Uncle Mo's Booty Call

Uncle Mo, the likely champion 2-year-old male and our early Kentucky Derby (gr. I) favorite, has taken up residence in Todd Pletcher's barn at Palm Meadows in Boynton Beach, Fla. The son of Indian Charlie has been there since Dec. 8 where he has settled in nicely and recently returned to light training after getting some farm time in Ocala.

Uncle Mo's owner, Mike Repole, said on Monday that his star 3-year-old will likely have his first breeze back in three weeks and will have two preps before the Derby. The last one will be in the Wood Memorial (gr. I) on April 9 at Aqueduct. It seems likely that the first one could be in the Tampa Bay Derby (gr. II) on March 12, though that will be determined by how he trains.

Repole was at Palm Meadows to see Mo on Monday and snapped a few photos that he was kind enough to share with us. As you can see by the first one, Mo's favorite snack is not apples, carrots, or peppermints, but smart puffs. And not just any smart puffs. It has to be Pirate's Booty brand.

Repole, who back in 2007 sold Vitaminwater for $4.1 billion, now owns Pirate Brands, a healthy snack food company. Repole said Mo gets all the smart puffs he wants these days (they are all natural, of course), provided he keeps winning. If he loses, it's back to vegetables like all of the other horses.

Repole wanted me to make sure fans had all access to the Derby favorite, so I'm providing links to his Facebook and Twitter pages. Be sure to check back often to find out all the important details of Mo's daily schedule, including his snacking habits and birthday plans.

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ezevans

Thanks for the post and the pics.  Love this horse and appreciate his owner opening the doors to his fans!

04 Jan 2011 12:38 PM
just me

Thanks Mike for letting the fans know what's up with Uncle Mo.

04 Jan 2011 1:26 PM
Susan Kube

I am a big fan of Unc Mo. I was soo excited to see him at the Breeders Cup He sure had my bets!  Thank-you,Mike for sharing these pics of my Ky Derby favorite  Susan

04 Jan 2011 1:29 PM
Trebloc

If your gonna have a snack, why have a healthy one?  Ha!  

Uncle Mo will be living the good life when his racing days are finished.  

Let me know when The 2011 Kentucky Derby winner Brethren, has a facebook page.        

04 Jan 2011 1:32 PM
SPLITS OF 12

What a beautiful looking horse. I was afforeded the opportunity to see him in the paddock before the BC Juvenile. I couldn't believe how good he looked up close. A true physical specimen, all racehorse. After the race he looked like he wasn't even breathing. He destroyed a good field of two-year olds, and is now the horse to beat. I have a strange feeling Pletcher/Repole are going to be kicking themselves when Mo comes up short in the Derby, because he only had two prep races. The recent trend suggests that Mo will be fine with just two preps, as the last four winners of the Derby have succeded under these conditions. But I'm looking for that trend to reverse this season, and I'll go with a horse who has had 3 or 4 prep races leading up to that first Saturday in May.        

04 Jan 2011 1:34 PM
AnneMq

Uncle Mo has a great FB page. I love his party hat. He is a very exciting colt and I look forward to his first race in 2011.

04 Jan 2011 1:53 PM
predict

Uncle Mo is not a very visually imposing figure, actually very docile looking, which could be important as he continues to learn on the Derby trail. His victory in the BCJ was about as impressive as I've seen, reminding me somewhat of Arazi's victory in 1991 (has it really been 19 years?).

In the days leading up to the Kentucky Derby, the press talked about nothing except Arazi, and the racing world speculated as to whether the superhorse would remain in the United States in an attempt to win the Triple Crown or be shipped back to Europe to try to become the first Kentucky Derby champion to ever win England's Epsom Derby. The New York Times called the colt "mythical and almost mystical" and even TIME magazine wrote, "Arazi is fast winning a reputation as the second coming of Secretariat". Joe Hirsch, the respected founder and first president of the National Turf Writers Association and a multi award-winning columnist with the New Jersey-based Daily Racing Form was quoted by TIME as saying: "He [Arazi] is such an extraordinary animal that he makes other great horses look like hacks."

1992 Kentucky Derby

For the 118th running of the Kentucky Derby on May 2, 1992, Arazi drew post position #17 in the large field of 18. The extremely difficult placement meant he would begin the race from an auxiliary starting gate far to the outside of the track. Despite the severe handicap of starting so far back in such a large field of horses, confident bettors wagered as much on Arazi to win as was wagered on all other seventeen horses combined.

Having raced only once in the previous seven months, from the start of the race the overly energetic colt had to be kept in check by his jockey. Sitting near the back of the pack, once past the ¾ Mile pole Arazi made the kind of explosive move he was famous for. Running eight horses wide, and mirroring his dramatic performance in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile, the colt flew past horse after horse with ABC television announcer Dave Johnson suddenly exclaiming "Arazi is flying! - Arazi is gaining ground with every stride!" The crowd roared with expectation as the superhorse stormed into third place, tightly bunched with the leaders. As they approached the home stretch, instead of easily pulling away as he had always done, Arazi tired badly and faded to finish a shocking 8th. Lil E. Tee, an unheard of colt and an 18:1 longshot, won the most prestigious race in America.

The intelligentsia's post-mortem of Arazi's performance was one of dismay. All agreed that his knee surgery had in fact affected the horse's ability. Some blamed his poor showing on the colt having been limited to only one easy prep race on soft grass before the Derby while others said he was a "mile" horse and the Derby's extra ¼ mile was too much. The stunning upset even spawned a book, The Longest Shot: Lil E. Tee and the Kentucky Derby by Baltimore Sun sportswriter and racing commentator, John Eisenberg.

Returned to France, Arazi raced four more times. Although he won the Grade II Prix du Rond Point, he was never the same. His final race was a return to the U.S. where faithful fans made him the 3:2 betting favorite in the Breeders' Cup Mile at Gulfstream Park.

 I always have remembered from Arazi's race the importance of having enough preps to win at the distance of the Derby, and whether it was his lack of preps, or his surgery to remove knee chips, we can only assume what might have been.

 The reason I mention Arazi at all , is because of the high knee action that Uncle Mo displayed while making his move in the BCJ, reminding of how Arazi looked, and what became a knee chip problem in him.

04 Jan 2011 2:02 PM
Zen's Auntie

So cool that Mike R is encouraging fans - my kids love MO just look at that dark handsom face!!!

04 Jan 2011 2:04 PM
Draynay

I will be there to cheer him on in March !  Go Mo Go !

04 Jan 2011 2:17 PM
aspradling

Whoo! Pirates Booty and Uncle Mo...plus excellent entrepreneurship from Mike Repole. I'm on the Band Wagon, triple crown or bust.

04 Jan 2011 2:34 PM
Billy's Empire

Hey Professor.

What's another name for pirate treasure?

Well I think it's Booty, Booty!

Name that album!!

04 Jan 2011 2:40 PM
Deborah

Thanks! Providing personal info about a horse naturally creates more interest in that horse for the general public.  This is what horse racing needs!  

04 Jan 2011 2:58 PM
Jason Shandler

Promoting and marketing a talented and popular horse...What a concept. Mike has the right idea.

04 Jan 2011 3:03 PM
Lmaris

@predict - I have my doubts about his future prospects but less due to any high knee action.  Skip Away ran with far higher action and retired sound after a far longer career.  

My concern is his size and maturity and how he'll fare when his classmates grow up.  There is a reason only one BC Juvenile Champion has won the roses - horses develop at different rates and the early ones rarely are the best later in their careers.

But I wish him the best.  Love his temperament too.

04 Jan 2011 3:16 PM
Jan

I love this horse. So excited to see he has a facebook page. Thanks so much for the pictures.

04 Jan 2011 3:25 PM
DinkyDiva

I think it's great that they're allowing the fans to be more involved with Uncle Mo!  Now, if we can get other trainers and owners to follow suit.

I really like Mo but, we all know, things can happen between now and May!

I don't really agree with only 2 preps but, who am I to say,right?!!

Let the Derby trail begin!!

04 Jan 2011 3:29 PM
sodapopkid

Mike Repole is taking a page out of the Moss's book. Allowing the fans access to their horses is good PR, its excellent PR.  I think Mike you are doing the best thing, it makes a world of difference.

Fans love to see their favorite horses on a daily basis,  It keeps them in on things,   John Sheriffs and the Mosses do it. I think all should,  I guess only some care to be this involved.   Thank god some have heart for their horses fans.

04 Jan 2011 3:46 PM
Ranagulzion

Head nor shoulder , knee nor toe

nothing stopping Uncle Mo!!!

04 Jan 2011 3:46 PM
MD Reynolds

Thank you, Mike, for keeping the fans up to date on your spectacular colt! Looking forward to seeing him run this spring.

Fans love to stay in touch w/their favorite horses. The Sherriffs & Mosses have done an excellent job w/Zenyatta. Something J.Jackson could have learned from. I'll never understand the whisking away of Rachel A. & am very disappointed by it. She had legions of fans who would love to view photos of her at her new residence.

Kudos to Mike Repole!

04 Jan 2011 4:20 PM
hoofprintsandhorseplay

Way to go Trebloc - putting down Mr Repole for promoting his horse.

He looks like one of the most 'fun loving' owners in the game from these pic's. Yeah he was promoting the snack as much as the horse - but that's what made him a Billionaire!!

Brethren is a nice colt, but he's way down on my Derby Dozen. A long shot for sure.

I think Uncle Mo like 98%of all three year olds , will get the staggers in that 10th furlong.

To Honor and Serve might be 'the Boss' on Derby Day.

04 Jan 2011 4:26 PM
Dani

Now this is the way you promote racing if you are looking to entice new fans. If a trend could get started along these lines - maybe the newbies would stick around and learn what a great sport racing really is. Way to go Mike and Mo. And go Mo go at the KD.

04 Jan 2011 4:29 PM
Runfast159

I have long been a fan of Mike Repole and I could not be happier for his succes with Uncle Mo.  The racing industry needs many, many more owners like him. Not just because of his enthusiasm for the game and the access he is granting us to Uncle Mo, but for the way he genuinely cares about his horses.  He's someone who puts his money where is mouth is.

04 Jan 2011 4:34 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Booty call? That title threw me for a loop. I thought they just retired him !!!!!!!

04 Jan 2011 4:42 PM
tcc

Head nor shoulder , knee nor toe

nothing stopping Uncle Mo!!!

Ranagulzion 04 Jan 2011 3:46 PM

Arch may carry him? (or)

Indian Charlie may stop him?

04 Jan 2011 5:18 PM
Mike Relva

RANAGULZION

If I didn't know better you think this horse is made out of steel than flesh and bone.

04 Jan 2011 5:24 PM
Trebloc

Why do I have a funny feeling that the Shandler clan is receiving a lifetime supply of Pirate's Booty?  Ha!

04 Jan 2011 5:26 PM
Jodie

Way to go Mike.  What a concept, an owner enjoying his horse and sharing with the fans.  Been taking lessons from Zenyatta?

04 Jan 2011 5:28 PM
Betsy

Any idea when Stay Thirsty will have his first work?

04 Jan 2011 5:50 PM
Rolene

IT'S so good to see when a horse is so loved. Hope it stays that way.:)

04 Jan 2011 6:05 PM
tlamarra

I'm with Drunkinbum. When I read the headline I thought, well, never mind. Great photos though. A different kind of update. ...

04 Jan 2011 6:36 PM
Early Speed

Was Uncle Mo ever allowed to have VitaminWater?  It helped me get through the flu.

04 Jan 2011 6:56 PM
Joanna

I agree, finally an owner smart enough to market his horse.  I was already addicted to Vitamin Water, now I will drink more lol...may buy the puffs for me AND my horse. I hope he has more ideas...

04 Jan 2011 7:00 PM
Jason Shandler

Dr. D and Tom: You obviously dont know that sensationalism sells. I'll teach you all I know one of these days.

Betsy: Stay Thirsty will also breeze in about 3 weeks.

04 Jan 2011 7:10 PM
Householder

Well if he loses the Derby we can now blame it on the "Smart Puffs."

Indian Charlie...Indian Charlie...that's all we heard.  Then it became Real Quiet.  

I think there is also a Victory Gallop or two in the bunch waiting to take a poke at the early Derby favorite.  

04 Jan 2011 7:23 PM
Ranagulzion

MIKE RELVA,

Let's wish for this colt the very best of health.  My poetic line doesn't suggest that the horse isn't flesh and blood.  It is intended to deride negative comments about the colt's head, galloping action, shoulders and knees.  

As one who's sensitive to the welfare of the horse, why not join the chorus "head nor shoulder, knee nor toe, nothing stopping Uncle Mo!!!" (Say it twice and it makes you feel good) lol.    

04 Jan 2011 7:32 PM
Carlos in Cali

Smart puffs?.. for Cream puffs. LOL

Seriously though, looking at the pix he looks rather smallish to me. I can see why they intend to give him only 2 preps b4 the Derby.Yes he will mature physically,but will a rapid growth-spurt compromise his natural ability as a 3yo?.. many brilliant 2yo's have failed to go on as 3yo's. It's called peaking too soon and that's the feeling I get from Uncle Mo'.

For several reasons I highly doubt he'll win the Derby let alone the TC like some Cloud hoppers have stated.

As of now I think, come Spring time To Honor and Serve will be the one w/the best chance to win the Derby as long as he matures mentally into his big frame. He will be the one to beat come May,IMO.

To Honor and Serve = Magic Johnson

Uncle Mo' = Maurice Cheeks  LOL

04 Jan 2011 7:56 PM
Jason Shandler

Carlos: I will allow a lot of things on this blog but I will not sit by and let you take a shot at Mo Cheeks! The 1983 76ers, led by Cheeks, Moses, Dr. J, and my favorite player of all-time, Andrew Toney, were the best team in NBA history. Mo made Magic look foolish in that series! Take that!

04 Jan 2011 8:03 PM
skyfire

Mike Repole,  a young, enthusiastic owner thqt loves horse racing and has made a big commitment to the sport; racing needs owners like him -- I wish him all the best, and lots of sustained success. Go Uncle Mo!

