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Preakness 136 Picks

The 2011 Triple Crown season has been a tough riddle to solve from the very start of the year, and leg two is equally as challenging. The Preakness is normally a more formful race than the Kentucky Derby, but when you have a 20-1 winner and a bizarre pace scenario, it raises major questions about how true the race was--at least for me.

The pace of the Derby was the slowest on a dry track since 1947. It was basically a turf race run on dirt. I like Animal Kingdom, but I am having trouble getting past the fact that the race set up perfectly for him. He is not a dead closer, he is probably most effective running mid-pack, and so despite what the connections have said, I think the slow pace was to his benefit. That is not to say that Animal Kingdom will not run well--he is obviously in good form and should still be fresh since he was so lightly-raced--but I am going to try to beat the favorite.

I think decent cases can be made for about nine or 10 horses in this field. Here are some brief thoughts on some of them:

Contenders

Astrology-He's intriguing because he's never been off the board in seven starts and seems to be improving. He got off to that late start this year, but actually ran two pretty good races. His second in the Jerome was flattered when Adios Charlie came back to run big in the Peter Pan. Asmussen has won this race twice. He should be running right off the pace and if he can overcome the rail and good a decent trip, he has a legitimate chance. That being said, I'm using him on the bottom end of exotics, not to win.

Dance City-A real wild card in here for me because he ran absolutely huge in the Arkansas Derby. He was on the pace through testing fractions and was game in the stretch. Before that, he beat a horse that I really like--Cal Nation. He's trained well since the Arkansas Derby, and with Dominguez aboard for Pletcher, it's tough to dismiss him. He should be out there with Flashpoint on the lead. One of those two horses, I have a feeling, will have a lot to say in the Preakness outcome. I've decided on Flashpoint, but will have a saver bet on Dance City just in case he is the one that is sharper.

Midnight Interlude-Not quite sure what happened in the Derby, and Baffert isn't either. Baffert said he has trained sharper for this race, but I get the feeling his is more hopeful than confident with this horse. I think he's a bottom-end exotics type of horse and would be mildly surprised if he was any better than that. Then again, Baffert has won this race five times.

Mucho Macho Man-Showed another dimension in the Derby by closing from off the pace. Looks great and has trained well since then, so he's hard to dismiss. Should be right in the mix again, but why can't I shake this feeling that he's just not fast enough to win these top races?

Norman Asbjornson-Tom LaMarra tells me he is going to run big. He still has not told me why he thinks that way, but Tom usually has good instincts when it comes to Maryland racing. The most interesting thing about the horse is that we have no idea how good his Wood run was since the three horses that beat him were all sidelined. At 35-1, maybe he's worth using.

Shackleford-Still razor sharp since the Derby. Would not be surprised if he ran big again. Major negative for me is that he had things his own way on a slow Derby pace and still couldn't hit the board.

Sway Away-There are many here at Pimlico that like him. Getting Gomez back certainly helps, and this colt may have a better turn of foot than anyone in the race. But he is still only a maiden winner who is probably running further than he wants. I see him making a big middle move but I'm not sure he can sustain it. Bottom of exotics for me.

Picks

I have liked two horses all week--Dialed In and Flashpoint. When I envision this race in my head I see Flashpoint setting the pace, taking the lead into the stretch, and Dialed In charging at him down the lane, with Animal Kingdom and Mucho Macho Man coming late for minor awards.

There are certainly some things not to like about Flashpoint, including his non-classic pedigree and that he is the most lightly-raced horse in the race. That is why he is 20-1 on the morning-line. My thought is that he is razor sharp right now and for at least one race he can overcome his pedigree to run big. Despite finishing fourth, his Florida Derby wasn't terrible. He was involved most of the way, but breaking from the outside and being rated just didn't work for him. This time he draws an inside post and will be on or right near the lead. He's not a runaway freight train, so I think he can harness his speed, and the thought is that he will be tough to catch if he turns for home with the lead on a track where sometimes it can be very difficult to catch pacesetters.

Flashpoint makes his first start for Wesley Ward since transferring from Rick Dutrow's barn. He has trained brilliantly since then at Keeneland and I was impressed by his gallop on Friday morning. Ward's barn has been red-hot and I think he is quietly confident about this colt.

I'm not sure if he will win, but Dialed In should run big. No horse was compromised more by the slow Derby pace than he was and despite that he closed very well. The pace will certainly be more legitimate in the Preakness and he will have his chance. He should be rolling at the end.

Dialed In is probably the more logical pick and I will certainly use him on the top of exotic tickets, but I will go out on a limb and pick Flashpoint to win. It's a gutsy pick because he has the potential to get swallowed by the distance and class, but something tells me he is going to run a big one.

Last year, I gave out the Preakness superfecta on this blog but did not play it. I have been reminded of that for 364 days since. If my superfecta comes in this year, trust me, I will have it. Good luck to everyone. Let me know who you like.

50-cent superfecta-$132 bet

4,10/4,9,10/1,4,6,7,8,9,10,11/All

104 Comments:

Animal Kingdom came through for me in the Derby, so I'm not going to desert him now. I won't do any wps action on him due to his odds, but I will key him on top in tri/super.

11/1,5,8,9,10

I may also do a small ($2 or $5 wps on Shack and Dance) depending on how their odds move.

I'm not as convinced as all the 'experts' that the pace will be much quicker than the Derby. That one was supposed to be fast also. Didn't happen, and Ward is already on record last week as saying they know that due to Flash's pedigree that he likely won't get this distance if they go too fast too early. Pletcher has to know that about Dance City as well. Maybe the pace will be much quicker, but I won't be a bit surprised to see another controlled pace by Shack.

Sir Barton 20 May 2011 12:16 PM

Too Long for Live Blog

My challenge to the Dray and Vet

Beat this

Quite, unlike the KY Derby, where it remained to be seen on horses trying dirt-how the CA and other states form would hold up and many other factors we have a horse that won the Derby in fairly impressive fashion and could be any kind.

We also have a few that might improve off their showing in the Derby due to lay-offs more than the norm to go 1 ¼ miles. Also although there is the chance that they will “soup up” the track for the big day in my views from earlier in the meet the track has been kind to off the pace types—I have not kept up the last week so that is up to debate. I did notice early in the meet it was “almost impossible” to be near the lead “on the turf” and stay but that has changed dramatically watching last Saturday as horses ran much better up close.

Forecast is for a fast dried out track from earlier in the week rains.

Thus a tale of 2 bets for Preakness tabs

First would be a 4 horse Tri box (if I have to pick 6 or 7 I might as well quick-pick)

Shackleford, Dance City (Guessing that the track will be souped up) Mucho Macho Man, and Animal Kingdom. $24

Then Tri Key--- Animal Kingdom  on TOP-- with

Shackleford, Dance City, Mucho Macho Man, ADDING Dialed In and Midnight Interlude--$20

Since the Derby winner probably won’t give the value in straight betting I will probably try a small wager on Shackleford guessing he can lay off the pace a touch---All the talk about riders and Borel Factors forgets that a few big name riders mentioned that Jesus Castanon of their peers is one of the most underrated riders in the country.  At 10-1 or more he may be the value—he has only run one bad race and really wasn’t beaten that far on the Derby and may have been best in FL.

