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There are three Kentucky Derby preps on the calendar this weekend, as well as the Dubai World Cup. Plenty of good betting opportunities all around, so let's get right into it.

Louisiana Derby

What was rumored to be a short field only about a week before entries turned into a full field of 13. Mucho Macho Man is the 9-5 morning-line choice after scoring the Risen Star impressively. All indications are that he continues to thrive and looks great on the track. He is the most logical winner of  a race that has only one other graded stakes winner, but I just can't play chalk here. Mucho Macho Man is a nice story and I hope he makes it to the Kentucky Derby, but at a short price I will take a chance at beating him. He received an ideal stalking trip last time into a slow pace. There doesn't look to be too much speed in here either, but I expect Pants On Fire to go and we may see some speed from a couple of others (Left, Majestic Harbor, Liondrive). I don't expect them to let him steal the race.

My pick is Nacho Business, who makes only his third start for Kelly Breen. He's a late-blooming but extremely talented colt who has faced some pretty good horses at Gulfstream. It's no secret that I think the best 3-year-olds in the nation reside in Florida, so I'm using that angle here. Breen admits that Nacho Business is a couple months away from being at his peak, but thinks on talent alone he is good enough to be right in the mix here. He has enough tactical speed to lay fairly close and the plan is for stablemate Pants On Fire to help ensure a decent pace.

I picked Pants On Fire in the Risen Star when he disappointed to finish sixth. In that race he broke uncharacteristically poorly and was rated, which I don't expect to be the case here. I would be slightly surprised if he won this race but a wire-to-wire job is not out of the realm of possibility. At any rate, him being a coupled entry with Nacho Business can't hurt. I'll take two for the price of one any day.

I am also going to use Wilkinson in my exacta, as well as Left and longshot Nehro. I've liked Wilkinson since he was a juvenile and somehow got off of him for the Lecomte when he put in nice, rail-skimming stretch run to nip Pants On Fire. Garrett Gomez stays with him, which is a good sign, and he comes in fresh. I like him better than stablemate Machen, who will again be heavily backed.

Left is a bit of an unknown. Also lightly-raced for Al Stall, he is undefeated in two starts over the Fair Grounds strip. He gets a good local rider and Stall has won a few races in Louisiana before. I'll take 10-1 and see what happens.

Nehro is a hunch play. He was being considered for last week's Rebel at Oaklawn, where he broke his maiden by 4 1/2 lengths going one mile last month. Steve Asmussen, who has also won a few races at Fair Grounds in his day, thought this was an easier spot. A deep closer, he needs a quick pace to have a chance, but at 30-1 on the morning-line he is worth taking a shot on.

Spiral Stakes

I don't believe there are any real Derby threats in this race, but with a full field of 12 it's a good betting race. Unfortunately, nothing really stands out for me, so I am going to do the smart thing: take the advice of Tom LaMarra, who handicaps Turfway better than anyone I know.

Tom likes three horses--Positive Response, Preachintothedevil, and Taptowne. California shipper Positive Response was brilliant in the March 5 Battaglia and stayed in Kentucky after that race. This horse loves synthetics and two turns. He is a deserving favorite that I don't think you can leave out.

Preachintothedevil ships in from New York for Gary Contessa. He was a decent third in the Whirlaway and has improved his Bris speed numbers every race. For what it's worth, when I asked him about his best 3-year-olds way back in January, Contessa told me Preachintothedevil was the top one and he has always been high on him.

Taptowne will be a big longshot and is worth using if for no other reason that he gets a savvy local rider and a solid local trainer--both with good in-the-money percentages. The trainer, Wayne Mogge, likes this colt, who hit the board in both local preps. He was an eight-length maiden winner over this track in December.

At Turfway, in Tom I trust.

Sunland Derby

Astrology makes his belated debut after missing some training and drew the 11 post. They are reasons enough to make me try to beat him here. I will have him in my exotics, but I'm going with Sinai, who ran fifth in the San Vicente. Horses coming out of that race have done fairly well, as The Factor and Premier Pegasus both won graded stakes. Martin Garcia ships in for Bob Baffert and I expect him to have Sinai very close to the pace. Baffert likes this colt, who should improve off that last race and relish two turns.

Quick picks

Bourbonette Oaks--Summer Soiree with Lilacs and Lace as a longshot exacta play

Rushaway--Swift Warrior

Dubai World Cup--Musir

Good luck this weekend. Who do you like?

 

 

148 Comments:

Jason, I just posted on the LA Derby Blog that I like Nehro and Left.

Like Animal Kingdom, Summer Soiree, and Twice Over, Musir Gio Ponti Tri.

Oh yeah, some horse named Bind may do well tomorrow as well.

Billy's Empire 25 Mar 2011 12:05 PM

I guess we have to pretend like it matters who wins this race.  MMM is in a no win position.  Even if he wins by 10 it's hard to consider this horse any kind of Derby threat.  I will take Wilkinson for the win.

draynay 25 Mar 2011 12:30 PM

My pick in the dubai world cup is cape blanco because he has three things going for him one first time with jamie spencer a plus with a jock who has steady numbers in dubai races the second reason is his last race was run vary rough he was dq and placed 13 after his last race 4sept2010 which he won very easily so i do think he neeeded a layoff  and the third and most important his speed ratings of 127 so at 10-1 or higher i do think that jamie and cape blanco will be the one to beat will fire fresh.

Louisiana Derby

In the Louisiana Derby one horse that i will keep an eye on is Populist Politics at 30-1 or better been on trainers derby horse

T. Amoss has been qit on this horse but has very steady works so watch the tote board.

Sunland Derby

Beer Meister wont be a longshot this time around but he has been training well enough the talk is that this horse is pointing to one of the triple crown races with G. Corbett up watch this colt closing kick one way to run and with speed in this race will stet up nicely hoping to get 10-1 or higher with his turf paradise closing in 33 and change lets see how good this one will be.I do feel that he is very special

marc.munyan 25 Mar 2011 12:30 PM

I haven't even looked at the pps for this weekend's races yet but I'll be rooting for Gio Ponti to win the World Cup.   Ditto for Elite Alex in the LD.  I'd like him to get enough $$$ to make it in the Derby field as I have a future wager on him.  

Kris 25 Mar 2011 12:52 PM

I also think Nehro could sneak up in this race as he showed some really good closing speed at Oaklawn.

Trifecta Box: Mucho, Nacho, Nehro

I read Cape Blanco arrived Monday and was not reacting well to the heat in his first trip to the track.

Bigtex 25 Mar 2011 1:02 PM

DWC- Buena Vista.  Had a huge work, never runs a bad race, has been freshened and pointed for this.  And my favorite comment about her was that she made a very unfeminine impression on the track.  Reminds me of Allez France, except Buena Vista ships better.

Footlick 25 Mar 2011 1:38 PM

And I know she will be low odds, just don't see it any other way.

Footlick 25 Mar 2011 1:39 PM

Jason,

LOVE Mucho Macho Man but as he doesn't NEED this race as much as a few of his other opponents, he is in the position of being able to finished in second or third. I think he will do well but don't expect him to have his biggest performance in this race as he is a very late foal, I am sure they are prepping him to peak later in the season...we shall see...I also like ELite Alex and WIlkinson...not too sold on Machen.

In the Spiral, I LOVE Positive Response...he is a moster on synthetics and DOES do well on two turns...if he wins this one too he may just be another seriuos contender to look at on May 7th.

I am going with you on the Sunland Derby...Going with Sinai first and then Astrology. Astrology is a nice colt but I have liked Sinai since early on and am looking for a bigger & better effort from him this time around.

In the DWC it's hard NOT to root for the AMerican horses...I think Gio Ponti looks GREAT but it is hard to overlook Buena Vista and also Transcend and another longshot POet's Voice. Would LOVE nothing more than to see Gio or Fly Down win it...BOTH look phenomenal over there but Gio may NEED this race and Fly Down is not proven on syhtetics so it is anyone's guess. I think ti would be cool to see Buena Vista win the big one though!

I think Victor's Cry is a good one too! He looks and is training incredibly over ther and would to see the two Victors (V. Espinosa rides him) bring it home for Eoin Harty! Also will be rooting for Kinsale King to pull a repeat for Carl O'Callahan. Would be cool to see I Want Revenge do well too since he hasn't really been a force yet since his comeback. I think Euroears may be a tough one to beat in his race! What do you think? So many choices at Meydan...it shouldbe a fun weekend of racing!

Since you didn't mention it...WHO do you like in the Fair Grounds Oaks??? I think Inglorious looks like a good one in here but with the defection of Kathmanblu I am not as excited about it as I was before.

Thoughts?

