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Don't Sleep on Romans

The second-place finish of News Pending in Sunday's Fountain of Youth surprised most people, as reflected by his 27-1 odds. But don't count trainer Dale Romans among those, and in fact, if observant handicappers have been paying attention to the Triple Crown trail over the last few years they should have been aware that Romans' under-the-radar 3-year-olds have a knack for striking in big spots.

Do the names Paddy O'Prado and Shackleford ring a bell? Paddy broke his maiden in the grade III Palm Beach Stakes at 7-1 and went on to finish third in the Kentucky Derby at 12-1 in 2010. Shackleford was 69-1 in the Florida Derby when missing by a head last year and was 12-1 when he handed Romans his first classic win in the Preakness. The gist? Don't sleep on Romans' 3-year-olds.

News Pending, by Harlan's Holiday, took four tries to break his maiden, which he did on the Gulfstream turf course in December. He came into the Fountain of Youth off a second-place finish in a 1 1/8-mile turf race on Feb. 5. Romans has liked him for a while now and will give him another chance to make the Derby.

"He didn't surprise me; he's really turned a corner and become a good horse," he said. "He wants to run all day. I think he's a quality racehorse.

"He was a little bit of a late-bloomer, but he's one of those that also needed more distance. It took him a couple races to round into top fitness. But I think he's for real.

"It would probably make sense to stay here for the Florida Derby, but we'll talk it over and nominate everywhere. I think a third-place finish might be enough, depending on how the earnings fall this year, but second would get him in for sure. It depends on the field sizes in all the races. You have Arkansas, Louisiana, and Illinois too. We'll see how they are shaping up around the country."

Of course, Romans' top Derby threat since last year has been Dullahan, owned by Jerry Crawford's Donegal Racing, who also raced Paddy. The Even the Score colt has fallen off the radar of many people by now since he has yet to race this year. But he won the Breeders' Futurity at Keeneland last fall to give him plenty of Derby earnings and was a solid fourth in the BC Juvenile. Like he did with Paddy, Romans will use the March 11 Palm Beach on turf as his starting point for a Derby run. Kent Desormeaux will ride.

"He's one of those horses that has really never missed a beat," Romans said. "He's been training great. He has enough earnings so he doesn't have to win. We'll get a good race in him, then go to the Blue Grass, and hopefully the Derby.

"I think most of the rules for the Derby over the last 50 years have been thrown out the window in the last 10 years. (The turf/synthetic angle) worked for us with Paddy. It was a little different situation with Paddy; we didn't have a lot of choices. We were just trying to get earnings. This horse showed he could come off synthetics and run well on the Churchill dirt. He came out of the Futurity and ran pretty good in the Breeders' Cup. It just seems like a sensible thing to do with him."

Dullahan has been training at Gulfstream most of the winter. He really stepped it up Feb. 25 when firing a bullet five furlongs on the dirt in :59 1/5.

"We wanted to go a little faster last week; get him blowing a little bit. We'll come back and go easy this week."

Romans will have one, maybe two horses in Saturday's Gotham Stakes at Aqueduct. He will definitely run Crawford's homebred Finnegans Wake, a son of Powerscourt. The colt made his last two starts on turf, winning a maiden special weight on Jan. 1 at Gulfstream and finishing a close fourth in an optional claimer Feb. 5.

"I'm hoping he'll run well on dirt," Romans said. "I don't have the same confidence with him as I did with News Pending or Dullahan. But I'm hoping he will take to it. I know he'll run all day. He's always trained well. It just took him a while to come around.

"He'll be a big price (in the Gotham). The whole question is if he takes to the surface. If he does, he'll run well. If he doesn't, he'll be up the track."

Romans is hoping to also get Suns Out Guns Out into the Gotham, but with a large field expected he might not draw in. The son of Empire Maker is still a maiden after four starts.

"He's a nice horse, he's just now getting good," Romans said. "He's another one that wants to run far, we're just running out of time. Like Paddy, I hope he has his breakthrough race when he can get graded money. He'll be on the plane (to New York). If he doesn't get into the Gotham, I'll put him in a maiden race the same day."

Romans said he has one more classic hopeful, and that is Cozzetti, who ran eighth in the CashCall Futurity at Hollywood in December and fourth in the Kitten's Joy Stakes on turf Jan. 21 at Gulfstream.

"Cozetti is still a sleeper for me. He trains as well as any of those other horses. He just hasn't mentally put it together in races. It wouldn't surprise me to see him have a breakthrough race in his next one or two. I'm not sure where we're going yet; possibly the Tampa Bay Derby."

113 Comments:

Romans could have a good late bloomer to add to the Tri ticket for the Derby but I will keep Union on top.  Jason please tell me why Game On Dude is worried about weight of 123 vs. Setsuko who didn't win a single race in 2010, 2011, and finally won a cheap allowance a few weeks ago?  Are you kidding me ?  Game On Dude should not be mentioned in the same breath as Nehro and Animal Kingdom.

Draynay 28 Feb 2012 2:26 PM

It's hard not to root for a guy like Dale Romans, the son of Jerry Romans, a Kentucky hardboot who made his mark with $3,000 claimers. But Dale proved if you dropped a gem into his lap, he knew how to polish it. He has to loose more than a few ounces to work his horses himself like Larry Jones, but he's doing just fine, thank you.

steve from st louis 28 Feb 2012 2:57 PM

Did anyone see this photo of Draynay at Gulfstream?  Next time, turn it around and you'll have more luck.

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Bob from Boston 28 Feb 2012 3:44 PM

Draynay:

The connections of Game on Dude don't like 123 lbs. for the same reason the connections of Havre de Grace avoided 122 lbs. It's only natural to seek an advantage or a poundage break whenever/wherever possible.

Jason:

Great article!-but random question: in the article you just posted about Creative Causes' work in 1:11 and change, I don't remember reading if it was a bullet work or not. How fast was it, relative to the other 6f. works that day?

Age of Reason 28 Feb 2012 4:02 PM

Age of Reason: He was the only horse to work 6F this morning.

Jason Shandler 28 Feb 2012 4:04 PM

Jason:

Also, I think your article on Creative Cause's work said that I'll Have Another is pointing for the San Felipe. I thought he was going to train up to the Santa Anita Derby?

Age of Reason 28 Feb 2012 4:05 PM

Age of Reason: Yes, that has been corrected. It was meant to read Out of Bounds. Thanks for the heads up.

Jason Shandler 28 Feb 2012 4:12 PM

dale is playing "Escalante" with this suns out guns out. he never mentions the horse. now he wants to back into the Gotham. this one finished close to battle hardened and probably will get blinkers. this puppy can run.

sleeper13 28 Feb 2012 4:17 PM

Sleeper13,

I hope Suns Out Guns Out can run or else this trip to NY would be a complete waste.  

Weather calls for rain on Saturday in NY and Finnegans Wake ran poorly on a sloppy track at Churchill.  Just sayin.........

Trebloc 28 Feb 2012 5:37 PM

Romans doesn't get the picks of the litter. But sure knows how to round a horse into form. And he knows how to keep his horses sound and fit.