Although like the Derby I am hardly solid--BUT--I do like my chances much better in this event than KY.

sniper1 20 May 2011 12:23 PM

EX  Box: Animal Kingdom/Mr. Commons/Mucho Macho Man/Dialed In

WPS money on Midnight Interlude, Norman Abjornson, Astrology

Good Luck!

josh 20 May 2011 1:08 PM

It's going to be all Animal Kingdom tomorrow folks.  Dialed In, MMM, Midnight Interlude and Flashpoint.  Box them every which way you can.  May the horse be with you.

Bob from Boston 20 May 2011 1:15 PM

8 , 9 / 1 , 8 , 9 , / 1 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 9 , 10 , 11 / ALL.

Good Luck!

JorgeG 20 May 2011 2:07 PM

Once again I like too many horses for the Preakness. But I'll reserve the ALL button for the bottom of my $1 Trifecta:

10,11/4,10,11,14/All

Can lightning strike two years in a row at the Preakness? Why not?

I'm rooting for Animal Kingdom to win. I like him a lot and I want the TC on the line for the Belmont.

GO KINGDOM!!!

Zookeeper 20 May 2011 2:24 PM

I believe Animal Kingdom is worthy of the favoritism he is receiving at odds of 2-1.  He gave nothing short of an excellent performance in the Derby, which he won by nearly three lengths in a quick time of 2:02.04.  Graham Motion’s decision to ship him to Pimlico on the morning of the Preakness Stakes is a smart move.  Being just a stone’s throw away from the Maryland racetrack, this chestnut colt will likely be more rested than the opposing horses that competed in the Derby, not having the luxury of relaxing at the more tranquil atmosphere of a training center.  I also agree with the decision to keep Kentucky Derby jockey, John Velazquez, in the saddle.

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Bunny Hinzman 20 May 2011 2:44 PM

Dialed In is a plodder = Zero Chance.

Flashpoint is another speed horse that has no chance @9.5 furlongs but could get 3rd or 4th. Animal Kingdom is a real routing horse that we haven't been breeding for decades.

It will be great to see this turf/synthetic/dirt horse win the Triple Crown and put to rest that surface does not make a champion.

chucky 20 May 2011 2:59 PM

Astrology!

DanC 20 May 2011 3:02 PM

Good luck, Jason, I hope your super this year brings you better luck.

I am sticking with the horses I bet on in the Derby- Animal Kingdom, Shackleford, MMM, Dialed In... and adding Astrology to my tris and supers with a few bets on Flashpoint.

I thought AK was the longshot with the best chance in the Derby, although he went off at shorter odds than I thought/hoped. I didn't like Midnight Interlude then so I'm definitely not changing my mind now.

A lot of my final Derby bets were placed on how great physically the horses were looking and training- AK, Shackle, AAA, MMM, Dialed In, and it sounds like they are doing similarly leading up to Saturday. So if it weren't for Nehro I would have had a nice trifecta. Hoping my AK winning ticket money will be good luck to bet with.

Dee 20 May 2011 3:26 PM

Does that mean 10 cent supers are being offered?

Killer-X 20 May 2011 3:32 PM

I'll be playing a $1 super box and a $2 tri box with AK, MMM, Shackleford, Dance City and Sway Away.  I also may play some exactas with combos of those horses.

Good luck everyone.

2:24 20 May 2011 3:39 PM

 Bad omen? "Macho Man" dies, the day before the Preakness. I hope not.

predict 20 May 2011 3:42 PM

Before I read this article it was Animal Kingdom, Mucho Macho Man, Dialed In & Shackleford tri-box.

Now that I've read it, I am all messed up. Thank you Jason ! haha !I guess I will have to regroup if Jason thinks Flashpoint is a serious threat. Im a sucker for gray horses. I really like him but also have distance concerns.

I will for sure be betting Paddy O Prado in the Dixie. He looked really good yesterday morning and has been working well after a long break. Shared Account in the Gallorette is a for sure bet too. I've been watching her since her Lake Placid win in 09.

I was really impressed by the physical appearence of a couple of other horses. Dance City is gorgeous. I know he is a City Zip but reminds me of Bernardini for some reason. I think he has a legitimate shot to hit the board.  Mr Commons also looked very good, I don't think he really has a shot but no one thought Giacomo would win the Derby either. Good Luck to all, safe racing to the horses.

Criminal Type 20 May 2011 3:50 PM

Nice to have you back Jason.  

For the long price newcomer I am with Tom L on this with Norman Asbjornson. I actually liked him Before the Wood and he should still be a juicy price. Real Quiet was such a nice Horse and such a great loss I think that Norman will make his Sires memory shine.  

I think Zito has a card in his sleeve and with Flashpoint out there hopefully we will have pace.  Dialed in Looks great and seems to be training well I will hope for a much better position for the big close here.

Shack comes back strong here too.  Pass me a Budwiser the Clydesdale might just hang on.  I see him getting a bunch out of the Derby and losing the 1/16th of a mile suits him fine.  

At 20 to 1 I liked AK for 5th in the Derby and I like him for 5th in this race too. From a wagering standpoint hes too weak in the chalk spot for me to feel good using him. He is a fine colt and the best horse in KD but speed will tell on him this race. More pace goes against him I think and if he can win in this one Holy Crap he is something else.  I hope he does to keep the TC dream going but I just cant see it.

I cannot bet against Mucho Macho Man here for the win finally.  Its his to blow I think and if he finally gets the stretch out and  lay it down all together for one big end run its his.

Zen's Auntie 20 May 2011 4:29 PM

SNIPER!!I'M SORRY, BUT WHO TAUGHT YOU THAT ANY OF THOSE HORSES NEEDED THE RACE? IT'S THE KENTUCKY DERBY!!! I HEAR THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY YOU PEOPLE!!! 2 PREPS NOT ENOUGH!! BLAH BLAH....THESE HORSES ARE IN SHAPE!!! GEEZ!!! YOU ACTUALLY WANT 5 WEEKS OFF OR SO....YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE ALL OF THESE OLD SAYINGS. LIKE IF A HORSE FROM SOMEWHERE, IT MEANS THEY ARE ALL GOOD FROM THERE? SO TP IS THE BEST HORSES? OR..SUPED UP TRACKS...YOU BELIEVE ALOT IN BIASES...SO, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, YOU LIKE 2 SPEED HORSES?..DOESNT 1 SPEED USUALLY KILL OFF OTHER SPEED? THIS SEEMS DOOMED TO FAIL...SAVE YOUR MONEY....THIS PACE WILL BE VERY FAST!! THEY ARE GONNA LET FLASHPOINT FLY....

KY VET 20 May 2011 5:03 PM

I'm still sticking with my Derby horse Shackleford. After the TC series completes, I doubt I'll see odds this high on him again - or any other longshot in this series. For those that had Animal Kingdom in the Derby, that was the only time you will ever get him at that price ever again.

I will do a ladder bet on Shackleford since I am not an exotics player. I would not be disheartened if Animal Kingdom takes this, though.

Rinzler 20 May 2011 5:48 PM

 Can't  see  leaving  AK  out  of  any  wager. He  won  that  Derby  easily  and  will  prevail  again. I  played  him  in  BES/PRK DD  with  Royal Delta  and  used  Mr. Commons  in  a  smaller  (saver) double.  I  will  key  AK  in  trifectas  over 1-6-7-8-10-14   and  in  $.50  supers  over  the  same.  Exactas : I'll  box  AK-Mr.C-Sway Away. Will  play AK  over  a  few  more  like  Dance City ,  Midnight Interlude & Astrology.

