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Weekend Derby Prep Analysis

A huge weekend of racing like this, which includes three Derby preps and opening weekend of Keeneland, needs little introduction. Let's get right to it.

Santa Anita Derby

It was a major bummer to see a talented horse like Premier Pegasus injured and out of the race. It's a reminder of how fleeting Kentucky Derby dreams can be, and unfortunately, we will probably see other contenders go down in these last four weeks leading up to May 7.

Premier Pegasus' absence opens the way for Jaycito to assume the role as favorite and he should be very tough to beat. There is plenty of speed in here, which should set things up for the closing Jaycito, who will likely improve off of his San Felipe runner-up effort. This colt will benefit from the additional sixteenth of a mile and now that he has a start under him this year, should be geared up to run a big race. Don't worry about the outside post.

It seems like a pretty chalky race to me. I also like both Silver Medallion and Anthony's Cross, who will probably be the second and third choices, respectively. Silver Medallion makes his first start on dirt but trains over the Santa Anita main track for Steve Asmussen. He enters off consecutive wins, including the nine-furlong El Camino Real Derby, an impressive effort that prompted a private sale of the colt with the Derby in mind. Silver Medallion needs at least a third-place finish to make the Derby and should run well, especially with Gomez back aboard.

Anthony's Cross also needs earnings. He comes off a nearly two-month layoff after winning the Robert Lewis on Feb. 12. The Indian Charlie colt sat just behind testing fractions that day and finished up gamely in 1:48 3/5. He's the only horse in the race with a win over the track at 1 1/8 miles, which is attractive, as is getting the red-hot Joel Rosario back in the irons.

I will play the aforementioned three in a trifecta, and may also include Bench Points, who has never finished off the board in five starts. It's a chalky play, but that's how I see it.

Wood Memorial

Uncle Mo is 1-5 on the morning-line and will be probably be every bit of that low price on Saturday. Rightfully so. He's the only graded stakes winner and absolutely towers over this overmatched field.

Mo might find himself on the lead right from the start. If there is one horse that could go with him, it might be maiden winner Duca, but he draws outside of Mo. Either way, Mo will be on or very close to the lead and it's hard to foresee him not having the lead turning for home and cruising from there.

I think Toby's Corner will run much better than his third-place Gotham, and see him as the only potential threat to Mo. His win in the Feb. 5 Whirlaway was in the slop, so if the track comes up wet--which it might--he moves up even more. Graham Motion is adding blinkers on Toby's Corner to keep him more involved early. There is a good chance it will help.

Arthur's Tale would be the other colt I would use under Mo. The $750,000 son of Bernardini was fourth in both of his stakes starts but rebounded with a one-mile optional claiming win Feb. 5 at Aqueduct--also in the mud. He has a decent chance to get a piece, but they are all running for second.

Illinois Derby

Well, Watch Me Go won the Tampa Bay Derby by a neck at 43-1 and is the only stakes winner in a field that includes four, yes four, maidens. That pretty much sums up the quality of this race. However, even though it may not be the strongest of fields, it does present a good betting opportunity, especially after I toss favored Watch Me Go.

There should be a solid early pace and it could work out well for Sour, who enters off a good second in allowance company against stablemate Left, who wound up in the Louisiana Derby. He also ran second to Machen in his debut, so he has faced some decent horses so far. Sour should appreciate more distance and the stalking trip he'll get. He's my pick.

I will also use Joe Vann, who is on Todd Pletcher's B Team but has won two straight by wide margins. Pletcher has won this race three times. I'll also use New York shipper The Fed Eased, who had the lead at the top of the stretch in the Gotham until tiring. He shows three good works since then for a high-percentage trainer Rick Violette.

At Keeneland, I'm going with Great Mills to upset Pluck in today's Transylvania and Excited with Kathmanblu and Wyomia in tomorrow's Ashland.

Good luck this weekend. Who do you like?

209 Comments:

Anthony's Cross is training like a monster.  If you get anything close to his 6-1 morning line go to the windows.

Smoking Baby 08 Apr 2011 11:37 AM

Transylvania later today is a very interesting race. Pluck did not impress in his season debut, but is the obvious favorite. Great Mills and Adirondack Summer both have impressed. Even more than either of those, I like Powhatan County. He is on the rise. There's your superfecta.

Old Timer 08 Apr 2011 11:59 AM

Really unfortunate about Premier Pegasus. I hope Jaycito moves forward after his San Felipe effort and that all horses in all the preps this weekend come back safely.

Karen in Texas 08 Apr 2011 12:49 PM

Wood or no Wood, Uncle Mo will not win the Ky. Derby!! Heck they ducked the Fla. Derby and Dialed In just to run another creampuff race. If this were a west coast horse we would be reading how he's racing nobodies to protect his unbeaten record.

no mo mo 08 Apr 2011 12:54 PM

SA Derby:

4,9,11/3,5,10/2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11

$3 box 10/3,4,5,9,11

$10 box 9,11

santa anita rose 08 Apr 2011 1:16 PM

draynay's Santa Anita bet:

Chalk (hope the public's right)/all( can't figure out)/all (can't figure out)/all (can't figure out)

mr pibb 08 Apr 2011 1:17 PM

Anthony's Cross

Mo

Left

Carry on...

Ted from LA 08 Apr 2011 1:22 PM

Wood Mem (Norman Asbjornson)

Santa Anita (Jaycito/Midnight Int)

Ill Derby (Southern Sculptor)

Get ready to cash in tomorrow.

Point Given 08 Apr 2011 1:28 PM

The Wood

1 Toby

2 Norman

3 Mo

Surprises all the Experts in here!

McGuane 08 Apr 2011 1:36 PM

Like Mr Commons to have a break out race. Will combine him with Jaycito and Anthony, both look fit and ready to eat distance up. Don't like Bench Points, not off of that rubber legged finish in the SF. Distance does not seem to be what he needs.

El Kabong 08 Apr 2011 1:43 PM

Enough with the ducking business! Having suffered through years of it (re: a certain mare), I fully realize that Uncle Mo and his connections have NO control over who else enters a race. The Wood is not the Timely Writer. It's a prep in which many top class contenders have competed in the past. One thing we may find out at Aqueduct on Sat. is whether Uncle Mo can handle the slop or not.

We know he's very talented, we know he hasn't been challenged yet this year but we don't know how he would perform if the track comes up sloppy on Derby Day. Hopefully, we'll get an answer to that if nothing else.

Now that Premier Pegasus is injured (the racing gods are cruel barbarians!) I've lost my pick at the top of my SA Derby trifecta (and my possible favorite for the KD). I don't have a strong opinion on any of the other contenders in the SA Derby. One thing I've noticed is that Mr. Commons has the best late pace figure of the remaining 10. How's that for value, Jason?  

Zookeeper 08 Apr 2011 1:45 PM

Jason, 300 dollar DD 9th race at Aqu. 10 with 5.  Do you think it will pay 9 dollars ?

Draynay 08 Apr 2011 1:59 PM

I had written in other blogs that Premier Pegasus was overrated, overextended in a collapsing pace in The San Felipe, and was tiring, yes, tiring. These trainers keep showing off with their speed horses, and guess what, turns out Premier is out, most likely for awhile.

I think Mo is the real deal, and until people accept that he is worthy of the praise, we will get the races full of colts who will chase him and be retired trying to catch him. Duca chased Mo in his Maiden race, the same race that King Congie was in. King Congie is now out of it.  My guess is that Mo's competition tomorrow will either serve to pull an Angle Light (supposed to be the rabbit in the Wood for Secretariat, who had never run against Sham, and won on the lead) or Mo will cruise home unopposed.  Note that though he ran an 89 Beyer, Mo ran the race upside down-that is, faster fractions at the end, so his personal Beyer based on a 22.87 final quarter was much higher than an 89.

I am interested in another horse: Jaycito, who ran widest of all against Mo,  and then ran greenly to finish off the board, but rallied from well off the pace. I see him as a legitimate contender tomorrow in the Santa Anita Derby, if not a winner.

R Heat Lightning is another one I like, a filly with brilliant speed who might be the only one to beat Mo in the Derby, but she's running in the Oaks-so far. I wish someone would convince her connections to pull a Genuine Risk or Winning Colors. However, her barn may not want the risk.

jon 08 Apr 2011 2:30 PM

Uncle Mo wins by ten. All of the naysayers defy their eyes, and call him the next Bellamy Road, that he has two few dosage points, that no Indian Charlie can get the distance and blah blah blah get proven wrong in the Derby.

alexaso 08 Apr 2011 2:52 PM

Jason, I like Mr. Commons tomorrow for the SAD. Lightly raced, second two turn race, and there are no world beaters in here. Mike Smith gets back up. For the Wood it is a a matter of how easy Uncle Mo wins. Still want Johnny V. to ask him in the stretch to know what's under the hood.

Ivan 08 Apr 2011 3:08 PM

NO MO MO,

Try saying Summer doesn't come in June a thousand times and see if it works. Then you can be confident in your mantra.

Anthony's Cross will humble Jaycito in the Santa Anita Derby and look for Comma To The Top to go close.

Uncle Mo looking good in the Wood, cantering home by 10 lengths and pulling a bus (unless Duca or "Norman" turns out to be something special, capable of finishing within 5 lengths of the champ).  This is money for jam. A soup. A walk in the park. A cakewalk. An afternoon stroll. An armchair-ride for Johnny V.  What mo can I tell you No Mo Mo?  

Ranagulzion 08 Apr 2011 3:18 PM

jon you said Premier Pegasus was overrated--you did not call his fractured cannon bone, get over yourself!

Matthew W 08 Apr 2011 3:33 PM

I hear Jaycito has a foot abcess and may miss tomorrow's sa derby also. he may point to the Lexington Stakes.... Ouch

Billy's Empire 08 Apr 2011 3:37 PM

Don't Count on Jaycito to run.  Hoof Bruise.  And even if he does run might now put forth much effort.  Looking like Indian Winter for the win lol.  Looked like a great betting race for the superfecta now its wide open so it will pay like a slot machine

Antman 08 Apr 2011 3:43 PM

Baffert's holding a strong hand, right now! He has the speed/The Factor, as well as the stamina/Jaycito--we'll know much more after this weekend, but Uncle Mo should romp in his million dollar allowance race, stamping him as the heavy favorite in Kentucky--enter Bob Baffert--Pletcher's gonna have his hands full of that pest!

Matthew W 08 Apr 2011 3:50 PM

Keenland Transylvania today

Memen....my pick.

DP 08 Apr 2011 3:54 PM

Bench Points!

MRO 08 Apr 2011 3:58 PM

"Cruguet, 72, Would Need Doctor's OK to Ride"

Hey, if Abe Vigota can ride at Arlington, I don't see why this should be an issue.

Ted from LA 08 Apr 2011 4:06 PM

Mo wins the Wood by however many lengths as Velasquez wants.

And unless The Factor runs in the Derby, if Mo starts, he wins by four plus lengths with his only competition being 1:59 and 2/5ths.  If The Factor proves worthy we have a horse race with Dialed In also being a factor.

With Jaycito out too, this is an uninspiring bunch in The Santa Anita Derby.

2:24 08 Apr 2011 4:27 PM

well santa anita derby is left wide open and the wood uncle moe.

Okay

First the Uncle Moe and the wood

I still dont feel uncle moe has face any real competition so i look for value and the horse is Full of Scoundrels I know what the hell are you thinking.Well first thought is about Full of Scoundrels is his maiden 12 MARCH 2011 win  six furlong which he won in  1:12 he showed something that day if you read his comments lunged,steadied start he had trouble that day and picked up the pieces late to win.Showed that he has style  and determination.He was claimed from the barn Of Galluscio Dominic G. for 12,500 in his next out 20 march 2011 he ran in a Str 50000nw1/x a race that was ran in  1 mile and seventy yards which he ran second to Isn't He Perfect but if you look at Full of Scoundrels race comments 4w 1/4,loomed,outkick the key word here is 4 wide.With a clean trip and cc lopez on his mount the third is the charm.

bet for the wood

Full of Scoundrels at 50-1 or higher i will take a chance win and place

know lets move to the santa anita derby

While this years santa anita derby is primed to be wide open so i will be buying Offlee Wild Boys (CA) because when a horse is on a upswing need to take him i am not going to read into him but with a solid pacesetting wins and J Talamo

reminds me of gary stevens cash my ticket.

bet for santa anita derby

Offlee Wild Boys win and place will be cheering talamo at the wire back to back santa anita derby wins 50-1 or higher i will take it

marc 08 Apr 2011 4:36 PM

I wonder if Brethren,Sway Away or any of those other ARK Derby horses wish they would have entered now?

TJ 08 Apr 2011 5:02 PM

well, now that Jaycito is not gonna go, the connections of the Cal-bred Bench Points have got to be thinking one man'e loss is another man's gain! I'm a softy for a good Cal-bred, tom Unzip Me and Caracortado are looking good, and now Bench Points will get his chance--that's a nice horse, with a good trainer, Tim Yakkity-Yakteen--maybe three Cal-bred stakes winners tom--also Beyond Loaded in the 4th race looks good, (I'll be "beyond loaded" if all those Cal-breds win!)

Matthew W 08 Apr 2011 5:04 PM

Jason: Sounds like To Honor And Serve has a slight injury, the trainer reports.

tcc 08 Apr 2011 5:07 PM

Wood:

Mo

Norman Asbjornson

Toby´s Corner

Santa Anita:

(Seems like Jaycito is out too, so...)

Silver Medallion

Anthony´s Cross

Bench Points

Illinois:

Watch Me Go

Sour

El Grayling

Zarkava 08 Apr 2011 5:28 PM

Will you people do me a favor.  All of you that are betting against Uncle Mo and are taking other horses for the win will you please state the amount you are betting so we know how much you are losing.  Picking any other horse for the win is money wasted.

draynay 08 Apr 2011 5:38 PM

Looks like Jaycito will be out of the Santa Anita Derby with a foot bruise. That race sure fell apart quickly.

shuvee 08 Apr 2011 6:13 PM

Jason? Excited? Really? Kathmanblu likes to win and has done nothing wrong but for my money I am going with Delightful Mary.  She loves the poly and I think her and Wyomia will battle all the way to the wire for the win.