RIP Ed Evans -- there aren't many like him - I hope that his heirs continue the farm.

04 Jan 2011 8:24 PM
Matt C

Mike Repole is great for the sport and wish he and Big Mo the best.  

04 Jan 2011 8:32 PM
Ranagulzion

tcc,

Mo's pedigree is not shallow on stamina. His sire Indian Charlie is known in breeding circles to move his mares up a knotch.  He is an "under the radar" sire that quietly throws some good ones on a fairly consistent basis(Indian Express, Bwana Charlie, Fleet Indian, Indian Blessing, Conveyance).  He got 1 1/8 mile easily and was Baffert's favoured entry in Kentucky Derby 1998, won by Real Quiet.  I don't see in Uncle Mo any indication that his sire would blunt the stamina influences (Northern Dancer 5X4, Arch, Roberto, Alydar, Dixieland Band, Turn-to and Rollicking) in his dam Playa Maya.  This colt ran so relaxed in the BCJ and responded like a Ferrari when roused by Johnny V that one cant help being convinced that he'll carry his speed really far.

After missing out on account of Esky's injury last year, you've gotta wish a Derby breakthrough for Johnny V this year.  Just one more reason to root for Mo.  

04 Jan 2011 8:46 PM
Ranagulzion

JASON,

Let the AP Indy fixation deal with Carlos.  No derby winners coming from that source (unless its a Pulpit or Mineshaft progeny).

04 Jan 2011 8:53 PM
Carlos in Cali

LOL Jason,relax.I'm from LA so I won't apologize,(you're from Philly so you get my drift)but that was after Magic's 2 knee surgeries in successive years AND they played without Worthy,an injured McAdoo and Norm Nixon in that yr's Finals.Magic was good,but he wasn't Houdini. Plus,Mo' was not a facor.. that damn Toney guy was hotter than a street walker wearing a fur coat in the Summer. What happened in the 1980 Finals when Kareem didn't play in game 6 and the rookie Magic Johnson played Center,scored 40+ along with 13+ rebounds & 7+ assists to win the Championship along w/the MVP Award? No other teams can compare to "Showtime baby,.. Showtime!" Cheers!

04 Jan 2011 8:56 PM
Trebloc

Brethren = Larry Bird

04 Jan 2011 9:00 PM
Mike Relva

RANAGULZION

Sorry,but unlike you I don't think the sun rises and sets in Pletcher and I don't cheer for any horse he trains.

04 Jan 2011 9:12 PM
Jason Shandler

Your memory is failing you Carlos. Nixon played in the finals. Remember he collided with Toney at center court and they both got hurt but returned? McAdoo was washed up and Worthy a rookie. You're right, Toney dominated but it was Moses abusing Kareem that was the real difference. Dr. J was along for the ride. The 1980s finals was before the 76ers had Moses abd Toney. Magic ws playing center against 150 pound Caldwell Jones. You could have posted him up. That Sixers team should have been great for many years but their idiot owner traded Moses and Brad Dougherty in 1986 draft in two of the dumbest trades in NBA history.

04 Jan 2011 9:17 PM
Carlos in Cali

Ranagulzion

There's been a few AP Indy's who have finished in the money in the Derby and might have won if not for bad racing luck.

Do you seriously,..I mean seriously think that if both Rags to Riches and Bernardini were entered in the Derby in their perspective years,they wouldn't of had an excellent chance at winning?..  Come on,luck plays a BIG part in the Derby.Just like MTB was lucky the sea parted--Super Saver(fluke2)was also lucky he received a clean trip and Ice Box didn't.And you know this,man!

04 Jan 2011 9:34 PM
needler in Virginia

Is no one else concerned that Pletcher is training this colt? Hmmmmmmmm.......... 'nuf said.

Cheers and safe trips to almost everyone.

04 Jan 2011 9:41 PM
Patricia

Brilliant headline here, made me click on it to find out . . . what in the world are they talking about??

04 Jan 2011 9:50 PM
The Bid

Uncle Mo...Booty Calls...Facebook..Tweeter and a Triple Crown!!!! What a World!!!lol... Not to mention an Owner who Gets IT!!!

04 Jan 2011 10:04 PM
The Bid

Ranagulzion...YOU are Really on to something!!!! I picture that slogan on the back of a White T-shirt with Blue and Orange words ending w/3 exclamation points with Crowns for the dots!!!!lolol

04 Jan 2011 10:20 PM
Rondo

Wow...they should call him Commercialized Uncle Mo. Nothing like a little free advertising,huh.

04 Jan 2011 10:33 PM
longwaytomay

needler in Virginia,

 You mean the same Todd Pletcher who won the Derby last year?

04 Jan 2011 10:41 PM
mike rullo

thanks carlos,

I guess the progeny of ap indy winning the preakness,belmont, travers, 2 kentucky oaks winners,3 jockey club gold cup winners and aptitude finishing a great 2nd in the kentucky derby isnt good to him.

what sport is this guy watching??

I dont think uncle mo can get the distance??

but good luck to his connections.

04 Jan 2011 10:52 PM
RJPPDP

If To Honor and Serve is Magic and Brethren is Larry Bird. I feel that Uncle Mo is Michael Jordan. Instead of him being the poster boy for Gatorade, he will be for vitamin water. Maybe Hanes will come out with a saddle cloth that Uncle Mo can promote. Pirates Booty over Wheaties anyday. I can't wait til playoff time when all these all stars can show off there muscle.

Would comma at the top be Karl Malone?

04 Jan 2011 11:14 PM
tcc

Ranagulzion:

Kentucky Derby finishes,

1998 Indian Charlie 3RD,

2003 Indian Express 14TH,

2010 Conveyance 15th.

If Uncle Mo wins it will have to come from Arch on the dam's side.

04 Jan 2011 11:27 PM
Footlick

Like most American horses bred for the American market, their pedigrees are slanted toward speed.  If Uncle Mo's broodmare line had been a little more prolific, it would be fine.  There is stamina there, but whether it is a producing bloodline is another question.  If not, it may not be strong enough to overcome the seemingly speed orientation of Indian Charlie's offspring.  The Factor has many dual category chef-de-race in his pedigree.  So it isn't that stamina isn't there, but whether the various bloodline characteristics will line up favorably.  He did run his last two 8th's under 12 in his 6 furlong race, if I read the fractions correctly, so it isn't as if he was wilting.  We need to see how he stretches out.  On the surface certainly To Honor and Serve and Jaycito both have more stamina laden pedigrees and a brighter promise of 10 furlong success, but we have seen that fail us before, and will so again.  It is all a crapshoot, really.  And of course there could be that horse who has run well but hasn't hit his stride yet who could be the upsetter.  That is what makes this so ripe and juicy.

04 Jan 2011 11:43 PM
Footlick

If Facebook, Twitter, etc can get fans to the track, then more power to him.

04 Jan 2011 11:45 PM
tcc

FYI

More Derby trail news.

HALLANDALE BEACH, Fla. - Trainer Bill Mott said he is cautiously optimistic of making the Feb. 26 Fountain of Youth Stakes at Gulfstream with To Honor and Serve, one of the top early contenders for the 137th Kentucky Derby. To Honor and Serve, an odds-on winner of both the Grade 2 Nashua and Grade 2 Remsen, “has been jogging and galloping every day since the middle of December,” said Mott.

To Honor and Serve actually was sent for a few days “for a little holiday” to the Live Oak Farm of his owner, Charlotte Weber, a few hours north in Ocala, and was scheduled to return Wednesday, said Mott.

“I actually wish the timing of the Fountain of Youth was a week or two later, but we’ll see how the training goes,” said Mott. “Both that race and the [April 3] Florida Derby would be possibilities, but of course he’ll be nominated to every type of those stakes. Everything would be an option at this point. The good thing is we’re not under the gun to get earnings. We just need to get him back and get a couple races in him.”

05 Jan 2011 12:45 AM
Aluminaut

I'm with the Dr. and Tom L.  I was sayin', "But....he's a short 3 year old?????" Maybe his owner was giving him a night out for his BCJ victory.  I'm thinking.."Nahhhhhh."

05 Jan 2011 1:16 AM
draynay

Uncle Mo to Tampa and THS to the Fountain of Youth.  I guess they will not see each other until MAY.

05 Jan 2011 1:46 AM
Richardg

How tall is he? He looks a bit small and swayback in the photo.

05 Jan 2011 5:18 AM
Richardg

JasonS: We finally agree on one thing - the '83 76ers!

05 Jan 2011 5:21 AM
Richardg

longwaytomay: ...after losing 24 times?

05 Jan 2011 5:28 AM
hoofprintsandhorseplay

Yes she mean THAT Todd Pletcher who is 1-28 in the Kentucky Derby. If Mine That Bird was a fluke - so was Super Saver.

Brethren = Larry Bird?  At least the horse only needs to run and not jump! Stop insulting Larry Bird!

Brethren = a slow horse!

05 Jan 2011 6:09 AM
Kate C

I can deal with the free advertising of Pirate's Booty (which is good, BTW!)...  Obviously Repole saw what a huge lift for racing Zenyatta & her folks gave racing by making her so fan friendly...  Fan access is GREAT for racing and this is refreshing.  Will be interesting to see how it works out with Pletcher...  But here's hoping!

05 Jan 2011 6:59 AM
BlueHen

I enjoyed this article and the photos.  Who cares if Repole gets a little free advertising?  The pictures are fun, cute, and show an owner enjoying his "big horse" up close and personal.  Whether Uncle Mo will win the Derby is anybody's guess, but why not enjoy the MO-ment, haha.

05 Jan 2011 8:16 AM
Zen4Zen

How nice of the owner to share these photos and the snack info!  Even if he does own the company that makes Pirate's Booty, and is thus plugging his own products, it's nice to know what Uncle Mo snacks on, especially if it's idiosyncratic, a la Zenyatta's occasional Guinness, because that helps us to feel closer in a sense to the horse.  

All of the photos are great and a pleasure to see.  Good luck to Uncle Mo!

05 Jan 2011 8:37 AM
Donna Melendz from Grayslake, IL

I lost my voice at the Breeder's Cup cheering for Uncle Mo when I saw him bounding with those impressive strides to victory!! Thanks for sharing ,  I will be watching him this Spring!!!

05 Jan 2011 9:53 AM
mz

I'm with Drunkinbum.  Got a little confused at first.

However, thx for the link to "the Twitter" (as Colbert would put it).  I'm just amazed at how nicely Uncle Mo taps those keys considering he's got those big hooves and all.

(p.s.  I don't Twitter.  I don't Facebook.  Does this mean that in a few years I will be the last person on Earth who actually interacts face to face with my friends?....and yes, I do have some)

05 Jan 2011 10:24 AM
Smoking Baby

 Jason.  I know this is off subject and I apologize but I want to share one of my favorite moments in sports.  A little girl was singing the National Anthem one night at a Blazers game.  She forgot the words and sort of froze during the song.  Mo Cheeks stepped up next to her and sang along side her until she got back on track.  It's one of the coolest and classiest moves I've seen and I believe speaks volumes about Mo Cheeks the man.  I'm sure it's out there somewhere on You Tube if anyone's interested.

 I don't want to jinx it but Uncle Mo may be just the horse we've been waiting for.

05 Jan 2011 10:26 AM
JJV

hardly swayback!  just huge withers.

05 Jan 2011 10:35 AM
MikeM

Judging from the picture he looks smallish but thats not the best confimation shot. Besides it's not a beauty contest.

05 Jan 2011 10:37 AM
longwaytomay

Richardg.

 Sorry, but I don't agree with your arithmatic. If a trainer had 3 horses in one KY Derby and didn't win, would you say that he was 0 for 3? I see it differently than you and others, just a matter of opinion.

05 Jan 2011 10:54 AM
needler in Virginia

longwaytomay......YUP, that's EXACTLY who I mean. I'm with Mike Relva on this. Pletcher? Just another big box trainer, and as to Super Save and the '10 Derby...... even a blind hog finds a truffle now and then.

Cheers and safe trips.

05 Jan 2011 12:05 PM
Tiznowbaby

Uncle Mo doesn't look all that interested in the puffs considering the death grip Repole has on the halter, but it's still really, really cool that Repole is sharing the horse with fans. It's also cool how Repole obviously is so dazzled by this colt. Hope he continues to have fun. Mo is a sharp looking individual.

05 Jan 2011 12:11 PM
Rosita712

Thanks for the updates. It is so refreshing to see owners that provide "inner circle" access to their stars. It really is what the sport needs I think more than anything to get fans involved. It takes more than a big payout at the window to get a new fan hooked, because let's face it you can potentially win money at a lot of different type of pursuits, including other sporting events (with pools and fantasy teams, etc). What racing has that's unique is the usually fascinating stories of the horses and the people who own them or work around them and how they get involved in racing or with one horse in particular. For example, in a nutshell, just all of the human interest stories you hear of the connections of the Derby horses every year is one thing I always find fascinating. Let's hope Zenyatta's people have sort of opened the door and opened the eyes of horses' connections to the idea that people who will be "converted" to horse racing will be pulled in for their connection to the horse and their love of the horses involved. I definitely don't expect every owner to let people be as hands-on with their stars as Zenyatta's were just because of possible liability issues, but if more embrace new tools to racing to reach more people (such as Facebook and Twitter) that's a great step in the right direction. Let's keep the momentum going and the fans Zenyatta brought in engaged and coming back!

I read an article a short while ago in my local paper about Calder's downslide and a gaming analyst estimated racing will be dead in 20 years! Honestly, I found that hard to believe. I know there's a marked decline and most people are not interested, but as we saw from all the people who gathered around Zenyatta even if she wasn't racing (like at her arrival at Keeneland), the potential to draw new fans is definitely there. I know it would be a complex road to get it to the top of the sporting world again (and probably not even possible), but I sure don't think it should be written off entirely. It might even be possible that letting some tracks close would provide more interest to the "bigger" names, though of course that would hurt the little guys in racing and their livelihood. Kind of a long-winded reply to this but anyway, I do appreciate owners like Uncle Mo's. I think people who think like they do hold at least part of the future of racing in their hands.

