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Belmont Analysis and Contest Entries

This particular blog will serve two purposes. We will analyze the Belmont and also give our selections for the Draynay vs. the Blog Contest.

On the latter, you have until Friday, June 5 at noon EDT to submit your picks. In the comment section below, please provide your three picks for the Belmont. A consensus will be drawn from everyone's picks and I will post them, along with Draynay's picks, in a new blog on Friday afternoon.

Just so everyone understands the scoring, it will be done like golf - low score wins. Let's say the bloggers' consensus picks turn out to be Mine That Bird, Miner's Escape and Summer Bird. Wherever they finish a score will be assigned. If Mine That Bird wins he will get one (1) point. If Miner's Escape is third he will get three (3) points. And if Summer Bird is fourth he will get four (4) points. The total score of eight (8) will be compared to Dray's total points. Again, low score wins. Let's have a good time with this and remember, it's just for fun!

Now, on to the Belmont analysis.

Despite the absence of Rachel Alexandra, this has come up an intriguing race. Even though many seem to think this is a two-horse race between Mine That Bird (2-1) and Charitable Man (3-1), recent history of the Belmont has told us major upsets do happen. In the last 10 years alone, Lemon Drop Kid (29-1), Commendable (18-1), Sarava (70-1), Birdstone (36-1) Da' Tara (38-1) have all won this race in shocking fashion.

Keeping this is mind, it is very difficult for me to pick against Charitable Man. In talking to Kiaran McLaughlin before the Blue Grass Stakes, he said without hesitation that this is one of the best young horses he has ever trained. After what I saw in the Peter Pan, I don't doubt him.

For those who don't know, Charitable Man won the Futurity at Belmont in September and was thought to be one of the top Kentucky Derby prospects heading into 2009, but was diagnosed with a shin fracture a couple weeks later. He had surgery, in which a screw was inserted in his leg, and on Dec. 1 the screw was removed. When returning to the track for the first time in more than three months in January, McLaughlin was astounded by how fit the horse was despite being off the leg for so long. His training went so well that McLaughlin entered him in the Blue Grass, where he finished seventh.

McLaughlin chalked up the poor Blue Grass effort as having been off for seven months and also not taking to the Polytrack. His remarkable Peter Pan win on May 9 confirmed that the trainer was not bluffing. The horse is the real deal. He ran a sensational 1:34 1/5 mile and his final time of 1:47-flat was even better.

Charitable Man has two wins at Belmont (only Brave Victory even has a start over the track), should be forwardly-placed in a race without a lot of early speed, is making his third start off a layoff, and his daddy ( Lemon Drop Kid) won this race. It's hard to imagine that he won't run a big race. Based all of these factors and McLaughlin's confidence, I just don't see many in here that can challenge this guy on the lead. He is a fresh, talented horse.

Of course, Mine That Bird is one of the horses that can also win the race. His solid effort in the Preakness validated him, but will he get the pace scenario he likes and will his third race in six weeks catch up with him? Borel coming back on him should help, but I wouldn't be surprised if he regresses here. And as the probable favorite who needs the race to set up right for him, he is worth trying to beat.

Who are the best possibilities for upsets or to fill out exotics? Well, Dunkirk is a wild card. Until the race is run we won't know if his poor showing in the Derby was due to the muddy track and/or bad trip, or if he isn't as good as many thought. I happen to think he will run well here. I believe Pletcher when he says you can draw a line through the Derby. He has the highest Beyer in the race and should be better positioned in a smaller field.

The most likely longshot to hit the board for me is Mr. Hot Stuff. I was not crazy about this horse going into the Derby because of his closing style and it was his first start on dirt. But I think the race could set up better for him. His recent works also suggests he is ready for a top effort. Interestingly, John Velazquez and Edgar Prado have traded mounts on Dunkirk and Mr. Hot Stuff. Word is that Prado chose Mr. Hot Stuff.

Chocolate Candy, mostly because of his consistency and class, and Flying Private with new rider Julien Leparoux aboard, are also worth using in exotics.

As of now, the weather report calls for a dry Saturday, so the track condition shouldn't be a factor.

So I guess what Im saying is, even with all of recent upsets in the Belmont, I believe this race has the potential to be very chalky on top. Playing the late Pick 4 is probably the best way to find value. I'll post my selections for the Pick 4 on Friday.

As for the Belmont, it's Charitable Man for a big win ticket, an exacta box with Charitable Man, Dunkirk and Mr. Hot Stuff, and a trifecta with Charitable Man over Dunkirk, Mr. Hot Stuff, Mine That Bird, Chocolate Candy and Flying Private, whose nice, late move in the Preakness suggests that he is improving.

I look forward to seeing all of your selections!

244 Comments:

1)  Mine that Bird

2) Summer Bird

3) Chocolate Candy

Filly 03 Jun 2009 3:19 PM

I guess todd pletcher feels he can let cm have an easy lead and still catch him.

steve s 03 Jun 2009 3:23 PM

1)Summer Bird

2)Mine That Bird

3)Charitable Man

Bound for Stardom 03 Jun 2009 3:35 PM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Summer Bird

3. Flying Private

Lecylue 03 Jun 2009 3:38 PM

(1) Dunkirk (2) Chocolate Candy (3) Mine that Bird

and just to be nice I'll give you the Super (4) Summer Bird

Please bet something else because I want ALL your money.

poppopball 03 Jun 2009 3:42 PM

1) Charitable Man

2) Summer Bird

3) Mine That Bird

RachelSatterfield 03 Jun 2009 3:46 PM

mine that bird runs away with it

second place- summer bird with chocolate candy a close third=]

olivianewman 03 Jun 2009 3:47 PM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Charitable Man

3. Summer Bird

I just can not bet against Calvin--have seen him ride in too many strategic races to think he won't give MTB every possible chance to put in a winning performance.  GO CALVIN!!!

Audra 03 Jun 2009 3:51 PM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Summer Bird

3. Charitable Man

RS 03 Jun 2009 3:51 PM

Well I'm gonna get my picks up early Jason, because this blog post is gonna take off like the Horses outa the gate. Let me just say that I, like Draynay thought MTB was a Fluke in the Derby, and the pace didn't really validate him in the Preakness, it just set it up for him. And I think there is money to be made in the Test of the Champion. So here are my top three.

1.) Chocolate Candy

2.) Summer Bird

3.) Charitable Man

RollingThundar 03 Jun 2009 4:00 PM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Charitable Man

3) Chocolate Candy

The Rock 03 Jun 2009 4:01 PM

Borel and Garcia are arguable the two hottest jocks out there. I agree with Steve Haskin that MTB needs to use the same tactics as Afleet Alex did in his Belmont win. Charitable Man is tactical and should be tough to pass by anyone. You don't want to be too far back in this race.