 This  will  give  meaning  to  the  Belmont  Stakes , again.

SlewStable 20 May 2011 5:55 PM

Good to have you back, Jason, however Dialed In is too slow and Flashpoint will fizzle.

Ex box:

AK, MMM, Shackleford, Concealed Identity, will go across the board with AK and Shackleford.

Good Luck!

trackjack 20 May 2011 6:44 PM

9-10-11 with 5-8-9-10-11 with 5-8-9-10-11

MMM looks like the race sets uup well for him. But would not be suprised to see DI or even AK get up for a place on the top of the ticket.  I think DC and Shack are the two front runners that may hold on for a piece of the trifecta.

Toro On Turf 20 May 2011 7:10 PM

I think this might be Shack's turn.  He's been consistent and shortening up for this race.  I think a slight adjustment sitting behind Flashpoint and Dance City will be the key for him.  DI will finally have a pace to run at (at least I hope so) and he should be primed for this as he was never really used in the KD.  Now I just have to pawn my car to make these bets :

$5 EXACTA BOX : 5 / 10

$2 EXACTA : 5 / 2,4,8,9,11

$2 EXACTA : 10 / 11,8,9,4,2

$1 Trifectas:

5,10 / 5,10,11 / 5,10,11,4,8

5,10 / 5,10,2 / 5,10,4,2,8

.50 Supers

5,10,11 / 5,10,11,9 / 5,10,11,3,7 / 5,10,11,9,7,3

5,10 / 5,10,2,4 / 5,11,2,8 / 5,10,2,8,4

GOOD LUCK to all betting tomorrow!

JayJay 20 May 2011 7:52 PM

WOW! YOU PEOPLE PICK ABOUT 8 HORSES EACH! I THINK DIALED IN HAS PROBLEMS.....LIGHTLY RACED, LIGHTLY TRAINED.....BUT, AFTER RUNNING A 75 BEYER IN HIS FIRST START, HE RUNS A 97? THAT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN! THAT TELLS US THIS HORSE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL.....THAT RACE TOOK SOMETHING OUT OF HIM...HASNT BEEN AS GOOD SINCE....JUST KINDA RUNNING NOT GREAT/NOT BAD.......WHICH IS THE REASON I'M GOING WITH HIM! BIG WIN/PLACE BET! HE MIGHT BE GOING BAD...OR....THOSE AVG RACES MAKE HIM JUMP UP WITH BIG EFFORT....I'M HOPING THE LATTER..EVERYBODY WAITS UNTIL A HORSE FIRES, THEN THEY GET ON THE BANDWAGON....THIS IS WHY YOU ALL LOSE AT THE WINDOWS! YOU MUST GET THEM BEFORE THE SHIP SAILS!! LOOK AT EVERY PREP THIS YEAR! YOU ALL LIKED THESE HORSES OFF GREAT RACES...THEY ALL LOST....END OF STORY...LEARN THE GAME!

KY VET 20 May 2011 9:13 PM

My instinct says MMM and Astrology; however, I liked Super Saver and First Dude last year!  Jason, I am smart enough to defer to your handicapping skill, and tomorrow I will also have $ on DI, and (shudder!) Flashpoint!

skyfire 20 May 2011 9:22 PM

Messed up my 2nd super, should be:

5,10 / 5,10,2,4 / 5,10,2,4 / 5,10,2,8,4

JayJay 21 May 2011 12:28 AM

Sway Away is your Preakness winner. His ride last time out was wide and forced way too early.  Watch it again.  He has had 3 very good 6 furlong works and should come in razor sharp.  Gomez can only help his chances.  I will put Sway Away first and 2nd and box him with these four horses.  MMM, Dance City, Astrology, and Animal Kingdom.  Good luck to all.

Draynay 21 May 2011 12:44 AM

I did well in the derby by having Animal Kingdom in my exotics so here is my superfecta as of right now

9,10,11/1,8,9,10,11/1,2,6,7,8,9,10,11/1,2,6,7,8,9,10,11

It might add horses based on what happens on race day.

RJPPDP 21 May 2011 12:50 AM

Animal Kingdom, Mucho Macho Man, and Astrology. I would love to see Mr. Commons win however.

Paula Higgins 21 May 2011 1:06 AM

It's hard to ignore the fact that Animal Kingdom ran his best race, his best Beyer, in his first race on dirt. Or that he finished strong, looks FANTASTIC, and running back in 2 weeks won't be any more of a burden to him than any of the other horses coming from the Derby.

The theory that he's basically a turf horse that benefited from a turf-like pace scenario doesn't really diminish my thought that he is the horse to beat.  I think he has just enough tactical speed to put himself in a favorable spot behind what will be a solid pace.

In the last 6 years 3 losing Derby horses came back to win the Preakness: Afleet Alex, Curlin and Lookin At Lucky.  Guess what? There aren't any horses in this race as good as those 3 were going into their Preaknesses so I can't make a case for any of the Derby losers to upset Animal Kingdom this time around.

Mucho Macho Man is consistency that I can't bet against.  I don't think he is as fast as Animal Kingdom but I expect another big run from him.

Dialed In should benefit from a speed dual up front, but he still can't be as far off the pace as he was in the Derby, with a shorter stretch at Pimlico I still think he's up against it to win.  But I also can't ignore that his Derby race wasn't a throw out, he was 7 lengths behind the winner, not 17, and he is the ONLY horse in the field with 4 consecutive 90+ Beyers, another model of consistency.

The other horses I would consider using in exotics are Sway Away, Concealed Identity and Dance City. It would be a bit of a jump to think any of these are going to win this race, but legit cases could be made for these horses figuring into the mix at the end. If its a wet track I may move Dance City up.  

In a nutshell:

ANIMAL KINGDOM

MUCHO MACHO MAN

DIALED IN

I'll also use SWAY AWAY, CONCEALED IDENTITY and DANCE CITY on the bottom of some tickets.  And maybe a small win bet on Concealed Identity at what should be big odds.

Good luck to all!

Runfast159 21 May 2011 2:49 AM

Jason:

I agree the Derby was run more like a turf race, and that style played into Animal Kingdom's strengths.  There was no question Animal Kingdom was the best horse in the Derby, given how it was run, and clearly he is a gifted horse considering he has won on all 3 types of surfaces.  That said, I'm skeptical about his chances of winning the Preakness.

Prior to the Derby, there were certainly things to like about Animal Kingdom, but there were also major questions surrounding him(dirt, the 6 weeks, the inexperience).  While he certainly answered those Derby questions, his performance two weeks ago doesn't guarantee that he can come back in just two weeks, on a different track, against different competition, in what figures to be a very different pace scenario and run lights-out again.

Winning two races as prestigious and competitive as the Derby and Preakness, within a two week span, is no easy task.  Unlike many of the other Preakness entrants, Animal Kingdom proved in the Derby that he could win a race of the Preakness' stature and competitiveness.  However, the question concerning Animal Kingdom is not whether he is good enough to win the Preakness, because we know he is, but whether he can produce another top performance just 2 weeks after a career best effort?

The answer to this question requires as much guesswork as went into Animal Kingdom's Derby chances.  Given Animal Kingdom has started so few times, there really isn't alot to help guide us in answering this question.  

