Final Preps Will Tell the Story

A few years ago when I started doing this blog I used to put out a Kentucky Derby top 10 list every few weeks beginning in February. Then I realized what a fruitless task it was and I stopped. We all have enough difficulty picking a winner on the first Saturday in May, so to say a horse is ranked seventh on Feb. 22 or fifth on March 20, is pretty much meaningless. We can try to group them into different categories, like contender vs. pretenders, but things change daily on the Triple Crown trail and there are too many variables to attach an accurate ranking to any particular horse, so why even try?

As Bob Baffert says, nobody really knows what they have until the final Derby preps are run, so we might as well wait to see how things play out. Now, this is not to say that we can't have fun with the Derby trail, study pedigrees, and bet on who we like. Everyone has their favorites and the build-up to the race is almost as important as the race itself. But that's as far as I'll go until the field is drawn and final picks are made a couple days before the race.

What I do think is neat about this time on the calendar--that is, just before the final preps are run--is that we can kind of pinpoint the major matchups about to take place. Those all important final preps begin this weekend with the Spiral Stakes and the Sunland Derby. The following weekend is the Florida and Louisiana Derby, followed by the Illinois Derby, Santa Anita Derby, and Wood Memorial. The Arkansas Derby and Blue Grass Stakes cap off a wild month of 3-year-old racing.

There are always going to be new shooters in every race and the possibility for upsets (How about this 14-length maiden winner Cigar Street pointing for the Louisiana Derby?) is always there, but as best as I can tell here are the major matchups we have to look forward to in the final preps. Think of this as a cheat sheet leading up to final exams.

Spiral (March 24): This one looks as wide-open as any prep I've seen with a couple of Graham Motion trainees, State of Play and Went the Day Well, and undefeated and lightly-raced Pletcher horse Heavy Breathing likely to take much of the action. John Battaglia runner-up Ill Conceived and Gotham runner Stealcase are also horses to watch in what figures to be a full field.

Sunland Derby (March 25): Southwest winner Castaway will be the one to beat after looking great in his last start. Baffert will also send recent maiden winner Stirred Up, but the other main contenders will be El Camino Real winner Daddy Nose Best, Longview Drive, and impressive Pletcher maiden winner Ender Knievel. A win by Castatway will put him in the upper-echelon of Derby contenders.

Florida Derby (March 31): It's being billed as a showdown between Union Rags and El Padrino, who are ranked as top contenders by almost everyone. Union Rags is going to be the heavy favorite. If he wins and does so convincingly, the Triple Crown hype will officially start. Also aiming for the Florida Derby are two horses who need a big showing-Fountain of Youth runner-up News Pending and Take Charge Indy, who bypassed the Tampa Day Derby to wait for this race. (I'm still confused about that decision).

Louisiana Derby (April 1): With word that Alpha is now going here, it's gives the race a shot in the arm. They were looking for the easiest spot for the Withers winner and they probably found it. That's not to say the race will be a walkover, but a top three finish will get him into the Derby. Alpha might be favored, but Mark Valeski is going to take a lot of money (including mine). He loves the track and apparently has only gotten better since the Rise Star. Also in the field will be Z Dager, Shared Property, Mr. Bowling, and possibly the aforementioned Cigar Street.

Santa Anita Derby (April 7): It looks like a rematch between San Felipe winner Creative Cause and Baffert's improving runner-up Bodemeister, with a little I'll Have Another sprinkled in. Creative Cause probably established himself as the best of the West, but he'll need to repeat his performance to prove it. Liaison, fourth in the Lewis, will also take one more shot for Baffert. Sabercat might stay out in California for this one too after a so-so Rebel effort.

Wood Memorial (April 7): The matchup right now centers on champion Hansen vs. undefeated Gemologist. Can Hansen carry his speed a little further or is Gemologist heading back to Churchill undefeated where he already has two wins? Other interesting horses looking at the Wood are recent inner track stakes winner Street Life, My Adonis, and perhaps Tampa Bay Derby winner Prospective.

Illinois Derby (April 7): Late nominations don't close for this race until Saturday, and I don't think even Hawthorne knows who the probables are for this race. With a purse increase to $500,000, it will probably include a host of horses on the fringe looking for one shot at the Derby. Our Entourage, a Pletcher/Repole colt that was pretty good in winning a turf allowance last out, is one of the possible favorites-if he goes. Also pointing to the race is Paynter, an extremely talented Baffert horse who has just one start-a maiden win going 5 1/2 furlongs on Feb. 18.

Arkansas Derby (April 14): Well, we know Secret Circle will be favored. Optimzer, Scatman, and Jake Mo will be back too. One interesting name popping up is On Fire Baby, the filly who won the Honeybee on March 10 and who just might take on the boys. We'll see.

Blue Grass (April 14): Howe Great and Dullahan will probably take on each other again after a close race in the Palm Beach. Prospective might show up here if he doesn't go to New York. Other than that, your guess is as good as mine.

I'm sure I missed a few. And I'm sure there will be some upsets along the way to Louisville.

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Bob from Boston

Heavy Breathing for the win.  Or winning.  Don't bet on Went the Day Well.  I've heard he has syntax problems.

20 Mar 2012 8:40 PM
MikeM

Bodemeister will not get the distance. Creative Cause galloped out 3/8 in front. Sometimes too much is made out of the gallop out but not in this case.

20 Mar 2012 9:13 PM
Ranagulzion

Louisianna Derby: Discreet Dancer puts away Mark Valeski and Alpha

Wood Memorial: Gemologist upsets Hansen

Arkansas Derby: Bodemeister spreadeagles the field

Sunland Derby: Daddy Nose Best outguns Castaway

UAE Derby: Lucky Chappy outduels Wrote

Spiral: insignificant race this year

Illinois Derby: also insignificant UNLESS Trinniberg shows up.

Bluegrass: insignificant backdoor entrance into the Derby of late BUT How Great, Dullahan or Exothermic could change that

Santa Anita: Creative Cause should win but there are wisperings of a break-out performance, a la Premier Pegasus, an upset looming: I guess we could all do with another in order to get even before the midnight transfer. Just some saber-rattlings going on I guess (LOL)

Florida Derby: Anti-climatic as Union Rags humbles El Padrino, one that doesn't need another gut wrencher before his big date in Louisville.

Thats how I'm seeing this last round of Preps

20 Mar 2012 9:13 PM
Turf Writer Warren

Yes, my friend, rating the growing up three-year-olds is a near impossible thing to do.  In most cases you see the same names.  I approach the process a bit different.  Exceptional runs early on are awarded an (*) asterisk.  They earn it with good runs in traffic, good FF(final fractions), and willing gallop outs.  We like to believe we can separate the men from the so-called boys early on.  Our ratings this year have been hampered by trainers who have made decisions to keep a colt on grass.  I mention this because for weeks I've had a colt called Exothermic ranked near the top.  Rusty Arnold, who knows a lot more about the game than this hardened veteran, has not surfaced with this colt so he will have to be dropped this week.  There is also a super talented filly in the Baffert barn named Princess Arabella.  She also has not been seen since her awesome seven furlong performance.  Those are things we have no control over, but at least through our video tape review rituals, we believe our list is more valid than most.  The approach to get to the big dance has been changing also.  And as you already know most so-called experts don't look at dosage.  The sheets and speed number specialists have tried to simplify the process.  They can be useful for up and down cycles but they, in my opinion, are not a catch-all or an easy way to draw valid conclusions.  Let me point to one race where the numbers guys totally blew it in my opinion.  When Exothermic won at Gulfstream Park on February 5 it was a special race.  They gave the race a low rating and that number has already proved to be flawed.  News Pending chased the super talented Exothermic to the line that day on the grass.  He returned to run better than looked in the Fountain of Use at boxcars.  If you go back and review News Pending's race in the Fountain you will see a colt used early and wide and still exhibit grit for second at boxcars.   This is why both Exothermic and News Pending(who transferred his grass form to dirt)are deserving a spots among the top 10 colts of this sophomore class.  And yes, I respect the obvious--Hansen and Union Rags(who has looked like a man among boys) but have tried hard to be objective while doing my video tape review of the others.

20 Mar 2012 9:36 PM
Carlos in Cali

I can see Pletcher running Raconteur in either the Arkansas Derby/Bluegrass,then Peter Pan and Belmont Stakes.

CarLOStradamus has spoken.

On Fire Baby should stick to running against fillies if she couldn't get past the very mediocre Reckless Jerry when they met.

Speaking of fillies: any word on the lightning-fast Pletcher trained Broadway's Alibi?... it's been awhile.

Jason, bring back your Top 10 list so Coldfacts could scrutinize every single one of them with his mind-boggling assertions,i.e.: "Gemologist has no shot because he has a head of the dinosaurs and no dinosaurs headed horse has ever won the Kentucky Derby". Hopefully he'll post his list so we can all have a little laugh.I'm sure he has his eyes on a Dubai-based horse by now.  

20 Mar 2012 11:12 PM
Coldfacts

NO LOVE FOR NAJJAAR

I see there is no love for Najjaar. He got beat 41/2L closing a 20 lengths gap and passed the leading group in the gallop out. I expected more pace in the Rebel but that was not the case. The pace in the 9F OK Derby is expected to be slower. Ironically this should allow Najjaar to take closer orders early and consequently will not be 20L behind. There is no colt in the field to be assembled that can out run Najjaar at 9F. He must have an outstanding chance to win. He has finished second on turf and synthetic and consequently he could show in either the Spiral or Bluegrass. There will be a lot of classy colts contesting these races but they are all stamina suspect. Do not write off this colt as he might just turn up in blinkers for his next start.  

