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From 'Rags' to Pletcher Riches

There wasn't a true Kentucky Derby prep run last weekend, but there was still major news on the Triple Crown front. It involved top rider Javier Castellano, who through his agent, Matt Muzikar, announced that Castellano would ride Algorithms and not Union Rags in the key Fountain of Youth Stakes on Feb. 26 at Gulfstream Park.

The decision sort of shook up the racing world, being that Union Rags is considered by most to be the Derby favorite as we sit here in mid-February. Wagering certainly backs up that fact, as Union Rags ended Pool 1 of the KDFW as the 7-1 individual favorite. Algorithms was the clear 12-1 second choice, but Union Rags is the more proven horse at this point. So what went into Castellano's decision? A lot more than you probably think.

The reaction by many people after hearing the decision was that maybe Union Rags isn't as good as most of us thought, or at least, Algorithms is better. Or maybe, Castellano, who has ridden Union Rags in his last three starts including the Breeders' Cup Juvenile, has questions about whether the colt can get the 1 1/4-mile distance. After all, he is by Dixie Union--a colt that had only one route win in his career--while Algorithms is by Bernardini. I don't believe either one of those were the deciding factor.

Here is what Muzikar had to say on Tuesday morning.

"It was a tough decision; it wasn't a black and white decision. A lot went into it," he said. "We delayed our decision until the last second, but Michael (Matz) needed an answer Monday morning (before Union Rags worked), so we had to decide. It takes nothing away from Union Rags or Michael. It's very difficult to give up a horse like Union Rags. Ninety-nine percent of the time our decisions are a lot easier to make. I didn't think we'd have to make this tough of a decision so early in the Triple Crown season."

In reality, the decision came down to nothing more than Castellano and Muzikar playing the odds and knowing where their bread is buttered. While Johnny Velazquez has been Pletcher's go-to rider for as long as anyone can remember, over the past couple years Castellano has become one of the top riders in the country, and if Velazquez is Pletcher's ‘A' then Castellano is now ‘1A'.

Example: Pletcher is making a mockery of the current Gulfstream meet, with a whopping 42 wins from 110 starters. Chad Brown, in second place, has saddled 14 winners. Castellano leads all riders at the meet with 53 wins and 255 mounts, while Velazquez is second in wins with 47 from 187 mounts. You do the math.

But getting back to the Triple Crown, Pletcher is as loaded with true contenders as he's ever been. Right now Castellano is the regular rider for at least four of Pletcher's top contenders: Algorithms, Gemologist, El Padrino, and Spring Hill Farm, who was an impressive allowance winner last week at Gulfstream. He also rode Discreet Dancer in both of his decisive victories, but Velazquez will be aboard in the Fountain of Youth.

So from Castellano's standpoint, it really was a calculated decision. If he stays on Union Rags he puts all of his eggs in one basket. By choosing Algorithms he not only stays on the runaway winner of the Holy Bull, but he also locks up the mounts on Pletcher's other top horses.

"You have to go with the odds," admitted Muzikar, who is also the agent for Cornelio Velasquez in New York, another rider that Pletcher often uses. "One trainer has four, possibly five, top Derby contenders. We're going to ride Spring Hill Farm in the Tampa Bay Derby most likely, and we'll probably ride El Padrino in the Risen Star, which is the day before the Fountain of Youth. Out of the top 15 Derby horses right now, four or five are with one particular trainer. We'd rather have an 80 percent chance than a 20 percent chance.

"Todd has always supported me as an agent. I have a very good relationship with him and we're very good friends. We had numerous talks about the decision."

When you consider all of those facts, Castellano's decision made sense, at least in terms of his business. Beginning next weekend in the all-important Fountain of Youth, we'll be able to find out if he made the right decision.

As for Union Rags and Matz, don't feel bad for them. Though they lost Castellano, they pick up Julien Leparoux, who is a top 5 rider himself. And short of an aging Calvin Borel, nobody is more comfortable at Churchill Downs than Leparoux.

I don't think Castellano's decision reflects poorly on Union Rags at all. As we've seen numerous times over the years, jockeys are not always the best handicappers. In this case, only time will tell.

121 Comments:

Castellano went from having a great shot in the Derby, to no shot at all.

Stevebiscuit 14 Feb 2012 1:09 PM

Nice article, Jason.  Happy Valentine's Day to all the lovely women of Triple Crown Talk.  Ted from LA said he hopes you all get your tires rotated today.  He has always been a safety guy.  Derby Fever has arrived.

Bob from Boston 14 Feb 2012 1:13 PM

well, we never know, at times we all have to make decisions, however, lets hope that when we do we make the right ones!! I guess that Castellano being the big jockey, and experienced race rider, and his agent truly knows the best choices, and I personally dont fault them, if I had the opportunity as them, and a trainer that had more than one horse to ride, when I can ride 3-4 or four for a regular trainer, and who gives me business year round, then I guess they both did the proper thing, best of luck to all of them!!

hopefully they do not disappoint when the time comes to prove their point!!!  

Dennis 14 Feb 2012 1:42 PM

Like I said Castellano played the odds but getting off Union Rags is crazy in my opinion but it worked out best for the horse and connections.  Getting Julien is ideal for the Derby because there is no better rider at Churchill than Julien.  Castellano has not had much success at Churchill in the Derby.  I say this makes Union Rags even tougher for the Derby.

Draynay 14 Feb 2012 1:44 PM

Thx, Bob/Ted.  On behalf of the harem, we all thank you for the "roses" on valentine's Day.  The harem all hope that they have the KD winner this year and will end up with real roses.

mz 14 Feb 2012 2:10 PM

p.s. Bob/Ted: we, in Canada (and the northeast) do not rotate Winter Tires.  We just change them.  Ourselves.

mz 14 Feb 2012 2:11 PM

Spring Hill Farm looks like a nice one, I know people like Billy are high on him. But he is a May 12 foal and just startd racing last month. That's obviously not ideal for the Derby.

Jason Shandler 14 Feb 2012 2:21 PM

Someone will have to keep that horse straight!  A jockey change won't matter as the horse (Union Rags) appears to be his own worst enemy.  We will see what his preps look like.

Householder 14 Feb 2012 2:37 PM

Cinco de Mayo is going to be muy bueno for Ted from LA and his amigas. It is so early in the season.  Where was Animal Kingdom on the radar last year at this time?  All I know for sure is any horse Draynay touts as the winner will not make the starting gate.  If it is still alive come May 5 it will be a moral victory for the horse and his connections.

Bob from Boston 14 Feb 2012 2:38 PM

What did i miss? Since when did UNION RAGS become a great horse? He's an ok horse, but really? Seriously...he is way over rated!

KY VET 14 Feb 2012 2:43 PM

Spring Hill Farm?  Who names these horses?  How about Windex Window Cleaner?  I like Windex, but I don't want to see it on my mint julep glass every year.

Bob from Boston 14 Feb 2012 2:45 PM

Javier hermano con todo el respeto cada vez que usted se ha bajado de un caballo para montarse en otro le sale ley de murphy, ojala estas vez no te pase se entiende que tu decision es mortivada a que practicanente eres el jinete nro 1 de pletcher y eso no es facil perderlo, pero......

