War Emblem

 By Michele MacDonald

     It is not an exaggeration to say that no Thoroughbred stallion has ever lived a life like 2002 champion and dual classic winner War Emblem.

     From demonstrating he was one of the sharpest runners of the past decade with victories in the Kentucky Derby (gr. I) and Preakness Stakes (gr. I)—and thus good enough for the Shadai Corp. to spend $17 million to acquire him for stud duty—War Emblem has turned into a quixotic puzzle.

     Notoriously shy as a breeder, he has managed to sire only 106 registered foals in eight crops foaled from 2004 to 2011, although more than half of those were sired in the last three years of that period. He also had foals born in 2012, although an official total is not yet available from Japan’s studbook database.

War Emblem
Photo: Courtesy of Shadai Farm

    This year, however, he has reverted back to strange behavior. He opted to cover only three mares—and none of those is in foal, officials at the Shadai Stallion Station related during the recent Japan Racing Horse Association Select Sale on the island of Hokkaido.

     The 2013 foaling season thus will be the third year of War Emblem’s stud career that he will have no sons or daughters born, following the zero foal years of 2007 and 2008.

     For the Shadai Corp., this result is more than financially painful. War Emblem’s managers have done more than can be imagined would be done anywhere else on the globe, including parading mares past him every day of the breeding season to allow him to choose which ones he might deign to accept.

     They have brought in equine experts from around the world, including Dr. Sue McDonnell of the New Bolton Center of the University of Pennsylvania Veterinary School of Medicine, who concluded he was intimidated by other stallions and should be moved to his own barn, surrounded only by mares.

     Thus, for the last several years, War Emblem has lived a kind of stallion dream life. Housed in a small barn in a quiet area of Katsumi Yoshida’s Northern Farm, he has had his pick of literally hundreds of mares over the past several seasons, with more than 300 led past him in 2010 alone.

       He tries to bite and threatens to kick or strike mares he doesn’t like—and sometimes the people who handle him as well.

       So what will Shadai do with War Emblem?

       “We will try again,” said Teruya Yoshida, owner of Shadai Farm and the eldest of the three Yoshida brothers who jointly operate the stallion station and the Shadai Corp.

      While War Emblem is frustratingly difficult in his behavior, his foals are prized. At the JRHA sale, an unweaned filly who is a full sister to War Emblem’s classic Shuka Sho (Jpn-gr. I) winner Black Emblem sold for ¥42 million ($518,519) and a colt from the family of American gr. I winner Healthy Addiction brought ¥29 million ($358,025).

      Fifteen of War Emblem’s daughters from his 2005 crop of 33 foals are now in Japan’s broodmare pool. And the stallion also has two Australian-bred offspring born in 2009, both bred by Arrowfield Group: the filly Exactly You and the colt Revive Emblem, although neither has won to date.

      As far as racing goes, the best may still be ahead of War Emblem in that his largest ever crop, the 43 registered foals of 2010, will begin racing this year as juveniles. That group has the potential to be a stellar bunch since it includes:

•    Sabratha, a filly out of French gr. I winner Lady of Chad;
•    Sugino Esperanza, a filly out of multiple Chilean gr. I winner Lhiz;
•    Sinhadipa, a filly out of 2005 Del Mar Oaks (gr. I) winner Singhalese;
•    Trans Am Star, a colt out of multiple American gr. I winner Star Parade; and
•    Double War, a colt out of American gr. II winner Queue.

   So, the unusual story of War Emblem is far from over.


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Karen in Indiana

Thank you so much for the update on War Emblem. There is a special place in my heart for those horses who are quirky, difficult or peculiar and an appreciation for the people who deal with them tolerantly. Shadai has gone above and beyond in dealing with War Emblem and have my deepest gratitude. I've been worried about him this year because I had read that he was having another difficult year and then couldn't find anymore info. Do they keep trying with him because he has had some outstanding offspring? Do they have breeders insurance on him like they do stallions here? I know he has an unpredictable temperament (thanks to certain ancestors), would there be somewhere here he could retire to if things continue to go badly for him as a stud?

17 Jul 2012 12:36 PM
Criminal Type

I loved this horse when He was racing and have followed his lack of interest in breeding over the past few years. His handlers have certainly tried every trick in the book to encourage him to mate with little success. I was heartbroken when they sent him to Japan, maybe he was also. Maybe he is home sick. People say horses are stupid and have no emotions but I know that's BS. I have horses, and they DO have emotions. Maybe he would have more success if he were brought home. I worry about him given the fate of other unsuccessful studs sent to Japan.

