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Five Derby Longshots to Consider

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Finding value in the Kentucky Derby is rarely an issue, and that is especially true this year. The wide-open nature of this group means that nearly every horse--save Dialed In and Uncle Mo--will be double-digit odds on Saturday and will help trigger potentially huge exotic payoffs.

The trick is, we have to find the right ones to use. One day before the post position draw and with plenty of things to still consider, here are five longshots to take a look at.

Soldat: Likely post time odds: 12- to 15-1--If you are willing to draw a line through his Florida Derby, he is as playable as any horse in the race. He has a pair of 1 1/8-mile wins this year, has eight lifetime starts to his credit and his hit the board in seven of them, and has good tactical speed.

Soldat was caught on the rail in the Florida Derby and was unable to get off. The rail was dead that day and according to trainer Kiaran McLaughlin, Soldat was "spinning his wheels" on a hot, dry track. He didn't like the kickback in his face. In the Kentucky Derby, McLaughlin is hoping for a mid-to-outside draw and a stalking position where he can sit just in back of the leaders. He is not an explosive type of horse, but if he gets a good trip he can click off :12 eighths with the best of them and be in great position coming off the turn.

Ten furlongs is a question with every horse in this race but because of his bottom, Soldat might be running well in the final furlong while most others will be backing up. McLaughlin says this colt has not missed a day of training in more than a year. He is fit and ready to run. Whether or not he is good enough, we will have to wait to find out. An off track certainly would be in his favor.

Archarcharch: Likely post time odds: 12- 15-1--It's hard to believe that we are still talking about this horse as a longshot since he won the Southwest and Arkansas Derby, but he is. Maybe it's his name. Or his trainer, who is not a household name. Whatever the reason, Archarcharch seems to always get overlooked.

In six starts, really the only poor effort he gave was in the Smarty Jones Stakes in his season debut when fourth in a weird race that was run in a heavy fog. What really impressed me in both of his wins were the big moves he made on the turns. He has the electrifying kind of turn of foot that a horse needs to get into winning position. He has trained very well all season, both at Oaklawn and at Churchill. And don't forget, he has a good second-place finish here at Churchill in his debut last year. He should be in the mix.

Stay Thirsty: Likely post time odds: 20- 25-1--He also had a poor run in the Florida Derby, but may have had more of an excuse than even Soldat. He was sweating bad in the paddock on a hot day and was just never in the race. The failed blinkers experiment didn't help either.

Stay Thirsty ran huge off a layoff to win the Gotham, easily defeating Toby's Corner, who came back to defeat Uncle Mo in the Wood. Toby's Corner would have been one of the top five choices in the Derby had he not been declared from the race. Thirsty has three very good weeks of training at Churchill, has a 1 1/4-mile pedigree, and maybe the best rider in the country on him. He has a chance to run a big race.

Pants On Fire: Likely post time odds: 40- to 50-1--Mucho Macho Man and Nehro are the horses getting all the attention coming out of the Louisiana Derby, but the horse that beat them both comes into the Derby without any fanfare. That was by far the best race of his life and most people are not expecting him to run back to that. But he has run some other nice races too. He basically had the Lecomte won until Wilkinson stole in on the rail and he ran a good optional claimer at Aqueduct in January when missing by a nose.

He'll be near the front and if he sits a good trip just off pace he could get brave. He likes to fight. Ten furlongs is likely beyond his best distance but that doesn't mean he can't hang on for a slice.

Brilliant Speed: Likely post time odds: 40- to 50-1: Most people give him no chance, and I suppose that's for good reason. His dirt form was terrible as a juvenile and he was a narrow, upset winner in the Blue Grass, which is no longer an important Derby prep. But I was impressed in that Blue Grass. He circled the field and closed into a crawling pace; not an easy thing to do at Keeneland. He also ran his final eighth in :11 3/5. That is pretty darn fast.

Two other positives: Brilliant Speed may have the best 1 1/4-mile pedigree in the entire field and has the red-hot Joel Rosario in the irons. How he handles dirt is obviously the major question mark. But he is a consistent horse who has hit the board in all three stakes starts this year and if he gets a decent pace, could be coming at the end.

147 Comments:

I like both AAA and Pants on Fire.  What are your thoughts on Shackleford?

2:24 03 May 2011 12:54 PM

I guess we're starting to think alike, since these are 5 of the horses I mentioned I will play with Dialed In.  The difference is that we'll have different horses singled on top.  You said UM will win if he makes it to the gate and I predicted Dialed In.  I have another longshot I'm playing other than that 5, I think he'll be there in the end at boxcar odds.  It's all there in my Apr 28th post.

The post draw will give me an idea who I'll double my superfecta tickets on.  I'm shootin' for the moon this year, hopefully Dialed In gets me there.

Good luck with UM, if he wins, you win, if Dialed In wins, I win :)

JayJay 03 May 2011 12:57 PM

If I see 15-1 for AAA with 5 mins to post, I might just empty my wallet on him.

Stones 03 May 2011 1:19 PM

with tobys corner out i need to rethink everything

thomas 03 May 2011 1:31 PM

I have been a Stay Thirsty fan since I saw him run at Saratoga last summer. I am going to toss the Floriday Derby and will be using him on all of my exacta's

My question is will Stay Thirsty and Uncle Mo run as an entry in the Derby? If they do it would have a huge impact on Stay Thirsty's odds......

leoneslegends 03 May 2011 1:31 PM

All reasonable ----but the weirdness of this Derby like the TV adds ---BUT  THERE'S MORE---did just doesn't end this year. So many may come up big in this Derby.

I did think Stay Thirsty worked great in the slop for his last work before the Derby. MO who worked with him I gave a neutral.

I watched the replays of the major races again and the workouts---came only to the conclusion the MMM Mucho Macho Man is the only horse that has consistently looked good working out--every work and gallop-(THIS IS IN MY EYES) and tried hard every race. Problem being is although I believe he will try and run well I suspect he isn't quite good enough.

Quick Picks anyone? I will bet the Derby (I always do)but although I will bet it--it won't be with vigor---all time low is safe Private Emblem $4 2w -2pl and high Unbridled $400 win $400 pl and about $300 in exotics

sniper1 03 May 2011 1:38 PM

I have liked Soldat all along and at 15-1 I think he would be just too good an overlay to pass on.

Giddyup 03 May 2011 1:55 PM

Stones I agree 100% ArchArchArch is awesome and at 15-1 he is def. hitting the board.

Think about this, training well at churchill check, highest beyer number of the last prep check, trainer hasnt won the derby check,comes from off the pace check, best turn of foot check! He is a beast and is overlooked due to the hype around UM and DI. Archarcharch to the bank!  

It aint easy being good! 03 May 2011 2:06 PM

I dont think we will see post time odds anywhere like 15:1 on Archarcharch. But Im with you Stones if you do.

The more I see of him at CD the better he looks to actually win it. LOVE the Old School blinkers off breeze today he always looks so workmanlike.

What of Animal Kingdom Jason?  Should be long, lots are saying he looks good. He looks a bit light for jostling to me but its his body type, with the right trip he could get the 1 1/4.

POF with Rosie I couldnt be unhappy with that upset. He seems focused enough

Stay Thirsty looks as good or better as he ever has looked. I think this is Mikes best shot, given the few days remaining, long or not...

Zen's Auntie 03 May 2011 2:15 PM

I see AAA as this year's ICE BOX shuffled back to 19th at the 1/2.  He is used to seeing 46 and change splits which is about what Pat V will be doing on Comma to the Top rain or shine.  Looking at how he is bred he may be the only one closing the last 1/8th.  Just hope we can get ICE BOX type odds on Derby day.

It's hard to look past Brilliant Speed's 2 early maiden losses at 1 1/16 on turf and the fact that it took him 5 attempts.  Probably better if the track comes up muddy.  

Householder 03 May 2011 2:15 PM

thomas, if Toby's Corner was the anchor of your ticket you have A LOT of things to think about.  I will only use Brilliant Speed if the track comes up sloppy but from the weather reports I have seen the track will dry out Thursday and Friday.  Archarcharch appears to like the track so you have to have him in there.  Soldat will be tough no matter what use him or lose.  But why no Santiva ?  Santiva likes Churchill and the odds on him will be very nice.

Draynay 03 May 2011 2:21 PM

"My question is will Stay Thirsty and Uncle Mo run as an entry in the Derby?"

No.

All horses in the Derby now run as separate interests even if same owner/trainer. Stay Thirsty at 30:1 is good value. At 15:1-20:1 he's not.

JamesRockford 03 May 2011 2:29 PM

Man another horse I thought had no chance to win the race out of the field. This happens every year so called mid level contenders that are perfect to throw out dont make it to the race and it hurts the odds on everyone. I am keeping my fingers crossed that Mo still run. That Wood field was without a doubt the worse looking big time prep on paper. Oh well its the Derby trail this is what happens.

furlongs 03 May 2011 2:43 PM

I see Soldat and AAA as major contenders not longshots.  They will most likely be bet down quite a bit.

However, Pants on Fire is most intriguing. He has a bullet work at Churchill, has tactical speed, and is an experienced router.

Another longshot that is interesting is Animal Kingdom who will be overlooked greatly.  He can make the distance, has a great trainer, and worked impressively over the dirt at Churchill.

After the post positions are drawn I will jump in with my picks and hope for the best.  

May they all leave the gate and get past the wire safely.  Good luck to all.

Freetex 03 May 2011 2:46 PM

Dialed In will not hit the board.  Why anyone thinks he will is very strange.  The clock doesn't lie.  He is slow.

