against a horse who has won 4 in a row.  There is nothing in this race to press him and he goes on to a EASY win again.  Bet him big and place the General along with him on the exacta box.

27 May 2010 9:46 PM
Pedigree Shelly

          Since were all talking about the Met Mile and the Belmont , Does anyone know the name of the colt who won both ?? Clue ... His sire was the " sprinter" Mr. Prospector !!!  :)

27 May 2010 9:55 PM
Ted from LA

Start spreading the news. I'm going to the Belmont after all.  Now I need to get more serious.  Draynay, please give me your Top 9 picks in order.

27 May 2010 10:06 PM
Pedigree Shelly

        I have one more clue about the 3yr old who won the Belmont , FIVE days after winning the Met ! I know you all know this !! Just trying to have some fun ! :)

27 May 2010 10:13 PM


Dave in Dixie pushes Belmont field to 11. Calvin Borel will have the mount, Sadler said.

27 May 2010 10:15 PM
Tim G

He wasn't 'injured'. He had a quarter crack.

I would love to find where you were saying last year that QR was a sprinter and Todd wasn't getting him ready with the race at Saratoga blah blah blah. I don't have time to look and you just deny all your BS anyway.

You just absolutely proved you are the one who knows NOTHING about horse racing. If there's no difference between a mile and 1 1/4 why don't horses just cross over and run in whatever? Most horses have a distance they prefer, few are versatile enough to win at varying distances.

Just like you preaching about Rachel getting a distance last year? Some of the greatest in the game say she 'was' a winner at 1 1/8, beyond that it was questionable.

You jump around on horses so much and think you know so much, yet bet on the favorite, the horse of the 'moment' or the bandwagon horse.

Like I said, you know so much about racing, are such an expert, know how to pick out the best ones. Put your money where your mouth is 'big man'. LOL

Shelly, the Wood isn't the most productive race. Look at what has come out of it and what they did in the Derby. Funny Cide, the exception. I think that's good advice to stay away.

27 May 2010 10:28 PM

I really don't get why people are acting as if QR is that bad at anything over 9 furlongs. SB was at his very best in the Travers and JCGC and caught a wet track in both races. QR, in the Travers had one sprint race in four months as a prep, and still wasn't probably being asked for his best in the JCGC, where he was a close second. He has not shown any signs that he disliked the ten furlongs, he did not fade badly in either race he had at the distance. He lost to a horse who was getting very good and had some more bottom to him at that point.

27 May 2010 10:41 PM
Jason Shandler

Dray: Before a)calling yourself a "legend" and b)handicapping a race, it would help to know the sex of the horse you are touting. Tuscan Evening is a female. Geez

27 May 2010 10:53 PM
Draynay aka handicapping LEGEND.

Tim, if you don't know a quarter crack can be a very debilitating injury then there is no helping you. LDP, you are 100% right and Tim continues to show why he is still a rank beginner.  Keep the training wheels on Tim I would hate to see you tip over and scrape your knee.

27 May 2010 11:00 PM
Pedigree Shelly

         Tim G , I did not !  mean the Wood was the most productive race for Derby contenders ! I meant it's been unlucky for the past two colts that have won the Wood ! I think one of the most productive Derby races of lately has been the Tampa Bay Derby ! Super Saver was third in the TBD this year and won ,also Street Sense won the TBD and the Derby ! TBD used to be my home track , untill I moved to the Cincinnati area ! Now it's Turfway !

27 May 2010 11:10 PM
Tim G

Jason, gender identification is the LEAST of his worries.

Cracks me up how he trashes you on your picks then jumps on the bandwagon of a colt you were all over, a day later and the horse was ALLLLLL his idea...

LDP sorry, don't want to be mean or laugh but could you have come up with one more cliche?

Todd himself said QR wasn't as bad as he appeared in the JCGC. Another issue, the 'acting up' maybe he's outgrown it but look where he's winning his races, GP, speed favoring enough that Todd was crying about it when QR beat HIS horse in 09. That and a sprint at Saratoga.