The Rock 03 Jun 2009 4:03 PM

1. Chocolate Candy

2. Mind That Bird

3. Charitable Man

I think it is Mind That Bird's race to lose.. and I think that Chocolate Candy is ready to roll

Pat 03 Jun 2009 4:04 PM

1.  Charitable Man

2.  Dunkirk

3.  Summer Bird.

Chocolate Candy?  Are you kidding Jason?  Dr. Phil's wife has a better stride leaving the stage each day after the show.

Ted from LA 03 Jun 2009 4:05 PM

1.  Dunkirk

2.  Charitable Man

3.  Mine That Bird

Crafton 03 Jun 2009 4:06 PM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Summer Bird

3. Charitable Man

Teaser 03 Jun 2009 4:14 PM

I must admit I am in total shock that the Fluke is the favorite in this race. One good race in the mud and suddenly this multiple New Mexico loser is better then Dunkirk and Mr. Hot Stuff ?  I thought the blog was going to make it tough on me but I can see its going to be a cake walk.  With the expected pace and rested horses running the Fluke is 5th best in this race.  Remember everyone you are trying for the lowest score not the highest.  Yip... Yip.

Draynay 03 Jun 2009 4:18 PM

Just so everyone knows, I have Dray's picks. I will release them with blog picks on Friday.

Ted: You watch Dr. Phil? That explains a lot.

jshandler 03 Jun 2009 4:22 PM

Charitable Man in a run away! Brave Victory in the runner up spot and Mine that Bird up for show. Pace will dictate the outcome and it is hard to believe that the forwardly placed horses won't be there at the end. A shot to Lucas' horse who improved tremendously over the Pimlico strip. Look for Summer Bird to try the turf course later in the season and the feeling here is that he will handle it well! Aloha!

TonyC 03 Jun 2009 4:25 PM

No, but I have seen the end of the show and her shimmying off the stage.  I've seen toddlers with better strides.

Ted from LA 03 Jun 2009 4:35 PM

1) Charitable Man

2) Summer Bird

3) Mr. Hot Stuff

The Peruvian 03 Jun 2009 4:36 PM

Like I already said:

Mine That Bird

Chocolate Candy

Summer Bird

Yay for the "New Mexico loser" - and 3YO champ (male - I was going to say "colt" but I guess its a Funny Cide year) this year!

MZ 03 Jun 2009 4:37 PM

1.  Chocolate Candy

2.  Mine That Bird

3.  Dunkirk

Racingfan 03 Jun 2009 4:45 PM

Charitable Man

Mine That Bird

Chocolate Candy

mburry 03 Jun 2009 4:49 PM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Summer Bird

3) Dunkirk

broken tree 03 Jun 2009 4:57 PM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Flying Private

3) Chocolate Candy

Sean 03 Jun 2009 4:59 PM

I will go with...

1.) Mr. Hot Stuff

2.) Dunkirk

3.) Charitable Man

LDP 03 Jun 2009 5:04 PM

1.Mind That Bird

2.Mr. Hot Stuff

3.Dunkirk

LOL-Draynay

Speedball 03 Jun 2009 5:06 PM

Oh, Draynay - I'm not switching horses in mid stream just because you had to throw in that latest dig on Mine That Bird.  I've watched you drown too many times as you jump from ill advised favorite to ill advised favorite.  I'm still waiting for you to surface from Big Brown's sinking last year - he was the horse no other three-year-old was fit to share a track with, IYO, remember?

1. Mine That Bird

2.Mr. Hot Stuff

3. Flying Private

Seriously though - good luck to all and I will so enjoy hearing the "crunch, crunch, chrunch" of Cheetos being consumed in frustration and angst when Draynay has to call Mine That Bird by name!

Cgriff 03 Jun 2009 5:11 PM

like basically everyone else

Mine that Bird

Summer Bird

Charitable Man

Alisha 03 Jun 2009 5:13 PM

1. Dunkirk

2. Mine That Bird

3. Summer Bird

Dutch 03 Jun 2009 5:15 PM

1. Mind That Bird

2. Summer Bird

3. Chocolate Candy

jbpegasus 03 Jun 2009 5:15 PM

1) Summer Bird

2) Charitable Man

3) Dunkirk

4) Mine that Bird

Brian 03 Jun 2009 5:22 PM

Be afraid Dray.  The Belmont has been the biggest fluke race the last 10 years.  

1) Flying Private

2) Mine That Bird

3) Brave Victory

MikeG 03 Jun 2009 5:35 PM

I can't believe people have Dunkirk in their picks! Did anyone happen to see his last two races?! There's no way he's hitting the board, he DEFINITELY cannot get the mile and half distance, especially at Big Sandy! (But I bet Mr. Draynay picks him) With that said, here are my picks:

1.MTB

2.Summer Bird

3.Mr. Hot Stuff

ALB 03 Jun 2009 5:43 PM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Mr. Hot Stuff

3) Chocolate Candy

Karen in Indiana 03 Jun 2009 5:44 PM

1) Charitable Man

2) Flying Private

3) Summer bird box and take it to the bank yo bling bling!

anti draynay and thong song 03 Jun 2009 5:48 PM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Brave Victory

3) Mr. Hot Stuff

Maggie 03 Jun 2009 5:50 PM

I was hoping Musket Man would run but alas! My picks are:

1. Charitable Man

2. Flying Private

3. Mr. Hot Stuff

I can't see Mind that Bird closer than 5th.

Dona 03 Jun 2009 5:51 PM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Summer Bird

3) Chocolate Candy

rhetor81 03 Jun 2009 5:53 PM

ALB,

    What has summer bird done that is better than Dukirk? Dunkirk had a rough trip in the derby, and ran a great race on a speed favoring gulfstream strip, so i don't know what race your watching if the FL Derby is catagorize to you as a bad race. To close like he did on that kind of track is just amazing. You have summer bird in your picks and all he's done is won a maiden race. With his long smooth stride, Dunkirk should love the wide sweeping turns at Belmont, and the slow pace will help him more. Summer bird is a closing grinder, the pace will only hinder him.

LDP 03 Jun 2009 5:56 PM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Mr. Hot Stuff

3) Flying Private

If one of my first three picks scratches, substitute:

Summer Bird

Zookeeper 03 Jun 2009 6:05 PM

WOW,

   I love all the respect the Bird's are getting!, It sure looks like a lock that the Bird's will be One, Two, with a third going either to Charitable Man or Chocolate Candy, with Dunkirk coming in fifth place.  Quite impressive everyone! If those picks hold on, I think we will have a "Dray" free Month(IMO).