Thanks for the info!

05 Jan 2011 12:16 PM
predict

Bluehen,

Very good, I love the (Mo)-ment,and believe me I love this horse, but I just think when he hits that last 1/8th in the stretch we will be hearing ,"and down the stretch they come, Uncle Mo is breathing hard, (Huffs) and Puffs, Mo Puffs" , and he fades out of contention. No Mo, no more, no less.

05 Jan 2011 12:48 PM
longwaytomay

needler,

 If you get a chance to go to CD, take a look at the big trophy that has Super Saver engraved on it. You won't find an asterick next to his name or MTB's.

05 Jan 2011 1:12 PM
Matthew W

Jason 1983 wasn't even the 76ers best team, let alona NBA's best--try the '67 Sixers--way back then--three top 50/NBA's first 50 year team--plus role players galore! That team would match up with any team in NBA History!

05 Jan 2011 1:31 PM
Matthew W

yeah, but can he do the cha-cha?

05 Jan 2011 1:35 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Billy's Empire

   Didn't you recover from New Year's Eve yet?

MZ

  I don't do those either either tomato tomato.

05 Jan 2011 2:28 PM
needler in Virginia

longwaytomay, a trophy at Churchill means that ONE horse trained by Pletcher won that ONE race last year; granted, it's the biggest American race to win, but it doesn't mean the trainer is the best of all time, ever, ever, ever. It means that this trainer won this race in this year, and that's it! Don't try to change my mind here; I saw two of Pletcher's "star" horses of 2010 simply disappear at the Breeder's Cup last year...... do you remember Life at Ten and ermmmmmm, oh, yes! Quality Road. Big box trainers don't represent the best of racing, they simply represent the MOST horses under one trainer's roof.

Cheers.

05 Jan 2011 3:06 PM
Billy's Empire

Dr Drunkinbum. I am all good. Good thing I was off of work for the last two weeks of the year. I will tell you, I think I raised Maker's Mark stock price over the holiday. From Sat the 18th thru Christmas day we drank 4 bottles of Makers, and one was a half gallon,  another the Maker's 46. IF ANYONE COMES TO KY to visit any farms, shoot down to Bardstown and go on a 45 minute tour. It is well worth it. With that said, I am back in the saddle and off to a great new year.

MZ, facebook is the devil. Twitter is funny at times if you follow the right people, but facebook is bad, bad, bad.

Tapizar, Tapizar Tapizar.

Ok, now watch the movie bloodsport. At the end, they chant for the White Warrior, "Nawk Soo Cow." Just change that name to Tapizar, which means KY Derby Champion

05 Jan 2011 3:54 PM
Billy's Empire

By the way, can someone please send some Yeungling to Jason and myself. Can not get that dang beer in KY. Bazinga!

05 Jan 2011 3:56 PM
Ranagulzion

Carlos my friend,

Good luck has a way of attaching itself to pedigree when it comes to the Kentucky Derby.  The so called flukes all have better pedigree for the Derby than the AP Indys Bro.

The Bid,

Yes indeed.  Bring on the white T-shirts with the catchy line : head nor shoulder, knee nor toe, nothing stopping Uncle Mo !!!

Lets have some fun with this super colt.

05 Jan 2011 3:58 PM
longwaytomay

needler,

 Not trying to change your mind, but I certainly never said anything about Pletcher being the greatest trainer ever. My point was twofold, Uncle Mo could be in worse hands, and fluke or no fluke, Super Saver and Pletcher won the Derby last year. Cheer to you too!!

05 Jan 2011 4:37 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Billy's Empire

  Let's go out and get ourselves a little drinkin' done. Just don't expect me to keep up with you like when I was younger. I want some Parkbrau. I can't find it anywhere.

05 Jan 2011 6:00 PM
Ranagulzion

Footlick,

Let us get back to debating The Factor's derby chances after he runs his first two turn race.  Okay? ...if yourself and Coldfacts retain the appetitite when his limitations are exposed.

05 Jan 2011 6:25 PM
mz

Come on Billy's Empire and the Dr.!  This is a horse racing site.  GUINNESS all the way!

(BTW, I hope no one is noticing how I am avoiding actually commenting on any KD selection so far.  I am still waiting to jump on the new-horse-bursting-out-from-nowhere bandwagon in March or so -- I want Curlin2011)

05 Jan 2011 6:32 PM
Mike Relva

NEEDLER IN VA

Thanks,he doesn't impress me and you hear alot of bs on blogs,but I'm telling you I wouldn't walk next door to meet him.

05 Jan 2011 6:55 PM
Forbidden Apple

The title of this story is perfect, because by the end of 2011 Uncle Mo will be whisked away for stud duty. I would vote for To Honor and Serve or Pluck for 2 year old eclipse champion of 2010. I think Mo is very good, but he may not even be the best 2 year old colt of 2010.

I recently discovered a potent and delicious brew made by Innis & Gunn, Rum Cask. It is aged perfectly in rum barrels and is my new favorite beer.

05 Jan 2011 7:48 PM
Jason Shandler

Smoking Baby: I remember that Mo Cheeks thing well. He was a class act. I know his family and they are great people.

Forbidden Apple: I had that beer over Christmas. It's very tasty.

05 Jan 2011 8:12 PM
needler in Virginia

longwaytomay, point made and taken. He DID win the Derby, but I think Mo could be in much better, more talented, and certainly more actual hands-on hands. MIke Relva knows what I mean, even if I did make a VERY fuzzy point just now. Sorry about that to all. But, YES! Super Saver DID win the Derby last year. Pletcher's record has not been that great for the Derby (understatement?) and the performances of his two "stars" at the '10 BC were underwhelming and, ultimately, sad. As with all the big box trainers, I wonder just exactly how much hands-on training is done by the guys that are getting the big bucks; if I were paying those bills, I'd damned sure want the trainer I'm paying to be the trainer doing the actual training.....I KNOW, I KNOW.....color me SO naive. And, let's face it, the odds are with the big box trainers as they have so many horses, the pool is deep for them. How many has Baffert saddled in the same Derby?? 17? 20? All that said, how many small-stable trainers, with intimate knowledge of their charges, loads of stall time, and HOURS of clocking, bandaging, ponying (is that a real word?), feeding and handling have won the Derby lately? Do the names Tagg, Ward, Servis, or Wooley sound familiar??????????

And Mike Relva, NOR WOULD I!! Now, if you can get me in to meet, say John Ward or Barclay Tagg or Freddie Head or Larry Jones...for THEM, I'd cross traffic on the Cross Bronx!!

More cheers and safe trips.

05 Jan 2011 8:35 PM
Footlick

Ranagulzion- I'm not touting him as a Derby winner.  I'm saying you can't tell what genes have grouped together, so nobody really knows what will happen when a horse tries to stretch out.  Neither horse would be my Derby pick off of breeding.  If The Factor doesn't stretch out to two turns, it wouldn't surprise me. Neither would it surprise me that he could.  I can't make the definitive statement that he can or can't like you can.

05 Jan 2011 9:06 PM
longwaytomay

needler in Va.,

 I will not dispute your claims concerning the "big box trainer" issue. I would use a smaller stable type myself if I ever had the priveledge to own a horse. Mike Maker comes to mind. I do have to ask this question. If Pletcher is so bad, why do so many owners send him their horses?

05 Jan 2011 10:13 PM
longwaytomay

Jason,

 Read your write-up on the Hal's Hope. Is it possible for Rule to be back to his previous form after such a long layoff. I think the distance would be right up his alley.

05 Jan 2011 10:19 PM
needler in Virginia

longwaytomay, I don't think I actually defined Pletcher as "bad", but if I did, that word doesn't apply and I was wrong to use it; I DO think the Pletcher system, along with all the other factory trainers, becomes a conveyor belt of training by sheer necessity. I defy anyone with over one hundred horses to "know" each individually. It just cannot be done. I would much prefer any horse of mine to have hands-on, individual and personalized training AND I would want the trainer cashing my checks to be the one to do the training. If I hired, and paid, Larry Jones to train for me, I 'd want HIM to train my horse, NOT his seventeenth assistant John Smith (no aspersions cast on the John Smiths of the world). I'd guess people go to Pletcher because the size of his stableS (plural) is an almost ironclad guarantee that he has a winner here and there, scattered among the rest.  The more horses, the more wins is a fairly sure bet. There are also a lot of relative newcomers to racing who are searching for a trainer and a "name" with loads of horses rises to the surface faster than one like Mr Maker, who by the way I REALLY like. I'm with you on that; I'd like to see him train for me any day.

So I didn't mean that Pletcher was bad; I just think there are LOTS of trainers who have far more to offer their clients AND their horses than the Pletcher group does.

So, once again: cheers and safe trips, and g'night!

05 Jan 2011 11:37 PM
Matthew W

Needler and don't forget Shirreffs....

06 Jan 2011 2:31 AM
GunBow

Great to see how much Mike obviously cares about Uncle Mo.  Even though he's relatively new as an owner, he recognizes that having a horse as good as Uncle Mo is very special and very rare.

Uncle Mo's sire and grandsire were two or the more brilliant horses to come out of California over the last 20 years.  I was lucky enough to see both Indian Charlie and In Excess in person.

Indian Charlie was a very special talent; I bet if you ask Bob Baffert he would likely say Indian Charlie was more talented than Real Quiet and Silver Charm.  Indian Charlie did, after all, dust Real Quiet in the 98' Santa Anita Derby, running a 111 Beyer.  Also behind Charlie that day were Artax and multiple graded stakes winner Classic Cat. Earlier in 98', Charlie easily won an allowance over the brilliant Old Trieste.  Given how inexperienced Indian Charlie was, his 3rd in the Kentucky Derby was quite remarkable.

In Excess was like a Quality Road.  Both horses were physically imposing frontrunners that could be smashing on their best day.  Both won 4 gr.1 races, both won the Met Mile and Woodward, but both also had distance limitations and had disasterous Breeder's Cup experiences.  In Excess was 1 for 4 at 10 furlongs while Quality Road was 0 for 3.  In the 91' Breeder's Cup, In Excess was entered in the Mile(turf) rather than the Classic, and his 9th place finish cost him any chance for the Older Male Eclipse or HoY.

Before the 10' Breeder's Cup, I predicted that Quality Road could go one of two ways.  First, he could follow the hoofprints of Saint Liam, a brilliant frontrunner who over his career went from a horse that faded at even 9 furlongs to a horse that relaxed and could be push-button at 10 furlongs.  Or, Quality Road could be like In Excess, a horse that just never quite learned how to consistently stretch his speed 10 furlongs.  Unfortunately for Quality Road and his connections, his Breeder's Cup Classic performance was more like In Excess' two Santa Anita Handicap attempts than Saint Liam's 05' Classic.

Still, like Quality Road, In Excess was a very, very good horse.  His 4 race winning streak of the 91' Met Mile(116/117 Beyer), Suburban(120 Beyer), Whitney(116/117), and Woodward(116) was a thing of beauty.  In Excess also won the gr.2 San Fernando earlier in 91' with a 116 Beyer and won the 90' Volante Stakes(now Oak Tree Derby) on turf.

06 Jan 2011 4:07 AM
Billy's Empire

What do you think of the other Uncle? Uncle Sam! Not the tax man, the Baffert horse? Looks to be able to get the distance no problem

06 Jan 2011 12:18 PM
Draynay

If Mo continues to dominate and wins the Triple Crown Pletcher will go down as one of the greatest trainers EVER.  Those three little races COULD do it all for him.

06 Jan 2011 2:53 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

As always you get ahead of yourself,give me your spin or as usual you will ignore it as if you never said it when it DOESN'T happen.

06 Jan 2011 3:32 PM
BILL C

Let,s see how uncle Mo does in the WOOD MEMORIAL that is the race that will tell you the most.

06 Jan 2011 5:55 PM
Old Hat

Great guy is Mike,hope Mo DESTROYS the derby field when the time comes.Good luck to all the connections.

06 Jan 2011 7:17 PM
Mike Relva

OLD HAT

Not gonna happen.

06 Jan 2011 8:42 PM
amy

by the way hes been running i keeping my eyes poen for another triple crown winner!! and i love that his owner really looks like he loves his horse!!! sweet!

06 Jan 2011 9:10 PM
Draynay

Mike,Mo is a freak of nature and something strange would have to happen for him NOT to win the Derby. Pletcher wins back to back Derby's and maybe the TC he will be a all time legend like it or not.

07 Jan 2011 1:18 AM
Freetex

Mike seems like a nice guy and rich to boot.

Has anyone read Beyond The Blinkers lately? It's not a pretty picture of irresponsible owners.  

07 Jan 2011 2:57 AM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

It's great you can say in Jan. that Uncle Mo is already the winner for the Derby. Only wondering how many horses you will jump on/off before then?

07 Jan 2011 12:09 PM
Billy's Empire

Newsflash: Mike Relva can see the future.

Mike, do you watch horse racing, or just read the blogs and jump on the bandwagon of the next maiden winner? Just wondering after your comment " i like the factor a lot" I bet you do Panama Red. I think Relva got a double dose of Focker.

07 Jan 2011 12:35 PM
Walk the plank

Draynay, didn't you say Pletcher had no clue about training a horse for the Derby? And now you're riding his jock?

You truly flip-flop more than a fish out of water,ridiculous.

07 Jan 2011 12:44 PM
Noelle

He's a lovely horse and I hope he makes it through, but I wish he had a "Triple Crown" worthy name.  Count Fleet, Citation, Secretariat, Seattle Slew, Affirmed, etc.  Uncle Mo?

07 Jan 2011 4:47 PM
Mike Relva

BILLY'S EMPIRE

FYI I probably see as much racing as you do. You never answered my question last month when I asked you if Tom Brady was impressed with you when you dropped his name saying you've met him. Bet he asked your advice on how to throw a football. lol

07 Jan 2011 5:26 PM
Mike Relva

WALK THE PLACE

Agree with your comments. Fact is few weeks ago he liked To Honor and Serve,which didn't last long. BTW this horse is one I think that can do damage.