On the one hand, there is really nothing in Animal Kingdom's past performances which indicate he should be able to pair lifetime top performances on just 2 weeks rest.  Given Animal Kingdom had made only 4 starts going into the Derby, he is being asked, by running in both the Derby and Preakness, to increase his number of career starts by 50% in only a two week span.  Animal Kingdom is attempting to accomplish one of the toughest feats in the sport with paper-thin experience and foundation.  While foundation may not be as vital for the Derby as it once was, one would have to think that foundation is still preminent when it comes to the task of going back-to-back in major races within a short timeframe.  Last year, 2 preps was enough to get Super Saver the foundation to win the Derby, but he had little left after it and bounced to the moon in the Preakness.  Running a single monster race is one thing, doing it again in 2 weeks is something else.

While there is little to suggest that Animal Kingdom should be able to run another top effort in the Preakness, there isn't anything to indicate that it is Impossible.  In short, Animal Kingdom is being asked to do something not remotely close to anything he has ever been asked to do.  I take the view that because of this, Animal Kingdom is unlikely to win the Preakness.  However, I certainly can't blame those that, like in the Derby, conclude that just because Animal Kingdom hasn't been asked to do it doesn't mean he can't do it.  

GunBow 21 May 2011 3:07 AM

Shackleford ?  Jayjay you have to be kidding.

Draynay 21 May 2011 4:17 AM

Jason,

 Still not a believer in DI, I'll let him beat me today. I will box AK,MMM,Astrology,and Sway Away for $2.00. I am also playing an AK - MMM straight exacta for $20.00. Odds will dictate any more bets later today. I will have Midnight in there somewhere, just have not had time to construct tickets yet. Who do you like on the undercard?

longwaytomay 21 May 2011 5:17 AM

I too am puzzled with Midnight Interludes performance in the Derby.  My only explanation is that he is still green and that was a big learning experience for him.  However I am loyal to a fault, so I am picking Midnight Interlude to run a huge race and upset this field.  Good luck to all today and lets hope for a safe race for all the horses and jocks.  Jason-great to have you back.

Mike from Michigan 21 May 2011 6:15 AM

I would love to see a Triple Crown winner, so I vote for Animal Kingdom.  May all the horses and jockeys be safe.

gypsy 21 May 2011 7:27 AM

Sorry, but Dialed In is just not fast enough.  The respect he is still receiving by many writers and handicappers makes me scratch my head.  Animal Kingdom looked awfully good and I expect another impressive win.  As for second place I'll go with Sway Away or Mucho Macho Man.

GioPonti2010 21 May 2011 8:17 AM

"LEARN THE GAME!"

I read a lot of criticism of everyone else from you, but I still don't see any picks.

Please, do enlighten us with your wisdom, professor.

Sir Barton 21 May 2011 9:11 AM

Dialed In a plodder? Fact he came home the fastest last half mile..

One of my fav angles is horse for the corse. Concealed Identity 2-2 on the pim surface out of Smarty Jones will be on my tix.

Dance City is setting the pace,with Flashpoint right there and Schack a little back.

I say Flashpoint falters at the mile.

Dance City Schackelford keep going

See how the track holds up but as of right now.

A.K for the win with Dialed in place and a bomber Concealed Idenity or Mr.Commons for 3rd.

God Luck

Johnny 21 May 2011 9:16 AM

Well, if changing jockeys on Midnight Interlude makes all the difference I think it will, he will give Animal Kingdom a run for it this time. Likewise, Mr. Commons is a toss based on jockey alone.

 I'll go with Animal Kingdom, Dialed In, Midnight Interlude, Mucho Macho Man and Dance City, and throw in Norman Asbjornson on a hunch. Will play all in exotics , keying on AK.

predict 21 May 2011 11:45 AM

Gun Bow - your astute observations have been missed by this blogger.

And i agree with what is being asked of Animal Kingdom is a lot. Maybe he will fool us all and if he does, we just might be witnessing something spectacular.

And so glad to know that you are among the living. Someone had mentioned that 'Gun Bow' had not posted since the untimely death of Mr. Jackson, and that perhaps you were he.

Good luck to all today on a beautiful day for racing for a change.

Linda in Texas 21 May 2011 12:00 PM

I'm not betting this one because I have no confidence in my picks.  I had no confidence in my Derby picks but I bet them anyway and lost too much money.    

My only strong opinion about this field is that Flashpoint is a sprinter.  He looks so much like a quarter horse that in his last race I actually mistook him for a quarter horse outrider in the post parade.  So I'll be very, very surprised if he wins the Preakness.  

And though I'm not betting, I hope Animal Kingdom wins so we have a chance at a Triple Crown.  

Gardner 21 May 2011 12:20 PM

Well folks the day has finally arrived it was pronounce by some that today will be Judgement Day.Well it is a fourteen aspiring three years old cold hoping to stamp their name in history.I will say again that the King will stand tall on his throne Isn't he perfect will be right there as he army chief ,Shackleford will be courageous in battle for third Mucho Macho Man will be macho to the others and Dial In will miss the ring tone and be to late to the line.

Have a great one all after all its just horse racing and everyone can't win

lyricsdav 21 May 2011 12:34 PM

GunBow,

Welcome back! Missed you. I'm all in for Animal Kingdom to win today.

Closers have been winning so far at Pimlico. Hope the trend continues.

Zookeeper 21 May 2011 1:28 PM

Yes Draynay, I'm kidding.  Please stay Away.  I mean, stay with Sway Away.  I thought you said MMM was the horse to beat ?? Oh wait, that was two weeks ago.

JayJay 21 May 2011 1:55 PM

Preakness picks:

1. Animal Kingdom:  As much as I liked this guy in the Derby, I like him even more in the Preakness.  True, he hasn’t had a work since that race but he still seems to be primed and ready and really is at the top of his game.  The one thing about him is his ability to rate, he can stalk a few lengths off the pace or he can come from well back.  What I like is his tenacity.  Of his five lifetime races, he shows 25 calls on his past performance chart.  In only two of those 25 calls did he ever lose ground, his maiden race and an optional claimer, and it is interesting to note that he immediately made up the lost ground and showed considerable gain by his next call.  His 24 second final quarter was the best of the close up finishers in the Derby and of course his final half individual time was one of the best ever.  It’s a tribute to him that he was able to close well and actually ran away from most of the others in spite of the slow early fractions.

2. Dialed In:  I think that there were several factors in the Derby that severely compromised his running style and abilities.  However, if there is ever a race in this guys’ lifetime to let it all hang out it will be the Preakness simply because of the $5 Mill bonus.  This is not like running in and winning a $5 mill race and then getting 60% of the purse.  This is like running in an $9 Mill race and getting 60% of the purse, and the only race around with that kind of money at stake is somewhere over in Dubai.  His final half in the Derby was one of the better ones.  A headier ride, a much faster pace (anticipated) and this guy should be a major player.

3. Mucho Macho Man:  This is a race that is almost tailor made for his style.  Close up, able to be strategically placed, and a track that often favors speed.  The tight turns should be an advantage because I expect him to be rated 3rd or 4th and on the outside when they go around the far turn and with lots left in the tank.

4. Mr. Commons:  A relative newcomer with only one graded stakes, that being an exceptional effort in the SA Derby.  He should improve off that effort with three 7F works all on the Hollywood synthetic surface, which should actually benefit him.  I expect him to be no further back than 5th or 6th and on the outside in the clubhouse turn, and Victor should be able to place him where he wants to from there.  Another that can make an early move somewhere in latter part of the backstretch, and I think he is fully capable of having the lead by the time they turn for home.  Lack of seasoning might do him in late, but he can battle as his mile race in 1.34.4 indicates when he was neck and neck throughout the final three calls and prevailed.