My Picks for the 2009 Belmont:

1."Mine That Bird"

2."Summer Bird"

3."Charitable Man"

*Just in case there are late scratches, My fourth and fifth picks:

4."Flying Private"

5."Chocolate Candy"

Now, Trying to think like Dray(Which is a scary thought, lol), I will say he is going with:

1."Charitable Man"

2."Dunkirk"

3."Mr. Hot Stuff"

4."Chocolate Candy"

5."Mine that Bird"

Good Luck Everyone!, And of course, Good Luck Draynay..

Bottom Line, Though, Hope it is a Safe Race...

Greg J. 03 Jun 2009 6:07 PM

1.  Mine That Bird

2.  Summer Bird

3.  Mr. Hot Stuff

Brownfan 03 Jun 2009 6:07 PM

1-Charitable Man

2-Summer Bird

3-Mine That Bird

silverscrngirl 03 Jun 2009 6:08 PM

1) MINE THAT BIRD

2) SUMMER BIRD

3) FLYING PRIVATE

KACY 03 Jun 2009 6:09 PM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Summer Bird

3) Charitable Man

da3hoss 03 Jun 2009 6:16 PM

1. Charitable Man

2. Mine That Bird

3. Flying Private

That's my 3 horse exacta box.

As to Dunkirk, he may do well -- but I cannot see betting a horse like Dunkirk with so little experience.

Old Timer 03 Jun 2009 6:29 PM

1. Miner's Escape

2. Mine that Bird

3. Dunkirk

Light Green 03 Jun 2009 6:33 PM

1. CHOCOLATE CANDY

2. CHARITABLE MAN

3. SUMMER BIRD

EddieSr 03 Jun 2009 6:38 PM

1)Charitable Man

2)Mine That Bird

3)Chocolate Candy

J 03 Jun 2009 6:42 PM

Mind That Bird,Summer Bird,and Chairitable Man 1,2,and 3. That's it.

Rita 03 Jun 2009 6:43 PM

Mine That Bird

Chocolate Candy

Dunkirk

Wanda 03 Jun 2009 6:44 PM

Charitable Man

Chocoate Candy

Mr. Hot Stuff

Monica V 03 Jun 2009 6:47 PM

Mind That Bird

Summer Bird

Dunkirk

Driftin Sage 03 Jun 2009 7:01 PM

1)Mine That Bird

2)Charitable Man

3)Mr. Hot Stuff

Lily 03 Jun 2009 7:03 PM

1. Charitable Man

2. Mine That Bird

3. Summer Bird

But I want to say this, my heart is with Mine That Bird. I would be on Cloud 9 if he wins.

I won't be able to find out until late Saturday or Sunday since I will be in a meeting in a hotel all day in San Francisco. It's killing me. Someone told me I  sneak out for a minute and head to the bar and they may have it on.

Paula Higgins 03 Jun 2009 7:14 PM

Jason.  Who is Edgar on in this race?  :)

StardustyRose 03 Jun 2009 7:17 PM

Also, Jason.  ANYONE Greg J.  

Where are the undercards for Saturday?  Anyone please guide me to them.  I can't get them until Friday on my wagering site.  :(

StardustyRose 03 Jun 2009 7:19 PM

1) Chocolate Candy

2) Charitable Man

3)Mine Thats Bird

4) Mr. Hot Stuff

kittensjoy 03 Jun 2009 7:22 PM

Mine that Bird runs them down in the Belmont.

1)Mine that Bird

2)Charitable Man

3)Chocolate Candy

winz 03 Jun 2009 7:22 PM

1) Charitable Man

2) Summer Bird

3) Flying Private

DONNA 03 Jun 2009 7:35 PM

Chocolate Candy

Charitable Man

Mine That Bird

wildboar65 03 Jun 2009 7:37 PM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Summer Bird

3. Love Gov

SOME SURPRISING BELMONT FACTS:

Belmont racetrack is the largest track in the country. Even the INNER turf course, at 1 3/16 miles, is larger than  any other track's outside outside dirt/synthetic oval as all are 1 1/8 miles or less.

But here comes the biggest surprise of all...it's stretch run (1097') is actually shorter than Churchill Downes (1234'), Pimlico (1152'). In fact , it's shorter than Aqueduct and Saratoga's too (1155'; 1144'). Belmont, aka "Big Sandy", gets it's huge size from it's enormous sweeping turns. If you are at the track, you can hardly see the horses run down the backstretch with the naked eye, they are so far away.

By the way, of the major tracks, the shortest stretch run is Santa Anita and Gulfstream, at 990'; the longest is Fair Grounds at 1346'.

And of course if you are looking for a long stretch run, there's always Nad Al Sheba in Dubai, just about a whopping 1980'!

Hope you all bet the Belmont  accordingly Saturday...and enjoy the race!

Saratoga AJ 03 Jun 2009 7:40 PM

Mine That Bird

Charitable Man

Chocolate Candy

lucky 03 Jun 2009 7:49 PM

It's McLaughlin's day!

1) Charitable Man

2) Dunkirk

3) Summer Bird

Summer beats the other Bird.  

Chris V. 03 Jun 2009 7:59 PM

1) Brave Victory

2) Mind that Bird

3) Charitable Man

beware of Zito

AnneM 03 Jun 2009 8:00 PM

1)Mine That Bird

2)Charitable Man

3)Summer Bird

seatariat 03 Jun 2009 8:09 PM

Mine That Bird

Summer Bird

Charitable Man

Sharon 03 Jun 2009 8:26 PM

1)  Dunkirk

2)  Mine that Bird

3)  Charitable Man

Kate 03 Jun 2009 8:36 PM

Mine That Bird is no fluke. He just needed a better jockey in the races leading up to the Derby. That being said...I like Miner's Escape for the win with Mine That Bird coming on strong late. I doubt very much that Dunkirk will stay a mile and a half. So I would put Charitable Man, Flying Private and Chocolate Candy at the end of exotics.

nostalgichorse 03 Jun 2009 8:37 PM

1. Charitable Man

2. Mine That Bird

3. Summer Bird

4. Chocolate Candy

5. Flying Private

stegosaurus 03 Jun 2009 8:59 PM

Charitable Man

Mr. Hot Stuff

Mine That Bird

The Richard 03 Jun 2009 9:02 PM

Summer Bird

Mine That Bird

Flying Pegasus

Skyfire 03 Jun 2009 9:02 PM

CHOCOLATE CANDY

CHARITABLE MAN

MINE THAT BIRD

turflover 03 Jun 2009 9:07 PM

Dunkirk will relish Big Sandy and give T. Pletch his 2nd Belmont in 3 years.

drewclearwhenroused 03 Jun 2009 9:07 PM

Anne M, you're absolutely right about "beware of Zito." That man has amazing luck at the Belmont.

Paula Higgins 03 Jun 2009 9:12 PM

Well Jason... based on what I see I guess I better start writing my Blog !  I have this thing won for sure !

All I see is a bunch of rookie picks.

Draynay 03 Jun 2009 9:27 PM

I'm going to put Zito in my picks as he's always a threat in the Belmont...