Rolling Thundar 28 Feb 2012 6:02 PM

Tizanexpense:

My selection for the Risen Star finished down the track. Are there any excuses to advance? None! Just some observations: The colt made a grand appearance and he appears to have all the physical attributes of his sire. He left the gates like horse who was not interested in running i.e., Flat. He took a nasty bump heading into the first turn and that must have knocked the wind out of him temporarily.  He gathered himself and got back on stride. On a tack that very few closed he made the big mid race move but was unable to sustain same and was flat in the stretch. In spite of his dismal performance I am prepare to give him another chance. He has a classic pedigree and I think he has a ton of potential. I am optimistic he will show his true potential before the 20 Derby contenders are decided.

Neck N’ Neck:

When will this colt not get into trouble in his races? I had him to finish ahead of Discreet Dance. His rider had to hit the brakes hard in the back stretch and this caused him to lose his rhythm. The slow fractions pace did not allowed him to get back into the race to make the tri. He is a nice genuine colt that could surprise going forwards. I cannot understand the addition of the blinkers Most American trainers are equipment crazy.  

News Pending:

He ran as a projected and allowed me to recover all my losses on Tizanexpense via the exactor. I was surprised when he joined Discreet Dancer so effortlessly. I thought it was a crazy move by his rider but the splits told the tale. Any horse with class would have been either close to or on the lead. Interestingly, this colt appears to have two distinctive running styles on dirt and turf. He has powerful closing kick on turf and finds himself on or near to the lead on dirt. If the advantage of both styles can be consolidated on dirt he will be a dangerous colt going forwards. The Churchill Downs surface is very favorable to turf pedigree. His dam sire Lear Fan is a son Roberto who go back to Hail To reason/ Turn To.  This broodmare line has a powerful stamina influence. This colt will enjoy 10F. The same cannot be said about the colt that defeated him. Giacomo was the last Derby winner that was powered by the stamina laden Hail To Reason/ Turn To broodmare line.

Coldfacts 28 Feb 2012 9:03 PM

Union Rags:

Nice performance that has rocketed him to the top of all Derby list with the exception of mine. He tracked a slow pace and ran by the tiring Derby pretender Discreet Dancer and a somewhat confused News Pending. The one real test he faced in his career he came up short. Good race to open his 3YO career. I am still of the opinion there are colts on the trail that are equal in ability and are better suited to 10F.  The FL Derby will provide better insight.

The top spot on my Derby list is still held by Out Of Bounds who still has the most impressive performance by a 3YO to date. I know I am going to be labeled crazy for the aforementioned but I am allowed to be. Before the Union Rags crews descend on me like a ton of bricks I would advise them to consider the following. With only a maiden victory to his credit he defeated the previously undefeated Secret Circle who is one of fastest colts in the country. It was reported subsequent to his victory that he was still green and immature. We have all seen what Union Rags can do but we are in the dark regarding Out Of Bounds. When a physically imposing colt with that type of pedigree shows exceptional ability while still immature, it will take more than Union Rags to take him down when he fully comes to hand.  We are likely to see a sneak preview of things to come on March 10th. I hope I am not proven to be out of bounds with the evaluation.

Coldfacts 28 Feb 2012 9:13 PM

Despite Union Rags' impressive win in the FOY, I'm still of the opinion that an upstart 3 year old colt nobody is paying attention to is going to win the KY Derby.  With the 20 horse field, it takes luck more than talent to win.  I would like to see the field reduced to 14 or 15 so the best horse would have ample opportunity to win like Blame in the 2010 Breeders Cup at Churchill Downs.  Had the 2010 Breeders Cup been a 20 horse field it is entirely possible Zenyatta may have won which would have been a joke.

Sylvester 28 Feb 2012 10:43 PM

Coldfacts,

How can you not be impressed with the Derby-winning prospects of a horse coming off a 3-4 months layoff that romped the FOY in comparable time to the highly regarded El Padrino that was running for the second time as a 3YO and in an all out drive to defeat Mark Valeski. Don't be disingeuous Bro you are accustomed to,and even adept at comparing performances and running times, even on different tracks. Julien Leparoux merely cocked his whip and "Rags" roared up to the front and drew off in an armchair ride ...and you Coldfacts the connoisseur aren't impressed?

Ranagulzion 29 Feb 2012 12:39 AM

I think Dale got a great trip out of News Pending in the FOY. Discreet Dancer proved he is not a derby horse as well as all the others in the FOY except for Union Rags. Union Rags blew by both News Pending and Discreet Dancer. He was never hit. Union Rags cold have really pulled away by at least 8, but he was geared down the final part of the race. If I am going to give one horse a hot for Romans in Dullahan. He ran at Churchill and seemed to like the surface. Romans being stabled there will also help Dullahan the last 6 weeks prior to the derby.  Good luck to Dale, but I think it will be a tougher year for his horses.

RJPPDP 29 Feb 2012 12:58 AM

Coldfacts:

I am impressed by your optimism. With the time left to the FLD and KD, you just wish your immature, physically imposing colt with exceptional ability can grow up and be mature enough to run down UR. I just pray that he remains sound and healthy, we are going to see a special race horse

sharjyl 29 Feb 2012 2:00 AM

Jason : I hope you're not turning into a Mike Watchmaker type handicapper.  I mean wow, finish 2nd to Union Rags in a weak race and you get blogged about.  Any updates on Casual Trick ?  I thought Nakatani was a positive for flying over there but I think he should fly back here and let someone else ride CT, like Jose Lezcano.  I just can't imagine Zito giving him instructions to get up close to DD.  He should've been a length or two behind UR in that race tracking him instead of smelling DD's derriere all the way.

Coldfacts : I'm not ready to give up on Tizanexpense just yet unless his owners gives up on him and takes him off the trail which is fine too.  I'm willing to throw that race out and maybe they'll find him an easier prep race to get his derby earnings.  Also, do you know of any horse who didn't have stamina in their pedigree that has won or hit the board in the Kentucky Derby (post year 2000) ?

Regardless of whether it's Todd or the connections that's considering running El Padrino in the FL Derby, I think it's great to be able to see the top contenders actually facing each other before the Derby.  The derby trail has always been "let's avoid each other until the derby"... hopefully this year, more top contenders will face each other in the prep races rather than waiting until the Derby.  I think El Padrino knocks UR out at the top of the stretch in the FL Derby.

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ROBBIEJOE25 29 Feb 2012 6:24 AM

In the Post Parade for the FOY, the best looking horse was News Pending, and I simply couldn't help feeling elated with his first stakes race.  I'm looking forward to more.  I'm so looking forward to the return of Dullahan.

But you just couldn't help admiring the way Union Rags dominated.  As one who had doubts about his ability for the distance, I'm now convinced 10f won't be a problem.  However, I'm still looking for a TC winner before I kick my bucket, and I worry about UR making 12f.

Slew 29 Feb 2012 7:27 AM

I give all the closers in the Risen Star a pass. It was a merry-go-round race, with a slow pace on a souped up track wherein the first four were the first four all the way around; they just traded places. The first two had a better 2f sprint than the second pair, that's all.