For Todd's sake I hope he does well. But, the BC is a LONG way away and who knows? However he should start progressing and moving up in distance if the Classic is the real goal.

27 May 2010 11:27 PM

Yeah, although the Belmont doesn't have the 'better' background stories (Uptown & Zito are pretty much it), I'm still excited! I like Ice Box, First Dude, Stately Victor and Fly Down.

-hmb0725, Hannah from TX

27 May 2010 11:27 PM

I want to take a minute to remember why I love this sport.  I love this sport because I'm passionate, first and foremost, about the horses that give their heart and souls on the track.  And tragically the price for that is sometimes paid with a life as well...

So with that in mind I would like to honor Preciado who lost his life during the running of the 7th race at Golden Gate today, and to his connections who I know loved and cared for him dearly.  My thoughts are with you all tonight....

27 May 2010 11:52 PM

Quarter cracks in this day and age do not tend to stop a horse from running.  Not like back in the day when they had to wait for it to grow out.  They have little things called patches now that seem to work very well.

As far as Quality Road winning at 10 furlongs, we will see.  I would have to say at this time he will need to have everything go his way- sort of like Precisionist.  If he becomes as good as Precisionist- more power to him.  But he hasn't run into a horse as good as Greinton or Turkoman or Lady's Secret or even Gate Dancer yet, so we will have to see who he runs against after the Met.

27 May 2010 11:58 PM

Conquistador Cielo won both sired by Mr Prospector, but Arts and Letters did also.

28 May 2010 12:00 AM

Tim G, IWR was injured.  QR had the quarter crack.  I know, it gets confusing.

Regarding the Ghostzapper comment JayJay, I think the point with that comparison is that Ghostzapper is a pretty nice horse that won the Met Mile and the BC Classic, though not in the same year.  However, GZ used the 7 furlong Tom Fool as a stepping stone to a mile and a quarter.  So again, it's certainly not an uncommon approach to take.

I do wonder why the 4 months between races.  But I think I recall right after the Donn that Pletcher said he would be "off" until around May.

28 May 2010 12:04 AM

Tuscan Evening is a total throw out and not just because Draynay touted her but he touted her as "him" lol.  TE has won 4 G3/G2 races.  I'm betting my money on Gotta Have Her and Forever Together.  Of course, I'm also a longshot player but I don't know if TE can handle this caliber yet...she needs to win a G1 before I jump on the wagon.

28 May 2010 12:21 AM

Tim G, apologies in advance, I thought your comment was in response to Pedigree Shelly, but I see you were responding to Draynay... the Handicapping Legend in His Own Mind!  I guess its me who can't keep things straight.  

28 May 2010 12:36 AM

Pedigree Shelley: Conquistador Cielo.  An outstanding training feat by the great Woody Stephens, one of my all time favorite trainers!

28 May 2010 12:37 AM

LDP : Where do you get the impression that people think QR is that bad at over 9 furlongs ?  I think most comments about QR are really a question of whether he can handle the Classic distance.  Draynay crowned him as HOTY but I'm sure he'll change his mind when a new "hot" horse comes along before the Classic.  I would love to see QR run against Zenyatta in the Classic, along with Rail Trip, MTB, IceBox, LAL, RA, Blame, Battle Plan, and a few of the top european horses.  That should be the best of the world.  Whichever east coast horse that finishes the highest behind Zenyatta will win the HOTY :)

28 May 2010 1:24 AM
August Song

I would suggest people may want to review some past history. A half-brother to Convocation upset a Metropolitan field and Pletcher's Lawyer Ron in the process, and paid a healthy price at the windows. His name: Corinthian. As Casey Stengel used to say, "You could look it up."