Here are my picks..

1.Miner's Escape

2. Summer Bird

3. Flying Private (love Lukas!)

Kayte 03 Jun 2009 9:40 PM

1) Mine that Bird

2)Summer Bird

3)Charitable Man

sophiekea 03 Jun 2009 9:45 PM

1) SUMMER BIRD (best bet)      

2) Charitable Man  

3) Mine That Bird

4) Chocolate Candy

From This year I'll always remember Calvin's war whoopn' and high fivin' the whole grandstand, in what I've said is the greatest victory scene I've ever seen in any sport...The Derby track was much more tiring than the Oaks track, for that reason I'll not make more of The Preakness than what it was--a solid victory by a top filly over a not so top field of colts....if Mine That Bird wins Sat he's front and center in the racing world as the leader for HOY---(in my opinion)...alas, the "other birdie" is gonna go get him (I think)---Summer Bird's a playah--he'll be comin' and Kent will be leading the Boston Pops as he comes'a'chargin'!! Then in the winners circle he'll say "I tell ya...." and he'll tell us all, and we'll all listen...cuz Kent's king of the sound bites! Please all come back sound! A strong Belmont after all! Things are tough all over, but we've got good racing right now! And hopefully, good racing to come in the Summer/Fall.....fly birdie fly....

Matthew W 03 Jun 2009 9:49 PM

1st Charitable Man

2nd Chocolate Candy

3rd Mine that Bird

Dray, I know you will be picking Dunkirk in either 1st or 2nd. I'm warning you now stay away from him! He is one of the most overhyped three year olds in several years

kevheels 03 Jun 2009 9:54 PM

StardustyRose:

Edgar is riding Mr. Hot Stuff

tcc 03 Jun 2009 9:54 PM

  Mine That Bird

  Charitable Man

  Dunkirk

Most of all a safe trip for all

Rocky 03 Jun 2009 10:02 PM

Chocolate Candy

Mine That Bird

Charitable Man

if one of them scratches, Dunkirk in 3rd.

Jason, made it!! Everyone have a fun time on the blog tomorrow,wish I could join!!

Draynay, the time has come baby boy, no excuses when you lose! :)

sweet terchi 03 Jun 2009 10:02 PM

Oh please Draynay, there are a bunch of different picks, we can't all be wrong.

Paula Higgins 03 Jun 2009 10:18 PM

Mine That Bird

Charitable Man

Chocolate Candy

Joel W 03 Jun 2009 10:20 PM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Miner's Escape

3. Mr. Hot Stuff

Soldier Course 03 Jun 2009 10:38 PM

Jason I was suprised when you said (or someone said) Prado CHOSE Mr Hot Stuff over Dunkirk....why? Mr Hot Stuff is not that good--you could "read it" in Mr Harty's comments before the Derby--("nothing like Col John"..."has potential"..."Col John's a real good horse")...that tells me he doesn't think his horse is that good---and he simply isn't.....To me Dunkirk's a "bet against"...why take the low odds (again!)...I'm leaving the Prado/Johnny V musical chairs alone--AND I'll leave both of their horses alone as well!

Matthew W 03 Jun 2009 10:39 PM

Matthew W: I believe it was Harty who said Prado chose MHS over Dunkirk.

jshandler 03 Jun 2009 10:44 PM

Don't know how this will affect the track - weather says rain tonight, tomorrow & a chance on Friday with Saturday being as close to perfect as it gets - partly sunny & 78 degrees. Sure do wish I could be there!

Karen in Indiana 03 Jun 2009 10:44 PM

Can I use the all button for 3rd?

1)  CHARITABLE MAN

2)  Chocolate Candy

3)  Mine That Bird

I put Charitable Man in all caps because he's my best pick of the card.  I thought I would do a little spin-off from another publication.  Jason, since he's my best pick, can you count two 1st place votes for Charitable Man?

I know Dray thinks that Friesan Fire is this year's Pyro, but could it be that Dunkirk is this year's Bandini?

Curlin 03 Jun 2009 10:49 PM

Judging from what I've read, it sounds like Mr. Harty gets frustrated with him because Mr. Hot Stuff is not an obedient, no-nonsense horse. Mr. Hot Stuff pulls pranks in his stall like throwing hay at people who walk by and sightseeing when he should be running. They showed him training on HRTV and he was watching the big screen on the track every time he ran by it. But, the last 2 races I've watched him decide 'oh, yeah, I should run now' and he'd really go. One day he's going to decide it's time right when the gates open and that will be something to see.

Karen in Indiana 03 Jun 2009 10:52 PM

1.  Summer Bird

2.  Chocolate Candy

3.  Mr. Hot Stuff

ElusiveQuality8 03 Jun 2009 11:00 PM

1 - Mine That Bird

2 - Summer Bird

3 - Mr Hot Stuff

CGC 03 Jun 2009 11:03 PM

Karen, that's hysterical! Mr. Hot Stuff is quite a character. A real personality boy.

Paula Higgins 03 Jun 2009 11:23 PM

Dunkirk

Charitable Man

Chocolate Candy

Karren 03 Jun 2009 11:48 PM

1) Mine that Bird

2) Chocolate Candy

3) Mr. Hot Stuff

I can't wait to see how MHS handles a fast dirt track.  His biggest challenge will be timing his move as well as MTB.  With Prado aboard, hopefully he presses that button at the right time.

TJLuvsTizs 03 Jun 2009 11:49 PM

1) Charitable Man (a rising star in this year's vintage crop of 3YOs.  He's a cinch ...should spreadeagle this Belmont field in the absence of Rachel Alexandra)

2) Mine That Bird (this freak aint no fluke and will be closing stoutly once again without threatening the winner on this occassion)

3) Chocholate Candy (should outstay Dunkirk for third place)

Draynay should hit the "bulls eye" with CM but Mine That Bird threatens to cost him dearly again although not as much as in the Derby.  The real fluke/"flop of the crop" could turn out to be the pre-Derby hype horse Dunkirk (a risky proposition going 12 furlongs).  

Any surprise performance will likely come from a Nick Zito horse like Brave Victory making the frame under promising young jockey Rajiv Maragh.  Let's enjoy as we anticipate Saratoga and the exciting latter half of the season.

Ranagulzion 04 Jun 2009 12:01 AM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Chocolate Candy

3) Flying Private

Cleone 04 Jun 2009 12:05 AM

Anyone think 12-1 on Summer Bird is a "miss"  by the morning line?...Try 8-1.......Also 10-1 on Choc Candy?....Methinks lower than that as well.....Me(also)thinks 2-1 on Mine That Bird is quite low.....

Matthew W 04 Jun 2009 12:06 AM

I think Charitable Man is the obvious choice because he is already proven over the track.  I like the timing between the Peter Pan and the Belmont too.