Draynay 03 May 2011 2:56 PM

After reading your article which I think has many good points, but I still have a lingering question. Why is everyone thinking that Soldat is another wise guy horse. Many well respected handicappers think this horse has great value. On an off track he would certainly move up. My main question on him is the distance. He is out of War Front so it should be up for discussion. The Factor has been written off as a miler type but yet Soldat has the bottom to get the mile and a quarter. I know Soldats female side has a little more stamina than the Factor does. I guess im just missing something so I will study more and try to figure it out. Can anyone help me with this?

jimthepimp 03 May 2011 2:59 PM

Still early but as I won’t have the luxury of how the track is playing to post time because I will be at the track –no big bet in either race

For the benefit of Dray and KyVet who put their picks up and boast they are brilliant—I have no such delusions of grandeur in this year’s Derby but  for comparison sake I will live with these picks

OAKS---Really wanted R Heat Lighting to run because I didn’t like her—now I am chalk—automatic lowering of wager

Joyful Victory . Zazu, $20 Exactor Box and on top of in tri’s

Lilacs and Lace, Daisy Devine, Kathmanblu underneath $24 ticket in tri

Derby Pick/Bet

By DEFAULT

Dailed In

over

Archarcharch, MMM, Decisive Moment, Midnight Interlude, Nehro, Stay Thirsty with

Archarcharch, MMM, Decisive Moment, Midnight Interlude, Nehro Stay Thirsty, add Soldat and Shackleford in 3rd--$48 ticket

Then put Midnight Interlude on top of Dailed In for 2nd

with the same (include the 3rd horses) $7 add on--total $55 which is more than this Derby is worth

If I hit it will pay enough especially if Decisive Moment can crack the first 3—I just watched the races again and just saw how close how many average horses were there at the 1/8 pole in the Wood so I just can’t Mo it (although if he bounces back it won’t shock me) and think the second place was not really Derby class although on that day I used him because I thought the field was so weak and the winner just beat him. The winner and place horse both checked more than once in the Wood so that even makes Mo’s Wood worse.  Soldat really didn’t run well in the FL Derby but did in the slop--sooo

sniper1 03 May 2011 3:04 PM

Jason,

 If the pace leans to the fast or insane side, then don't discount Animal Kingdom. Think he would come home faster than most if not all of the dead closers.

Draynay,

 If you think Santiva is good value then YOU have alot to think about.

longwaytomay 03 May 2011 3:16 PM

Jason I agree on all counts. I have Archarcharch in my top 3 so my list of 5 longshots to use with my top 3 includes Animal Kingdom, Brilliant Speed, Stay Thirsty, Soldat, and Pants On Fire. I'd certainly consider using Decisive Moment if the track comes up wet only at 30/1 or higher. I really like Animal Kingdom the more I see and hear about him. Could be this years Paddy O'Prado.  

the_wiz 03 May 2011 3:18 PM

PURE DRAYNAY.......

All over Uncle Mo and now picks 5 horses, not 1..... 5 !!!!

You gotta love this dope.

Soldat. Gone!!!  See ya.

philsvssox2011 03 May 2011 3:29 PM

Can I just say that Plum Pretty is really just that - Great balance, good muscle and I love her face and her look through the bridle. What a gal, she looked just as happy as a duck out there.  

I know they cant be "sisters" which is kind of silly but whatever, still she seems to run a lot like her dads OTHER pretty daughter.  

might want to use her in the minors at least, maybe to step up and win. with R Heat Lightning out it opens up PPretty will be somewhat long right?

Zen's Auntie 03 May 2011 3:32 PM

3 out of 5 is not bad..

Do not like Brillant Speed or POF..

No way do you get 12-15 to 1 on AAA,if you do I will be schocked.

I am adding Schackelford to my list.

I have 7 horse I like I see Dialed In as the place horse..

I will be wheeling my 7 horses in tri and Supers going for the big payout this year..

Good Luck to all

Johnny 03 May 2011 4:19 PM

Everything will change when the cameras come on and we see anything but a fast track, you'd have to look at those horses and the clockers reports that give indication that the horse relished the going and thats important because if the horses seemed to shy away from the running in the slop in the works then its not likely they will show up and move forward on an off track, but that does move up those horses that are coming from the turf or synthetics. As of Right now Nehro is my single, but off his last work i have issues with him, from the way he shut down after the wire in his 4f work. But I think he's sitting on a big one. As for AAA, I think he could be a horse that runs away from them before its all said and done, winning by 5 lengths would not surprise me with AAA, I dont see the two favorites around at the wire, Uncle Mo and Dialed In will both disappoint, maybe Mo finishes 4th or 5th and Dialed In is going to struggle to get 6th or 7th.

AfleetAlexForever 03 May 2011 4:30 PM

Clock doesn't lie? Hmmm

Have to trust me on this one--on Sunday I cashed a very nice ticket on a turf horse from Tampa---Beyer top 65 in his 3 races vs recent 85's and the like of his challengers

---The difference which moved me to him?

I saw him run on TVG one day and was impressed--green but loaded

Walker's Landing $42.80 yes of course it is easy to say after the race---but I actually told people at work to put a few dollars that rarely bet and a couple of people I talk to at the track bet $40 across and wasn't close to catching my tri's nor exactor (could of had $60 more straight on him-wasted) although I hit the late double more than once and the late pick 3 if I had gone chalk in first leg of the P4---very very costly error--but I didn't like him

Figures can lie----IF you know how to watch a race---Andy Beyer---hmmm where is he on the Richest People List? Good figures but the eye is always better.

Wish it was like the old days no turf records, breeding stats, out of date mud marks, and speed ratings were how far they were off the track record--those were the days of doing your homework and making money gambling.

Also at Belmont a first time Chris Englehart (Lady of the Forest) coming off a win for another trainer that paid $11 and change. Sometimes you don't have to be brilliant at all to win ($150 win bet and Tri for $3) Maybe figures are important here but not speed figures (.39 first time with new acquisitions) I've bet Finger Lakes a few times in the past. Look for him to be one trainer to watch over the next few years. All he needs are good horses.

Belmont even with my poor reading of speed figures was very good to me Sunday.

I have loaded guns for the weekend dollar wise but as non-professional gambler--even I know when to pick your spots and keep your bullets in the gun for the right time.

Figures Lie! $55 is plenty to bet on this Derby for me but best of luck to those who send it in. My picks if wrong? Such is life if I cash big on a 5k claimer I am happy don't need boasting rights--shouldn't even have mentioned my Belmont Sunday success. Your rewards should be great if you hit the Derby right in order.

Again Good Luck

sniper1 03 May 2011 5:14 PM

Soldat has run the 2nd best time of any horse in the field.....that might be why he is a contender...Can anyone read?  And, here is a tip...good races wipe horses out!!!! soldat was asked out of the gate...he did not have IT!!!! Why did he run bad?  If you knew the game, like i do, you would know that he ran 2 great races in a row! How about that? mystery SOLVED! Why do you think its hard to win the triple crown...?  Good races hurt horses!  LEARN THE GAME!!! I'm Trying to HELP you people!!! So WHY would anyone think Nehro will run great AGAIN?....Use this bit of info...ARCH has run alot and fired 3 times in a row...What do you think those races will do to him?  ANYONE? ANYONE?  Mo has races that took nothing out of him...WHAT DO you think will happen this start?   ANYONE?

KY VET 03 May 2011 5:36 PM

Predicting the odds is almost as difficult as predicting the result (okay...that's an overstatement).

Two things about the Derby that make predicting the odds so different than your typical race: 1) the size of the field, spreading the money out and 2) the novice bettors who make race-day selections based on names, numbers, looks and quick glances at the past performances.

The latter will result in a good deal of money being bet on Uncle Mo and Soldat for their 100+ Speed figures and a fair amount on horses like Dialed In and Comma for the number of races they have won.  So a horse like AAA may very well end up at 10-1 or longer.

I agree with many here on Animal Kingdom too.  For a horse with no dirt experience, I'm really warming up to him as a live longshot.

Stones 03 May 2011 5:54 PM

But Draynay, I thought you said Uncle Mo was invincible, that nobody would stand between him and his Triple Crown. Now you say you like Brilliant Speed, Archarcharch, Santiva and Soldat? The horse that's better than Secretariat might lose to one of those four? It looks to me like you're trying to make a smooth transition before you jump ship!

The horse to beat is Dialed In. He has won a grade 3, grade 1, and has faced older horses this year! Uncle Mo has done none of those things.

Stevebiscuit 03 May 2011 6:16 PM

Plum Pretty "happy as a duck."  She could move up with an off track.  Baffert's pretty high with her Churchill "off track" works.  

I think the race is between the two Tapits and it won't be hard to keep track of them. I just think Zazu is going to love the additional ground and get the better of Joyful Victory who's been smashing much weaker.  

Householder 03 May 2011 7:20 PM

Earth to Sniper.  Beyer does not equal clock.  The CLOCK tells me Dialed In is slow.  He will not hit the board he is another Pyro.

Draynay 03 May 2011 7:34 PM

The longshots I like and will be playing at probably huge odds are:

Master of Hounds( just too good to leave out), Twice the Appeal( capable of a long sustained move,will love the distance, and Calvin suits this horse perfectly; will history repeat?) and Watch Me Go ( I'm tossing his last race, and expect a big turn around in the Derby, he will be huge!)

This Derby is so unpredictable that I don't feel good about any horse, so why not take a chance on a couple of long shots.  

predict 03 May 2011 9:32 PM

The longshots I like and will be playing at probably huge odds are:

Master of Hounds( just too good to leave out), Twice the Appeal( capable of a long sustained move,will love the distance, and Calvin suits this horse perfectly; will history repeat?) and Watch Me Go ( I'm tossing his last race, and expect a big turn around in the Derby, he will be huge!)

This Derby is so unpredictable that I don't feel good about any horse, so why not take a chance on a couple of long shots.  

predict 03 May 2011 9:32 PM

I will definitely have AAA everywhere in my bets (Oaks Derby double, P3, P4, EX, Tri).  I will not however have any horses over 20-1 on my tickets.  

As much as I like Dialed In, Shackleford and Pants on Fire they will not be on top of my tickets, as all three have Storm Cat in their pedigree and there has yet to be a winner with Storm Cat in his bloodline.

Longshot buyers keep in mind:

- that in the last 7 years the betting public has had the favorite or second favorite in first place 5 times (Mine that Bird, Giacomo being the exceptions).

- of the 30 horses that have been in the exacta over the last 15 years only 7 have had odds over 21-1 (2005 had Giacomo at 50-1 and Closing Argument at 71-1) meaning only 1 out of every 3 years there is a horse greater than 21-1 in the exacta.

- the tail end of the trifecta has had one horse in the last 15 years at odds over 20-1 (Denis of Cork 2008) and none of the 15 horses in this spot has been worse than the 9th betting choice.

In summation, out of the 45 horses figured in the trifecta there has only been 8 horses (18%) over 21-1 odds to hit the board.  However they have hit the board 7 of the 15 years, so choose wisely as we did not have a horse over 20-1 hit last year.

I will wait for post position draw to name my bets, but I will have this recent history in mind when I finally settle on my bets.