20 Mar 2012 11:40 PM
RJPPDP

I start ranking horses after the Breeders Cup Juvenile. It helps me organize my thoughts on all the top 2 year olds I have watched since the summer and fall. As each week goes by, I take into account the races I have watched for the week as well as what I read on this blog. I take everyones opinions seriously and try to view the horse they love from there prospective. Each week I will rerank all horses. As the derby approaches, I will organize my horses on a daily basis and then finalize my final wager about 30 minutes prior to the derby.

I 1 1/8 races I will put most importance and then their previous action. It lots of works but it is my passion.

This weeks picks: Sunland

Ender Knievel/Castaway/Isn't He Clever

Spiral: State of Play/ Heavy Breathing/ Steelcase

21 Mar 2012 12:18 AM
papillon

for the spiral and the sunland, i don't have any strong feelings other than that i doubt that either will produce the derby winner and that i hope state of play, castaway, and zack n matt are first and second for my RTTR stables =)

for the fl derby, rags has the edge in my book but only because he enters the race having carried 122lbs in his last 3 races successfully.  el p could prove to be another shackelford, who could go from feather-weight to high weight successfully, but he could equally prove to be a soldat who withered under the weight, the heat, and the humidity.

based on the fact that take charge indy was 6 1/2 lengths behind rags at 122lbs going 1 1/16th, i'm not confident that he'll beat rags carrying 122lbs going 1 1/8th, unless rags is unwell or unfit.  i really don't see this as the show down everybody is framing it as--if rags gets beat, then he wasn't the horse everyone thought he was because take charge indy is not in his class and el p is unproven at both the distance and the weight.

if el p wins, pray the fl derby first time with weight, last time to race trend doesn't play out once again. pray for it even if he doesn't win...

the la derby is not very interesting to me eight tbh. it's hard to have any faith in alpha, when even his own trainer doesn't have any--and even if alpha wins, which he should, he's up against it since he lost the last time he raced at churchill by double digits to hansen, rags, and cause.

bernadinis just don't do very well there--if he follows the family trend, he'll be a non-factor until saratoga. dominate at saratoga, be proclaimed a possible horse of the year, and then fade to last in the BCC after having been a non-factor.

mark valeski has the same problem that el p has with first time weight and first time 1 1/8.

santa anita is creative cause's to lose--his best competition outside of hansen and rags, couldn't beat him while getting weight and going shorter, so it is very unlikely bodemeister will beat him with additional weight and distance.

and i have a feeling i'll have another will flame out completely--i've always felt he won due to weight allowances anyway, and the results of his fellow well-placed light weights from that race seem to confirm that.

as with el p, we'll have to say a pray and light some candles that the triple threat of first time weight + first time distance + concrete surface doesn't result in last race of the year or career for horses like bode m. i'm not so worried about cause, he's already taken a licking and kept on ticking--i actually think he is this year's shackleford-war horse.

the wood is the conundrum for me--gemologist had almost identical fractions in his 1 1/16 ky jockey club race, as hansen had in his 1 /16 bcj race--with hansen setting slightly faster fractions at all points until the finish line, where they had identical times, over the same track, carrying the same weight, at the same distance...but...optimizer was 11 lengths behind hansen and only 2 1/2 lengths behind gem...and given that proven horses, like game on dude, had such slow times that weekend, i'm inclined to think that hansen had the more tiring track and thus the "faster" time of the two.

and that optmizer came back to close well for second in the rebel doesn't mean anything to me--he was only carrying 115lbs, 7 lbs less than secret circle and 2lbs less than scatman, and even then he still couldn't get by circle, even though poor circle was weaving in the stretch like a drunk on bourbon street. personally, i think optimizer kind of sucks--he's like santiva-a horse everybody talks about and waits to break through, but who never fails to disappoint.

also, i'm more skeptical of gem's supposedly supercallifrajilisitic allowance race, than apparently anyone else in the world is.  

gem, carrying 4 lbs less than hansen did in the holy bull, but over a better track in better weather and with a better start, posted fractions of: 23.51, 45.99 (22.48), 1.09.74 (23.75), and 1.34.39 (24.65).  

hansen posted fractions of 22.56, 44.47 (21.91),  1.09.11 (24.64) and 1.35.92 (26.81).  now before all the hansen haters start having conniptions of joy--not only gem's time, but the next two horses in gem's race would not only have beaten hansen,  st. rags too (to the mile in the foy). in fact, even the fourth horse in gem's allowance race would have beaten rags to the mile in the foy.

so, again i'm inclined to think that gem benefited from yet another faster surface/same track scenario--not to mention the 4 lbs he got from both hansen and rags--unless of course we really should be paying way more attention to the likes of "jordan's image."

i think gem will give hansen a good test, but unlike most i'm not so quick to give the wood to gem--at equal weights, no way would algorithms have beaten hansen by 5 lenghts and gem won't get that break.

it'll be a nail biter for sure, but unlike el p and mark v and bode m, gem has already proved he can withstand distance while under weight, so candles sand prayers might not be necessary (course aqueduct does seem dead set on killing horse this meet so...).

anywho, the wood should very intriguing match up--the most intriguing. of course i also read several places that no horse can win the derby if they win the wood--so i guess its outcome is moot...(and people laugh at me and my weight theory...geesh...)

i'm going to go against the grain and say circle wins the ark easily.  on fire baby would be great if she goes--and if she doesn't run,  the race will be pretty ho hum...anyway, i don't think eddigton's son is the next factor, which is good for him in arkansas, but maybe not so good down the road...

the blue grass always seems so desperate and last minute these days that it's really too hard to take any horse racing in it seriously...i'd be more inclined to see one of its alums as the belmont threat rather than the derby threat. and i couldn't care less about the Illinois--unless all the horses int he race dye their tails.

here's my ~tl;dr--this year to me is startling and exciting in its formfullness. we've had so many formless years in arow, that we've forgotten that great horses can and do start at two, and that most in this sport have. it's been a long time since we had several dominate two year olds--usually of late we have had only one, and he's usually been injured by january.  

the more races that are run, the more i really am expecting the bcj to prove to be a very close approximation for the derby outcome, with the biggest differences in the placings and names of the horses 4-14 (-20), then in the placings of the horse that are 1-3.  and that would is quite remarkable.

21 Mar 2012 12:28 AM
Trebloc

Jason,

Nice read!  I think you and the rest of Eagle fans will be glad you passed on Manning.  

Smart move to race Alpha in the LA Derby, but its not like Godolphin to be ascared of anyone.  Wonder if he is as good as once thought.

Friday w/o for Cigar Street.  

Nice to hear that my 2011 Derby Pick (Brethren)is scheduled to run on the FL Derby undercard.  Wecom back!

HOY should never bitch/complain about weights!  

Heavy Breathing and Castaway to win this weekend!  Off to the gym to do my own heavy breathing!

21 Mar 2012 9:09 AM
Jason Shandler

Best QBs of all-time

1. John Elway

1a. Peyton Manning

Cool that they will now play for the same franchise. Peyton will get his second ring before he is done.

Now that we have that understood, we can move on to horse racing.

21 Mar 2012 9:45 AM
2:24

Far be it from me to question the route taken by a horse to the Derby, but I don't like the vibe I'm getting from Alpha's connection.  Choose a race and run in it.  Quit looking for the easiest spot and step up.  Ooh, Florida Derby is too tough, Wood Memorial is too tough, we'll go to Louisiana.  In my opinion, they should stick with the Wood because Mark Valeski is going to lullaby Alpha in the Louisiana Derby.

21 Mar 2012 9:49 AM
steve from st louis

Jason, don't you love symmetry regarding John Elway and the Colts? It was Colts owner Jim Irsay's heavy-drinking father, Bob who traded Elway to Denver when the Stanford QB refused to deal with him as the No. 1 pick of the 1983 NFL Draft. Elway turns down a baseball deal from the Yankees (he was a tremendous CF) and goes on to lead the Broncos to two Super Bowls.

Now the Colts future Hall of Fame QB leaves the Colts and signs with Elway and the Broncos. Isn't karma a bitch?

21 Mar 2012 10:24 AM
JayJay

I guess HDG will only run where weight assignments are not required ?  How many of those races are there ?

Spiral : State of Play and Stealcase

Sunland Derby : Castaway.   Ender Knievel and Longview Drive for exotics

Florida Derby : El Padrino with Union Rags and Golden Ticket.  This is the race I've been waiting for for Union Rags.  It has all the test, distance, a legitimate contender.  It's going to be a good race.

Louisiana Derby : Alpha with Shared Property and Cigar Street.

Santa Anita Derby :  Creative Cause.

Wood Memorial : Hansen with My Adonis and Gemologist

Illinois Derby : Baffert will probably take this one too

Arkansas Derby :  Secret Circle with Jake Mo and Optimizer.  Secret Circle looks to me like a real derby contender.  He looks like he's done at the top of the stretch then he starts running and does it easy (or at least it looks that way).  I'm really intrigued by this horse now.

Bluegrass : I heard this might be one of the races Exothermic will use to get in the Derby (the other is the Lexington).  If Exothermic goes, he's my pick.  Otherwise, I don't really care for this race.

21 Mar 2012 10:53 AM
Bill Two

Love the fact that Gemologist already has two wins at CD, an obviously significant point in his favor. However, as everyone knows it's way early to get too excited about anybody's chances.  Elway #1?? How about Joe Montana or John Unitas?

21 Mar 2012 11:15 AM
Draynay

There are still people out there who believe Joe Montana is not the best NFL QB ever ?  Crazy.

21 Mar 2012 11:22 AM
Draynay

Papillon do you really  think a 1100 pound horse gives a rats butt about 2 lbs one way or the other ?  Mark V. won't care and will win regardless of a few pounds.  Union Rags is a monster stand 17 hands and could carry 130 and whip El Overrated.