And while others have awarded Quality Road a walkover in the Metropolitan Mile, I suggest he might be vulnerable. First, while I consider him a good horse (He was my selection to win the Derby last year), most horses lose once in awhile. I believe Quality Road's preferred racetrack is not Belmont. He will be tested. This is no walkover.

I would also suggest that people watch Convocation's Westchester race, and observe how not to ride a horse to win a race. It was a very weirdly run race. I was impressed enough that Jimmy Jerkens was kind, and made the exact comment to what I thought, in an interview. He then made an appropriate rider change. Kent Desormeaux picks up the mount. Guess who rode Corinthian in his Metropolitan Mile win? Yep, the same. All the connections are the same. Will history repeat itself? Time will tell. I believe Convocation is also an extremely talented horse who, on occasion, has flashed glimmers of putting it all together, much the same way Corinthian was. Pulpits all seem to be head cases until you, and they, figure it out.

I think the media will have a lot to comment about on Tuesday. Have fun and Good Luck!

28 May 2010 6:40 AM
Draynay aka handicapping LEGEND.

Tim get a grip.  Some guy named Jerkens said Quality Road is nearly impossible to beat!  Maybe he knows more then you I'm not sure but since he can talk I am sure he knows more then you.  In other words if the jockey stays on the horse you can't beat him.  Sit back and enjoy another legend like me.  His name is Quality Road.  The G1 Met Mile is just another step to winning the Classic and HOY.

28 May 2010 7:44 AM
Ted from LA

Leave Dray alone.  Why would he care if a horse is male or female?  He's a gelding.

28 May 2010 7:52 AM
Fran Loszynski

To the owners of Afleet Express:

Is there any chance you can get Afleet Express into the Belmont TC Race? I watched his race again and I felt like I was watching Afleet Alex. Afleet Express could win the Belmont. He has the strength and speed not to mention the heart. He is awesome.  Please enter him, he can do it!

28 May 2010 7:55 AM

Can we all agree that the NBA got what they wanted, playoff games over the weekend.

Tim G,

Never occurred to me that QR would run in the BC Mile.  Great call if it should happen.  If RA runs in the classic, who will Borel ride? Yes, I know Nov is still a long way off.  

I actually think that with eleven horses in the Belmont it might end up being a nice betting race.  Everyone will be all over the two Zito horses and Dray's new binky, First Dude.

At least we Beantown nolonger have to put up with Pitino and Calipari. LOL........

28 May 2010 8:14 AM

Dray: "Never bet against a horse who has won 4 in a row."  You mean like Caracortado or Sidney's Candy?

Most revealing prep races...the Rebel (LAL & Super Saver) and Toyota Blue Grass.( Vic, POP, and First Dude).

I really like Stately Victor to win the Belmont, but everytime I see First Dude and his big knobby knees, I just can't help thinking about Seattle Slew. (Who won the Wood and the Triple Crown.)

When someone says, eliminate the Wood because the past 2 years have produced a winner that failed to be in the gate in Derby day,that's the type of logic then begs the question, do you then eliminate the Triple Crown races because we haven't had a winner in 32 years?

Silly!  Now, I've had Derby Fever, got my Preak on, and anxiously await the spicey scent of the carnations.  Go Vic!

28 May 2010 9:37 AM

First Dude and Ice Box won't be in the money in the Belmont.

Look for a longshot.

28 May 2010 10:58 AM
Greg J.

Pedigree Shelly ,

    I believe their has been five that have won both the Met Mile & The Belmont?  Three were in the same year, Conquistador Cielo in 1982 and Arts and Letters in 1969(Held at Aqueduct), And Sword Dancer in 1959.  Quite impressive for all three to come back in a week and take The Belmont!  The two others that won The Met a year after winning The Belmont were, Gallant Man in 1957 and 1958, Native Dancer in 1953 and 1954...

28 May 2010 11:12 AM

Although I bet on Ice Box in the Derby, I have an inkling that Spangled Star may be approaching a big effort. He should relish the distance, and is getting better with each start. Enough speed to track the pace setters, and the pedigree to grind it out to the finish.