Afleet Treet 25 Mar 2011 1:53 PM

Footlick, that is the reason I will try to beat her, but IMO, she is the best horse in the race. Has she ever been out of the money?Victoire Pisa is also one to watch out for. At 8-1 or higher, watch out. Cape Blanco is great, but never been on poly, and like Tex said above, was really hot on the track. Twice Over won at course and distance last month, Gio is in much better shape this year, but no prep. I can not wait to wake up in the morning and watch the races.

Here is a more intriguing question. What U.S based horse has the best chance at a win? The only 1 I fancy is Kinsale King

Billy's Empire 25 Mar 2011 2:07 PM

Speed kills @ Sunland Park. Sinai gets blinkers and should control the pace here.Supreme Ruler has a big kick down the lane and shouldn't be too far back of the lead. I'll wheel-box Sinai/Supreme Ruler on top w/Astrology in the 3rd spot.

Carlos in Cali 25 Mar 2011 2:08 PM

I agree with Jason and others here that Nehro is worth taking a shot with to light up the board. This is a horse who improved 39 lengths in 37 days from his Jan 15 race to his Feb 21 race. Hold on a second here, according to draynay "no horse can improve 10 lengths in 80 days" so the pp's have to be wrong don't they? LMAO!! Some comments are so dumb they require shoving it down the commentors throat whenever you get the chance.

On that note Elite Alex has to be fully cranked here as it's his last shot at picking up the earnings to make it to the Derby. Oddly enough he also improved more than 10 lengths in only 37 days from his Jan. 15 race to his Feb. 21 race improving by 17. One race after Nehro on the 21st he finished right around the same time as Nehro but was closing into faster fractions with no luck.

I'll use Wilkinson and Left in a box with Machen and Nehro. I'll also play Nehro, Wilkinson, and Left underneath Elite Alex and Mucho Macho Man on a smaller scale.

I looked briefly at Majestic Harbor as a longshot to finish underneath but am not enthralled with his breeding or the fact that his LP Bris figs get slower the longer he goes.

Good betting opportunities in this one. Good luck.

the_wiz 25 Mar 2011 2:22 PM

I think MMM is a cut above of La. Derby field, but at a short price, and I'm not sure they will all out push with bigger fish to fry later.(I do have MMM in my early derby ex.'s) I'm going Left who has had some good works lately for the win and decent trainer %, and box with the entry pants on fire and nacho with another longshot mavericking who has had some decent works.Good luck all!

JuneBugJohnny 25 Mar 2011 2:30 PM

Billy the Young Buckaroo,

I think I Want Revenge is America's best chance for a win along with Euroears.

Carlos in Cali 25 Mar 2011 3:02 PM

This message is only for Dr. D.  The rest of you, move along and don't read anything beyond this point.  Seal Team in the 5th at Oaklawn tomorrow (10-1). Send Ted from LA a thank you card Sunday. For the rest of you who continued to read this, shame on you.  

Ted from LA 25 Mar 2011 3:14 PM

Dubai World Cup:

1 - Twice Over

2 - Gio Ponti

3 - Gitano Hernando

Louisiana Drrby:

1 - Machen

2 - Mucho Macho Man

Spiral Stakes:

1 - Positive Response (best bet of the weekend).

LAZMANNICK 25 Mar 2011 3:33 PM

Watch Elite Alex fly! Watch Calvin throw his arms up in the air and hoot as they cross the finish line winning the Louisiana Derby.

Laissez Bon Temps Rouleur!

Fran Loszynski 25 Mar 2011 3:40 PM

Fran, you are the hoot! You love you some Afleet Alex! PSSSSSSST. ME TOO!

Carlos, Young William thought about IWR, but he has not won since the WOOD, and I do not see him winning in Dubai. But, I have been wrong many times before..

Billy's Empire 25 Mar 2011 4:10 PM

Billy- as far as I know she has never been out of the money.  I just can't go against her.  Victoire Pisa is a great shot, but a little leary of his first Tapeta, but I think Buena Vista will be fine.  As I said she had a monster work.  I'll let any horse shipping from England and not having a prep beat me.  Same thing with Gio.  I think Twice Over and Golden Sword are her main competition.  I like Kinsdale King too.  He is working very well.

Footlick 25 Mar 2011 4:22 PM

La Derby:

Mucho Macho Man  

Liondrive

Sunland Derby:

Supreme Ruler

Astrology

Spiral:

Decisive Moment

Positive Response

UAE Derby:

Sweet Ducky

Master of Hounds

Dubai World Cup:

Richard's Kid

Twice Over

Ranagulzion 25 Mar 2011 4:27 PM

Well since Im not wagering its all gushy feelers here:

Im with you Kris My heart say's run GIO! I like Euroears too Carlos

Chasing Moonlight in the Hansel to at least Place. (at 12 to 1 ML? just saying)

MMM my new gawky heartthrob.  

Bind and Left in the money Go Al!

Zen's Auntie 25 Mar 2011 4:31 PM

Man, I'm getting nervous. The whole world must be on Summer Soiree in the Bourbonette Oaks. ... I will use, but I must say don't discount Kitten's Dancer, especially at a price. Crushed $20,000 maiden claimers at TP in December and resurfaced in stakes there almost 3 months later. Too far back early and ran very well to be second to Harlan's Ruby in race she probably could have won had she not been away for so long. Look out.

JerseyTom 25 Mar 2011 4:49 PM

No doubt this is a great betting weekend--since I'm off all three days, I'm starting my longshot run on Friday! Santa Anita, R8: I am boxing both Tribal Rules, #4 Liberal Arts (heavy favorite) and #5 What A Rush (12-1, and I also played him wps)---Tribal Rule is the next big sire in California, a son of Storm Cat, who has become the biggest sire of sires in the past forty years, that is to say, of my life in racing I have never seen a sire who sired so many good sires--even better than Mr Prospector--am backing them both up (Liberal Arts and what A Rush) with #9 Royal Tiger in R7, whom I have bet win/show....as for the Dubai Cup, I like Joel Rosario/Mr Gruff, who runs very well fresh, they're #16 in the 5 fur turf sprint (8-1)...Rosario is, in my opinion, the world's best rider.....also in the World Cup--don't underestimate Richard's Kid, at a huge price--I like him to run with Twice Over....

Matthew W 25 Mar 2011 5:36 PM

Picks-

LA Derby- Wilkinson, Mavericking, Nacho Business

Spiral- King Congie, Glint, Thrityfirststreet, Positive Response

D. Al Q Sprint- War Artist, Better Be The One, JJ the Jet Plane

Godolphin Mile- Rileyskeepingfaith, Conveyance, Skysurfers, Le Drakkar

UAE Derby- Xin Xu Lin, Reem, Khawlah, Splash Point

Golden Shaheen- Rocket Man, Kinsdale King, Dim Sum, Dynamic Blitz

Duty Free- Bankable, Beauty Flash, Raihana, Presvis

Sheema Classic- Rewilding, Marinous, Bourbon Bay, Dangerous Midge, Champ Pegasus

World Cup- Buena Vista, Twice Over, Golden Sword, Musir

Many of the fields in Dubai are really deep, so you have to go deep with your bets and hope that some flyers come in.  Good Luck all!

Footlick 25 Mar 2011 5:55 PM

Billy,  IWR has only raced 3 times since his comeback last year and Dirty Dutrow said he's finally got him good & healthy,has been working very good and desperately wanted him invited to the DWC.He's the class of the field,I'm all over him.

BTW: can anyone let me know what the post time is for Dubai? thx.

Carlos the Mack from Cali 25 Mar 2011 6:28 PM

Footlick

I don't know if you're aware that you can get free PP's for the Dubai World Cup card.  Go the the DRF article about the Dubai World Cup.  Click on it then scroll down to the blue line and click on PP's.  Click on that and you get free PP's for each of the Dubai races.

LAZMANNICK 25 Mar 2011 7:54 PM

In The World Cup take a look at Cape Blanco...should be a decent price and look who the trainer is!!

Maybe!!!

Junie Wise, Rocky Road Farm,Rineyville,Ky 25 Mar 2011 8:00 PM

Al Quoz Sprint: JJ The Jet Plane, Stradivinsky, Sole Power

Godolphin Mile: Skysurfers, I Want Revenge, Imbongi

UAE Derby: Xin Xu Lin, Sweet Ducky, Mahboobah

Golden Shaheen: Rocket Man, Dynamic Blitz, Euroears

Dubai Duty Free: Debussy, Presvis, Wigmore Hall

Dubai Sheema Classic: Rulership, Rewilding, Dangerous Midge

Dubai World Cup: Musir, Twice Over, Victoire Pisa

New Orleans Handicap G2 - El Caballo (2), Mission Impazible (3)

Fair Grounds Oaks G2 - Grandacious (1), Tapit Dancer (4)

Mervin H. Muniz Jr. Memorial H. - Sleepless Knight (2), Workin for Hops (5)

Louisiana Derby G2 - Machen (6), Mucho Macho Man (4)

Ivan 25 Mar 2011 8:07 PM

Jason : For someone that doesnt know much about horseracing, you seem to be picking the same horses I'm picking.  How can you, the expert handicapper that owns a popular blog on Bloodhorse end up picking the same horses that a guy like me, who knows nothing about handicapping has picked first ??