Pedigree Ann 29 Feb 2012 10:07 AM

Draynay,

Why? because Game On Dude was given last years SAH, in spite of the fact that his jock totally caused all the problems at the top of the stretch. Being the most over-hyped mediocre rider in the US, I'm surprised she didn't fall off. But just like in the Risen Star this past weekend,(not to mention the whole Life At Ten affair) the stewards aren't going to penalize a big money trainer. Baffert has Scott Cheney in his back pocket.Mandella has spent the entire year plotting his chance to set things right.

kincsem 29 Feb 2012 11:31 AM

I had such a good week at the track, i thought i'd give some quick picks....AQU RACE5-#7 HANDSOME HARBOR

AQU6-#2 WINAHOLIC  W/P

AQU9-#4 FREEDOM WINTER W/P

TAM6#6ONEFORRECORDw/p

TAM10-#8UNSPOKENCODE

GULF5#6 TINYPREDICAMNT

GULF10-#4 FOOTWEDGE

HAW1-#1 AWAASSIF

HAW2#6-NOBEL GRACE

HAW4-#2OUR ELENOR

HAW8-#4DARRELL SAYS

HAW 9 #9 MISS MANANA

KY VET 29 Feb 2012 11:41 AM

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Billy's Empire 29 Feb 2012 12:15 PM

Coldfacts,

I thought the day would never come when you and I would agree on a derby prep race but alas, the FOY proved me wrong. I was astounded by your post Saturday. I was going to write about those two but you beat me to it. I thought the Gin was getting to my good judgement, but you were seeing the same thing I was. Would have done better with Discreet Cat on top but I bagged a super to cover my heavy tri and leave me with a couple of C notes to the good. Regardless of our differences, your posts have value. Keep it up.  

El Kabong 29 Feb 2012 12:29 PM

I missed the running of the Risen Star but managed to see the video replay. Did anyone notice El Padrino as he was led into the winners circle? He could barely pick up his feet and drug his toes across the cobblestones as he walked, nearly rolling up on his ankles with each step (much like what I think happened to Eight Belles after she ran her heart out.). He actually appeared unsteady on his feet.  Exhaustion? Was the stretch run too much for him? Can he extend to Derby distance? Please review and offer your thoughts.

(Newbie poster, skulking reader for several years now =)

KHATinAround 29 Feb 2012 12:47 PM

Jayjay: As always, if you don't like the content of my blogs, don't read.

Jason Shandler 29 Feb 2012 12:59 PM

And the bashing goes on and on and on and on and.......

Footlick 29 Feb 2012 1:32 PM

You guys are crazy.  Let me know when El Padrino wins another race.  I will wait....

Draynay 29 Feb 2012 1:43 PM

KHATinAround: You should have seen the pre-race video of El Padrino being saddled.  Something annoyed him, and he leapt into the air with all 4 legs high off the ground, then came down slightly sideways, almost on top of one of his handlers.  I'd be dragging more than a hoof after expending that much energy...before the race.  At least he saved a bit for the race itself.

Very disappointed Game On Dude will not have a showdown with Ultimate Eagle.  The Dude's headed to Dubai.  (Still don't think it's a good idea for a dirt horse to go for the gold on Tapeta.)

Slew 29 Feb 2012 2:10 PM

Slew---I saw that saddling footage of El Padrino. It was remarkable--he projected upward like a cat and then went lateral, almost like a karate move. That had to have affected his energy level for the race itself.

Karen in Texas 29 Feb 2012 2:36 PM

Jason:

Gotham;

Finnegans Wake and Suns Out Guns Out are both listed as starters.

tcc 29 Feb 2012 2:46 PM

Nehro and Animal Kingdom should not be mentioned in the same breath as Game on Dude because they simply are not fast enough at 1 1/4.  We went over this pre Breeder's Cup time Nay and you just didn't get it.  He torched your super horse and the filly had no chance against his fractions.

Take a look at Ellafitz, the Factor, and Game on Dude (all trained by the same trainer) and tell me what they all have in common.

I'm glad the Factor is heading to Dubai as well.

Game on Dude reminds me alot of Well Armed in the lane...your not getting by unless your Curlin.

He'll represent well.

Householder 29 Feb 2012 3:19 PM

If El Padrino knows karate, I'm betting on him, because you have to figure, learning karate is difficult and it would take a really smart horse to do so.

Bob from Boston 29 Feb 2012 3:27 PM

Animal Kingdom and Nehro are now 4.  Let me know when GOD beats either one of them.  I will wait...

Draynay 29 Feb 2012 3:38 PM

Sharjy,

If a picture is worth a thousand words, one race can likewise be worth a ton of exercise works for young horse. Out Of Bound is based in CA and will certainly not heading to the FL Derby.  His path to the Derby will be via the San Felipe and SA Derby. It appears Union Rage is now the standard by which all other are 3YOs are judged. I would encourage you to review the video of OOB Sham victory where he defeated the winner of a Breeder Cup champion who subsequently recorded the second fastest time in the Southwest Stakes in the last 16 years. He will have no problem defeating Union Rags who won the FOY handily beating an overrated allowance winner and a confused turf colt.  Discreet Cat and Unbridled Elaine were both champions and they have combined to produced a colt that beat a fast seasoned top class colt while still green by racing standards. Who do you think has the brighter future OOB or UN?

Coldfacts 29 Feb 2012 3:44 PM

KHATinAround

  I didn't see El P. in the winner's circle and it's not on the replay now. Or I missed it. It was a tough race and he galloped out OK. Some that have a duel like that don't want to do it again and are done, and some will do it for many races. It all depends on how well and how quickly he comes out of the race, and how he responds to a duel next time or how much effort he's willing to put out to win in his next race. He's not in peak condition yet. I'm not worried about it and still love his stride for 10f.

Slew

  Yes, I see where Baffert chickened out of the rematch with Setsuko and the much anticipated matchup with Ultimate Eagle. They're so scared that they're fleeing the country. Passing up a chance for a repeat win in the Big Cap and to be a part of a big time matchup is very disappointing. He snubbed his own track for the chance at a few extra bucks.

Bob from Boston

  Nice photo of Chalky and his backward sign. Turn it around and it reads, "Please help a veteran chalk choker down on his luck with a little spare change. Bless you."

Dr Drunkinbum 29 Feb 2012 3:53 PM

WIth Union Rags, El Overrated and Alpha going in the Florida Derby you will be looking at a 4 or 5 horse field for a million dollar race.  By the way El Overrated, Mark Valesky wanted me to tell you to come back to Louisiana so he whip you good this time.  Don't run and hide in Florida.

Draynay 29 Feb 2012 3:55 PM

 Dr. D.  You know I think the world of you but I'd have to say $9,050,000 qualifies as quite a bit more than a few extra bucks.  I think he was going to win the Big 'Cap but not easily against Ultimate Eagle who is sitting on a big race.  Expect Setsuko to disappoint again at shorter odds than he should be.  He sure seems to get a lot of buzz for a horse that rarely wins (I do always like to see Mandella win though).  I'll be rooting for Game On Dude in Dubai but who knows if he'll be up to the task.

Smoking Baby 29 Feb 2012 4:15 PM

You guys dont sleep on alpha he is smooth as the otherside of the pillow and his running motion is a thing of beauty. I think he has a big shot on derby day if he can stay healthy is it me or all bernadini's breaking down early???