Draynay 08 Apr 2011 6:53 PM

Jason, tough beat for Great Mills.

Zookeeper 08 Apr 2011 7:03 PM

The Rock : Here are my picks for this weekend :

SA Derby :

11,7 /11,7,4,10, /11,7,4,10,6

11,7,4 /11,7,4,6 /11,7,4,6,10

11,6 /11,6,4,7 /11,6,4,7,10

11,7 /11,7,4,6/11,4,7,6,10/11,4,7,6,10

$5 Exacta Box 11 / 7

Wood Mem :

Tri : 5 / 2, 4, 8, 10 / 2, 4, 8, 1, 10

Tri : 8, 5 / 8, 5, 2 /4, 5, 2, 8, 1

$1 Super : 5, 8 / 5, 4, 2, 8 / 5, 4, 2, 8, 1, 10 / 5, 4, 2, 8, 1, 10

ILLINOIS Derby :

11,7 / 11,7,3,4 / 11,7,3,4,10

11,4 / 11,4,6,7,5,10 / 11,4,6,7,5,10

11,4 / 11,6,4,7,5 / 11,6,4,7,5,10 / 11,6,4,7,5,10

Good luck to all this weekend!

jayjay 08 Apr 2011 7:06 PM

Jon : Your brilliance is amazing to me.  You contradicted yourself by berating the trainers with speed horses running against Mo and in the same breath (post), you're asking a FILLY's connection to run against Mo and thinks she can beat him.  Talk about ruining a filly.  Ridiculous.

jayjay 08 Apr 2011 7:13 PM

Good grief! Now, Jaycito is out of the SA Derby and THAS is off the KD Derby trail. The suspensory injury (if it happened in the FD) explains a lot.

The ML odds on Mr. Commons have gone down to 4-1. Poof!

Zookeeper 08 Apr 2011 7:19 PM

When will the anti-Mo's take a few minutes and READ at least the story line on Mike?  He is FROM New York for crying out loud and has wanted to be able to win this race his whole life, and he made it clear months ago that Mo would be in the Wood. The OTHER horses are the ones that are skeered in this picture. Mo will win the Wood by 2 with Toby stalking but fading at the wire. Toby needs the earnings too

With  Jaycito and PP now out of the SA, it sure opens up

some other horses to get some needed graded earnings before May 7. And it also means that our Georgia horse, MMM moves up on the list of Serious Derby condensers with only 28 days to go.

Bill in Alanta 08 Apr 2011 7:42 PM

Zookeeper, I totally agree with you! The Wood is one of the biggest prep almost every year, not Mo,s fault that everyone is ducking him to go to easier preps to win enough graded stake money (when, 1 month away, the #20 is over 200 0000$)

People saying he ''never beat anyone in his life''...have you ever heard of the Breeders' Cup? I know some people are only watching some Derby preps in the spring, not judging anyone here, but maybe that's why some people say he never ran in good races.

And Mo easily galloped out in 1:49 in the TW, while Dialed In was all out to win in 1;50 in the Florida Derby (and if you consider how far he was from the pace, Dialed In ran more or less the same times than Mo during the first mile, so no arguments like ''Mo ran a looottt slower at the start so that's why he wasn,t tired and Dialed In was'').

We'll have to see about the 1 1/4 mile, but so far, Mo didn't do nothing wrong

Johny 08 Apr 2011 8:21 PM

Jaycito also out of the SA Derby.  He should be able to make the Lexington, but as a fan that will be attending Santa Anita tomorrow, ugh.

To Honor and Serve will join Premier Pegasus on the sidelines and miss the Derby.  This doesn't shock me.  His two efforts this year were not good, and I never bought the excuse that Mott hadn't "cranked him up" yet.

GunBow 08 Apr 2011 8:25 PM

With both of the big boys gone from the Santa Anita Derby, the race could be fairly wide open. Anthony's Cross and Indian Winter should get it done, box for exacta.

Not convinced Silver Medallion will run well here.

predict 08 Apr 2011 8:53 PM

Nice article on the weekend preps, Jason!  Mo is looking more mighty by the minute to me too.  I agree Toby's Corner may be the only threat.  Don't know much about Norman, will be interesting.  

Can you believe poor PrePeg, undergoing surgery today.  Now Jaycito is scratched with a foot ailment, and THAS is out for about 4 weeks with a ligament injury, looks like no Derby for him either. Yikes!  3 losses on the trail in one day!  We are having rain in New Jersey and New York today so tomorrow's Wood Memorial track may come be wet and we can see how Mo takes to it.  Mo for the win hands down, wet or dry.

You know what would have been "cool?"  Did you notice Bruce Beck of NBC Sports talking to Mike Repole in the Mo meet and greet video?  Well I say it would have been really cool if you were in it too surrounded by some "Bloodhorse Bloggers!"  Now that would have been really cool.  Good luck to Mo and all come home safe this weekend.

Alex'sBigFan 08 Apr 2011 9:22 PM

Having both Premier Pegasus and Jaycito scratched from the race is tough. I like Anthony's Cross, Bench Points, and Silver Medallion. And Comma to the Top. Don't know a whole lot of the others.

No one should catch Uncle Mo in the Wood.

Undecided with the rest of the races this weekend. Good luck everyone. Hope all the horses and riders have a safe trip.To read that To Honor and Serve is injured is heart breaking, too.

ZJ 08 Apr 2011 9:59 PM

I really hope Mo DOMINATES the Wood and brings his Derby price down to even money!  Oh how much better the payouts will be after he takes the lead at the 3/8ths pole on May 7 and fades to finish 11th beaten badly in the stretch run.

The payouts will be large, just gotta hope you choose the right upset bid.

TJLuvsTizs 08 Apr 2011 10:08 PM

With Jaycito out the SA Derby loses a lot of luster. I will wait to see odds before I make my selections.

Jason Shandler 08 Apr 2011 10:19 PM

I'm saying it from now..I like Dance City to upset the Factor next weekend...as for this weekend...Dancing in her dreams boxed with Excitd @ Keeneland.

SaratogaDreamin 08 Apr 2011 10:24 PM

Uncle Mo will win so who cares about the race right?? Well if you do care about the race other then just watching it that is. Take a $50 cold 5-4 Ex. It looks like only horse that can run second to Uncle Mo to me... I mean after Stay Thirsty why would anyone want to bet any horse out of the Gotham Stakes... As fot SA Derby and ILL Derby who cares! lol Keeneland and Oaklawn are the only places to be betting right now I think. Top racing big fields and great payouts. Good luck at the windows everyone!

furlongs 08 Apr 2011 10:46 PM

Midnight Interlude will be another Baffert's winner in SA Derby and another KD contender.Norman Asbjornson(Real Quiet VS Uncle Mo(Indian Charlie)and all of you knew what happened in 1998 KD.

Point Given 08 Apr 2011 10:47 PM

Well, the stars are alligning for Mo, as Premier Pegasus will probably never race again, and Jaycito will be not be fit enough to race in the Derby since he'd be running two weeks prior.

Mo is the real deal. I know people keep focusing on his pedigree, but, he has already outperformed his sire as a runner. As the colts drop away, there will be no colt or filly left to challenge Mo in the Derby. He will win that by default.

I hope that the trainers of these injured colts learn one thing: stop showing off. Premier Pegasus is now in surgery because of his stretch run in the San Felipe that set him up to end his career. Now, we have Jaycito with a bruise, who will not race in the Derby.  Mo's connections have not taxed him. Guess which colt is still around.

There are some myths that are circulating about Mo and colts in general: one is, a colt needs 3 races to win a stakes. Nope. Man O' War won the Preakness as his first start in 1920. Second: the line that Mo can't run a 1 1/4 is baloney. Secretariat couldn't do it either, and by golly, he did, same as with the Belmont. Pedigree is just one factor, and Mo has already proven that he is a superstar.

What now? Well, since trainers and jockeys and owners don't learn, and have big egos, expect more injuries as we approach the Derby except for Mo.  Expect some big names to end up injured in races from overaggressive riding, overextending the colt, or simple stupidity of placing a colt in a race in which he is not suited.

The Derby will be filled with colts who will never race again, will be injured chasing Mo, and who simply will not belong. Here's a new concept-use common sense when running your horse. If he hasn't won a stakes, can't win a stakes and hasn't demonstrated the ability, don't jeopardize the race and your colt just to see your name on the program. That's sheer stupidity.

I am jumping on the R Heat Lightning bandwagon. I hope she runs in the Kentucky Derby, because she can run with Mo. If not, pencil Mo in as the Triple Crown champion. People are scrambling to beat him, but don't try because if you do, you're chasing the wind, and that can't be done. Just accept that this year we have a Triple Crown Champion, and it's a fact that no one can change. Just as Secretariat defined greatness, so too will Mo.

jon 08 Apr 2011 10:58 PM

Boy has this been a disappointing week. Zookeeper you are so right. Agree with all you said.

Paula Higgins 08 Apr 2011 11:16 PM

The Santa Anita Derby is now wide open. I think whoever wins will have high odds because jaycito and Prepeg are not running. For people like me who like Anthony's Cross that is a big plus.

My three:

Anthony's Cross

Mr Commons

Bench Points

The wood is Uncle Mo's. I can't believe that decent horses would not try to get second money in this race. Instead of all us how weak of races that Uncle Mo has had. Lets complain why so many others have ducked him. Soldat and Dialed in have legit reasons but why did THAS not go back to the track you won twice. Stay Thirsty also should have made it a one two punch.

The wood predictions

Uncle Mo

who cares

Illinois derby is a mere afterthought right now. Watch me go is the favorite and there are four maidens in the field. Even though it is a low amount of cash you still might get in based on the defections.

Illinois

Joe Vann

Watch Me Go

Sour

Lets hope there is no more major defections so there can be a decent derby this year.

RJPPDP 08 Apr 2011 11:31 PM

Johny,

It's not a question of ducking, it's about running a horse in a race where he has a good chance of winning in order to accumulate enough earnings to go to the KD. For those who are already assured of a spot, why run against Uncle Mo now? If there's one race where UM will be vulnerable it is the KD. The nature of the beast is enough to defeat the best and it often has. There's no upside to running against Mo before the big day. With that said kudos to the connections of the horses who have the gumption to try him on in the Wood. All "ducking talk" is just that: talk, whether it's about UM or the other horses heading for the Derby. Everybody involved is just trying to get there in one piece with a horse that is as well prepared as is possible.

Zookeeper 08 Apr 2011 11:56 PM

Jaycito, and To Honor and Serve, and especially Premier Peg -- disappointments to be sure.  

But what has happened to Pluck, state side's great grass hope?  

In current form, its tough to see him competing in a 200 guineas claimer.

Good call on Great Mills stretching out, Jason (even if Air Support ran him down, it was a good ride by Leparoux, getting enough separation from the field to hold off most of the closers), but this is not the Pluck that Pletcher built.

Nor even Pluck in Motion, but Pluck quite still.  That is, its hard to see the trainer change as the cause, but what else then? Any speculation or solid information?

Aaron McCinci 09 Apr 2011 12:19 AM

jon- please tell me you know how many times Man O'War started as s two year old and how many times he carried 130 as a two year old.  He had a great foundation.  Also, as has been pointed out to you many times, the Preakness was a prep for the Belmont in Man O'War's day.  It was a 9 furlong race.  How does a seasoned horse making a debut in a stakes race which is a prep for the Belmont in any way similar to Uncle Mo?  At least compare him to Regret.  She ran three times as a two year old, winning three top Saratoga two year old stakes races over males.  Her first start as a three year old was the Derby, and she won, over males.  Later in her career she won over the top males of her generation.  Of course, she trained the Derby distance twice before she ran in it, and was much more stoutly bred than Uncle Mo is.  But at least she was lightly raced as is Uncle Mo.  When Uncle Mo can fill Man O'War's shoes, then you can talk about him and Man O'War in similar fashion.  Do you also realize that both Man O'War and Regret ran quite a long time ago?  Training was different, more rigorous back then.  We rarely see trainers training their horses a mile anymore, let alone 10 furlongs.  To be clear, I think Uncle Mo is a very talented horse.  When he proves to me that he belongs in the same category as some of the legends, then I will heartily embrace him.  But he does have to prove it.  And not by seeing other horses fall by the wayside because unfortunately they have been injured.  He has to prove it.  Period.

Footlick 09 Apr 2011 12:35 AM

Not very thrilled anymore about the weekend races.  Had Air Support today as I did in the BC Juvenile Turf, and had Adirondack Summer, but not Great Mills.  Stupid.  At least I had a win bet on Air Support, but it was a sweet tri and I blew it.  Let me look at tomorrow's races and see what I can screw up again!  I really liked Wyomia until Dray picked her.  Have to really rethink now, but I do feel she and Draw It are the two I will settle on.  Back with my picks tomorrow.

Footlick 09 Apr 2011 12:40 AM

I have seen every Santa Anita Derby since 1955, and I am going on record as saying this is the weakest field ever assembled, thanks to the injuries of Premier Pegasus and Jacito. They are dropping like flies, I can only hope Uncle Mo stays healthy because I believe as I have been saying for several months that not only will he win the Kentucky Derby, but the Triple Crown as well. He wins by daylight in the Wood Memorial..........

Deacon 09 Apr 2011 1:05 AM

I'm also a softy for N Y breds--Yawanna Twist in the Car--tier', haha--he hasn't the Beyers but he HAS the class--12-1 areya kiddin' me?? Ca Ching! Comma To The Top looks way tough at Santa Anita, I am also playing Bench Points, and there are a couple of others in there who look like very nice three year olds--despite the two huge scratches, the Santa Anita Derby looks tough this year....other horses I'll be playing at Santa Anita tom: R4 Beyond Loaded...R5 both of Mandella's horses: Just Meteor and Mr Make Believe, whom I think will be ready to win this right out of the box/first start....R6 Gallatin's Run stalk/pounce/win....R7 Caracortado...R9 Cambina looks tough but will include the Euro Whisper Louise..R11 Hey Maria is best horse/She's All Yours a live longshot--very live!....plus one bet at each track: Aqu R9 Yawanna Twist...Hawthorne R7 Zoebear....Oaklawn R9 Devil's Prize--all in all, not bad, not bad at all--hey wait a minute, mummy, can I play just one more? ok, the La Premera Del Ano Derby: Enjoy The Walk--another of (hopefully!) my live ones, tom--I love this game....