ALGC 14 Feb 2012 2:55 PM

Crazy like a fox, or just plain crazy?  We will all know that answer on May 5th.

While I don't agree with Javier's decision, I also cannot fault him for going with the odds and with the hand that feeds him.  

Union Rags is easily better then any three year old in Pletcher's barn. I believe that, and I think Javier believes that. Javier's words a few months ago, "When I showed up and worked the horse (Union Rags) in the morning, it was unbelievable. I’ve never worked a horse like that and I’ve been very fortunate to ride horses like Ghostzapper and Bernardini. I’ve been a very lucky, fortunate guy, but this horse is unbelievable and special."

Knowing how Javier feels/felt about Union Rags, this decision caught me off guard a little, but, I am actually glad this call was made.  I didn't think Javier and Union Rags were ever a good fit and Union Rags won in spite of Javier, not the other way around. I feel with Julien getting a couple of works and a couple of races with Union Rags prior to the Derby, it will be quite enough for the two to be in synch as a team.  I think Julien's best track is easily Churchill, and I think Union Rags is good enough to win regardless of the jock on him, combine these two facts, and I think Mr. Matz is one happy trainer on how this all transpired.

Javier has never won the Derby, and really has not been on a contender since he rode the favorite Bellamy Road in 2005, even though they would finish seventh(I believe?). By making this decision, his odds are better in riding a favorite, but not better in actually winning if Union Rags is in the starting gate on May 5th.

Greg J. 14 Feb 2012 3:25 PM

As good as Mr Castellano is--he didn't help Union Rags. The horse had trouble in the 2 races I saw--and I think the jockey could have ridden him better. Remember Looking At Lucky and Garrett Gomez? Same thing here I believe.

anita b 14 Feb 2012 3:30 PM

Union Rags is a very nice horse. Had Pletcher been his trainer I'd give him zero chance to win the Derby. Castellano clearly cares more about winning preps than the big race. With Michael Matz, arguably one of the best horsemen in this game, Rags should be peaking when the Derby comes around. We'll see if it's enough.

Stevebiscuit 14 Feb 2012 3:31 PM

Este un un blog sólo en inglés, pero acuerdo con usted 100 por ciento.

Bob from Boston 14 Feb 2012 3:31 PM

Bob/Ted----Spring Hill Farm, the horse, was purchased as part of the dispersal of the Edward Evans owned farm by the same name after Mr. Evans' death. SHF was the last colt named by Mr. Evans, apparently only two days before he died. George Bolton kept the name as a show of respect for Mr. Evans and his contribution to the thoroughbred industry. Amazing what can be learned from raceday interviews. I, personally, find the name very pleasant.

Karen in Texas 14 Feb 2012 3:35 PM

Jason, Spring Hill Farm would be a perfect winner of the Preakness!!

Since his breeder, and one of Pletcher's best clients before he passed away, Edward Evans, was from Virginia, and he named this horse after the farm that Evan's owned in VA. I think that would be a heck of a story. First he gave Pletcher win 3000, then he wins the Preakness for Evans!

Billy's Empire 14 Feb 2012 3:40 PM

ok, Stevebicuit and Relva are now tied as the bloggers who hate Todd Pletcher the most.

Billy's Empire 14 Feb 2012 3:45 PM

Stevebiscuit:

Get over your problem with pletcher.

Greg:

Having ridden Bernardini, if you really believe a Dixie colt has a better chance than all the Pletcher horses, I am surprised what you learnt by riding those great horses. Rags ran his *ss off in his best ran race to be beat by Hansen, who was beaten by Alogrithms by a good margin. Castellano is a very smart guy, and he knows who has a better shot at Derby. None other than Pletcher at this moment.

sharjyl 14 Feb 2012 3:51 PM

I'll say it again...

You don't dismount off the 2012 Derby winner (if you think the colt is head and shoulders above the competition).

Castellano is "very" wise. He understands the difference between 2yr old colts and 3yr old colts.

Quote from Shandler:

"Beginning next weekend in the all-important Fountain of Youth, we'll be able to find out if he made the right decision"

This statement is quite flawed. The Fountain of Youth will "only" be the battle. The Kentucky Derby will be the "war"

The battle ("Fountain of Youth") is 8.5 furlongs. The war (Kentucky Derby) is 10 furlongs. This will separate the men (Bernardini) from the boys (Dixie Union).

Enough said...

Secretariat 14 Feb 2012 3:55 PM

Thanks for the information, Karen.  I still do not like it, but I will refrain from saying anything about it again out of respect.  Starting now.

Bob from Boston 14 Feb 2012 4:02 PM

Thanks for those words of wisdom Secretariat, oh enlightened one. If it wasn't obvious before, it is now...you really do know it all.

Jason Shandler 14 Feb 2012 4:25 PM

It is a really difficult decision to make but the numbers don`t lie

edrul427 14 Feb 2012 4:34 PM

There was no "handicapping" involved as far as which is the better horse.  It was a purely business decision. Pletcher will be able to give him more quality mounts long term, so he (arguably) got off the better horse for that reason.  Good business decision on his part even if it lowers his chances of winning the KD this year.

DanC 14 Feb 2012 4:43 PM

I think that Javier's true decission came after reading Triple Crown Talk Blogs. And Once he found out that Draynay put his curse on Union Rags, He just knew he didn't want that Mount anymore........LOL.

Rolling Thundar 14 Feb 2012 4:54 PM

Greg J.  thanks for doing all the work for me.  Algorithms looked good running down a blistering fast half mile by Hansen.  Notice he didn't continue to pull away from Hansen and only won by 3.  Good luck pulling away from a perfectly timed run by Julien on Union Rags next week.  Stay healthy Union.

Draynay 14 Feb 2012 4:59 PM

to all of you know it alls,heres my take.i think castellano did the right thing.even if union rags would win the derby castellano would make ten percent of the winning purse.now lets say pletcher takes him off the rest of his mounts later on in the year in newyork and kentucky,what would castellano be losing more. all jockeys want to win a ky derby ,but would anybody say stewart elliot is a better jockey than castellano. there will always be more derby mounts for castellano from pletcher than matz.don't bite the hands that feed ya. but with that said breeding has nothing to do when you get a special one i think union rags is better than algarithims,but only time will tell.ps jason northern dancer was a may foal a great one can come from anywhere and be born later.

mybooandme03 14 Feb 2012 5:42 PM

Happy Valentine's day to all!  Speaking of Valentine's Day, I think some bloggers today have had their fair share of candies, cookies and treats resulting in a sugar rush of cerebral clarity in prognosticating on Triple Crown Talk.

Rolling Thunder:

great take on Javier's decision.  I heard Javier's agent communicates regularly with Bob from Boston and is the first to know Draynay's prediction.

Draynay:

What's your opnion on Union Rags becoming a Triple Crown winner?

Bob from Boston:

All I have to say to you is "El Padrino", and yes Derby Fever has arrived.

Bob/Ted:

Have you ever met Draynay?