17 Jul 2012 1:10 PM
Denise Schulz

I wish the best for War Emblem. I hope someone keeps tabs on the situation. So he don't end up like Ferdinand. That he disappears only later to find about his end.

17 Jul 2012 1:17 PM

Have they tried pasture breeding?

17 Jul 2012 2:47 PM

Let's hope they do right by this great champion if it turns out his stallion career is over; i.e., let's not have another Ferdinand disgrace.

17 Jul 2012 2:48 PM

Thanks for this very clear update on War Emblem, as well as a good description of what the problem has been. He's obviously worth the effort, and not many studs would be able or willing to keep trying. So kudos to the Yoshidas, and to their staff!! Hope to hear more news every few months... he may be out of sight but he is NOT out of mind.

17 Jul 2012 2:52 PM

This article should be required reading for all the fans of I'll Have Another - especially those who think he'll wind up like Ferdinand!

17 Jul 2012 3:02 PM
Old Old Cat

In the real world stallions that could not produce offspring would see their sire line cease.  In the big dollar (yen) world, man will force or coerce what nature, on its own, cannot accomplish.  So much for the integrity and viability of the breed.

17 Jul 2012 3:20 PM

What a nutcase!  I can easily see how Shadai wanted to duplicate their success with Sunday Silence.  Pretty close resemblance, but far from being the stallion Sunday Silence was.  Looks alone won't do it.

17 Jul 2012 3:23 PM

This reminds me a story (not about horses, but has some relation): Many years ago, my uncle -a famous veterinarian- was handsomely paid by a large local farm to travel to Argentina just to choose and buy the best female pigs for their newly-bought super pig-sire. He brought the most beautiful, sexiest possible suitors, but the super-sire did not take any interest in them. After trying absolutely everything imaginable, my uncle was pouring cold sweat, feeling his job had been a total failure. In desperation and just to discard if the sire liked girls at all, he sent in our creolle, un-pedigreed lady-pigs to him...and the blue-blooded gentleman went absolutely berzek and bred to all of them! Back to the Argentinian supermodels, he wanted no part of them. So from then on, he just bred to our creole girls.

How can this help War Emblem or Shadai Farm? I don't know, but at least they can have a laugh.

17 Jul 2012 3:23 PM
Terry M.

Frankly, I don't think he should be bred at all. He is reluctant to cover mares, his fertility is poor when he does breed them, and his temperament is downright dangerous, both to other horses and his handlers. Those are all qualities that no one should want passed on to future generations of Thoroughbreds. Will Shadai wait until he badly injures or kills a valuable broodmare or a person before they stop using him? There are plenty of other great stallions out there that don't have or pass on these problems. War Emblem should be retired from breeding and gelded.

17 Jul 2012 4:10 PM

Maybe it is not the stud but the people and the environment that he is in. I have heard stories about studs not liking being in certain places or countries. Maybe he needs to be brought to the US and allowed to be a horse with a few mares. Like nature intended.

17 Jul 2012 4:35 PM

How about bringing him back home to the US?  I'm sure one of the farms in KY can find a place for him or perhaps at Old Friends or the Horse Park.  Who wouldn't want to see this great racer in person?  Even from a safe distance?  Maybe all he wants to be is free to run and romp in a pasture somewhere.  He remains my favorite -- turned me into a racing fan.

17 Jul 2012 5:09 PM

Considering that War Emblem has already sired some incredible winners, it appears the Japanese have the patience to wait him out.

And throughbreds are very intelligent and insightful.  If he's afraid of other stallions, he may lack confidence in himself.  After spending so much time with the mares, perhaps he's just playing out the part of a spoiled brat.  A psychic helped explain John Henry's wilfull behavior, and perhaps Shadai Stallion Station could try that facet.  They seem to be trying everything else, and I have to give them credit for still working with him.

I thought Vaduz made a valuable observation...but...War Emblem would lose his value were he to be bred to warmbloods.  (but he might be happier.)

17 Jul 2012 5:28 PM

I guess horses aren't that much difference from men in the "performance" department.  Just like some men, War Emblem may be suffering from impotence brought on by performance anxiety.  Then again maybe War Emblem isn't your typical "wham-bam-thank-ya-ma'am" three mares a day stallion.  Maybe he wants to court the ladies.  Like humans, animals are fickle creatures.