Matthew W 09 Apr 2011 2:25 AM

SA Derby- Quail Hill  Wood- Norman Asbjornson                  

RS 09 Apr 2011 2:42 AM

As of Thursday morning, the Santa Anita Derby had a truly good field.  

PrePeg was a legit top 5 Derby contender, and Jaycito a top 10 contender(some might have had them switched with Jaycito the top 5 and PrePeg the 5-10).

Silver Medallion, somewhat of a mystery having never raced on dirt, made for a solid 3rd choice and was in most people's top 15 for the Derby.  Then there was Anthony's Cross, a tough but not necessarilly fast horse in most poeple's top 20, as the 4th choice.  Throw in Mr. Commons and gr.1 winner Comma to the Top, and we had a serious prep.

Now...

Silver Medallion is a nice horse, and holds some potential if he can transfer his turf and synth form to dirt.  However, given that he's unproven on the dirt, he's a very dubious favorite.  Silver Medallion looked like a decent play as the 3rd choice, but now as the favorite, the risk-reward ratio has really swung.

Given the favorite is only 10th-15th in most Derby rankings, the SA Derby is simply not a strong race anymore, and I doubt it will have  much of an impact on things in Louisville.  The one exception is if Silver Medallion really takes to the dirt.  The pace is going to be much quicker than he's used to, but he does have some tactical speed, and I liked the way he accelerated whn called upon in the El Camino Real.

The other horse I can see winning impressively is Comma to the Top.  With far less pace pressure than in the San Felipe, Comma might be able to break the race open on the turn and build up an insurmountable lead.  However, even if he were to do so, 10 furlongs looks too far for him, and his trainer has all but ruled out Kentucky anyways.

While I don't see Anthony's Cross turning in a dominating effort, I do think he's the most likely winner.  Silver Medallion may be the most likely to win impressively(if someone is to win impressively), but he is still a question mark and it's entirely possible he packs it in when stung by the dirt clods after a mile of running.  With Anthony's Cross, on the other hand, you know what you're getting.

Anthony's Cross has never run a fast Beyer, but neither have any of the other horses left in the field.  Anthony's Cross doesn't have brilliant speed, but he has some early lick and is tractable, and thus should work out a good trip.  In his Lewis win, Anthony's Cross was able to stay within reach of Tapizar, chasing fast fractions.  Although the final eighth of the Lewis was slow, Anthony showed gameness, running hard to the wire.  Anthony has a graded stakes win over the track at 9 furlongs, and has been training well after a 2 month break. And his trainer, Eoin Harty, has experience getting horses to the Derby.

Because there are no longer any standouts, and the favorite Silver Medallion has so many question marks, I wouldn't be surprised by any result save Offlee Wild Boys winning.  My guess is the time will be between 1:48 and 1:49(maybe a little slower if the track is still holding more moisture), and the winning Beyer in the 90-93 range.

As it turns out, Draynay may be correct in instructing everyone to throw out the SA Derby horses this year.

By the way, I wonder if PrePeg and Jaycito are still going to be on the t-shirts the track will be passing out.  If so, those t-shirts will be a melancholy reminder of what could have been.  

On that topic, was anyone at Santa Anita for the 98' Big Cap?  The race set up as a virtual match race between Gentlemen and Silver Charm.  Thus, the track created a really cool poster of Silver Charm and Gentlemen in a boxing ring getting ready to square off.  Unfortunately, Silver Charm was scratched either the moring of the race or the day before(he was just slightly off and healed quick enough to win the Dubai World Cup a few weeks later).  Gentlemen met only 3 other horses in the Big Cap, and was made the 1-20 favorite.  Gentlemen then proceeded to bleed and run last, putting the cherry on top of a really disappointing day.

GunBow 09 Apr 2011 3:08 AM

jon:

You write that Uncle Mo has already outperformed his sire, Indian Charlie.

I think Uncle Mo has accomplished more than Indian Charlie ever did, given Mo won a Breeder's Cup race and an Eclipse award.

However, in terms of pure performance on the racetrack, I'm not sure Uncle Mo has run as well as Indian Charlie did at his best.  Go watch the 98' SA Derby when Indian Charlie took it to his stablemate Real Quiet, the horse that came a few inches from winning the Triple Crown.  Also in that SA Serby field of 98' was Artax, the 99' champion sprinter and multiple track record holder(and a horse that ran 3 Beyers in the 123-124 range).

Indian Charlie won that SA Derby with a 111 Beyer, equaling the stakes record.  He had run a 112 Beyer in his allowance win prior to that.  Indian Charlie would go on to run a solid 3rd in Louisville.  He was a special talent, one that both Baffert and Gary Stevens rank among their best(in terms of pure talent).

GunBow 09 Apr 2011 3:40 AM

Well said jon.. well said.

draynay 09 Apr 2011 4:14 AM

jayjay, I'm happy to know you're talking about the other Jon posting here and not me.  I don't know anything about any filly possibly running in the Derby or how she might do.....and don't see Mo being a Triple Crown Winner or an all-time great, as does jon; as if it's a foregone conclusion.  It would seem, however, that the Derby Gods are up to something what with all the competition dropping like flies.  Each day one reads that this or that contender has been injured and is out....paving the way for Mo????  Who knows?  

Jon 09 Apr 2011 8:13 AM

Joe Vann is on the "c" team of Team Pletcher...he was highly thought of last summer, but ran poorly, and had to be bought to 5 horse Laurel fields to improve..if he wins the Illinois Derby, the race should be labeled an optional claimer for next year

SaratogaDreamin 09 Apr 2011 8:29 AM

SA Derby- Bench Points, Mr Commons, Comma at the Top

Ashland- Wyomia, Draw In, Kathmanblu

Oaklawn Handicap- Winslow Homer, Misremembered, Win Willy

Hawthorn Derby- Lagoon of Diamonds, Zoebear, Joe Vann

Carter- Kensei, Sunrise Smarty, Calibrachoa

Comely- Hot Summer, Royal Sighting, R Holiday Mood

Bay Shore- Vengeful Wildcat, Justin Phillip, JJ's Lucky Train

Wood- Uncle Mo, Toby's Corner, Arthur's Tale

Las Cienegas- Unzip Me, U R All That I Am, La Nez

Arcadia- Blue Chagall, Caracortado, Liberian Freighter

Providencia- Cambina, Wave of Applause, So Belle.

Not sure I'm betting anything this week, but these are my picks.  Certainly not betting the Wood and Oaklawn Handicap.  Probably not the SA races as they do seem chalky.  We will see how I feel about the others.  I have no really strong feelings for longer shots except for the Ashland and I'm not sure Wyomia will go off at her ML price, but Draw It should be a decent price.  Good Luck all!

Footlick 09 Apr 2011 10:13 AM

Mo will lose today and reduce his followers to excuses. Then they will turn on Pletcher and Johnny V.

If it doesn't happen today it will on May 7.  

Anthony's Cross in the SA Yawner.

9/3,5,6,10 $20 exactas

3,5,6,10/9 $5  exactas

Ill. Derby: Don't care.

chalk hater 09 Apr 2011 10:39 AM

Rangulation,

Summer doesn't come in June down under. Even my pre-school grandaughter knows that. Where did you go to school?

Uncle Mo will not win the Ky. Derby. We lost our Triple Crown winner when Pre-Peg went down.  

no mo mo 09 Apr 2011 10:42 AM

Wide open SAD now that PP out.  Going for a price here and will leave out Silver Medallion.  Tri----Mr. Commons, Quail Hill, Anthony's Cross, Bench Points...Why not?

Scott's Cause 09 Apr 2011 11:06 AM

jon

I agree with you there! People who said that you need to be a AP Indy colt or a bernadini colt to win the Derby and you can't if your sire is Indian Charlie. I remember people saying how Elusive Quality was a miler, who sired milers...and Smarty Jones only lose the TC by 1 lenght right? Remember Bold Ruler anyone? He wasn't suppose to sired a Derby winner..and here came Secretariat (not trying to compare Secretariat and Mo here, just saying that pedigree isn't all)

Or the 'you need to be challenge at 200% before the derby to win, anyone remember Big Brown? He won his racse ssooo easily, wasn,t challenge at all..and guess what? He won the Derby real easy with #20 and would've have won the TC without his shoe problem in the Belmont

And also something a big weird, why are so many people are so focused on stats? That in X years, X horses won the Derby by making this or that. The starts also said that  rseting for 5 weeks before the Derby never gave a win to anyone in many decades, and that didn,t stop barbaro to win it. It was also said by the stats that it's nearly impossible to win the derby from stall #20...Big Brown did it

When you have a really special horse, stats or pedigree doesn't matter.

Johny 09 Apr 2011 11:07 AM

I'm on board with 'furlongs assessment the Wood...would not "no pun intended" exclude D.Wayne runner...he has been training lights out in '11, and would make a nice exotic ticket...enjoy the day, it's a great time of year...Sox/Yanks, Tiger in contention, Mo comin' to Jamaica...what's not to like

nickie 09 Apr 2011 11:12 AM

Jason,

With scratch of both Jaycito and Premier Pegasus from the SA Derby the race is ripe for an upset as those who have no assumed the favoritism are not outstanding. I had Indian Winter in my initial list and I think he is worth a shot. Why? A number of points he should be competitive colt. (a) He defeated Jaycito on his debut (b) Jaycito returned the favor in the Gl Delmar Futurity where Indian Winter finished 4th in a dead heat with Riveting Reason. He contested Gl Delmar Futurity off short rest (17 days) so he could be excused. (c) He was put away for 130 days and returned to make his first start on dirt where he won a6.5F race in 1:15.20. He closed to defeat City Cool a colt that was on the lead with The Factor in the San Vincent. (d) He was surprisingly sent to Turf Paradise for their 8.5F derby in which he finished 3rd. The runner up in the Turf Paradise came back to the win the Sunland Derby defeating a derby dozen horse Astrology. It was reported that he was ranked and fractious before the start. He only lost by 3L in a good time of 1:41 4/5.

His sire Indian Charlie won the 1998 SA Derby in a fast 1:47. His dam sire Dixieland Band is an elite classic broodmare sire. (Street Sense, Monarchos, Eight Bells) In his victory in the 6.5F and he did not appear to be a sprinter and I believe 9F should not be a problem. He runs well fresh and he has an extremely hot jockey. I will be taking no chances consequently I will be boxing Indian Winter, Anthony’s Cross, Midnight Interlude. Quail Hill, Offlee Wild Boys)

Coldfacts 09 Apr 2011 11:19 AM

With Premier Pegasus and THAS out and Jaycito now going in the Lexington, these injuries are messing up my RTTR stable.  Today I need to add Uncle MO, The Factor and ??? before noon.

Santa Anita Derby:

Ex box with Anthony's Cross, Silver Medallion and Comma to the Top.  Anthony's Cross to win.

Wood:

Uncle Mo in another walkover.  

With all the other injuries, UM needs to get just enough out of this to set him up for his TC run. Good Luck Mo!

Ashland Stakes:

Ex box: Kathmanblu, Dancinginherdreams, Delightful Mary.

Good Luck to all!

I feel me Derby Fever returning.  What do I do?

trackjack 09 Apr 2011 11:24 AM

With the way the two favorites withdrew from the SA Derby with injuries, the way everyone ducked Uncle Mo in the Wood, and the lackluster field in the Illinois Derby - I am thinking that today's two filly races - the Ashland and the Fantasy - will actually be a lot more fun to watch then the colt races! Hoping Arienza does well in the Fantasy, as I love her mother Azeri.

duchess 09 Apr 2011 1:57 PM

trackjack,

Add Yhe Factor, he's your Ark. and Ky. Derby winner.

the factor 09 Apr 2011 2:28 PM

Re: Air Support in the Transylvania.

My first reaction was 'how nice to see Ruffian's silks in the winners' circle.' I guess the Janneys don't run many horses here in the Bluegrass, else it wouldn't have had so much impact on me.

Pedigree Ann 09 Apr 2011 3:03 PM

Jayjay,

Here our my picks for this weekend.

AQU

Race 8: Bayshore Stakes would seem to be a wide open affair, but i'm going to go with a little tip I got from a good friend of mine who lives down in the Bayou. He's good friends with Benard Chatters, trainer of #6 Smoke it Right. Reason why i'm going for this one is b/c he tipped me off on an 8/1 shot at EVD trained by Maynard Chatters thursday night which I capitalized on. So far so good. Buddy quoting the trainer says he's a freak and this horse has never been tested and should be tough to beat. Should he win they will point for the Derby Trial. It goes against my handicapping methods b/c his numbers are a bit light compared to the others, but when you look at the rest of the field, there are no world beaters in here. Hoping he stays at that 6/1 m/l.

Race 9: The Carter looks to be Morning Line's race to lose. As much as I'd like to go against that chalk eating blogger that everyone knows about if you're a regular, the outside post is a huge advantage in this spot. Instead of battling for the lead, he can rate and pounce when called upon. Apriority is sharp and will need to dig deep to hold off the fave. Laysh Laysh Laysh and Kensei should round out the spoils. Dutrow horses for the super.

Race 10: Wood Memorial: Um...., uncle mo. Toby's Corner for the place. Seems to lose focus turning for home. Blinkers on will help.

May be a nice pick 3 play at AQU...?

Santa Anita: Race 2: 6/ 1,3 hammer tri. Pick was a good 2nd to MaClean's Music.

Race 3: Las Cienegas: Tanda/Unzip Me

Race 5: Deep down the hill MSW: Love the 1 here. Bellski was a beast down the hill. 5 year old horse has had his problems but is coming in to this race great and gets Rosario.

Race 6: If the #8 Blake gets early action, could be live

Race 7: Arcadia Handicap - Caracortado to Jeranimo. Hope Talamo lays the favorite closer today.

Race 8: First dude will finally pass his first condition

Race 9: Providencia - Cambina - So Bell - Bonita Star

Race 10: Santa Anita Derby: Comma to the Top is a bit off his best form, but I loved hearing that Peter Miller said they were going to the front with this one. And i'm sure no one wants to get hooked up early when graded earnings are essential. That being said, if Comma to the Top can get loose, he can get brave. This is his Derby.