Secretariat:

I like your war/battle analogy.  I've always wished the TV producers would show more of these magnificent "warriors" preparing for "battle" in the paddock, walking ring and on the track instead of talking heads. The casual fan wants to pick the winner and thoroughbreds preparing for battle are better 'seen' and talked about, rather than just talked about.  As far as the Bernardini  vs. Dixie Union battle(s), you're right on paper but those horses still have to battle it out on the track.  In the end the horses themselves will do battle, not their pedigrees.

I also heard one of the best treatments for Derby fever was eating Valentine's day treats...mmmm..just one more cookie.  Oh, did I mention that Discreet Dancer will cook 'em all in the FOY?

trackjack 14 Feb 2012 6:17 PM

Algo has already ran as a 3yo,these colts do grow from 2 to 3 and Union Rags was not undeafeated eventhough Hansen WAS and has not run as a 3yo.I dont see what the discussion is about.Algo loves Gulfstream and is on track to win the FOY and the Florida Derby.Union Rags only race at Churchill was a 2nd to previously unbeaten Hansen and his times and speed figures do not tower over his peers.Having said that there is no reason why Union Rags could not be as good a 3yo as he was a 2yo.These colts are like growing teenagers some of them will be better as 2yos some as 3yos,those that like Union Rags are hoping he is as good as 3yo as he was last year.

NASCAR PRO 14 Feb 2012 6:28 PM

Sorry I miswrote on last post,those that liked Union Rags as a 2 yo hopes he is better not as good,of a 3yo.I am not convinced of anything yet, but I didnt take him in the FIRST installment of Derby Futures.

NASCAR PRO 14 Feb 2012 6:41 PM

First Ted/Bob, a very Happy Valentine's Day to you too. Just be glad you didn't have to buy me a Valentine's Day present. My husband told me to buy "myself something nice." I did :).

Jason, interesting blog and I think you are right on all counts. Castellano is a very good jockey and he wants to ride the best, and most of the best. Michael Matz will have no problems getting a really good jockey. Algorithms is  on a role but, in a field of 20, there is more at play then just who is riding the best horse.

Just FYI eberyone, some day Draynay is going to be right about the Kentucky Derby.

Paula Higgins 14 Feb 2012 6:58 PM

Billy, no hatred here. I just think he's vastly overrated. Not everybody has to worship Pletcher. You east coasters can have him.

Stevebiscuit 14 Feb 2012 7:01 PM

Properantes on Creative Causes' female side won the longest graded stakes race in America in the 70s at 1 3/4.  I like his stride and "long" movement, he will grind it out and runs straight as an arrow. Let's see how he does sprinting first.  He's been working well for his return.

Householder 14 Feb 2012 7:23 PM

Speaking of "even splits" how about Baffert/Zayat Stable's Bodemeister?  Nice maiden win by nine finishing up the mile in 1:34 and change.  Flying below the radar.

Householder 14 Feb 2012 7:30 PM

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Yes!  Derby Fever has begun!

trackjack 14 Feb 2012 7:45 PM

Check that for RTTR.com, if I said Jan. 25th, I meant Feb. 25th.

trackjack 14 Feb 2012 8:01 PM

This decision wasn't difficult:  Castellano and his agent are setting themselves up for top mounts all year long, including mounts on top two year olds for next year;s Derby.  This is a game of numbers as Bob Baffert would tell you.  I love Mike Matz, but there was only one logical choice between his barn and Pletcher's.

I am pretty sure that Castellano will be ahead of Leparoux in the money winning standings at the end of the year because of the horses he will ride for Pletcher.

skyfire 14 Feb 2012 8:15 PM

Castellano not only lost all chance of riding the Derby winner, but also the best chance at a Triple Crown winner in quite sometime. I think Julien is an improvement, so this works out in Union Rags' favor all the way around. After Union Rags' loss in the BCJV I was hoping they would take Castellano off him. Nothing against Castellano, but I think Julien is the better choice for this horse. Does anyone really believe that anything in Pletcher's barn will be more ready for the Derby than Union Rags, I don't.

predict 14 Feb 2012 8:40 PM

Dray,

Quite welcome, and thanks for pointing out that Algorithms didn't pull away from Hansen after he went ahead of him by three lengths even after everything Hansen endured in the race.

Sharjyl,

You seriously aren't comparing Hansen's Holy Bull and his Juvenile, are you?  The two races could not be more different.  I will go on the record and say, if all three are in the field come the first Saturday in May, Union Rags and Hansen will finish ahead of Algorithms.

Greg J. 14 Feb 2012 9:29 PM

I really need to proof my posts. It's "roll" not "role." Also not "eberyone" but "everyone." Geesh. @predict, yup, you might just be right about Julien being a better pick for him.

@Stevebiscuit, I think Pletcher has an advantage over smaller training operations and that is his sheer volume of good horses. So I would expect him to do very well. It doesn't mean he is the best trainer out there, although I think he is a very good one. It's a perpetual circle: he wins more races so the good horses go to him, and then they win, and on and on... I think trainers with the smaller operations are more likely to give a horse with issues, or less stellar talent, a better shot with more personalized attention, and maybe waiting longer to race them. I would love to see Michael Matz win the Derby.

Paula Higgins 14 Feb 2012 10:02 PM

Triple Crown ?  Union Rags looks good right now and seems to like out running his breeding.  I think the jockey switch makes Union a better horse.  Julien is a expert at making that one run.  I can see a healthy Union winning the Derby and the Preakness but to then run down 6 or 8 fresh horses in the Belmont might be a lot to ask.  However, the lack of talent on the track this year may help him just like it did a certain horse back in 1973.

Draynay 14 Feb 2012 10:08 PM

I know this will shock many but I actually like a California horse this year.  Creative Cause got some of my future Derby money.  I like the path he is taking to the Derby and I expect him to be the best coming in from the West.

Draynay 14 Feb 2012 10:27 PM

i said after the BC Juvenile that Union Rags needed  a new jockey & would have won if soneome like Calvin Borrel had been on him. I still feel that way. I just wish they would have gotten Calvin on him this year. I also think Union Rags needs blinkers. That's my opinion, for what it's worth.

Sugarfoot 14 Feb 2012 11:46 PM

trackjack,

I have not met anyone from this board.  Jason and I have private messages back and forth about three times a year and I have impure thoughts about a few other posters.  Speaking of which, I was supposed to give mz Oaks tickets last year, but we missed each other.  I imagine that Draynay is much like many characters I've met at the track.  I'm sure I'd like him.  He does a great job getting under the skin of so many people.  He frequently posts things I know he doesn't really believe.  My theory is that he is Rush Limbaugh.  Paula, I didn't know you were wealthy.  Will you and your husband (or dad as I like to refer to him) adopt me?