17 Jul 2012 6:58 PM

He still looks like a racehorse!!

17 Jul 2012 7:49 PM
Karen in Texas

Thanks for this very timely article on War Emblem in Japan. I appreciate that the Yoshidas are continuing to work with him and explore so many possible explanations and remedies. As I recall, his personality wasn't a particularly docile one while Baffert had him in training; so, perhaps this ongoing breeding behavior is an extension of his original egocentricity.

17 Jul 2012 8:48 PM

War Emblem will NOT end up like Ferdinand and people should stop fearing for horses that go abroad. There is a Ferdinand clause in most, if not all, contracts for stallions going overseas where if the stud is no longer wanted he's to be brought back to the States. This is also the 21st century; it is really not that hard keeping tabs on many overseas stallions.

War Emblem may be a notoriously difficult breeder but Shadai has not given up on him because he has done well given how many offspring he sires (or doesn't) each spring. He had a recent Group 3 winner (on a sloppy track at 2000m) in Civil War, if some of you think he's not doing well recently. Many of you fear for him but imagine his fate if he had stood stud here. I imagine things would've been a lot worse for him, especially when the economy tanked in 2008.

If anyone wants updates on War Emblem and his offspring, visit a thread dedicated solely to him at the Thoroughbred Champions forum, where we get regular updates from the Japanese members for all stallions, including the likes of Silver Charm, Charismatic, and Empire Maker.

17 Jul 2012 9:09 PM
quiet american


17 Jul 2012 9:46 PM

pasture breeding sounds off the wall compare to how things are done in the modern day breeding shed, but seems to be an option,kind of a back to nature thing.turn him out with HIS mares and let war emblem do his thing at his own pace.

17 Jul 2012 11:11 PM

Foolish Pleasure was known as a difficult dangerous temperamental stud, but towards the end of his stallion career he was moved to a facility in Wyoming where he was allowed to live in a pasture with a small group of mares.

Supposedly he went from tiger to house cat as a result.

So there is a precedent, for those who are suggesting pasture breeding...

18 Jul 2012 12:27 AM
Fuzzy Corgi

We once had a QH stallion at the barn that really couldn't care less about any mare unless she was light gray. One afternoon they were trying to breed him to a chestnut QH mare who was very receptive and he was more interested in the dirt on the ground. On a whim we pulled out one of the lesson horses who was a mostly whitish appaloosa mare. He almost literally got stars in his eyes as soon as he saw this homely mare. Apparently, while we saw an aged, funny moving, conformationaly flawed lesson horse, he saw the equine equivalent of a super model. They put the appy next to the QH to tease him then quickly removed the appy. Success!

18 Jul 2012 12:37 AM
Dr. Bill

As someone who works directly with Shadai Corp I can tell you that pasture breeding has been tried with War Emblem without success.  I can also tell you that Shadai Corp has a retirement farm for their pensioned stallions where they are allowed to live out thier life under very good conditions; he is in a very good place. By the way, War Emblems's offspring do not share his quirky temperament, that is one reason why Shadai Corp continues to work with him as a stallion.

18 Jul 2012 6:33 AM
Sumiko Keay

I read that War Emblem's daughter has 2 foals:  a 2011 colt by Deep Impact and a 2012 colt by Neo Universe.

I was wondering if any of War Emblem's other get have retired to stud and what they've produced.

18 Jul 2012 9:21 AM

Dr. Bill says that pasture breeding has been tried, but to what extent? How long was he left with the mares? How many mares was he given. I agree that he should be given a very large field with a few mares in it and leave him in there for a few months. I understand that, that is uneconomical for breeders, but you got to do what is right by the horse. If so and so can't leave their broodmare in a pasture for a couple months and may not know the exact day she was bred(I have no idea if you can actually register a foal with little info)but it would be worth a try if it hasn't been tried for that long. Yeah horses bite and kick and they are going to get some cuts, scrapes, and bruises, but that is what they do in the wild. Who Knows?

18 Jul 2012 10:31 AM
Karen in Texas

Dr. Bill and Justine----Thanks so much for your enlightened remarks! Several of us (on Steve Haskin's blogs) have attempted to allay the anxiety of the "Ferdinand fearful" to no avail over the past few weeks. As you say, Justine, this is the 21st century and tracking overseas stallions is no longer too difficult--just a computer click and comment box away. I even discovered and linked a database showing various Japanese stallions being pensioned on their respective farms, but apparently few found this to be helpful. It's great to hear first-hand that Shadai is such a good place. Thanks again.