Anthony's Cross get's a good stalking trip & Rosario from an outside post. will get first run on the closers.

Oaklawn:

Race 8: 1-3

Race 9: 7-8 box. best of the starters and intriguing firster with good works and 1st out trainer by Rockport Harbor

Oaklawn Handicap: Misremembered - It Happened Again

Good luck!

The Rock 09 Apr 2011 3:26 PM

Jon : Yes, I didn't realize there were two "jon"'s here.  Your post kind of put me down if indeed the Racing gods are paving the way for UM.  If he does win the TC or even the Derby, no one will ever know if he's really that good or there's no competition left.  I'm a little bummed that Jaycito is not running in the Derby, and I wish they had gone to the Wood instead, things may have been different and at least we would know if UM can actually beat a real top derby contender.  I'm not totally giving up on Jaycito making the Derby but given his earnings and needing to run in the Lexington just doesn't sit well with me as far as preparing him for the Derby.

I'm hoping the experimentation is done with Soldat, I say just let the horse tell the jockey how to run in the Derby.  If he wants the lead, let him or if he wants to sit and wait, that's fine too.  As long as he runs his race.  Dialed In will be tough in the Derby, I'm very close to predicting he will win the Derby but I want to see him healthy and actually make the gate, if he does, he's your 2011 Kentucky Derby winner and quite possibly the next TC winner - if he wins the KD, the preakness will be the tougher race of the last 2 legs, there'll be fresh horses gunning for him.

If UM doesn't win the derby, my gut feeling is that he'll be retired.

jayjay 09 Apr 2011 4:29 PM

Four of the last five Derby winners (Street Sense, Super Saver, Barbaro, and Big Brown) had ties to Gulfstream Park / Palm Meadows prior to the first Saturday in May. I hope that strikes true again for this year's Derby.

I was in one of the front rows at the Breeders Cup last October and Uncle Mo was absolutely beautiful. From the pictures that I have been able see of him this year and the replays on line of his Timely Writer as well as on the fan site, he is gorgeous.

Both Soldat and Stay Thirsty I hope will be given the chance. Both horses are better than they showed in the Florida Derby.

Dialed In is another I am not going to dismiss.

And of course as everyone mentioned anyone Borel rides should not be overlooked either.

Mucho Macho Man has one of the best feel good stories. Macho Uno (his sire) and Point Given were the two I rooted for from their generation.

I also love Azeri (never get tired of watching her race replays over and over where I can find them). Arienza should she come along at the right time is my Kentucky Oaks choice, for sure.

Also wishing A.P. Indy the best in his retirement from stud. It is hard to believe that he is at that stage in his life. It was a treat during for my first and only time in Kentucky (there will be more) to see A.P. Indy at Lane's End. He was one of my favorites from that dream trip.

Here's to hoping all the horses have safe trips and stay healthy.

ZJ 09 Apr 2011 4:30 PM

Uncle Mo

Duca

Toby's Corner

Ted from LA 09 Apr 2011 5:33 PM

Unbelievable win money on Uncle Mo--Bid-like....Santa Anita beautiful today, cool breeze/brilliant sunshine/good horses/San Gabriel Mountains/is there a better backdrop in all of sports?....Deacon SA Derby has, still, I think a few stakes winners and two, Mr Commons, Bench Points, who are real up and commers--Mr Commons is working faster than Zenyatta for Shirreffs--that's telling.....anywho--I'm here, my systems working/and I'm not, to quote Bukowski--God loves me!

Matthew W 09 Apr 2011 5:43 PM

Let the debate begin....

The Rock 09 Apr 2011 5:54 PM

Dray,

I didn't see the Wood.  Who won?

Ted from LA 09 Apr 2011 5:55 PM

What just happened? Uncle Mo takes third. This is a huge upset. How will this affect the kentucky derby now.

RJPPDP 09 Apr 2011 5:55 PM

DRAYNAY Said

"Will you people do me a favor.  All of you that are betting against Uncle Mo and are taking other horses for the win will you please state the amount you are betting so we know how much you are losing.  Picking any other horse for the win is money wasted"

BANNED FOR LIFE DRAYDRAY LOLOLOLOL

RULE #1 THEY RUN THE RACE FOR A REASON!!!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

3rd

Guess this race was a waste huh??

DRAYNAY BANNED FOR LIFE!!!!!

Johnny 09 Apr 2011 5:57 PM

Duddsville....is there anyone at Santa Anita who could step up?...

Matthew W 09 Apr 2011 5:57 PM

Brethren, Stay Thirsty and now Uncle Mo all ran like crap in their second start of the year.  

Brethren will win the Derby!  Bred for the distance.  

Mr. Walden was correct about Toby's Corner!  Bellamy Road!!!

trebloc 09 Apr 2011 6:00 PM

Can you say overrated? Uncle Slow had everything his own way and yet still couldn't beat a winner of a non-graded stakes and an allowance horse. Unless he has a lip abscess, he shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Secretariat. Way to go Draynay, you've jinxed yet another horse.

stevebiscuit 09 Apr 2011 6:05 PM

Man o man what a payoff at Keeneland!  Wow.

You're hometrack Jason, did you have anything in the 10th?  Hope so, not me. blech.

No Chalk 09 Apr 2011 6:08 PM

 Draynay, nobody is posting about all the money they lost betting against Mo.

To be fair, it was a tough fiel...wait, it wasn't. Well, the pace was pretty fas...wait, it wasn't.

Use your knowledge to contribute to the forum instead of repeatedly making pithy statements that aren't correct.

Jimmer out.

Jimmer 09 Apr 2011 6:23 PM

I TOLD YOU ALL MO WOULD LOSE TODAY!!!!!!!!  Overated and under bred. Now we don't have to hear anymore about how great he is.

chalk hater 09 Apr 2011 6:25 PM

That just changed everything.

In a matter of a few days, my Kentucky Derby top twenty fell apart.

First, I have to drop Premier Pegasus out completely. Then, I move Jaycito down because he's missing the Santa Anita Derby. Next, I remove To Honor and Serve. Now I have to add Joe Vann and Toby's Corner. Uncle Mo has to drop down a few notches. Arthur's Tale needs to go somewhere.

What a day of upsets! What's going to happen in the Santa Anita Derby? Perhaps Offlee Wild Boys will catch Midnight Interlude in the shadow of the wire. . . :)

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 09 Apr 2011 6:25 PM

Well...... I hope Uncle Mo comes out of the race ok.  Pretty meek.  

Footlick 09 Apr 2011 6:27 PM

I knew this horse was way overated. We lost our Triple Crown hope when Pre-Peg went down. Unca Schmoe will not win the Ky. Derby or Triple Crown. Summer doesn't come in June if Ya live down under. I'm right so often it's scary.

no mo mo 09 Apr 2011 6:28 PM

Will you people do me a favor.  All of you that are betting against Uncle Mo and are taking other horses for the win will you please state the amount you are betting so we know how much you are losing.  Picking any other horse for the win is money wasted.

draynay 08 Apr 2011 5:38 PM

Wrong again draynay!! Betting on any horse draynay picks is wasted money!! You have been so wrong about this horse it's funny. Time to find another bandwagon to jump on.

jimmy redneck 09 Apr 2011 6:33 PM

I am ready to go to bed, pull the covers over my head, and stay there until next racing season. What the heck happened? To those who picked Toby's Corner, kudos to you. You got that one right. Jason, you noted yourself that he was the one who could give Mo a run for his money. I am terribly disappointed. Unless we find out Uncle Mo had a mouth abscess like Secretariat, we can kiss the Triple Crown goodbye for one more year. There is no one else out there who has the goods imo. Where is a certain Super Mare when we need her??????? To Mike Repole, I am sorry. I can imagine you are pretty disappointed.

Paula Higgins 09 Apr 2011 6:40 PM

Uncle Not

Looks like The Factor has slid into the favorite's spot, pending the Arkansas Derby. If The Factor pulls an 'Uncle Mo', then it looks like a wide-open Derby.

Rinzler 09 Apr 2011 6:40 PM

Caracortado just gave nothing/ran off the board--Uncle Mo hung like a Van Gogh, is there anyone who'll step up today?....Will Mr Commons step up?...He's working better than Zenyatta--will he be the one to pull things through for the sport today?...This year's Kentucky Derby looks like one of the weakest if not the weakest of my 40 plus years in the sport....

Matthew W 09 Apr 2011 6:43 PM

Would anybody be surprised if Uncle Mo is off the DERBY trail?

Johnny 09 Apr 2011 6:50 PM

So...Uncle Mo.  I seriously thought this was an easy race for him but like I said, foundation foundation foundation.  The TW didn't do much anything to help this horse.  I think Mike and Todd were putting their money on the fact that UM may be a special horse but I never saw him as anything special.  I posted before the field he beat in the BC was not a very tough field (the fact that Jaycito is the only one left from that bunch still in contention for the derby shows the quality of that field).

Anyway, I want to say that this got UM battle tested but I watched the race over and over again and didn't see him having any kind of separation.  He was pulling away from a 60-1 horse but when the experienced horses came running, he didn't have any answer.  If you didn't pay attention, watch the race and see what kind of race Toby had, with that kind of trouble, and pull away from what most says is a "superhorse"...Toby must be a god horse.  We know he's not though so for those of you who crowned UM as the next triple crown winner, let's see the excuses (Draynay, Ranagulzion, jon)...LOL

jayjay 09 Apr 2011 7:03 PM

draynay,

Your handicapping record just keeps getting worse. Now that Mo has been whipped after setting slow fractions who are you going to bash? I'm taking my $50 2-4 exacta from the Wood to celebrate, I'll be laughing at you and anyone else who thinks ANY horse is unbeatable.

mr pibb 09 Apr 2011 7:05 PM

What a day of upsets! Uncle Mo loses, Kathmanblu loses, Misremembered loses and, most shocking of all - First Dude actually WINS a race!

merlinmerry 09 Apr 2011 7:11 PM

wow, deflating - I couldnt even stay and watch the SA Derby.  Please lets not bother with excuses. It iswhat it is and in fact has been actually.

I'll tell you how it looked to me. LACK of preparation and Johnny V not just letting him run out and take some ground and basicly GIVING strong closers the opportunity to reel the UNDER conditioned Mo in.

When I first saw Mo on the big screens I said "dear god hes lost 100 lbs" then at the gate I said Oh no Quality road All over again.  Then he loaded but I knew it and said out loud his head is not in the game.  

then that whole "run slow with me, please?" Was NOT a good tactic. (I said LOUD Im not the only one shouting now mind you) "what the hell are you doing??! Johnny thats too bunched up!"  

and what then? a hand ride when he should have been on him teaching him to hold off his foes and earn the win... it didnt even look like a good losing prep effort to tell the truth.

JV thought he had more horse under him and When Mo came flat it must have surprized him so much he didnt even seem to react...

You cant teach the "race day" part of what colts need to know without more starts and more actual races.  

It just goes to show you how HARD it is to win and keep winning Grade 1s back to back no matter what kind of competition (stiff or apparently flimsy) shows up.  

Bring me some more Dialed In, please. PROPS by the way to Zito for Morning Line's awesome performance - he looked super fit and ready today and Mr Z is ON his game Big time.

Zen's Auntie 09 Apr 2011 7:11 PM

According to Pletcher, Uncle Mo grabbed a quarter when he left the gate.  Pletcher said that he wasn't using it as an excuse but, it could have had an affect on Mo's race

merlinmerry 09 Apr 2011 7:18 PM

Unbelieveable...almost. Better to eat crow now than after the Derby. That light training schedule for Uncle Mo has bitten Todd Pletcher in the butt on Repole's home turf. The big questions: Will he be ready in four weeks and will he see out ten furlongs?

As of now Dialed In looks to be a safer proposition although "Mo" could still pull off a Secretariat-like "Wood no good Louisville kill" romp at Churchill Downs.  

Ranagulzion 09 Apr 2011 7:47 PM

Too bad Mo got beat in his walkover.  That's why they wait until the race is actually won before giving out the trophies.

William 09 Apr 2011 7:48 PM

Anyway I have a hunch Uncle Mo will not be running in the Derby.

Indian Charlie's, Mike Repole didn't like them but this one got him a 2 year old champion Eclipse and that's probably the best he'll do.

This horse came up short. IC isn't ideal breeding for a Derby horse.

It seems to be wide open for the Derby.  It's tough when certain people start hyping a horse and they are so unlikeable that it turns people against the horse.

Most horseplayers have a lot of prejudices about horses trainers and jockeys to begin with.

I really had doubts about this colts ability to get the distance and whether he had enough work in him.  He was tested in this race even though he seemed to be going easy he got tired out and was backing up badly.

I just have a hunch the Derby winner will come out of the Arkansas Derby. That may or may not be The Factor. May be a complete shocker more than today for some people but I haven't been excited with the easy route they took with Mo so far.  The rest of the two year olds got better but I dont think he did.

No Chalk 09 Apr 2011 8:34 PM

I cringed every time I heard the trainer begin his sentences with "well on paper" no one came close to him "no one's come lose to.."

I have never heard any of the other top trainers say that in reference to their stand outs.

With the exception of a few blurbs here foot and there and oh, , Jaycito's hoof....Baffert has been unusually quiet.

I wonder what he's up to?

Meydan Rocks! 09 Apr 2011 8:34 PM

He grabbed a quarter but it didn't bother him until the middle of the stretch?

I think it was more that the Lukas horse pressured him and ran with him and so did another horse not sure who  and he just dont want to go more than 1 1/16 or maybe 1 1/8.

Ragnag seriously a comparison of Mo to Secretariat was dumb before this race no way was that race can be compared to the Big Reds Wood and Mo hiself dang sure can't.

Talk is cheap and some people are big talkers but thats why they still run the races.

No Chalk 09 Apr 2011 8:40 PM

This draynay character doesn't even know which end the oats go into...ignore him an he'll go somewhere else.

Seattle Slew 09 Apr 2011 8:41 PM

Uncle Mo looking good in the Wood, cantering home by 10 lengths and pulling a bus (unless Duca or "Norman" turns out to be something special, capable of finishing within 5 lengths of the champ).  This is money for jam. A soup. A walk in the park. A cakewalk. An afternoon stroll. An armchair-ride for Johnny V.  What mo can I tell you No Mo Mo?  