21 Mar 2012 11:27 AM
Weekend

state of play I heard is going to Transylvania at keeneland...

21 Mar 2012 11:37 AM
Age of Reason

Many of us have been saying for quite some time this could be one of the best 3yo crops of recent memory, now the previews have me salivating! (lol)

Jason, it was also interesting to be reminded of Wrote pointing for the UAE Derby; any word if he might aim (contingent on a solid Dubai performance) for the Derby, a la Master of Hounds?

21 Mar 2012 11:41 AM
CHIEF PICAWINNA

Creative Cause worked in 46 and change before the San Felipe and barely beat a tiring Bodemeister coming out of a maiden.Everyone is writing about the gallop out but it looked a lot better because the only close colt was Bodemeister and Baffert admitted he was tired at the end.While Creative Cause looks like the best thus far,we might have seen his best in the San Felipe.

21 Mar 2012 11:45 AM
Weekend

The easiest race on paper so far is the Arkansas Derby. If you are a trainer looking for graded earnings, Naajar, Z Dager, any closer for that matter, should run in the Ark Derby. We all know that Secret Circle is going to hit a wall, Scatman is one paced, jakemo has not shown much, and Optimizer is the biggest threat. I would be licking my chops with a closer in that race. easy money. Plus, it is a tiring track, so any horse running there will get something out of the race and set up for the Derby. BTW, Valseki will beat Alpha in the Lou Derby. Recency people, recency! Plus, Rosie said yesterday he was working awesome.

21 Mar 2012 11:46 AM
Jason Shandler

You guys are correct on State of Play. He will not run in Spiral.

Age of Reason: Ive heard nothing on Wrote. Im sure we'll find out after the UAE Derby but I have no interest in any potential Derby horse based overseas.

If Super Bowls are the only thing that you base QB rankings on, that is foolish. Is Terry Bradshaw better than Elway or Brady because he has four? Is Trent Dilfer better than Dan Marino? Don't be so shortsighted Dray. Rings are important, but there are so many other factors that matter. Montana also had the best WR and coach in the history of the game, and a good defense. Elway and Manning are both better.

21 Mar 2012 11:56 AM
Carlos in Cali

What does Peyton/Lebron/Pletcher & A-Rod have in common...

They put-up excellent "regular season #'s", different story when it comes to crunch time. Fact.

21 Mar 2012 12:26 PM
Draynay

I will go with who Dan Marino and JOHN ELWAY call the best ever at QB.  Both agree it is Joe Montana.  4 Superbowls and 4 Superbowl wins.  He set the standard for how the game is played today.  His stats speak for themselves.  True Superbowls are not everything because of Terry Bradshaw but if you look at his stats he threw just as many interceptions as he did touchdowns.  Today that would get you benched.  Manning has not done well enough in the post season to be mentioned with Joe.  4 Superbowls with 3 MVP's in the game stand alone.  Can you imagine what Joe would do with the rules today protecting the QB ?

21 Mar 2012 1:09 PM
Draynay

Scatman ran a great race and took all the heat up front.  With a little better trip I think Scatman is the one to beat.  If he gets an outside post he could be dangerous.

21 Mar 2012 1:11 PM
Precisionist

Jason: Always enjoy reading your horse racing columns + banter with Claire Novak.

Elway/Manning/Marino/Bradshaw/Aikman/Kelly/Fouts = all excellent underneath in exotic plays. Key Brady + Montana on top

21 Mar 2012 1:28 PM
Draynay

Hey Mark it's me Union Rags how you doing ?  Fine Union what's up.  Hey I have a little info you may be interested in.  Really ?  like what ?  Well Mark I hear Alpha is leaving Florida thinking its going to be a little softer in Louisiana.  Really ?  He said that ?  Union you tell everyone in the barn and everyone who will listen that I am going to spank his butt all the way back to Hallendale.  Anyone else who shows up will get the same treatment.  By the way, I heard the State Restricted Poly Champion is back on the market.  No way Mark, I don't like my mares that thick.  Now if Rachel was available I would be all over it.  Stand in line Union after I win the Louisiana Rachel is all mine.

21 Mar 2012 1:43 PM
MikeM

I don't care how much Bodemeister got out of that race. The longer Creative Cause goes  the more he wins by. He didn't start the real running until inside the 1/8 pole. Also, any of these horse are fit enough to work in .46 so I'm not sure what the relevance is.

21 Mar 2012 1:48 PM
Johnny

Their is no way Elway was the best of all tiime.

He did not win a Super Bowl until he had T.D. Fact.. He is top 10 but not the best. He made the show 6 times and is 2-4

Montana 4-0

Is Peyton even the best Manning?

What did Montana have his first super Bowl? Rice was not their yet.

Brady please tell me who he has or ever had?

He never had a Edgerrin James at R.B nor a Reggie Wayne at WR. Manning played years with the same studs.  

Brady has done the most with the least and the year he had a stud in Moss he went crazy.

Marino was the best pure passer of all time and if he played with todays rules he would throw for 6,000 yds and 60 tds.

Young is the most under rated of all of them, he hade more TDs to Rice than Montana. He was very mobile as well and if played his full career in the NFL he would have had more Super Bowls.

21 Mar 2012 1:57 PM
Jason Shandler

You have to take everything into account, not just SB wins--passing yards, TDs, game-winning drives, completion percentage, win%, scrambling ability, leadership, the kinds of teams they played on (ie., did they have a good defense, coach, etc), and yes, rings. In other words, you have to WATCH football on a regular basis.

Manning's stats dwarf Montanas in the regular season. Yes, he has had some bad playoff games but truth be told, he had below average defenses in a lot of those years. When you combine all the skills, stats, and talent, Elway and Manning stand above the rest.

Brady has had two of the biggest chokes in football history--when they were up 24-3 at halftime against the Colts in AFC championship and lost, and losing to Giants in first SB after being 18-0. Plus, his second loss to the Giants this year really changed his legacy. he played below average in the last two SB. He's not as good as Manning, period. He's a little dink and dunk passer. Manning is more accurate, a better leader, better arm, etc. He's just better, and isnt a crybaby. Manning was hurt and the team won one game. When Brady was hurt the team still won 10 games and went to playoffs without him. You do the math.

Johnny: Nice to have you back from the softball, volleyball, and bowling blogs. You really know your sports.

21 Mar 2012 2:50 PM
Trebloc

Johnny,

You may be the smartest man on this blog.  Let's not forget Peyton had every chance to win his second SB, but opted to throw a interception with three minutes left in the game.  

21 Mar 2012 3:02 PM
Jason Shandler

Manning: 54,828 passing yards, 399 career TDs

Brady: 39,979 passing yards, 300 TDs. Two Super Bowl chokes.

Who takes an intentional grounding safety in the first quarter of a SB? It changed the whole complexion of the game. Brady came up SMALL in the last two Super Bowls and lost as the favorite. He's had a much better coach and defense than Peyton over the years too.

No contest. Next.

21 Mar 2012 3:15 PM
Trebloc

Here is my favorite stat:  

Patriots 24 - Eagles 21

21 Mar 2012 3:36 PM
Jason Shandler

How does it feel to get beat by Peyton's little brother twice in a row? What happened to the "genius" coach and his pretty boy QB? I thought they were invincible?

21 Mar 2012 3:43 PM
josh

I rarly agree with Jason, but I have to say P. Manning will be known as one of the best QB's when he retires.

Back onto horse racing.

Draynay you always surprise me... with your disgusting humor.

I reserve the right to not have a derby pick yet until the blog before the derby. That being said I'm leaning towards Union Rags, and Creative Cause. I also like the way Dullahan is heading. The bubble horses include: Bodemiester, Midnight Transfer, News Pending, Lucky Chappy, Secret Circle, El Padrino and I'll Have Another. Horse that I don't like their chances come derby day, Alpha, Hansen, Mark Valeski, Liasion, Sabercat, Take Charge Indy, Castaway and Daddy Nose Best I'm positive by the time the preps are finished there will be many horses to drop and add to these lists. I like to be surprised before derby day.

21 Mar 2012 3:46 PM
steve from st louis

As a former member of the Pro Football Writers Association, I asked my old boss Al Davis (who surreptitiously owned Pro Football Weekly through his "beard" Art Arkush)who was the best quarterback he ever saw. He told me Elway was "the best athlete to ever play the game." To me it was interesting how he answered my  question.

21 Mar 2012 3:55 PM
Trebloc

Its pretty simple the Pretty Boy QB and genius coach, just can't win them all.  Just like Zenyatta.  HA!

21 Mar 2012 3:55 PM
Jason Shandler

Steve: Im glad to see you write that about Davis. It confirms my opinions. Elway had it all: He was mobile, rocket for an arm, accurate as anyone, awesome in clutch siuations, a winner, etc. Even before he won a SB I said he was the best I've ever seen.

I know you know your football. What are your opinions?

21 Mar 2012 3:59 PM
Bill Two

One thing you have to admit: Eli = Money.

21 Mar 2012 4:00 PM
Johnny

Sure Shandler;

Manning started 14-0 lost the first round to the Steelers. What is that? AT HOME!!

I agree regarding Brady and the last 2 Super Bowls but did you not say look at the whole picture? Oh only when it helps your argument?

As far as Brady being a dinker look at his passes to Moss the 2 years he was their. It was the only time he has ever had a legit deep threat.

Damn if Brady had Peyton's weapons who knows.

Now the game is dink and dunk because Welker is his stud! Lets not forget his best player Gronk was playing on a flat tire during the Super Bowl.

Why don't you put Marino's stats up their?

He blows both of them away and what kind of R.B or any support did he have?

As we all like to say "lock up your beagle Vick is an Eagle."