Hmm...

jayjay 25 Mar 2011 9:19 PM

Finding it hard to get excited about this years' Louisiana Derby. I can't believe this is the best field that $1Million dollars in purse is attracting. MMM looks to be in a good spot to repeat, but I won't be surprised if he doesn't; and I won't be surprised if just about any of the others wins, except maybe Liondrive(what is he doing in here?).  A good race to watch  and maybe take a flyer for fun. Maybe the #1 horse, Nacho Business if he goes off anywhere near 10-1, but I doubt it.

predict 25 Mar 2011 11:16 PM

rulership in dubai - elite alex in new orleans - and a bonus coming up at sa in apr., mr commons.

quiet american 55 25 Mar 2011 11:19 PM

jayjay,

Technically, Jason doesn't "own" this blog.  Ted from LA does.  I just let him write the stories.  He's a nice kid and I am trying to give him his first big break.

Ted from LA 25 Mar 2011 11:39 PM

Carlos the Mack---According to the NTRA schedule page, the first race at Meydan will be shown at 9:15 A.M. (ET), and all the others follow at intervals with the Dubai World Cup at 1:35 P.M. All on HRTV.

Karen in Texas 25 Mar 2011 11:43 PM

Thanks Laz.  I did see them and checked them out before I made my picks even though I had basically picked before I saw them.  I had been reading up on all their progress during their training and the prep races.  But since you mentioned that maybe you don't think my picks reflect the fact that I looked at them-lol.  Oh well.  Never said I was a great handicapper.

Footlick 26 Mar 2011 12:23 AM

Here's my reasoning, though.

Al Q- My top three are the class of the field as far as I'm concerned and I could go either way, but have a soft spot for War Artist.

Mile- Skysurfer would stand out, but the post is really bad.  I just have a sneaky suspicion about Le Drakkar and has been running solidly there.

Derby- Xin Xu Lin a standout.  Should prevail even with the giving of weight.  The next three have been runnng really strongly so I can't throw them out.

Shaheen- Rocket Man just stands out to me also.  Kinsdale King is doing very well over there and I like Dim Sum, a nice hard-knocking horse.

Duty Free- Bankable was so strong in his last race which was probably a little short for him.  He won in hand.  Beauty Flash, Raihana and Presvis are all top class and tough.

Sheema- this was the toughest race for me.  Rewilding has been pointed to this and at his best is better than the rest.  I had to throw Marinous in because I don't know why else M. Head would run him here unless he thought he was going to run big.  I like both Americans over Dangerous Midge, but I favour Bourbon Bay.

WC- Buena Vista does not run a bad race and just threw in a monster work, finishing up in 9 and change.  On her game she is the best horse in the race.  Twice Over for obvious reasons.  His prep was strong and reports have him improved since.  Golden Sword has woken up since getting on the Tapeta and De Kock and Soumillon are dangerous.  I also like Victoire Pisa as long as he takes to the surface.  I have a niggling worry about that, so I didn't include him.

There are my reasons for better or worse.  Good luck again all!

Footlick 26 Mar 2011 12:37 AM

At 20-1, Golden Sword in the DWC. I am partial to deKock.

Rinzler 26 Mar 2011 12:46 AM

Nacho Business

Prince Will I Am

Gio Ponti

Forbidden Apple 26 Mar 2011 1:20 AM

Guess the b-ball gods were nice to me today.  KENTUCKY........... lucky.

Footlick 26 Mar 2011 1:22 AM

Footlick

Off topic.  What would you consider the top open turf race at a mile in Europe and any other top turf miles in the Oriente, Austrailia or Dubai? Thanks.

LAZMANNICK 26 Mar 2011 1:42 AM

Footlick

No!  No!  I trust your picks.  I mentioned the PP's because you posted to Billy that you thought Buena Vista was in the money in all her starts and I thought that maybe you didn't have the PP's.  If anyone has the Dubai races worked out I figure it would be you. LOL

LAZMANNICK 26 Mar 2011 2:23 AM

Dubai World Cup night has become a truly international championship event.  The card features horses either stabled or raced in England, Ireland, France, Germany, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, South Africa, Brazil/Argentina, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the US/Canada.

Of the US horses, the majority are Cali based.  If Euroears tolerates the Tapeta, he just might be too fast for everyone in the Golden Shaheen.  In the Sheema, I like both Champ Pegasus and Bourboun Bay, but the Champ is the one proven at the higher level, and is the proven shipper.  I think Champ just might be a special horse, and he has the acceleration needed in international turf racing.  I'm rooting for all the North American based runners(and former runners like Richard's Kid and Conveyance).

GunBow 26 Mar 2011 3:47 AM

Dubai World Cup #2 Monterosso will be a big price/should sit a good trip from mid-pack--he has the stamina, and his comeback race was first-rate...Bourbon Bay might creep up to 10-1 and he's a fighter....Wigmore Wall in the Duty Free....Golden Shaheen I love a longshot named Sunny King--eight years old, only 9 for 64 but running better than he ever has and 4 for 9 on synthetics while many of the contenders in here have never run on synthetics....the Dubai Cup is solid and deep....besides Monterosso, I like Victoire Pisa, who could very well win one for Japan....also I like Twice Over and Richard's Kid, who usually needs one so I'll throw out his comeback race--he's a real 1 1/4 horse, though....

Matthew W 26 Mar 2011 4:46 AM

Elite Alex picking up the pieces from a likely speed duel upfront, albeit not a very fast one. Sans Mucho Macho Man, this races qualifies as non-winners of one allowance race....

Tony BadaBing 26 Mar 2011 6:56 AM

Jason,

 Great football game last night, sorry I meant to say basketball. Good win by your Wildcats.

longwaytomay 26 Mar 2011 8:17 AM

Good luck to all betting the great races tomorrow, I'm making my bets early then heading off to my long awaited vacation.

Ted From LA : I kind of figured that.  The kid needs some exposure.  While you're at it, have you ever watched the THS show ?  Now that he's copying my picks, aren't you a little worried he's basing his picks on the prettiest horse names and the color of the jockey's silks ?  Because that's exactly how I pick 'em.  I throw $20 win on any silks with green color on it, $40 if it has a fake bowtie.

jayjay 26 Mar 2011 8:40 AM

Laz- three top mile races in Europe, imo.  St. James, le Marois and the QE2.  All the Hong Kong championship races in the Fall are top drawer and attract internat'l fields.  Godolphin Mile in Dubai because once again it attracts the top int'l field for Dubai racing.  I'm not sure about australia, I'd have to reseache that.

Footlick 26 Mar 2011 10:50 AM

Spiral - decisive moment, king congie, positive response

La Derby - mavericking, elite alex, much macho man

Sunland - fusa code, supreme ruler, ruler on ice

state 26 Mar 2011 11:51 AM

Monterosso was unlucky to lose the Dubai World Cup--I played him as well as the winner to win/place, and I am very grateful that I didn't play an exacta box cuz I would've been sour all day! Monterosso had a great trip until he couldn't get through late--when he did he flew by them all...at any rate, I was happy to see Japan win the big one--despite the bad start, Victoire Pisa made that huge middle move, then fought them all off down the stretch--after a night of favorites, the last race was boxcar Bertha! Doesn't it always seem to work out that way, with the last race running differently than the other races--all in all some good races--this year's World Cup reminded me of Tiznow's winning one for America, right after 9/11 trajedy--again, a happy ending for Japan--no pun intended.....

Matthew W 26 Mar 2011 2:01 PM

Tough race for Bind.  He was way too fresh and rank IMO.  He fought Rosie every step of the way and that cost him valuable energy.  Nice run by the winner and the race was a 5th off the track record.  I think that Bind is going to improve off this one, and maybe a loss will take off the pressure to win all the time and allow them to proceed slowly with this guy.

LAZMANNICK 26 Mar 2011 2:54 PM

Another reason why I am always leery of race programs that start in daylight and end when it’s dark……track bias.  The Dubai Championship race was run well over 90 minutes after the last race on the main track.  It was getting darker and the track bias was changing.  The first two horses were running one-two going into the turn and finished that way.  Closers didn't close and seeing that none of them closed and not just one or two, this strongly suggests that the two Japanese horses were either much better than the rest (I don't think so with their long odds), or a speed bias was suddenly affecting the track.  Twice Over humiliated a good field in his last race coming from behind and today finished nearly last.  And Buena Vista, considered much better than her two front running Japanese compatriots, didn’t fire period.  Gio Ponti was in position, but it looked like he needed a race to get over the top.  Congrats to the Japanese.  They need a break and the winning jockey was very emotional after the race.