It aint easy being good! 29 Feb 2012 4:16 PM

Game on Dude is now 5. Let me know when either Animal Kingdom or Nehro beats him. I will wait...

Age of Reason 29 Feb 2012 5:02 PM

Dross is now 5 let me know when oh wait he thumped GOD and is sleeping with his breeders cup trophy in his barn!

It aint easy being good! 29 Feb 2012 5:22 PM

Smoking Baby

  Likewise !!!  I'll be rooting for Setsuko first and Ultimate Eagle second. I've been rooting for Setsuko for a  long time, since I first saw him run as a 2yo. Unfortunately he is strictly a dirt horse but had to run on synthetics for four consecutive races after his near Big Cap win last year. I didn't think he got enough opportunities on dirt at the longer distances before being gelded. I've always liked his looks and pedigree and think he would have been an excellent sire. It's still going to be a really good race.

Dr Drunkinbum 29 Feb 2012 5:23 PM

Well, the injuries have started and they will most likely continue.  That's why anybody who wagers in the very early Derby pool is either crazy or psychic.  If they're psychic, they're probably already rich and I'd love to meet them in hopes of getting to the life style to which I would like to become accustomed.

It aint easy:

 "ALL Bernardini's"?  Well, maybe, but if they're late maturing colts, pushing them early in the year for the Derby is a great way to make sure they'll break down.  I'd rather have an honest trainer who would say "this horse is just not grown up enough.  Skip the Derby and aim for a long, healthy career".  Much better than convincing every owner with a mildly speedy 2yr old that the only race that matters takes place first Sat. in May.

Jean in Chicago 29 Feb 2012 6:06 PM

El Ka..mentioned that Bejarano got off Fed Biz in the Winner's Circle after his recent victory and he a Baffert were giddy to say the least...Heard on local radio show that the jock was literally screaming "This is my Derby Horse".  Seems he's had his fair share of good 3 year olds this year. Just hope BB doesn't empty the tank on this horse in order to get graded $$$  Watched the SAH live last year and had to wait a long time (Inquiry) to be told I lost by a nose..Damn,,, but that GADude is a tough horse, I really don't think it's the Lbs. it's Ultimate Eagle...Beware: G Gomez is coming back soon and he might end up with someone's seconds that might finish first with him in the irons...

Scott's Cause 29 Feb 2012 6:30 PM

Dr D Setsuko ran on the AW surface of Santa Anita when placing 2nd in the 2010 Santa Anita Derby.He had a better closing kick on the Santa Anita surface when it was an all weather track in 2010.

ZORRO 29 Feb 2012 7:01 PM

King and Crusader could make the Gotham a little harder for Hansen.  If he locks up and forces him wide into the first turn this race is up for grabs.  If anyone pushes Hansen he will fold again and I will be hoping for Stealcase to pick up the pieces with Pretension close behind.  A bullet work and his 2nd try at the distance and 3rd off a layoff has me feeling good about Stealcase.  He would rather go 1 1/4 but you have to start somewhere picking up graded earnings and he should get some here.

Draynay 29 Feb 2012 7:15 PM

Coldfacts:

Good point, and I loved Out of Bound's victory in Sham. And let me tell you, I am not big on UR after his FOY victory. He really convinced me in Champagne, and I believed in him before FOY, when a lot of you had doubts. Algorithm was my fav until now this year but I did not play on him against UR, just coz I had too much belief in UR. OOB is the real deal, but the argument is not whether he is good or not, but is he good enough to beat UR in two months ? I don't think so. But certainly, when he pulls himself together and figure things out, he seems to be one heck of a big beautiful colt.

sharjyl 29 Feb 2012 7:26 PM

Draynay:

With your proclaimed king of the handicapping title, it surprises me, how you can just ignore El. It totally makes no sense. I don't need to argue on this, you just crack me up when you talk about your handicapping skills. One moment, I want to believe you, and the next moment when I read such comments of you about a horse of like El, you just crack me up. I am not sure how well will El rebound from this race, but if he comes out in good fashion, you better watch out

sharjyl 29 Feb 2012 7:30 PM

It aint easy being good:

Well said, "he is smooth as the other side of the pillow".

Really like how he moves. I don't know how fast can he carry his stride and to how much distance. I remember, when I saw Super Saver in Arkansas Derby under Borel, I said to myself, he seems like he can do it. I don't know, for some reason i liked him more than any other on the derby trail, I really liked his stride. I couldn't see the KD, and did not even bet, but that evening when I got free and opened bloodhorse.com, I was praying in the back of my head, plz plz let it be super saver and borel, and I was almost jumped in joy coz i could not believe it. For some reason, Alpha reminds me of that, and I really like him. But I don't know if I can play him above UR, if Alpha can make into KD, and if UR manages to go in KD in good form. I wish the best for Alpha

sharjyl 29 Feb 2012 7:43 PM

O'Prado Again was a nice horse and maybe the best chance Romans had on the Derby trail. I hope he recovers well and returns hungry.

I'm sad that Game on Dude is skipping the Big Cap, that just decreased the price on Ultimate Eagle. The Eagle was going to to fly past the Dude and Chantal, all the way to the winner's circle. It will be straight exactas for me over Ron the Greek and Holladay Road.

Householder,

Since you like Well Armed, did you see Arm Force break his maiden on sunday?

It aint easy,

I completely agree with you, Alpha is getting very little respect so far. Yes he was blasted by Union Rags in the Champagne, but he is a much improved horse now.

Scotts cause,

Gomez does not need anyone's seconds, he has a budding superstar of his own in Out of Bounds!

Forbidden Apple 29 Feb 2012 7:51 PM

Zorro

  He ran good in that race for a 10f dirt horse. He's only had one shot at 10f dirt and was robbed in the Big Cap last year when Chantal and Game On played Roller Derby and got away with it. They should have shipped him to a dirt track in 2010, and 2011, except for returning to run in the Big Cap. He had to close from way back in the SA Derby because he couldn't get going on the carpet for quite awhile. I don't believe they wanted to be that far back. It's going to be interesting. He's training good. It will be his first Stakes race as a gelding, and it's a competitive Grade One.

Dr Drunkinbum 29 Feb 2012 7:56 PM

Thanks all for the feedback on El P. I was completely unaware of his paddock freak out. Will be watching his next outing. KHAT

KHATinAround 29 Feb 2012 8:00 PM

Ranagulzion, What do you think of the Dixie Union filly Dixie Strike ? She's supossed to be pointing to the Kentucky Oak's. Similar breeding on the bottom side as Rag's. Although Nijinky is further back. She won the Ontario Lsssie and the Florida Oaks at Tampa, both at 8.5 furlongs. She beat highly regarded Northern Passion and More than Love in her Fl Oaks win. Did I mention shes a half sister to Inglorious?  I wondered if you had seen her run. I watched the replay of her Florida Oaks win and she got up right on the wire to win. Just looking for an opinion if you have one. Anyone.

Well, the injuries sure are mounting, and not just the colts.  With My Miss Aurelia not ready to come back yet and WeeMissFrankie out for while. Another filly who is also injured but who wowed me in her maiden was Ciao Bella. A gorgeous gray daughter of Giants Causeway. I LOVE her pedigree. I don't know when she will be back. Too bad since most of these are ones who showed a lot of promise as two year olds.