18 Jul 2012 11:19 AM

First off, wow! War Emblem looks great!  Second, I thought of pasture breeding as well, but it seems that's already been tried. Kudos with a capital K to Shadai Corp who have gone above and beyond the call of duty in working with this horse. If there are other horse sports in Japan, then maybe War Emblem could be bred to other breeds as Slew suggested.  I just saw a video of the USA-born stallions over in Japan, and they all look like they could go to the post tomorrow!  Dr. Bill, are stallions regularly exercised where you work(ed)?

18 Jul 2012 11:19 AM
Ivan John

Turn Him out to pasture with a select group of Mares and leave them alone,don't mess with them at all, let him alone! Don't watch him constantly,let him be a natural horse.He will breed if you quit messing with him. IT's a people problem not a horse problem. One of my studs once he has his band together in the spring will not allow another to be introduced. He just runs them out even when they are in full heat.

18 Jul 2012 1:03 PM

The Shadai Corp is very good to War Emblem. He may enjoy more pasture time or riding time and then try to breed.  Maybe he needs a part time job (the riding) before he plays?  What an interesting horse! They must be very fond of him to try to help him so much.  I hope it pays off.

18 Jul 2012 1:44 PM

It was mentioned in the article that mares are turned away if War Emblem tries to bite or kick them. Maybe these are the mares he would really like to breed instead of the more docile ones. Stallions can be muzzled and a good handler would be able to ensure no one is kicked. War Emblem may like his sex on the rough side.

18 Jul 2012 4:35 PM
an ole railbird

as a teenager i was employeed by 1 of our neighbors, who was an old "horse rancher". he ran big herds of mares on lots of land. in a country where land is reffered to in sections, rather than acres.

  he was a survivor of the old breed , who had had their livings& land payments,by raiseing horses & selling them to the goverment for remount horses. after the goverment quit buying horses, these few die hards, kept raiseing horses & trying to sell them on the open market. this rancher was determined to continue breeding TB stallions on the mares that he had bred up for over 20 generations.

  this man went to california & bought the stallion of his choice, off of the race track.

  it was soon discovered that this stallion was a timid breeder. at times would turn up his nose & walk off from a mare in full heat.

 the boss tried a few tricks that he knew. all without sucess.

the stud was turned out in 330 acres (1/2 section), with 6 fillys (4 year old). the pasture was very iosalated from anyother horses.

i was asigned the duty to ride the pasture , once a week, to visual inspection of the horses.

 1st week report. the mares all bunched & happy in 1 side of the pasture. the stallion was in a completely different side, all alone.

2nd week report the same.

 3rd week report was the same. from tracks & sign, i reported that the stud was walking the fence line, constantly circleing the pasture.

4th week. there was a bad truck wreck, almost in front of the gate to the studs pasture.

the trailer in volved in this wreck was a 45 ft straight deck with open top. it had 10 head of ranch geldings, in route to be used in a ranch roundup. as the trailer rolled, it chunked all of the horses out & into a box shaped ravine. after evicting the horses the trailer rolled up on its top (wheels sticking up)& slid part way down into the ravine, blocking the horses exit.   due to the remote area, the wreck was not discovered for several hours. the driver had suffered a heart attack& never recovered from the accident.

 1 of the horse was destroyed as soon as he was found. 3 more were transported to a vet clinic( the closest) 65 miles away.

the remaining 6 head of horses were diognosed as being "skinned up & scared". & were led inside of the gate,of the studs pasture, & released.

dutys didnt allow me to go back to the pasture for 2 more weeks.

 after which i returned with a group of full blown cowboys, whose intentions were to gather the herd & sort of the geldings & leave the mares & the cantankeros stud.

low & behold what did we find?

the stud had all the mares bunched& was making them do as he desired. he not only was driving them, he was performing all of his duties, as a stallion.

  the geldings were in the other side of the pasture, all to them selves.nobody knows what all went on in those 2 weeks.but it made that stud jealous.

  the stud was kept & bred for 4 years. he was always a timid breeder & preferred the wide open spaces.

he was then gelded & put in the saddle horse string. & used as a ranch horse.

 his sons were gelded & trained for ranch work. & were judged as fair to poor quality.

his mares were bred& allowed to foal. after a generation was  tested they  were culled, because of their in ability to produce enough milk to raise a quality colt. the papers were sent in to the jockey club, & the mares were sent to slaughter.

  these were the practices in those days. and the results were the sound & strong breed that were the ancestors of the horses that we race now.

 if the TB breed is GOING TO HELL IN A HAND BASKET, as some of the commentors like to claim it is.

then it is time to practice some of the ways that history teaches us,  were so sucessiful. thank you for allowing me to share this story with you.

i remain " an ole railbird".