TJLuvsTizs 03 May 2011 10:22 PM

1st - Mucho Macho Man with his new 'glue on shoes'.

2nd - Shackleford - peaking at the right time, never better and will show Florida Derby wasn't a fluke.

3rd - Nehro

4th - Archarcharch

5th - Dialed In

Book it!

Zenyatta John 03 May 2011 10:55 PM

draynay

Lol

i was looking for prices and i was going to use toby's corner, brilliant speed and AAA in a Tri box but now since he's out im unsure who to go with to replace him. santiva does intrigue me cause he won at churchill. but how do you know if he's good enough? thats my opinion on him. i like animal kingdom's workout but im waiting on what post he gets cause that will help me know if he'll get a decent trip if he gets the 19 hole for example i will not use him as well as the 1 and 2 hole etc. if its wet i'll throw pants on fire in there due to his work.

i liked toby's corner because he beat uncle mo and  because he seemed to be the only legit horse in the feild imo.

thomas 03 May 2011 11:26 PM

master of hound i like also but will he handle the dirt?

king mambo is the only dirt in his pedigree

thomas 03 May 2011 11:29 PM

All good choices Jason, I still like Stay Thirsty to run a big race but I'm sticking with Uncle Mo to win, that's assuming he is healthy. Truth is, all the bickering in the world doesn't mean anything, we all know anything can happen in this race. Recent history has proven that.

Folks should let other folks pick who they like, talk doesn't cash tickets. We can make a case for pretty 15 horses in this race, it's that wide open. If Mo was himself then I believe it is no contest but I don't have a crystal ball and the horse can't tell us how he feels. It's a different game in today's world......  

The Deacon 04 May 2011 1:49 AM

Hi everyone,

I agree that Brilliant Speed has a very strong pedigree for the Classic distance races.  He is out of Speed Succeeds, by the pensioned Gone West.  Speed Succeeds is out of Daijin, who is a full-sister to Belmont Stakes winner, Touch Gold, and a ½ sister to Canadian champion With Approval. Daijin was a great broodmare, producing Canadian stars, Handpainted, and Serenading.

-Bunny

Bunny Hinzman 04 May 2011 7:54 AM

Householder, looks like Friday might be best for ducks, (quack quack), even though I like the Tapit "sisters" too.

Master of Hounds (I love this name by the way) is still interesting to me, I love his tiny sheet coming off the van... "hey, does this blanket make my butt look HUGE?"

Im not sure hes ready but he has a good look real KD kinda blood, twice the starts (albiet not at 3) and there is no reason he couldnt get the dirt, Wish he already had a trip over it but he has at least been over surface. I like him better yet if its Off going.

My question is how will he The very real effect of the CD Kick back impact a lot of these colts coming off front end wins and poly. Hmmmm.  

Zen's Auntie 04 May 2011 11:32 AM

Now I'm confused.

Bluegrass-1:50:4/5

Florida Derby-1:50

Wood-1:49:4/5

Arkansas Derby-1:49:1/5

Santa Anita Derby-1:48:3/5

Who has the fastest "Clock Time?"

Uncle Mo has always been in front at the 3/4 call.  In addition to fixing the bug, Petcher is now re-training this horse to rate?  His 1:12:1/5 and 1:13: 3/5 to the 3/4er puts him a good 1 second behind Comma to the Top.  He goes with Comma he is cooked.  He does not make the lead he's done.  He gets a 110 Beyer for some pretty "average" spits at 1 1/16th.  23, 47, 111 4/5 and 142 and change.  Your telling me no other horse in a field of 22 is capable of this.  I'm not buying it.  

Householder 04 May 2011 11:58 AM

Householder,

draynay hasn't figured it out yet that last years races mean little when you haven't run well this year. Last year he was stuck all over with RA even as she fizzled and struggled to get back to the figs she ran the year prior. What he doesn't know or refuses to acknowledge is that her figs and Mo's figs were achieved the year before against lesser competition than they were/are facing the next year. Even claiming horses can run faster figs when they meet up with weaker competition. I'll take a horse who ran a 98 beyer against Zenyatta anyday over a horse who ran a 103 against what RA and Mo faced last year and the year prior.  

gw bushwacker 04 May 2011 12:44 PM

zenyatta john

brother derek had glue on shoes when he ran in the derby and it costed him the race.  

  just thought i put it out there

thomas 04 May 2011 1:01 PM

Take a look at Uncle Mo's Breeder's Cup, his longest win, and the Real Quiet stakes at Hollwood Park.  

Breeder's Cup

23 2/5, 47 1/5, 1:11 4/5 and 1:42 3/5 with Mo winning by 4 lengths. 110 Beyer.

23 2/5, 46 4/5, 1:11 4/5 and 1:43 2/5 with Comma to the top by 6 lenghts.  92 Beyer or 18 points lower than Mo.  Comma has come back twice now, on different surfaces with 1:11 4/5 (at 1 1/16th) and 1:11 2/5 (at 1 1/8th).

The "Clock" does not lie for this year's Spanish Chestnut.  He is going to have Mo by the neck pretty early or vice versa.  

He's scrappy, he has Valezuela, so the "plan" is pretty transparent, and he does not like to let horses pass.  

Householder 04 May 2011 1:35 PM

In looking for info on a bit of rumor, (I couldn't confirm or deny by the way, AnneM more info if you get it Please, I'm agonizing here.) I saw a fairly new article on DRF basicly about how Mo is not a Lock to run Saturday. Plus the track could be sealed soup, is that really what they want for him? Anyway, Im glad they are keeping the stagedoor exit unlocked ...

IF <= BIG, if I know, but if he defects, Welcome aboard Sway Away - question now is, who gets the mount now that Borel is on TTA - hypotheticly speaking here of course, Johnny could pick it up, right?

Zen's Auntie 04 May 2011 1:47 PM

Stevebiscuit, in order to hit the Tri and Super you have to bet on more than 1 horse.  I have decided to box 6 horses if the track is listed as fast.  Uncle Mo, Santiva, MMM, Soldat, Nehro, and Archarch.  If it comes up sloppy I will drop MMM and Santiva and replace them with Brillian Speed and Midnight Interlude.  Bushwacker, you are going to have to come to grips with the FACT that Rachel beat G1 winning males on dirt 3 times and Zenyatta NEVER did.  The 1 time she had the chance she choked.  She lost big time.  Get over it.  She was a poly horse whoopeee.

Draynay 04 May 2011 2:52 PM

Zen's Auntie. There are rumors that they may wait until Saturday afternoon to scratch him. you can read about on the courier journal website. Also heard that Dialed In took a bad step and may be on the fence as well... Sway Away will not make it in b/c he is not part of the 22 going thru the starter box. WTF is going on...

Billy's Empire 04 May 2011 3:10 PM

hey Jason this ole rolo i sign up under one my favorite s[printers.

better watch out for ANIMAL KINGDOM has the move that wins alot of derbys, that middle/to far turn burst and has stamina to go right on in a field/ let face it aalot going be backing up.  key him over.  TWINSPIRED,STAY THIRSTY,SHACKLFORD,DERBY KITTEN,MIDNITE INTERLUDE.   concerningnews on ALBRADO as he has facial injury but talk to one of his handlers and ROBBY says he be ready.

5starday 04 May 2011 3:17 PM

Good point gw bushwacker.  None of these times come close to Hoedown's Day's performance of 1:38 2/5 for 1 1/16 at the Bay Meadows Fair!  That world record has stood for 28 years.  

Householder 04 May 2011 4:16 PM

Mike Battaglia took a shot at the draynay's of the world when he explained why he dropped his morning line odds on Twice The Appeal from 50/1 to 20/1 when Borel took the mount. He said the odds line is what he believes people will bet the horses to, not what he believes the horses chances are and he dropped the odds because people who don't know what they are doing (aka draynay) will bet the horse because Borel is on. By the way good luck with your 1,12,18,19 part of your box draynay. The only way any of those combinations have to finish 1-2 is if the rest of the field drops down and takes a nap in the gate as it opens!!

slyder 04 May 2011 6:08 PM

Zen's Auntie,

If Mo drops out they will go with 19 horses. The field is closed. Let's hope he stays in, I want to take some more of draynay's money.

the_wiz 04 May 2011 6:16 PM

well we all know one thing uncle mo ain't winning the derby. 18? get out of hear. same with nehro, the 19 hole never had a winner.

AAA got screwed that's how i felt as well as brilliant speed but animal kingdom is in a good spot now if he can handle the (slop?) kick back and midnight interlude doesn't cut him off lol.

thomas 04 May 2011 6:33 PM

I can see Brilliant Speed and Midnight Interlude if the track comes up wet or is sealed.  Look at MI's maiden score by 8 (45 3/5, finishing in 136 1/5).  All on the front end.  It rained every other day during the Santa Anita winter meet.  He's shooting bullets over the churchill muck.  

Householder 04 May 2011 7:03 PM

The vanity of Repole and Pletcher will try and destroy Uncle Mo by running him, but the track vets will force the scratch on the morning of the race and save the horse.    

CharlieCigar 04 May 2011 7:35 PM

Draynay : With all your talk about UM being 10 lengths better than anyone running this year shows you have no idea when it comes to horse racing.  Keep doing what you're doing though.  How about posting how much you're betting on Borel ??

Funny how you show not even an inkling of confidence on Uncle Mo, boxing 6 horses.  All that talk fizzled to what you really know about horse racing, nothing...everytime you post something, you prove it. LOL

Jason : Still think Uncle Mo will win if he makes it to the gate out of the 18 hole?  Good thing for you, they will most likely scratch him and rightly so.  Who's your next horse after UM ?  

The Rock : Who you playing ?  My sleeper is Twinspired.   I think he got the best post draw in the whole field with his style of running.  All the speed are outside or inside of him so they will all try and gun it from the gate and he won't have to exert too much to get in good position.  He'll be overlooked and will run at 35-1 or higher.  He's by Harlan's Holiday so I'm pretty sure he can get the 10F.  He'll be on or near the lead at the top of the stretch.  If I do bet outside of my pick Dialed In, it will be on him.  Good luck to all!  Hope the horses run their best, and every one comes out in good health!

I'll post some of my bets on Friday after I make the bets :)

JayJay 04 May 2011 8:25 PM

Afleet!!!!!! Nehro is tired horse!!!! wheel him?  HA HA!! man....not much has changed in 3 years.....you are dead wrong!!!