Bob from Boston 14 Feb 2012 11:46 PM

i wouldn't bet on either algorithms or union rags in the FOY--discrete dancer will only be carrying 116lbs or so in the FOY.

the light weights in the FOY tend to win it impressively (a la soldat and eskendereya and quality road (can you believe he only carried 114lbs!?!)).

while the heavy weights tend to lose it embarrassingly, if they're lucky (a la THAS and capt candyman), or lose it embarrassingly and never race again (a la gourmet dinner and buddy's saint), if they're not.... just sayin...

the smartest thing maker and team hansen figured out is that you do not want to be the high weight in a GP race in spring--or you lose and odds on your horse gets ruined in the process.

it may be too late for hansen, he may already have been ruined by giving 6 lbs to algorithms in the holy bull, but i hope not...hopefully, since it was only a mile, it will be more like quality road's FOY (also only a mile) where capt. candy man (the high weight) came away from his loss ok, and not like gourmet dinner and buddy's saint's FOYs....

heh--in eskendereya's year both super light weight long shots came in 2nd and 3rd (pleasant prince and ice box)...funny too that capt candyman's loss was almost the exact same margin as hansen's holy ull loss...but QR had both a fast track and a 2 lb weight advantage over algoritms, but only came home .08 of second faster than aglorithms....

papillon 14 Feb 2012 11:47 PM

Lack of talent helped Secretariat in the Belmont?  I have just one word  . . . .   Sham.  Any other year, he would have been a superstar.  He had the great misfortune to be born in the same year as Big Red.

saharagold 15 Feb 2012 3:01 AM

Papillon a simple question where did you find the weight assignments for the FOY?

NASCAR PRO 15 Feb 2012 8:16 AM

Lack of talent led Secretariat to a 30 length win at Belmont.  No one ever considers just how bad the other horses performed.  It was a very very weak bunch running at Belmont that day.  Union Rags is facing a tough bunch coming back but Julien will time his last run perfectly.

Draynay 15 Feb 2012 11:29 AM

Playing the odds? Its a smart business move to jump horses but Castellano will not get the glory the first Saturday in May. What is Pletchers Churcill record...I can tell you its brutal! He could have 15 horses in the derby and still not win! Its way too early still in the game. I do know that Missouri tigers will be in the final four....book it!

It aint easy being good! 15 Feb 2012 11:32 AM

Draynay,

You have stated many time that the clock never lies. So what did the lack of competition have to do with a time that will never be surpassed?

longwaytomay 15 Feb 2012 11:56 AM

Well, I dont know what will be the outcome in the fountain of youth to be run later this month, feb. 2012' at Gulfstream park, however, "one mans trash, is another mans' glory" so although I have said that I would also ride the trainer who feeds me, and gives me now almost 100% business

in my profession, (race riding horses) I also do question the loyalty, and commitment..years ago Jockeys would stick with a racehorse, unless passed over to another by the owning  connections, for various reasons, and at times this do work, and like some things, changes are great

as new changes brings sometimes great results, however, I think that while analyzing the javier castillano, and his agent move in rejecting Union rags ride, could it be too early to do so? could they have at least ride in the fountain of youth, and if Algorithims were to defeat union Rags, then the clause could be I will ride Algorithims in the derby?

you see, some agents are great, but they lack the hind sight, and also by them saying "the connections are great "THE UNION RAGS PEOPLE, and we wish them the best of luck, this did not wash well with  me, as this luck wish came to  me as an un-grateful thank you!! seeing that castellano was the rider for their horse, and now because they believe they have a better horse, which could be true, they had no scruples about jumping off the wagon, and leave their loyalty along the way!!

where are the loyal race riders of yester-years?eg..although now deceased;"Donald mccbeth", "Buck Thornburgh","Willie Shoemaker", I am not sure if Buck Thornburgh have passed away, if not then please I apologize, as I have not heard anything from him in many years, but just a mention, and the loyal kid "world favorite "STEVIE KID CAUTHEN", those guys were horsemen, and knew that their charges had big moments in their careers, only when the time came, but now in this modern time Horse-racing, Jockeys apparently have no say anymore, it's their agents who runs the bookings, and choose the rides, fair enough..but for me I would be as faithful as can be, as trainer matz, is as great a horseman as most, and also this will only make him finally realize more about the game he is in, it's not a loyal one anymore, like in the days of old, personally, if I were to win the kentucky derby with union rags, or even defeat Algorithims with union rags, in the fountain of youth at gulfstream park, then no matter what, Javier castellano would never ride another horse for me', most of you would now say I am acting childish, but if javier beat me, then he would ride for me again!this is my style, be with me, through hard times, and not because it looks greener on the other side, you run a way from me!!

finally, most of the times the one they run away from, is the right deal, and then this too they have to always live with, but this is the nature of the game...we now await" the battle of wits"

Dennis 15 Feb 2012 12:07 PM

It was a weak horse that Man O War beat by 100 lengths, but he bested the world record by 6 full seconds.  It does not diminish the performance of Man O War.  The competition does not diminish the performance of Secretariat.

Footlick 15 Feb 2012 1:32 PM

Creative Cause has done little wrong.  He already has a Grade 1 win, has taken out Baffert's big 2 year old gun Drill, and his stalking trip behind Hansen in the Breeder's Cup was brilliant.  The longer the better.

Householder 15 Feb 2012 2:05 PM

Enough is enough w/ this clown. Now he is admitting that he can't even read a chart. The official margin of victory in the Holy Bull was 5 lengths, not 3.

Also, do you think that the small field in the '73 Belmont might have had something to do w/ the first two legs, maybe?  Sham ran one of the fastest KY Derbies in history, just born in the wrong year.

Here is some free advice for the sad clown---You might want to look into something called "Pedigree" before you make your next prediction in any 10f race.

Although the Creative Cause selection, unlike his previous picks, actually might have a chance, being sired by the 2000 BC Classic runner-up.(his only start on dirt.)

Minnesota Kid 15 Feb 2012 2:14 PM

I still can't understand why connections don't pounce on Borel?

He's available use him!

WinnahPickah 15 Feb 2012 2:27 PM

Not only does the competition or lack thereof not diminish the performance by Secretariat, had there been "better" competition, he likely would have run that race even faster. I've heard recorded interviews where Turcotte stated, "He was running easy."

Karen in Texas 15 Feb 2012 2:37 PM

Creative Cause acts like a Gemini in the morning. He has two different sides to him.

If he trains in company, he's alright. If he trains alone, he's lazy.

Secretariat 15 Feb 2012 3:36 PM

Draynay, if Secretariat's Belmont was such a weak race, explain to me why no one was come within 2 seconds of matching his world record since 1973? How do you think your favorite miler Uncle Mo would have faired?

Stevebiscuit 15 Feb 2012 3:44 PM

You know, that with all of the People that read, and comment on Triple Crown Talk. And a Fun bunch of Characters you All are. Maybe someone could create a league in the Road to the Rose's contest for this Fun Bunch.

Then maybe Jason could post the League, and Activation numbers, so that we could then see Who Knows Best. And who would have the Most Bragging Rights.

Rolling Thundar 15 Feb 2012 6:30 PM

The performance by Big Red was the best ever on a very fast track that day.  But the rest of the field was very weak.  I don't believe the rest of the field won another race the rest of the year.  Not one.