18 Jul 2012 5:46 PM

Hooray!! How wonderful it is to have news of War Emblem again!  Thank you, Bloodhorse.com, for this article and beautiful pictures of War Emblem.  I had heard a couple of years ago he had been doing better in the breeding area, then this year that he was being very selective once again in choosing mares and that his breeding had dropped off.  This alarmed me a little.

First, I have to say War Emblem looks fantastic!  He looks almost like he did in his racing days.  I liked him from the very second I first saw him in the Illinois Derby, and I have always been taken with his story.  His story made me protective of him.  It's good to see him looking so good.

Second, I have to say I am relieved (and impressed) that the Shadai Corp., and Mr. Yoshida, have been very patient and kind to War Emblem over the years.  He has posed many challenges to them, and they have handled the situation with great grace.  I am grateful to them for that.

I think War Emblem might be a little homesick, you never know.  He also just may be picky, sort of a "one-woman-at-a-time man", so to speak.  War Emblem is selective, that's all.  There's nothing wrong in that.  In fact, I know some humans that could learn a few life lessons in that area. - LOL.  

If everyone stops pressuring him and looking at him every second while he is procreating, he might relax more and choose to mate with a few mares of his own choosing, a much happier experience for him and the mares.  So far, War Emblem's progeny are very highly prized, so they can give him a little leeway in this department.  

My biggest concern about War Emblem has always been that he was sold before the "Ferdinand Clause" was common business practice in sales to Japanese breeders.  I am happy to hear that the Shadai Farm has a nice place for him to go to once his breeding days have ended.  I'm sure he would be welcomed back home in the States to someplace wonderful like Old Friends.  I'm sure War Emblem would LOVE IT there!  In fact, bring him home when the time does come.  It would cure his homesickness, which would be a wonderful gift to War Emblem.  What a great champion he is, I still deeply care for him, and his excellent welfare, in my heart.  He will always be special to me.  Continued good fortune to you, War Emblem!

18 Jul 2012 5:51 PM
an ole railbird

i am completely disappointed that war emblem has turned out this way.

i was really impressed with him in his racing days.

my mother always said out of all bad, there comes some good.

 maybe the good in this story, is that, he is in japan & we wont have to worry about them bringing his off spring over here & out running us with them.

 have a nice day

 " an ole railbird"

18 Jul 2012 5:57 PM
Meydan Rocks

I'm completely mystified.

How come we’re so worried about a "Ferdinand clase" thousands of miles away and yet RIGHT HERE in our backyards we don't utter a peep about this...


I'll rest my case and BITE my tongue... hard.

18 Jul 2012 8:13 PM
old cowgirl

I used to have a Quarter Horse stallion that got to be a rather shy, disinterested breeder as he got older.   When I turned him out in the pasture with mares, if the mare was very sweet in strong heat he didn't pay much attention to her. When he walked up to a somewhat crabby mare that started to kick, he would get into a little chasing match with her, and all of a sudden his testosterone level rose a lot and he became very interested in breeding her. Maybe some horses need a challenge?

19 Jul 2012 12:16 AM

Meydan Rocks:

I for one am not just worried for horses overseas, but here as well.  For all the talk of owners who "love" their horses, this seems more akin to how one loves a share of stock they own; as long as it is profitable, they care, once it is no longer profitable, time to get rid of.  

19 Jul 2012 1:20 PM

I read in another forum (at Pedigree Inquiry) some time ago in a discussion of bad tempered mares that a known problem mare once tried to attack War Emblem in a horse van when he was a three year old being moved from Illinois (right after he won the Illinois Derby) to Kentucky (this before his Derby win).

Does anyone know if that story is true?

And if it is, could something like that affect the "psychology" (for lack of a better term) of a colt and affect his breeding preferences, etc.?

the story is here:


19 Jul 2012 1:36 PM
:46 Breezing

A huge THANK YOU to Michele MacDonald whose devotion to chronicling the trials and tribulations of War Emblem is GREATLY APPRECIATED.  