KY VET 04 May 2011 8:27 PM

CharlieCigar : I have faith that Repole will make that decision closer to the race and will scratch him if he doesn't believe he is 100%.  This owner has not shown any indication that the Derby is more important than the horse.  The question in my mind is, what is Mike R's definition of 100% when considering the field.  He seems like a smart guy, my money is that he will scratch him.  UM's 2 workouts of 5Fs is not enough to give him bottom coming off of an infection.  Almost half of the field that worked out at CD did really well.  This is the first time UM will be running against a legitimate tough field and it's at 10F.  I hope MikeR makes the right decision.  To be honest, I think UM is now a smokescreen.  I think MikeR really believe his other horse is the better of the two for this race...I agree with him.  Use UM to take the money and unload on Stay Thirsty ?? Not a bad plan if you ask me :)  (Wait for it, Draynay will now start posting about Stay Thirsty because I said something about him and use Dominguez as an excuse LOL)

JayJay 04 May 2011 8:33 PM

Draynay, is it that hard for you to admit that you were wrong? That perhaps Uncle Mo isn't the next Secretariat? And whatever happened to your stance that Santa Anita Derby winners can't win the Kentucky Derby? Now you're throwing Midnight Interlude in there? Don't say it's because you think he might hit the board because you wouldn't be boxing your superfecta if you thought he couldn't win. You go back on your word so much I wouldn't be surprised if you had once argued for Zenyatta as Horse Of The Year. Oh wait, you DID do that!!! Remember Dray? Think back to 2008! "Q&A With Zenyatta Trainer John Shirreffs" ring a bell?

Bushwacker, take everything Draynay says with a grain of salt. He's like a child starved for attention and will say anything to get a rise out of people. He's just upset that the horse he had been bashing for 3 years will go down as one of the greatest of all time. History always wins. Remember, his definition of greatness is Uncle Mo, and he already thinks 5 horses from this insanely weak crop of 3 year olds are capable of beating him.

Stevebiscuit 04 May 2011 9:02 PM

If I had to box 6 horses which two are changeable to another two I look for some 5K claimer I could actually pick--amateurs with egos.

How that for advice? ---Professional Gambler aka "newbie"

Trying to help. I may not cash the Derby but "if" I cash well on another race betting into those fantastic pools I will give credit to those who picked the Derby winner. Then smuggly put all the money made available in less high profile races in the bank.

sniper1 04 May 2011 9:16 PM

Just wanna say that I AM HERE, in Kentucky.  IT IS COLD!!  I thought it was supposed to be in the Southern US!

Anyways, still like Dialed In, MOH, Soldat and Brilliant Speed -- with Shackleford as my 5th.

Ted: Look for me at Gate 17 with my sign: I (heart) Ted from LA on Oaks Day.  I will make it there come hell or high water (there's a lot of that around here too) at about 11:30 or 12:00.

Good luck to all (just remember, my choices are usually 4th, 7th, 8th and 13th.)

mz 04 May 2011 9:35 PM

Draynay if you ever say the Queen "choked" again I am going to choke you. She did not choke. She missed by a 6 inches after one of the greatest runs down the stretch, ever seen by anybody, anywhere. On another note, I am beginning to think the longshot is Uncle Mo the way people are talking about him. They want to run him that's clear. I think tomorrow will be the deciding factor. If he has any issues at all, they will pull him out. My longshot is Pants On Fire.

Paula Higgins 04 May 2011 9:44 PM

JASON

Recall you stating couple months back Misremembered was a slam dunk for winning in Nov. There's zero mention of injuries. Obviously something is amiss. What gives?

Mike Relva 04 May 2011 10:47 PM

BILLY'S EMPIRE

What's your opinion of chances of MO running?

Mike Relva 04 May 2011 10:49 PM

Testing.  1-2... testing.  Bob from Boston is new to this blog.  What an entertaining lot you all seem to be.  Where are mz, Single in LA and anyone else camping out Gate 17 Friday and Saturday?  sherpa, if Ted from LA doesn't show up for you to carry his sh**, would you switch horses and carry mine?  Decisive Moment is going to win the Derby and Pants on Fire will get second.  Bob from Boston has spoken.  trackjack, I not only want to meet you this weekend, I want to steal your wife.  ~Bob

Bob from Boston 05 May 2011 12:25 AM

Ugh....PP 1.  I retract my comment about emptying my wallet.  My value bet $$$ are looking elsewhere.  Soldat?  Shackleford?

Stones 05 May 2011 6:56 AM

Drawing Gate 1 puts Archx3 at an extreme disadvantage, especially with Borel, eager to get on the rail, coming out of Post 3 on Twice The Appeal.  I thought the Arkansas Derby was one of the best, but the way Machen and wilkinson have stepped up makes me re-think the LA Derby and include Pants On Fire as a top runner, especially with the way he covers the slop so effortlessly.  And I'm certainly rooting for Rosie to be the first female jockey to win the Roses.  But CTTT is erratic and may take POF wide with a bad trip, since he's right inside of POF.  

I believe the best bred colts are Pants On Fire, Shackleford, and Stay Thirsty.

Slew 05 May 2011 8:20 AM

Mo looked strong in his gallop today, but then again he looks good every time he is the track. His issues are internal and that's a tough to to assess. All they can go by in how he is eating and their gut feeling. My gut feeling is that he will not run. If he does, he's talented enough to win but difficult to back. You have to be peaking to win a race like this normally, and it doesnt look like he is.

I'll be back with a picks blog tomorrow. Right now, likeing Soldat more and more.

Jason Shandler 05 May 2011 10:53 AM

Everything I hear from my buddy in Louisville is that Mo will not be running.  Wish they hadn't entered him so Sway Away could have gotten in.  He would have been a live horse in this bunch.

2:24 05 May 2011 11:02 AM

Paula : I'll cheer you on (with pom poms even) with regards to the choke comment lol.  Draynay just doesn't get it, he doesn't know anything about horse racing, he proves it everytime he posts a comment.  He's a closet Zenyatta fan (just like Jason is).  

KY VET : He ran in 2 races this year, one was a public workout which of course does not take anything out of any horse.  The other, he was a very very tired horse, his trainer even said so. I get the feeling you'll unload on Uncle Mo if he makes it to the gate ??  I'll throw this out there for you, two 5F workouts and an infection all within 2 weeks of a 10Furlong race with 19 other horses coming from the 18th hole.  Just in case you missed that bit of info.  I really thought that's pretty obvious.  Good luck on your bet.

JayJay 05 May 2011 11:08 AM

Jason;

I agree that Pants On Fire is going to be overlooked. What was really impressive about his performance is that he wasn't stopping -- he closed his final eighth in a strong :12 3/5.

I like Decisive Moment as a potential longshot to hit the board. In the Spiral Stakes, he pressed a very quick pace while racing four wide throughout and still hung on well for second. I like that he's been at Churchill for over a month now, training over the main track.

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 05 May 2011 11:25 AM

Not understanding all the love for Soldat. His two wins at 9f came after getting easy leads with :48 halfs. As soon as he was faced with a :46 half like he's gonna see here he folded. I can see the wet track angle I suppose but Pants on Fire seems to be the better longshot pick. Soldat seems to be approaching "wise guy horse" status at this point now that everyone is backing off Nehro because of his post, which I'm not convinced will be that much of a detriment to his running style.

Monarchos Matt 05 May 2011 11:28 AM

Paula ? One of the greatest stretch runs ?  That belongs to Affirmed in the Belmont.  She didn't even have the best stretch run of the day !  That belonged to Dakota Phone !  Now THAT was a great stretch run.  She caught a perfect closing track and lost.  She was a good poly horse nothing more.

Draynay 05 May 2011 12:13 PM

Pretty easy shot for Comma to the Top to the first turn.  He leads for at least 3/4ers softening up all the cheap speed on the front but may be still hanging around a bit.  Mo, gets shuffled back to 7th-8th into the first turn a place he has NEVER ran from.  He is now running 3 wide or he gets trapped 3 deep.  He now either waits for a hole to open up around the far turn with Comma backing up against the rail (bad move) cause Pat V is going to have him 6 inches off that thing, or has to make 3-4 swift right turns around horses in deep strecth getting Mo clear.  

I'm sitting here looking at Mo's running line.  They have to take him completely out of his game.

They wouldn't give you $200,000 on a $2.00 super if this was easy.

I think we need to hear from the folks who had Super Saver prior to the Derby.

Householder 05 May 2011 12:17 PM

Earlier in the Week team Rapole[sp] said he is going to bet the house to make UM the fave now it is 2 days out and they are unsure?

Another website I have read has been saying for a week now he is not running and I believe he is not..I was never on the Mo bandwagon I hope he does run to take $$$ off my horse but overall if you do not know if your horse is ready less than 72 hours out come on..

Johnny 05 May 2011 12:28 PM

Stevebiscuit, sick horses don't win the Derby and sadly it doesn't sound like he will be in the gate.  And yes I will use Midnight Interlude only if it comes up sloppy.  I am boxing 6 horses and will pick them based on track conditions.  Earlier races will tell me if speed is holding or if it's a closing track.  If speed is holding and Mo is out I think Jason is right.  Soldat with his speed figures tower over this field.  The Florida Derby is a toss as it was really hot that day and some horses just don't like the heat.  Comma Top is going to the lead and Shackleford will hang just off his backside with Soldat just off his.  Something 47+ I think speed will hold.  The closer you get to 46 the more you bring in the closers.  If speed is holding I think Soldat is the winner and if track is allowing closers to close I think Nehro from Gate 18 will be fine with all the speed on his inside.

Draynay 05 May 2011 12:34 PM

Thomas if speed is holding it's hard not to like or have Soldat and Shackleford on your ticket.  Prior races will tell you how the track is playing.

Draynay 05 May 2011 12:41 PM

Glad to see you're making sense again, was really surprised when you made some draynay comments in the live blog proclaiming UM as the winner if he makes it to the gate but I think it was just the "moment" and the lack of standout.   I think Steve H is in the same position having put UM at the top of his Derby Dozen.