07 Jan 2011 7:08 PM
LAZMANNICK

Mike Relva

I ordered a pizza the other night and the pizza man delivered right on time.  I asked him how he was making out and he said he met Tom Brady.  I said imagine that.  When did you meet him?  He said when I delivered a pizza to his house the other night.  The next day when I went to work I told all the guys and gals that I know someone who met Tom Brady.

07 Jan 2011 7:38 PM
Householder

The Wood is cursed.  I Want Revenge and Esky were the last 2 to win this one.  Thank goodness Fusaichi Pegasis campained out west first or the Wood would be like 0-20.  You can lump the second coming of Secretariat, Easy Goer, into the curse of the Wood as well. Didn't Secreatariat lose the Wood?  If Uncle Mo enters he is doomed.    

07 Jan 2011 8:24 PM
JENKY CAT MD. BREED

No,

 One should wish anything for the best of All horse's. Forget your thought's  It always amaze"s me ! Wish good to all and may the best horse win if entered.MO is great without doubt! Only at his expense.Not anyone else's. How many time's have we seen these standouts falter to the power.power that is never mentioned.

07 Jan 2011 9:07 PM
JENKY CAT MD BREED

Let the winner be of the Kentucky Derby be one that has entered.Nothing in this great sport is right or wrong if you love the real hero's  The horse's

long forgotten without the horse there is no GAME>>>> Thus Let the future Go to The Winner ! tHAT WILL NOT HAPPEN TILL THEY ARE ENTERED.That will be a mystery till the gate opens....

07 Jan 2011 9:21 PM
Matthew W

No, but a Cy Young award winner asked me at beginning of playoffs and I picked S F Giants, all the way--cuz they weren't apacing them every three days this year--thus, utilizing the fourth starters--huge advantage to Giants/my friend agreed--this year he asked me at beg of NFL season--Baltimore, I said in Sept--and right now, Atlanta Falcons are my pick to win it all--and my Derby Horse is "easy":I would be suprised if anybody comes along who can do what Uncle Mo did, plain and simple....

08 Jan 2011 12:35 AM
Matthew W

Nobody's saying anything about Triple Crown--I'm talkin' Derby--the big one, 1 1/4, first Sat in May....My Old Kentucky Home...'n'chile'n' cornbread'n'Uncle MoMo'n'they don't make'en like THAT--anymore....

08 Jan 2011 12:39 AM
Mike Relva

LAZ

That's a good one. lol Hell,he might be Brady's guru. lol

08 Jan 2011 1:26 PM
Draynay

Walk the blank, yes I said all those things about Pletcher.  However, if Mo does win the Derby and the TC is anything I said not true?  Will he not be one of the all time greats at that point ?  Winning 2 KD's in a row and a TC? How many have ever done that ? Ben Jones is the only one I can think of.

08 Jan 2011 3:23 PM
draynay

Mike, if the Tampa and Wood go as expected and Mo makes it in the gate there will be no need to jump off Mo and choose another horse. I have never seen a horse get this good this fast.

08 Jan 2011 3:33 PM
Paula Higgins

Thanks for posting those pictures Jason. I am a major Uncle Mo fan. Sodapop Kid, they definitely are taking a page out of the Moss' and Sherriff's play book. Good for them. I hope they know we appreciate it. I am glad people are getting the idea that horse racing needs to connect to the unruly masses i.e. us. Uncle Mo is an exceptional horse. They just need to keep him healthy and happy. His Facebook page is a hoot.

ITA that Pletcher is a great trainer but he has too many horses to know them all really well. He has to rely on his staff more than someone like John Sherriffs. I would go with a smaller barn if I had a horse. However, Uncle Mo will get his undivided attention if any horse will. He knows what he has in this horse.

Larry Bird was an icon and he did things I never saw another player do. The Magic-Bird rivalry was one for the ages. Sigh, the good old days.

08 Jan 2011 3:56 PM
MP

Loved the pictures, it is important to show the public that these are living, breathing athletes, not just depreciable assets.  I am happy to see that many of you feel as I do, but I am also shocked at all the cynics.  There are a number of you slamming the horse's confirmation, the trainer, the owner, and blah, blah, blah.  Nothing wrong with that, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but is this in-fighting within the sport itself, that is killing it.  Enjoy the sport and savor it, and don't criticize the owners until you are the one paying the bills!

08 Jan 2011 6:22 PM
Tiznowbaby

Draynay,

Lucien Laurin in '72 with Riva Ridge and '73 with Secretariat.

08 Jan 2011 10:27 PM
Firethorn

Draynay stated, "Winning 2 KD's in a row and a TC? How many have ever done that ? Ben Jones is the only one I can think of."

I guess the Disney version of Secretariat made you forget all about Riva Ridge, Kentucky Derby and Belmont winner in 1972.  1973 the whole team, Eddie Sweat, Ron Turcotte, and Lucien Laurin are for Meadow Stable's next super star, Secretariat.  Kentucky Derby, Belmont and the next year's Triple Crown.

08 Jan 2011 10:33 PM
GunBow

Jason:

So who won the first THS week?  Your saver tri box came in handy in the Hal's Hope, but Tom hit the exacta in the San Paqual.  If we go by the actual bets on the show, I believe you won by a little.

I didn't go to Santa Anita for the San Paqual, in part because it seemed to me to be a replay of the Native Diver.  And boy was it.  Although the surface was different, the pace different, and the trips different, Aggie Engineer still won the San Pasqual easily, as he had won the Native Diver.  Spurrier was again 2nd, and Dakota Phone again out of the money.

I was actually impressed with Aggie Engineer in the Native Diver, not so much because he won(he had an easy leady), but due to the way he did it and the way he looked and moved.  He came across to me as a big, powerful horse with a good bit of acceleration.  However, some Cali fans I had spoken with, ones that have been here solidly for the last few years(unlike myself) and who had seen Aggie Engineer throughout his career, didn't buy his Native Diver win and continued to view him as a high priced allowance horse at best.

There are considerably better Big Cap contenders than Spurrier, but I still like the direction Aggie Engineer is heading.  Like I mentioned, he's a strapping horse, and he's now proven himself a very versatile horse, able to win on the lead or rating, on synthetic or dirt(and he's stakes placed on turf). With Aggie and long-winded Native Diver 3rd place finisher, Soul Candy, Paddy Gallagher has two solid handicap horses.

09 Jan 2011 4:01 AM
Mike Relva

MP

Where were you when for the past three yrs many were slamming Zenyatta and her connections?

09 Jan 2011 11:37 AM
Matthew W

Aggie Engineer looked solid yesterday (he beat my Spurrier by a mile)--I had the Hal's Hope winner--good ride, into that soft pace--I'm hearing The Factor is looking like a sprinter--they are having trouble getting him to slow down--he's way behind them right now--I would not consider him 1 1/4 Derby Fodder right now....getting back to the San Pasqual, Aggie Engineer is one of those late bloomers that put together good runs--he's well built, and he can rate off the speed--his odds will plummet now that they have seen this side of him--right now he's at the top out here--am hearing Sidney's Candy is looking good--he's the real deal--not sure about Caracortado trying them in Sunshine Millions--think he can win the San Fernando (over Sidney)--beating Usual Q T/Jeranimo in Sunshine Millions is a tall task--in case you haven't guessed, I love this horse (Caracortado)....with horses like Misremembered, Caracortado, "The Candys", Aggie Engineer, I am thinking about a resurgence in Left Coast Power--the Triple Crown contender list is another story--it's wafer thin out here, as of right now--if The Factor is all they're talking about! He poses no threat to MoMo....And Stylish Jess, last night, in the Charger Bar (Gr1) at Los Al--she loves the ten hole, she broke and it was all over--Paul Jones has kept her on top for years--she owns this race--she looked better than ever last night....

09 Jan 2011 2:40 PM
Tim

As always the so called Turf writers put make negative remarks about the sport's superstars and then they write about how they can't figure out why the sport is losing fans. True without wagering horse racing wouldn't exist and bettors want to make money so they want price horses to bdefeat the stars. On the other hand without freakish colts like Uncle Mo who have blazing speed from start to finish never slowing down no matter the distance, their wouldn't be fans. I am both a gambler and a fan which is what this sport needs more of. I bet on races I feel like I can make a profit and I just watch Horses like Uncle Mo and Zenyatta win at 1-5 and chear them on. One other thing no 3 year old will suddenly start running their final quarter in 23-24 seconds after rating through a half in 45 and change or a mile in 1:10 and change or come home as fast as Uncle Mo did in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile with a fourth quarter of 24.2 and final sixteenth in 6.1. Unless he gets injured or regresses he's in a class of his own.

09 Jan 2011 7:12 PM
tcc

Tim;

a half in 45 and change or a mile in 1:10 and change or come home as fast as Uncle Mo did in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile.

The jockey would need a seat belt on if a horse ran a 1:10 and change in a mile.

09 Jan 2011 10:11 PM
GunBow

Matthew W:

Were you at Los Al for the Charger Bar?  I went out to dinner and barely made it to Los Al in time for the Charger Bar.

Yes, Stylish Jess was very impressive; with the exception of her 09' Champion of Champions runner-up to Freaky(although she was ultimately dq'd), last night was the best I've see her.  No slow start, and the race was over after 200 yards.  Stylish Jess won the Charger Bar last year, but she was more impressive this year, with a new stakes record time.  She's still one of the big quarter horse stars out here.

By the way, since I'm relatively new to quarter horse racing(went a few times a year from 05-07 before going regularly for stakes races the past 14 months), I wondered if anyone could answer a question about names.

For the call of the race, Stylish Jess is called "Stylish Jess", but in the program she is listed as "Stylish Jess Br".  What's the Br for?  There are other horses like this, such as Pink Boots Rm.

10 Jan 2011 5:26 AM
Billy's Empire

Mike Relva, he was not nearly as impressed as Gisele was, but that is not the point. The point is that you are a asking MP where they have been, yet you fail to realize that MP is talking about you and the likes that are putting down MO and the connections. But don't worry, we know, "you like the factor a lot". Seriously, do you research and watch racing, or just blog? I am guessing the latter.

10 Jan 2011 8:29 AM
Mike Relva

BILLY'S EMPIRE

FYI, when stated "I like the Factor alot" means I like his potential. Yes,Uncle Mo has alot of talent,but how many horses with talent never reach the starting gate in May? Here's a newsflash Billy,not everyone thinks Pletcher is the end all like yourself. He doesn't have my respect,it's as simple as that! To Honor and Serve is another horse to watch. BTW your usual remarks about my lack of knowledge regarding racing is interesting,guess everyone can't be an "expert" like yourself.

10 Jan 2011 10:17 AM
Slew

Draynay said .."Mike, if the Tampa and Wood go as expected and Mo makes it in the gate there will be no need to jump off Mo and choose another horse. I have never seen a horse get this good this fast."

It's readily apparent...he never saw Secretariat or Riva Ridge or Seattle Slew or Affirmed..etc.

10 Jan 2011 10:26 AM
Mike Relva

BILLY'S EMPIRE

Recall awhile back when you dismissed what I told you Allen Jerkins stated about Zenyatta. I think your response was something like that you "didn't care what he said". You don't exactly endear yourself regarding knowledge when you thumb your nose at someone that's been in the business over fifty yrs and I'm certain knows more than you could ever dream of. Then again,I guess living in a fantasy world,perhaps you think he should be asking you for tips. lol

10 Jan 2011 11:36 AM
OG Kush

Get him Mike!

Billy's beloved Pletcher can do no wrong in his Mimosa induced blurried vision.

10 Jan 2011 12:53 PM
Billy's Empire

Relva, who won the Breeders Cup? Not Zenyatta. Everyone has opinions, mine happened to be right. Just b/c someone has an opinion, does not mean it is the truth. See, I come up with my opinions, and don't let the opinion of other's shape my stance and viewpoint on certain subjects, unlike yourself. If you believe everything a trainer says, you are worse off than I originally thought.

One last thought, talk about a fantasy world, I am not the one that has an imaginary girlfriend in California, unless you consider Ted from LA your lady...

Going forward in 2011, all posts will be positive from the Empire. Good Luck and I hope you all cash tickets

10 Jan 2011 1:32 PM
Draynay

Slew, none of those horses were as good as Mo at 2 as quickly.  Mo wins a Maiden race and then back to back G1 races including the 2 year old championship?  I have NEVER seen a 2 year old be that good that fast and neither have you.

10 Jan 2011 1:36 PM
Billy's Empire

Can someone please show me where I stated that I loved Pletcher? I am curious as to when I said that. Also, Mimosa's are boring. If you are gonna go, go strong, with a Zing Zang bloody mary,  A woodford on the Rocks, or a Jagerbomb. Mimosa, come on now.

Now, your namesake on the other hand will for sure blur the vision, but I prefer the Super Silver or The Headband.

10 Jan 2011 3:06 PM
Mike Relva

BILLY'S  EMPIRE

I don't let anyone shape my opinion.  Was on Zenyatta early in her career. So,you were right about the last Breeders' I was right about the one in '09. Tell you what Billy instead of accusing me of imaginary,why don't you call River Edge  and see when I visit The Tin Man several times each year if I'm by myself? Go for it! You might have met Tom Brady,but like Laz said probably when you delivered a pizza to his home. lol

10 Jan 2011 3:20 PM
Mike Relva

BILLY'S EMPIRE

Didn't TIM G last year suggest you have an "imaginary job"? lol

10 Jan 2011 3:31 PM
Carlos in Cali

Draynay

I personally witnessed Capote(Seattle Slew) in 86' reel of a 6f maiden win,then 2/3-weeks later he wires the Gr.I Norfolk @ 1 1/16 defeating NY's undefeated 'wonderhorse' Gulch. 3-weeks after that he also wires the Gr.I BC Juvenile field and is Champion 2yo. All accomplished in about 5/6-weeks..take that!