In short, War Emblem is the horse that CHANGED MY LIFE.   His exploits fascinated me and reignited my long dormant interest in horse racing.   Because of War Emblem, I changed career paths and found my dream job as a member of the industry media, where I have 'lived the dream' for the past 8 years.    

I was late to the War Emblem bandwagon, missing both the Illinois and Kentucky Derby wins, but marveled when, with a massive target on his back, he engineered a brilliant stalk and pounce win in the Preakness.   Then there was the much talked about stumble and flame out in the Belmont.  But the fact War Emblem showed the heart to rebound after his nose scraped the dirt at the break…. and then make the lead at the mile mark showed how much heart he had.    He returned to his old self wiring the field in the Haskell next out, before getting dusted in the Pacific Classic and later the BC Classic.  But he left his mark and was named Champion 3 yo in 2002.    

Thanks to Michele MacDonald and others, I’ve followed War Emblem's Japanese adventure with great interest.   I too thank and salute the handlers at Shadai for their ingenuity and patience in dealing with this horse…. a horse so close to my heart.    His ill-tempered demeanor goes well back to his racing days.    When Bob Baffert took over the training duties, he was able to calm WE by giving him mints and making some minor equipment changes...but he famously said..."I still wouldn't turn my back on that dude."    

I will never turn my back on the horse that changed my life and have dreamt about making the pilgrimage to Japan to come face to face with my hero,  feed him some mints and say THANK YOU.    ALL THE BEST…. you jet black son of a gun.        

19 Jul 2012 3:43 PM

Would some of you really be willing to turn your mare out to pasture with this horse? He attacks mares with teeth and feet, guys! If the welfare of females isn't on your radar, consider the value of the mares he's being offered.

I'd expect the mares to emerge from an afternoon in the field with him showing signs of being shy breeders themselves in future.

19 Jul 2012 7:35 PM
quiet american

ok heres a thought.... why dont they just use a tease and collect semen and use frozen semen or live shipments of semen to breed mares? we do this with the morgan breed especially if the stallions are still showing...collect n freeze the semen thus allowing multiple mares to be bred and not tired and stressing the stud.... i dont know if the TB breed is allowed to do this and if not should be considered.  this would infact help War emblem or be a viable alternative.

19 Jul 2012 9:19 PM

No kidding, Cassandra, one would have to be out of his or her mind to turn a mare out with this nut case! Even the ones he has bred before!

19 Jul 2012 11:20 PM

Live cover or nothing in this country.  Japan? I don't know, anyone know?

20 Jul 2012 11:34 PM

Why would Japan allow artificial insemination if it means those Thoroughbreds can't race/breed in the US (or other countries)? It seems to be a global rule that racing Thoroughbreds must be conceived via live cover; why would you expect anything different?

22 Jul 2012 2:58 PM


There's a thought. Somebody should ask how he behaves with mares he's bred before. If he'll have them back, or even quite a few of them, the stud should buy them and put together a broodmare band just for him.

I read somewhere that he showed a preference for small chestnuts. His dam is bay, so that's not it.

25 Jul 2012 1:21 PM

Get English Speaking handlers. Case closed. (not kidding) I've seen this before.

26 Jul 2012 11:06 AM

Try making the mare look different.  Then rub vicks on his nose, not a lot just a little bit.  Always worked for me.  He will not get the usual mare smell.

Don't laugh until you try it.

08 Aug 2012 7:40 PM

After reading the interesting accounts by Smartysgal and Keneck I feel War Emblem's  actions just may be the begining of things to come. Mother nature is stepping in and proclaiming enough is enough! By man's constant manipulation of the  Thoroughbreds breeding, inbreeding, linebreeding & forced breeding in a relatively small gene pool I fear there will be a tipping point and could well be disastorous. ..after all mother nature,  natural selective breedinghas done well without our assistance. It some of the  would think that a proud intelligent horse has every right to "act out" when continuously deprived of their natural freedom.Walk a mile in the horses shoe and see what kind of action you display. ( Let alone forced,upon demand( and I'm sure they detect the " hurry up sentiments waving off the handlers.I am surprised that has worked all this time. Oh yes, interesting the pig likes the coarse mix breed pigs to mate and the Stallion Kenek related about produced mares with no milk, colts and foals in general of poor quality. Seems the stallion instictively knew better than man.Far more intelligent perhaps?? Well I best shutup now, besides my phones screen is going "buckwild" and I can't see what I'm writing. Please excuse.

23 Jun 2013 8:39 PM

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