LAZMANNICK 21 May 2011 2:16 PM

I like Animal Kingdom, Mucho Macho Man, and either Shackleford or Dance City for third. I am very much hoping that we are progressing toward a Triple Crown bid by the end of today.

Karen in Texas 21 May 2011 2:19 PM

hey jason sorry to hear about your lose hope all is well.  

im going to use box flashpoint,shackleford, animal kingdom and MMM in exacta's. im going to bet isn't he perfect and flash point across the board. never count out shook.

thomas 21 May 2011 3:04 PM

I really like MMM and DC! My super looks like this:

AK,MMM,DI/AK,MMM,DI,DC/AK,MMM,DI,DC,SA,MI/AK,MMM,DI,DC,SA,MI

Good luck to all!!!

austinbnike80 21 May 2011 3:47 PM

I'm playing Shack today because I think he is the class of the pacesetters.  It will be either he'll cook the other two speedballs (FP and DC) or he'll sit just behind those two.  He'll most likely be on the lead again at the top of the stretch.  DI can run all day so I'm hoping Julien keeps him closer to the pace today and then make an early move and get to Shack at the 1/16th pole.

Time to go make me bets.

JayJay 21 May 2011 3:52 PM

MY SELECTIONS

AK,DIALED IN,MMM

Mike Relva 21 May 2011 4:01 PM

Jason - your quote from yesterday, Shackleford - "would not be surprised if he ran big again." Well you called it, he sure did.

Jayjay - you called it with Shackleford. Good for you. And somebody questioned that you were kidding.

Bet you are buying the house 'a round' someplace as i post this! :)

And congrats to Mr. Romans as trainer and also to the owners of Shackleford. He went wire to wire.

Fantastic.

And all came home safe. That is a blessing.  

My choice Dialed In came in 4th.

And Flashpoint last. But Paddy O'Prado came in first in his race and that is as i hoped for.

Linda in Texas 21 May 2011 6:56 PM

YES! SHACKLEFORD! And this time it was a real pace he set. Singled out because I screw up on any exotics that involve more than one horse.

Rinzler 21 May 2011 7:05 PM

Yes Draynay, Shackleford! Looks like Jayjay bested you again!

Stevebiscuit 21 May 2011 7:13 PM

when i saw shackleford in front at the wire it brought back memories of MTB and RA.

JJ:1

draynay:0

lol just busting your chops

thomas 21 May 2011 7:30 PM

Shackleford did it.  Now come see my boy Nehro in the Belmont.  Good call jumping off Dialed In Jayjay it took guts to jump off a closer for a speed horse that failed to hold last time out.  Off to Belmont and Nehro !!!!

Draynay 21 May 2011 7:36 PM

My picks before the race: "I am sticking with the horses I bet on in the Derby- Animal Kingdom, Shackleford, MMM, Dialed In... and adding Astrology to my tris and supers with a few bets on Flashpoint." I threw out Flashpoint, thank god, but didnt play more than one super, and unfortunately if I had bet the 3 supers I had settled on, I would have been up another $3000.

BUT! I still had my biggest pay out at the track!!

I had:

Trifecta Box: 1, 5, 11

Shackleford to Win,Place,Show

Astrology to Show

Dee 21 May 2011 7:53 PM

Yep...how about that shackleford?  Shouldn't we have at least guessed he'd do it again and better at a shorter distance.  But I have to say that now I'm upset with Shack, since he just took too big a bite out of this year's Triple Crown.  And in the post parade...didn't Dialed In look great?

Gun Bow...glad to see you're still with us; you were missed.

Sir Barton: I agree!

It would seem Sway Away got the dreaded Draynay curse.  Sucks to be them.

Slew 21 May 2011 8:29 PM

JAYJAY

Congrats on your winning selection.

Mike Relva 21 May 2011 9:00 PM

DRAYNAY

Seems like you were chiding JAYJAY over his selection,yes I was wrong,also. LET ME GUESS,AT THE LAST MINUTE YOU CHANGED YOUR SELECTION TO SHACKLEFORD. DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT?

Mike Relva 21 May 2011 9:07 PM

I THINK DIALED IN HAS PROBLEMS.....LIGHTLY RACED, LIGHTLY TRAINED.....BUT, AFTER RUNNING A 75 BEYER IN HIS FIRST START, HE RUNS A 97? THAT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN! THAT TELLS US THIS HORSE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL.....THAT RACE TOOK SOMETHING OUT OF HIM...HASNT BEEN AS GOOD SINCE....JUST KINDA RUNNING NOT GREAT/NOT BAD.......WHICH IS THE REASON I'M GOING WITH HIM! BIG WIN/PLACE BET!

....END OF STORY...LEARN THE GAME!

KY VET 20 May 2011 9:13 PM.

tcc 21 May 2011 10:01 PM

JAYJAY: Nice play, I never even thought twice about Shackleford.

Thought the race was very slow, but a gutsy performance by Shackleford. Dale Romans was eventually going to get a triple crown race.

I still have my reservations on shackleford though and that is at 1 1/4 miles he'll end up like he did in the derby, the 1/16 miles less helped him.

Congrats to all who had Shackleford and the triple crown again will not come this year.

josh 21 May 2011 10:43 PM

anybody notice that shackleford was in the 5 hole and that was his 5th triple crown starter in a row. lol i don't know it just popped up

thomas 22 May 2011 12:25 AM

Jayjay

Good call on Shackleford.  I hope you hit it big.  I read the Draynay posts to you.  I find him very amusing, don't you?  He still hasn't picked a winner.  Now he's cursed poor Nehro again.  Oh well.  

LAZMANNICK 22 May 2011 1:39 AM

Jayjay

Please.  I know you won a boat laod and poor Draynay is empty handed again.  It would be nice if you would buy him a few shrimp cocktails.  Something for him to nibble on.  Poor guy must be starving lately.

LAZMANNICK 22 May 2011 1:43 AM

Vet Dray---boy did you guys make me look foolish---"yeah right"--look above--but let's not make an issue---I wasn't solid and sure as you guys just a little more accurate on this day--although over the last few years of reading blogs it happens a lot. If I had the tri then---  

Didn't hit tri--but had $20 double with Paddy and only $5 ex in Preakness with the double going I saw no reason to bet to win-after saying that-don't ask why because I just bet poorly I had only a $2 double with the double with the Soul horse in the next race off Shackford yet bet $40 to win on him because the more I looked he much the best to me. Again I key tri's and missed yet had the ex--very dumb because instead of $65 that double paid $156

No pictures to post because I actually """cashed""""" my tickets so you will just have to believe. Two non-bettors from work met me act the track and won a couple hundred on my picks--you'd thought they won the lottery.

I guess JayJay and I win this round against the "pro's"? Capitals--really Vet?

Early pick for the Belmont? Shackleford again if he back well and runs--no one will run with him--he will win easier.