10 Jan 2011 4:42 PM
Matthew W

Gun Bow I thing the abreviation next to the name on the Quarter Horse program--that's the stable initials (or the owner)--like "SA", that's the owner's initials--for years, there was "BCR" this, and "BCR" that--that was for Billingsly Creek Ranch--I was not there Sat, I watched it over the net--I like to go out there and see those Gr 1's, maybe next Gr 1 I'll come out for it, if it's on a Sat night, I'll be at the winners circle gate!

10 Jan 2011 5:03 PM
Slew

Draynay...Secretariat was the 1972 Horse of the Year...at 2.  Is Uncle Mo nominated as HOY at 2?  And yes, I have seen Secretariat.

Sanford Stakes (1972)

Hopeful Stakes (1972)

Futurity Stakes (1972)

Laurel Futurity (1972)

Garden State Futurity (1972)

Seattle Slew went into the TC undefeated...and yes I have seen him.

I've also seen Citation ..."Citation won his first start as a two-year-old at Havre de Grace, Maryland. He then broke the Arlington Park track record over five furlongs in his second start. For the year he would race nine times, winning eight of them and earning $155,680."

Even saw Affirmed..

Youthful Stakes (1977)

Hollywood Juvenile Championship (1977)

Sanford Stakes (1977)

Hopeful Stakes (1977)

Futurity Stakes (1977)

Laurel Futurity (1977)

Uncle Mo is superb, but not the best I've ever seen.  Even Vindication was spectacular.  All raced more times than UMo as a 2 year old...and won more times.

10 Jan 2011 5:06 PM
Carlos in Cali

Peyton Manning 9-10 in post season play?..

And he almost lost his only Super Bowl win to the lowly offensive fueled Bears with sorry-@$$ Rex Grossman as the QB.  HA!

He's no Montana,Brady or Big Ben for that matter.

He's my regular-season starter in a fantasy league,but I'll sit him in the post season...

10 Jan 2011 5:09 PM
Draynay

www.drf.com/.../zenyatta-vs-blame-mike-beers-vote-horse-year

I couldn't have said it better.  Gulfstream in 2 weeks baby !!!

10 Jan 2011 5:15 PM
Matthew W

Slew I love your posts--I soak in all you write--you have a way with the word, as well as a camera perfect eye for what was important--I saw 'Bid and decided right then and there, greatness is when a horses does something you have not seen before--the last-to-first winning streak of Zenyatta was greatness, the sturdy and brilliant finishes of a young Secretariat, the spectacular mid-race kick and finish of Bid--things that  happen in a slowish-motion--time slows down, and when Big Z came into the saddling area, bare and blowing up from all over inside herself--time stood still! I am all over Uncle Mo, I think his three races were the best three race year I have ever seen in racing (2yold)...still, it WAS three races! I am bubbling over with praise for this colt--I am NOT annointing him best--anything, except for that--3--race year....

10 Jan 2011 8:10 PM
Draynay

Slew, I stand by my statement.  By the way I had my picture taken with Citation in 1969.  I saw Seattle Slew at Hileah and I saw Affirmed twice and feel both were better than Secretariat.  None of those horses were AS GOOD, AS FAST as Uncle Mo. From Maiden to back to back G1 winner and overall champion?  I have never seen anything like it.  Maiden winner to G1 winner is very very rare.

10 Jan 2011 8:19 PM
Karen in Texas

GunBow---I see that Matthew W. already answered your question about the abbreviations affixed to some of the quarter horse names. I thought Stylish Jess BR referred to her owner Ben Rossett as well. Not sure about Pink Boots RM--wasn't she claimed from the original owner fairly recently?

10 Jan 2011 8:47 PM
MP

Mike,  anyone slamming zenyatta doesnt know a damn thing about horses.  She is a perfect speciman of a horse as was Secretariat.  I adored her from the moment I saw her.

10 Jan 2011 8:56 PM
Tiznowbaby

Slew, you can add Favorite Trick to that list too, IMO.

10 Jan 2011 9:39 PM
Footlick

Carlos in Cali- you beat me to the punch about Capote.  Well done.

10 Jan 2011 10:28 PM
GunBow

The best 2 year old I have ever seen was Grand Canyon.  That goes for both in person and from afar.  

Grand Canyon was good when he won the Norfolk and ran 2nd in the Breeder's Cup Juvenile.  But then, under the handling of D. Wayne Lukas, he took his game to a whole new level.  He comes out of the Breeders Cup to win the Kentucky Jockey Club by over 10.

However, that Churchill race was just a sampling of what was to come in the Hollywood Futurity, the 2nd stakes race I ever saw in person.  Grand Canyon crushed the Hollywood Futurity field by over 6, running the mile in a record for a 2 year old, 1:33 flat. 133 FLAT!

Oh, but surely Grand Canyon beat nothing.  Well, 3rd place finisher(beaten by over 9), Silver Ending, would win the gr.1 Pegasus, gr.2 Arkansas Derby, and gr.3 El Camino Real Derby as a 3 year old.  The runner-up, Farma Way, would struggle with injury as a 3 year old, but when healthy as a 4 year old he won the Big Cap, Pimlico Special, San Antonio, San Pasqual, San Carlos, run 2nd in the Hollywood Gold, Iselin, and Woodward, and run about 7 or 8 Beyers of 115 or better.

Well, surely the Hollywood surface was blazing fast that night?  Well, future Eclipse champion Tight Spot broke his maiden at 8.5 furlongs in 1:43 and 2, nothing spectacular.  And in the race before the Hollywood Futurity, an older horse won an allowance by 5 in 1:34 and 3, or 8 lengths slower than Grand Canyon.  

What if I told you that the winner of that allowance for older males was Criminal Type, who in a little over a month from then was winning the gr.2 San Paqual on his way to Horse of the Year.?

In Steven Crist's book, he explains that after establishing the track variant, the Beyer Team gave Grand Canyon's Hollywood Futurity a 120.  Criminal Type would become a solid 110-120 Beyer horse, so the fact Grand Canyon ran 8 lengths faster supports the 120 Beyer.  However, since the Hollywood Futurity horses, particularly then unknown Farma Way, had never run that fast before, Team Beyer concluded that the track must have sped up between races, and thus subjectively downgraded Grand Canyon's fig to a 108.

In retrospect, given what Farma Way, Silver Ending, Criminal Type, and Tight Spot went on to accomplish, the original 120 figure was correct for Grand Canyon.  In any event, it was the best performance by a 2 year old I've seen(better than War Pass' 07' BC Juvenile or Street Sense's 06' Juvenile), and I doubt I'll ever seen one as good.  

Grand Canyon was a monster of a horse, over 16 hands and 1200 lbs; when he died of laminitis the next summer, Lukas said it was down there with Landaluce's death as the lowest points of his career.  At the time, Lukas described Grand Canyon as being as talented as any horse he had ever had.

11 Jan 2011 2:57 AM
GunBow

According to what I've seen, Easy Goer earned Beyers superior to Uncle Mo as a 2 year old.  I think Easy Goer ran a 116 in the 88' Champagne and something over 110 for his Cowdin.

11 Jan 2011 2:59 AM
Mike Relva

MP

I agree,but don't think BILLY'S EMPIRE  shares the same view. lol

11 Jan 2011 10:11 AM
Billy's Empire

Sweet Ducky fired a bullet this morning at Palm Meadows, another to keep an eye on...

11 Jan 2011 10:59 AM
Forbidden Apple

To Draynay and all the others who worship Uncle Mo,

Why are you so overtaken by the fact that Uncle Mo went from a maiden win to a Graded Stakes win? This happens quite often with 2 year olds as most 2 year olds are maidens for quite some time. And then a 2 year old only has to run against other underdeveloped 2 year olds in a stakes race. This horse won 2 stakes races and the best horse he beat was Boys At Toscanova, big deal. Secretariat, Seattle Slew, Affirmed, Spectacular Bid, Chiefs Crown, Capote, Arazi, Unbridled's Song, Favorite Trick, Stevie Wonderboy, Street Sense, and War Pass are all 2 year old champion colts that were much more impressive to me. What bothers me the most is that some people are compairing Mo to the best of the best, Secretariat. I'ts not like I want Mo to fail, I just seem him as an above average 2 year old at best. The mention of greatness and triple crown should not be associated with Mo. What has he done that is any more special than any of the 12 horses I listed above? Oh, now I get it, it's because he is trained by Todd Pletcher. I am guessing that by the first saturday in May I will have 3 or more colts ranked above the immortal Uncle Mo. Good luck eating chalk on the triple crown trail.

11 Jan 2011 11:25 AM
LAZMANNICK

Mathew - Slew - GunBow - MP - and Many Others:

Great posts.  You guys (and gals) know what you're talking about.  Draynay just thinks he does.  One day he's on to Honor and Serve and the next day Uncle Mo is the gretest horse we have ever seen, all this after three races.  Where have we heard this before.  he seems to take great pleasure in slamming Secretariat whenever he can, and praise a Sea the Stars.

Uncle Mo might very well rise up there with the great ones and I for one hope he does, but let's see what he does down the road when the competition gets deeper, the races longer and rougher, and track biases come into play.  We need a great horse to come along and help maintain the interest of the past two years and though Mo might be that one, I still need to see a lot more before I am 100%convinced.

11 Jan 2011 11:37 AM
2:24

Draynay - another horse better than Secretariat huh?  Two years ago it was Big Brown, then Rachel Alexandra, then Uncle Mo.  Amazing.  You obviously have something against Secretariat or you wouldn't just throw these comparisons out every year.

Also, while I think that Secretariat was the greatest horse to ever race, I understand how people could argue others including Citation, Slew, and Affirmed.  So while I'll disagree with your ranking, I can see a valid argument.  I think you would be best served to argue Spectacular Bid v. Secretariat if you were trying to attack Secretariat's place in history (although my opinion would be that you would be wrong).

Can you please hold off on the Uncle Mo comparisons for a few months please.

11 Jan 2011 12:11 PM
Draynay

Blame is #1 in World Rankings.  Congrats to him and his connections.

He proved he was the best horse in 2010. Can we start talking about Mo again ?

11 Jan 2011 1:08 PM
LAZMANNICK

Draynay

If Blame is No. One in the World Ranking that just goes to show how superior a certain mare was.  Thanks for bringing this point up.  As ususaly your foot is stuck inside your mouth somewhere.

11 Jan 2011 1:46 PM
Footlick

Dray- then stop bringing other things up if you want people to talk about Uncle mo.  And he isn't #1, Harbinger is.

11 Jan 2011 2:26 PM
Householder

Here are some winners you may not have heard about at age 2.  With some, their first stakes win was around Feb.

Ferdinand

Alysheba

Sunday Silence

Real Quiet

Hardly household names as the New Year rolled around.

11 Jan 2011 2:31 PM
Slew

According to the DRF...top rank in the world goes to Harbinger....

"Harbinger overwhelmed his competition as he was named the highweight horse on the 2010 World Thoroughbred Rankings at 135, six pounds clear of runner-up Blame and seven pounds better than co-3-year-old champions Makfi and Workforce."  So falls another Draynay mistake.

11 Jan 2011 2:43 PM
Householder

On Jan 1, 1987 Alysheba had just won one of seven starts...

On Jan 1, 1986 Ferdinand was only 1 for 5.

On Jan 1, 1988 Winning Colors had won 2 races but had not ran in a stakes race.

On Jan 1, 1989 Sunday Silence was 3 for 4 but would not make his stakes debut for another 2 months.

All would later win the Derby, some would go on to win the Breeder's Cup Classic as well at HOY.  

11 Jan 2011 2:53 PM
Householder

It took seven starts for Real Quiet to break his maiden!  Later he loses the Triple Crown by a nose.  

11 Jan 2011 2:59 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

I noticed as usual you ignore what YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR. Tell everyone about the TVG poll out today that indicate 71% THINKS ZENYATTA WILL WIN HOY.

11 Jan 2011 3:33 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

ANYONE that slams Secretariat,that says it all. You are predictable as usual. I can see it now,if Uncle Mo loses one or two you will forget his name bafore Derby Day. Piece of advice,before you declare him the greatest horse ever why don't you see how it all plays out. BTW, it's a longtime till May. lol  There's only ONE Secretariat,don't care what you say!

11 Jan 2011 3:39 PM
Mike Relva

LAZ

Nice point.

11 Jan 2011 5:42 PM
Householder

Preakness Classic 1989

"Sunday Silence and Easy Goer shared the marquee as the best 3-year-old colts in the sport.  It was Easy Goer, however, who was generally considered the most talented horse in the field despite his narrow loss to Sunday Silence in the Kentucky Derby."

"Even though we were coming off the win at the Derby, I still wasn't that confident about Sunday Silence's chances, admits Arthur Handcock III."  "Easy Goer was a magnificent horse, and something like 97 out of 100 sportwriters predicted he was going to win.  That didn't do much for my confidence level."

"But even Hancock concedes that Easy Goer was an exceptional horse worthty of being the heavy favorite for the Preakness."  

(Alex Laracy ABC Sports).  

11 Jan 2011 5:55 PM
Draynay

2:24, this is my statement.  I have never seen a horse get this good so quickly.  Never. None of the horses you mentioned won his Maiden and then won back to back G1 races and the 2 year old championship.  And his times are amazing and he did them with ease.  He is the best 2 year old I have ever seen.  I've seen many other greats at 2 and NONE OF THEM were as good as after their first and second race as Uncle Mo.  None.

11 Jan 2011 6:05 PM
Draynay

Mike, Secretariat and Uncle Mo both ran 6 furlongs at Saratoga.  Secretariat did it twice and didn't run ANYWHERE near as fast as Uncle Mo did.  All we can do is compare them at 2 years old so far and it's clear to me that Uncle Mo was a better horse FASTER or more Quickly than Secretariat.  Secretariat was still trying to break his Maiden with his 2nd race and Uncle Mo was winning a G1 race in his 2nd race.  Stick with facts people.

11 Jan 2011 6:12 PM
Draynay

Footlick, like it or not Blame is the No 1 dirt horse in the world.  I think Quality Road was ranked 2nd. I am sure if you look your horse is listed somewhere.

11 Jan 2011 6:13 PM
Draynay

I saw this on another site written by another blogger who says it well.