Bow Wow  

21 Mar 2012 4:10 PM
Johnny

Is this the same Al Davis who could not keep a coach for more than a year?

One thing for sure, I would love to have any of these QB's we are talking about on my team.

We are splitting hairs.

Ruls have changed as years have gone by and in todays rules Marino would tear this league up.

He is the best pure passer of all time.

So good one of the best coaches of all time changed his coaching style just to accomidate him.

21 Mar 2012 4:23 PM
Jason Shandler

Marino: 61,361 passing yards, 420 touchdowns.

Manning will pass him in TDs this year and in passing yards in 2013.

Manning: 1 Super Bowl (will get another)

Marino: 0 Super Bowls

Johnny: Try again.

21 Mar 2012 4:30 PM
CHIEF PICAWINNA

When a horse works in 46 and change for an upcoming race in the case of Hard Spun before the derby a frontrunner it could have been close to what they wanted.In the case of a presser like Creative Cause I doubt very seriously it is by design,so It wouldnt surprise me if he has hit his peak,for his backers it dosent mean he cannot remain there and win, but I think he might of hit the top of his range.

21 Mar 2012 4:33 PM
steve from st louis

Jason, to me the most worthless argument is adding how many Super Bowls a quarterback won. Even if Elway never won one, he would still be the best. I don't hold it against Marino, who was probably the best pure passer to ever play the game, but not the best quarterback; it is, after all, a team game.

Incidently, when Peyton Manning was in high school in New Orleans, Jim Hanifan, the ex-Cardinals head coach, told me confidentialy that Manning was better at that time than either of his pro quarterbacks, Chris Chandler and I think Timm Rosenbach.

There's no doubt Manning is in the conversation as  an all-time great, but Montana had a Hall of Fame coach and a Hall of Fame receiver to play catch with, something neither Elway nor Manning had.

21 Mar 2012 4:36 PM
Jason Shandler

Good points Steve. I suppose Marvin Harrison will be in the HOF one day. Im not sure he will be at the ceremony, but his plaque will be in Canton :)

21 Mar 2012 4:39 PM
Weekend

Dont Forget Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, and Doug Williams, my favorite 3 African American QB's.

Ok football folks, who is the biggest bust to play the QB position coming out of college. I will start with RYAN LEAF. Jasuckus Russel (purple drank) is a close 2nd...

21 Mar 2012 4:46 PM
steve from st louis

And Johnny, Al Davis was the greatest football mind to ever work the game. Davis changed the AFL and then the NFL and kept evolving for 50 years. The fact he went through head coaches late in life means nothing. His coaching tree included Sid Gillman, John Madden, Tom Flores (the first hispanic head coach), Bill Walsh, Art Shell (the first black head coach), Dick Vermeil, Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden and Jim Harbaugh. Forgive me but for you to disparage Davis shows how little you know about football.

21 Mar 2012 4:53 PM
Jason Shandler

Johnny doesnt know much about sports in general, cut him a little slack. He's new to it.

Steve: I think a lot of people remember the aging, stubborn Davis who really made a lot of bad choices in his final 10 years. They dont tend to remember all the great things he did that you mentioned.

21 Mar 2012 4:57 PM
Draynay

Steve from St. Louis you know as much about football as Jason does.  John Elway never had a Hall of Fame coach ???? HUH ???  That proves you know nothing.

21 Mar 2012 6:03 PM
Draynay

Manning didn't have a Hall of Fame coach and Receiver?  HUH ???  You don't think Tony Dungy and Marvin Harrison are going to the Hall of Fame ?  You know less than Jason.

21 Mar 2012 6:07 PM
longwaytomay

Johnny,

  What did Brady ever have? A coach who decided the best way to win was to cheat. Don't believe Montana or Manning ever had that.

  Best QB ever was Otto Graham.  Bar none. You guys didn't say best modern day QB!

21 Mar 2012 6:09 PM
LAZMANNICK

For all those who consider themselve3s Saints, I understand that there's a one year job opportunity in New Orleans.

21 Mar 2012 6:09 PM
Draynay

I just got a text from Rod Smith and Shannon Sharpe they want to know what idiot thinks they are not going to the Hall of Fame.  St. Louis and Jason they told me to tell you to stick to horse racing.

21 Mar 2012 6:19 PM
It aint easy being good!

What would be great is if Jason S could pick a fricken winner here soon! Your colder than the other side of the pillow haha! I will be listening this week for your spiral picks and will bet it since i suck on the fake dirt so you better be right!

21 Mar 2012 6:27 PM
Carlos in Cali

Peyton played with 2 perennial All-pro wide-receivers most of his career; Harrington/Wayne. He also had a bevy of talented RBs/TEs at his disposal. And not to mention he had defensive teams that were consistently rated among the top 10 in the league.Out of the top 10 QBs that ever played,he had the best weapons,i.e.,(WR,RB,TE) and still fell way short of expectations in post season play.Peyton is arguably the best regular season QB,but...

Call me crazy,but I'll take a healthy Kurt Warner over anyone else on the list(s). Don't laugh! Just Google/Wiki him.Clutch!

21 Mar 2012 6:39 PM
Jason Shandler

Dray: You're dumber than you look. Montana had the best WR to ever play the game, a HOF running back in Roger Craig, a HOF tight end in Dwight Clark, an offensive genius as a coach, and a very good defense. Nobody is denying that Peyton had weapons, but not the caliber that Montana had. Manning made Wayne, not the other way around. Plus, Dungy was a good coach, not a great coach.

Did you watch football this year? The Colts won two games and had one of the most dreadful offenses in years. With Manning they would have done the same thing they always have done, win 10+ and go to the playoffs. He's simply the most valuable player on any team in the league, and has been for the the last 12 years.

Stick to picking chalk at Calder.

21 Mar 2012 7:24 PM
steve from st louis

Mrs. Draynay, please tell your husband to stick to taking out the trash before he trashes someone far more knowledgable than he. Please inform him John Elway's three pro coaches at Denver were Dan Reeves, Wade Phillips and Mike Shanahan, none of whom are in the Pro Football  Hall of Fame. And you have my deepest sympathy.

21 Mar 2012 8:18 PM
steve from st louis

Jason: Calder officials have to be upset anytime their track is mentioned in connection with a Draynay post. I guarantee that's the last time you'll be welcomed in their press box.

21 Mar 2012 8:40 PM
Bob from Boston

Alright.  Enough with the football.  It is a stupid sport.  I’ve seen car collisions with less impact on humans.  The only reason people like football is beer.  Subtract beer from the equation and you have a bunch of 80% empty stadiums and players playing for $18,000 a year.  Don’t get me wrong, I like a good beer as much as Ted from LA, but I don’t need to watch people concuss and paralyze each other to enjoy it.  I have spoken and I better not see another word about it or I will ban you.  Now let’s get back to talking about a safe sport in which the fans don’t drink.  

21 Mar 2012 8:42 PM
El Kabong

Billy's E

LEAF..... end of game. BIggest loser by  far, but in second place and I do not want any argument,

With second pick in the 1993 NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawks select, RICK " I didn't really want to play football after Notre Dame," MIRER. I'm giving that draft two thumbs down, and a reverse around the world backsnap to South Bend!

21 Mar 2012 8:56 PM
Draynay

St. Louis again you know nothing.  I am from Ohio where the Pro Football is located and where the Hall of Fame game will be played.  Coach Dan Reeves will be on the stage to give his speech.  Dan Reeves is part of the 2012 class for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.  Now... you were saying what ?  Don't you love coming to this blog to get the latest news ?  You're welcome.

21 Mar 2012 9:18 PM
Draynay

Jason you know nothing.  In a few years Tony Dungy will be in the Hall of Fame you dork.  Hall of Fame coach and Wide Receiver hmmm sound familiar ?

21 Mar 2012 9:21 PM
steve from st louis

Bob, you're right. This is a horseracing blog. Where were we? Oh, yeah, talking about beer. I understand they brew some in your hometown, Sam Adams. Unfortunately it tastes like it was brewed by the original Sam Adams. Of course, I have no room to talk. My town's Budweiser has seen its' better days. Maybe we should meet at Finger Lakes. That Genesee Cream Ale from Rochester is really tasty. Crush about four of those with some Buffalo chicken wings from the Anchor Bar, now that's something we can surely agree upon, can't we?

21 Mar 2012 9:21 PM
Johnny

St.Louis Steve.

Yes, I understand how good Davis was,he did change the league.

However what I said was fact he went through coaches like Jason goes thru love affairs with every Pletcher horse.

As far as cheating lets not be blind they all do just like the NCAA just some get caught, BOUNTY ANYONE?

St Louis Steve I still believe Young is the most underrated of all time.

As Far as Elway did he not start the cry baby syndrom?

Im not playing for the team that drafted me WHAH!

By the way Schandler aka MR.FOOTBALL Dwight Clark was not a TE he was a W.R.

21 Mar 2012 9:55 PM
Johnny

How about Aikman?

I dont consider him top ten..Even though he has 3 Super Bowls..

Emmitt Smith the best R.B of all time?

I would of loved to see Barry Sanders run behind his line..

I think for sure the one thing we all agree on is Rice was the best ever at his position.

21 Mar 2012 10:02 PM
Jason Shandler

Speaking of off topic subjects that are now part of the conversation: What is everyones favorite beer? Mine is Tetley's, an English Pub Ale. Check it out if you are into that style.

Dray prefers Michelob Ultra. He likes that it's low calorie and is rumored to regrow hair.

21 Mar 2012 10:30 PM
Jason Shandler

Man, I really miss Revla's insightful comments. He added a lot to this blog.

Oh wait, April Fool's isnt for another 10 days.

21 Mar 2012 10:45 PM
Johnny

Im a scotch man.