Draynay 15 Feb 2012 6:37 PM

Sham closed the final 1/4 of the Kentucky Derby in 23 4/5ths with 2 busted teeth.  I would say that was pretty good competition.  Very few have done this since.  Monarchos or Funny Cide perhaps?  Whirlaway did it earlier.  We all know what went wrong in the Belmont.  They sent Secretariat to the lead and Pincay was instructed to stick with Secretariat. Sham simply could not do it.  Big Red was too powerfull.  

Householder 15 Feb 2012 7:30 PM

Bob/Ted, Bill is having our lawyer draw up the adoption papers as we speak. We are not what I would call wealthy. But my husband says I spend money as if we were. I used to think if there were checks left in the checkbook, then there must be money in the bank. Have you ever bounced a check to the Girl Scouts (buying cookies)? I have. Enough said.

Draynay, you know better. I know you do. Secretariat's record at the Belmont speaks for itself. Times don't lie. He was just racing the clock. It doesn't matter who he was racing that day. They were just part of the scenery. A part of me feels very bad saying that about Sham because he was a phenomenal horse. But it is what it is.

Black Caviar goes for #19 this weekend after a 1 week layoff.

Paula Higgins 15 Feb 2012 8:12 PM

Another reason Secretariat ran that 31 length, record time winning Belmont was that Ron Turcotte said he didn't want to repeat any of the questioning that took place after the Preakness. (For all you youngsters: the official Pimlico timing clock malfunctioned during the race and people argued for weeks over the actual time of the race.  The Maryland Jockey Club finally decided in favor of Cannonaro's time as the record, but to this day, many fans (me included) still opt for Secretariat.)

Jean in Chicago 15 Feb 2012 8:34 PM

Although I still don't believe that Union Rags will get the Derby distance of 10F because of the inability of his sire (I believe) to sire a 10F winner, I think that some are being unnecessarily harsh in judging his BC Juvenile performance, especially his erratic swerving at the end.  When I first saw him do that nearing the wire during the running of the race I attributed it to the fact that he had given all he had and was straining to get just a little bit more.  I have seen that with other horses who swerve near the line when trying to give more and in their next performance and in the one immediately preceding that race they ran straight.

The thing to remember is that Union Rags did run an additional 78 feet.  I am not using that as an excuse because many horses have to run wide trips, but if you consider a length at somewhere between 9 and 10 feet, then Union Rags ran an additional 8 lengths.  Now if he would have had a trip along the rail all the way without losing ground then his time would have been 1 3/5 seconds faster, making his final time approximately 1.42 4/5ths over not the fastest strip and his adjusted Beyer would have been approximately 9 to 10 points higher than the Beyer assigned and would adjust to approximately 103 or 104.  This points to a horse that should be able to handle his Derby prep races.  However, for him to stretch out and get the Derby distance itself will probably prove to be too difficult.  

LAZMANNICK 16 Feb 2012 12:19 AM

nascar pro--do you mean how did i find the weight assignments for the past editions or how do i know what they will be this year?

if you meant the first--just google "fountain youth stakes entries" with the year (sometimes you have to play with it a little bit, but usually not).

there's probably a faster way than that too, but that's how i did it (for the gotham it's really easy, they list all past winners with their weights (but not the also rans, unfortunately)--hansen won't have it easy in the gotham btw, over the last 12 years, only one horse has won it carrying more than 116lbs--and that horse was only carrying 120 lbs-- hansen will be carrying 123lbs. but as long as hansen runs well, even if he doesn't win again and gets beaten by another light weight, i'll be satisfied.

if you meant this years foy weight assignments, just read the nominations blurb for the race: this year the base weight is 122lbs; nonwinners of a grade 1 or 2 get 2 lbs; nonwinners of a grade 3 or $60,000 at a mile or more, get 4 lbs; and nonwinners of races other than maidens and claiming, get 6 lbs. it's a really stupid systme--since the highweight like rags and hansen don't have to have raced in months, while the low weights can have had several recent wins over the track...it's a perfect system for ruing horses...and that's exactly what it does every year.

anyway, based on the rules, rags is the high weight, since he's won a grade 1--122lbs

algie gets an advantage over rags, he'll be 120 lbs (since he's won a grade 3) (but it's still a big step up from his measley 116 of the Holy Bull, and a long way from the 126 he'll have to tote in the KY derby)

but discrete dancer gets the biggest advantage (just like algie had over hansen)--he'll get at least 6lbs, 116lbs tops.

hansen won't have it easy carrying 6 lbs more than pretty much everyone else in the gotham, but at least he isn't going to have to worry about getting into a seed duel with DD in the heat and humidity, carrying 6lbs more than DD. and he'll have the best rider at aqueduct--who is way more successful there than at GP.

tbh pletcher is no training god-- he just realized you can rack up a lot of wins between january-march if you happen to have a lot of "late maturing" 3 year olds, because the until the derbies, where all horses carry equal weight, any decent light weight is likely going to beat the high weights--i.e. all the horses who had success as 2 year olds.  and it's easy to have late maturing 3 yr olds, just don't race them much or at all at 2....

anyway, it isn't that horses like hansen stopped progressing and horses like algorithms caught up or passed them progression-wise--it's just that horses like algorithms are decent horses who are given easier races than those like hansen--and it shouldn't surprise anyone that talgie handled it easily (though it always does)--but his having done so doesn't tell you anything about how he'll handle 120lbs (which was soldat's limit--soldat was never better than 5th over 120 lbs, and he quit after 1/4 mile at 126lbs).  

fwiw pletcher and his multitudes of high price ponies do not do so well in weight for age races. the smaller stable trainers and baffert do much better in the races that really count, where the playing field is at a level weight.

papillon 16 Feb 2012 1:00 AM

Look, I totally understand Javier's decision. Algorithms did start his career in June with a strong maiden victory at Belmont. since his layoff he has been nails beating the favorite every time. He is out of Bernadini,which in my opinion, is a much stronger pedigree than Dixie Union. If Algorithms does not pan out, he also has stand outs El Padrino, Gemologist and Spring Hill Farm. The bigger decision will come late in April when he might have to make that final choice for the derby.

RJPPDP 16 Feb 2012 1:24 AM

papillon I looked at the nominations for the 2012 FOY and their were no weight assignments.

NASCAR PRO 16 Feb 2012 9:30 AM

papillon ok I see you calculated it yourself.

NASCAR PRO 16 Feb 2012 9:35 AM

I am surprised that this even made the cut as a blog option. But why not, just more hype for the Pletcher regime. Pletcher has a small army of KY Derby contenders and Matz has one known monster in his barn. So the decision for Castellano was easy, money talks and no one can blame him for wanting to earn more money. So far I am not that impressed with Spring Hill Farm or Algorithms. I am much more interested in the progress of Gemologist.

Leparoux is an excellent rider and should fit Union Rags well. A Fountain of Youth/FL Derby double should end all talk about Union Rags and his ability as a horse. If he runs back anywhere close to his Champagne victory, all others are running for second in FL.

Forbidden Apple 16 Feb 2012 10:26 AM

Jason: Why don't you just tell the truth. Muzikar heard Draynay tabbed Union Rags as the Derby winner and he jumped off even as  the colt was still jogging.