You know...........

The one you are talking about.

The one with the stellar finish.

Where a horse got so much love, even in defeat.

Blame ran on the same cuppy track that day and got there first.

Had Blame ran againast the same field of horses Zenyatta did in those nineteen races (on dirt), I have no doubt in my mind that he too would be 19 for 19. For that matter, he may have beaten those horses on synthetic.

Now, don't get excited.This is not a Zenyatta knock. It is more of an awakening.

Do you really want to know what the problem is with Zenyatta? (and I am serious) And this is a true champion that has one minor flaw in an otherwise perfect career.

And I am not talking about her lose. I am talking about the way the loss occured.

NOT ONCE did they ever get her wound up to 100% for a race. They may say they did, but here is a horse that ran on pure talent. And in a pinch, she didn't get Blame by because of it. You could hear the bias in Trevors voice in the stretch. Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Zenyatta. blah, blah, blah. IT WAS SICKENING to a true race fan!!! It took away from the owner of Blame. Terrible.

But what no one heard was his remark down the backstretch that Zenyatta was being used early to keep up. You know what? Too bad. Whose fault is that? Poor Zenyatta was used early to keep up.

Great career, great horse, great race placement, great runner. But in the end, the connections that made her, cost her the BC.

I loved Blame in the Classic, but I will contend that had Zenyatta been in a dogfight just once, she may gotten home first on BC day, instead of feeling 25 shots with the whip compared to the THREE that Blame got. And then to top it off, Trevor added that Zenyatta had to weave her way through,while Blame got a perfect trip. In reality, Blame muscled his way through in the stretch to win more easily that it looked.

And please don't tell me that the few races where Zenyatta almost. got beat were "hard races".

11 Jan 2011 6:34 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

Ok,I'm  only saying talk to me in May about Uncle Mo.

11 Jan 2011 6:38 PM
LAZMANNICK

Draynay

Who was that esteemed blogger that posted all that stuff on another site......Afleetalexforever?

11 Jan 2011 7:31 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

I'm shocked that you are actually throwing some compliments Zenyatta's way. Could it be cause of the two hundred or so times before Nov when your statement was "Zenyatta will be exposed". I know a six yr. old mare BEAT EVERYONE except one horse that

got her by a head. Yes,your QR had a bad post,but he wasn't beating her that day anyway. She made the others seem slow and her behind twenty lengths WAS NOT BY DESIGN. I've heard some say "she got her trip". Come on. When Blame is remembered it won't be for the HOF cause he most likely won't get in,it will be for the only horse that beat her. He's a nice horse,but won't be discussed in the same breath as  Zenyatta is twenty yrs from now. That is a sure bet for you.

11 Jan 2011 9:20 PM
Footlick

Actually, Dray, if you look at Timeform, Quality Road is the #1 dirt horse in the world with Blame and Zenyatta tied for second.  And if you look at Globeform's rankings before the Breeder's Cup, Zenyatta was the number one ranked for the Classic.  It just depends on where you look.

11 Jan 2011 10:53 PM
Footlick

Draynay- horses in the days when Secretariat and others were running were brought along slowly.  They were expected to run 6-8 races, and not to be rushed.  So they went through their conditions.  You cannot compare they way they were campaigned to the sparse way they campaign two year olds now.  If Secretariat was campaigned now, he probably have made his first start in a gr 1.  You have to look at how horses were campaigned, not just raw facts.  If you want to look at a raw fact, War Pass ran a neg 3.5 winning in the slop at Monmouth.  Two horses ran faster that day, Curlin and Midnight Lute.  That was probably the fastest performance by a two year old.  Midnight Lute got a neg 7, which matched his previous race.  Curlin got a neg 4.  Hard Spun, in the Classic got a neg 1.5 which basically matched his last few races.

11 Jan 2011 11:13 PM
Footlick

And by the way, Draynay, I don't buy your "praise" of Zenyatta.  

11 Jan 2011 11:14 PM
GunBow

Folks, let Draynay have the belief that Uncle Mo is the best 2 year old.  It's HIS opinion.  You can't tell him his opinion is wrong because it's HIS opinion.  We're in the realm of opinion.  I know how tempting it is to present facts about Secretariat, or Slew, or Bid, etc, but HIS opinion is HIS opinion.  The fact that most of us believe he is wrong is not likely to change his opinion.

I shared my opinion that Grand Canyon is the best 2 year old of the last 2 decades.  Many people can show me facts why Horse A or Horse B should be considered better 2 year olds than Grand Canyon, but it's not going to change MY opinion that Grand Canyon was best.

And when it comes to Draynay's prediction that Uncle Mo will win the Derby and Triple Crown, just let history do your speaking.  History has been the best counter-argument to most of Draynay's predictions, predictions which he gave with such authority and certainty yet which ultimately proved to be incorrect. The fact is, no one, no one knows for certain that Uncle Mo will win the Triple Crown or knows for certain that he will not win the Triple Crown for that matter.  We can list hundreds of reasons why Draynay is getting ahead of himself by making such a prediction, but in the end we do not know for certain that Uncle Mo will not win the Triple Crown.

Making predictions about future races on social networks like this one is not particularly bold.  For the most part, no one else is going to care as much about your predictions as you will.  Thus, most people after a few weeks will forget your predicition and might even forget you made a prediction.  And if you make alot of predictions, it's even easier for other people to get confused; again, most people are interested in following their own predictions not keeping a running tally on someone else's predicitions.  

As a result, by the time history has proven your prediction either wrong or correct, most will have forgotten about it and thus will not call you on any mistake you might have made.  However, if it turns out you were correct, you can always point back to the prediction and salute yourself for great insight.

Draynay might be an exception.  Somehow, he's made people care enough about his opinion that they actaully keep track of his predictions and call him on his mistakes.  Draynay has been absolutely successful in getting others to take an interest in his opinions and predicitions, even if the motivation is to prove him wrong.  And that's not an easy accomplishment.  

12 Jan 2011 4:04 AM
GunBow

To back up my earlier post on opinion and predictions, I was going back through this blog from late May of 2010.  Specifically, I was going back to see what I had written about Twirling Candy after he had won his 2nd start, an allowance at Hollywood Park.  Yes, like most other people, I am most interested in keeping track of my own predictions.

But while I was scrolling down trying to find my posts, I read some real "classic" Draynay posts.

From May 29th, 9:23pm:

"MARK MY WORDS ZENYATTA WILL NEVER RACE ON DIRT AGAIN."  (emphasis in the original)

From May 29th, 9:39pm:

"Can Quality Road get 1 1/4 ? Umm. Huh?  Did you see the Donn?  After watching the Donn and a horse run a 109 like it was nothing if he jogs home in 50 seconds that is a 159 !!!  Who on earth can handle that ?"

"You need to come to grips that we are seeing a all time great in 2010"

"No horse in the present and none in the past could deal with this monster."

I didn't set out to find incorrect Draynay predictions, but there they were, just begging me to read them.  And that proves my point about making predictions. Who is going to go back and read all the thousands of posts and keep track of everyone's predicitions.  The answer, no one.  Mistaken predictions are forgotten about, while correct ones are brought up by the people who make them.

Again, I didn't mean to single Draynay out.  We've all made predictions that proved to be wrong.  And Draynay has made so many predictions that he was bound to get some of them wrong.  

All this is why I don't take most predictions that seriously, no matter how certain someone seems.  If horse racing was filled with certainty, we all would have made millions at the windows.

12 Jan 2011 4:38 AM
Footlick

Then on one of the European sites, they said to remember to add the sex allowance to Zenyatta and Goldikova's weights to get a true ranking of their rankings against males.  That makes them even closer.

12 Jan 2011 8:24 AM
Slew

Laz: give it up...we all know Dray can't read, and AAF would never say a nice thing about Zen.  

Harbinger is the #1 in world rankings....but Dray missed that part of the news.  

As far as HOY goes..give it up everyone...the ballots are in, the final votes tabulated.  In 5 days, we'll know who came out on top.  Until then, nothing anyone says has any weight.  

Concentrating on the Triple Crown seems a more worthwhile pursuit at this time.  Uncle Mo has been spectacular, but he's had only 3 races...not enough to make a fair judgement.  While we praise a contender, we may just be talking about an incredible sprinter.  I'm rather certain his dam's line will let us know how he takes to distance.  There are quite a few 3 year olds to consider now, and I'm looking foward to see how Bernardini's colts do.  Very few will get enough races in before the Derby though, and I have to wonder if the fragility that comes with the speed has diminished the luster of the stamina needed for a Triple Crown winner.

12 Jan 2011 9:16 AM
The Bid

I TOO think MO will win The Derby and Maybe TC!!!! There is one New nuance NO-ONE is mentioning for the TC trail this year which could factor in NO TC this year!! That is how the $5 million Preakness Bonus will play on The Trail..Tracks that are part of it are Santa Anita and Gulfstream..You win San Felipe or equivalent AND San Anita Derby inc. Preakness and same for Tampa bay And Fla. Derby..My point to this is remember what Red Bullet did do Drysdale(my Fav. trainer) and Fu. Peg., just curious to see if there will be a "Hired Gun" for The Derby winner...$5 million Smollions is alot of LUTE...I'll bet on MO,REGARDLESS...Wood may be Cursed...Curses are meant to be broken.

12 Jan 2011 12:05 PM
Slew

Matthew w: I meant to add a Thank You for you post of 10 Jan 2011 8:10 PM ...Though I can assure you the compliment is most undeserved.  Like you, I remain a student of the game, and learn so much more every day from other posters, with special thanks to Gun Bow, who brings so much emotion along with the history.  As far as I am concerned, any day not spent learning something new..is simply a wasted day.  So thanks...we'll simply learn together....and aren't we having fun doing it?  

12 Jan 2011 12:35 PM
Mike Relva

GUNBOW

Great research,Draynay can't admit when he's wrong,which is often. His fragile ego can't deal with it.

12 Jan 2011 5:20 PM
Draynay

Gunbow, my prediction was 100% correct.  Zenyatta never did race on dirt again.  She showed up but it really wasn't much of a race she was never really in it.  A tiring track that favored closers ALL DAY and she couldn't get the job done?  While getting whipped again and again? What about my 1000 predictions that Zenyatta would never ever beat G1 winning males on dirt?  Or that she had 0 chance of winning the Breeders Cup?

Do me a favor GunBow list all the big races Zenyatta WON last year and then list the races BLAME WON last year and compare them race for race and then come back and tell me who is the HOY.  It's not even close.  Blame.

12 Jan 2011 6:04 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

SHE BEAT GRADE 1 MALES ON DIRT. What do you think she did to those other horses? You were the one that said"take QR to the bank". Remember? I'm waiting for you to admit the TVG poll yesterday where over 70 % says she will win HOY. Do you realize if you were in a room with HOF trainers and writers that's stated Zenyatta is a once in a lifetime mare just how silly you would look with all the million insults you've thrown her way? Face it,many in the industry DON'T agree!

12 Jan 2011 7:32 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

Please stop saying your prediction was a hundred per cent correct. If it were your QR would've beat her and won. Remember him? Of course not.

12 Jan 2011 7:45 PM
Dr. Kevorkian

Draynay

I have the perfect "cocktail" for you,let me know if you're thirsty.

12 Jan 2011 11:51 PM
Draynay

Mike, I guess you don't want to write down the races Blame and Zenyatta WON and compare.  I don't BLAME you.  You better hope she doesn't win HOY Mike because it will be a black eye on the sport. Blame won it on the track the only way they can take it from him is off the track.  Synthetic specialist don't win HOY.

13 Jan 2011 12:03 AM
Draynay

Mike, she didn't beat any G1 winning males.  She was simply the first one to lose.  She was never in the race.  Atleast a few tried to win.  She never had a chance from 18 lengths back.  The only thing she ended up with was a sore rump.

13 Jan 2011 12:06 AM
GunBow

Draynay:

Your predictions that I quoted were wrong.  You predicted Zenyatta wouldn't even make it to the starting gate of the Breeder's Cup or any other dirt race against gr.1 males.  You were wrong.  And you were wrong about Quality Road dominating the year; you weren't hyping up Blame, who you now heavily support, as HoY; instead,  you were proclaiming Quality Road as not just the horse of this year but one of the great horses of all time.  

Now, in terms of your prediction that Zenyatta wouldn't beat gr.1 males on dirt, technically she did "beat" Lookin at Lucky, Quality Road, Paddy O'Prado, and Haynesfield by finishing ahead of them in the Breeder's Cup Classic.  

The word "beat" can also be used to more narrowly describe all the horses that finsihed behind a particular horse when that horse won a race; thus when  people were comparing the fields Zenyatta and Rachel faced, most referred only to the horses that finished behind each in the races in which they won, not every horse that had finished behind them(although with Zenyatta, until the BC Classic, the two were one in the same because she had won every one of her starts).  Thus, by this usage of the term "beat", your prediction that Zenyatta would not beat gr.1 males on dirt was correct(in other words, you were correct that she would not win a gr.1 dirt race open to males).

And I will say that you were unambiguously correct when he predicted that Zenyatta would not win the BC Classic.  She was definitely in the race, as Garrett Gomez will testify, but yes Blame did beat her.  I never claimed that you were always wrong.  

As for who wins the HoY, I don't care all that much beyond my belief that both would be a deserving winner.

13 Jan 2011 4:12 AM
Billy's Empire

Wasn't there a poll out last year that basically said the same thing, that the Fans thought Zenyatta should win the Eclipse award, and didn't Rachel Alexander win? Just wondering. On my theme of staying positive this year, how about the positive results so far at the Keeneland Sale. Now, if we could only pass the gaming bill...

13 Jan 2011 9:09 AM
Forbidden Apple

Is Draynay a 12 year old boy/girl? It's difficult to read all of this trash talking without responding. Sometimes I think he or she writes this junk just to annoy others. I remember you being on Quarter Crack Roads bandwagon all year long. So how can you now say that you loved Blame in the 2010 Classic? And now I am remembering that you are the one who was in love with Dublin last year, what a joke. Let me know when Mo runs a 1 1/4 mile race under 1:58! Mo vs. Secretariat is like comparing aluminum to platinum.