PS Vet--when you spout about fitness---have you ever had horses or trainers license? Ever seen a horse work lights out in 1:11 and get beat in the same time? Works are not the same as a race in 6 weeks.

sniper1 22 May 2011 3:35 AM

I love how some are so adament and even derogatory about their picks before a race, then quiet afterwards.  I'm learning the tought lesson that a teller at Churchill Downs told me once; the only way to beat the horses is to not play them.  Look at the TVG "experts" how often do one of their tickets hit?  Steve Haskin is a wonderful writer and I enjoy his columns (same with Steve Crist) and both are great handicappers; but do they make a profit betting?  I'd like to see TVG, Bloodhorse, and DRF keep track of annual bets to see who does handicap the best.  

Shackelford was my Derby play; had a huge bet (for me) on him to show, he has the pace his own way and fades.  Before the Preakness he is totally washed out and anxious, runs 22.69 the first quarter; and I "know" he's toast.  If he fades, I've got the Super (my bet was AK over Astrology, Dialed In, Dance City, and MMM).  But he doesnt against all explanation.  

The only ifs and almosts bring us back to this game, and the occassional payoffs that make us think we will someday figure it out.  

Congrats to Shackelford and the connections and those who picked it right (JayJay).  

Personally, I'm done betting.  

Who am I kidding; once I'm done sulking I'll be ready for the Belmont.    

Kevin 22 May 2011 7:29 AM

Rinzler and jayjay-Excellent handicapping work.

Slew

   Looks like you're going to have to keep eating your veggies.

Dr Drunkinbum 22 May 2011 10:18 AM

jayjay,

Congratulations to you and all those who were sharp enough to bet on Shackelford to win the Preakness. Nice score!!!

I wanted Animal Kingdom to go on to the Belmont with the TC on the line and was crushed that it's not going to happen again this year.

Congratulations to Dale Romans and the owners of this gutsy horse with the big blaze, Shackelford! Nice, nice win!  

Zookeeper 22 May 2011 10:25 AM

YES..I HAD MMM IN DERBY...THOUGHT HE RAN OK....DIALED IN IN PREAKNESS...THOUGHT HE RAN OK.....NO PROBLEM...THEY BOTH DIDNT WIN....WHY DOES DIALED IN ALWAYS GET SANDWICHED OUT OF GATE?....THIS GROUP IS PRETTY WEAK...BELMONT I HATE SHACK! I HATE NEHRO...HATE MMM ...HATE ASTROLOGY......I WONDER WHO IT WILL BE?

KY VET 22 May 2011 10:34 AM

A round of the King Of Beers for my Clydesdale faced Buddy SHACK. I was screaming "Hang on Clyde hang on!" props to AK for being just 1/2 a length short.

I Loved Irwins NBC 15 minutes MORE  of fame - he was awesome in his candor.  

Nice Call JayJay.  I hated how wet Shack was in the PP but we didnt see him foaming just drenched, he looked tighter and fitter all week.  He may not be the best at 1 & 1/4 but who could take him at just under? Maybe he can carry to the the 1&1/2 but frankly I hope he skips the Belmont and does what they said shoot for a HOTY bid winning what he can win stylishly.

The Curse of Dray strikes again my poor poor MMM.  

Dale Had a great Day, I hope Paddys foots ok.

Zen's Auntie 22 May 2011 11:48 AM

Congratulations to Dee and Trackjack who must have cleaned up on the bets they posted. I was not a fan of Astrology and the fact that Jeff Siegel was touting him made him even more unattractive. So he killed me in exotics.

Pedigree Ann 22 May 2011 12:46 PM

It was great to see Shackleford win this race. He held on with such guts. He was my derby horse but did manage to get the tri yesterday. On derby day the rail was dead and the track was still a little cuppy. This horse will get a mile and a 1/4 on a fast dry track. Just amazed how this horse always runs so big. He just loves to be in the lead.

In the Belmont Nehro will be the rested favorite. I will take a stand against him because call it what you will the horse loves to be second. In the derby he came flying and then just flattened out once he caught the leader. It looked like he was going to fly by. Some horses are like that.

Hope that all the horses came home safe and sound. Look forward to the Belmont and hope most of the top colts will give it a go.

jimthepimp 22 May 2011 2:47 PM

Thanks All, yes it was a good day. I didn't hit the trifecta and the .50 super and no, I didn't have a $40 WP on Shack ;)

I still can't believe Shack went off at 12-1.

LIT : Thanks, have a slight hangover...I had one beer lol.  The hangover is from CalExpo kickin' my butt last night.  

Looks like it might be like last year again, 3 TC races, 3 different horses...unless AK runs in the Belmont.  I think the distance gives AK and DI an advantage.  I won't be surprised a Da Tara type of Belmont, there's no standout and if you're going to steal a Belmont, this is one of those years where you can probably take it from the lead.  I would love to see Twinspired in the Belmont, have to check to see if there's any info on him.

JayJay 22 May 2011 3:49 PM

josh : I handicapped Shackleford exactly the other way around.  I thought there wasn't any speed in the race that can keep with him.  Only TF could have toasted him but he was out so I was really high on him.  Zen's Auntie thought the same way :).  2 hours leading up to the race, I kept watching his odds, he was 11-1  the whole time up until the race.  I think he went 12-1 at the last minute because Draynay put $200 WP on Sway Away lol.

KY VET : I think DI ran over your theories.  

I thought that wasn't a bad run considering he was freakin' DEAD LAST again.  I really think that DI has the stamina to be pushed closer to the pace.  I believe he'll get stronger since he doesn't have to weave in and out to get a path.  I'd rather see him pushed closer and lose than stay so far back.  I think someone needs to remind Zito DI is not Zenyatta :)

Rinzler : Nice bet on Shack, but what's a ladder bet ?  Is that the same as across the board?

JayJay 22 May 2011 4:33 PM

The Preakness, as it so often does, revealed the true leaders of the 2011 crop of 3 year olds.  

On a track that was producing quick times, the time for the Preakness was rather moderate, but it was a genuinely run race. Shackleford ran a quick and contested first quarter, and then kept up a solid pace through the half.  Shackleford was able to slow things down after that, running the next half in over 50 seconds for a moderate 6 furlong fraction of 1:12, but he was being tested the entire time.  

Shacleford was a ways from emulating Rachel's Preakness, but he definitely deserves credit for turning back all the other speed, opening up on the middle movers, and then holding off Animal Kingdom the final eighth.  While other speedburners like The Factor and Flashpoint generated more buzz, in the end Shackleford has clearly proven himself the superior frontrunner, at least at a classic distance.  

A big, sturdy built horse, Shackleford has the physique and talent to run solid fractions early and then keep fighting in the lane.  And Castanon gave him a great ride, allowing Shackleford to get out quickly and create seperation from Animal Kingdom.  If Catanon remains aggressive and doesn't try to slow things down too much, Shackleford is going to be a bear to run down the rest of the year.  There are no superstars in this crop, but Shackleford is definitely a quality horse, and his speed will make him dangerous in any spot.

Animal Kingdom lost nothing in defeat.  Given his inexperience, what Animal Kingdom has done these last two weeks is really remarkable.  This is a potentially very special colt, and he should only continue to improve.  I tip my cap to him and Graham Motion; well done.

Astrology validated all his early hype and is now poised to have a strong 2nd half of the year.  Well behind most of the others in terms of preparation, Astrology is rounding into form and now has the foundation for races like the Haskell and Travers.  I got to observe Astrology up close in the Santa Anita paddock during a schooling session, and he is one physical specimen.