I'm going to give Summer Bird the show, I love the way this horse looks.  Oh heck, I know they don't run on their looks but there you have it.

Mine That Bird gets up for the show.  

So to recap:

1. Charitable Man

2. Summer Bird

3. Mine That Bird

Runfast159 04 Jun 2009 12:10 AM

Good luck to all. May all horses and jocks comeback safe. my picks:

1. CHARITABLE MAN

2. choc candy

3. dunkirk

Docvegas 04 Jun 2009 12:17 AM

1) Charitable  Man

2) Mine  That  Bird

3) Chocolate  Candy

SlewStable 04 Jun 2009 1:17 AM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Charitable Man

3. Flying Private

4. Mr. Hot Stuff

5. Summer Bird

6. Chocolate Candy

Ragsy 04 Jun 2009 1:54 AM

Two birds and some chocolate please.

NOLA 04 Jun 2009 2:16 AM

Charitable Man

Miners Escape

Mine That Bird

Chris_L 04 Jun 2009 2:17 AM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Flying Private

3. Summer Bird

4. Charitable Man

AnotherKaren 04 Jun 2009 4:53 AM

1st Dunkirk

2nd Charitable Man

3rd Chocolate Candy

GRH 04 Jun 2009 5:04 AM

1- Lieutenent Govenor

2- Miners Escape

3-Brave Victory

joe 04 Jun 2009 7:42 AM

My picks are,

1-THE FLUKE

2-Mr. Hot Stuff

3-Miners Escape

dandy dan 04 Jun 2009 8:09 AM

MINE THAT BIRD AND SUMMER BIRD DEAD HEAT

MR HOT STUFF THIRD

AMY ROONEY 04 Jun 2009 8:13 AM

Mine That Bird

Chocolate Candy

Flying Private

Summer Bird

Kiaffa 04 Jun 2009 8:16 AM

MTB! Bird's the Word!!

Saddle57 04 Jun 2009 8:25 AM

1.Charitable Man

2. Dunkirk

3. Mine that Bird

Billy's Empire 04 Jun 2009 8:26 AM

1.) Charitable Man

2.) Mr. Hot Stuff

3.) Flying Private

Come on Dray you've got this won.

Jason, do you know where Mr. Fantasy is planning to make his next start.  I thought after the Met Mile scratch they were going to be pointing for the Woody Stevens, but he isn't in the field, any idea?

Dave the Draynay Fan 04 Jun 2009 8:49 AM

1)Mine That Bird (of course)

2)Flying Private

3)Summer Bird

Birdstone will be one proud Pappa on Saturday!

LACS70 04 Jun 2009 8:50 AM

1. Dunkirk  

2. Chocolate Candy

3. Mine That Bird  

J.B.STONED 04 Jun 2009 8:52 AM

1 - Mine That Bird

2 - Charitable Man

3 - Mr. Hot Stuff

jmkirken 04 Jun 2009 8:56 AM

Chartiable Man

Dunkirk

Brave Victory

Danscott11 04 Jun 2009 9:05 AM

I like Chocolate Candy and Charitable Man because of their Slew connections.  Chocolate Candy's dam is a daughter of Slew, and Lemon Drop Kid (a Belmont winner), Charitable Man's sire, is out of a daughter of Slew.  Works for me.  Either one.

Jon 04 Jun 2009 9:20 AM

1- Mine That Bird

2- Flying Private

3- Summer Bird

Mine That Bird is THE most exciting horse I've ever watched race!! I've watched his Derby & Preakness several times each. It's amazing how he can make every other horse look like they are racing in slow motion, RA included. Once he starts his run, he passes horses with every stride & in the Preakness he was gaining on RA with every stride. He just ran out of real estate as he was passing her flank. He just skims over the track. Almost every still shot photograph I have seen of him racing, all four feet are off the track. It's like he is flying!!

Both Summer Bird & Flying Private are reaching their peak. I think they will both run huge.  Flying Private is family favorite to run well. I own his 5 yr. old retired brother (same father), Super Hero. I'd love to tell Super Hero that his brother ran a great race. Maybe I'll watch the Belmont with him from the doorway of our tack room so he can cheer for his brother himself!!LOL!!

ColetteMarie 04 Jun 2009 9:27 AM

1. mine that bird

2. flying private

3. chocolate candy

hope this gets draynay off the site for a month, though i tend to bypass his comments anyway.

patti d 04 Jun 2009 9:32 AM

Mine that Bird

Summer Bird

Flying Private

Katherine 04 Jun 2009 9:34 AM

1. Charitable Man

2. Mine that Bird

3. Summer Bird

KenfromRI 04 Jun 2009 9:34 AM

Skyfire,

     If Flying Pegasus comes in third, I will quit the game, lol...I believe you have yourself a Freudian slip, I believe you meant, "Flying Private"...

Greg J. 04 Jun 2009 9:34 AM

I was right about Revenge destroying the Gotham field, but wrong about Giant Oak winning the Louisiana Derby, though Giant Oak  came back from that and ran two great graded stakes races.

Go back on the boards and notice how much heat I took for saying that F Fire would never win anything major outside of Louisiana. Horses that run so hard- so soon in Louisiana NEVER do anything again- it's a fact.

I did miss the last two months- I was in Angola for Exxon and horse racing was the last thing on my mind-lol.

In regards to the Belmont, Dunkirk is definitely bred to handle the distance and has rested five weeks. He is coming into this race as four of the last six Belmont Stakes winners have.

I didn't like Dunkirk in the KD and I don't drive his bandwagon, but he had a bad trip-not an excuse- it was a fact. Charitable Man looked good in the Peter Pan- and he deserves to be the 2nd choice in this horrible Belmont field- one of the worst ever!

But how good was the Peter Pan? The race was set up perfectly for his style- now a horse that has never run beyond 1 1/8 mile will be on the lead in a 50 second half mile as there is no speed in the race after CM and ME.  

Except for Mine That Bird winning the Derby- NONE OF THESE HORSES has ever won a Grade 1 race. I remember one person on these boards back in March lecture about 'THE BELMONT FUTURITY MEANS NOTHING' when I pointed out it was a key race- now everybody is saying the 'hot' horse is CM- look at his Belmont races-LOL.

Dunkirk has the highest Beyer rating in the field- though that isnt saying much with this group.....I'll go with Dunkirk to win a very slow Belmont.  

Robert H 04 Jun 2009 9:38 AM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Flying Private

3. Chocolate Candy

racehorseartist 04 Jun 2009 9:48 AM

1. CHARITABLE MAN (CONTROLLING SPEED)

2. DUNKIRK (THIS IS THE BEST 3 YR OLD PLETCHER TRAINED. PEAKS AT THE RIGHT TIME)

3. MINE THAT BIRD (WILL BE TRYING HARD BEFORE FATIGUE SETS IN)

3. MINE THAT BIRD

Tony in Texas 04 Jun 2009 9:52 AM

And the weiner is,

1) Mine That Bird

2) Brave Victory

3) Luv Guv

Oh lord I can't believe I'm doing this. What the hay though if my picks do better than his I can hold that over him when he starts telling me how great a handicapper he is.