I forgot to include Easy Goer and Afleet Alex in my list above of 2 year old colts. Afleet Alex won his maiden race, an allowance race, the Grade II Sanford, and then the Grade I Hopeful as a 2 year old. I thought his effort in the Sanford was brilliant, extremely fast for a young colt. He was able to maintain his speed and still run on and win a 1 1/2 mile race in Grade I company. I can't wait to see senor Mo run at 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 miles.

Finally Dray, Zenyatta deserves far more respect from you and everyone else that trashes her name and talent. The fact that she was 20 lengths behind in the classic and then only lost by half of a head is amazing to me. Yes she did lose the race, but she was in front just passed the wire. It's not like she lost by 20 lengths or more like your beloved Quarter Crack Road. I am a huge Zenyatta fan, but even I predicted a Blame over Zenyatta exacta in the Classic. I picked against Zenyatta because of her late running style and the fact that Blame loves Churchill Downs. One race does not make Blame better than Zenyatta. You and others so easily have handed the HOY trophy to Blame because you value a Grade I gainst colts more than a Grade I against fillies. And you value a Grade I on dirt more than a Grade I on turf. Some people cry out for peace, this sport needs a cry out for equal rights and purse money. Yes Zenyatta beat up on fillies and mares all year long, but Blame did not beat any champions either. His most impressive race to me was in the Whitney where he beat Q.R. with a hand ride by Gomez. So besides the Whitney, what other notable horses did he beat before last years classic?

13 Jan 2011 10:55 AM
Mike Relva

FORBIDDEN APPLE

Good points. DRAYNAY DOESN'T take ownership when he's wrong and can't "man up" which is often. He acts as if he picked Blame from the beginning. No,Zenyatta didn't win as I stated she would,but what did QR do? Last time I checked,Zenyatta came closer than QR. Funny how DRAYNAY doesn't remember. lol

13 Jan 2011 11:59 AM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY aka TAKE QR TO THE BANK

People in the industry would laugh you out of the room if you talked your anti Zenyatta trash. You were NEVER on Blame,so don't pretend you were,that's alot of bs. The only "black eye" is you calling yourself a fan.

13 Jan 2011 12:04 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

Are you nuts? She beat EVERY GRADE 1 HORSE in the race but Blame.

13 Jan 2011 12:06 PM
Draynay

Forbidden Apple:  I was at the Classic race at the finish line and at NO POINT did Zenyatta EVER pass Blame.  Not at the wire, 10 yards past the wire, 50 yards past the wire or 100 yards past the wire.  Gomez made sure of it.  The track was a tiring track and speed horses were dropping like flies all day.  I don't want to hear any garbage about Zenyatta being 18 lengths back blah blah blah.  DAKOTA PHONE was 15 back going only a mile! He circled 10 wide on the stretch and ran them all down.  He won!  It was a perfect closing track and he won from the clouds.  Zenyatta lost!  She was never really a factor.  She was closing yes but never had a chance to win.  She was never going to get by Blame and never did.  Please don't tell me how wonderful a race she ran without talking about Dakota Phone.  He was MUCH more impressive and actually got the job done.  Zenyatta took it easy all year and went all in on the Classic and got beat just like every other horse.  How much was your win ticket on Zenyatta worth? The exact same as my win ticket on Quality Road.  What mattered to me most is that Zenyatta lost just like I said she would.  She was a plastic champion.  I hope they give her HOY so I can laugh every day knowing they had to GIVE it to her because she couldn't EARN it on the track.  Looking at the races she won vs. the races Blame won there should BE NOT DOUBT who is the HOY.  The fact that some will even vote for Zenyatta is a complete joke. She only wins one dirt race all year and none over 1 1/8th and you want to give her HOY? What a joke.  Like I said a thousand times let me know when she wins a single race East of the Mississippi.

13 Jan 2011 3:26 PM
LAZMANNICK

Draynay

It's funny but there is a photo going around that shows that she clearly passed him.  If you were at the finish line then as soon as they passed you you didn't have a proper angle.  If you were past the line you still didn't have a proper angle. What I find disturbing is that QR was your boy and finished dead last and your only concern is putting Zenyatta down.

13 Jan 2011 4:46 PM
Jason Shandler

Laz: He's right. She never passed Blame. I saw the photo too. It was the angle that made it seem like she was pased him. All you have to do is watch the gallop out on replay to see that she didnt.

13 Jan 2011 4:50 PM
LAZMANNICK

It's funny Jason, but I'm looking at a photo right now with the two of them past the wire and at an angle that favors the inside horse and the 8 is clearly past the inside horse.

13 Jan 2011 5:20 PM
Mike Relva

JASON

Like LAZ stated,its' funny how DRAYNAY'S main purpose is putting Zenyatta down,he seems to suffer from memory loss regarding his wonder horse QR.

13 Jan 2011 5:24 PM
Jason Shandler

Watch the replay. Never gets past. Doesnt matter anyway; she lost. Accept it.

13 Jan 2011 5:43 PM
Draynay

Does the fact Zenyatta finished ahead of Quality Road change the fact that our win tickets were worthless?  Quality Road had a great year and peaked a bit early so what. His resume of wins still looks better than Zenyatta.  Maybe that is why he is ranked ON TOP of her.  His wins in the Donn, Met Mile and Woodward are more impressive than anything Zenyatta did all year.  Laz, you can spin all you want but Zenyatta never went by Blame and the tape doesn't lie.  As a matter of fact watch the jog out and notice Gomez looks back to make sure Blame stays in front of her and she pulls up first.  Gomez didn't want to hear any garbage about Zenyatta beating Blame if the race was just 500 yards longer.

13 Jan 2011 6:09 PM
LAZMANNICK

I accepted it as soon as the race was over.  Maybe some others should back off as well.

13 Jan 2011 6:34 PM
Jason Shandler

If you're still talking about a post-wire photo two months later it doesnt sound as if you've accepted it.

13 Jan 2011 6:53 PM
LAZMANNICK

I'm only answering a response to your boy.

13 Jan 2011 8:18 PM
Footlick

Haven't we gone through this enough?  Why continue to rehash it.  Do you really think you are going to get respect for Zenyatta on here?  Think again.  You have to take solace in the many, many horsemen from around the world who have been involved in the business for a long, long time who do respect her as a racehorse.  Draynay needs attention so badly that he keeps having to resurrect this topic.  To him and his ilk,  Zenyatta finishing second means she finished last.  It means that she couldn't run on dirt.  Obviously, that type of thinking deserves no respect and has no merit.  But they continue to jab.  Because you guys continue to react.  That is what they want.  Who cares what they think.  Let her retire in peace.  She ran a great race.  She didn't win.  It isn't the end of the world.  Everyone just has to move on.  Jason is always going to let Dray take jabs at her just like he is always going to let you guys respond.  Let's just move on and talk about the 3 yr olds like this blog was supposed to be doing.

13 Jan 2011 9:46 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

Perhaps you're upset from all the months of boasting that your wonder horse,QR would win the Breeders and HOY. lol Get a clue,it's not like Zenyatta finished last was it? lol You should take ownership.

14 Jan 2011 11:36 AM
Mike Relva

FOOTLICK

Good comments that indicates you're the voice of reason. I agree and as you know I've made the point many times of how many HOF trainers as well as writers that look at her as a once in a lifetime racehorse.

14 Jan 2011 11:39 AM
Footlick

Thanks Mike

I just think it is time to move on.  It is pointless to keep perpetuating something that will never be resolved here.  Time to focus on something else.  All that will happen is that it will turn ugly once again, as it probably will when HOY is announced.  Instead of reacting, let's just move on.  You know what the comments will be like no matter which horse wins.  If we all can just rise above it..........

14 Jan 2011 12:09 PM
LAZMANNICK

What's the sense of talking about the 3 year-olds.  Draynay has spoken.  Uncle Mo is the winner of the Derby and the Triple Crown.  

14 Jan 2011 12:43 PM
Footlick

Jason- somebody may have asked you this, but how do you assess Clubhouse Ride.  I know he is a listed winner and gr stakes placed, but he has stamina ion his blood and I think he might appreciate the 10 furlongs.  Also, Comma at the Top is going to GG for his next race.  They said that they are doing it because he likes the track, but especially with his style Santa Anita seems to favor him.  What do you think?

14 Jan 2011 1:16 PM
Draynay

Footlick, give it a rest.  ALL YEAR LONG we had to hear endless drivel about Zenyatta.  Zenyatta this Zenyatta that.  She raced against a bunch of nothing in California came to Churchill with it all on the line and lost.  You don't want to talk about it because she flat out LOST. She ran a great race? No, Dakota Phone ran a great race.  Zenyatta put in a good effort but wasn't good enough for a track that was playing perfect for closers.  To the victor go the spoils I wish one of you Zenyatta fans would just ADMIT that HOY is won on the track and if that is the case it deserves to be Blame.  Admit it.

14 Jan 2011 1:31 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

I'll admit it when you admit how much you hate Zenyatta and how many times you fall on your face w/ your predictions!

14 Jan 2011 4:03 PM
Footlick

It's so nice that Dray keeps proving my point.

14 Jan 2011 5:15 PM
Draynay

Now you know why Rachel was the HOY for 2009.  She won against top males on dirt again and again.  The hardest thing in racing for a mare to do is beat top males on dirt.  It has been that way for more than 100 years.  Rachel stepped up and beat them again and again.  Zenyatta stepped up one time and LOST.  The only thing I will remember about Zenyatta is she was a state synthetic champion.  Big deal.  Hopefully we will be able to talk about the best mare ever all year this year instead of a pretender.  Goldikova is the real champion and the greatest mare I have ever seen.

14 Jan 2011 6:43 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

What you will be remembered for is ALL BS. What about your wonder horse QR? Is he the greatest colt you've ever seen? lol BTW, you're the pretender cause you convince yourself you actually know something about racing

14 Jan 2011 7:02 PM
Footlick

I'm glad you enjoy him, Jason.

14 Jan 2011 7:03 PM
Householder

Zenyatta was completly trounced by a far superior horse.  Beaten by some .25 length or more.  She was completly exposed for the true fraud that she was.  Her record of 19-1 will be erased.  Her 8-9 consecutive Grade 1 wins ignored.  

Sorry folks you simply can't re-write history.  

14 Jan 2011 8:23 PM
Draynay

Mike, put up or shut up.  Quality Road won the Donn, Met Mile and the Woodward.  Now put up Zenyatta's wins and let me know who had a better year.... that's what I thought.

14 Jan 2011 8:41 PM
LAZMANNICK

Footlick

Every Blog has to have one.  At least it keeps me amused.

14 Jan 2011 8:44 PM
Footlick

It amuses me to a point.  Then it stops being amusing.

14 Jan 2011 9:02 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

Tell me  who QR beat last yr other than Blame. You always say Zenyatta didn't beat anyone,what about your wonder horse? It's killing you that you were wrong about him winning Breeders and HOY. I saidI   was wrong about Zenyatta beating Blame. Who do you think most came to see in Breeders? Blame,QR? You're crazy if you believe everyone was there to see them. Where's their story on sixty minutes? Hasn't been a horse since Secretariat,other than maybe Cigar that's generated the public attention that Zenyatta did. You can't handle it. Get back to me when Blame gets into the HOF. Zenyatta is the greatest mare that ever lived. How many horses do you think could've run Switch down. Ninety nine per cent would've been beat. Didn't Switch beat Blind Luck? BTW on a dirt track last yr Zenyatta showed up to take your RA on, remember? The same Ra that you crowed would win another HOY. The same RA that wasn't the same and when she got beat by lower tier horses you made excuses,remember? Your opinions pale compared to individuals that deal a strong hand in racing that think otherwise about Zenyatta. Compared to them(the real people in the know) your opinions sink like quicksand.

14 Jan 2011 9:45 PM
Slew

Householder: Giggle..tee..hee. Loved it!  ;)

15 Jan 2011 9:13 AM
Draynay

Mike, Rachel was the best 3 year old I have ever seen male or female.  Coming back in top form after such a wonderful year was not to be but it does nothing to diminish what she did at 3.  You will never see anything like it again.  Zenyatta was good Mike but she took the easy route and the easy races.  Goldikova is by FAR the best Mare I have ever seen. Mike, please take off your rose colored glasses and look at the races Goldikova has won and match them next to races Zenyatta has won.  Zenyatta only won 2 races outside of California. Lol.  Give me a break it's a silly conversation.  Anyone that ranks Zenyatta above Goldikova is not interested in a real conversation.

16 Jan 2011 2:21 PM
Footlick

Just rise above it, people.

16 Jan 2011 5:09 PM
LAZMANNICK

Mike

I know you have been watching horse racing for more than the five or six years that Draynay has.

16 Jan 2011 7:32 PM
Mike Relva

LAZ

The way he talks sometimes I think he's only watched for five or six DAYS. lol

16 Jan 2011 9:40 PM
Footlick

Now Laz- he had his picture taken with Citation.  C'mon.

17 Jan 2011 12:41 AM
Footlick

Dray- Goldikova is not even close to being the best mare to run in Europe.  And if I want real conversation I will look elsewhere than you.  Thanks anyway.

17 Jan 2011 12:43 AM
LAZMANNICK

Footlick

Is that the one where Citation isn't smiling and is rolling his eyes upward?

17 Jan 2011 11:22 AM
Draynay

Footlick, why don't you name ALL THOSE mares more accomplished than Goldikova.  Laughable.

17 Jan 2011 6:54 PM
Footlick

lol

17 Jan 2011 8:08 PM
Footlick

I do have to say that I meant in European history, not this year.  So, unlike you, I will qualify that by saying she was the best this year although some will argue that Midday was just as good.  Then of course you have Buena Vista form Japan, who some might argue for also even though she never ran in Europe.  But, in the list of greatest fillies/mares of all time in Europe,  there are Allez France and Dahlia, Miesque, Ouija Board, All Along, Pebbles and of course Zarkava who handily defeated her twice.  You could make an argument for Tryptich, a consistent high class performer who ran against males many times.  Then there are a couple of high weight sprinters, two from the 50's and one from the 80's.  Most are on the all-time highweight list of Timeform, which means that they cannot be weighted lower than 135.