Ranagulzion 08 Apr 2011 3:18 PM

Mo is the real deal. I know people keep focusing on his pedigree, but, he has already outperformed his sire as a runner. As the colts drop away, there will be no colt or filly left to challenge Mo in the Derby. He will win that by default. jon 08 Apr 2011 10:58 PM

I can only hope Uncle Mo stays healthy because I believe as I have been saying for several months that not only will he win the Kentucky Derby, but the Triple Crown as well. He wins by daylight in the Wood Memorial..........

Deacon 09 Apr 2011 1:05 AM

Will you people do me a favor.  All of you that are betting against Uncle Mo and are taking other horses for the win will you please state the amount you are betting so we know how much you are losing.  Picking any other horse for the win is money wasted.

draynay 08 Apr 2011 5:38 PM

I posted this early this year.

Mickey 1957:

Comma To The Top was not meant to be a pick to win, just a mention that that the horse was a four name.

The above horse, along with Uncle Mo, Boys At Tosconova, JP's Gusto, Gourmet Dinner, will not be on my list for the win the 1st Saturday in May. (JMO).                                          

tcc 12 Jan 2011 8:59 PM

tcc 09 Apr 2011 8:44 PM

Wow, I knew the Draynay curse was bad, but I never thought he could bring down a horse like Mo. Wow.

jaybird 09 Apr 2011 8:58 PM

Mo had a quarter and everybody is now saying that they knew it would happen? How could you know this week Mo was going to grabbed a quarter??

Even if it look small according to the early repport it still had to affect him in any way, make him lose his focus at least

Johny 09 Apr 2011 9:00 PM

PLETCHER will and should take the heat on this...

“He grabbed a quarter (left front) leaving the gate," Pletcher said after the Wood. "It didn’t help, but I’m not using that as an excuse. After that, he was kind of hounded early on. The fractions were reasonable. It was his first time going a mile and an eighth, first time over the Aqueduct surface. I was a little concerned turning for home at the three-sixteenths pole when he didn’t really kick clear. I thought then that we were going to be in for a fight. You could see the last 50 to 60 yards he was tired."

State 09 Apr 2011 9:03 PM

Jason : You still think Misremembered is "our" 2011 Classic winner ?

Point Given : Nice pick on Midnight Interlude, hopefully you put some money on him.

I think we only have one prep race left right ? The Arkansas Derby.  I'm comfortable saying that no horse will come out of the Bluegrass that will make an impact to the Derby.  I'm sure Draynay will agree as these are poly horses hahaha just wanted to see how he'll respond since he's so high on Santiva LOL.  Santiva and Brethren are his last two hopes lol.

jayjay 09 Apr 2011 9:03 PM

Uncle Mo simply ran out of gas.  He was short.  Even if he got his much needed seasoning, I have huge doubts that he can get 10F at the Derby.  

If the Factor can wire the field next week with the confidence he can get 10F at CD, he will be a lukewarm favorite for the Derby.  If he can't stretch his speed, we're looking at some mighty high odds on a lot of good horses for some juicy Derby exotics.

Toby's Corner and Dialed In are two stone cold closers who should get a good pace at CD.  Midnight Interlude, a NW1X, upsets the SA Derby.  He's got a shot at CD.

At this point "wide open Derby" is an understatement.  Can't wait.

trackjack 09 Apr 2011 9:07 PM

Bloodhorse apr 9

I feel terrible for Uncle Mo and Mike.  It seems to me that we have another case of a trainer under-racing a horse into oblivion.  Uncle Mo was obviously short, but even at that, there can be no excuse for Mo against a field that collectively hasn't really accomplished much to this point.   It’s just further proof that young horses develop and improve and-or regress by the week.

Todd's Derby dream is on the verge of collapse now Too.  He has three top Derby prospects in Brethren, Stay Thirsty and Mo and every one of them is going into the Derby (if they go into the derby) or into their next race off a downer performance.  

At least now that the Wood is over WE WON’T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE ANNOYING TWINS AGAIN……right Billy and Draynay?

LAZMANNICK 09 Apr 2011 9:08 PM

Oh Draynay, come out, come out wherever you are!

stevebiscuit 09 Apr 2011 9:08 PM

Way to go Todd Pletcher. Thank you for taking a spectacular talent and turning him into a miler. Not to say that is not what he ultimately will become (based on breeding), but how in the world do you expect a horse with potential distance limitations to step up from a mile paid workout into a 1 1/8 mile race prepared to compete? Does TP believe horses train in their sleep? It is crazy to me the way horses are handled nowadays. The kid gloves approach does not work, and just look at TP's abysmal Kentucky Derby record. It is too bad, but Mo was a tired horse in the stretch, and I can't see him building his conditioning to not only be able to handle 1 1/8 miles but 1 1/4 miles within a month. Not likely. Too bad. But on a side note, why are there people on this blog that are happy Mo lost? Don't we all want to see the next great horse and triple crown winner? Strange....

Jimmy 09 Apr 2011 9:09 PM

This blog is actually getting to be fun. Let's not be too hard on Draynay and all those who were ready to hand the triple crown to Uncle Mo on the basis of three races. All these comparisons to Secretariat may still be valid. I mean, after all MO just finished third in the Wood Memorial, just like Secretariat!  

Old Timer 09 Apr 2011 9:14 PM

Well, he grabbed a quarter and I believe those that think he was underprepared for this season are right. If they plan to run him in the Derby they better step up his training. I still think he is a very good horse. Will be interested to see how The Factor runs next.

Paula Higgins 09 Apr 2011 9:15 PM

Ranagulzion

It's not a case of eating crow.  You don't train the horse, but it is really, really sad.

There is no excuse for Uncle Mo losing other than he was short. But the thing is, how far will he be fit to run if he goes in the Derby……9F? He did not look today like a horse that will win at 10F against 19 others in a month’s time. I know Secretariat lost the Wood before the Derby, but that was under a completely different set of circumstances. There was no Sham in this race and Mo wasn’t coming off a 1.33.2 Gotham win like Secretariat was or Bay Shore win as late at 35 days before Wood either. The way Pletcher is handling Uncle Mo has to be questioned. This horse has a lot going against him when it comes to getting 9F in the first week in May. All of Pletcher’s three year olds do.  Is it any coincidence that Brethren lost the Tampa Bay Derby as a huge favorite with a reformed claimer finishing in front of him. Is it any coincidence that Stay Thirsty went in the Florida Derby and didn’t run a lick?  I personally hope Mo gets it together.  No gloating from me, but it sure is a shame with all the TC hype and now it looks like it's down the drain, at least from Mo.

LAZMANNICK 09 Apr 2011 9:15 PM

Take nothing away from Toby's Corner who ran his heart out. A deserving winner. I couldn't be happier for Motion and Toby's connections. And it is neat that Bellamy Road's son took the Wood. I hope Mo comes out of the race okay and live to fight another day.

Should he have enough earnings, I hope Arthur's Tale's connections consider him for the Derby.

The Santa Anita Derby was definitely any one's race without Premier Pegasus and Jaycito. Midnight Interlude ran hard. His sire War Chant liked Santa Anita as well.

ZJ 09 Apr 2011 9:16 PM

Well, I believe that Mo is a good colt, but maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't run in the Derby? I remember watching the Timely Writer, as compared to earlier races, and he didn't sprint away, as he had last fall. I also wondered, though I never voiced it, why Pletcher was avoiding a tougher race.

Mo grabbed a quarter, but...he was tiring, not firing, as he did last year. I suppose hyperbole was the rage with Mo, but maybe some of us need to see him as he is, rather than as we want him to be.

Even though I disagree with the pedigree theory for horses that the dam/sire are the sole influence on the ability of a colt to go a certain distance, Mo clearly was tired today. If he was tired at 1 1/8 today, he may finish off the board if he goes further, and risk injury.

Yes, Secretariat finished third in the Wood, and Spectacular Bid was 3rd in the Belmont, but they had excuses that had nothing to do with distance limitations. I wondered, too, about Mo's chances today, after rewatching the Timely Writer.

At this stage, I'd hate to see him go 1 1/4 if he can't. He may be a good miler, or slightly over that. I suppose the Derby is wide open now, barring a sudden Mo resurgence. I would like to see R Heat Lightning in the Derby, maybe a better place for her than the Oaks. If anyone knows her connections, see what happens.

jon 09 Apr 2011 9:18 PM

Jason,

Have you read jon's 10:58 pm post on April 8? I am one that thinks his post should be erased. Week after week this guy enjoys the thought of horses getting injured. If this is not bad for horse racing, then I don't know what is.

jon,

Premier Pegasus is a beautiful horse that is bound to race again. His day to day trainer watched him take a bad step in training. He did not injure himself in the stretch of the San Felipe where you claimm he was tiring. A tiring horse was Uncle Mo struggling to keep up in the Wood today. Mo ran like a turtle, accept your little pony as the above average horse that he is. Your suggestion of entering R Heat Lightning is a sure way to injure her. You are one of the most heartless bloggers around. How dare you keep celebrating with the thoughts of other horses being injured. Your comments are deserving of a good 3 Stooges bonk in the eye!

Johnny,

I am with you, I would safely say that Uncle Mo is off the KY Derby trail. I talked with a good source at Aqueduct, he told me that Uncle Mo lost a shoe early in the race. The same foot where he was protecting a quarter crack.

Draynay, jon, and Ranagulzion,

Where is your spin control now? When will you donkeys learn to stop comparing horse to the immortal Secretariat? Mo needs to regroup and point towards the King's Bishop. At least Eskendereay actually beat a few good horses before he was retired. Uncle Mo has beaten nothing of quality in his entire career!

Forbidden Apple 09 Apr 2011 9:23 PM

Hard not to be underwhelmed by what appeared to be a considerably better group of three-year-olds when the year began.

Even as late as mid-February, Mo looked like a freak and To Honor and Serve and Dialed In looked like stars. There were tens more untested horses who were being hyped at that point.

Other than The Factor, whose ability to get the Derby distance is highly suspect, very few of those hyped horses have panned out as far as the Derby Trail goes. Dialed In has looked great, but people are complaining about the slow times. Premier Pegasus is gone. To Honor and Serve offered two duds and is now gone. We have garbage entrants like Twice the Appeal, Animal Kingdom, and Pants on Fire (what the hell kind of name is that?), who are primed to either finish up the track or pull a Mine That Bird.

If I sound frustrated, it's because I am. I was really looking forward to this crop, and now it appears that serious Derby contenders are down to Santiva (no one else in the Blue Grass has run well enough on dirt to merit consideration, no matter what they do at Keeneland) and the Arkansas Derby runners. Please, Elite Alex? Please, Alternation? Can we get a horse with a good pedigree and name worthy of being on Derby glasses (sorry, but Caleb's Posse doesn't fit that mold)? The Triple Crown is difficult enough to hope for, but with all of these mediocre space-fillers in the gate on May 7, I fear that hope may be done before the Derby even goes off.

Unlike Draynay under ANY circumstances, I really, really I hope am wrong.

Jimmer out.

Jimmer 09 Apr 2011 9:24 PM

Folks,

This wasn't a shocker.  Many on this blog as well as other blogs saw this possibility and also questioned his three year old campaign.

If fact, he tired just like his sire, Indian Charlie, did in the Kentucky Derby.

Finally, I predict Uncle Mo will not run in the Derby.

John 09 Apr 2011 9:26 PM

DRAYNAY-

Guess Uncle MO is just like Secretariat UNCLE MO lost the WOOD as well. UNLKE YOU PREDICTED! Wow you are STRONG my man. You could stop a freight train! Dude maybe you should now act like you have class and stop bashing people on here for there picks. At least when others lose on here thier horses are not 1-9!!!

furlongs 09 Apr 2011 9:27 PM

For the record, I am high on Dialed In, and didn't mean to discredit him. My point is that I wish we could go into the Derby with several entrants having the hype that Dialed In will likely garner. Yes, he needs a good trip, yes, his FLA Derby was slow, but if this guy can keep turning it on and thrilling fans with that come-from-behind style, I'm all for it. Can you imagine a Belmont where Zito was primed to win the Triple Crown with a closer, and everyone knew Dialed In would make a run in that stretch? We can only hope...except Draynay, who is totally okay with occasionally (a very loose interpretation of the word) being right at the sport's expense.

Jimmer out.

Jimmer 09 Apr 2011 9:31 PM

Four horses that raced in Grade 1 stakes today. These horses from or thru the Indian Charlie or his sire line.

Comma To The Top finished 2ND.

Anthony's Cross finished 5TH

Indian Winter finished 6TH

Uncle Mo finshed 3RD.

Four staters, no winners!!!

tcc 09 Apr 2011 9:46 PM

In defense of Dray, he's a great guy and horse racing fan.  Didn't Secretariat win the Triple Crown after getting 3rd in The Wood?  Wood Jerry.  Wood.

Ted from LA is disappointed nobody LOLed at his Abe Vigota post.  Ted from LA did.  Where in the world is Single in LA or mz or Paula Higgins or Dr. Drunkinbum?

Ted from LA 09 Apr 2011 9:48 PM

Uncle mo's stablemate, Stay Thirsty wins the Gotham, Toby's Corner, finishes 3RD, then finishes 7TH in the Florida Derby, now Toby's Corner comes back to win the Wood, and Uncle Mo finishes 3RD.

tcc 09 Apr 2011 9:55 PM

Nice picks draynay. Even with all the defections your Silver Medallion bombed. Best of all your "unbeatsble" "he's 10 lengths better than any" got whipped!! Worst news of the weekend, Premier Pegasus out. That was going to be the Derby winner.

slyder 09 Apr 2011 10:06 PM

UM may have had an excuse, ala Secretariat with the tooth issue (?), but I doubt it.  Pletcher would have known.  He was all over the horse every minute 0f every day.  Mo either was not at all prepared or, more likely, he simply didn't train on as a three-year old.  It happens.  He is magnificant looking; I'll give him that.  He was the best looking horse in the Wood, but...not the best..not by a long shot.  He looked completely out of place even in that, essentially, very weak field as they rounded the last turn.  And I'm happy we can put to bed the notion that he may be "the next Seattle Slew."  I got a bit weary of that comparison too.  