People if draynay wins I'm taking the dogs and going far away until the smoke clears. He may not miss me but he'll miss the mutts making it easier to come home.

draynays better half 04 Jun 2009 10:19 AM

Draynays better half,

    Too Funny!, I am going to use your Trifecta as one of my wagers, because if that comes in, WOW, the payoff will be HUGE, Plus it probably is the complete opposite of Dray's picks, lol...

Greg J. 04 Jun 2009 11:06 AM

FYI,

   Off Subject, But "Hollywood Park" End of a Era?, Sad...

www.bloodhorse.com/.../inglewood-clears-way-for-hollywood-demolition

Greg J. 04 Jun 2009 11:12 AM

Haskin said; 'this looks to be a much deeper and talented field than last year.'.

I would agree that this field is more talented compared to the worst Belmont group in history (2008); however, when you look at these horses- in the 2009 Belmont Stakes- the final leg of the Triple Crown- what do you have Mr. Haskin????  You must be looking at the wrong form?

ONE GRADE 1 WIN- COMBINED!!!!! ONE!!! THE ENTIRE FIELD! 10 horses.

6 of the 10 horses were off the board previous to this race- and a 7th -Brave Victory was off the board in 4 of his last 6. Miners Escape was off the board 5 out of 7 career starts.

I dont care how Flying Private ran at the end of the Preakness- he lost his last 3 by a combined 55 lengths and was only in there because Lukas figured- why not?

If you take out MTB and Charitable Man- no horse in this race would have won anything more than a grade 3 race- and even then- that is only ONE TIME- Chocolate Candy....ONE TIME- that is rather pathetic.

A HORRIBLE FIELD!

For the price- I would have Choc Candy up there w/ Dunkirk. He finished 5th in the Derby after being badly squeezed-before that he ran very well in 5 straight stakes races.

Candy has been working out very well fresh at Belmont! Synthetic horses ran 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th in the Derby- CC could easily pull off a huge upset.    

Robert H 04 Jun 2009 11:49 AM

1.  Charitable Man

2.  Chocolate Candy

3.  The Fluke

4.  Dunkirk/SummerBird

LadyRuffian, Somethingroyal, SweetTerchi, what will become of Native Diver's remains after they tear up Hollywood Park?  Maybe they will leave the walking ring standing with Native Diver's grave intact, as a symbol of days gone by...

helsbelles 04 Jun 2009 1:13 PM

1. MINE THAT BIRD

2. SUMMER BIRD

3. MINERS ESCAPE

rolo from ky 04 Jun 2009 1:26 PM

1.Charitable Man

2.Mine That Bird

3.Summer Bird

4.Dunkirk

Heart is with Mine That Bird.

LUCK AND SAFTEY TO ALL!

Horswld 04 Jun 2009 1:30 PM

Jason, Thank you for the live blog, it was interesting and comical to say the least. I do think CM could lead the race the whole way, unless somebody does something crazy, but I don't see anybody fast enough to do that. I really like what I am hearing from the observers of CC. He seems to relish the surface. Could be a big suprise. I just can't discount MTB's form right now. If Calvin can time his run correctly I think he will run everybody down. I just can't see Dunkirk getting the distance. It will be all about the pace with him. If he tries to stalk CM, I think he will tire in the stretch. Like I said in the live blog, can't bet them all.

Greg J.

I read the Hollywood article this morning and it made me want to puke. Arnold is even floating the idea of selling Santa Anita to developers. I'm afraid horse racing in California might become a thing of the past.

longwaytomay 04 Jun 2009 1:39 PM

Longway: Good points. A CM, MTB, CC tri is a good bet. I will include Dunkirk in there, but I believe those top 4 choices will be in your tri.

jshandler 04 Jun 2009 1:49 PM

Jason, I almost forgot. I wouldn't completely discount the chances of Summer Bird. I won't have him in the one slot, but I will include him on the bottom of my tickets. He is training very well with the equipment change and he certainly has the pedigree to get the distance.

longwaytomay 04 Jun 2009 1:56 PM

Hi Jason,

I'm glad you're not tossing MTB this time. You still don't see him as winning, but at least he has gained some respect from you. There's hope yet!:)

Zookeeper 04 Jun 2009 2:00 PM

1) Summer Bird

2) Charitable Man

3) Mine That Bird

SharpHumor87 04 Jun 2009 2:01 PM

1.  Mine That Bird

2.  Flying Private

3.  Summer Bird

I will most likely do some action on a Tri Key.

Freetex 04 Jun 2009 2:07 PM

Mrs. Draynay, if he loves dogs he's not all bad. Good luck.

Paula Higgins 04 Jun 2009 2:09 PM

Mini Schnauzers arent really dogs Paula. Yip Yip!

jshandler 04 Jun 2009 2:11 PM

LONGWAYTOMAY:  I believe it is Del Mar Racetrack that Gov. Arnold has suggested should go up for sale to pay some of the CA deficit, since it is STATE owned (Santa Anita is privately owned).

helsbelles 04 Jun 2009 2:17 PM

(1). Chocolate Candy

(2). Mine that Bird

(3). Dunkirk

Householder 04 Jun 2009 2:18 PM

tcc

Thanks.  :)  Prado knows the Belmont track guys and gals.  :)

Hi Greg J.  I "think" my picks are identicle to yours.  I will post them later but Jason if for some reason I can't get back on line, I am going with Greg J.  :-)

StardustyRose 04 Jun 2009 2:21 PM

Helsbelles - I know that H.P. was Native Diver's home and its so sad whats happening to Hollywood Park, but I do hope that they move his remains to Del Mar (where he took the Del Mar H) so that his fans can continue enjoying his memory!

Lady Ruffian 04 Jun 2009 2:27 PM

MINE THAT BIRD

CHARITABLE MAN

CHOCOLATE CANDY

MOKEY 04 Jun 2009 2:29 PM

Hey you guys.  If we have the extra money and do our own picks AND Draynays when we wager.  IF he does win, we will all cash out.  IF not, no biggie.  Just a backup for all of us LOL!  :)  Just something to consider.  

StardustyRose 04 Jun 2009 2:42 PM

Charitable Man

Flying Private

Dunkirk

Chocolate Candy

Mine That Bird

effy 04 Jun 2009 2:43 PM

MINE THAT BIRD

CHARITABLE MAN

FLYING PRIVATE

GeeGees 04 Jun 2009 2:47 PM

Mine That Bird

Mr.Hot Stuff

Dunkirk

SundaySilenced 04 Jun 2009 2:47 PM

1 DUNKIRK

2 SUMMER BIRD

3 CHOCOLate CANDY

THE PACE WILL BE VERY SLOW BECAUSE THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT MINE THAT BIRD HUGE CLOSE.