LAZMANNICK 26 Mar 2011 3:00 PM

Santa Anita race 1: #1 Take A yard, 8 min to post he's 7-1 and I'm on him....also like race 6: #4 Galleta Monstruo (8-1)...race 7 #4 soul Candy (2-1)...and race 9: #11 Mean Sara Jean (6-1)....good luck to all.....

Matthew W 26 Mar 2011 3:26 PM

Louisiana: Nacho Business, Wilkinson, Mucho Macho Man

Sunland: Fusa Code, Astrology, Sinai

Zarkava 26 Mar 2011 3:59 PM

Spiral - Taptowne

La Dby - Elite Alex

FourCats 26 Mar 2011 4:05 PM

Just like last year's WC.  They crawled early and didn't come back.  Luckily I had a save bet on Victoire Pisa, but nobody was really going to close, especially from last.

Footlick 26 Mar 2011 4:47 PM

Footlick, the St. James Palace S is for 3yos only, so isn't a open mile race.  The Sussex S at Glorious Goodwood is a pretty big one, too.

In Australia, the top mile races in the spring include the Epsom Hcp at Randwick, the Toorak at Caulfield and the 'whatever its name is' on Victoria Oaks day at Flemington. (The latter race has gone under 5 or 6 sponsor names over the last 30 years.)

In the fall, the Doncaster Hcp during the Easter Carnival at Sydney is the goal, although the purists may prefer the wfa All-Aged S on AJC Oaks day.

Pedigree Ann 26 Mar 2011 5:18 PM

Congrats to those of you who were on Animal Kingdom, WOW he looked good..totally off my radar and I think a lot of Graham Motion. Kicking myself in the azz on that one. Summer Soiree looked like the real deal as well. I think it would be a safe guess that Larry Jones is pointing her to the Kentucky Oaks. I for one am glad he is back, One of my favorite trainers. Don't know if she can beat Kathmanblue though. The time wasn't mind blowing. Good luck to all in Louisiana derby..I'll take Mucho Macho Man & Wilkenson.

Criminal Type 26 Mar 2011 5:45 PM

Elite Alex over Mucho Macho Man.

Ted from LA 26 Mar 2011 6:05 PM

Just kidding.

Ted from LA 26 Mar 2011 6:09 PM

Do we really have to talk about Bind anymore ?

Draynay 26 Mar 2011 6:43 PM

Dear Mr. Pletcher.  Now that it is obvious to all Elite Alex ain't all that can we please offer Brethren to Borel after the Arkansas?

Draynay 26 Mar 2011 7:03 PM

LA Derby,

$20 Box the 1,6,10,11 and $5 EX 1,6,10,11 over the 2.

crawdaddy 24 Mar 2011 4:58 PM

That's how you make money draynay. Where did Wilkinson finish anyway? Nice pick buddy.

Jason,

Hope you played the 1 over the 2 even if you liked the wrong half of the 1.

crawdaddy 26 Mar 2011 7:06 PM

I did Crawdaddy. Had the win and trifecta. Like I wrote in my analysis, two for the price of one is fine by me anyday. Pants On Fire was going to be near the pace this time, like I expected him to be in Risen Star. He was very game. Nehro was the key to the ticket though--36/1.

Also, had good win $ on Summer Soiree and Swift Warrior, and pick 3. Very good day at the windows, for a change.

Jason Shandler 26 Mar 2011 7:22 PM

Had the Louisiana Derby winner ONly cuz some radio tout named Toby (not the excellent trackman Turrell) said Nacho Business was a mortal lock, or something like that--I played him, win/show, and whaddya know his entrymate gets the $$, kinda like when Desert Stromer won the BC Sprint (decades ago) I got her cuz I liked her entrymate, whom I don't remember anymore/rather be lucky than good, anywho it keeps me alive'n'kicken to play the late pick four at Los Al tonight, with my friend Gary, who once had $1.36 in his account and managed to get 31 bets outta it/play the whole card---31 bets outta $1.36 is handicappin!!!

Matthew W 26 Mar 2011 8:01 PM

Footlick, huge day man. You had a lot of great picks bro. I had a bet on victoire pisa as well at 17-1. Could not believe he went off that high. It was chalky in Dubai until that race. Animal kingdom looked strong and summer soirée won in a hand ride. She looked great. Nehro 2nd at 36-1. Wow

Billy's Empire 26 Mar 2011 8:39 PM

enough already with elite alex....partys over for this horse.

mickey 1957 26 Mar 2011 9:50 PM

Billy- thanks.  I had the tri in the Al Q with good money and  across the board with War Artist and Better Be The One.  I had a save bet on Skysurfer to win even though I didn't like the post.  I had good money on Khawlah across the board, and Rewilding.  My save bet on Victoire Pisa was because he was so tractable. Wish I did more and across the board, but only did a win.   The only time Buena Vista was forwardly placed was when Soumillon rode her.  Was hoping for an honest pace for her, but didn't get it.  But I am better at internat'l than US.  Oh well.  Glad you had him.  His class was a little below Buena Vista really, but he was best for this race the way it shaped up.  The other Japanese horse was around because of the plodding pace, great race by him.  Rocket Man was amazing.  Didn't bet the race because of his odds but what a horse. Most impressed by him, War Artist and Khawalah.  She was relentless.  Biggest disappointment was XX, the Brazilian horse.  But maybe he really doesn't like Tapeta.  Would love to see him in the US on turf.

Footlick 26 Mar 2011 11:12 PM

Pedigree Ann- I know the St James is 3 yr olds only, but it is the class of the 3 yr olds only as far as I'm concerned, even better than the 2000's.  Yes, the Sussex is a great race, I forgot about it.  And thanks for the info for Australia.  I wish I knew more of what the other top races were for Australia, New Zealand and Malaysia.  Thanks again.

Footlick 26 Mar 2011 11:17 PM

Matthgew W- isn't that the way it goes sometimes.  You like the other entry, and the one you don't like wins.  As long as you get the money.

Footlick 26 Mar 2011 11:20 PM

Matthew- sorry about the extra g!!!  Too much guinness I guess.

Footlick 26 Mar 2011 11:21 PM

Didn't even look at Animal Kingdom even though I loved his sire.

Footlick 26 Mar 2011 11:22 PM

Laz- Twice Over had the same problem as Buena Vista.  No pace, and coming from too far back.  Just like last year.  Next year I will adjust my picks according to tractability.  It is weird considering he showed speed in some of his Euro races that he showed none here.

Footlick 26 Mar 2011 11:26 PM

Draynay-

Columbus, OH huh. Buckeye fan no doubt... Now all of us on this blog totally understand!! Btw nice pick in the LA Derby. LOL So be honest you looked at the race saw no one was going to be 3-5 and said well I dont know who to take!!I will take G. Gomez I know he's a good rider, Pletcher rides him sometimes!!! LOL That is how it went down didn't it, be honest and tell us the truth!

furlongs 27 Mar 2011 12:20 AM

Crawdaddy-

Nice ex pick in LA Derby... Had the winner myself but didnt use the #2 in the exacta. Of course had a nice size exacta #1-4 and now reading the MMM threw a shoe right at the start of the race. Anyway nice little score, congrats!!

furlongs 27 Mar 2011 12:26 AM

I can't believe the love Elite Alex gets week after week... loss after loss. He just isnt that good simple as that. I mean he is a closer he is going to be picking up pieces always at the end of races. There are always tired horses stopping in races and it looks like that is almost always what he passes... I mean I am not the type of guy that knocks horses some are just better/faster then others but when I read these blogs and see how much attention he gets I keep thinking what do these people see that I do not?? Anyway sure he will go back to Ark. Derby but what this horse needs is a win in lesser company to get his confidence back! Its called a Allowance maybe the connections should try it!!!

furlongs 27 Mar 2011 12:32 AM

How about that come home time in the race at Turfway! SLOW SLOW SLOW. Just wonder when this race will no longer be a graded event, with the quality of horses they get anymore.

furlongs 27 Mar 2011 12:43 AM

Maybe safety was part of the reason why Tapeta and not dirt was chosen as the maintrack surface for Meydan, but I think it probably also had something to do with Well Armed.  I would have to imagine that after Well Armed's 14 length romp in the 09' World Cup the Maktoum family and the other leading racing officials in Dubai were not pleased with the North American dominance.  The year before in 08', Curlin had romped, and the year before that it was Invasor.  However, those were legitimately elite North American dirt horses, so it couldn't have been surprising that they dominated Euro and Asian turf horses.