28 May 2010 11:40 AM

QR won't get 1 1/8 and 1 1/2 mile ovals come Breeder's Cup day.  There has to be something graded back east this summer (Oaklawn?) that would give him a 2 turn mile.  

28 May 2010 11:56 AM
Fran Loszynski

To Gary Stevens: Point Given future Hall of Fame Saratoga

I remember watching you tear up when you visited Point Given. You can forget about the loss you feel was your fault now.

You should feel so proud of your rides on this great horse. Now he will be a Hall of Famer like you! I'm sure you had alot to do with his success.  A racehorse knows when he's loved and you love him. Maybe you can share stories some day as old timers about the Hall of Fame! You were a great jockey Gary. I always bet when you rode.

28 May 2010 11:57 AM
Vic S - Stately Victor's #1 Fan

Well, I am happy to say that unlike the vast majority of you the Belmont will be my favorite TC race this year, a nice smaller field with IMHO the best field this year for a 3 year old race.  9, 10, maybe 11 horses going a 1 1/2(all of which are fresh and fit, no KY+Preakness horses) with no stampede and no pressure for a TC chance, thats what racing is all about.  Sometimes we get too caught up in a TC chase and forget about all the other horses in the race.  Don't get me wrong, I love someone trying for the TC but unlike so many years before when there was no chance at a TC, my favorite horse is actually in the race!  Can't wait till the 5th other than the fact that I actually have work that day  :  (, but I'll be home by 11AM so it won't make a difference.  Stately Victor by 8 or more, in sub 227.  :  )

28 May 2010 11:59 AM

Gun Bow, Eskendereya was the 1st horse in decades to have the potential to win the TC. His breeding is top notch, his running style amazing. The horse was never touched or urged in any race & still won by 8 & 9 lenghts. When he crossed the finish lines he was unlathered & unspent, with a look on his face & demeanor of a horse who just wanted to continue to run. He is the most amazing horse we have seen in many years.He would have been one of the best to have ever run in the Tc.

28 May 2010 12:11 PM
Jersey Boy

Uptowncharlybrown~ I want to stick it to those snobby NY Horse people!

28 May 2010 12:24 PM
Matthew W

Noy saying he can't get the 1 1/4--I'm saying he HASN'T gotten the 1 1/4!...yes, Quality Road finished "close" in the one-turn JC Gold--of corse he was in front of Summer Bird, running into a slow pace, and Birdie ran by under very little urging, while Quality was being shown the whip--not saying he can't get the distance, I am saying 1 1/4 is not his preferred Congaree/like Precisionist, there are just horses who are a bit better at a bit shorter distances--and given an honest pace scenario in the BC Classic, I am saying Quality Road will be "up against it"--that is all I'm saying, bet big, if you disagree, I will always let a horse like that beat me--just like I will let a stone cold closer like Ice Box beat me in the Belmont--not saying he can't win/I'm saying I'll let him beat me, that is why they run the races/that is why we wait to annoint a horse--I just would like to see it first!

28 May 2010 12:28 PM

quality road can go a 1 1/4 he was second in the gold cup to summer bird and was re rallying.

28 May 2010 12:38 PM

Don't count out Drosselmeyer just yet.  He IS being ridden by Kent Desermeoux and HE is well known for upsetting the Belmont Stakes with a longshot.  Just a thought.

28 May 2010 12:55 PM
Tim G

What? Jimmy can talk? Yes I know, I've talked with him.

He's an excellent horseman, very cautious, maybe overly.

Depends on how bad the quarter crack is to what degree it inhibits a horse and his training.

The stuff coming from you is ludicrous. As I tried to write, I doubt you've ever even seen a quarter crack up close and in person.