I also found it interesting you characterized Borel as "aging". Of course that's true but I find it more difficult to determine when a jockey "loses" his talent to age  than any other athlete. For example, you can tell when a pitcher loses a couple of miles per hour on his fastball or a running back loses his legs but it's most difficult to tell when a jockey ages in the saddle, losing his legs or that clock in his head. Jason, how do you tell when a jock is aging?

steve from st louis 16 Feb 2012 10:31 AM

Steve: I can tell by the lack of mounts he is getting, his win % falling off, and by what I see and hear. He'll probably keep getting Derby mounts for the next couple years based on his record, but nobody is jumping at the chance to secure his services anymore.

Jason Shandler 16 Feb 2012 10:49 AM

Papillon I just checked the last two editions of the FOY.In 2011 there was one colt at 122 lbs checked in 3rd the 120lbs colts were 1st and 2nd,there were 4 colts at 116 lbs best of them finished 4th out of 8 horse field.In 2010 highweight Buddys Saint ran out of the money once again colts weighted at 120 lbs finished 1st and 2nd,this time it was a 10 horse field 6 colts were weighted at 116 best of them finished 3rd.I will check back a few more years but in the last two years the high weight 122 lbs did not win one in 2010 and 2011 but colts at 120lbs were 1st and 2nd in both years.

NASCAR PRO 16 Feb 2012 11:26 AM

Papillon In 2009 the two lowest weighted colts were 1st and 2nd,the two high weights were 3rd and 4th and last the 120lb weighted finished between 4th and last.In 2008 it was a 12 horse field winner was 118 lbs the only high weight 122lbs finished 3rd,more than half the field was weighted at 116 lbs and one of them finished 2nd.Since you have piqued my interest in the weights carried I will go back a couple of more years.So far only 2009 a low weight won the race,but high weights highest finish 3rd in last 4 years.

NASCAR PRO 16 Feb 2012 11:45 AM

Ted from LA used to write some funny stuff here before he jumped out of that plane with his backpack on, but that Paula Higgins Girl Scout story is the best ever.  I know all of you are aging, but luckily for me I have been watching many informercials and have been getting younger.  How do you tell if a jockey is aging?  His/her horses get slower.  If Draynay bets on said jockey, it can produce a false positive.

Bob from Boston 16 Feb 2012 11:53 AM

Papillon just checked 2006,2007 and once again high weights didnt win but neither did low weights 116 or less.After looking at these result charts the high weights 122lbs dont win but come in at least 3rd almost every year and the only low weighted colt to win in the years I checked 2006-2011 was weighted at 114 lbs in 2009,Quality Road.I will try to exploit these facts in my exotic bets on the 2012 FOY.

NASCAR PRO 16 Feb 2012 12:30 PM

Can anyone who have contact with Dale Romans, please advise Dale that his big horse" shackleford" is a fully grass bred race-horse, and that he should now concentrate his charge on the Grass! also advise him that although Shackleford won the preakness on dirt,that  does not mean that he is pure dirt, race-horses can win on any surface, but since he is grass bred out of "FORESTRY" one would think that he would have already tried Shackleford on the grass?

the Horse is crying for the grass, and come on big "DAVE" try him now, you have nothing to lose, and guess what if you do, you probably wont ever race Shackleford on the dirt again!!!!!!!

Dennis 16 Feb 2012 12:45 PM

I have seen it many times over the years and in sports in general.  Sometimes you will see a athlete do well into his 40's but not very far into the 40's.  There is a big difference between 41 or 42 and 44 or 45.  Prado is not what he was a few years ago and Jerry Bailey was a much different jock at 40 and 41 the he was just 2 years later.  Calvin is now 45 and is not the jock he was just a few years ago.  Castellano, Julien, and Dominquez are in their prime with Eddie Castro coming up behind them.  I wouldn't place a lot of faith in a Jockey 43 and over.  There are exceptions but its a young mans game.

Draynay 16 Feb 2012 1:09 PM

Draynay, you're mental. The fact is based on time Secretariat would win the Triple Crown in any year. That includes the Preakness, where the electronic timer malfunctioned, but unofficially he ran the fastest Preakness ever. The thing about great athletes is they make good athletes look average even weak.

SouthernChris 16 Feb 2012 2:05 PM

Southern I have not said a word about Secretariat other than his Belmont performance was the best I ever saw by any horse.  However, you CANNOT argue that the field he ran against was one of the worst ever.  Like I said I don't believe ANY of them won another race all year.

Draynay 16 Feb 2012 2:41 PM

Baffert may run Bodemeister back in the San Felipe.  46.95 for the half mile and then pow he was gone after that against maiden company at a mile Feb. 11th (finishing up the last quarter in under 24 seconds).  9-10 length winner.

Householder 16 Feb 2012 3:12 PM

Secretariat/Sham/Our Native/Forego--that is the 1973 Ky Derby Superfecta and I'll match that with every Derby since, thank you very much! As for this year, Empire Way and Gemologist got some of my money in round 1 of Derby Futures....

Matthew W 16 Feb 2012 3:41 PM

Mr.Shandler,

I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the apparent lack of interest in your previous blog.

A popular writer of a popular blog on a popular horse racing website produces an article in which the subject is quoted as saying "I'm around celebrities all the time so maybe this would be good for the sport."

This article has been up for nearly a week now, attracting just 35 comments, and roughly half of those are not even about the subject.

Perhaps Mr. Keith is not quite as popular as he thinks he is.

By the way, this just in--his music sucks. He took advantage of a national tragedy 10 1/2 years ago, writing some songs that appealed to his moronic, half-witted fans. Truly pathetic.

Minnesota Kid 16 Feb 2012 4:02 PM

I guess age is just a number, boys, because the Shoe won his Derby aboard Ferdinand at age 55 and Lester Piggott won the Breeders Cup Mile aboard Royal Academy at the same age 10 days after spending a year in jail for tax evasion. Talk about champion jocks!

steve from st louis 16 Feb 2012 4:34 PM

Minnesota Kid: By last count, the blog had been read by more than 11,000 people. I think it was fairly popular, but it's not the type of blog that lends itself to blogger comments/debate.

Your opinions on Toby are duly noted, however.

Jason Shandler 16 Feb 2012 4:35 PM

Papillon just checked last 4 years in my research to make it a decade of results 2002,2003,2004,2005.Guess what in these 4 years when there were highweights 122 they won 3 out of 4 of these samples.The low weights 116 lbs or less did not win one came in 2nd in 2005 sandwiched in between 120lbs weight colts,there were  NO HIGHWEIGHTS 122LBs in 2005.In 2004 low weight there were 3 out of 8 finished at the bottom 6th 7th and 8th.In 2002 and 2003 as I wrote on here highweights won and low weights managed only a 3rd in both 2002 and 2003.My conclusion which I hope will allow me to use in exotic bets in 2012,high weights  122 lbs have not won since 2005.They have come in 3rd or better in the years they didnt win which were the last six except for what I consider the anomaly 2009, when the low weights 114,116 finished 1st or 2nd.I will try to beat the highweights for 1st and maybe key in 3rd using colts weighted 118-120 in 1st and 2nd the low weights 116 or less I might ad no higher than 2nd,but since I dont have the final entries I cant really reach a concrete conclusion where I can write my bet and my  covers just because I dont key a highweight on top depoending on the odds dosent mean I wont cover with a straight  win bet odds permitting.So I dont know your conclusion but I looked at the charts and the only low weight winner was 2009,Quality Road.