JayJay 05 May 2011 12:54 PM

DRAYNAY

And where did QR finish,LAST? You know the same QR that was going to blow by Zenyatta and win HOY. Did you watch Sixty Minutes or shoot your tv screen cause something upset you? lmao

Mike Relva 05 May 2011 1:21 PM

draynay,

The more you say the more it shows how pathetic almost all of your posts are. Now you are boxing 6 horses when you have said Mo is a lock to win for months? A lock means nobody else has a chance and now you are backpeddling as fast as you can from that. People warned you for months that anything can happen until the Derby and you blasted them. Ironic to see Soldat in those 6 as you ripped him mercilessly as being too slow. You also claimed the LA Derby was so weak they might as well not bother but now 3 of the 6 in your box come out of that race. You have ranted for years about how terrible you think any California horse is but now you will play one if the track comes up off. Brilliant Speed ran his best race on polytrack and you'll play him if it comes up off as well after blasting horses who run on that kind of surface as second rate. All this flys against everything you have ridiculed horses and people for. What a piece of work you are.  

mr pibb 05 May 2011 1:54 PM

My April 26th Derby Dozen top 5:

1-DIALED IN 2-Brilliant Speed 3-Soldat 4-ArchArchArch 5-Shackleford

Since then I have upgraded ArchArchArch to my #2 spot, Brilliant Speed #3, Soldat #4, and Shackleford #5. Uncle Mo and Stay Thirsty are not even in my top 12 radar, they are tosses in my racing form.

ArchArchArch is the 10-1 4th choice and Soldat is 12-1, neither of these horses are longshots.

According to the final times, I would give the edge to ArchArchArch in the AK Derby. Even though the S.A. Derby final time was faster, the track itself is insainly fast and the final times are not to be trusted.

I am expecting plenty of pace in the KY Derby from Shackleford and others. The pace will be tracked smartly by ArchArchArch and Soldat. These battles up front are going to set the race up nicely for the closers. I am expecting ArchArchArch to have the lead at the 1/8 pole. I just do not know if he can hold off the late charge of Dialed In, Brilliant Speed, and a few others.

It's to bad that Uncle Mo was not an early scratch. They are wasting the public's time and ruined the chances of Sway Away's bid for the roses.

Forbidden Apple 05 May 2011 2:04 PM

DRAYNAY

You must got sick when you heard the results for HOY. lmao

Mike Relva 05 May 2011 2:10 PM

THE WINNER SATURDAY WILL BE EITHER DIALED IN OR MMM

Mike Relva 05 May 2011 2:11 PM

Draynay : She won the HOTY, get over it man.  It was a deserving award, she beat a very good Classic field 2 years in a row.  There's only 3 of you that are still mad about it :)  I'd say give it up on Zen, she is more than you can handle, and then some.

You on the other hand, can't pick a winner last year and still can't pick a winner this year.  All you do is post nonsense hoping you'd hit it right one day.  Don't get me wrong, if you do what you say you do and bet big money on WIN bets, please KEEP DOING IT :) We like having more of your money in the pool.    

Remember this ? That was only 12 days ago LOL...

Midnight Interlude is a toss !!!

draynay 23 Apr 2011 2:26 PM

JayJay 05 May 2011 2:30 PM

If UM scratches that moves AAA out to the two hole correct?

Johnny 05 May 2011 2:31 PM

More sad news coming out of the Pletcher camp.  The death of Devil May Care to cancer during Derby week is a huge downer. And now Mo's illness...can't seem to catch a break.  Both should serve to remind us that in the end these are live, living animals.  

Householder 05 May 2011 2:46 PM

Draynay : If Mike Repole (not Todd Pletcher) comes out on Friday and says UM is 100% healthy and ready for the Derby, I take it he'll be a single on your tickets ?

Jason : Same question, would you put him back on top ?

The Rock : Where are your picks ?  I want to see who you'll play in the Oaks/Derby double.  I'm going to bet 3 $10 combinations but not sure who to pick in the Oaks.  I'm looking at Gomez' horse which was recently purchased just to run in the Oaks and probably PP and Zazu with Dialed In.

JayJay 05 May 2011 2:46 PM

Zazu ran the last 3/8th of the Santa Anita Oaks in 29.90.  That's a motor!  Joyfull's closing on the other hand...looks good jogging out against Grade-2 but nothing inspiring. And her 2 grade 1 tries resulted in a loss.  I think Zazu can tackle her in the stretch.  There seems to be plenty of speed for this set up.

Householder 05 May 2011 4:12 PM

SPMEONE SAID THEY WANNA HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WH HAD SUPER SAVER....I DID...I'VE HAD 4 OF LAST 5....WHY IS THERE SO MUCH HATE FOR MO? IT'S BIZARRE! HE WAS A GREAT 2 YR OLD...YOU SAY DRAYNAY IS AN IDIOT... FOR PICKING 2YR OLD CHAMP? AGAINST WEAK GROUP? HOW IS THAT A BAD PICK? WIN OR LOSE?...IT'S NOT...I TOLD YOU THE FACTOR WOULDN'T RUN...AND I'M TELLING YOU MO WILL RUN.....HOW DO I KNOW THIS? BECAUSE APPARENTLY, I'M THE ONLY ONE WITH COMMON SENSE...IT'S FUNNY...YOU ALL ARE BEING FOOLED....HE WILL RUN....AND I KEEP HEARING 18TH HOLE IS BAD!  ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS? YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IS A GREAT POST? SOMEONE EVEN SAID HE IS GOING TO GO 3 WIDE!  WOOOOOO! 3 WIDE? REALLY? THAT IS PERFECT! FIRST OF ALL...TRAFFIC CAN KILL YOU THIS RACE! 2ND OF ALL ..LONG LONG WAY TILL 1ST TURN! 3RD..HORSES RELAX ON OUTSIDE.....BAD POST?? TOTAL IGNORANCE!!! MO MAY LOSE IF NOT RIGHT....LIKE ANY HORSE! YOU PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS GAME...SOMEONE SAID ONLY 2 WORKS SINCE LAST RACE.....SO WHAT?? HE'S IN SHAPE!!!  DRAYNAY! WHY ARE YOU LISTENING TO THE HYPE?  HE WILL RUN.....

KY VET 05 May 2011 4:24 PM

AS FAR A ZENYATTA'S GREATNESS....SHE WAS EVEN BETTER THAN SHE SHOWED ON THE RACETRACK....WHY? SHE NEVER HAD TO RUN FAST....SHE HARDLY TRIED IN MOST OF HER RACES! SHE WOULD TRAIL FIELD, MIKE WOULD ASK HER...SHE WOULD FLY UP TO THEM. AND PULL HERSELF UP....EVERY TIME...! SHE NEVER FULLY GOT FASTER AND FASTER..SHE DIDNT HAVE TO......WHICH IS ALSO WHY SHE STAYED SOUND! SHE RAN EASY...

KY VET 05 May 2011 4:34 PM

Mike, the fact that she never won east of the Mississippi and never beat males on dirt is enough to make me laugh and smile daily.  Jayjay, give it a rest I post some of my winners and you never have and never will.  Keep talking it's all you got.  Mr. Pibb grow up.  Uncle Mo is a sick horse.  Things happen and it's a shame because he had a chance to go all the way.  Many you seem to relish the fact that he is sick.  Midnight IS A TOSS on dry ground but you cannot throw him out in the slop and it is looking more and more like it is going to be wet.

The big question is does Comma come out and run like Spanish Chestnut and ruin the Derby or does he run solid fractions around 23+ and 47+.  The wetter it is the more you have to like Shackleford and Soldat battling to the wire.  Today speed was holding and I took advantage of it.  Who knows what tomorrow will bring.

Draynay 05 May 2011 5:06 PM

Dray, Dakota Phone was running down a horse who went 22.2, 44.4, 1:09.2. The race fell into his lap. It is much more difficult for one closer to run down another closer, especially when the latter had everything his own way and was running over a familiar surface. Like Jayjay said, get over it! Your petty comments will have no bearing on history! The only time you were ever right about the queen was when you said she was the true 2008 HOTY!

Stevebiscuit 05 May 2011 5:24 PM

Everything I hear from my buddy in Louisville is that Mo will not be running.  Wish they hadn't entered him so Sway Away could have gotten in.  He would have been a live horse in this bunch.

2:24 05 May 2011 11:02 AM

It's to bad that Uncle Mo was not an early scratch. They are wasting the public's time and ruined the chances of Sway Away's bid for the roses.

Forbidden Apple 05 May 2011 2:04 PM

Both these horses have distance limitations.

tcc 05 May 2011 6:19 PM

What have I been telling you all for months now? Unca Schmoe will not win the Ky Derby!! I warned people not to waste any money in the futures on him. This horse has been a toss since the beginning of the year and his bizarre training regimen.

As for you unca draynay give it up. It's time for you to take a seat under the bleachers. You laughed at anyone who dared mention another horse other than mo. Now you are naming more horses everyday that you say can win. The count is fast approaching half the field or more. Your pick was mo, he was a lock, no matter what you say when another horse wins you were DEAD WRONG AS PER USUAL!! You are the worst handicapper I have seen on this blog.  

no_mo _mo 05 May 2011 6:57 PM

DRAYNAY

Your pal Repole stated if he had a vote would've voted for Zenyatta for HOY. He thinks she's a great horse. An east coast guy!

Mike Relva 05 May 2011 7:08 PM

DRAYNAY

Stevebiscuit is right,you have ZERO bearing on history. Also,so much for Uncle Mo being better than Secretariat. You look very foolish.

Mike Relva 05 May 2011 7:10 PM

I actually think Dray has some of this.  Comma could run off after he burns the cheap speed (In fact he might still have the lead at the top of the stretch) setting it up for closers.  He's 10 for 13 in front at the second call on 5 different racing surfaces (45 2/5-47 1/5).  The only thing that has beat him is true grade 1 sprinting ability which I don't see in this race. Not even close. The factor is gone. How Comma runs will have an impact.   Sub 47 with Pat V. and he becomes a Spanish Chestnut.  Now where is my Giacomo?  And MI had a nice 8 length win over a wet Santa Anita track (setting some fast fractions out front).  Toss the grade 1 winner with the fastest Derby prep for 1 1/8th of 1:48 and change? Your not at least interested in what Baffert is up to?  He gives you bullets no matter where he trains.  He's worth a look on a superfecta box.

And for Dakota Phone...he chased all the good company out west.  Hollendorfer "dropped" him where he could be competitive.  He typically won't run unless he thinks they have a shot (e.g., the prior claimer Lilly Fa Pootz).  The biggest race of Dakota's life but I think it was legit.