Criminal Type 29 Feb 2012 8:11 PM

Jason...Suns Out Guns Out will not race with blinkers Saturday in the Gotham... My opinion is that the Escalante remark is probably a bit extreme...some horses can improve and mature quickly....Sleeper...I do not think the trip to New York is a waste..the plan was to get him in the Gotham and if he didn't draw in he would of been entered in another race the same day.  Owners and trainers don't just put horses on a plane unless they truly believe there horse has a shot...My husband and I are in a partnership with Suns Out... :)

marmar 29 Feb 2012 8:55 PM

TREBLOC.....In regards to Dale Romans "not getting the pic of the litter"..that couldn't be further from the truth...Dale has more influence than you think... :)

marmar 29 Feb 2012 9:02 PM

Saratoga Special: 21.78, 45.55, 1:11.53, 1:18.33

Champagne  Stk : 22.47, 45.84, 1:10.37, 1:35.55

Breeders C Juv    : 23.26, 47.39, 1:12.24, 1:37.??, 1:44.44

Fountain O YTH : 24.50, 48.11, 1:12.05, 1:36.28, 1:42.68

Highlighted above are the splits from Union Rag’s last four races. His FOY victory is being classified as impressive and those that regard it as good are view as cynical. What exactly do the figures above reflect? Firstly these splits were recorded at four different tracks.  I aware that I will politely advised that this is not an effective measure. Well, I am not using the above a measure. The records indicate that Union Rags has been tracking much faster fractions than those recorded in the FOY. In fact he was on the lead in the Saratoga Special where a 45.55 half mile was recorded.  Any top class colt with a high cruising speed would explode away from a suspect field with such slow fractions.  We are only two years removed from Eskendereya’s demolition of a subpar field in the 2010 renewal of the FOY. Experience handicappers and racing enthusiast will not be impressed with horses that record these types of performances against opponents who are not at their level as yet.

I would caution the Union Rags faithfuls to remember that he only defeated Creative Cause by 1 1/4L in the BCJ. Creative Cause is a top class colt who is considered to be just as good as Union Rags. There was no colt with the class of Creative Cause in the FOY. Creative Cause’s loss in his 3YO debut is going to be used to his demerit. However, substitute him with Union Rags and the result would be no different. Union Rags is now the Uncle Mo of 2012 and is being viewed as the next Triple Crown winner designate. In spite of his easy victory in the FOY his pedigree remains suspect for the Derby distance. The Derby class of 2012 has the best distance pedigree seen in many years and in their lies Union Rage problems.  Discreet Dancer will be munching on his hay rack  when the 2012 is being decided.

Coldfacts 29 Feb 2012 9:03 PM

Cherjyl I am known as the greatest handicapper in the world because I am.  It comes from years and years of being right.  When it comes to the Kentucky Derby my worldly skills shine even brighter.  Believe me being wonderful is easy when you are me.  The trick to picking a Derby horse is knowing talent when you see it.  Big Brown for example stood out like a sore thumb.  In 2012 we have another horse that stands out in Union Rags.  El Overrated had to MUG Mark Valesky all the way to the wire and then had to get a favorable call from the stewards to beat Mark going 2 turns for the first time and a horse the trainer admitted was a bit fat going into the race.  Further evidence that El Overrated wants no part of Mark again is his desire to head to Florida to get whipped by Union Rags.  Anything is better than getting beat by Mark again.  El Padrino will not win another race all year.

Draynay 29 Feb 2012 9:14 PM

Believe it or not im 60 dollars ahead....last bet is pick 4 at delta 124/23/378 races 8/9/10.....yes i gave out 1 winner out of 11 on here...SHEESH!...had some good ones today, but picked bad i thought.....pick 4 please turn day into big day

KY VET 29 Feb 2012 9:52 PM

Yes im aware no one will believe me....more pick upcoming! watch and learn!

KY VET 29 Feb 2012 9:53 PM

So.....all the people that said hansen cant go long....after he smokes that field on saturday, what will you say? Its only 1 1/16th? or weak field?   btw got 6 to 1 win in 1st leg at delta late pick 4....3 more to go...if i lose, im 60 ahead for day....if win....$$$

KY VET 29 Feb 2012 10:11 PM

Bob from Boston, Dr Drunkinbum & Draynay,

Tell me someting, You guys all went to comedy school? LOL

The "chalky" photo was a riot as was the Karate comment about El Padrino ...couldn't stop laughing.

Keep it up fellows.

Ranagulzion 29 Feb 2012 10:16 PM

Canadian Turf at Gulfstream this week and it is time to  take a stand against Little Mike.  Doubles Partner will give Little Mike 6 or 7 length head start but will have to hold him off at the wire but Pletcher has Doubles ready to fire.  Little Mike LOVES Gulfstream but the jockey/trainer combo is simply too much and Doubles wins easy.

Draynay 29 Feb 2012 10:26 PM

Jean from Chicago, amen to both points. We can chatter all day long but it is too soon to pick the winner of the KY yet. As we all know, stuff happens, unfortunately. Sometimes I wonder if some of these trainers really have a feel for what is going on with their horses. ITA that some horses are pushed too fast. So they do great for a race or two, and then they have issues.

Paula Higgins 29 Feb 2012 10:27 PM

Sharjy,

I noticed your best wishes for Alpha the #2 horse on my list. I follow Godolphin horse's a lot and I am probably the only one that has one of their Derby nominee based in Dubai on my list. Many people are cynical about horses prepared in Dubai for the Derby but I am not one of those persons. The horse is Zip Top. He was sired by Smart Strike and is out of a Danzig mare. His pedigree represents a composition of the most successful sire and broodmare line in Triple Crown history.  In his last race he was runner up in the Racing Post Trophy. He will make his next start in the UAE Derby and if he wins and come out of the race well I am positive he will be making the trip to Louisville. He is a magnificent looking colt with long fluent strides. There is a lot of Derby history associated with his pedigree. Five son of Mr. Prospector have sired Derby winners. Smart Strike a son of Mr. P has not sired a Derby winner but has sired two Preakness winners. Ten of Northern Dancer sons have been broodmare sires of winners of Triple Crown races. Danzig is one of the ten. This colt has the ultimate Derby pedigree and is big, strong and fast. Stay tuned.

Godolphin has disbanded their US stable that was under the controlled by Dubai/European based Saeed bin Suroor.  This gives the impression that they have abandoned their long held ambitions to win the Derby with a horse prepared in Dubai. Well if any knows how the ruler of Dubai operates those ambitions will never be abandoned. Zip Top is trained by their newest Dubai based trainer Mahmood Al Zarooni. He is a very dangerous gentleman. He won with his very first starter on Dubai World Cup night. He finished 4th to Uncle Mo in the 2010 BCJ with his first runner in the US. He is the trainer of the brilliant Blue Bunting and the ill fated Rewilding.   The fact that they have nominated Zip Top suggests they are high on him and recognize that he has a dirt pedigree. He is a really nice colt.