Well Armed, on the other hand, was not a great horse.  And yet he just ran away with the 09' World Cup, winning by 14.  Americans were so dominant on dirt that a gr.2/lower gr.1 US horse could crush everyone else on dirt.

In addition, after close runs in the BC Classic by Giant's Causeway and Sakhee in the early 2000s, North Americans had reasserted their dominance in that championship race, that is until the 08' Classic on Pro-Ride.  The juxtaposition of Euros running 1-2 on synthetic and then Well Armed winning by 14 on dirt a few months later was likely enough to push the Maktoums towards installing a synthetic track for Meydan.  While North Americans would continue to have a significant advantage in not just the World Cup but the Golden Shaheen and Godolphin Mile as well, a change to synthetic would open these races up to the Euros, South Africans, Japanese, Chinese, Australians, and others.  

The Maktoums have received what they wanted.  The two World Cups on synthetic have been highly competitive affairs with tight finishes featuring horses from throughout the world.

From the North American perspective, however, the World Cup has gone from a race that showcased some of the best recent North American horses to a race that has quickly become one that holds only marginal interest for North American owners, despite the $10 million purse.  Given how badly North American horses fared today, with the exception of Euroears(the only one in the money), I have a feeling there is not going to be alot of North American owners wanting to make the trip next year.

GunBow 27 Mar 2011 2:21 AM

So why exactly is Baffert pointing Jaycito to the Wood and not the Santa Anita Derby?

With The Factor likely returning for the Arkansas Derby, would Baffert then not have a starter for the Santa Anita Derby?  

GunBow 27 Mar 2011 2:23 AM

North American horses were shut out in Dubai.  But 3 of them did make some money.

Euroears' 2nd in the Golden Shaheen was worth $400,000.

For a sprinter, that is excellent money.  Baffert has made out well with this old horse he just picked up.

Gio Ponti's 5th in the World Cup netted him $300,000.

That's like winning a half-million dollar race.

Victor's Cry earned $150,000 for his 5th in the Duty Free.

That's solid money for a turf miler.

Victor's Cry actually ran well in the Duty Free.  He was near the back of the field at the top of the stretch, and from that position I thought he wasn't going to be able to outkick any of the international horses.  However, he ended up passing about 2/3rds of the field with a really good late run.  Victor's Cry is a weird horse to figure.  He has looked real good in races like the Shoemaker and Citation, but terrible in some other races.

GunBow 27 Mar 2011 5:31 AM

I was disappointed that the Godolphin team used Xin Xu Lin as a pacemaker, off the layoff, change of Hemisphere, and change of training methods; he is, after all only a 3yo (yes, he is! He won't be 4 officially until the 1st of July). He is better than he was able to show on this day; France or Germany, with 12f races on heavy ground would suit him better.

Pedigree Ann 27 Mar 2011 10:15 AM

furlongs, I'm one who likes Elite Alex.  There's two reasons I stay on his bandwagon.  The first is he looks like a 10 (or 12) furlong horse to me.  He reminds me of Summer Bird.  It takes him a while to get rolling but i think at the longer distances he'll gallop them into the ground.

The second reason is his rider is Calvin Borel, winner of 3 of the last 4 Derbys.  I'd back Borel if he were riding a three-legged burro in the Derby.    

Kris 27 Mar 2011 10:35 AM

Gun Bow - Once again I learn from your keen insights this time on the on the world cup. cool.

Kris, I agree the Borel factor does make a difference and is worth playing. just watching the race it looked like with another 1/8th of a mile EA would have been at least in the $.

Having owned a 3 legged burro (really) until recently I can attest to the fact they can move if they want to.  Borel sure seems to put the "want to" into colts at CD - even seemingly UNLIKELY colts so ya gotta Factor it in.  

as far as MMM, this not even 3 year old is really leggy and looks like he could stand on a stump, I like him - the big gawk. In my experience Gangly overstriding horses step on themselves and rip shoes off it seems like even while standing still.  ripping off a shoe inthe gate isnt good and I hope the hoof wall didnt go with it.  Im glad his performance wanst all he had in him. He may have won but ruined the foot.  Good prep though and maybe a real heads up bringing an issue forward to deal with instread of finding out on the  big day.

Zen's Auntie 27 Mar 2011 1:07 PM

Don't worry Kris,calvin will "not" be riding elite alex on derby day,that you can bank on.....

mickey 1957 27 Mar 2011 1:08 PM

Nice hit on the Trifecta BigTex, that's some sweet pay!

Jason : I almost believed you when you said you hit the exacta and trifecta but then First Dude came to mind...lol.  I don't believe you actually played your picks.  Sometimes, people don't learn. :)

The Rock : Off to the next races, I'm stuck here in Oahu this week for my lil brat's birthday but I'll still play next weekend's races.  Only thing that saved me was the late P4 at Aqueduct, at least I got some of my money lost on Wilkinson lol.  It was a $4 bet on the jockey (Cohen) on the first leg that got me started.

Jason : Don't worry, I bet the P4 before I left so I still have the ticket and will take a picture of it and send it to you lol.  We'd love to see your winning tickets too :)

jayjay 27 Mar 2011 1:15 PM

Draynay:

Do we really have to talk about Bind anymore?

Draynay 26 Mar 2011 6:43 PM

Why do you consistently put your foot in your mouth?  I think that Bind’s effort was spectacular for a second career start and first at a route.  You forget that he was rank throughout and was under strong restraint, was four wide on the clubhouse turn and three wide on the final turn, and the restraint was not lifted until the 5/16th pole.  He still finished 12 lengths in front of the third place horse and run down by a decent horse in the final yards, losing by ¾’s of a length with the winner missing the track record by 1/5th of a second, a track record I might add that was set Nov. 26, 1936……75 years ago.

Then you turn around and justify Cal Nation’s slow time clunker.

I predict that by the end of this year the number one three year old will be Bind, not Uncle Mo.

LAZMANNICK 27 Mar 2011 1:39 PM

I'd like it very much if Elite Alex was a TC race quality horse.  But he is not.

The list of horses that excite me for the Triple Crown races is dwindling.  Down to Uncle Mo, The Factor and Premier Pegasus.  Dialed In and Soldat just missing.  Hope the final preps will give us some more exciting prospects.

2:24 27 Mar 2011 1:43 PM

One thing I forgot to mention is that I do totally agree with Jason now, there just doesn't seem to be any contenders coming from the N'orleans.  

I did say that the Derby winner will be running in either the Florida Derby or the Santa Anita Derby but now that Jaycito is goin to the Wood, I'd have to change and say the winner is either running in the Wood or the Florida...and no, I don't think UM will win the Derby lol.

jayjay 27 Mar 2011 1:47 PM

Most impressive horse at FG was Mission Impazible. Looks to be a top the handicap division! La Derby most likey doesnt have a top 5 derby horse.

Jason 27 Mar 2011 1:48 PM

furlongs---I thought Elite Alex had great potential after seeing his Oaklawn race on 1/15/11, where he was left at the gate and then proceeded to make up about 10-12 lengths on the field to battle for the lead with Alternation in a one mile contest. He has not shown as much closing kick since that time. He seems to start closing and then flattens out--don't know why. At this point I don't think he's ready to be a Derby/TC major player either. People are just so hoping for Afleet Alex to produce a version of himself...

Karen in Texas 27 Mar 2011 1:50 PM

GunBow

I totally agree with your assessment.  The Sheiks want to win their races for sure.

The American contingent yesterday wouldn’t exactly make me shake in my boots.  Euroears especially stood out for me because of the fact that he is not great on turf and never raced on synthetics and he got caught by a bearcat who was 9 for 12 on synthetics with 3 second place finishes.  Gio Ponti is a very good horse, but IMO not a great horse, and yet it looked the was he just couldn’t get that extra he needed in the stretch when he was in position and that if he would have had a prep he might have been there.  The more I look at that race the more I am convinced that a certain super mare would have had no problem winning that race.  I felt bad for I Want Revenge who has never been the same.  Victor’s Cry ran well, but the Cali turfsters didn’t.

LAZMANNICK 27 Mar 2011 1:52 PM

Kris,

You and the a large part of racing think Borel can do it again.  No chance,I can't wait for the Derby and he misses the exotics, cha-ching baby.  Make no excuses he has had a hell've a run, but he had the best horse in SS, MTB terrible bunch of 3yo and SS last year best horse on mud.  Its over,if you bet him all 3 times awesome job, you had a great run.  I hope EA makes it to the derby and Borel stays aboard.  Toss out.  Honestly I'd toss him out if he was on UM.  Nothing against him just law of physics.  The odds are against him.  Jump ship now or your wallet is going to take a hit. Good Luck as all of our excitement and thoughts are what make the Derby so damn exciting.  Not picking on you But that is all I heard at The Derby last year BO-RAIL.  Unfortunately for me as everyone was right.  