Montana 4-0 in Super Bowls with 0 picks..

I believe Montana beat Elway pretty good in one of those.

21 Mar 2012 11:03 PM
mz

You guys call your American  stuff "beer"?

Just gimme a nice Sancerre any time.

21 Mar 2012 11:11 PM
mz

Oh yeah:  how come my boy Prospective is getting no respect in these blogs?

And I really hope that they do stick Exothermic  in SOMETHING graded, just to try and get him into the mix.

Finally, Naajar .. I like him with some front end pace, even though I can't spell his name.

21 Mar 2012 11:15 PM
Bob from Boston

I'm glad you all heeded my warning.  Now that we're back on topic:  Sierra Nevada Pal Ale.

www.sierranevada.com/.../paleale.html

Ted from LA is a Guinness man.

I find Wrote to be an interesting horse.  I just wish I knew something about him other than he has a boatload of graded stakes earnings.  Does anyone know the metric equivalent for a boatload?

21 Mar 2012 11:18 PM
Paula Higgins

1. Joe Montana (you are right for now Draynay)

2. Peyton Manning (1 and 2 spots may change as Manning continues to play)

3. Johnny Unitas

4. John Elway

5. Tom Brady  (you are right Jason he is "a pretty boy" and eveything that implies, I can't stand him or his wife who dissed his team after their loss in the Superbowl)

6. Otto Graham

7. Sammy Baugh

8. Dan Marino

9. Brett Favre

10.Steve Young

O.k. my favorite beer is Chinese-Yingling.

Jason, I do miss Mike Relva. Stop it.

Back to horse racing. This is my win list:

Creative Cause

Alpha

Union Rags

Gemologist

Secret Circle

Dullahan

21 Mar 2012 11:44 PM
josh

A pint of Guinness stout.

Or, Simpler Times lager, can get at trader joes, haven't seen it anywhere else though.

22 Mar 2012 12:12 AM
Footlick

Guinness, Bombardier, Old Speckled Hen, Alhambra Negra and Mahou Negra.  Jason's favorite,Tetley's, is nice, too.  

22 Mar 2012 12:38 AM
Mike Monarchos

I think Joe Montana is #1. He didn't have the arm of Elway, and wasn't as mobile, but he got the job done. Hard to beat his Super Bowl record. Elway was a better athlete, with a cannon for an arm. Montana was more accurate. Manning is a great Qb too, but I'd rank him #3. I don't know how much longer he'll play though with the neck problems. I'd rank Marino #4. He had that quick release, all those yards and TD's. My #5 is Steve Young. He was a better runner than Elway, and a very good passer. They listed him as 6' 2" tall.  He wasn't. I asked Montana once about Young being 6'2" and he said, "No. I look down on his balding head." lol!

22 Mar 2012 12:45 AM
Mary Zinke

Mr.Shandler, I'd venture to guess that the one you miss has been busy cutting out a pattern for the suit he wants to make out of my skin.

22 Mar 2012 1:51 AM
Matthew W

The Santa Anita Derby looks like this (to me!): The "little bit" of I'll Have Another, (thrown in!), will crush them all, he'll draw out at the head of the stretch, just like he did in the Lewis, Creative Cause will take second, this year's SA Derby looks like a three horse throw down, like Dinard/Best Pal/ Sea Cadet in 1991---three tough/good foes! When you take into consideration there are many other good three year olds, headed by Hansen and Union Rags--who will be running in other prep races--you have the makings of a bumper crop! I don't think Game On Dude will be second in this year's Classic--after running in probably the weakest Classic of them all last year, he will face off with (likely) several from this crop--I have  future book Ky Derby money on Empire Way, Gemologist and I'll Have Another--I predict I'll Have Another wins the Santa Anita Derby--big--and goes on to win the Kentucky Derby, over the likes of Hansen, Creative Cause and Union Rags--truly a strong Derby!

22 Mar 2012 1:54 AM
Matthew W

Rogue Red---small brewery out of (I believe) Newport, Oregon--spendy stuff, that's hard to find---I like to drink it with the track's money--- beer always seems to taste better when my handicapping skills afford me the pleasure! Let's just say that after this year's Kentucky Derby: "I'll Have Another!"...

22 Mar 2012 1:59 AM
Matthew W

Highly doubtfull Manning will get another ring! He missed a YEAR--he might pack it in early, like Lava Man did when they thought he still had it--the Otto Graham pick was genius--he won several NFL Championships! Warren Moon was underrated--he did so much in the run and shoot and got hit--hard--every down! Put a guy in your face, or a hit every time on a qb--and it will change every qb--they are all human--give me Montana's instincts, Moon's toughness--and Kurt Warner's arm--that's right, the grocery bagger--he had the sweetest stroke in the game, bar none! Of corse, if Drew Breese were 6'5", it would be a no-brainer!

22 Mar 2012 2:10 AM
Carlos in Cali

Newcastle Fathers Ale w/a Glennlevit chaser thank you very much.

22 Mar 2012 2:56 AM
RiverCitySmitty

There seems to be a lot of love out there for lightly raced horses who may not even make it to the gate on Derby Day due to, well, being lightly raced.  Bodemeister, Castaway and Gemologist come to mind, but there are several others that'll be on the outside looking in regarding graded earnings.  The 3 I noted all need to win their next race in order to punch a ticket to CD with Castaway having the best chance although I don't care for him.  Lots of money on the line yet and with upsets a good possibility it seems a few unheard of horses will leapfrog the popular ones in graded money.  Najjaar in the Ark Derby and Street Life in the Wood both have decent chances of clouding up the picture and causing some trainers to scramble late for the needed bucks.  Whoever wins the Spiral this Saturday will jump all the way to #10 in graded earnings so there's going to be a lot of shuffling on the horizon.

22 Mar 2012 4:24 AM
steve from st louis

Dray, you may have been born in Ohio but you live on another planet. The 2012 Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees are Jack Butler, Dermontti Dawson, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin and Willie Roaf. If you can find Dan Reeves in that class let me know and I'll apologize for being wrong. Otherwise, you're still a pompous fool. Maybe try your luck at the pick one at Cal-Expo.

22 Mar 2012 7:20 AM
Trebloc

I have two favorite beers:  

1) a "cold" beer

2) a "free" beer

Actually, I love Anchor Steam in a frosted mug!  Back to the races!

22 Mar 2012 8:45 AM
Weekend

Yuengling!!   I love all kinds of beer, but Yuengling is my choice.

22 Mar 2012 8:52 AM
Jason Shandler

Some good beer choices on here. You guys may not know horse racing, but you know your hops!

I like Boddington as well. Kronenbourg 1664, Fullers ESB, not either.

22 Mar 2012 8:56 AM
Jason Shandler

I think Dray means that Dan Reeves will be inducted into the Division III HOF with him, side-by-side. He dreamed that the other night, the same night he dreamed he learned how to handicap.

22 Mar 2012 8:59 AM
Don from PA/DE

JS: Nice write up and well grounded thoughts,but the real thrill of horse racing to me, especially being a librarian,a knowlege-based information hound, just love the scent to attempting to assess and pick a winner in a race, even the KD future...I have several special picks, but the one I am most "high" on is"Gemologist" this guy has done nothing wrong and if he stays healthy and makes it to KD undeafeated, no ceiling to his talent, time will tell, in the meantime I keep on watchin the works and his previous races...smart, strong, fast, endurance and so admirable/honorable...deserves favour! Time will tell....Don

22 Mar 2012 9:05 AM
steve from st louis

Jason: Division III Hall of Fame? Fuh-nee. Let's just put it another way--if there was a human condition book at the track, Draynay would still be eligible for "Non-winners of a ham sandwich since October 22, 2010."

22 Mar 2012 9:27 AM
Jason Shandler

It was just as much of a shot at Reeves, who doesnt deserve to within 1,000 mils of Canton. We know Dray is a legend, in his own mind.

22 Mar 2012 9:38 AM
steve from st louis

There's a funny story about the guy who was drafted and replaced Dan Reeves as the Cowboys FB back in the day. Old timers will remember Robert Newhouse, no. 44, who blocked for Roger Staubach and Tony Dorsett in the mid-1970s. George Allen, then the coach of the Redskins, discovered while studying film that every time a pass play was called by the Cowboys, Newhouse would leave his chin strap unbuckled; whenever a run was called, he'd buckle it up. This went on for a couple of years before someone traded from the Redskins leaked the knowledge to the Cowboys. That's one reason why George Allen was inducted into the Hall of Fame; Dan Reeves, not so much.

22 Mar 2012 10:00 AM
2:24

Best all time quarterbacks:

1) Elway

2) Montana

3) Brady

4) Manning

5) Unitas

I think Peyton Manning is one of the all-time greats.  I hope he wins a Super Bowl in Denver.  Can't put him any higher though when he is not even the most clutch quarterback in his family.

Beer:

Best American Beer:  Coors Banquet Beer

Best Foreign Beer: Sapporo.

22 Mar 2012 10:04 AM
Age of Reason

Hadn't really paid any attention to Cigar Street until I saw this article, now I'm obsessed! Watched his 14-length win replay on drf (sorry bloodhorse, couldn't find it on this site)and was impressed!It was a Claiborne horse he put away on the far turn, and the rest of the field appeared to be well-matched, all massed together at the top of the stretch.

Just for comparison, does anyone remember what beyer Curlin got when he broke his maiden? Cigar Street is attempting to take a Curlin-like route to the Derby, so a compare/contrast would be very interesting...

22 Mar 2012 10:10 AM
steve from st louis

Age of Reason: Feb. 3, 2007 at GP, Curlin earned a 102 Beyer in his 12 3/4 length win under Bejarano. His 98 Beyer in the Derby that year was the lowest of his career; Preakness win at 111, Breeders Cup win  that year at 119.