Talking about rank beginners? Buffoonery and bombast doesn't qualify you as any kind of expert. The proof is in the pudding and YOU are the one proclaiming yourself as a legend. Betting on favorites, jumping on Jason's picks, pretending like you know something/anything? Doesn't make you a legend. Also doesn't make you know that it isn't THEN it's THAN. geez that is so ignorant.

Anyway, get back with me when you've developed a horse, bought one, bred and raised one, run one in a race, any race it doesn't even have to be a G1 like mine have run in. Then you can tell me all about it from your level of expertise.

runfast???? LOL Yes I was talking to Draynay. I understand, no problem, he confuses a lot of people with his gibberish.

I was telling Shelly that I agreed with her.....

28 May 2010 12:58 PM

I thought Drosselmeyer was being ridden by Mike Smith.  When did Kent D get the ride?  

28 May 2010 3:37 PM

Marilyn : Just an FYI, Drosselmeyer is being ridden by Mike Smith.

runfast : As I've mentioned before, if QR already has won on the distance, it wouldn't matter to me if he runs in 6 furlong races coming up to the Classic.  But yes, there's a long time between the Met Mile and the Classic so maybe he'll run in a longer race before the Classic, at least I hope so.

Slew : I think you misread Shelly's comments about the Wood.  She was saying that the Wood seems to be putting bad luck to its winner with regards to making it to the Derby.  The last 2 winners of the Wood came up injured before the Derby.  She was just saying to maybe AVOID it when prepping for the Derby, she never said to eliminate the race.

28 May 2010 3:39 PM
Jim Bo

Like many of you I like Ice Box, Fly Down and First Dude...however, if Make Music for Me is not just an off-track or synthetic surface horse, he should be given a long look.  His move in the Derby was impressive and if the jock hadn't started him so early, he would have possibly finished better.  I think he's sitting on one if he can handle a fast dirt track.  And, if the track comes up wet, he has a big chance.

28 May 2010 3:57 PM

i think stay put will make some noise in the belmont

28 May 2010 4:15 PM

I agree Matthew, QR will at least be 2-5 in that race.  I would never play that kind of odds.  It doesn't pay.  I will however put a lot of money on IceBox, he won't be that heavy as the favorite, in fact, FD might take in more money than IceBox because Draynay is touring the states touting this horse as his superstar, which is fine by me.  I think he'll bounce, Preakness was a long race and pretty hot fractions, if his size can carry him moving forward then I'll lose a lot of money but I'm taking IceBox and MMFM with Stay Put, SV, Fly Down.  I'll probably put First Dude in the 4th hole to complete my super.  The other Dude and Charly will take FD on very early, they'll probably go 24 and 48, IceBox can easily handle those fractions.  He'll be a lot closer this time and have multiple targets when he cruises home on the stretch run.  He'll probably run the same way Summer Bird won the Belmont, close to the pace and blow by them on the stretch.

I'll check out the live blog next Friday and maybe some of Jason's guest hosts will have insight on how FD and the other horses are doing and how they look.  I'll also check out the parade and see if he looks unbeatable or unbettable :)

28 May 2010 5:04 PM

Don't count out Drosselmeyer just yet.  He IS being ridden by Kent Desermeoux and HE is well known for upsetting the Belmont Stakes with a longshot.  Just a thought.

Marilyn 28 May 2010 12:55 PM

Horse Trainer Jockey Owner Breeder

 Drosselmeyer William Mott Mike Smith WinStar Farm Aaron U. Jones & Marie D. Jones (KY)

28 May 2010 5:53 PM
Ida Lee

Have you all seen Quality Road lately? He looks GORGEOUS, the epitome of good health (physical and mental) and muscular like a Greek god. I say the Met is his for the taking. On the other hand, ever since at any given time I picked just about every horse in the 09 Derby except Mine That Bird to win, I've been careful about ignoring long-shots in these big races. Musket Man is running in the Met and there is something about this horse that says "ignore me at your own risk". Still, I'm betting the farm on QR (knowing I can always move in with my mother).