Pants on Fire?  He looked like prior Derby winners weaving all over the track in his LA Derby win.  Are you sure he was not just tired.  

Householder 05 May 2011 7:31 PM

DRAYNAY

Agree with you Mo is a sick horse and I told you weeks ago would like nothing better to see him healthy going into the Derby. Having said that,this is the FIRST I've ever known you to acknowledge a horses' health. Could it be cause you're on him? I wonder.

Mike Relva 05 May 2011 7:49 PM

Dray has spoken so run, don't walk to the windows to bet Dialed In. The Florida Derby was a bit slow, but so what. This is not a spectacular crop. None of the preps were very fast time. Plus he has a proven Derby winning trainer in Nick Zito. I do agree with Soldat and Shackleford. Arch x 3 would be right in there but now we'll see if he can overcome the rail post.

Last but not least, after Zito just barely lost last year, the Derby Gods certainly will be on his side!

Leave Dialed In off your exactas and Trifectas at your own risk.

Old Timer 05 May 2011 9:07 PM

Zazu is the class in the Oaks and Dialed In is a man amongst boys in the Derby,that's all you need to know.

Oaks:  Zazu on top w/Joyful Victory,Plum Pretty,Kathmanblu & Summer Soiree boxed underneath exotics.

Derby:  20 horse field= traffic/trouble, so I'm going to box Dialed In,Stay Thirsty,Nehro,Pants On Fire & Midnight Interlude. Then I might put some funds on Borel just because he'll hog the rail from the #3 spot ... sound familiar?

Carlos in Cali 05 May 2011 9:57 PM

Jason,

Caught up with Jon Court this morning to talk AAA and his trip from the rail. Goodluck with your Derby pick

thederbydream.com 05 May 2011 10:00 PM

Forbidden Apple,

I do not like some in your top 5. Below are comments on those I dislike:

Archarcharch is a feel good family affair story. However, his chance of being in the top three is remote.  No stallion that has ever double with Breeder Cup Classic winner followed by derby winner. Mr. Pletcher’s allowance winner finished very close to AAA and that is an indication he is not that good.  His one draw will leave him trapped and in any event there are several horses that have better top three potential.  

Soldat is not a 10F horse and he is short on class for the derby. In his two dirt race victories he defeated second stringers when the top horse did not fire. When THAS and Shackleford showed up he was nowhere to be found. His time are slow and I cannot see them improving for the derby.

Recommended replacements:

Master Of Hounds: He has the pedigree, stamina, class and possibly the best trainer of rout horses. The connections would not send him just get an invite to the owners Derby Party.

Derby Kitten: I think he is an extremely live contender. His derby prep was the best for 2011 as he was the only horse geared down at the end of any of the preps. All other derby prep winners in the field were fully extended. Those that did not win their final preps were also fully extended. The last 16th of the Lexington was timed in 5.93 with him in hand. If the final time for the Lexington of 1:42.03 if extrapolated to 9F using the time for the final 16th he would have covered 9F in 1:47.86. This time would be the fastest for the distance on any surface. Such a time is unheard of on the Keeneland surface His sire Kitty’s Joy won or place in multiple 12F & 10F races and it appear he has inherited his sire stamina. I encourage you to revisit his Lexington performance. If he is able to transfer it to dirt he will be in front in the last 16th. I have not seen an easier 8 1/2Fvictory by a 3YO all season. I rate his victory above that of The Factor’s in the Southwest. Can he run on dirt? I am hoping as if he gets into the top 4 the payoffs will be big.

Twinspire could run a big race as his Blugrass runner up performance was better than it appeared. Horses rarely win on the rails at Keeneland. He had no option but to save ground and take that path.  Last year runner-up Paddy O Prado found himself there and Stately Victory ran by him easily. That part of the track is a death trap for those who chose to venture there.

Coldfacts 05 May 2011 10:08 PM

Draynay, apparently we were not watching the same Breeders Cup Classic 2010. As for Uncle Mo, I think they are heading towards not running him. I wonder what the real story is here in terms of his health? If his energy is up, he's eating well and Velasquez says he looks good, I don't get it.

Paula Higgins 05 May 2011 10:18 PM

Sitting here at Al J's in the Galt House sipping my Woodford Reserve onthe rocks.  Have seen workouts since Monday.  Some others, including Billy's Empire are much more attuned tithe goings on.  Thank you all for your inp

IMHO Archx3 has looked the best on track.

Soldat has impressed me with his mature and dogged determination.  

Shackleford has had long easy gallops and looks gorgeous.

MMM has the best and longest stride when the rider can get him to bear down and keep his mind on his business.

Leaning for win Soldat or Shackleford.  I think UM will go an be a mistake.  Leaving Dialed In out.

Anyone who wants to meet, let's do it at High Noon on Derby Day in the paddock in front of the Aristides statue.  I'll have my Panama/Cowboy Derby hat on holding a sign "Blog".  There are plenty of drink stands nearby.

Bob from Boston:

 My wife will stay in our 6th floor Sky Terrace table courtesy of Churchill Downs.  She thinks I'm nuts anyhow.

Ted from LA, mz, and others let's do it early, have a mint

julep and enjoy the Derby.  2:24 hope to see you again.

Was able to get into the Derby draw on Wednesday, thanks to CD.

Would also throw Pants on Fire intomy 5 horse box.

Good luck to all.  This is a dream come true trip.

trackjack 05 May 2011 10:24 PM

LOL Draynay, the one time you posted your famous $10 P3 bets, you missed TWO out of 3, and you were betting FAVORITES.  Oh wait, are we back to pics of winning tickets again?!?!  LOL, what a joke.  Like I said though, keep betting the same way you have been!

How much are you putting on Twice The Appeal ?? POST your bets on Calvin BEFORE the race, there's nothing to handicap there, you're betting the jockey.  Putting $500 WPS on him ?  Come on big man, you have that angle locked right ?  Kinda like UM will win 4 straight after the Timely Writer.  LOL

JayJay 05 May 2011 10:52 PM

Jayjay:

Midnight IS A TOSS on dry ground but you cannot throw him out in the slop and it is looking more and more like it is going to be wet.

The big question is does Comma come out and run like Spanish Chestnut and ruin the Derby or does he run solid fractions around 23+ and 47+.  The wetter it is the more you have to like Shackleford and Soldat battling to the wire.  Today speed was holding and I took advantage of it.  Who knows what tomorrow will bring.

Draynay 05 May 2011 5:06 PM

Nothing from Calif. will do anything, is there any calif. horses listed in the above post???

tcc 05 May 2011 11:30 PM

With less than 48 hours to the 137th Kentucky Derby there still seems to be much confusion about the likely outcome.  I'll say it again; I can see no major upset in this race on a dry/fast track.  The cream of the crop will rise to the top. There has been too much drama and uncertainty about Uncle Mo and I no longer fancy his chances in this race with him less than 100% ready.  

The race belongs to Dialed In and his brilliant trainer Nick Zito. His main threat will be Florida derby arch-rival, Shackleford.  The other emerging class horses in the race, Archarcharch, Mucho Macho Man, Soldat, Nehro and Animal Kingdom will be in a toss up for the minor placings.

Here's the likely pace scenario:  Crafty veteran jock Pat Valenzuela sends Comma To The Top to the front through a necessary fast opening quarter (Shackleford and Decisive Moment hot on his heels) and then attempts to slow down the fractions, trying the only realistic way of winning on 'Comma'.  His strategy will fail because its the Derby and there are a few "pace police types" like Uncle Mo, Pants On Fire and Mucho Macho Man watching him closely to prevent any sly attempts to steal the race on the front end.  My guess is that as soon as the pace relents a little, one of the "pace police" most likely Shackleford, will suddenly grab custody of the lead in a catch-me-if-you-can chase for the home stretch, thus stretching the stamina of the other front runners and throwing the mid-pack grinders like Archarcharch, Master Of Hounds, Twice The Appeal, Watch Me Go and Midnight Interlude into a tizzy, with all sorts of seams and gaps opening up for the closers to run into.  This scramble occurs at about the five-eights pole, at which time Dialed In would have begun to uncoil, catapulting pass plodders.

I guess that the fractions will be 22 and change x 46 and change x 1:10 and change x 1:36 for the mile.  Dialed In only has to run a 1:37 mile fraction to inhale the field in the final sixteenth of the long Churchill downs home stretch to win with a final time of 2:01 and change.

My only caveat on this scenario would be that if rain falls and makes the track sloppy, Soldat improves by about eight lengths and possibly wins the race but even so, Dialed in will be charging at them, come hell or high water.  Good luck to all.  

Ranagulzion 05 May 2011 11:39 PM

Any ignoramos who thinks that Dialed In is slow will become a laughing stock after the Derby.  This colt is a lightly raced, lightly trained, still-developing stretch running sensation that has already demonstrated a propensity to win his races, always going best at the death.  He's successfully made the leap from maiden to Graded Stakes winner in his second start and become a Grade one winner in his fourth start in the most stellar pre-Derby line up of 3YOs this year, closing against a speed bias and you're not impressed?  Ha Ha Ha.  He's a son of Mineshaft and grandson of pensioner AP Indy, which means that he should really peak mid-season (like Discreetly Mine did last year) and you're not a believer?  He is inbred multiple times to X-factor carrier Princequillo, top and bottom and you doubt that he'll stay ten furlongs?  His broodmare sire is Storm Cat and his second Dam, the illustrious Eliza, grand daughter of Blushing Groom and you think that he is slow?  Ha ha ha ha ...

Ignorance, it has been said is bliss to some ...but I'd say pityful in this case.  

There are basically only three colts with the potential to become a Triple Crown winner this season and Dialed In is the leading contender right now (Uncle Mo being compromised by health issues and a soft preparation).  The third one in my view would be Mucho Macho Man, the 'juvenile' (yet to turn exactly 3 years old) in the field, if he breaks out in the Derby.

KENTUCKY OAKS: Plum Pretty is my fancy to trample this Oaks field on Friday.  Her sire Medaglia D'oro (of Rachel Alexandra fame) is quite an awesome sire of good fillies. He is about to strike again with this Baffert trainee.  I like Holy Heavens as an outsider to make the frame.