Jon 09 Apr 2011 10:20 PM

Yes all those guys blowing smoke for the last month will lay low for awhile except the ones who are going to use the grabbing a quarter as a excuse.

It was no excuse and like Pletcher said he got hounded early, that was the Lukas horse. Mo got some pressure and he folded like a napkin.

1 to 9 odds Pletcher has some excuse not to run him in the Derby.

No Chalk 09 Apr 2011 10:31 PM

Once again, California shows its superiority!

stevebiscuit 09 Apr 2011 10:54 PM

The curse of the Wood and now we can add the curse of the Santa Anita Derby as well!  Yes the Wood pretty much looked like Indian Charlie's Kentucky Derby.  Can't see Mo getting an additional 1/8th the first saturday in May.  

All eyes on Victory Gallop's kin in the Lexington.  

Householder 09 Apr 2011 10:54 PM

I've heard of bandwagon jumping but after the comments Ive seen tonight, both by bloggers and turf writers, this takes the term to a new level. That is, from the people that liked Mo. Those that didn't before, certainly have reason to gloat. On to Churchill Downs we go...

Jason Shandler 09 Apr 2011 10:55 PM

Uncle Mo will win his next 4 races and will be our next Triple Crown winner.

Draynay 01 Apr 2011 5:05 PM

The clock tells you all you need to know.  Uncle Mo is 10 lengths faster than any other horse.  He is 4 races from greatness and there is nothing anyone can do but watch and enjoy the best of our time.

Draynay 05 Apr 2011 12:26 PM

By calling some bloggers Rookies and you must be new to handicapping or this sport this makes you look like a rookie!!

tcc 09 Apr 2011 10:57 PM

TCC.  Yes the best Indian Charlie finisher isn't on the Derby trail.  I thought Comma to the Top ran a very good race. That's where my money went. 1 1/8th is a little too far.  For a split second I thought I had a winner.

Householder 09 Apr 2011 10:58 PM

Can we stop talking about Uncle Mo now?

DJ 09 Apr 2011 11:01 PM

I'm certainly not gloating one way or another.  I feel extremely bad for Mr. Repole and for Uncle Mo.  Of course, Mo can put all this to rest by going out and winning the Derby.  If not, at least she was a champion for awhile.

What I would really like is for Draynay and Billy's Empire to post and give us their opinions of what happened.

LAZMANNICK 09 Apr 2011 11:03 PM

Jason I think most everybody who didn't like Mo is saying it again.

My name tells it all I just don't like chalk. no mo mo and a few others were pretty sure of themself and not liking the colt and his light schedule and late start. Even some people who like Pletcher were kind of wondering about it back some time past.

It sure seems to me that some of these guys like Draynay and some others are spineless. Theyd be on here rubbing everybodys nose in it for sure. Crowning this horse the next triple crown winner after one race as a 3 year old was dumb.

I know you are disappointed because you seem to be pretty friendly like with Pletcher and Repole and I am sure it was a blow and huge disappointment to them.

No Chalk 09 Apr 2011 11:10 PM

Jon

Why are you saying that Pletcher would have know that Mo was going to get hurt at the start of the Wood?

Anyway it's not like Mo finished last 40 lenghts behind. I think we need to see if he rebound in the Derby. One bad performance, the first bad one in his career and everybody is already off the wagon? Didn,t R heat Lightning had a bad day in her first stake race of the year too, before going to 2 big performances? Didn't Point Given had a bad day in his derby? Or Secretariat in his Wood?  I'm thinking the people screaming ''I KNEW IT!!!'' are the same people who said that before the Breeders' Cup and before every single race, who were waiting for one bad day to try to look like genius

If Mo can,t rebound and tired badly in the Derby, ok, fine, he wasn't what he looked, but now he had a good reason to get bother, to lose focus, and that was his only day wrong move so far

Johny 09 Apr 2011 11:10 PM

Householder:

Looks like we will have to see if the Arkansas Derby changes the Kentucky Derby picture any more, with all the injuries that knocked horses off the trail, who knows?  

tcc 09 Apr 2011 11:20 PM

I hope Arthur's Tale makes it into the Derby. He was very wide and ran a big race - he should love CD.

Keep an eye on Buffum down the line; I know he only finished 4th, but he had a nightmare trip after having several of his runs blocked.

Betsy 09 Apr 2011 11:26 PM

Mike Repole look terribly depressed after the race.  It's too bad.

What's not to like about Mr. Repole after he went way out of his way to publicly push for Zenyatta as 2010 HOY.

John 09 Apr 2011 11:44 PM

Listen, I wasn't ready to give Mo the Derby let alone the Triple Crown, but I take no joy in seeing him get beat.

The SA Derby was a fitting end to a rather underwhelming day.  Midnight Interlude is a nice looking colt, and he has Baffert in the corner, but it's hard to see him going from the maiden ranks in late March to a win at Churchill.

Comma ran well like I hoped and thought.  He clearly enjoyed getting to set a reasonable pace, and then got brave in the stretch, even though he was again drifitng out.  Visually, it made for a rather unsightly stretch run(nad he likely would have been dq'd had he crossed the wire first), but the final eighth of 12 and 3 was decent(and faster than the closing fractions of the Wood and Illinois Derby).  The final time of the SA Derby, 148 and 3, actually compares favorably to First Dude's time two races earlier at 8.5 furlongs, 142 and 2.

It will be interesting to see if Peter Miller, trainer of Comma to the Top, can do what few humans can, and resist the lure of the Derby.  Comma has more than enough earnings, and he just did run 2nd by a nose in the West's premier prep.  I, for one, hopes he sticks to his guns because I really respect Comma and think the Derby could set him back.

If Comma doesn't go to Louisville, the SA Derby may produce only one runner, winner Midnight Interlude, for the Kentucky Derby.  Without PrePeg and Jaycito, the SA Derby didn't look strong on paper, and no one really stepped up.  Fitting for what I think has been a disappointng meet.

On the undercard, Unzip Me lost for the first time in her last 10 races against females because she had to spot the winner 12 lbs and her jockey, Rafael Bejarano, gave her a passive ride.  I do give Doug O'Neil credit for running them like they used to in bringing Separate Forest back in a week and give P Val credit for taking the race to Raffy.

Arcadia: I don't understand why Caracortado was shorter than even money, but Talamo gave him another atrocious ride.  Of the 5 worst rides I've seen the last year, Talamo owns 3.  Liberian Freighter, who maybe should have been scratched for refusing to go near the starting gate for about 5 minutes, is now a MULTIPLE graded stakes winner. ugh

Providencia:

Given how few horses have won multiple stakes this meet, Cambina may warrant a look for Horse of the Meet.  The Providencia was the 3rd stakes win of the season for the pint-sized filly with alot of heart.

GunBow 09 Apr 2011 11:47 PM

Nah, we don't need to hear what draynay thinks, Lazmannick. WE ALREADY KNOW. It's obvious what happened today; Mo actually won the Wood, as draynay predicted........it's all the rest of us who are deluded and vision impaired. We clearly saw another race! Mo is a nice colt, but he's not the reincarnation of Pegasus or Bucephalus or Secretariat; he's a nice colt who did NOT win the Wood, no matter WHAT draynay will claim.............

Cheers and safe trips, and I LOVE how Win Willy ran today!!

needler in Virginia 09 Apr 2011 11:50 PM

I have to make a correction, I didn't mean to say Toby's Corner is not a good horse.  I meant that he's not likely to win the Derby.  He's actually on my RTTR stable and on all 3 stables as he was my pick to beat UM in the Wood way back since he was the only one taking the Wood path with UM.

Laz : You know Draynay will blame anyone and anything, backed up by his buddy Billy.  I never hated nor disliked UM but even before the TW, people keeps hyping him as a super horse.  All along I've said let's wait to see how he does in his 3 yr old year.  His first race was a paid workout, people acted like it was a tough race because he finished in :11.   The horse never got tested prior to the Wood and the jons, draynays and ranagulzions were all over him like he's the 2nd coming of Secretariat.  I have to give credit to Rana, at least he started to recognize the fact that this horse wasn't really a lock in the derby.   jon on the other hand, calls people stupid, berates trainers without hesitation. Now he posts something that most have been saying like he knew all along.   And then, you have the "rookie", who talks smack like he knows anything.  He bases everything on UM's odds, now he won't be posting for awhile until he finds another horse to tout.  Watch him talk garbage about Todd now.

As I've said, UM did get tested in this race.  He was all out trying to get away from that 60-1 horse but he wasn't the same 2 yr old champion that pulled away pretty much in hand from better horses than that 60-1 horse.  When Toby came running, UM looked like he was on a treadmill.  This horse will be better as the year goes on but I don't see him competing in classic distance races.  Todd should look at BC mile as the goal this year instead.  I don't think he should be retired, just be realistic about the horse.

Jason : What do you think of Jaycito's plan ?  Doable ?  He needs earnings, and lexington is just too close to the Derby.  I still have him as my 2nd choice to Dialed In.  The other horse that's now in my radar and anxiously waiting for the AK Derby is your gut longshot, Nehro.  I think he will be much improved after his last race.  I expect him to again hit the board or even win the race.  I think TF will tire in the AK derby.

jayjay 09 Apr 2011 11:52 PM

Draynay It`s time for an equipment change Blinkers off and Muzzle On.The last two years the "Greatest of all time(Quality Road,Uncle Mo)"have turned out to be good but not great.Racing needs people like you to give non believers a better payout

BigBadAndMean 09 Apr 2011 11:59 PM

“Of course, almost every horse that has run so far, no matter how impressive he’s looked, is going to avoid the Repole roadblock that is already being set up at Tampa Bay Downs (in the grade II Tampa Bay Derby) and Aqueduct (in the grade I Wood Memorial)”

I know you are a generous man and I need your help as it appears there is something that I am seriously missing with regards to Uncle Mo. The connections of every impressive horse will make every effort to avoid Uncle Mo prior to the derby. The first time I read similar statements, I considered them then to be over the top speculation and I consider the above comments likewise. What has Uncle Mo done to merit this speculated avoidance?  Did he record new track records is each of his three victories? Were there reported adverse physical problems suffered by those he defeated? Has it been discovered that he has an oversized heart and consequently enjoys a greater supply oxygenated blood? What exactly has he done that has not been achieved and superseded in the past?

Street Sense destroyed his BCJ competition gearing down in a far more impressive performance than that of Uncle Mo. I do not recall anyone speculating that he would be avoided because he was some sort of thoroughbred monster. It was unlikely that those he defeated in the BCJ would have made up the deficit in the six months leading up to the derby. In fact, none did but new competition emerged i.e., Hard Spun, Any Given Saturday and Curlin. Ironically, Street Sense first start as a 3YO was in the Tampa Bay Derby and in spite of his impressive BCJ victory, he won by a mere nose. He subsequently won the derby by 21/2L a far cry from his 13L victory in the BCJ.

Secretariat was voted HOY as a 2YO. Were trainers running to the mountains with their impressive 3YOs giving him walkovers in his derby preps? If the records are correct the thoroughbred monster known as Secretariat came third in the Wood.

I refuse to believe that experience trainer like Mott, Zito etc., were going to enter their impressive horses in the Tampa Bay Derby & Wood but changed their plans when they discovered that Mo would be in town. How would they explain to the owners of $400k or $500K colts that they are afraid to run against another horse? I am of the opinion that trainer should be confident in their abilities to prepare horses to win in spite of the competition. The great horses of the past were never avoided, I see no reason for the speculation that Uncle Mo will be.

In light of the above, what exactly am I missing with this colt?

NB: The connections of Uncle Mo by choosing the Tampa Bay Derby/Wood route have left some quality competition at Gulfstream and in fact have chosen the path of least competition

Coldfacts 10 Apr 2011 12:15 AM

jayjay

Maybe Jaycito will go in the Preakness and Midnight Interlude in the Derby, and depending on how The Factor goes, perhaps the Derby or the Preakness might be on his schedule.  I just don't see The Factor winning the Derby, but who knows, a lot of people have been wrong about a lot of horses so far this year.

LAZMANNICK 10 Apr 2011 12:19 AM

I LOVE MO! still do.

I Just wish he was fitter for this race is all - he lacks endurance and bottom and looks like he is gotten gangly on them - look at the difference in his croup - he has LOST muscle he no longer has that deep crease.  

Im not sure what happened when he grabbed a front quarter - twisted shoe? ripped off? what? certainly that makes a difference but its the lack of starts and training that I find fault with NOT uncle Mo the horse.  I hope he can be brought back to his best form before the Derby.  

I really didnt care for the TP comment on how this will help up his ML odds for betting ... what? he cant have meant to come off like that could he?

Zen's Auntie 10 Apr 2011 12:20 AM

The Sport of racing lost more than Mo did today.  We needed his Stardom and all the positive attention surrounding him.  Which is not to say that he can't come back and live up to all the hopes and expectations of his connections and supporters.  

But let's not hear that Toby's Corner doesn't "belong" in the KD.  He earned his place in the gate and is a very talented colt.  Like others that are being dissed.  So, maybe they're not the Futures picks - which is all hype to get the money early.

We all know the path to the Roses is fraught with peril.  Too many of the early favorites can't make it there, through injuries or simply being short on prep-race day and/or lack of graded earnings.  The rules are what they are, like them or not.

Best wishes to Mo and connections.  Be safe, live long, prosper.

sherpa 10 Apr 2011 12:24 AM

And then, you have the "rookie", who talks smack like he knows anything.  He bases everything on UM's odds, now he won't be posting for awhile until he finds another horse to tout.  Watch him talk garbage about Todd now.

jayjay 09 Apr 2011 11:52 PM

Jayjay, you must have not have remembered, he has his backup plan, the horse Calvin Borel is riding. If he can't handicap a horse, he therefore can say that he can handicap a jockey.

tcc 10 Apr 2011 12:30 AM

I am in shock on what happened today in the three derby preps. Is there a true number one horse in the group. I can find faults with every single horse. So can I truly throw put Uncle Mo, not really. I understand he had a terrible race but lets see the other horses in the top 5.

Dialed In: a closer that came in a 1:50 and closed to a 39 pace. Not impressive.