NASCAR PRO 16 Feb 2012 6:00 PM

Secretariat would have been favored, and won, the 1972 Breeders Cup Classic (if run), as a two year old.

Matthew W 16 Feb 2012 6:14 PM

Steve From St Louis Shoe is the reason Pat Day and Rampage don't win the Derby on Rampage (by five!)---The Great Bill Shoemaker made that hole first cuz he was Shoe--at 54, still Shoe....

Matthew W 16 Feb 2012 6:17 PM

Thanks for you input Matthew but we were talking about the lousy field Secretariat faced in the 1973 BELMONT.  I don't think ANY of them won another race the rest of the year.

Draynay 16 Feb 2012 6:57 PM

Dray is right about jocks and age.  Age is the downfall of all but a select few.  Steve from st louis mentioned two who remained "ageless".  Pincay would be another who would be included in my "ageless" list.  But they are not the norm, they are they exceptions.

Footlick 16 Feb 2012 7:01 PM

steve from st louis.  

I would have to say that Shoemaker's ride on Ferdinand would make my top 5 of all time.

I encourage everyone to You Tube this one.  The shoe has to break from the 1 hole!  He is dead last into the first turn!  Looks to have NO SHOT for most of the race getting the ultimate "pinch" from the one hole.

And if you remember, Ferdinand was no world beater prior to the Derby.  Went off at high odds but had Whittingham in his corner.  The guy didn't participate unless he had something.  What's he like 2/4 or 3/5 Kentucky Derby attempts/wins?  

Fast forward to Lookin at Lucky coming out of the 1 post and what a disaster that was with a much younger jockey/trainer combo.

Householder 16 Feb 2012 7:27 PM

Hey, I respect Javier's decision.  I don't think it's a knock on UR at all.  God forbid, what if UR get's an injury and get's kocked-off the TC trail?  I think that Javier is doing the right thing here even though it's a pretty tough call to get off of UR.  UR will be fine with Julien, hey Julien in my opinion is probably in the top 3 anyway.  If I had a horse in the derby and I had a choice of any rider, I would pick Julien or Calvin.

Mike from Michigan 16 Feb 2012 8:14 PM

Union Rags is still my Derby horse unless he gets knocked off the Derby Trail. Algorithms is a freak. I believe Javier Castellano made a good decision by taking the Todd Pletcher trained mount.  Right now as we speak, Algorithms has already won the G3 Holy Bull Stakes. Union Rags has yet to race in 2012. Conventional wisdom says that Algorithms with a race under his belt is thriving at the moment, while Union Rags will be coming off a 3 1/2 month lay-off. I don't think the Rags will be fully cranked for this one but will still make a nice account of himself. But in the end I see Algorithms winning by  2 and 1/2 lengths over Union Rags.  I get this strange feeling that The Rags might not like Florida as much as he would New York. We'll just have to wait and see. Algorithms could be something very special. His numbers are off the charts and he really does have a nice way of moving. Not a long stride but it's very effective. He doesn't waste any motion, which is key when your going longer distances. What Union Rags has going for him is a big heart and intelligent mind. Once he engages with a horse and locks in, he's very tough to put away. In fact I'd like to see what would happen if Algorithms and Union Rags locked horns and had a fierce stretch battle. I think in that scenario The Rags would win. But I have a feeling in the Fountain of Youth, the race will already be over when Union Rags does his best running. Until then. Peace.

Splits of 12 16 Feb 2012 10:15 PM

Draynay?....you are a fool.  T-h-a-t is worse than being an idiot.

Lexington Bloodstock 16 Feb 2012 11:03 PM

Householder:

As Steve Haskin mentions in his latest Derby Dozen about Bodemeister; He ran 1/4's of :23, 23 4/5, :23 3/5, :23/2/5.  Beginning with the second quarter running each succesive quarter faster is something you don't see every day, beating a solid bunch, some with high expectations, he's special.  Well bred with a high cruising speed, he could be anything but he's going to have to maintain that high level to accumulate enough graded earnings to get in. It's an exciting time watching these three year olds step up to the plate. GO BODE!

trackjack 16 Feb 2012 11:04 PM

Union Rags is the early over hyped Derby horse, plain and simple. He certainly doesn't have Derby pedigree. He is fast and good, but these horses are still growing as we speak. Horses grow incredibly fast at this age, so there is a good chance we will see a horse grow in front of our eyes and make everyone forget about Union Rags. Pletcher's barn is white hot right now and he has more bullets in his gun than any other Derby contender. Javier made a pro pick to move to a better trainer with more options. It's way too early to get emotional about any of these contenders. Even though it is only a few months away, all of these horses have a long way to go to prove themselves.

200 lb. Jockey 17 Feb 2012 2:06 AM

Jason,

Don't take that from Minnesota Kid.  Put a boot in his a$$.

Draynay isn't a fool.  A fool and his money are soon parted.  Wait a minute.....

Bob from Boston 17 Feb 2012 10:43 AM

Someone has to set the record straight so that a kindergartener (Draynay) can understand the 1973 Belmont. I would guess Dray wasn't born for another 10 years or so and sometimes it's hard to get a taste for history through the written word or 16mm film. The 1-2-3 finishers of the Derby and Preakness--Secretariat,Sham and Our Native--finished those two races in the exact same order by the exact same margins. If Pancho Martin, Sham's trainer wasn't so headstrong, he probably would have skipped the Belmont as Bill Resseguet did with Our Native, who went on to win the Gr. II Ohio Derby and Gr. I Monmouth Invitational.

So Secretariat beat Sham coming from behind in the Derby and from  the front end from the first turn on in the Preakness in the greatest move I've ever seen on a racetrack. You Tube that move.  Big Red was last going into the first turn at Pimlico and yet he showed first going up the backstretch and held off Sham by the same margin as in the Derby. In the Belmont, Sham didn't have a chance. No horse did. Secretariat was running against the clock and, Draynay, the clock was beaten by a furlong.

steve from st louis 17 Feb 2012 11:35 AM

Lexington, my horse for the Derby will hit the board and pay me.  Your horse will not.  I am a Derby expert and don't you forget it.  When you're on the top of the handicapping world like I am people take shots at you. I don't mind.  I have tried for years to help the handicap disadvantaged and I am willing to help you too all you have to do is ask.

Draynay 17 Feb 2012 12:14 PM

Draynay

Please Derby handicap expert, tell us where you buy your rose colored glasses.

LAZMANNICK 17 Feb 2012 1:06 PM

Union Rags was staggering in the stretch during the BC Juvenile.  He was the darling on the East Coast press.  I am not sure if he can make the distance.  I can see why Javier made this decision.  