What is everyones take on Astrology?  Steve seems leary and not sure of him.  If he misses the board cha ching in the exotics  Any ideas?

Antman 27 Mar 2011 2:08 PM

Sunland Park I played an exacta box: Astrology and Beer Meister from the outside, and Ruler On Ice and Supreme Ruler--Valdivia can stalk from that inside post  on Ruler On Ice, and I don't know why Supreme Ruler is 20-1 morning line, he really jumped up in his last start--good luck to all, it was a great weekend of racing around the planet....

Matthew W 27 Mar 2011 3:50 PM

Laz- Why does anybody continue to acknowledge Draynay?  

Pedigree Ann- I was disappointed too.  But I think the horse has a bright future.

Footlick 27 Mar 2011 5:14 PM

It will be interesting to see how Stay Thirsty responds with blinkers in the FLA Derby... I'm looking forward to that race, not only because of ST, but Soldat as well.

Want to say RIP to Cathy Roby from the Kentucky Horse Park. I visited Kenntucky for the first time last October and she was an absolute blessing to talk to about her stories of John Henry, Forego, Da Hoss, and she answered endless questions about Cigar and brought Cigar out for me to have my picture taken with him. I will forever treasure that moment. That would be the ultimate dream for me to be able to wake up around those horses day in and day out. Cathy, you will be missed. The afternoon that I spoke to you, I felt like I was talking to a long time friend.

ZJ 27 Mar 2011 6:34 PM

Jason,

I see that your handicapping skills have really blossomed ...you've come a long way since the days of Old Fashioned and Mr Fantasy (LOL).  Right now you could teach Carlos in Cali a thing or two as he seems to have lost his edge ...too much love for the A P Indys has done him in.

Jay jay,

Its time to start taking notes from Jason.

Ranagulzion 27 Mar 2011 7:01 PM

Lazmannick,

You might want to withdraw your prediction about Bind versus Uncle Mo before its too late.  After the Wood Memorial it will be too late my friend.  You could get away with predicting that Bind will be an elite 3YO but to say at this stage that he'll be head honcho of this crop sounds like crap to me.  Sorry Bro. but you are setting up yourself to eat some major crow, because if Bind doesn't run in the Triple Crown races he'll have to win races like the Travers, Haskell, Woodward and/or JCGC before we even start to think Breeder's Cup Classic.  He's a good colt but providing the top ones remain healthy your prediction is a pretty tall order.

Ranagulzion 27 Mar 2011 7:12 PM

Laz, the owner, the trainer and the jockey all agree Cal Nation should have won minus a horrible ride.  As a matter of fact they are pointing him to the Preakness so what does that tell you?  I  can promise you Bind will not be in the Preakness.  I know talent and Cal Nation is talented but make no mistake.  No horse will stop Uncle Mo from his Triple Crown.

Draynay 27 Mar 2011 7:41 PM

Ranagulzion

Have no fear.  I truly believe in the Draynay curse, in this case a double one in that he's for Uncle Mo and against Bind.

Seriously, I think that if Mo shows up for the Wood and runs a bang up raceeven if he should somehow lose, and then goes in the Derby and gets the distance, I might think about revising.  I love Mo anyway.  However, realistically, I think that Bind has much upside and this will be proven as the year goes along.

LAZMANNICK 27 Mar 2011 7:50 PM

Lazmannick,

Do not listen to the above garbage, the Pletcher blinkers are stuck on many bloggers. Last year Eskendereya was a lock for the Triple Crown, please. In 2011 Brethren was a lock in the TB Derby & Mucho Macho Man was a lock in the LA Derby. The only lock left is Uncle Mo for the Triple Crown. Anyone who starts predicting Triple Crown winners in January and February is clueless.

Forbidden Apple 27 Mar 2011 7:53 PM

Astrology was going nice then hit the wall just like any horse would that hasn't raced in four months and was facing horses that have been racing.  The final 3/8ths in 39.2 doesn't turn my crank.  The final 1/8th in 13.3 or so and that was with the winner does not bode well.  Astroloy actually went slower than that.  What's with training methods these days?  Yesterday we see Gio Ponti travel half way around the world to compete in the world's richest race without a race in four months.  Today Astrology.  Oh wel,, at least we got to look at a great looking chick in the winner's circle.

LAZMANNICK 27 Mar 2011 8:04 PM

Draynay

Cal Nation should have won in what, 1.36.92 for the mile?  The horse might be talented, but in that race the horse should take some responsibility.  The final quarter was in 25.81, Shetland Pony time.  

So Cal Nation's going to the Preakness, what does that tell me?  Let's see........not much.  The winner of the Sunland Derby today is going to the Kentucky Derby.  The first two finishers in the Spiral Stakes yesterday are going to the Derby.  What does that tell me?  That like Cal Nation they are entering and planning on running in a TC race.  It doesn't mean that they are even a threat to win it.

LAZMANNICK 27 Mar 2011 8:13 PM

Astrology ran real well--he tired, but he was traveling real well and went fairly fast early....

Matthew W 27 Mar 2011 9:21 PM

Nice win on the dirt today for Burj Dubai--a claimer, but I wouldn't be a bit suprised to see him try a stakes, he was that impressive today....

Matthew W 27 Mar 2011 9:23 PM

Lazmannick, I had the same thought you did, that a certain Super Mare would have made chopped liver out of that group. 2:24 I agree that Uncle Mo, The Factor and PrePeg are the most exciting. I would also add Soldat to that group.

Paula Higgins 27 Mar 2011 9:25 PM

Wonder if Rosie and Santiago-reyes will keep the mounts on their newly minted Derby starters.  You'd have to think Rosie will, although she's so talented, you'd almost like to see her on a more live horse than Pants on Fire.

Wonder who will get Borel on their horse.  Figure Borel could take a mid to lower level horse like Astrology or Brethren and give them a better shot.

2:24 27 Mar 2011 9:26 PM

Lazmannick, explain 2 things to me.  How can you NOT SEE that the Derby winner is Uncle Mo by a mile and the talent of Cal Nation?  Rookie.

draynay 27 Mar 2011 9:59 PM

after watching the Sunland and La Derby yesterday it is obvious that Uncle Mo is going to walk to a easy Derby win.  Coast in the Preakness and run everyone off their feet in the Belmont.

draynay 27 Mar 2011 10:11 PM

Forbidden Apple'

I expect that your roar against Uncle Mo will become a squeak after the Wood Memorial.

Although you and I can agree that Dialed In will inhale the Florida Derby field, "Mo" is in an entirely different stratosphere.

Speak easy whenever you mention Esky's name and thank your lucky stars that his injury let you off the hook last year.  Truth be told, you are still smarting from having your nemesis Todd Pletcher and Eskendereya's deputy, Super Saver nail your butt in Derby 2010.  Get ready for an encore, courtesy of Uncle Mo ...the Kentucky Derby winner spotted by those of us with sharp eyes for the special ones long before January or February.  I'll take you up on the clueless bit after the Derby Pal.  Count on it.  

Ranagulzion 27 Mar 2011 11:15 PM

I love how the public will be backing Borel in the Derby based on past results as if it has anything to do with who he will be riding and what chance he has in 2011... It will be the MOST overbet angle in this years Derby, period. By the way I bet Steet Sense as well as Super Saver in those Derbies... AND no way would I have bet Mine That Bird in any race on the entire card of Churchill that Saturday in May. I think what I am trying to say is I would say I am a above avg handicaper. Nothing great but score now and then, and 2 of the 3 mounts he had on Derby Day where he won the roses looked VERY live to win the roses. So as far as I am concerned if he is not riding a horse that looks like he can win I could care a less who he is riding. You can ride the rail all you want but if you do not have the engine to get you there the fastest your not going to win. And unless he gets something WAY better then Brethren or Elite Alex (who looks to not make the field anyway) oe even Stay Thirsty he carries no wieght with me this Ky Derby day. Good luck at the windows everyone.

furlongs 27 Mar 2011 11:36 PM

Something else I have noticed that I kinda find funny how THAS is like totally a non contender on these blogs because of one race off the shelf that wasn't the greatest. I mean like Mott fires off the bench anyway... Mott was even quoted in the DRF he didn't expect THAS to win the race. He said he thought he would be short for the FOY and he was. But seems like after about 2 weeks after that race no one still thinks he can win?? What gives?? I mean there are only about a hand full of horses to this point that have ran a 100+ beyer going two turns and of them all he is the one getting the least love. I think in the FL Derby we will know more if he belongs in this crop for the Triple Crown but in no way am I going to dismiss him off one effort. His first start as a two year old was his worse start of his two year old campaign so I would expect for him to improve  great deal this coming weekend. The FL Derby has bunch of talent I mean you have a sprinter going to the lead with Soldat and THAS chasing and then you will have Dialed In and Stay Thirsty picking up the pieces in the end looks like a great race cant wait to see it on paper and see what kind of pace we will see. I would love to see Soldat lay about 5 lenghts back and see him make a nice move in the lane and come up short so he will be a huge overlay on Derby. I mean I love a horse with foundation and without a doubt he has it. There are some real contenders with a ton of talent and foundation that may get totally lost in the shuffle if Mo wins the Wood by daylight and The Factor win the Ark Derby like he did the Rebel. It has been a LONG time since I been this excited for the Ky Derby to get here. I love a Derby with talent and stories and this one looks to have both! Anyway I never pick who I bet in the Derby until I see who goes and who doesn't but there are several I could see me betting in this race! Good luck at the windows everyone.

furlongs 27 Mar 2011 11:57 PM

Ranagulzion : Why ?  It's his first big hit this year, if I start taking notes from him, that means I have to bet the farm on Uncle Mo (if the Derby was to run today).  I've said before and I'll say it again,  I'm not betting UM, I'll let him beat me in the Derby.