If you would like I could start listing the horses who are not on that list but probably fully capable of being as good as Goldikova, like Pawnesse and Three Troikas.  So, if you look at this it is not laughable at all.

17 Jan 2011 10:21 PM
Draynay

Footlick, do me a favor and buy a map.  Japan is not anywhere near Europe.  Geez.

17 Jan 2011 11:11 PM
Footlick

Dray-maybe you should learn to read.  I already qualified that statement.  When you have something knowledgable to say on the subject I'll respond.  Otherwise, have a good Triple Crown.

17 Jan 2011 11:32 PM
GunBow

Draynay is correct about one thing, it is much harder for females to beat gr.1 older males on dirt around 2 turns than it is for females to beat older males on turf(at any distance although turf females seem to do better against males at a mile than at 12 furlongs) or beat males sprinting on dirt.  As for synthetics, there is just not enough data, but given that most synthetic surfaces play like a mix of dirt and turf, then one would think that it would be slightly easier for females to beat males on synthetics compared to dirt.  Zenyatta aside, though, I cannot recall off the top of my head a female running well against gr.1 males on synthetic(St. Trinians' 6th in the Big Cap comes to mind as one of the rare examples).

That's why I find it hard to compare Goldikova to Zenyatta.  Yes, Goldikova has beaten males repeatedly while Zenyatta did it only once, but it is common in Europe for females to race against and beat males at middle distances(on turf of course).  Even in America it is much more common for females to beat males, even in grade 1s, at a mile on turf than at classic distances on dirt, as reflected by the results of the Breeder's Cup.  In the history of the BC Mile(turf), 5 females have accounted for 8 victories.  And even outside of the BC, over the last 3 years we have seen Proviso beat the boys in the gr.1 Kilroe(at a mile), and Ventura beat the boys in the gr.1 Woodbine Mile(while running 2nd in the Woodbine mile in 08') in addition to being nosed by Gio Ponti in the 08' Kilroe.

Even at longer diatnces on turf, it is not that unusual for females to beat males, as the names Zarkava, Dar Rei Me, Ouija Board, Pride, Vodka, Makybe Diva, Urban Sea, and All Along attest.  Strikingly, females won the Arc 5 straight years from 1979-1983.  And before the BC Filly and Mare Turf came along to steal most of the top female turf horses, Pebbles(85') and Miss Alleged(91') won the BC Turf.

As for sprinting on dirt, females have done quite well.  3 females(Very Subtle, Safely Kept, Desert Stormer) have won the BC Sprint and a number of have finished runner-up(Safely Kept 89', Meafara 92' + 93', Soviet Problem 94', Honest Lady 00', and Xtra Heat 01').

In comparison to all of these female triumphs on turf and dirt sprints, Zenyatta's performances in the BC Classic have few modern precedents.  There was Shuvee in the Jockey Club Gold Cups and Princessnessian in the Hollywood Gold Cup, but that was the late 60s/early 70s.  Lady's Secret and Personal Ensign both won runnings of the Whitney, but that was at 9 furlongs against modest competition.  

There have been a number of successes by females in the Triple Crown races in recent years, with Genuine Risk and Winning Colors capturing the Derby, Rachel Alexandra taking the Preakness, and Rags to Riches netting the Belmont.  However, those wins came in races restricted to 3 year olds.

The most recent example, prior to Zenyatta's 09' BC Classic, of a female winning a two turn gr.1 dirt race against older males was Rachel Alexandra winning the 09' Woodward.  The victory by Rachel was historic and clinched  a deserving HoY title, but it did come at 9 furlongs rather than 10 and against solid but not championship competition.

The Breeder's Cup Classic is the world's greatest open dirt race at a classic distance; over this there is little dispute.  In the history of the Classic, females have only run in the money on 3 occassions, and 2 were by Zenyatta; and Zenyatta is the only female to finish first or second.  Certainly, one can argue that the BC Distaff robbed us of many chances for a female to beat males; perhaps had Princess Rooney, Lady's Secret, Bayakoa, Paseana, Inside Information, Jewel Princess, or Azeri tried the Classic the years they won the Distaff, one might have been able to pull the upset.  However, the connections of all of these great females did have the option of running in the Classic, but all except for Azeri in 2004 chose to run against females in the Distaff rather than the Classic.  For as much criticism as Jerry Moss and John Sherriffs receive for being too conservative, the mere fact they ran Zenyatta in the Classic twice makes them bolder than any other owner/trainer has been in the Classic.  

Even if we discount Zenyatta's win in the 09' Classic because it was on synthetics, her narrow defeat in 10' is by far the best performance ever by a female in the BC Classic(again, the lack of females to have ever even run in the Classic reflects a CHOICE on the part of owners and trainers to take the "easier" route and run in the Distaff).  I think one can go further and make a solid argument that Zenyatta's 10' Classic runner-up was the best performance by a female in an open gr.1 dirt race

at a classic distance since the grading system was established.  

For as much criticism as Rachel and Zenyatta have received from their detractors, if you look at their accomplishments historically, they truly are anomalies.  3 year old fillies just aren't supposed to win the Preakness and Haskell AND also beat older males in a gr.1 around 2 turns.  And females of any age just don't win BC Classics or even run 2nd(by a nose), let alone do both.  Rachel and Zenyatta have spoiled us, and forever altered the definition of what it means to be a great female racehorse in North America.  I pity the next group of top fillies and mares that have to follow them.

18 Jan 2011 5:45 AM
Footlick

Thanks again GunBow

18 Jan 2011 10:07 AM
LAZMANNICK

GunBow

Don't forget that Life Is Sweet ran a tiring third in the HGC.  She was still a non-threatening third and was simply passing tired horses.  You're right as usual.  It is quite a feat and females do have much more success against males on turf than dirt.

18 Jan 2011 11:43 AM
Draynay

Gunbow, Zenyatta's career is built on 2 races.  She won on her home court in the BC because few could do well on the surface.  Her last race she found the perfect track AGAIN.  A sticky tiring track where speed was falling off all day.  She lost. But many give her way too much credit for coming close but take no points away for her barley beating St. Trinians.  The sport just rewarded Zenyatta for taking the easy path all year and then losing.  It is a black eye to the sport and a disgrace placing Blame 2nd when he won it all on the track.

18 Jan 2011 1:22 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

First,you WERE NEVER ON BLAME. Let's get that out of the way,ok? Second, Blame NEVER captured the fans interest like her. Third,let's don't kid one another I'm WAY AHEAD OF YOU cause if Zenyatta had beat Blame,your excuse would've been she only beat males once on dirt. Did you shoot your tv screen when they announced Zenyatta had won HOY? lol

18 Jan 2011 6:03 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

BTW last week you posted that Goldie was the "greatest mare you've ever seen". Remember? Didn't you say last year it was RA? Bet you didn't think I would catch that. lol

18 Jan 2011 6:06 PM
Draynay

No Mike you are wrong.  I just thought it was sad that they had to "give" her the reward because she didn't earn it on the track Blame did.  Fact is if Blame won by 2 lengths he would have been HOY and many writers said so.  But because he won by just a head it gave license to those who wanted Zenyatta to win so badly.  RA is the best 3 year old male or female I have ever seen and Spectacular Bid is the best older horse I have ever seen and Goldie is the best mare I have ever seen.

18 Jan 2011 8:05 PM
Mj Hawk

So glad to hear that Zenyatta won HOY. Which was the way it should be.  

18 Jan 2011 8:12 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

I'll give you this,like you've stated what RA did may  never see again by a filly. I'm in agreement on that. She was one great horse.

18 Jan 2011 9:39 PM
Forbidden Apple

Draynay,

When are you going to get real about Quality Road, take a look back at who he beat in the Donn and Woodward. He beat a bunch of allowance horses at best, his Breeders Cup Classic says it all about his talent level.

And just remember that Zenyatta won 5 grade I races in 2010, she is clearly a deserving champion. Let me know if you ever make it to Saratoga, maybe I can buy you a new pair of glasses and a muzzle.

19 Jan 2011 12:25 AM
Draynay

All the races Zenyatta won in 2010 she didn't beat a single G1 winning horse.  She didn't win all year past 1 1/8th and she didn't beat males.  This makes a mockery of HOY.  She earned nothing.

19 Jan 2011 8:29 PM
Forbidden Apple

Draynay,

You are the ultimate hater in this game. Without any research I can tell you that Switch was a Grade I winning horse that Zenyatta beat. She also beat Grade I winners Lookin At Lucky, Paddy O'Prado, Haynesfield, and Quality Road at 1 1/4 miles in the 2010 B.C. Classic, they are all MALES. What Grade I horses did Quality Road beat in 2010? The answer is NONE! He beat Dry Martini in the Donn and Mythical Power in the Woodward, that is a real joke. For some reason you can not accept the greatness within Zenyatta. She is a 13 time Grade I winner, Your thoughts are blurred by hate. And besides the B.C. Classic, the only Grade I winner that Blame beat was Quality Road in the Whitney. Zenyatta has a 2008 Ladies Classic win, a 2009 B.C. Classic win, and  2nd in the 2010 B.C. Classic. That is more Classic wins than Blame and Quality Road together, she also has more grade I wins in her career than both horses combined.

20 Jan 2011 11:13 AM
LAZMANNICK

Draynay…….It’s time to move on and bask in the glory of your new discovery, Uncle Mo (until he loses and you find another one).  But before you do here are two quotes from two of the greatest trainers of all time…….John Nerud, 97 years old and the trainer of Dr. Fager and one of the greatest fillies ever, Ta Wee, said that Zenyatta if the greatest female race horse he has ever see……..Allen Jenkins who said he has seen Citation and Secretariat said that Zenyatta is just as good as any of them.  I know their knowledge doesn’t begin to reach yours, but I think they’ll get over it.  Get over it yourself.  Enjoy perfection, something I guarantee you’ll never see again.

20 Jan 2011 2:14 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

You keep saying Zenyatta didn't beat any Grade one horses. What do you think she did to the one's in Breeders? You act as if she came in LAST. That was your boy QR that finished last. Your opinion pales with the 128 that voted her HOY. Stop crying,it's over!

20 Jan 2011 6:12 PM
Mike Relva

LAZ

Great points. last month BILLY'S EMPIRE said he "didn't care" when I told him Allen Jerkins said Zenyatta is a once in a lifetime. It's great he knows much more than a HOF trainer that's been in the business fifty plus yrs. lol

20 Jan 2011 6:15 PM
Draynay

Zenyatta dodged the best competition again and again.  She was a poly specialist and her record on dirt proves it.  She never beat males on dirt.  Rachel did it 3 times as a 3 year old.  Zenyatta at her best was never close to being as good as Rachel at her best.  Get over it.

20 Jan 2011 6:40 PM
Draynay

Forbidden Apple get a grip.  She has G1 wins against mares in California on a plastic track who cares?  She never beat males on dirt in her entire career.  For 100 years we have graded racing based on G1 open wins.  Zenyatta has just 1 on a poly track.  BIG DEAL.  She never did it on dirt.  Comparing her to Quality Road and Blame and the races they won compared to the BS races she won in California is a joke.  Blame was 2010 HOY and I have a shirt that says that on the back and I wear it to the track every Saturday and most agree.  Blame won it on the track Zenyatta was a pretender that got exposed and lost just like I said she would.  

20 Jan 2011 6:56 PM
LAZMANNICK

Draynay

Wear your shirt.  Now everyone that goes to the track will know that you don't know what you are talking about.

20 Jan 2011 9:23 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

You know that's a lie,when you talk nuts like that saying Zenyatta never beat males on dirt. WHAT ABOUT THOSE MALES SHE BEAT ON DIRT IN THE CLASSIC? YOU NEED A REALITY CHECK! YOU DIDN'T GET A VOTE FOR HOY.

20 Jan 2011 9:42 PM
Footlick

This blog is about Uncle Mo, right?

20 Jan 2011 11:32 PM
Draynay

Blame is the real HOY ask any trainer.

21 Jan 2011 4:55 PM
Forbidden Apple

Draynay,

Can you read well? If so, read my post on January 20 at 11:13 am. Look, I bet Blame to win and hit the exacta pretty good in the 2010 B.C. Classic. I also nailed the straight exacta Blame over Quarter Crack Road in the 2010 Whitney. I like Blame and think that he will be a very useful sire. But what you think about Zenyatta is disgraceful and flat out lies. You can not even except what I have written, and the material is fact and not my opinion. It's impossible to have a conversation with a brick wall! Oh, and as a side note, Zenyatta beat up on St. Trinians and Zardana in the Vanity. If my memory is accurate, Zardana was the second string Shirreffs horse that smacked Rachel Alexandra in the head in the spring. At least Zenyatta showed up for the B.C. Classic 2 years in a row. Rachel skipped the race both years, Q.Road could not even make it in the gate in 2009, and then in 2010 Q.Road finished so far back in last that the charts don't even list the margain of defeat(losing by more than 35 lengths). And your comments about Zenyatta's unliking of dirt is 100% wrong. I remember several times hearing John Shirreffs say that Zenyatta loved racing on dirt. His home base is California and it's not his fault that the state of CA switched all racing surfaces to polycrap. Zenyatta crushed Ginger Punch in the 2008 A.B., she won the A.B. again in 2010, and then beat 4 Grade I winning males in the 2010 B.C. Classic, all on dirt.

22 Jan 2011 11:00 AM
Draynay

Forbidden, Zenyatta loved dirt so much that even after Mike Smith hit her again and again and again with the whip for 300 yards she STILL couldn't get by Blame.  Quality Road and Blame won the top races of the sport all year.  Zenyatta won mare restricted races on a plastic surface in California... who cares?

22 Jan 2011 1:48 PM
Footlick

Get over it everyone.  This has gone viral on each blog in the Triple Crown Talk.  It has nothing to do with the Triple Crown.

25 Jan 2011 10:31 PM

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