Ranagulzion 06 May 2011 12:24 AM

YOU PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT UNCLE MO WILL NOT RUN?  JUST LIKE I TOLD YOU ...THE FACTOR WILL NOT RUN...MO IS GOING TO RUN!!!! YOU PEOPLE ARE WACKED IN THE HEAD....COMMON SENSE....GET READY FOR THE..."OH...HE'S FEELING GREAT...TURNED A CORNER...BACK TO THE OLD MO.....JUMPIN OUT OF HIS SKIN.....COAT DAPPLED.....I CAN SEE THE FUTURE! WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE!...AND UPSETS THIS WEEK WITH CHANCE...WIN/PLACE..SAT RACE7 HUM DISTAFF- AMEN HALLELUJAH..DUTROW BABY! OAKS....ZAZU..W/P   FRIDAY. LONGSHOT SPECIAL-RACE8-EIGHTBELLES STKS..HOME SWEET ASPEN...W/P.......I'M A PRO......I KNOW MO IS RUNNING....YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO SENSE.....

KY VET 06 May 2011 12:42 AM

Coldfacts

Derby Kitten to me would be a throw.  His only race on dirt was terrible, a maiden loss to To Honor and Serve.  His other races were on turf and his last on synthetics.  It was a fast race for sure, but Embur's Song, a filly, set the track record for 8.5 furlongs the day before and ran it 2/5ths faster, so the track was extremely fast when he ran his race.  Its' time for some of these trainers to place their horses where they have their best chance to win.  A horse with at least an outside chance, Sway Away, isn't running because of the graded earnings and a turf/synthetics horse with literally no chance is running.  Point this guy to the Secretariat Stakes at Arlington on the MIllion card.

LAZMANNICK 06 May 2011 1:13 AM

Forbidden Apple

I guess that Colfacts didn't get his facts straight.  The Derby is run on dirt, not turf.

LAZMANNICK 06 May 2011 2:02 AM

Today speed was holding and I took advantage of it.  Who knows what tomorrow will bring.

Draynay 05 May 2011 5:06 PM

We don't know Dray.  The only thing we do know is that you'll manage to tell us that you won again.  Keep it up and you can import all your shrimp from the Aussies.  Maybe they'll throw in a barby too.

LAZMANNICK 06 May 2011 2:05 AM

My 6-10 horses:

6-Midnight Interlude 7-Mucho Macho Man 8-Pants On Fire 9-Nehro 10-Master Of Hounds

Coldfacts,

I have liked Soldat since August. It is very likely that he will rebound and be part of the superfecta. He must sit behind the top 3 or 4 pace horses and make a middle move to the lead.

I have made zero money off from betting ArchArchArch, but I still have a strong feeling about his chances of winning this time around. Of course the post position was a downer, he is tactical enough to overcome the one post. This horse is still improving and has a tremendous middle move that seems to put the race away. He and Soldat are my mid pack horses, Shackleford is my speed horse, and Dialed In and Brilliant Speed are my best closers.

When you have a 20 horse field, I must eliminate half right away. Derby Kitten was a scratch in my racing form.

Master Of Hounds and Animal Kingdom fell into my turf category. I also think Pants On Fire has a good turf pedigree. My two turf laden picks are Soldat and Brilliant Speed (plenty of dirt pedigree). Your logic on the shipment of Master Of Hounds is not accurate. Coolmore wants the limelight and most certainly are sending him for more exposure. With so many horse falling off the trail, even a turf horse like him has a chance in 2011. The battle between Coolmore and Darley is always an issue in horse racing. Every ownership team wants to win the most important race of the year. It's obvious that he will like the distance of the race. He is interesting, but his recent flight over the pond is enough for me to scratch him off from the top contender list. I prefer Brilliant Speed who clearly has dirt form in his pedigree. Yes Twinspire was a close second in the Bluegrass and on the rail. Brilliant Speed went from last to first in a flash, while closing fast.

Down the stretch, the horse to fear most is Dialed In. He will be roaring and running like a maglev train to the finish line! If he falls short and finishes second, I can live with that. There are always interesting story lines in the KY Derby. I happen to like the connection between Dialed In and Nick Zito. Zito is a HOF trainer who seems to be tickled by his horse. I can't wait to watch Dialed In's powerful steel neck gallop to the wire.

Forbidden Apple 06 May 2011 5:29 AM

Good Day Bloggers,

I am going with Master of Hounds.  With this weak group of three year olds and Uncle Mo still recovering from the stomach bug, why not pick the foreign invader. Gomez gets his first Derby Win!

Boston Bob,

Let's hope our Bruins win tonight and the Celtics make it interesting!

Enjoy the good racing.

Trebloc 06 May 2011 7:03 AM

While I believe this Derby is impossible to handicap, I will stick with my top five:

Uncle Mo(if he goes)

Dialed In

Decisive Moment

Brilliant Speed

and Pants on Fire!

My best wager of Derby day is in the Woodford Reserve, my stone cold exacta lock is:

Little Mike and Doubles Partner!!!

Good luck to all!

Greg J. 06 May 2011 8:12 AM

Uncle Mo to scratch...

Greg J. 06 May 2011 8:17 AM

As much as I belive Joyful Victory may be the likely winner, I'm still preferring Kathmanblu in the Oaks, and Pants On Fire in the Derby.  

And, yes, if Uncle Mo pulls out, Archarcharch leaves from Gate 2...so I hope it happens.  

And Draynay...weren't you the one who proclaimed Uncle Mo the Triple Crown winner?  Getting chalky again...aren't you?

This year, with soooo much talent, it's probably easier to pick the bottom 5 than the top 5.  We're very fortunate to have so much talent, and a field so deep that the Derby is actually up for grabs by at least 14 of the top runners.

Slew 06 May 2011 8:51 AM

It's official for all you doubters, unca schmoe will not win the Ky. Derby. draynay was wrong again. I was so right. I only wish he had actually been good enough to make the race so I could have taken all the doubters money. For those of you wise enough to have been listening kudos. To those who were non believers maybe next time you'll listen to someone who knows more than draynay ever will.

no_mo _mo 06 May 2011 8:52 AM

I had hope that the curse of Draynay wouldn't come into play with Uncle Mo and stuck with him despite this, I was wrong!  Thanks alot Dray...

Greg J. 06 May 2011 9:31 AM

UM is scratched do not really llike the sportsman ship in team Rapole..

They new all along..

Good news AAA moves out a hole now he is back on my tix..

I just gotta a feeling Dialed In is the place horse but to who??    

Johnny 06 May 2011 9:47 AM

My bad I read 19-20 horse move in a hole..

If I had a horse in the 1 hole in the Derby I would scratch just on principle..

Either we all start behind a rail or none of us..

Johnny 06 May 2011 9:55 AM

CARLOS

I agree with Zazu for the win today.

Mike Relva 06 May 2011 10:19 AM

I like MASTER OF HOUNDS, he beat many Grade/Group 1 horses in the 2,000,000 UAE Derby. I have had many Derby winners, if he takes to the dirt, he will get the distance. Twenty to One against this field is a huge Overlay. Box in many Tri's, the overlays in the Derby exoctis are crazy, this year will be even better. Good luck to all. Grandfather used to own Racehorses, Mo will need a race after the Medication.

ManO'WarMike 06 May 2011 10:34 AM

Draynay - I agree with much of your handicapping regarding the race.

Coldfacts - you know I love your stuff and perhaps I will be proven wrong but MOH, Twinspired and Derby Kitten?  Someone may have rufied your drink brother.

2:24 06 May 2011 10:39 AM

I'm so glad they scratched Mo.  I think it would have been asking too much of him to run when not 100%.  I truly didn't feel he could win after this illness he has had.  I'm very impressed with both his owner and Pletcher for putting Mo first.  Hope they discover what the problem is and get him well.  Hope he makes it to the late summer races.

MonicaV 06 May 2011 11:07 AM

Yeah KYvet you got the LOCK on Common sense Boy Howdy...

I TOLD you on May 1st that they should scratch Mo already and I meant it in the best interest of the horse -

Honestly and it surprises me to say this,

PROPS to Todd Pletcher, for doing the RIGHT thing here.  Who says people Dont learn from their errors?  I say Todd Pletcher has never looked so much like the reigning TOTY as he does today.  Of course its easier to take when Mike has another legitimate contender that is peaking right now.

Good luck and safe trips to all the horses and riders.

PS - I like the Tapit "sisters" in the Oaks exacta with Plum Pretty in the tri.  

Zen's Auntie 06 May 2011 11:11 AM

I was wrong!

With Mo out, the outside horses are moving in, which keeps Archie in Gate 1, but now puts Nehro in Gate 18.

Slew 06 May 2011 11:18 AM

DRAYNAY

Wonder if this will be a lesson(doubt it) for you,w/ Mo out? Point is you hyped and bragged as early as Jan. that he would win the triple. So,next year are you going to do the same crap? Probably.

Mike Relva 06 May 2011 11:18 AM

Glad to see Uncle Mo scratched out of the Derby. Hope they get him right before he runs again. I like him too much to see him falter again like he did in the Wood. Wouldn't it be something if Stay Thirsty won the Derby? Mike Repole would be beyond over the moon!!! Don't say it can't happen, the way this race looks right now, anything is possible. The racing gods have proven themselves very capable of producing astonishing results. I'm adding him to my over-bloated list of possibles just in case they're in a quirky mood again. :)

Zookeeper 06 May 2011 12:00 PM

2:24,

THESE ARE HORSES TO INCLUDE IN BOX WAGERS. THE BLOG IS ABOUT LONGSHOTS.

Coldfacts 06 May 2011 12:03 PM

just realized nehro's dosage index is 4.33 now i know he wont win even wit uncle mo scratched

thomas 06 May 2011 12:17 PM

LAZMANNICK,

The blog is about long shots. In the 2010 derby the third place finisher Paddy O Prado was second in the Blue Grass and his best performances have been on turf. The fourth place finished Make Music For Me had his final prep on turf. Barbaro’s best performance was on turf. Your remark suggests you have obviously ignored these cold facts. The horses were suggested as replacement for the colts I did like in Forbidden Apple’s top five. In race considered open there is no place for cynicism. I saw similar comments when I suggest the usage of the 68-1 Shackleford in the FL Derby. It’s a horse race and anything can happen. You should know that!