I finally feel like I can comment on this crop.  Honestly, I had trouble making heads and tails from this group, and was uninsprired by just about all the preps.  Unlike in past years when I got behinnd a few horses, this year I just wasn't able to develop that "crush".  Part of the reason was that after Premier Pegasus was injured, I did not like the Triple Crown hopes of any of the horses I had been seeing in person out in California.  Last year, I was able to see Lookin at Lucky run 3 times before the Derby(including 2 year old races), and I was strongly behind him throughout the Triple Crown.  I had little faith in the Cali horses this year, and their inferiority has been clearly demonstrated in races like the Lexington, Derby Trial, Derby, and Preakness.

GunBow 22 May 2011 5:58 PM

All hail the GREAT Goldikova.  Enjoy this mare, because we are unbelievably lucky that she is still running as a 6 year old, given her overwhelming accomplishment.  I will forever treasure having seen her in person at the 09' Breeder's Cup.  If she remains healthy and in form, I may just have to buy plane tickets to Louisville just to see her, and witness her attempt for an unfathomable 4-peat.

GunBow 22 May 2011 6:02 PM

Surprise surprise draynay was wrong again. I see he picked MMM on Haskin's blog then picked Sway Away here. Somewhere out there there are 11 more blogs where he picked a different horse to win but not the Shack. draynay I guess Shackelford didn't belong in the race because he hadn't won a Graded Stakes prior and his biggest win was a 1X Allowance huh? I recall you whined like a little girl about how AK didn't belong in the Derby after he won since he had only won a G3 prior. Your logic is so twisted.

If not for trouble at the start and trouble on the turn and having to weave his way to find a lane AK would be in line for a shot at history.

I had the exacta a couple times, pick 3, and late pick 4 which didn't pay much. The guys next to me had it all, pick 3, pick 4, exacta, trifecta, and superfecta. I should have taken pics of their tickets ala draynay and posted them on facebook claiming they were mine.

Congrats to those who got it right.  

draynot 22 May 2011 6:39 PM

Goldikova wins again.  She is the greatest mare ever.

Draynay 22 May 2011 11:47 PM

Draynay

Goldi wins another G1.  This one included the winners of exactly two G1 wins, one each.  Six others including her stable-mate, a rabbit by the way, never won a G1.

LAZMANNICK 23 May 2011 12:55 PM

DRAYNAY

Yeah,you meant the greatest miler mare. lol

Mike Relva 23 May 2011 1:22 PM

Great,just what racing needs, Paddy O RETIRED TODAY. Another horse in his prime off to the breeding shed.

Mike Relva 23 May 2011 1:26 PM

jayjay, Zookeeper

   Shackleford sure is pretty, but I don't think that's the only reason he won The Preakness, do you? Game as a Grizzly, and pretty as a peach, but can he run as far as The Belmont Stakes can reach? Would love to see a son of Forestry win The Belmont and turn the breeding industry upside down !!! Go Shackleford !!!! I love this horse and have since The Florida Derby. He's got game.

Dr Drunkinbum 23 May 2011 1:29 PM

I'm glad to hear that Draynay is not on MMM for the Belmont.  Just like Shack, MMM is one of the ones that has a very good foundation this year.  I saw someone posted that he was still a 2 yr old when he ran in the Derby, I think he might be primed for the Belmont and I know he can run forever. AK showed he's real, he runs on any surface and I think the deeper track in Belmont is actually to his advantage.   DI is not running in the Belmont, so that means I'll save some money lol.

JayJay 23 May 2011 1:34 PM

Jason

   I hope you're doing well after a difficult time with your loss. Hoping you can get back on the horse and nail The Belmont. I know you didn't hit The Preakness but you did say that you wouldn't be surprised to see Shackleford run big again. Good luck with The Belmont.

Dr Drunkinbum 23 May 2011 2:00 PM

Right on draynot!! I see now draynay wants to drag up the Zenyatta crap by trying to bait others with his Goldikova statement just like he did last year. The guy never quits trying to argue, reminds me of a 7 yr old. I guess if you can't handicap a winner there isn't anything better to do.

Congrats to Shackleford and those who backed him. Animal Kingdom proved his Derby was no fluke and he's talented enough to run well on any surface. On to the Belmont where draynay has finally jumped on the Nehro bandwagon after missing it when he really paid well. Not so brilliant handicapping when you wait until everyone and their mother knows the horse has talent to jump on. I recall in his races before the Derby the draynay gave him no chance. It took two very solids efforts before the light went on. "Rookie!!"

mr pibb 23 May 2011 3:53 PM

...BELMONT I HATE SHACK! I HATE NEHRO...HATE MMM ...HATE ASTROLOGY......I WONDER WHO IT WILL BE?

KY VET 22 May 2011 10:34 AM.

...LEARN THE GAME!

KY VET 20 May 2011 9:13 PM.

tcc 23 May 2011 5:55 PM

Hey

Isn't Draynay still a maiden this year......still looking for his first win?

Dr D......another that knows how to pick a winner.  Congrats.

LAZMANNICK 23 May 2011 6:09 PM

Jayjay, a "ladder bet" is an across-the-board bet, hedging in each spot. This was my ladder bet for both The Derby and The Preakness:

$20 Win

$40 Place

$80 Show

This is a large bet for me. And I took this risk because I know I will never get odds on him like this ever again, even if he lost. I had to stand by my conviction that my Derby pick was not a mistake. At 12/1 it was worth a shot.

I don't do exotics because including a second horse is too much for me. I missed getting a piece in The Derby, but I thought I got a really good run for my money. In The Preakness, my heart sunk when Brothers and Stevens kept talking (how washed out Shackleford was) and I thought that was that. I never expected to see such a display of heart and fortitude from Shackleford after setting those kinds of fractions.

That was the kind of run that will stick in my mind for a long time.

Rinzler 23 May 2011 6:46 PM

Lazmannick

  Thank you very much. I love game horses. None gamer than Shackleford from the 3yo that I've observed this year. Combine that with the right style and conditioning for The Preakness, training great, with high energy and high cruising speed and he seemed to be the one most certain for a top three finish and excellent odds to take a shot with for the win.

Rinzler

   Good job. Here's another possible bet when show will pay decent and the odds for the win are good. If you bet 20-40-80 you could instead bet W-70&S-70 for the same amount of money. You'll get less if he gets second but a lot more if he wins and the show is usually enough in big races so that you still win. It's one I'm doing more often to take advantage of good odds for the win. My Derby bet was WS for Shackleford, and W only for The Preakness only because I lost the Derby completely and wanted less risk and more reward in The Preakness. On to the Belmont which is often my favorite of the three.

Dr Drunkinbum 23 May 2011 9:57 PM

Rinzler,

Ted from LA considers ATB bets as scared money.  Bet the win.  You might miss some small payoffs over a lifetime, but you'll hit bigger win bets that make up for it.  Remember, you only live once, unless you're mz.  She should bet place bets.  Who's going to the Belmont besides Ted from LA and Bob from Boston?

Bob from Boston 23 May 2011 10:12 PM

jayjay - Mucho Macho Man won't be 3 until June 15. He is still a puppy!:)

i am sick about Paddy O'Prado. Did not realize i would be watching him race for the last time.

LIT

Linda in Texas 23 May 2011 10:37 PM

Hey

Isn't Draynay still a maiden this year......still looking for his first win?

LAZMANNICK 23 May 2011 6:09 PM.