The Factor: Front runner but most everyone is questioning distance issues

Jaycito: is the lexington enough foundation to get him ready for the derby

Uncle Mo: Was tired after a 1 1/16

Top 2: in each race

Spiral: Animal Kingdom, decisive moment

Louisana: Pants on fire, Nehro

Sunland: Twice the Appeal, Astrology

FLorida: Dialed In,Shackleford

Illinois: Joe Vann, Zoebear

Wood: Toby's Corner, Arthur's Tale

Santa Anita: Midnight Interlude, Comma to the top

After looking at this can I really throw out Uncle Mo. I might take a little heat for this but I can't throw him out. The main reason is I can't find a another true stand out yet that I can fully stand behind as my derby horse. I have four weeks to find the right horse or horses to help me the first saturday in May.

RJPPDP 10 Apr 2011 1:01 AM

Sorry Ted from LA I missed it. Very funny, although I am not in a laughing mood right now. I had great hopes for Mo and I am disappointed. I am on the verge of pulling out my compilation of Zenyatta's Races CD. I need a "fix." Jason, I am not jumping off Mo's bandwagon. Not because of one race. I do think he is in less than stellar condition for the longer races right now. They will have to step his training up for the Derby, if he is to have a chance at that distance. I would certainly run him in the Derby if he comes out of this o.k. If that doesn't work out, go back to shorter races. Truth be told, I am really disappointed for Mike Repole. He is a very nice guy and I would love to see him win the Derby. Mo is his best shot. I still think he is a really good horse.

Paula Higgins 10 Apr 2011 1:23 AM

Ted from LA,

Your Abe Vigoda comment WAS funny. Thanks for the laugh I enjoyed with my morning coffee.  I don't post often because I am weary of all the disparagement heaped on California racing. (My "LA" refers to a city & I'm a bit partial to Santa Anita.)  I will point out that that the splits for the SA Derby were faster than those in the Wood and Comma to the Top (whose trainer admits that he's best suited for middle distance races) still almost wired the race. And came home faster than Mo. Then again, we run on Flubber out here.  Right, Draynay?

Single in LA 10 Apr 2011 2:01 AM

I was never on the Mo Bandwagon and because of that the worse thing that could happen today did he lost.

This Derby is wide open!

Before the Mo lose he was the pick.

SO were do I go?

Dialed In has alot of horses to pass and Julian going 8 wide coming for home is crazy for any horse..

MMM??

THis years Derby winner will be coming from midpack I think..

To many equal horses?

Soldat at 20 -1 is crazy?

MMM 20-1 Crazy??

Lets see what Arkansas Derby brings???

Johnny 10 Apr 2011 2:05 AM

Jason..et al.

It's Over!I done told you about them Indian Charlies'..

Carlos in Cali 10 Apr 2011 2:43 AM

I did not know

If Uncle Mo

Could get the distance.

Now Dialled In

Looks good to win

Futile might be resistance.

But I feel the willies

About this crop.

Where are the fillies

Who'll make it stop

And win the roses, holy moses!

(Now Ted, aren't you sorry I didn't continue to stay out of this discussion?)

mz 10 Apr 2011 2:46 AM

Needler in Virginia - I am totally with you regarding Win Willy's win.  Love that quirky horse!  Every time he starts his run, I have to sing this old song at the top of my lungs:

http://youtu.be/hmbEuRzlhIs

and scare the bejeesus out of my dogs.  

As far as UM goes, its too early to totally discount him.  There are still 4 weeks to the derby and he may improve off the race.  I still expect him to be the horse that Dialed In catches for the win.

merlinmerry 10 Apr 2011 3:24 AM

I love it when people ramble on and on about a horse "grabbing a quarter". Anybody who knows horse racing will realize that it is a very, very common thing to do. The horse steps on himself and his shoes (worse if they have toe grabs on them) cut the horse. Pletcher's comment about the grab should sum it up for everyone. It had no affect on the outcome of UM's race. The horse was short, plain and simple. While he is definitely a very nice colt (who wouldn't want to own one like him??) he is not the reincarnation of Secretariat, Seattle Slew, etc. I really hate the excuses that have become commonplace in todays racing. "Threw a shoe, stepped on himself, got hung too wide"...if a horse is THAT good, his will to win and his heart will get him to the finish line. Go ask Holy Bull or Sham (knocked out 2 teeth on the gates, still ran 2nd...) Today's trainers pussyfoot around their horses. Period. I'll bet Charlie Whittingham is rolling in his grave...he actually TRAINED his horses.

trackbrat 10 Apr 2011 3:33 AM

It was a beautiful day at the Tampa Bay race track Saturday.  I had my usual booth #55 and sat in the shade eating my Boars Head turkey sandwich chewing on some Tampa chalk at the same time.  I was on fire.

I was hitting every race and Paco Lopez was leading the way.  Can you believe Morning Line was 2 to 1 ?  It was like a gift.  I was all over it for the win and did a double with Mo that didn't work out but off to Churchill we go. I will be in booth 55 again for the Kentucky Derby so if you're in Tampa stop by and say hello.  If you can't meet us there we will all be at the Capital Grill counting our winnings after the Derby.

Draynay 10 Apr 2011 3:33 AM

Uncle Mo's performance in the Wood was very similar to Favorite Trick's effort in the 98' Arkansas Derby.

Like Mo, Favorite Trick was an undefeated, BC Juvenile winner, and 2 year old champion.  Well, he wasn't just champion 2 year old, he was HoY.  

After some delays, Favorite Trick made his first start, like Mo, at Gulfstream, and in a similar "softer" spot, the Swale.  After winning that, Favorite Trick made his 2nd and final prep start in the Arkansas Derby.  In the Arkansas Derby, Favorite Trick, like Mo in the Wood, was up on the lead getting pressure from longshots.  Favorite Trick actually set quicker fractions and his field was more spread out, but visually the set-ups were similar.

Like Mo, Favorite Trick led into the stretch but couldn't get that separation.  In the final sixteenth, Favorite Trick surrendered the lead and finished the race 3rd, beaten about a length by two relatively unheralded horses.

postscript to the 98' Arkansas Derby:

Favorite Trick was not able to bounce back in Kentucky, finding 10 furlongs too far, but he won some stakes later in the year and always ran hard.  The winner of the Arkansas Derby, Victory Gallop, would go on to spoil Real Quiet's Triple Crown attempt in the Belmont and win the Eclipse as champion older horse in 99'.

GunBow 10 Apr 2011 3:39 AM

Matthew W:

Enjoy the Walk got off to a slow start in the La Primera del Ano Derby, but she rallied and was just nosed out for 2nd.  However, she never had a chance against the favored Fall for It, who simply crushed the field in a stakes record time.

GunBow 10 Apr 2011 3:42 AM

Sad about Mo.  His popularity was nice for the TC.  It just might have been a throw out but I'm thinking he is not a 9 or 10 furlong horse and certainly not a 12 furlong horse.  I'm thinking he was just not fit enough for the Wood.  How could he be with one race in six months?  How could he win a TC on two races?  Maybe he can get 10 furlongs but he was a tired horse before he it 9 furlongs.  It certainly wasn't because he was over-raced but because he hasn't raced enough.

MonicaV 10 Apr 2011 4:27 AM

So........

See above

1 Toby

2 xxx

3 Mo

Folks still not giving Toby his due. He had a terrible trip, blocked from sixth to last then completely stopped in the stretch and still comes on to win accelerating at the finish.

Now I'm just a simple country boy compared to all the experts in here but was at the race and bet Toby to win. Guess I'll see ya'll at the Derby and take your money again.

McGuane 10 Apr 2011 5:18 AM

Oh by the way

Jon

You called " all the other horses in the race $1,000 claimers". I offered Toby's owners a grand before the race......they declined.

McGuane 10 Apr 2011 5:25 AM

Draynay,

 When I clicked on Bloodhorse this morning there was a pop-up that showed Bloodhorse is giving free lessons for the novice handicapper. I think you should check it out.

longwaytomay 10 Apr 2011 5:56 AM

I'm sorry, but I just can't understand all the low expectations of MO,  So what! he lost his first race. it's not he end of the world, are any of you really surprised?  I'm not,  I knew he was due to finally lose a race. He came up short, they are going to really have to work with  him to get him ready for derby. It's not the end of the world,  you all should know that by now.

Jason I agree with you about the bandwagon jumping.  These days don't expect a horse to start at two and run until he's four and never lose a race.  Horses aren't bred like that anymore. Maybe he didn't like the surface at Aqueduct.  Maybe Mo didn't feel like running stronger.  He's not a machine,  he is a horse.

I sure would hate to have supporters like this,  the first and only time I come up short , they throw me to the wolves.  its' not Mo's fault he lost a race, it's our fault for expecting him not to.

GIVE UNCLE MO A BREAK!!

sodapopkid 10 Apr 2011 8:13 AM

Jason, you do have to admit the spin was out of control[and yes I bought in to it]...reminded me of the Azeri spin. Betsy I agree with you, I think Arthur's Tail will have no trouble with the 'Derby distance[unfortunately his days of 20/1 are over]...Jimmer, the two runners you mentioned have nothing to be ashamed of as far as pedigree goes. I understand the "Green Monkey" theory, the race will be run on the track. One little snippit that some may have missed that should have been a red flag was Pletchers' remark that there are some runners[in the Wood] with very nice pedigree lines]. Ted from LA et al Secretariat was sick in the Wood[and we may discover 'Mo was ill], Secretariat had a great carreer, but he was able to develope from 2 to 3 to 4...we all want heroes and sometime grasp at anything "resembling" greatness! We should all look at the glass 1/2 full here as it certainly will help our chance of a nice return in the Derby!

nickie 10 Apr 2011 8:46 AM

Don't sell TC short. In the Gotham he looked like a horse that got a good education. Looks like he's a good student. As for UM, let see how he comes out of the race and trains at CD. He sort of reminds me of Perfect Trick.

MikeM 10 Apr 2011 9:59 AM

Jon,

You hit it on the head.  Actually can't believe there is only one post regarding the fact that R Heat Lightning, may at this point, be Todd's best three year old; and in what seems like it could be a very ordinary year for colts. It might make sense to point the filly toward the derby over the oaks.  I still think Mo, along with the Factor are the 2 best athletes of all the colts, but with Mo's sensitive foundation, i can't imagine losing a week or two, with a minor foot issue wouldn't cause a major problem, at this point.  If he in fact just bounced, as Brethren did in Tampa, maybe the paradigm shifts, but at this point R Heat, is a hot as any sophomore colt.

brettzky99 10 Apr 2011 10:00 AM

Sorry to say, but the hype over Uncle Mo was way out of control, especially the comparisons to greats like Secretariat and Seattle Slew. Short of winning the Triple Crown, there was absolutely no chance that Uncle Mo could have lived up to the hype. He's still a nice horse, but it's pretty clear now that he has distance limitations. He should be aimed for the Met Mile.

Dutch 10 Apr 2011 10:10 AM

When I said that Pletcher was "all over Uncle Mo and would know if something was wrong," I was not referring to the quarter grab that had not even been mentioned at that point.  I meant some other ailment or "tooth issue" ala Secretariat prior to the race that might provide an excuse.  But, any way you look at the race, Mo, on paper towered over that weak field.  But in reality, he didn't...quarter grab or not.  He should still have beatem them if he were truly great.  He is sort of the next Devil's Bag..brillaint at two but limited; just didn't train on at three.  Mo may yet rebound, who know's for sure, but I think he was exposed yesterday.  I feel for him.  He has no idea what people were/are saying about him and what expectations they had/have of him.  Pletcher said he was disappointed, but "not shocked".  Really?  He should have been totally shocked.  He should still be shocked and seriously second guessing himself. It was all a mattter of how he would win, on the lead or by letting some dirt get kicked in his face to season him a bit before accelerating to the wire...or so it seemed.  

Jon 10 Apr 2011 10:15 AM

I have seen this movie before!  

It seems that every so often racing producess a very speedy and successful two year old that matures early and clearly dominates his races until the distances stretch out and other talented runners begin to mature and expose them as less than their superstar status.  Do Devil's Bag, Favorite Trick or War Pass come to mind?

I think Uncle Mo fits that mold.  He is a good horse who matured early, has talent, but distance limitations like the horses I mentioned above.  On top of that, he was handled too conservatively during this three year old campaign which, having grabbed a quarter or no, left him short against a predominantly weak field in the Wood (although I think that the top two finishers in that race are nice horses who do not share the same distance issues and could make noise on Derby Day if they go).  I have a suspicion that if Pletcher and Repole feel Mo cannot get the mile and a quarter some excuse may be concocted to not run him in the Derby so as to not have have him run up the track, tarnish his star quality even more and thus "lower" his breeding value.  I would not be surprised to hear that Mo is being retired before Derby Day.  Although Repole is a fantastic owner with a genuine heart for the sport, at the end of the day, this is a business and Mo's breeding value will decrease as the distances increase.

On a different note, Dialed In is a different story.  He will get better as the distances increase and as the year ensues (typical of Mineshaft's offspring).  His Florida Derby win is underrated given the pronounced SPEED BIAS of the track that day and the HEAT that made many of the quality entrants wilter (I was there in person, trust me!).  As a result, I'm not inclined to put much stock in the slow-time theory.  This horse wasn't even fully cranked for that race and he shows every desire of going longer.  The Florida Derby, in my estimation, is being underrated by many.  I expect Dialed In to get better as well as Soldat, in particular, who was lathered up before the race from the heat.  Were he still in the Derby picture, I also would have expected To Honor and Serve to run very strong in the Derby although I could not see him winning it.

Like most years, some of the promising Derby contenders either become exposed as being less than what we thought or bypass the race due to injury, all of which makes handicapping this race as hard as trying to figure out why Todd Pletcher charted such a Mickey-Mouse, fluffy-duffy path to a race that demands previous battle-testing!  I don't think Uncle Mo would have won the Derby anyway -- I do think Dialed In, who can prevail in the midst of heat in a variety of ways may be able to!

No matter how often this movie plays year after year, we keep forgetting some its scenes, but when the credits roll at the end, it all makes sense!!

Joe Alva 10 Apr 2011 10:49 AM

In my previous post I meant to say UM reminds me of Favorite Trick.

MikeM 10 Apr 2011 10:53 AM

sodapopkid

I Totally agree with you! R Heat Lightning ran really bad in her first big race of the year and came back didn't she? A Lot of horses...or should I say every horses, have a bad day once in a while.