Coldfacts 06 May 2011 12:21 PM

Za...Za...Zazu!  No once closes the last 3/8ths like her (sub 30) and on speed favoring Santa Anita to boot.  Her last pair of Beyers towers over this motley crew.  With R Heat hurt, Turbulent Descent takes over as the best 3 year old filly in the nation and she owns a win over that one.  This isn't turf, so Kathmanblu 86 Beyer by 8 lengths on dirt at Churchill still is not good enough.  And Joyfull Victory...should be beating Holly Heavens by 8 as that one has not cracked an 80 Beyer yet.  The interesting one for me underneath is Daisy Devine.  Her Beyers seem to fit, she has a good record, and she had two bullet works over the course.  Don't know much about the Fairgrounds though.  If Sadler can pull this off after a planned 9 week vacation he is a genius.

Householder 06 May 2011 12:26 PM

“Dialed In only has to run a 1:37 mile fraction to inhale the field in the final sixteenth of the long Churchill downs home stretch to win with a final time of 2:01 and change.”

Big Brown final prep FL Derby 1:48.16

Derby wining time 2:01.82

Barbaro final prep FL Derby 1:49.01

Derby wining time 2:01.36

Funny Cide 2nd final prep Wood 1:48.60

Derby wining time 2:01.19

War Emblem final prep IL Derby 1:49.42

Derby wining time 2:01.13

Fusaichi Pegasus final prep Wood 1:47.80

Derby wining time 2:01.12

DIALED IN final prep FL Derby 1:50.01

Derby winning time pending???

Are you serious about 2:01 and change. He cannot record that time if nuclear fuel is added to his laxis.  Every horse dialed beaten was either one pace or backing up with the exception of Shackleford who was resolute. The mid pack runners win contain some formidable colts who can move just as Dialed In starts to roll. The ground he covers to get to them will be negated when they make their moves. He now faces closers like Nehro, AAA, Brilliant Speed Midnight Interlude and Derby Kitten. With his lumbering action he will not out close all those horses. Do not waste your money. Go to the dog pound and take the Master Of Hounds.

Coldfacts 06 May 2011 12:52 PM

I think Todd Pletcher's face says it all.  R Heat Lightning, Devel May Care, Uncle Mo.  

Householder 06 May 2011 1:07 PM

KY Vet of should I say "Mr. Common Sense."  Now you can tell us what type of future book bet you had on Uncle Mo.  

Householder 06 May 2011 1:09 PM

KY VET.  I can see the future too!  Paticularly after I take my cat's urinary track infection medicine from the local clinic.  If I up the dose I can actually travel to other countries without ever leaving my living room.  My body has been to Churchill several times this week, slept in the same stall with the eventual winner, and I have the Superfecta cold ($2.00).  

Householder 06 May 2011 1:17 PM

NO_ MO_ MO

If you are done patting yourself on the back and doing cartwheels,just remember I said the SAME as you did months ago,also.

Mike Relva 06 May 2011 1:58 PM

KY VET

Now,what were you saying about Mo would run? RIGHT.

Mike Relva 06 May 2011 2:00 PM

THANK YOU TODD P!!!! I WAS WRONG ABOUT THEM RUNNING MO! BUT IT'S LIKE CHRISTMAS MORNING.!!! NOW I CAN HAMMER THIS DERBY!!! IF MO RAN I COULDN'T BET AGAINST HIM.....NOW, I CAN BET WITH BOTH HANDS ON THE HORSE I LIKE.....THERE IS ONLY 1 HORSE I THINK MIGHT RUN AN IMPROVED RACE...MUCHO MACHO MAN...HE SCARES ME.....I HAVE 3 HORSES THAT I POSTED...8TH RACE FRIDAY#2  HAD 200WP..BAD RIDE! CAN'T BELIEVE MY HORSE HAD LEAD!!! I'M SO MAD! 2ND PAID 6.00 SO I'M UP +200...NEXT ZAZU 200WP....THEN SAT RACE 7 AMEN H....THEN THE DERBY!!! I'LLL GIVE YOU THAT LATER....!!! I LOVE THIS GAME!!

KY VET 06 May 2011 5:10 PM

Nice 2/3rds of the OAKS Zen's Auntie.  You thought Plum Pretty looked awful "pretty."  And the "professionals" just dismissed her last Beyer.  You always have to wonder what Baffert's up to.  She's been chasing NOW what appears to be the 2 best 3 year old fillies in training.

I had Plum Pretty, Zazu, Daisy Devine wheel.  

Blind Luck going to her knees...heart attack # 1.  Closing stretch drive and finish...heart attack #2.  

Householder 06 May 2011 6:26 PM

THANK YOU COLDFACTS!! YOU HATE DIALED IN!!! YES!!! 300WIN 200 PLACE.........YOU ARE SOOOOOO SMART!!!!!  ARAZI MOVE ON THE TURN.....GET READY!!!!

KY VET 06 May 2011 6:37 PM

Here's why I don't bet but follow horse racing religiously.  I'm the HUGE Secretariat fan whose house is adorned with all Secretariat stuff.  So I only want horse's with his bloodlines in them.  So I would be happy with any of the following: Stay Thirsty (Bernardini), Decisive Moment (his sire by Storm Cat), Pants on Fire(Jump Start), Dialed In (Mineshaft) Santiva(Giant's Causeway) Shackleford (Forestry) Nehro,(I think Mineshaft??).  My first pick though would be Stay Thirsty or Shackleford.  Most important safe trip for all.

Kristen 06 May 2011 7:41 PM

Coldfacts

Oh I'm sorry.  I thought it was about long shots that actually had a chance to win.  Make Music for Me has won a sinhgle optional claimer since last year's Derby and that on the turf.  Paddy had a dream finish in the Derby, but is not a dirt horse either.  In fact, I don't think that either has ever won a race on dirt.  Oh well, my appologies.

LAZMANNICK 06 May 2011 7:47 PM

Something smells fishy here, I'm starting to think KY VET is Draynay lol.  Is he ?

KY VET : What do you think ?  Time to hang up that "I know more than you Jacket" somewhere and accept the fact that no one, not even a kentucky vet know horse racing more than anyone (except Draynay of course, a newbie fan probably can pick better than him LOL.)

JayJay 06 May 2011 8:57 PM

Coldfacts,

If your Oaks selection had finished in front of Plum Pretty (my selection) I might have been compelled to take your advise for the Derby.  As things are turning out, the Master Of Hounds will be outfoxed in the Derby.  

Just dial in when you realise that you are lost.  I'll answer the call my friend.

Ranagulzion 06 May 2011 9:23 PM

JAYJAY.......IF COLDFACTS AND AFFLEET ALEX WOULD BE HONEST, THEY WOULD TELL YOU HOW GOOD I AM...BUT THEY WON'T...THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO PICK A WINNER....IV'E WON OVER 10 GRAND IN THE LAST 5 YEARS ON DERBYS...(5000 WON ON 500 DOLLAR FUTURE BET ON STREET SENSE)....I MAKE A LIVING OFF BETTING...YES I WAS WRONG THAT MO WOULD RUN(THOUGHT IT WAS GI INFECTION) DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS MORE..THATS NOT A BET....I AM THRILLED HE SCRATCHED!..NOW I CAN BET THE HORSE I LIKE....DIALED IN.!!! 300WIN 200P.....IM GOING FOR THE BIG UPSET IN 7TH RACE..AMEN HALLELUJAH TO BEAT THE BIG CHALK....I'M DUE TO LOSE.....WE WILL SEE...I'M GETTING 4 TO 1 ON HORSE THAT SHOULD BE LESS THAN 2.....

KY VET 06 May 2011 10:35 PM

3 YRS AGO COLDFACTS RIPS PEOPLE THAT LIKED DUBAI HORSE..THEY NEVER WIN, OR RUN ON DIRT HE SAID...THEN SOMEONE LIKED HORSE THAT DIDNT MAKE START AT 2...THEY NEVER HAVE WON....DONT BET POLYTRACK HORSES...BLAH BLAH..TRIED TO SAY A 12500 SIRE WAS BETTER THAN A 250,000 SIRE......NOW HE LIKES A DUBAI HORSE, A HORSE THAT DIDNT RUN AT 2...AND A HORSE THAT GOT CLEAR LEAD,COMES HOME IN 14..AND SAYS HOW GAME HE WAS....AND!  TRIES TO SAY THE HORSE 18 BACK THAT CLOSES FOR THE WIN, ISN'T GOOD BECAUSE HE CANT CLOSE.......IS IT ME?  NO REALLY?  DOES HE GO ON FACTS? IVE READ THESE WACKY THINGS FOR 3 YEARS! THE GUY HAS NEVER PICKED A RACE RIGHT!  IM NOT BEING MEAN....REALLY....PICKING A HORSE ON BREEDING? INSANE!!!NONE OF THESE RULES MATTER! BET THE INDIVIDUAL HORSE!!! USELESS FACTS!!

KY VET 06 May 2011 10:48 PM

tcc,

I disagree, Sway Away is lightly raced and has plenty of room to improve. Uncle Mo was a scratch for me when he went 1:13 3/5 in the Timely Writer. Team Pletcher always gets their horses to work out well, but they are not trained for the long haul.

Ranagulzion,

What, no Aunt Mo in your top slot for the KY Derby? What happened? According to you and Draynay, Mo was a lock for a triple crown sweep. That kind of early hype has blown up in your face 2 years in a row. Pletcher is not the best trainer in North America, that is a cold fact. He might make my top 15 list.

KY Vet,

After your recent loud mouth comments, I think you owe everyone on these blogs an apology. Mo ran a 1:13 3/5 6f split in the Timely Writer and then a no punch 3rd in the Wood. You are the one person with zero common sense and your handicapping skills are useless. I am guessing that you are not a vet or from KY.

Lazmannick,

Derby Kitten was an instant scratch for me. I like that Master of Hounds can get the 1 1/4 mile distance, but he seems strictly turf meant to me. Coldfacts has clearly stated all season that he dislikes Dialed In and Soldat. They seem like far better choices than a couple of grass huggers.

Forbidden Apple 06 May 2011 11:04 PM

APPLE!  NOBODY LOST ON MO!!!! I BET 100W60P ON MMM......THOUGHT HE RAN GOOD...80W SAVER ON MOH....THOUGHT HE RAN GOOD......WHAT A TOUGH DERBY.!  SO I HAVE YOU DOWN FOR HATING UNCLE MO....WE WILL SEE LATER IF YOU ARE RIGHT....OK?

KY VET 07 May 2011 8:51 PM


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