28 May 2010 6:05 PM

That's an interesting addition to the Mile Ida.  You're still betting the farm ??  Good luck to ya :)

I'm goin for a shot, I want to see QR handle the deep surface at Belmont first, it's a lot different than GP.  I think there's going to be a giant killing happening on Monday.  If I'm right, I'm gonna be rich and I'll buy a farm :)  If not, I'll move in with your mother too.

28 May 2010 6:57 PM

JayJay...if you avoid the Wood, no contenders=no race=elimination.  How many other horses who weren't in the Wood turned up lame before the Derby in the past 2 years....quite a few.  Running in the Wood had nothing to do with it.  It remains a ridiculous supposition.

28 May 2010 7:51 PM

Well yeah, if no one goes to the Wood yes, but whoever thinks that NO ONE will go to the Wood is ridiculous themselves.  Did you even read her comment?  She said the trainers of the TOP CONTENDERS should consider not taking the Wood route...I don't think it's a Wood curse either but you took it way out of context, I just think it's a coinkidink.   You're a little tooooo sensitive about this issue, let me assure, NO ONE will touch the Wood Memorial, okay ?  You can relax now :)

28 May 2010 8:13 PM
Pedigree Shelly

   Jayjay ,Thank you for clafifying my response about the Wood :) Conquistador Cielo was the most impressive winner of the Met Mile / Belmont I think ! Thanks to all who have responded ! August Song , Thank You for bringing up previous Met Mile Corinthian ! I remember betting on him in The Fountain of Youth , he was disqualified for his antics in the stretch ! I think JJ Castellano was riding him then ?

28 May 2010 9:19 PM
Pedigree Shelly

            Slew , calm down ! I watch the Wood every year ! It is an important race for the classics! The pass two years it seems to have been the " kiss of death " to I want Revenge and Eskendereya ! It should not be avoided ! Sorry to make it seem that way !

28 May 2010 9:34 PM

Question to the owners/breeders out there : Are we really having a shortage of horses across the country due to well, there's lesser horses in general actively racing or are they going to specific tracks (like Monmouth) because of the large purses.  I just read a short article that Churchill Downs is having a hard time filling their race cards even after eliminating their wednesday racing.  I don't know where to begin to research the answer...maybe someone can edumacate me.

28 May 2010 9:57 PM

Shelly-no problem, but I think my point was that plenty of other contenders bowed out of the Derby in the weeks before due to injury, and they weren't in the Wood.  I thought the Wood field this year was very small, and I was disappointed in it.  

29 May 2010 8:11 AM
Pedigree Shelly

         Slew, Sorry about the misunderstanding . There are way too many injuries,no matter what surface horses are racing on . Horses these days are becoming way too fragile !

29 May 2010 2:28 PM

gentlemen:   after calling the

trifecta in the kentucky derby and the superfecta in the preaknessm

you might want to heed the

desert wizard:

expect a slow pace at the belmont,

a true gentleman's jog: last man


surprise!!!!   SPANGLED STAR

30 May 2010 9:18 AM

On the Met:  Lots of early speed and I'm gonna go out on a limb with it.  If Borel let's Warrior's Reward run his race, I think he's in there to pick up some pieces.  I gotta take him over QR, and throw Musket Man in there for the tri.

31 May 2010 9:26 AM
Jim Bo

If the Belmont is run on a fast track, I don't think anyone is going to beat Ice Box, Fly Down, or First Dude.  Make Music For Me appears to be a synthetic, slop, or turf horse, so if the track comes up sloppy that's where some of my money is going.  Forget all the rest of the pretenders.

31 May 2010 11:26 AM

Dubai Dave- Alot of us here are not guys.

31 May 2010 3:49 PM

Belmont Superfecta Box: This is based on my evaluation of the best pedigree scores for the distance (the lower the number the more percieved stamina).