CHARITABLE MAN SHOULD HAVE AN EASY LEAD ON PAPER

THE first two furlongs will be slowest ever in the BELMONT

steve s 04 Jun 2009 2:49 PM

ColetteMarie, dear,

Regarding your idea about watching the race on TV with your horse.  Horses don't watch TV.  That is why they are smarter than humans.  If they had opposable thumbs they would be betting on humans on Saturday.

Ted from LA 04 Jun 2009 2:59 PM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Miner's Escape

3) Summer Bird

2:24 04 Jun 2009 3:10 PM

Three solid horses, one question mark, and the rest need to take a big step forward.

1> Mine That Bird

2> Charitable Man

3> Chocolate Candy

4> Dunkirk ?

Safe Trip To All

mg 04 Jun 2009 3:28 PM

Helsbelles, Thank you, I stand corrected.

longwaytomay 04 Jun 2009 3:43 PM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Charitable Man

3. Mr. Hot Stuff

4. Dunkirk

I think Mr. Hot Stuff is due for a big run and I think the Belmont will be his day.  I put a scratch through his Kentucky Derby race since it was his first start on dirt and it wasn't a dirt track so much as it was a mud track.

Rechelle 04 Jun 2009 3:50 PM

Re: Hollywood Park

What a sad state of affairs...

I sure hope I don't outlive live racing in California. I enjoy watching on TV, but being there is a better experience for me. Until you have seen Thoroughbreds up close and personal, you have no idea of their PRESENCE. TV, although better than nothing, does not do them justice. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Santa Anita survives the MEC debacle.

Zookeeper 04 Jun 2009 4:10 PM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Chocolate Candy

3. Charitable Man

trooper 04 Jun 2009 4:20 PM

Steve S,

They are going to go slow, not because they are afraid of the fluke, but because their is no pace in the race.

Dave the Draynay Fan 04 Jun 2009 4:29 PM

1-Mine That Bird

2- Charitable Man

3-Summer Bird.

Yay for that New Mexico "loser"! :)

Casey.... 04 Jun 2009 4:31 PM

Mine That Bird

Flying Private

Charitable Man

Summer Bird

Mr Hot Stuff

Dunkirk

If the pace is reasonable to slow that should leave Mine That Bird with plenty in the tank to make that final run.  A lot rides on he and  Calvin being the same magical team they were in the Derby.  They just seem to know what to do together and I'm seeing that partnership as a big plus.

TerriV 04 Jun 2009 4:35 PM

1) Chocolate Candy

2) Mine That Bird

3) Mr Hot Stuff

Hopingtohit 04 Jun 2009 4:35 PM

God I hate my state sometimes. Tearing down Hollywood Park and Ahhnold trying to sell off Del Mar? He's nuts, and I hope he's only doing this as a political ploy to get people to accept higher taxes. I don't want to see Del Mar get sold off and then steamrollered for the fancy houses I see all over La Jolla. /rant (sorry about that, Jason, but it's really infuriating)

I can't see Dunkirk getting this trip at all. I heard that Indy sons and daughters aren't as good a source of stamina as their sire, and UBS isn't the best at siring marathoners.

I really, really hope that Mr. Hot Stuff put it together for the Belmont. His breezes are looking good, and, hopefully, he'll get to run his race over an actual dirt track, not the slop at Churchill Downs.

But Charitable Man looks really dangerous, and Mine That Bird just won't go away. He's blossomed, although someone suggested that the high altitudes where he used to train actually helped him when he shipped to Kentucky to run his race. Well, we'll see if he peaked or not.

1. Charitable Man

2. Mr. Hot Stuff

3. Mine That Bird

4. Chocolate Candy

Justine 04 Jun 2009 4:39 PM

Just had to say that the video of MTB arriving at Belmont showed him looking really really good--better than he did before the Derby I think.  He looked lean and mean!!  And it sounds like he was happy as a lark galloping around in the slop this morning--unlike many others who chose to forego any gallops due to the track condition.  Whew.  I can't wait--so many talented horses with a chance....

Audra 04 Jun 2009 5:46 PM

Although my youbet account has been wiped out by this TC season (I believe I literally have $1 left!) I'll propose:

1. MTB

2. Mr. Hot Stuff

3. Charitable Man

4. Chocolate Candy

Won't be paying the rent with this race 04 Jun 2009 5:48 PM

" Synthetic horses ran 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th in the Derby- CC could easily pull off a huge upset.

Robert H 04 Jun 2009 11:49 AM "

Robert H we don't even HAVE ANY synthetic tracks in New Mexico, so how could the 1st place finisher in the Derby, Mine That Bird, who has run his 3 year old season here be a 'synthetic' horse?

We don't even have turf racing, just good old fashioned dirt.

Flying Private displaced in the Arkansas Derby, try running that way yourself.

The Derby? Quite a few horses looked pretty bad on that sticky track, particularly the bigger horses like FP. He was running at the end, no doubt about it after hurting both his and MTB's chances when they kept bumping as jocks closed the holes.

So when all is said and done, due to your strange statements about the synthetics, guess I can discount your analysis?

Katsan 04 Jun 2009 5:59 PM

1. Charitable Man

2. Brave Victory

3. Flying Private

4. Mine That Bird

5. Luv Gov

tcc 04 Jun 2009 6:28 PM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Charitable Man

3) Flying Private

Good luck to everyone!

barb 04 Jun 2009 7:00 PM

1. Mine that Bird

2. Chocolate Candy

3. Dunkirk

kk 04 Jun 2009 7:10 PM

Well, I first want to say that I have been a Charitable Man fan since I watched him break his maidens; I said there is the Derby winner for next year,, when he won the stake race next out I said; he's going to win the Triple Crown. When he got hurt I was very sad since I thought we had lost a champion in the making. Now he is back and as happy as I am, I may have lost my heart to a  brave little gelding intead of a handsome stud. Love is so fickled!  So I don't know what to do other than to say I hope they dead heat.

Having to pick my horses I will make a stand and say the following...  because I would like Calvin to have ridden a least a couple of races at Belmont before or on  Saturday... I know he is a great rider but I have been disappointed by jocks too many times in this race....

Charitable Man 1st

Mine That Bird 2nd he'll make it very, very close.

Flying Private 3rd because Lukas cannot be overlooked.

May all come back safe! May the best horse win.