He will probably have to go into the maiden claiming ranks to get it!  

tcc 23 May 2011 11:32 PM

LAZ : LOL, you're right, still a maiden, not even a bridesmaid maiden.

Dr. D : Yeah, that horse loves being in the thick of things, just loves to compete.  I don't know about the distance in the Belmont, I think that would be really pushing him but hey, Da Tara.  I don't know if there's going to be any speedballs that will try Shack again specially at 12F...it's suicide.

Rinzler : Gotcha.  I wish I had your discipline just being able to play WPS.  I just can't get away at the possible payouts with the exotics, so I play more tickets the higher the odds.  Here's the funny part, the times I did hit the big ones is when I play less than $20.00 and that's mostly last minute bets.  You'd think I'd learn my lesson...nope lol.    I missed the comments about Shack being washed out but I did see he was kind of drench although didn't see any foaming so I chalked it up to him just being a hot horse that day.  I was foaming at the mouth thinking he might actually run at 11-1 lol.

JayJay 24 May 2011 4:24 AM

Isn't Draynay still a maiden this year......still looking for his first win?

LAZMANNICK 23 May 2011 6:09 PM

Laz,

Spot on and IF he ever breaks his maiden this year it'll be a "FLUKE".

slyder 24 May 2011 9:08 AM

My last post was understandingly dismissed by Jason as I went too far on a challenge to Dray and Vet---that said---it is one thing to disagree with someones picks but quite another to child and admonish them is another and I had a strong desire to quiet them. It was in second thought a bad post and idea.

I think both have too much "hubris" in them to care about others.

An analogy of the three of us in cartoon figures would be to say I am the sometimes cranky "Shrek" who shakes his head when he sees what is around him "Vet" is most like "Foghorn Leghorn" and needs a chicken hawk with a club and of course "Dray" is "Donkey" who won't shut up.

I am up on these things as I have a four year old to enlighten me on such topics as well as racehorse hobby.

sniper1 24 May 2011 10:44 AM

Goldikova was amazing and made her sweeping move to victory once again.  At six she looks just as good as she did at 2, 3, 4, and 5.  You are watching the greatest mare of our time enjoy it.

Draynay 24 May 2011 11:33 AM

Draynay, the greatest mare ever? Even her trainer admits she has distance limitations. Best miler ever perhaps. Beyond a mile on any surface Zenyatta would eat her up and spit her out!

Stevebiscuit 24 May 2011 3:14 PM

YOURE RIGHT SNIPER! WHY SHOULD I CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU PEOPLE SAY ON HERE? I MAKE THOUSANDS A MONTH BETTING HORSES....IVE HAD 2 LOSING MONTHS IN LAST 3 YEARS....I LOVE THIS GAME! I ONLY CRITICIZE STUPID COMMENTS! LIKE PEOPLE WHO THINK THE HORSES ARE NOT IN SHAPE FOR THE DERBY, OR PEOPLE TRYING TO PICK DERBY WITH BREEDING, OR JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING COLDFACTS HAS EVER POSTED,OR PEOPLE WHO DONT UNDERSTAND THE CROP RUNNING IN THESE TRIPLE CROWN ARE BARELY BETTER THAN ALW HORSES,OR PEOPLE THAT LIKE MMM BECAUSE HE JUST GOT 2 WEEKS OLDER, BUT IN THE END...YOU PEOPLE ARE PAYING MY RENT, SO KEEP ON BETTING PEOPLE!!!!!!

KY VET 24 May 2011 4:00 PM

As I posted, I had Shack and AK in my 4 horse ex box and went across the board with AK and Shack, so I did very well for the race.  They were the only bets on Saturday, spending the day outside with my grandson, watching him catch his entire little leaugue game and then went pond fishing (had a lot of action).  We did break, grab some food, went back to my motel room and watched the Preakness before heading back to the pond.

I was concerned with Shack's "macho man" antics before the race, but he's a true gamer and was on top of his game Saturday, what an animal!

I'm concerned about Shack getting a mile and a half and truth be told, if AK had not gotten so far back and have to come from 18 lengths, he would have caught Shack.  I think AK is a true mile and a half guy, if he's still got some fuel in the tank after these two races.

I have a hard enough time making my own picks that I find it entertaining that some on here have to rag on some one else's picks, but I do enjoy everyone's takes on these 3 year olds.

On to the Belmont and the winner is............

trackjack 24 May 2011 4:57 PM

KY VET aka DRAYNAY

Nice try!

Mike Relva 24 May 2011 6:12 PM

jayjay

   That was my exact thought-I didn't think he could get the 12f, and then I thought-"DaTara did it so you never know." I don't know if it's 50-50 still for Shackleford in The Belmont but he'd have to bounce back from the Preakness quick and be looking really good for me to run him. I'm a little concerned about him hooking up in a speed duel and frying himself. Game horses you have to be careful with sometimes. I'll probably be looking elsewhere but if Shackleford looks like DaTara did physically and there isn't too much speed in there it could be a go.

Dr Drunkinbum 24 May 2011 6:55 PM

KY VET,

WHY DON'T YOU TAKE SOME OF THAT MONEY YOU WIN AND GET SOME LESSONG ON HOW TO TYPE WITHOUT USING CAPS. I'M SERIOUS, IT'S ANNOYING AS HELL.

longwaytomay 24 May 2011 8:39 PM

LONGWAYTOMAY

I agree.

Mike Relva 24 May 2011 9:30 PM

Draynay/KY Vet will say or do anything for attention. lol

Stevebiscuit 24 May 2011 11:53 PM

Draynay : What do you think your HOTY Quality Road's chances against Goldikova in a mile match race?  And yes, I'm talking about on dirt.

KY VET : Two losing months in 3 years ?!?!?!!!  Wow, that's PHENOMENAL...quick question though...why are you still renting ??  I'm thinking if 3 years ago, you put a $2 win bet and keep parlaying it for the next 3 years on your winning bets, wouldn't that be enough to buy a house ?  Don't tell us you lost ALL of your winnings in the past 3 years on the Derby and Preakness, that would just be INSANE!  Just wondering...but hey, good job!

LIT : You like M&M&Ms? :)  I think he's sitting on his big race.  I'm not worried about Draynay jumping on his wagon, he's got Nehro all guaranteed to win the Belmont by a mile.  I bet you he will claim Nehro as the 2nd coming of Secretariat days from now...kind of like that "rapture" dude.

Dr. D : I had DI in the Florida Derby but I was (bleeping) my pants the whole stretch because this unknown horse wasn't stopping at all.  I thought this horse got lucky on the front end in that race.  His run in the Derby made me think he's a legit frontrunner and can cook anyone who goes with him.  I was very glad to see FP enter the Preakness because I know that would take money away from him but I was dead set on him because of the shorter distance and shorter stretch run.  Let's see how he looks on gameday!

JayJay 25 May 2011 5:00 AM

There goes draynay flip-flopping again. How many times has he wailed on and on that if a horse hasn't won at Saratoga, Belmont, or Gulfstream Park they weren't worth mentioning. Last time I looked Goldikova hasn't won at any of those tracks. 2 of her biggest wins came in California.

Don't get me wrong, I love the horse. I'm just sick and tired of draynay saying one thing one day then when it suits his fancy pretending he never said it. It's amazing how often he changes his tune and can still be wrong as far as picking winners goes.  

gw bushwacker 25 May 2011 4:55 PM


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