Coldfacts 29 Feb 2012 10:48 PM

KY VET

I looked at your picks for today. I thought wow, picks from KY VET.  He is a pro isn't he?  Then I realzied that I was broke and couldn't bet them.  I hope you really do have a day job. LOL

LAZMANNICK 29 Feb 2012 11:13 PM

Draynay:

I am not comparing El P to UR here, so your argument is vague. I called UR a monster after his Champagne and I stand by it. He is a stand out so leave him. I just don't agree to your thoughts about El P because i believe we have not seen many gutsy performances like thr one El and Mark put. You being the best handicapper in the world, crack me up. Listen, "if El comes out of this race well, I will get back to your comment that he is not going to win again this year".

I just don't know if he can bounce right back but he certainly will be a good horse down the road. I am not betting on him for his next victory, not even the derby, but yeah, i will play him year around if he manages to stay around. And i will get back to you on your comment. Trust me

sharjyl 01 Mar 2012 11:35 AM

And Draynay, get over your confidence in Big Brown. You were not the only one to jugde his talent early on. No disrespect to BB, he did not have to face nearly as talented of a crop that year, as these good horses have to face this year. You agree or not, this is the strongest 3yr old crop we have seen in years. I pray they all remain sound

sharjyl 01 Mar 2012 11:41 AM

Criminal Type,

This could be Dixie Union's year to post humously shake the stamina limitation "monkey" off his reputation as a sire. Dixie Strike and Union Rags are a formidable duo going into the Kentucky Oaks and Derby respectively. Should they oblige, the remaing two or three crops of Dixie Union offsprings could bring in quite a bonanza for pinhookers on the Thoroughbred market.

My early fancy for the Oaks is Miss Netta but I'll certainly be watching Dixie Strike with a lot of interest. I think that she'll be better on dirt than her half sister Inglorious was last year.

Ranagulzion 01 Mar 2012 12:41 PM

Coldfacts you have proven without a doubt you have no idea what you are talking about.  Union Rags is a massive young 3 year old who is much further advanced than any other 3 year old right now.  He will win the Florida Derby and with a little race luck will win the Kentucky Derby like it or not.  There is NOTHING in his pedigree to suggest he cannot get 10 panels.  If you believe he is short take a look a the dam side again.  Rookie.

Draynay 01 Mar 2012 12:42 PM

And Draynay picked Mine That Bird in 2009, just so you all know how great he is ;)

He also picked Nehro last year, and in Draynay's mind he won, but Nakatani moved too early with Nehro and it cost him the race, but he still won in Draynay's mind.

josh 01 Mar 2012 1:19 PM

Draynay,

Thanks for sending the Christmas card.  I didn't even mind having to pay the postage due when I saw your bright, colorful family. Good luck wherever you are begging/betting this Saturday.

www.flickr.com/.../4618054537

Bob from Boston 01 Mar 2012 2:25 PM

I got a question about times, If a horse can run slow and win, why is that a bad thing ? I suppose it would have been better had Union Rags gone lights out and won by 20 lengths or more ? Union Rags ran the pace he did because he COULD. El Padrino ran the pace he did because He HAD to. I bet Matz's horse is a lot more ready for the next race then El Padrino is.

Thanks Ranagulzion, I was thinking about the DU legacy too. Damn shame he was only 13.

Criminal Type 01 Mar 2012 2:36 PM

Both "Ripley's Believe It or Not" and "Guiness World Records" have Draynay listed as the worst handicapper in the history of the world and here he is saying he's the best. Now that was a good laugh. Guiness in print, page 176- "World's worst handicapper-Draynay. Winning at a 2 percent clip for a lifetime picking only favorites. Most people picking only favorites win at a 25%-50% rate and still lose money. His record for incompetence is unheard of and a record likely to never be broken."

Dr Drunkinbum 01 Mar 2012 2:48 PM

Draynay greatest handicapper on the planet he says. First of all he loves the chalk! Second lets look at your history in the big races!

Uncle mo in the classic=FAIL!

2010 Classic= Quality Road (LAST!)

2009 Derby:Dunkirk= EPIC FAIL!

It aint easy being good! 01 Mar 2012 3:01 PM

Thanks to the ones that have joined the bloodhorse bloggers league at RTTR contest again the league number is 833505011 and the access code is 619488159 come on fellow bloggers lets see what your stable looks like......

ROBBIEJOE25 01 Mar 2012 3:04 PM

"Sharjyl, I am known as the greatest handicapper in the world because I am." --Draynay on 29 Feb., 9:14 PM

In other words, Draynay is the greatest because Draynay says so. Can you say "circular reasoning"? You were always a little cooky, Dray, but you are apparently also beyond simple logic and reason. The arrogance in your statement is overwhelming. I don't dare try to argue against the self-Anointed One, so I'll drop my accusations before they turn into blasphemy against He Who Worships at the Altar of Himself. Congrats on calling the two overwhelming favorites to win @ Gulfstream on FOY weekend, your un-masterful non-insight will never cease to not amaze me! Lol

Age of Reason 01 Mar 2012 3:12 PM

Funny thing is, Dray never even heard of Big Brown until I wrote that blog about him after his allowance race. Now he acts as if he discovered him. lol

Jason Shandler 01 Mar 2012 3:27 PM

Speaking of the RTTRs contest, I had only 3 active horses last week, two got first place and yet I am in over 2000th place.  Draynay has a better chance of hitting the Pick 6 at Santa Anita today and I have of winning the RTTRs contest.  I need to hack the system.

Bob from Boston 01 Mar 2012 3:27 PM

Chalky, Revenge of Chalky, Bride of Chalky, Chalky Part Two. I've seen it all here on Jason's blog. Starring Draynay the world's worst handicapper as Chalky. Hide the longshots, logical contenders, and favorites that win, beware Chalky is here. He'll turn a good horse into last place just through his touting of him. He'll be a very rich man once owners and trainers catch on and start paying him off.

Dr Drunkinbum 01 Mar 2012 4:04 PM

If Dray is the best handicapper in the world, then dangit, I am Ron Jeremy....

Billy's Empire 01 Mar 2012 4:19 PM

ROBBIEJOE25: Thanks for starting the bloodhorse bloggers on RTTR. I'm in, and we get to add another stable before 3/10 with another separate prize.  Now we have two first place prizes to go for.  Maybe I'll win both, LOL!  If I do I'll invite Bob from Boston and Draynay as my guests.

Bob from Boston:  great visuals of Dray and his family. With all that chalk, I now know why thay call Dray the "Dust Commander."  I also agree with you that any horse who knows karate has got to be taken seriously.  Since El Padrino is a Pulpit, he gets a little heated and jumpy as the race approaches.  To keep him calm, the Pletcher barn has him watch DVD's of the Pink Panther.  Poor guy thought he was Kato in the paddock stall when Inspector Clouseau suddenly appeared and he "jumped" into action.  Turned out the guy was actually 'Chalky', with a raincoat and hat.

Does anyone know where that incident can be viewed?