22 Mar 2012 10:22 AM
Karen in Texas

Paula H.----Hey, glad to see someone brought up Slingin' Sammy Baugh!

22 Mar 2012 10:44 AM
Draynay

Dan Reeves as a player and coach has been in more Superbowls than ANYONE else.  The man has 5 rings.

You question he is a Hall of Famer ?  Elway did't win a thing until 16 years into his career when he had Hall of Fame receivers Rod Smith and Shannon Sharpe and HOF running back Terrel Davis who had back to back years as good as any running back in history.  That is what it took to get Elway a Superbowl.  And Manning with 1 Superbowl win and a average playoff record doesn't deserve to be mentioned with Joe Montana.  

22 Mar 2012 11:15 AM
Draynay

Numbers don't matter ask Warren Moon ... Championships matter.

22 Mar 2012 11:16 AM
Footlick

Terrible by Unibroue and Delerium Tremens also

22 Mar 2012 11:45 AM
Pedigree Ann

I don't know from statistics (which is ironic, since I am mathematical statistician - no numbers, just theory), but Montana and Favre are among the few QBs that I have seen who could take a game by the scruff of the neck and school it, i.e. engineer late, multiple scoring drives to come from behind to win, on a consistent basis.

Recent QBs play more regular season games than the older guys, so have higher totals in everything. The Dolpins' 16-0 season included all post-season games.  

When I was a kid, I lived in Minnesota and was a fan of the Scrambler, Fran Tarkenton. His initial coach was Norm van Brocklin, an old-style stand-and-throw QB, who never appreciated or used Sir Francis well. Roger 'the Dodger' Staubach was a field general (well, admiral - USNA grad) of rare merit. Kenny 'the Snake' Stabler had some of the Montana/Favre fire.

But my favorite QB has to have been George Blanda. Not because of his early years with the Bears and Oilers, but because of his late-career (over 40) comeback with the Raiders; there were some games where he scored all the points, as second string QB and and first string kicker. Loved to see the grizzled old vet showing the kids how the game is played.

22 Mar 2012 11:48 AM
Sylvester

Don't worry Jason, Relva will be here after the KY derby proclaiming he picked the winner.  I would rank Peyton as one of the all time greats but at this point in time, if I was a team owner and could choose between Peyton and Eli, I would pick Eli.  Simply because I'm not convinced Peyton will be the same as he was before the injury. Oh yeah, Amstel Lite is heads above all other beers.

22 Mar 2012 12:24 PM
steve from st louis

Dray, your psychopathological melgomania is fascinating; you saying something doesn't make it true, usually the opposite. Dan Reeves isn't in the 2012 Hall of Fame class contrary to your vision. Make a doctors appointment. Thank's for playing.

22 Mar 2012 12:36 PM
josh

ohhh Jason, I forgot about 1664, I will need to pick up a six pack of that soon!

Another beer that I would like to mention is Hangar 24's Alt Bier Ale, locally brewed out where I am from in California.

I'll take any hefeweizen beer any day of the week.

Blue moon is good too.

22 Mar 2012 12:42 PM
steve from st louis

Dray, would you please stop posting lies? I have to get some work done today.

The man with the most Super Bowl rings is Neal Dahlen with seven-- 5 with San Francisco as a player and coach and two with Denver as  GM. Conditioning coach Mike Woicik has six, three with Dallas and three with New England. The Steelers have five employees with six rings, including Mean Joe Greene who has four as a player and two as a personnel director. Owner Dan Rooney has six as an executive. Charles Haley and Bill Belichick each have five as does Giant LB Pepper Johnson, two as a player and three as a coach as does Romero Crennel (5) and Ray Rhodes. Dozens of players have four.

Your boy Dan Reeves has TWO Super Bowl rings; one as a player in Super Bowl VI and the other as offensive coordinator for the Cowboys in Super Bowl XII. He LOST ALL FOUR Super Bowls as a head coach.

Don't let the facts get in the way and you'll maintain your place in this blog as the biggest fool on this side of the Atlantic.

22 Mar 2012 12:55 PM
Johnny

DRAYNOT again you are wrong..

A player named Neal Dahlen has 7 rings.Dan Reeves has 2 Super Bowl rings!!!

Carlos in Cali im gonna have to try that..

Since I am more of a college football fan than pro I will give you all a 8-1 shot to win the Champ next year..

Look for USC to end the SEC dominance of Championships.

Best QB in college football..

22 Mar 2012 1:17 PM
Draynay

The Sunland has plenty of speed in it and Daddy Nose Best should get a perfect trip.  Daddy has plenty of experience at 122 lbs. and has a win at 1 1/8th.  Speed will die in the last 100 yards and Daddy should be picking them off to the wire.  Daddy Nose Best wins.

22 Mar 2012 1:30 PM
Jason Shandler

lol...as bad as his racing picks have been over the years, I think you guys have proven Dray knows even less aboout football.

22 Mar 2012 1:33 PM
draynot

Warsteiner brewed in Germany. Visited the brewery and by the time we were done drinking I was as dumb as draynay on a sober day.

Peyton Manning has played in an era where QB's were protected like babies just out of the womb. If he had played in the 60's or 70's his career would have been over before it got started. I just can't rank him as the greatest when he's had a bye on much of the contact throughout his career that others had to endure. Heck they even named a rule after him that further protects QB's unless you were Brett Favre playing the Saints.

22 Mar 2012 1:56 PM
Age of Reason

Draynay knows less about football than horse racing? Is that humanly possible? As it is, he's practically in negative territory...

22 Mar 2012 2:08 PM
tcc

Jason:

Hansen might run in the Bluegrass instead of the Wood? Might know more about next week.

22 Mar 2012 2:16 PM
Bill Two

BQUI {Best Quarterback Under the Influence} had to be Bobby Layne. Talk to guys from that era and they'll tell you he could play better inebriated than most of his peers playing sober.  

22 Mar 2012 2:18 PM
Carlos in Cali

Isn't He Clever should carve out some nice splits with Castaway sitting 3L behind him going into the far turn. 1st-Castaway 2nd-IHC 3rd-Stirred Up 4th-Ender K/DNB

Speed is King in the Bullring.

22 Mar 2012 2:26 PM
Draynay

Unlike all of you I was a starting Quarterback in High School and College.  Enough said.  No Quarterback can match Montana's Superbowl wins and stats.  None.

22 Mar 2012 2:42 PM
Bob from Boston

Dray,

Since we've been friends for years now, I am going to offer a suggestion.  End every post by typing, "Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket."  

22 Mar 2012 3:28 PM
Carlos in Cali

Johnny,

My mistake! I meant to say Newcastle Founders' Ale not "fathers". Light,hoppy flavor-sweet rather than bitter and smooth as a baby's bottom.Also try their Fivefathers Spring Ale,goes well with Seafood especially Shrimp Ceviche/Cocktail. Their Winter IPA was pretty damn tasty too.

For a regional type of beer: Sierra Nevada's Ruthless IPA is a must for all you IPA connoisseurs out there.

BTW: SoCal has suddenly become a hotbed for Micro-breweries and specialty Pubs/Taverns. Something I'm sure Jason & the Lush-Gang will take advantage of during this year's BC Week.

22 Mar 2012 3:46 PM
Carlos in Cali

Hansen going to the Bluegrass makes sense in many ways.Alpha's handlers have their heads on a swivel,it's not a good sign but the Wood Memorial is the best spot for him anyway-in his backyard.

22 Mar 2012 3:54 PM
josh

Sunland:

Castaway

Isn't he clever

Stirred Up

Spiral:

Went The Day Well

Heavy Breathing

Ill Conceived

22 Mar 2012 3:59 PM
Monarchos Matt

Come on boys! Some pretty weak, wimpy beer suggestions going out here (did someone honestly say Blue Moon?) Only Footlick (Unibroue and Delerium Tremens) offered up something respectable, outside of that I'm hearing a lot of love for some watered down lagers and English Cream Ales.

American microbrewed IPA is where it's at, hands down. Try some Bell's Two Hearted Ale or Victory Hop Devil, or if you feel like really stepping it up, throw back a couple of Three Floyds Dreadnaughts or Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPAs. Anything under 5.5% abv isn't worth drinking.

Moving on, as a lifelong Colts fan, I'm biased towards Manning, even now as I suffer through the heartache of having to see him in another uniform. I don't think most people truly understand what he did for that city and that franchise. I can see many Colts fans jumping ship, in fact. He was a rare example of an athlete than transcended even his own team.

Horses? I think Union Rags and Creative Cause stand above the rest for now, and my heart favors Gemologist and Alpha based on their pedigrees. But let's see how these preps play out. What an exciting time of year!

22 Mar 2012 3:59 PM
Bob from Boston

Dray was a starting quarterback in college... at... Oklahoma.  Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket.

If true, it must have been before the head protection rules.  Did you wear a helmet?

22 Mar 2012 4:00 PM
steve from st louis

Dray, you should have listened to your mom and worn that helmet in high school and college. You've obviously been severely concussed. A protective cup obviously was optional.

Bill Two: It depends under the influence of what? Layne may have been very good on the sauce, but I'd put him up against Don Meredith (did you see Semi-Tough?)on painkillers or Kenny Stabler on that white powder. All three played high as a kite with pretty good results.

22 Mar 2012 4:01 PM
It aint easy being good!

Cam Newton is the best QB now and will be in the future smashed every record possible even your beloved peyton manning. CAM is a beast just like street life is in horse racing......BEAST!!!!!

22 Mar 2012 4:02 PM
Bob from Boston

Off Topic:  Do any of you drink wine?  Cain Five is the best.  I drank so much of it the first time I tried it that I still felt a bit draynay the next morning.