I'm sure you're taking notes from Jason, did you hit the exacta and trifecta in the LA derby ?

jayjay 28 Mar 2011 1:23 AM

Repeat after me Soldat cant rate Soldat cant rate..

Hutcheson is not going to the Fl Derby.

Soldat will get the lead by default. Run his 12f 24 quarters around the track and win the Fl Derby..

Again repeat after me Soldat can't rate..

Soldat my Derby pick right now.

Johnny 28 Mar 2011 8:11 AM

Carlos, why was IWR so close to Conveyance? When they turned for home, IWR threw an anchor out and was done. The U.S horses looked overmatched in every race, except Euroears and GIO, and he needed a race. He just hung in deep stretch. You have to give credit to the rider of Victoire Pisa. That middle move when he circled the field and then slowed him down again was great. Talk about a good judge of pace. What, they went 53 and change and then 2:05 to finish. That move won him the race.

Criminal Type, thanks. There will be a jockey issue now with Alan Garcia. Will he ride Summer Soiree, or will he ride Kathmanblu in the Oaks? He is supposedly riding Kathmanblu in the Ashland.

Billy's Empire 28 Mar 2011 8:53 AM

draynay,

Anyone can pick the chalk out of a race (aka Uncle Mo in the Derby at this point). A good handicapper has the abilities you sorely lack and that's to look deep into the others and find the longshots who fill out a nice ticket like Jason did in Nehro. Congrats Jason!!  

I think Laz Furlongs hit the nail on the head when he said to draynay "Btw nice pick in the LA Derby. LOL So be honest you looked at the race saw no one was going to be 3-5 and said well I dont know who to take!!I will take G. Gomez I know he's a good rider, Pletcher rides him sometimes!!!" I think that tells the sorry truth about draynay's handicapping shortcomings.

crawdaddy 28 Mar 2011 8:55 AM

Gee Jason...didn't get even one right.  At least I liked Pants On Fire. (MMM was great considering he had more adrenaline than shoes.) But the best 3 year olds this past weekend were Arienza and Great Hot.  I can't wait to see one of the top fillies slip over to the Derby...

No matter who anyone rooted for in the World Cup, it warmed everyone's heart to see Japan take 1-2.  They really needed something uplifting after so much tragedy.

furlongs: I still like THAS, and he remains MY favorite.

Slew 28 Mar 2011 9:04 AM

Jason,

Great job on your picks for the LA Derby!! Thanks to you and the draynay curse I tossed out Wilkinson and replaced him with the #1 coupling so ended up boxing the 1,2,6,10 for $10 and lost the other part of the bet of 4,11 over the 2 for $5 each. I wasn't sold on Nacho Business but the fact that both horses had been extremely competitive against similar and were in a wide open race sealed the decision to take as you put it "2 for 1 anyday". I have much more respect for a handicapper like yourself who is always looking for the money play than one like draynay who lives and dies with the chalk. I've always said it is harder to handicap the entire race looking for the longshots to win or fill out nice exotics than it is to simply pick a winner. Nice job again!!    

the_wiz 28 Mar 2011 9:15 AM

Ranagulzion,

More spin as usual. You had Eskendereya as a triple crown winner, and Brethren and Mucho Macho Man as mortal locks. Just admit that you were wrong. 2010 is over and I was the first to admit last year that Awesome Act ran backwards in the KY Derby. It's okay to be wrong, even your pal Pletcher loses 75% of the time. Mo can win the Wood over creampuffs, so what. The Wood is a far cry from the Triple Crown. I don't even have Mo in the top five. For the record, you are not just saying he will win the Wood and the KY Derby. You are also adding on the Preakness and the Belmont, this is just silly.

Forbidden Apple 28 Mar 2011 9:15 AM

Jayjay,

Looking forward to this upcoming weekend's races. I'll be @ Gulfstream for Saturday's fillies day & Sunday's Florida Derby. Should be a zoo out there. I just hope there's plenty of terminals so I'm not stuck behind a guy with a $.50 cent voucher trying to figure out a pick 4 wager without capping beforehand. Why do people do that? It really ticks me off. You go to the window to bet, not to study.

Anyway, I'll be sure to post some of my picks on here before then. I was knocking on the door on most of the races and finally came through with Daisy Devine in the FG Oaks. Its too bad her value got cut in half from her 8/1 ML, but it got me in the black for the day. Have fun out there in Oahu. Hopefully you can sneak away to do some cappin'!

The Rock 28 Mar 2011 10:35 AM

"The FL Derby has bunch of talent I mean you have a sprinter going to the lead with Soldat"

Furlongs you realize soldat has ran 11/8 in his last few races.

Johnny 28 Mar 2011 10:39 AM

The more Derby prep races are run, the better Soldat is looking.

AnneM 28 Mar 2011 12:17 PM

Ranagulzion

"spotted by those of us with sharp eyes for the special ones"..

Do you mean the likes of QR or Jose Adan?..

You may want to temper your self-glorification a notch or two based upon your recent overviews.Uncle Mo is NOT a lock in the Derby,you soon shall witness the curse of the 2yo Eclipse Award winners' on the 1st Saturday in May.

Carlos in Cali 28 Mar 2011 1:23 PM

Just to be clear, I'm not a sour puss lol.  

Jason : If you really did hit that exacta and trifecta, that's an awesome hit most of us always dream of.  Hope you made some money to get another pair  of Jordans for Jax.

The Rock : I haven't looked at what races are running next weekend but will be posting my picks too.  Good hit on DD and looking forward to seeing your picks and analysis.

Carlos in Cali : I don't know what happened to Ranagulzion, used to post some good info but I think the QR disaster forever broke him apart.  Since QR's dismal performance in the Classics, he's not posted anything other than trying to redeem himself, seems to mee it affected his handicapping lol.  He needs to learn from Draynay, make bold outrageous picks out there and if it doesn't pan out, pretend he never liked the horse lol.  Just like he did with QR and RA. LOL

jayjay 28 Mar 2011 2:38 PM

The last Derby paid over $100,000 on a $1.00 superfecta.  Throw Mo out and put in Baffert's Plum Pretty or something.  She looked like Winning Colors in the Santa Anita Derby!  

This is the betting event of the year for the 2 dollar better!

I remember my girlfriend put 8 quarters on Giacomo.  She's a big Sting fan. This is all she had.  The attendant just kind of glared at her. Didn't like handling the change. After the race I told her to get back in his line.

Horses freak, and chalk is dead...dead...dead.  

Householder 28 Mar 2011 6:03 PM

Carlos in Cali,

Self-glorification?  Oh no my friend.  My picks which are usually in public sphere on here testify for me.  Concerning Quality Road there is no shame.  His Breeder's Cup flop doesn't define his career and might have been a failure on the part of the trainer to plot the best preparation strategy for that big race.  You and I know that the real QR didn't show up that day.  As for Jose Adan he was doomed once Godolphin bought him and shipped him out.  I will admit that his pedigree wasn't very deep and that his impressive come from behind victory in the Arlington Washington Futurity, his third victory in as many starts, flattered to deceive.  No problem Carlos.  I'm pretty good at spotting precocious talent but didn't claim to be perfect.

How would you rate spotting Big Drama, Big Brown (not the first one to do so), Eskendereya among the elite ones in recent years?

BTW how's your "bulldog" of yesteryear doing ...er... eh I mean I Want Revenge?  He too must have been overrated like er... eh ...his grandsire?.

You know what Carlos, just let your favourite sireline win the Kentucky Derby and I'll shut up.  Okay Bro?

Ranagulzion 28 Mar 2011 6:11 PM

Eating some chalk at 9 to 5 ain't bad when you have 500 on him win and he wins by 5.

draynay 28 Mar 2011 6:13 PM

The second reason is his rider is Calvin Borel, winner of 3 of the last 4 Derbys.  I'd back Borel if he were riding a three-legged burro in the Derby.    