Draynay: Your humility precedes you.  Your the greatest handicapper in the world, yet when it comes to the K.D. your worldly skills shine even brighter?  Let's see; great, greater, greatest...help me with what comes next. I appreciate your input, though and your style, keep it coming.  I hope you're correct about Union Rags, because at this point, he does look to have everything you need in a Derby winner.  And like Slew, I'd like to see a TCW this year, I'll be at the Belmont.  But I'm getting ahead of things, there is a long way to go and a lot of other good colts out there yet.

trackjack 01 Mar 2012 4:24 PM

Draynay has filed a letter of protest with The Future's Bureau claiming that he'd like to bet two thousand dollars on Algorithms in KY Derby Futures Pool Two. "It's not fair that he was in Pool One and not Pool Two. I don't care if he's injured. I want to bet on him !!!!!!"

Dr Drunkinbum 01 Mar 2012 4:31 PM

another fun site that tests your handicapping is publichandicapper.com

give it a test. Footlick and I are on it

Billy's Empire 01 Mar 2012 4:42 PM

Draynay at his computer reading Jason's blogs: "Attention, I'm getting attention !!!! Lots of attention now, tomorrow the world !!!!

Dr Drunkinbum 01 Mar 2012 4:47 PM

Betting on chalk in every race

#draynayproblems

Living in mom's basement

#draynayproblems

josh 01 Mar 2012 5:24 PM

Dr D he might have won the SA Derby if Sydneys Candy wasnt able (who btw was the derby pacestter for 2010) to get an uncontested early lead.I was hoping he could win because he needed the earnings to get into the 2010 Derby.IMO he is a mile and a quarter horse on dirt or AW that Santa Anita had before.If he runs well expect him back in his own back yard for this years classic.

ZORRO 01 Mar 2012 5:26 PM

How do we know you aren't, Billy????

Footlick 01 Mar 2012 5:28 PM

To the person who said it is stupid betting future bets.....Wrong! Ive done great...won 5 grand on street sense....stayed out pool 1....now is the time to bet! With rags winning/ and hansen smoking that field on sat. those horses will bet hammered.....great odds on some horses that arent running till next week! got it down to 4

KY VET 01 Mar 2012 6:57 PM

Zorro

  Sydneys Candy won easily in the SA Derby then went way too fast in The Derby and was done; rookie mistake by the jockey in The Derby and not enough horse anyway. The San Felipe is the race this year. I'm a big Midnight Transfer fan.

Dr Drunkinbum 01 Mar 2012 7:20 PM

It Ain't Easy Being Good!  Do you know how hard it is to pick the last place horse or even better the last place exacta year after year in the Breeder's Cup Classic?  One's chances are significantly increased if you bet Pletcher but that is a skill that Draynay has that no other player on here seems to have acquired.

As far a chalk...We all gamble so we know when to hammmer The Factor at 6-5.  That's part of the game.

I let my $2 dollar bet roll throughout Zenyatta's career so I now own a Ferarri with a "Big-Z" license plate.  Sorry, if one's feelings for the mare clouded their handicapping ability.  

Coldfacts makes about the most sense right now.  Take another look at Creative Cause and Union Rag's drunken run in the Breeder's Cup.  Union Rags comes in about 100 yards out and which pushes Creative Cause up in behind Hansen.  Take another look how he jogs out after a 7 furlong sprint on a track that no one can close on after changing leads 3 times.  But finally, take a look at his female side...some nice turf stuff running 1 3/4 races in the 70s.  

He may not be fast enough, but he certainly will be far enough.  He will run the Derby, skip the Preakness, and run the Belmont.

Householder 01 Mar 2012 7:25 PM

Friday Race 3 is about as tough as it gets.  But let me give my thoughts.  Harbor Breeze is facing winners for the first time and will need the lead again from the rail.  But Paco on the favorite Self Control will have blinkers on and should push Harbour Breeze to go a little faster than he wants to.  Castellano picks up Ninja Blade but he failed badly in his last and may need  a race to get his best.  Red Ace comes from the West and puts in a fine bullet work under a new trainer Wayne C.  By the way Wayne has been on fire winning at 30% and picks up JR for the race.  JR should sit nicely behind the speed and pick them off deep into stretch.  Does he win ?  Maybe not, but he will be 3rd or 4th choice and place bet here should pay off nicely.  100 on the 2 horse to PLACE.  You're welcome.  Now you see why I am the best.

Draynay 01 Mar 2012 7:35 PM

Lots of love being shown to Romans this week on the Bloodhorse Blogs. :)  

I like the two Pletcher horses on Saturday.  Looking forward to seeing Sir Bond run tomorrow.  

Trebloc 01 Mar 2012 8:19 PM

Folks, you have to give Draynay at least some credit. He keeps the bloggers laughing. lol

sharjyl 01 Mar 2012 9:23 PM

DRABNAY! SELF CONTROL will push harbor breeze? thats your handicapping? On what world will that horse push breeze early? Totally wrong! No handicapper bets just place! I dont like the way all contenders are coming up to the race but ill pick SELF CONTROL...........learn some!

KY VET 01 Mar 2012 10:56 PM

Ted from LA is betting $200 on Red Ace to win.  Ted Bob doesn't bet scared money.  Could it be that Ted from LA will dethrone The King in our first head-to-head bet?  You've got to have an Ace in the hole.

Bob from Boston 01 Mar 2012 11:09 PM

Draynay, downtrodden, moping along after another bad day at the track. "I don't get it. He was 1-5, he should have won. I don't play longshots like 2-1. It should have been a lock."  Draynay decides to take the shortcut home along the railroad tracks and gets home in short order and thinks, "You know, I should forget about all of this racetrack stuff. Watch a video or something. Relax." He pops in the Wizard of Oz DVD and half watches and half thinks about his day at the track. After the movie is over he jumps up and runs outside, skipping down the sidewalk in his neighborhood and singing at the top of his lungs- " I could pick a winner, even I could pick a winner if I only had a brain. I'm off to see the Wizard, the Wonderful Wizard of Oz."  A neighbor yells- "Keep it down out there."  Draynay yells back, "Are you crazy? This time I've got it !!!!"

Dr Drunkinbum 02 Mar 2012 12:54 AM

Question for Sylvester way up there, comment 15 or so, why do you always gotta talk about Zenyatta in every posting? Haven't seen one post from you where you neglect to mention her. I loved her with all my heart too, but it might be time to move on buddy.*

OK now regarding this blog, I'm not sold on News Pending personally yet. I'll say he is one to watch, but I gotta see his next race, see if he can hold his own. I like Dullahan a lot thought. He was nowhere near Hansen, Creative Cause and Union Rags, but he was picking up a lot of steam toward the end of that race when those three were running out of steam. Not saying that an extra 1 1/2 furlongs would have won it but he looked good in the late staged. Him and Creative Cause are my dark horses of sorts. Both look like they'll like the longer distance. The grey Hansen is still my favorite however, looking forward to seeing his race on Saturday.

And Draynay's delusions are still quite entertaining, almost borderline annoying once you've seen too many of them.

rorschach1992 02 Mar 2012 2:05 AM

LOL Jason, nah, I like your articles.

KY VET : thanks for posting your picks.  I almost bet on all of them but then I realized, I'll let your picks get higher odds lol.  I guess $60 is $60...  unless you hit the P4 and a big payout.  Are you going to post who you're betting the KDFW ?  and how much you're putting on them ??    Just curious, are you related to Draynay ?  

trackjack / ROBBIEJOE25 : What do you guys think of RTTR using Battaglia as one of the prep races ?  It's ungraded with a purse of less than 100K, I can't imagine any horse other than the local ones going to that race which makes it really just a useless race for the purposes of earning points.  