22 Mar 2012 4:04 PM
Householder

And Draynay Montana played on the real grass not that fake stuff.

The longer Creative Cause goes the better.  Don't particularly want him to win the Santa Anita Derby just hit the board.

22 Mar 2012 4:05 PM
steve from st louis

Jason, why doesn't Kiaran just find a nice optional claiming race for Alpha? He was my future book pick at 20-1 but I might as well tear my tickets up now. Is it too late to do "Draynay surgery" and run him/her in the Oaks?

22 Mar 2012 4:08 PM
Weekend

Wow, Alpha's connections need to make up their damn mind. Just lost a ton of credibility in my book. You don't bet on scared money. This reminds me of a recent horse that ducked and dodged competition... I hope Gemologist whoops him now!

22 Mar 2012 4:14 PM
steve from st louis

Dray, I was the eighth-place individual finisher in the 1969 Missouri High School  Golf Tournament  behind four-time Missouri Amateur winner Tom Watson. Does that mean I know more golf than anyone who might frequent Jason's blog? Hardly. It means nothing, just like your football career and your opinion.

22 Mar 2012 4:19 PM
Betty S

How about Roger Staubach and those wonderful sideline passes to stop the clock when there was hardly any time?

And no matter where he runs, I love HANSEN

22 Mar 2012 6:13 PM
predict

All this talk about who the greatest QB was- ho-hum

All I know is that Peyton Manning has to have the biggest head of any QB to ever play the game. It's no wonder he has had neck problems, having carried that pumpkin around his whole life.

22 Mar 2012 6:25 PM
El Kabong

Dray,

And I'm sure you have a T-shirt for co-ed, flag intramural participation to prove it! So, everyone, step back, please.

22 Mar 2012 6:26 PM
Householder

Did anyone actually have Animal Kingdom in March last year?  How about Mine that Bird or Giacomo after the Santa Anita Derby?

The preps mean next to nothing other than the eventual winner will have ran in one.  

22 Mar 2012 7:11 PM
Pedigree Ann

Smitty - Bodemeister has had three lifetime races, all of them this year. Gemologist ran three times last year and won all three, including the Kentucky Jockey Club S at CD. He was given the winter off to grow up and returned with another win. There is a vast difference between these two horses' campaigns when it comes to the Kentucky Derby.

22 Mar 2012 8:08 PM
skyfire

Here in Denver the feeling is a high that must be comparable to celebrating  the Triple Crown winner!! Unbelievable -- Peyton is so poised and classy -- go to Broncos website videos, check out his interviews -- very sharp, humble guy in a town that appreciates his football knowledge and ability.

Who is running the Hansen ship?  I like Gemoligist and Union Rags.

22 Mar 2012 8:08 PM
Householder

Bodemeister is a nice Baffert story but come on.  Do you honestly think he is another Point Given?  If he, like Point Given, runs a faster Belmont than Seattle Slew or Affirmed, I'll switch to handicapping the pig races at the county fair.  

22 Mar 2012 8:18 PM
Bob from Boston

Housebuster, you don't handicap pig races?  And you call yourself a gambler?  I am going to break my own rule and talk about football.  I have two points to make about Manning.  One, he is funny as can be (did any of you see his SNL routines?).  Two, I agree with the big head comment.  I once hit a 9 iron off the bottom of his forehead and could not reach the back of his head.

22 Mar 2012 8:52 PM
Paula Higgins

My nephew says Rogue Dead Guy Ale is good. My husband used to drink something called Haffenreffer Private Stock.

Thanks Karen in Texas! Someone should have mentioned Sammy Baugh. He is a blast from the past, but one of the top 10 QB's of all time. You can't leave him off any list of QB's.

Bob from Boston, I love Petite Sirah's. They are my favorite wine. Try Sculpterra or Langtry. Cost more than average but good ones.

22 Mar 2012 8:54 PM
Racingfan

Jason, I am waiting, along with many others I'm sure, for your article criticizing Havre De Grace's connections for their cowardice in starting off her year in an UNGRADED race and evidently in the future now will be ducking weight.  Be sure to criticize not just those making the decisions but especially the ACTUAL horse too! We are waiting.....

22 Mar 2012 9:00 PM
El Kabong

Bob from Boston,

I think Dray suffers from "Uncle Rico" Syndrome. If he had just been put in, I'm sure he couldah won state. I just hope he shares the VHS tapes of him throwing the ball on you tube! I'd believe it then for sure.

22 Mar 2012 9:58 PM
Jason Shandler

Paula: Ive had Rogue Dead Guy. Its very good. Your nephew knows his beer.

Peyton is the man. Anyone who says otherwise is foolish.

Racingfan: Havre de Grace will have traveled all over the country by the time the year is out: Fair Grounds, Oaklawn, NY, Kentucky, and California. The weight thing is all posturing. They will be in the Apple Blossom, trust me. The SOY had to carry all that weight because she wouldnt leave the state. She had no choice. HDG will face Awesome Maria and Awesome Feather, two of the best horses in the country, in May, which will be the second of 5 G1s she runs in this year. She will be good and tested by November, probably facing males as a BC prep like she did last year. And, give credit to Porter for bringing back a reigning Horse of the Year, not retiring her after a BC defeat.

There is your blog.

She lost. Get over it.

22 Mar 2012 10:13 PM
El Kabong

A Belgian Beer, Piraat, is the champagne of all Ales. A must try. Have it with a plate of mussels. You will thank me my thirsty friends.

22 Mar 2012 10:19 PM
Age of Reason

Oh great, just as soon as I start following Cigar Street as a contender, Bloodhorse publishes their list of probable starters in the Louisiana Derby...and Cigar Street isn't mentioned. Of course. Any word on what he's aiming for now, Jason? Or was he just not considered one of the top contenders for that article? Or does he have Alpha-itis and is scared to compete against any blacktype?

22 Mar 2012 10:22 PM
Jason Shandler

Age of Reason: I think the trainer said he was going to wait until Cigar Street worked this weekend before he decides.

22 Mar 2012 10:24 PM
Johnny

DRAYNAT = Al Bundi

Now go sell some shoes

22 Mar 2012 10:49 PM
josh

Householder,

Good question, I'd would also like to know what people's previous derby picks were.

Here is how my top derby picks fared the last 10 years

2011 - Animal Kingdom - yes I did pick him thank you very much.

2010 - Super Saver

2009 - Pioneer of the Nile - 2nd

2008 - Big Brown - Who didn't have him?

2007 - Street Sense

2006 - Point Determined - 9th

2005 - Afleet Alex - 3rd

2004 - Imperialism - 3rd

2003 - Atswhatimtalknbout - 4th

2002 - Medaglia D'Oro - 4th

2001 - Point Given - 5th

As you can see, in the beginning it took me awhile to get the hang of things. Another thing I noticed is that I'm partial to horses from socal, particularly baffert's barn. If lookin at lucky hadn't draw the rail I would have picked him.

My earnings where crap until I hit the 2007 derby tri!

In 2010 I had a WPS wager on Super Saver that was not a bad payout.

In 2011 I had the Animal Kingdom and Nehro exacta.

Other than those, I never hit the motherload in the derby, but my grandfather had Giacomo, but he is more of an exotics player, he had giacomo and afleet alex! almost paid big if it wasn't for closing argument. My uncle put a lot of money on Barbaro in 2006 won a couple thousand there. The only guy I have ever heard of it hitting big in the derby is the guy that had 100,000 dollars on tv and put it on super saver. I think he won 900,000k or something like that.

22 Mar 2012 10:50 PM
Draynay

Starting QB at Lenoir Rhyne University 1982 and Freshman of the year !  Google it !  I saw pictures of Union Rags in the paddock and all I can say is... Wow. There is no way anyone is going to beat this horse I don't care what post he gets.  You're not going to beat Union.

22 Mar 2012 10:53 PM
JayJay

Someone please tell Kiaran that Hansen and Union Rags are both running in the Kentucky Derby, this way he knows ahead of time and he can chose another race to run Alpha in on May 5th.  I'm pretty sure Ramon Dominguez will be riding another horse in KY Derby.

I don't know why Hansen is now going to the Bluegrass, that was totally unexpected.  The only good thing is that he won't have to worry about the curse of the Wood Memorial but I still would've liked to see him race Gemologist.

22 Mar 2012 10:55 PM
Weekend

Bob From Beantown. You want a nice wine, try "THE PRISONER"

How bout those U of L Cardinals!!!!

They have a nitrogen infused IPA here that rings the bell at over 7% alcohol. Drink a few of those at Cumberland Brew, you are feeling goooood. I am feeling the effects of way too much bourbon right now after the game last night.

23 Mar 2012 9:10 AM
RiverCitySmitty

Ped. Ann:  I didn't mean to disparage Gemologist who is a very good horse.  What I was trying to get across was that none of the three I mentioned currently have enough graded earnings to ensure a spot in the derby.  Bodemeister looked worn out in his last and I actually still prefer Liaison as Baffert's best shot.  I think Baffert has said he thinks Liaison may not like SA's surface so perhaps he might pop up in the Wood.  He already has enough $$ so he doesn't really need a win just a good effort.  The others all need a victory to get in and a troubled trip could keep any or all of them home. Remember Eddington and Rock Hard Ten from a few years back?  Both were highly touted Ky Dby prospects, but finished 3rd in their final preps and ended up with not enough money.  (Rock Hard Ten was DQ'd from 2nd and Eddington missed 2nd by a nose)

As far as beer goes, I like Abita Turbo Dog.  

23 Mar 2012 9:16 AM
Jason Shandler

Steve: To be fair to Kiaran, he doesnt make the final decisions. You have to understand who he is working for.