Kris 27 Mar 2011 10:35 AM

You must be related to draynay Kris so I'll offer you the same bet.

Calvin Borel will NEVER win another KY Derby!! I have $5,000 to back that claim but only if draynay's money is as big as his mouth is. Whadda ya say big mouth..........er man?

callin out draynay 25 Mar 2011 9:25 AM

callin out draynay 28 Mar 2011 7:05 PM

Jay jay,

Uncle Mo is gonna beat you in the Derby. When the chalk is solid you just have to find the sublime exotics.

I'm not into the "bull chatter" bragging about what I caught or didn't, after the races are run.  I post some of my picks for all to see before race time so that you can draw your own conclusion from the results on the track.  You have to admit that Jason has been doing quite well as one who not only posts selections but also shares his analyses.

Some handicappers need to be retired to the "breeding shed" but as teasers, since their handicapping pedigree is suspect, from recent observable results (LOL).

Ranagulzion 28 Mar 2011 8:33 PM

The Rock:

You mean you don't like it when someone decides to transcribe War and Peace at the windows?  Or when someone tries to split the atom?  Or when someone recites the entire bible at the window?  

Personally, I think think the betting window is the perfect place, and 3 mintues until post the perfect time, for someone to write their first novel.

GunBow 28 Mar 2011 8:35 PM

I had win and tri Jayjay. It was a nice weekend. Wish I had more of them.

I cant wait until Fla. Derby this weekend.

New blog tomorrow.

Jason Shandler 28 Mar 2011 9:39 PM

Rana,

Look, I'm not a big fan of the S/S line, but eventually an A.P.Indy line horse may win the derby.  Will it happen this year? And how long are you staying off the blog if it does, or are you going to change your name?

I like Mo but I'm not sold on any particular horse yet for the Derby.  And then there's the question...Will it rain?

Aluminaut 28 Mar 2011 10:21 PM

Johnny-

I NEVER said Soldat has been spinting. Maybe you should read my post again. Or maybe even twice if it takes you that long to figure out what I was saying.

furlongs 28 Mar 2011 11:41 PM

That's a nice hit then, congrats!  Just saw the payout, I kinda knew it was going to be  big because of Nehro but didn't see it until today how much it paid.   That's a nice betting fund for the Derby.

To add insult to my LA Derby pain, our car got towed today and had to pay 200.00 to get it back, then as a bonus, the hawaii parking authority added 50.00 for parking on a tow zone.  They hide them "cleaning days" sign pretty well...I'm never renting a car here again...

jayjay 29 Mar 2011 12:54 AM

Aluminaut: Super Saver's dam sire was AP Indy....but Ranagul just can't concieve of the major influence a dam brings.  And runner-up Ice Box was by AP Indy son, Pulpit...so it already happened last year, but some refuse to recognize the pedigree.

Slew 29 Mar 2011 9:09 AM

I like Mo but I'm not sold on any particular horse yet for the Derby.  And then there's the question...Will it rain?

Aluminaut 28 Mar 2011 10:21 PM

Aluminaut,

It will most crtainly rain on draynay's parade and anyone who has Mo to win. Uncle Mo will not win the KY.Derby!!

no mo mo 29 Mar 2011 9:19 AM

Elite Alex to the Ark. Derby in a last ditch effort to get the earnings to go to Louisville? My prediction is that if he gets to Louisville he will finish ahead of Uncle Mo in the Derby. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it draynay.

give em one more chance 29 Mar 2011 10:40 AM

Ranagulzion:  I'm glad to hear you're finally retiring.  I'm sure others will miss you.  To be honest with you, I think it's a good move.  Need to stay away after that QR fiasco where you just put ALL IN on that horse, all the bragging and the talk about this superhorse and he just pretty much made you look like a fool.  I can only imagine how hard that would be to take in on a public blog but you'll survive my man...you'll survive.

As I said to Draynay, try the Quarter Horses man, quick and dirty. You might do well in it.

jayjay 29 Mar 2011 12:55 PM

Aluminaut,

I'll repeat myself for your benefit. If any AP Indy or Bernardini colt wins the Kentucky Derby this year I'll retire from these blogs. AP Indy and/ or Bernardini can silence me forever.  No moniker change.  No kidding.  This is how serious and certain I am about my pronouncements.  I've put Bernardini into the equation, not because i don't believe that he can eventually sire a Derby winner.  Its just that I'm certain that it will not happen for him as a first crop sire.  The odds are astronomically against him.  If I'm wrong the honourable thing to do would be to shut up and sign off after all my ramblings against the "great" stallion/sire of sires.

BTW after much debating I've given up on explaining to Slew, the difference between a Stallion siring a Derby winner and being a broodmare sire of a Derby winner.  Maybe you can explain it clearer than I for the benefit of Slew and Jersey Boy. These are two diferent breeding performance categories but some folks don't or wont get it.

At this point my top Derby contenders are 1) Uncle Mo 2) Dialed In 3) Premier Pegasus 4) The Factor 5) Soldat 6) Mucho Macho Man 7) Santiva 8) Watch Me Go 9) Jaycito 10) Anthony's Cross 11) Master of Hounds 12) Animal Kingdom.  If I knew for sure that Flashpoint was being pointed to the Derby, I'd put him in place of Animal Kingdom.

Ranagulzion 29 Mar 2011 2:02 PM

Jay jay,

Don't start spreading rumors now buddy. Ranagulzion is going nowhere. Let's pit your picks against mine and see who needs to retire.  

Ranagulzion 29 Mar 2011 2:18 PM

Eating some chalk at 9 to 5 ain't bad when you have 500 on him win and he wins by 5.

draynay 28 Mar 2011 6:13 PM

But it doesn't make up for you choking to death on it ala Cal Nation at 1/5 or Brethren at .5/1 or RA at 1/9 multiple times or QR at odds on or Big Brown at his odds in the Belmont, or etc. etc. etc.

mr pibb 29 Mar 2011 3:05 PM

Curlin had over 1 million dollars in the win pool for the Breeder's Cup Classic!  How did that one work out?

Householder 29 Mar 2011 6:32 PM

DRAYNAY

Hell,let's just go ahead and hand Mo the Derby. How does that sound?

Mike Relva 29 Mar 2011 8:38 PM

Mucho Macho Man ran a great race after having his shoe torn off at the start. I'm pleased to see he showed the heart to give it his all unlike Big Brown who a couple years ago lost a shoe and folded the tent. These things happen in racing and in both these cases it was their own fault but only one of the two showed the heart of a champion under adversity.

Mucho Machoness 30 Mar 2011 11:07 AM

Mike, it's a given Uncle Mo winning the Derby and Preakness I am just keeping my fingers crossed he has enough to win the Belmont.  He is just 4 races from greatness.

Draynay 30 Mar 2011 2:21 PM

DRAYNAY

Not buying it.

Mike Relva 30 Mar 2011 5:48 PM

Hey look another clueless comment about Big Brown.  Mucho he didn't lose the shoe it got bent getting stepped on coming out of the gate by a Maiden winner.  Rookie.

Draynay 30 Mar 2011 5:54 PM

Pssssssst Mike Relva,

Let's just tell draynay we'll concede Mo the Derby and Preakness if he will stay away until the Belmont. He's delusional enough to buy it.

no mo mo 30 Mar 2011 9:00 PM

The shoe was loose not bent AND Big Brown swerved into that maiden winner,look at the replay! Rookie.

Yadda-Yadda 30 Mar 2011 9:38 PM

Hey look another clueless comment by draynay who likes to act like he knows it all. Go back to handicapping 101 and try to learn something beyond how to spot the favorite. FYI draynay Guadalcanal was STILL a Maiden not even a Maiden winner when Big Brown spooked coming out of the gate and broke into him causing Guad any chance of winning the race. Guadalcanal did however whip Big Brown to the finish line. Big Brown caused his own problems and didn't have the heart to overcome it.  

Mucho Machoness 30 Mar 2011 9:39 PM

Mike, it's a given Uncle Mo winning the Derby and Preakness I am just keeping my fingers crossed he has enough to win the Belmont.  He is just 4 races from greatness.

Draynay 30 Mar 2011 2:21 PM

Mike Relva,

He's already starting to backpedal and set up an excuse. "hoping he'll have enough left"? What happened to being unbeatable by any horse any age? Next will come the Preakness waffle something like they held out horses so they would be fresh to meet Mo. Then he'll waffle b4 the Derby with someother lame idea to fall back on when Mo gets whipped.

Uncle Mo will not win the Ky Derby!!

no mo mo 01 Apr 2011 1:01 PM

NO MO MO

I agree. Talk about loyality. lol

Mike Relva 01 Apr 2011 10:53 PM


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