I'm surprised to see Hansen at 6-5 morning line being in the 12th hole.  As much as I want him to win, i'm salivating at the potential odds of the rest of the field.  I'm probably going to use My Adonis and Rajiv Maragh's horse to try and beat Hansen.   I also like TP's horse Raconteur.  1-5-8 tri box, and will play those with Hansen on top just in case Hansen is a freak.  I'm gonna research Side Road and Stealcase to see if I can use them to complete my superfecta.

JayJay 02 Mar 2012 2:11 AM

Dr D Sydneys Candy was an early bloomer as a 3yo as a colt that wasnt a distance runner, but any good horse allowed an early uncontested lead will win.He might have lasted another quarter mile in the derby if rated better.Now he is a horse and is a miler.Examples that come to mind Line of David a sprinter/miler that won the 2010 Arkansas Derby,The Factor that won the 2011 Rebel,but only at a mile and a sixteenth .The last two frontrunners to win the Derby could run a distance, Big Brown and War Emblem.Taking the lead in the Derby in the last decade has for the most part been a losing proposition.

ZORRO 02 Mar 2012 8:42 AM

HRTV broadcast a 'live' show that aired in 1982 of the Santa Anita H. Aside from the amusing parts - Wayne Lukas was part of the broadcast team and had more dark hair than white - I have to conclude:

Yeah, racing was a lot better back then; it isn't just nostalgia for the days of one's youth. John Henry shouldered 130 lbs; Providential II, winner of the previous year's Washington DC International and Hollywood Turf Cup, carried 127; both of these were coming into the race without a prep. At 126 was Perrault, a recent import who had won the 10f Arcadia H on turf. At 124 was Super Moment, winner of the CH Strub (the 10f version) the year before and who had prepped with a win in the grassy 10f San Marcos H. And at 123 was It's the One, winner of the San Fernando (9f) and CH Strub (10f) against his own age group. Weights ranged down to 115 for Sir Dancer, who had won the G1 Norfolk S at 2. Also in the field were Score Twenty Four (won the San Antonio as a prep, High Counsel (another Norfolk winner), Dorcaro (second in the 10f G1 Swaps at 3 and runner up to It's the One in the Strub), and King Go Go (second in the Big Cap the year before).

Now compare to this year's field.

And I still don't see the bumping that caused Perrault's DQ. (THey couldn't show the head-on; this was 1982.) Perrault went on to win the Budweiser Million, the Hollywood Gold Cup and the San Luis Rey S that year, but he bowed a tendon in the Marlboro Cup (or was it the Woodward?). You see, with no Pacific Classic or Goodwood H, the best West Coast horses had nowhere to run and had to go East, meaning the bests all met in a series in the fall.

I still remember my anger at the TV hosts who were musing over Perrault's poor performance in that last race, yelling "Didn't you see him being pulled up in upper stretch, you morons?" at the TV.

Pedigree Ann 02 Mar 2012 9:21 AM

Pedigree Ann.  I think the 1982 Big Cap was the first live horse race I ever saw.  John Henry was defending his 1981 Big Cap win at age 7.  He ran 1:59.  

The Big Cap still holds the all time attendace record for Santa Anita at 85,527 with Whittingham taking it 8 times.  

I have seen so many great ones over the years.  Alysheba, Ferdinand, Bayakoa versus Criminal Type and Rhulman, who I think still holds the records at a dirt mile.  

Good memories.

Householder 02 Mar 2012 1:22 PM

Now you can see why I am a handicapping legend and known by many as one of the all time greats.  Red Ace paid 4.40 for Place and the win with Ninja Blade was worth just 4.00.  If you took my advice you more than doubled your money and got paid MORE than the win ticket.  Please send me no money.  With me it's all about the children.  Take the money I won for you and buy yourself something nice and donate the rest to the kids.

Draynay 02 Mar 2012 2:52 PM

Some other Big Cap winners include Cougar II, The Bid, Affirmed, Farma Way, leading Cal bred earner of all time Best Pal, Free House, Lava Man.

Householder 02 Mar 2012 3:00 PM

JAYJAY Not sure why they picked the battaglia and not the palm beach and the crazy thing about the battaglia is MR Prankster will probally air and he isn't even nominated. Would have been nice  to pick Dullahan or Howe Great for palm beach and had one or both headed to the Blugrass or the Spiral Stakes. As far as the race this weekend Hanson should roll, but i am sure a couple horses will be flying late and give us all something to talk about next week. Hope everyone has a wonderful and prosperous weekend be safe........

ROBBIEJOE25 02 Mar 2012 4:23 PM

HANSEN WILL BE MORE LIKE 3/5 or 4/5   surprised?

KY VET 02 Mar 2012 6:55 PM

I wonder if the Dray is aware that there is a horse named for him at Aqueduct, called Chalk Player...he keeps losing too.

Age Of Reason: Brilliant and ditto!

Slew 02 Mar 2012 7:24 PM

KY VET:

I didn't say people betting the future pools were stupid.  I said they were either crazy or psychic.  Your choice.

Jean in Chicago 02 Mar 2012 7:37 PM

I was standing at last year's Belmont near the Winner's Circle prior to the post parade in the rain, when my husband turned to me and asked (figuring I, his wife, have the who's who directory of horseracing in my head) who's that? I looked and said, "Oh, that's Shack's trainer Dale Romans."  He was taking the time to sign autographs for fans on his way I assume to the paddock.  I like him as a trainer, he did a wonderful job with Shack, and I wish him the best with the ones he's got this year.  Nice article on Dale Romans, Jason.  Good stuff.

Alex'sBigFan 02 Mar 2012 7:40 PM

Jean in Chicago,

KY VET said that he won $5000 on Street Sense in Derby 2007.  You should find out from him how much he bet and what happened in years 2008, 2009, 2010 & 2011 ...also how much of his bonanza he has kept betting futures over the years. Finally, which horses is he betting this year ?(LOL)

His favourite foe whom he likes to refer to as COLD CUTS, calls him the KY KLOWN and it appears not without good reason. The 'VET' does add to the comic relief on here and shouldn't be taken too seriously. He seems like a good sport and able to defend himself well.

Ranagulzion 03 Mar 2012 6:17 PM

Marmar,

I was not the one who stated that Roman's does not get the pick of the liter.  It was another blogger, named Rolling Thunder.

Sorry, that your colt did not run well today and I hope he came out of the race to race another day.  

In all seriousness, how much does it cost to fly a horse from S. FL to NY?  

Trebloc 03 Mar 2012 7:31 PM

Draynay and Ky Vet  When you can take the bottlecap from my hand you will be ready to handicap the San Felipe.

CHIEF PICAWINNA 04 Mar 2012 8:00 PM

KY Vet Learn from the master

CHIEF PICAWINNA 05 Mar 2012 9:11 AM

Confucius says "White horse will not win big race first Saturaday in May"

CHIEF PICAWINNA 05 Mar 2012 9:20 AM


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