Stephie Clare 17 Feb 2012 1:17 PM

Everyone seems to be losing the Jockey perspective.  Sure the "Derby" is a big race, but by pledging allegiance to the Pletcher stable Javier is ensuring a much greater number of potential stakes races in his win column.  The Kentucky Derby is not the only prestigious race in this country.  

myntjulius 17 Feb 2012 2:05 PM

Hey Draynay: did you cash a ticket on the 2010 KD winner?

I did.

('nuff said)

mz 17 Feb 2012 2:17 PM

I watched the BC Juvenile again and Union Rags did not appear to me to be staggering home.  He ran wide the whole race and he did run all over the stretch but he was digging in hard.  Had he been given a better ride, he probably would have won. I wouldn't discount this horse at all.  His best is yet to come.

MonicaV 18 Feb 2012 10:11 AM

Union Rags staggering? Someone needs to purchase new glasses and then give this horse his due respect.

Forbidden Apple 19 Feb 2012 8:00 AM

Draynay, you can call the 1973 Belmont field weak all you want. The fact is no horse was beating Big Red that day. Easy Goer owns the second fastest Belmont at 2:26 a full two seconds slower than Big Red. In fact, no horse has been able to run faster than 2:25 at a 1 1/2 on dirt.

SouthernChris 19 Feb 2012 8:08 PM

And about the field being weak, 2 of the 4 horses (one being Sham) never raced after the Belmont. Hard to win when you don't race. My Gallant, who ran third, finished the year with 3 consecutive seconds after the Belmont. 1 to Secretariat and 2 to Forego. What a shabby horse! Twice A Prince, who ran second, ran once more in 1973 finishing third behind Forego and My Gallant.  

SouthernChris 19 Feb 2012 8:14 PM

I have to confess that when I saw the name Toby Keith that column of Jason's became one of the few of his I took a pass on. Minnesota Kid did accurately characterize Keith's music and his fans in his blog comment. Now, if you're going to write about celebrity in your columns, Jason, why not one on the inimitable Ms. Edwards, a celebrity from the world of racing and sports entertainment, or even John G. Dooley's fellow handicapper and track personality, Jessica Pacheco. There's some classy women in the world of racing who far put to shame some of the female offerings from the world of recording artists Keith hails from. Showcase them. As for Castellano's decision the distance limitations of a Dixie Union colt when weighed against the prospects of riding a colt sired by Bernadini seems like a no brainer, but Jason's point about about the calculated nature of the decision is well taken. There are so many potential mounts on Pletcher's barn of stand outs if he choses to ride Algorithms while Matz has only the ride on Union Rags to offer Castellano. It's a business decision to go with the odds, pure and simple. Furthermore, it makes sense of Castellano's earlier statement that Union Rags was the best horse he'd ever worked including Bernardini and Ghostzapper. He may well feel that way, but the opportunity to ride so many of Pletcher's quality horses if he rides Algorithms trumps his feelings about Union Rags. As usual, this is an industry and the bottom line is business and making a living. Yet, Union Rags loses little in gaining the services of a jockey of Julien Leparoux's credentials.

Will 20 Feb 2012 1:19 AM

Sharjyl and Secretariat, I am so tired of hearing about no Dixie Union can go the distance.  Everyone said that about a certain Bold Ruler colt; and his name was Secretariat.

Secretariat was out of Somethingroyal, a Princequillo mare.  Princequillo was one of the greatest long distance runners of all time.

Union Rags has stamina in the tail side of his pedigree.  There he is, Union Rags' grandsire, Gone West, out of a Secretariat mare.  You guys need to look at his pedigree.  You are simply repeating stuff that you have read, without doing your own investigation into this horse's pedigree.

Draynay, I love you.  Greg, Hansen and Union Rags are the two best colts in the country on this day.    

Mary 20 Feb 2012 8:32 PM

Will, everyone was saying the very same thing about Secretariat, speed and no stamina to go the distance.  Secretariat's dam, somethingroyal, gave to him the stamina. Look at the tail side of Union Rags' pedigree, that is where you will find the stamina.  He can run all day long.  Good night everyone.  

By the way, Pletcher has one Kentucky Derby winner, Super Saver, and he has 10 times as many horse as Michael Matz.  Michael also has one Kentucky Derby winner, Barbaro.  Do the math.  Pletcher horses fall short in the triple crown races.

Mary 20 Feb 2012 8:37 PM

I think that Michael Matz was ready for a jockey change.  Castellano wanted to work Union Rags before making a decision, and MM said no; he wanted Castellano's decision before the work. Julien knows Churchill Downs.

Mary 20 Feb 2012 8:47 PM

The only jockey better than Leparoux at Churchill Downs is Calvin Borel.

Mary 20 Feb 2012 8:52 PM

Union Rags has Secretariat in his 5x pedigree on the tail side.  He has Secretariat's 3 white socks, and he has that white blaze going down his face, like his great grand dam, Secrettame, a daughter of Secretariat.    

Mary 20 Feb 2012 9:34 PM

Algorithms won his maiden last June and did not run again for many months, due to a hock fracture.  Algorithms, IMO, has soundness issues.

Mary 20 Feb 2012 9:48 PM

Dennis, the wish you well clause did not wash well with me either.  Union Rags is the better colt, and IMO Michael Matz was ready for a jockey change.  Julien knows Churchill Downs very well.

Mary 20 Feb 2012 10:37 PM

Mary: I hope that Secretariat strain on the tail side of his pedigree gets Union Rags the distance. I do remember that knock on Secretariat you mentioned. Last year's experience with a certain Indian Charlie colt probably colored my judgment in evaluating Union Rags. Thanks for the closer look at his pedigree.

Will 21 Feb 2012 1:11 PM

One can only hope that Union Rags has inherited Princequillo's ability to run long distance.  Secretariat inherited it, in spite of the fact that he was a Bold Ruler. So lets just hope that Union Rags has inherited those stamina genes through his mother, Tempo.

Mary 21 Feb 2012 7:36 PM

I often find it puzzling when Bold Ruler is not considered a sire of classic distance horses. True, he has sired many sprinters and middle distance horses, but he has also sired at least 11, 10F stakes winners and at least 2 others that won stakes at longer distances than 10F.  In addition, he won 3 of the 5 10F races he competed in, all stakes.  Just a comment.

LAZMANNICK 22 Feb 2012 1:02 AM

Okay, I'll ask. What do the horses' markings have to do with how they run? Or maybe that was just a mention of UR's good looks.

Mary Zinke 22 Feb 2012 2:41 AM

Mary, just a mention of his good looks.

Mary 22 Feb 2012 1:49 PM

Papillon there are 5 low weights 116lbs or less in the FOY 1 highweight 122lbs and two colts rated at 120lbs.Your posts leaned towards low weights eventhough in the last decade the only FOY won by a low weight was 2009 and Quality Road in that same race the 2nd place finisher was also rated at 116 lbs.I will need more data as in morning line odds and post time odds to make a FINAL decision and submit a bet.I do like 1 low weight that is not the one you might think but even the morning line odds are not listed yet.

NASCAR PRO 24 Feb 2012 8:57 AM


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