Dave In Dixie (0.77)

Uptowncharlybrown ((0.80)

Ice Box (0.82)

Spangled Star (0.83)

Alternates: Game On Dude (0.86) and Stay Put (0.86)

Based on my projection of the pace scenario, I think an improving Spangled Star comes out on top.


01 Jun 2010 11:36 AM

Listed below are the stamina numbers for the potential Belmont entrants. The numbers are derived from an evaluation (application) of the female influences within the pedigree (Modern Conduit Mares). The lower the number the more perceived stamina. Also listed are the tail female (Conduit Mare) aptitudinal designations and significant winners tracing to the conduit mare.

• Interactif (1.21) Dona Cecilia (B/C) CCA Oaks winner, My Flag. Two Broodmares of the Year.

• Spangled Star (0.83) Hamburg Belle (I) Florida Oaks winner, Anklet, G1 SW Bullsbay, multiple graded stakes winner, Grecian Flight.

• First Dude (1.10) Rambling Rose (B/P) A.P. Indy, Lemon Drop Kid, Summer Squall. Two Broodmares of the Year.

• Drosselmeyer (1.02) Consuelo (B) G2 stakes winner Hawkins Special, Multiple graded stakes winner Golden Ballet.

• Ice Box (0.82) Doxa (B/P) via LaTroienne's half sister Adargatis. Three Kentucky Derby winners, three Preakness winners, two CCA Oaks winners, one St Leger stakes winner, and two Broodmares of the year trace to Doxa via LaTroienne. Kentucky Derby winner Spend A Buck, 'Arc winner Ardan, and Jockey Club stakes winner Pardal trace to Doxa via Adargatis.

• Make Music For Me (0.92) Slippers (C/S) Graded stakes winners, Champagne Charlie, Lady Dulcinea, Heavenly Cause, Queen of Wilshire, El Basco, and Bounding Basque (who equaled a track record for 10 furlongs).

• Stately Victor (1.27) Court Dress (B/C) Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner Charismatic, Belmont Stakes winner Go and Go, 2000 Guineas winners Refuse To Bend and Rock of Gibraltar, and G1 winner, Champion two-year-old, and leading sire, Deputy Minister.

• Game On Dude (0.86) Paraffine Lass (S) Preakness winner Master Derby, Oaks Stakes and St Leger winner Sun Princess, and St Leger Stakes winner Millenary.

• Dave in Dixie (0.77) Adana (I/S) CCA Oaks winner, Horse of the Year, and Hall-of-Fame winner, Twilight Tear, G1 stakes placed winner and sire Stolen Gold, and graded stakes winner Nightmare Affair.

• Stay Put (0.86) Last Line (I/C) Graded stakes winners Top Corsage, Single Dawn (won 12 stakes), Doremisollatido, Croeso, Ide, Super Max, and Slewpy.

• Fly Down (1.04) Tangle (B/S) G1 winner Giant's Causeway and his brother Freud, G1 winner Leroidesanimaux, Graded stakes winners It's Your Pleasure, Leroy S, Banks Hill, Champs Elysees, So Factual, and Hawksley Hill. Irish Champion two-year-old filly Sooker, American Champion two-year-old filly Dearly Precious, and SW Promising Lead (3 wins at 10 furlongs).

• Uptowncharlybrown (0.80) Frizette (B/P) Too many to list individually. Triple Crown winner Seattle Slew leads the list. All told there are three 'Arc winners, two Kentucky Derby winners, two 2000 Guineas winners, an Epsom Derby winner, a Preakness winner, a Breeders Cup Classic winner a CCA Oaks winner, a St Leger winner, and two broodmares of the Year.

My superfecta box will be: Dave in Dixie, Uptowncharlybrown, Ice Box, and Spangled Star.

Looking for a price, I will probably bet Spangled Star to win.


02 Jun 2010 2:19 PM

COLDFACTS.......where are you???

02 Jun 2010 10:27 PM

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