Also, even with the flip-flopping on Alpha, in the grand scheme of things it really isnt that big of a deal. In fact, the Wood is the best spot anyway. The timing is better and it's a better prep. If the horse is good enough, none of the indecision will matter.

The Hansen situation is a different matter. I think they made the wrong choice.

23 Mar 2012 10:15 AM
Aaron McC

Monarchos Matt - Hyping IPAs and beers over 5.5% is like saying the best horses in the world only run on dirt in Louisiana.  Try Weihenstephaner hefeweizen (5.4 ABV) probaly the best hefeweizen - when fresh - in the world. Try most british ales (Riggwelter from Black Sheep which just climbs over 5.5) which rely on subtle minerality - not heavy hops and alcohol - for effect. Don't get me wrong, I love a big American IPA  (and by the way Ruthless is a Rye IPA, technically, Carlos and Founders Reds Rye, when fresh, is the best on the market) though I prefer those with a little Brettanomyces or Belgian yeast like Stone's Cali-belgique).  And Im poor enough to appreciate the alcohol level of most recent American Beers. Best beer Ive had in the last year: Rodenbach Grand Cru - a flemish sour (topping out at 6% ABV, though the original is pretty good at 5%). Had it after drinking a $90.00 Cab from Prichard Hill with a wine salesman buddy and it blew him away.  

But bejeezus, American IPAs are more overhyped than Favorite Trick.

23 Mar 2012 10:15 AM
Jason Shandler

Aaron McC knows his beer! I'm not a big fan of IPAs myself, and I certainly dont think a beer is better just because it has a higher alcohol content. I prefer smoother, easier drinking beers, that's why I like the English ales, and stouts like Guinness. Don't get me wrong, I would rather drink water than a Bud Light or Miller Light, but a beer with a lot of hoppiness isnt my preference.

23 Mar 2012 10:24 AM
Householder

My girlfriend who is a big Police/Sting fan pulled two dollars in change (all quarters) and let is all ride on Giacomo.  She was the only one yelling at the OTB.

23 Mar 2012 11:54 AM
Householder

Skyfire wait until Peyton realizes that he has no one to throw the ball to because they all went to San Francisco!

23 Mar 2012 11:57 AM
Footlick

It seems to me that a beer with a higher alcohol content  ends up having certain ingredients in it that makes it a more complex, mature tasting beer.  I suppose that is why many people like a higher alcohol content beer.  I like beer that has body, that I can feel the heavyness in my mouth, that has a richness to the taste.  That is why I gravitate toward the foreign brews and away from the American brews.  If somebody can steer me to some American brews that can really compare, I'm more than willing to try them.  So far I haven't found them, and I have tried many that have been mentioned.

As far as Alpha is concerned, Jason is right.  Kieran does not call the shots.  So don't blame him for the indecision.  And I agree that wherever he finishes, the Wood was the right choice for his last prep.

23 Mar 2012 12:00 PM
Aaron McC

Footlick - Try any American Imperial Stout (BORIS the destroyer from Hoppin Frog is good and distributed in my area, but any will do: theyre pretty much all the same).  You'll get "heaviness" and some complexity.  The knock against them is that their very complexity is easy to do and hides flaws (just dump a lot of malt and hops in a pot).  Its like a lot of contemporary thoroughbreds top class thoroghbreds: fast and powerful but so many of them fall apart over longer distances and rigorous schedules (If you're really open minded and into the big beers, try New Holland's Smoked Rye Doppelboch, Charkoota.  Funky.)  I too like a lot of European beers, though theyre not all heavy.  But, its much much harder to brew low alcohol beers with complexity.  Look for a local Kolsch (eg, New Holland Full Circle - floral, yeasty) or Pilsner (eg Victory Prima Pils - floral and hoppy).  Beautifully made, complex, full, but not heavy, these are beers that can help us stand up to the rigors of the Triple Crown, that can help us go the distance without fading,  passing out, or stopping to piss over the infield rail, in the stretch.  

Sorry for going on - but you guys have touched on my other passion.  

23 Mar 2012 1:07 PM
Bob from Boston

My girlfriend who is a big Police/Sting fan pulled two dollars in change (all quarters) and let is all ride on Giacomo.  She was the only one yelling at the OTB.

Householder 23 Mar 2012 11:54 AM

What did your wife think of that?

23 Mar 2012 1:30 PM
Householder

Bob from Boston.  My wife was fine with it.  She does not allow my girlfriend and I to yell inside the house.

I think Denver should pick up Terrel Owens.  

23 Mar 2012 2:22 PM
Trebloc

Last three Wood winners never made it to the KY Derby.  Smart move by Hanson's connections.  

23 Mar 2012 2:34 PM
Footlick

Aaron McC- thanks for the info.  I have tried many American Imperial Stouts and you are right about masking the faults, but I always find eventually the aftertaste builds up and attacks.  I have written down your other selections and will try them out.

23 Mar 2012 2:46 PM
draynot

Starting QB at Lenoir Rhyne University 1982 and Freshman of the year !

Draynay 22 Mar 2012 10:53

Too bad it was an all girls school.

23 Mar 2012 3:02 PM
mr pibb

LMAO at draynay trying to relive his "glory days" as a backup to the backup of the backup QB on a 1-10 D2 football team that hasn't made the playoffs since 1962. My son coaches D2 football and as he puts it at that low level you just have to fill the roster spots with anything that walks through the door. "Backups like that we call turds, everybody has them but they all stink".

23 Mar 2012 3:26 PM
Carlos in Cali

I know I mentioned I'll be tossing any horse making their final prep on turf/synthetic,but with Hansen I'm ok with it. He really doesn't need to travel back to NY if he's already training in KY and we already know he likes the CD strip. Fast or off,he runs on any and all types of surfaces. The 3-weeks in between the Bluegrass & Ky Derby shouldn't be a concern,let's not forget Hansen ran lights-out only 2-weeks after breaking his maiden going from 5 1/2f to 1 1/16.

23 Mar 2012 3:30 PM
Householder

If any prep is "cursed" it is the Wood.

23 Mar 2012 4:05 PM
Draynay

Sorry to burst your bubble Mr. Pibb but I was the starting QB in High School and in College.  You can try hating but let me suggest you talk to your shrink about not getting asked to the prom.  I went to 3 my Senior year.

24 Mar 2012 10:34 AM
El Kabong

Carlos in Cali,

While you're handing out synthetic prep hall passes, I'd write one up for Dullahan. Not sure why you would use that as a criteria for elimination with Street Sense and Animal Kingdom both proving that it is not such a bad plan. Hard Spun ran on synthetic prior to Derby and ran second to Street Sense. Mine That Bird was a predominately a synthetic runner, 6 of 8 starts before the Derby and Pioneer of the Nile who finished behind him was also a synthetic strip runner. The advantage that I have been told is that the synthetic surface is easier on the horses physically so it takes less out of them. They apparently don't get as sore, they recover quicker and yet they will gleam all of the cardiovascular benefits. But, I'm curious why you would toss horses for this reason?

24 Mar 2012 12:54 PM
Carlos in Cali

El Kabong,

Fair point.But,with the exception of Animal Kingdom and Mine That Bird,the other horses you mentioned were on most people's radar heading into the Derby.My reasoning behind it is that I don't see a serious Derby contender who's been running on synthetics or one that will switch to synthetics for their final prep,like SS did. Though I admit Dullahan is interesting enough for me to keep an eye on,I would've preferred seeing him race on dirt prior to the Derby. I know he ran 4th @ CD in last yr's BCJ,but since he isn't in the top tier of most people's short-list,I'll wait and see how he runs in the BG.Strictly my opinion though..

I Hope that makes some kind of sense to you.

24 Mar 2012 2:07 PM
Carlos in Cali

Let me add: After Hansen's work this morning @ CD,Mike Maker said "the BG is not set in stone". Stay tuned!

24 Mar 2012 2:11 PM
CHIEF PICAWINNA

Carlos in Cali Dr Hansen was quoted in an article that he was running his final prep in Kentucky because more of his family and friends could be there.I believe him %100, and I doubt he will waver from the race as opposed to Alpha.I assume YOU already know this,but I am posting it for those that dont know.

24 Mar 2012 3:20 PM
Taxman

Bob in Boston - thanks for the dizz on Went The Day Well, my bank account thanks you too!

24 Mar 2012 7:21 PM
JayJay

HAHAHAHA at Draynot's last comment!!!  That was classic!

I quote Draynay :

"You can try hating but let me suggest you talk to your shrink about not getting asked to the prom.  I went to 3 my Senior year.

Draynay 24 Mar 2012 10:34 AM"

I wasn't sure but now you have confirmed it.  You do see a shrink.  So three shrinks eh ?  Once for each of your ego ?  one for each blog sites you post losing picks at ?  Why the need for 3 shrinks ??  Oh wait, one for Rachel Alexandra, Quality Road and Uncle Mo...gotcha!  Good luck man, hope Union Rags doesn't add a 4th shrink.

25 Mar 2012 2:48 AM
Mike Monarchos

One of my favorite beers is Moosehead. Which reminds me of a joke. Ya know how ya can tell if a woman likes Moosehead? ..................Punch line is funny, but probably would be banned from this blog! LOL!

26 Mar 2012 12:48 AM
Forbidden Apple

Who cares about a guy who makes $96 million to sit on his butt for half of the game. Basketball is a much more demanding sport.

1)Innis & Gunn- Rum Cask from Scotland

2)Maredsous- Brune from Belgium

3)Dogfish Head- Indian Pale Ale from Delaware

After Alpha wins the Wood, everyone will finally respect him.

Creative Cause will fly past I'll Have Another and Bodemeister.

Union Rags wins the FL Derby in a jog.

Arm Force is a live longshot in the LA Derby.

27 Mar 2012 9:05 AM

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