After THAS lose in the Fouthain of Youth, people were giving him another chance. Ok after 2 races, maybe he's not a Derby horse, but it took 2 races for people to decide that. Even after Soldat was badly beat in the Florida Derby, there's still people believing in him. But if Mo is beat just once, by barely more than 1 lenght, in the same time (more or less) than Dialed In, people are screaming that Mo is worthless. Why is Mo the only horse in the world you can't give a second chance? he's not a machine, he's not perfect, no horse is.

Don't forget also that Mo love Churchill, it's a + for him, like it was for Street Sense or Super Saver last year

ST 10 Apr 2011 11:27 AM

UNCLE MO will not go in the Derby.

heard it on the radio.

its all baffert trifecta in the derby.

helloskinny 10 Apr 2011 11:27 AM

The program for preparing young, growing horses for the classic-race grind was developed over many decades of trial and error. A campaign of some substance at 2 was required if the horse was to prep only 2 or 3 times before the First Saturday in May. Sunny's Halo, who famously had only 2 preps at 3 before his Derby win, had run 11 times at 2.

Suddenly, a relatively short time ago, the top tier trainers decided to discard all the hard-earned experience of their predecessors and blaze a new path. Now stakes horses would train instead of race, making racing 'appearances' only every 6-8 weeks. Perhaps they are influenced the 'sheets guys' and their bounce theory to emphasize 'freshness' over fitness. Who knows? But I do know that it has not been good for the horses nor for the sport.  

Pedigree Ann 10 Apr 2011 11:58 AM

good for the crowd having mo pegged right!  without fail, every year there's hype about beyers, about triple crown winner, about...this bunch is ordinary, and an ordinary horse will win --- been down here with Sway Away, Elite Alex, Break Up The Game (and he's not going anywhere).  Good to see the chalk-eaters get a fist full of dirt.  Nice to have you in the betting public.

quiet american 55 10 Apr 2011 11:58 AM

Betting the kentucky Derby will be fun, but the question is who to take? The payouts should be hefty as usual to those precious few who hit the Derby. Uncle Mo Loves CD don't count him out from hitting the board. I don't think he will win though, 1 1/4 probably beyond his limit. Dialed in and Mucho Macho Man should be a real factor. Speaking of the Factor, the Arkansas Derby will be his measuring stick to see how he may be able to compete at 1 1/4. Hoping Master of Hounds runs, he will get a big price and could steal the show.

joe p 10 Apr 2011 11:59 AM

The Wood was a million dollar grade 1 race. Repole and Pletcher should've been wise enough to know the others weren't going to just let Mo leisurely jog away from them like they did in the Timely Writer.Nobody's going to hand them a million dollar race. Toby's Corner ran 3rd in a grade 3, they should've known he wasn't that weak. Now that despite their careful planning Uncle Mo's been exposed before the Derby they'll probably retire him before instead of after the Derby since the hype will be gone and they won't be getting all the attention they crave so much leading up to the race.

ACDC 10 Apr 2011 12:36 PM

What happens when Todd Pletcher and Mike Repole do the right thing and pull Uncle Mo from the Derby?

The "bandwagon" will ceast to exist.

John 10 Apr 2011 12:46 PM

Perhaps at this distance, Indian Charlies all need some sugar laced vitamin water at the sixteenth pole.

berttheclock 10 Apr 2011 12:56 PM

I just read a rumor that indeed Uncle Mo has been pulled from the Derby Trail.

Can anyone confirm this?

John 10 Apr 2011 1:02 PM

what's with Pletcher thinking 2 races in 6 months would have his horse ready?Go back to the old days of training get them experience and i doubt Mo can get a mile and a quarter.As for Baffert's Santa Anita winner well War Chant was well bred and Danzig side gives him every chance to get Derby distance and more , Remember Hard Spun and of course Danzig Connection who won the Belmont.Enough of this treating the horses as weaklings who can't run at least once a month.Citation in 1948 ran 20 times won 19 second the other and won the Triple Trown!!Wide open Derby with Dialed in looking real good but the traffic in Derby will be a problem for a closer.

2 time valley player of the year 10 Apr 2011 1:08 PM

Someone from HRTV quoted a reliable source saying Uncle Mo is off the Derby trail.

Stay tuned.

Edward 10 Apr 2011 1:14 PM

Wow i love you Uncle Mo cool aid drinkers.Lets the excuses flow.Bottom line Tobys Corner is the better horse right now and going forward. Uncle Mo is just like Fly so Free,Arazi,and Favorite Trick to name a few.The typical two year old overhyped champion whose class is leaving him behind.tThese are the same people who still think Easy Goer was better than Sunday Silence.Mo had an easy lead with little pressure and was simply ate up in deep stretch thanks again Steve Haskin I cashed big yesterday in the Wood you have loved Toby for months we you get to Los Angeles dinner is on me.

Playfriskyforme 10 Apr 2011 1:36 PM

Churchill Down confirmed that Mo is still planning to go to Churchill on April 18th

The rumors aren't truth

twitter.com/ChurchillDowns

Katie 10 Apr 2011 1:37 PM

where's is everyone hearing that mo is off the derby trail? last i checked they said he's on his way to churchill come monday.

thomas 10 Apr 2011 1:42 PM

Householder, GunBow:

If Comma To The Top does run in the Derby, will he be a Closing Argument type horse, or will he be a Sidney's Candy type horse going into the Derby?

tcc 10 Apr 2011 1:43 PM

The Wood has not been friendly to Derby favorites over the past few years.

mz =  poetry in motion.  

Ted from LA 10 Apr 2011 1:47 PM

Toby's Corner had the roughest trip in the field, just look at the charts.  So I can't figure out why this horse isn't getting more respect.  

There's no reason he can't win the Derby.  He has 2-year-old foundation, has won in slop and on fast tracks, has decent breeding, etc., etc.

Dialed In looked like a fast cow closing in the FD and yet he's the new hype horse while Toby gets dissed.  It doesn't make sense.  Dialed In closed on a speed biased track but that doesn't excuse his crawling finish.  Toby closed much better on a track that was even more speed biased. (Aqueduct's speed bias rating was 100% for the Wood, Gulfstream's speed bias was 67% for the Florida Derby).

Kris 10 Apr 2011 2:02 PM

I read somewhere that when Mo grabbed the quarter he pulled the shoe off the hoof with a quarter crack..... Anyone else hear that? May explain the mild campaign he has had so far this year and why he was short yesterday. Can't say I have ever "given" him the Derby but I don't understand all those who knock a horse if he (or she) doesn't win every time. Very few horses retire undefeated so eventually nearly all of them are gonna lose. He is a terrific horse so maybe we should give him and his owner a break. Obviously Mo isn't offended, but if I were Mr Repole I wouldn't be too thrilled with all the crap being said, especially after being so nice trying to include the fans.

RACINGFAN 10 Apr 2011 2:16 PM

I hope Arthur's Tale makes it into the Derby field,he's improving rapidly and with a better trip would've took the Wood Memorial.

I had him and Toby's Corner underneath UM,thinking UM would cruise,but it's obvious 'Mo has far greater distance limitations than I thought.They should point the average miler towards the Derby Trial,not the KY Derby. :)

Carlos in Cali 10 Apr 2011 2:26 PM

For throwing a shoe, grabbing a quarter, and whatever else befell Uncle Mo, he is alive, well and has a month of serious training until The Roses bloom.

Don't give up on a dream.i don't for any of them. Ever.

Does anyone on this blog really believe that Mike Repole will give up on Uncle Mo? I hope to tell you he won't as it is not in his vocabulary as we all know from his posts.

Frankly speaking, Uncle Mo did quite well if all the issues were present that have been mentioned here.

So hopefully no gloating at someone elses misfortunes, it is rude, unsportsmanlike, and downright ugly and to wishfully predict injuries is really sick.

I wish the best for all horses and their owners. At least they all came back to their stalls on their own power to live to race another day. It is not over til it is over.

So i still look for Uncle Mo to be a big part of the triple crown races. Don't write anyone of them off yet. It just wasn't Mo's day.

He still was right there!

And thanks Mike Repole and family for your generosity with your time, your honesty and your super positive attitude. Today is a new day. Give Mo a few days off to make sure he is sound, then back to the track twice a day to build him up. And i hope no one talks Mike Repole into not racing Mo in the KD, that would be a huge mistake. This is his first loss. And i hope that the jockey is not blamed and fined for Mo throwing a shoe if he did.

I would also get Mo to Churchill Downs soon as possible or so to get him accustomed to the track, the water, the air and the surroundings. Same as i would suggest for all that will be racing there. And i would pipe in noise so they will all be ready for the crowds come Derby Day and

not find out the hard way that it is coordinated total chaos. Either that or ear plugs last resort.

As you all know, i am not an expert or a handicapper and for sure not a trainer, just know a little about horses and their comfort zones especially the high strung Thoroughbreds.

Hang in there Uncle Mo and Mr. Mike Repole.

Linda in Texas 10 Apr 2011 3:52 PM

I assume that everyone saw that TP's 3 best chances at the Kentucky Derby just threw in clunkers in their Derby Prep. TP may win at a high percentage and may be considered a great trainer, but I question whether he can take a single horse and keep that horse at a high level for an extended period of time. And lets not forget, in the biggest races of Friday and Saturday of the 2010 BC, TP's horses finished dead last (Life At Ten and Quality Road). TP did a poor job preparing Uncle Mo for the Wood, and for a horse that wanted no part of 1 1/8 miles, I find it hard to believe TP can get enough conditioning in Mo to get 1 1/4 miles. Too bad. The kid glove approach fails again.

Jimmy 10 Apr 2011 4:21 PM

Glad to see they still plan to keep Mo on the Derby trail. I think it is way too premature to decide now, not to go to the Derby. See how he comes out of this and he trains. They will have to step up his training though. His last 1/8 of a mile was run in 12.80 according to Jennie Rees. Mike Repole says he is never watching the movie Secretariat again before the Wood.

Paula Higgins 10 Apr 2011 4:22 PM

S A Derby winner looks like Ky Derby winner....

Matthew W 10 Apr 2011 4:25 PM

I heard Uncle Mo is still on the derby trail.  After his performance yesterday...I would keep him in the barn on derby day and unleash him in the Preakness Sprint.  He's not going a mile and a quarter...not with In Excess in his bloodline.

Whateveryoucallit 10 Apr 2011 5:33 PM

I certainly do not think that Comma at the Top wants 10 furlongs.  why take a nice horse and overextend him?  There are plenty of races out there for him and if they want to try 10 furlongs maybe the Pacific classic.  I just hope he survives the Derby if he runs.

Footlick 10 Apr 2011 6:56 PM

draynay,

I just finished counting my winnings from the $50 2-4 exacta in the Wood. I love making money from beating the "unbeatables". I'll send a couple mint juleps to table 55 at Tampa on Derby Day. At least then you'll get something back from the track instead of just handing away your money on losing bets.

mr pibb 11 Apr 2011 9:44 AM

trackbrat.  Just watch Sunday Silence's Preakness.  Easy Goer passes him starting into the final turn and pinches him off.  Pat V just backs him out and circles Easy Goer going into the far turn.  

Whittingham was training Sunday Silence up to the Preakness in a bar shoe!  He had bruised his foot in the Derby.

The ferrier just clipped the bar and he went out and won his third consecutive Grade 1.  

After the Triple Crown Sunday Silence then comes back and BOMBS the Swaps to a very game Prized, who would later take the BC Turf at 3.

He then just trains the horse up to the Breeders Cup classic (3-4 month lay off) where he once again beats Easy Goer.  

Charlie Whittingham...

Householder 11 Apr 2011 12:53 PM

jayjay this one's for you,

Remember when draynay was ridiculing about the time another horse ran the 1 1/8 in? Read below to recall how he made fun of it and keep in mind unca schmoe ran his 6f last Saturday in 1:12.28 just .15 off the split he scoffs at and he came home in 37.7 just .1 off the last fraction he scoffs at. According to this he says any horse who runs that has no chance, shouldn't be a Derby horse, and is just plain sad. Here's what draynay said:

Soldat comes home in 37.80 and this is your monster?  This is your Derby horse?  Please be serious.  Coming home that slow after posting a 112.43 is just plain sad.

Draynay 01 Mar 2011 11:42 PM

Jayjay, you are beyond help and I am not just talking about this sport.  You watch horse run splits of 112 and finish in 38 and you think these horses have a chance?

Draynay 03 Mar 2011 10:18 AM

no mo mo 11 Apr 2011 1:08 PM

Uncle Mo's Wood:

23.4 first 1/4

24.4 second 1/4 (slower)

24.4 third 1/4  (even)

25.0   fourth 1/4 (slower)

13.0   last 1/8   (slower)

Mo was slowing down the entire race!! Not one split did he accelerate even though the pace was near crawling!! This is not the race of a superstar nor the race of a Ky. Derby contender. This is the race of another draynay chalk who falters under pressure.  

gw_bushwacker 11 Apr 2011 1:17 PM

Jimmy.  TP also brought us Dunkirk.  Wonder what he would have done differently with that one.

Householder 11 Apr 2011 2:04 PM

tcc.  I love hard knocking geldings like Comma To the Top but with the In Excess/Terlingua cross he is built for speed and not for the Derby.  Footlick is right.  Try him in the Hollywood Gold Cup if you want to test him at 10f.  He loves the track.  After Anthony's Cross failed to break with blinkers, Comma was the only speed in the Santa Antia Derby.  He just kind of nursed it around, with some decent splits, like so many others have done the entire winter meet.  Hope to see him on grass someday much like Sydney's Candy.  

Householder 11 Apr 2011 2:32 PM

Householder- Comma at the Top has already won on the turf so they have so many options with him.  I just think it is a shame.  Such a nice horse.  I just think about Althea after her spectacular win in the Arkansas Derby, and knowing she wanted no part of 10 furlongs.  But there she went to the Derby because they just had to go.  She was passed by every horse in the stretch and was never the same after.  A nice broodmare, though.

Footlick 11 Apr 2011 5:57 PM

Householder;

Was just reading where CTTT's connections, because of his Santa Anita Derby performance has them rethinking about maybe running him in the Derby.  

tcc 12 Apr 2011 1:32 AM


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