RGGC 04 Jun 2009 7:11 PM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Dunkirk

3. Mr. Hot Stuff

A. McDougle 04 Jun 2009 7:38 PM

      I think Mine That Bird will probably win the Belmont . The competition is allowance horses at best! All of the good horses (I Want Revenge ,Quality Road are done for as of now) Mine That Bird is a good horse ,I'll leave it at that...

belm

Pedigree Shelly 04 Jun 2009 7:48 PM

Wonderful idea, I gotta say.  Now for the picks:

1) Mine that Bird

2) Charitable Man

3) Summer Bird

Chase 04 Jun 2009 8:04 PM

Somehow my entry got mixed up with someone else. My original entry, at 4:53 AM on June 4 should be:

1.Mine That Bird

2.Flying Private

3.Summer Bird

4.Charitable Man

AnotherKaren 04 Jun 2009 8:08 PM

JASON HOW DID YOU KNOW I HAD A MINI SCHNAUZER????????????? Did I post that somewhere before because that's what I have-a mini schnauzer named Ralphy, who by the way, is the light of my life. In my husband's pecking order comes Ralpy, the boat and then me, LOL. Did I post this before and I forgot or was this a lucky guess? Just so you know mini schnauzers are the BEST dogs on the planet and you don't have to put them through college. He's 11 and still going strong.

Ted in LA you forgot Mr. Ed. He watched t.v. all the time.

Paula Higgins 04 Jun 2009 8:17 PM

Katsan,

MTB won on the poly up in canada.

Dave the Draynay Fan 04 Jun 2009 8:26 PM

Paula...lol. You must have missed the back-and-forth with our buddy Dray. He has two mini schnauzers! Im sure you love to hear that! Anyway, I was making fun of him for having such small dogs. I have a Chesapeake Bay Retriever. They are the best dogs!

jshandler 04 Jun 2009 8:29 PM

Chipaway Chipaway Chipaway win the  Belmont.With Charitable Man in second.Brave Victory comes along for third.Throw your hands up for the rest of the field to stager home.I need some time off excuse used heavily post race.

BBBNM 04 Jun 2009 8:35 PM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Flying Private

3. Summer Bird

That's my story an' I'm stickin' to it.

Central Valley Dame 04 Jun 2009 8:41 PM

Katsan,

I think Robert was referring to the synthetic track at Woodbine (Canada) where MTB ran and won the races that earned him Canada's Juvenile Champion honors.

Zookeeper 04 Jun 2009 8:46 PM

Someone threw out a prediction that MTB could win this race just like his daddy did. Check out the video of Birdstone's Belmont win at nyra.com. That year Smarty Jones stalked in second for 6 furlongs and then took the lead about half way around, then opened up by about 4 at the quarter pole (Charitable Man?). Only to have Birdstone, who had been back in 6th; then 5th, swing around the field and catch him in the stretch. Smarty sure looked like he had the Triple Crown at the quarter. Like father like son? Stranger things have happenned.

Old Timer 04 Jun 2009 8:54 PM

By the way Jason, I read your comment to Paula on dogs.  I read it aloud to my hubby.  He says BOOYAH! to the Chessie.  He grew up with them and it will probably be our next dog if we can find a decent one in CA.  Just wanted to let you know.  Right now he has a Chihuahua mix (which he loves) but deep down he pines for a Chessie.  He is protesting my comments right now, but I know better.

Central Valley Dame 04 Jun 2009 8:54 PM

Central Valley Dame: Everyone loves the breed of dog they own and are biased when it comes to their dog. But I am telling you, Chessies are the best dogs ever! They are extremely intelligent, athletic and independent. Nothing against Labs, Goldens and other retrievers, but Chessies are just a step above. They make this incredible eye contact and have such bonds with their owners. And they are not overly exciteable like Labs are. Very easy to train and wont jump or slobber on people. I cant say enough good things about them. Let your husband get one!

jshandler 04 Jun 2009 9:02 PM

1- Charitable Man

2- Chocolate Candy

3- Mine That Bird

Add: 4- Brave Victory -- at the bottom of the list -- if any of the above scratch.

Charitable Man is a "quality speed" horse in a race where such a commodity is of vital importance. In fact, 27 of the last 30 Belmonts were won by horses who were no more than two lenghts off the pace at the top of the stretch; one of the three exceptions, coincidentally enough, was Jazil, who was trained by Kiaran McLaughlin, who trains Charitable Man. More importantly, Charitable Man appeas to be the SOLE speed, too, which makes him ever-more-dangerous. AND he's already won twice on this track. AND he was sired by a Kentucky Derby winner. AND he's trained by a top New York horseman who has all but sworn that his horse is unbeatable, if you're to read between the lines. I'd be surprised if he doesn't go off the favorite and while the recent history of this race doesn't make favorites a smart play, sometimes you have to "take what they give you."  Cumulatively, it seems like it's too much firepower oo buck. If I was looking for a horse to upset him, Chocolate Candy seems the one. Trainer Jerry Hollandorfer has elected to bring this horse here immediately, right after the troubled Kentucky Derby trip, and he's given him FOUR -- count 'em, four! -- separate work outs on this track, so it becomes clear as day that he's deadly serious about his intentions here. He's won 5,000 races and has been picking them up at nearly a 30% clip -- and he's got a horse who repeatedly ran well against Pioneer of the Nile, who should have been the rightful Kentucky Derby favorite. He also has some tactical speed and needn't be closing from the clouds, which has doomed far too many in this race, which certainly must be approached counter-intuitively, in that despite the distance, closers don't do well at all, while speed horses and those that can grind it out somewhere near the lead do pretty well. The last statement notwithstanding, you have to respect one-run closer Mine That Bird's gutsiness. He's apt to be a bit closer to the pace this time around -- or at least he better be if he wants to have even a vague shot at showing up in the winner's circle. I see him as a clunk-up for third. A final thought: Brave Victory's race in the Peter Pan was better than it may have looked. Add the Nick Zito magic -- if he can win with Da' Tara,  anything is possible -- then this horse, who ran third to Charitable Man last out in the Peter Pan, can surely outrun his odds and perhaps make his presence felt.

Good luck to all! Phileboy

Phileboy 04 Jun 2009 9:03 PM

        I know this is off the subject , I love West Highland  Terriers ! I have one! He is one smart dog ! I even have his pedigree LOL !!!

Pedigree Shelly 04 Jun 2009 9:19 PM

Pedigree Shelly: They are smart dogs. You said you have his pedigree: Is he a sprinter or a router? lol

jshandler 04 Jun 2009 9:25 PM

Jason, Chessies are great dogs. I agree. I like all the retriever breeds. Nice dogs, devoted, intelligent and they behave beautifully. Besides which, they are gorgeous to look at.

That's a riot- Draynay, Mrs. Draynay and I have something in common-mini schnauzers! They are also a great breed. But you are so right, whatever dog you have, pure bred or mutt, you love if you have a heart.

Paula Higgins 04 Jun 2009 9:27 PM

During his dating days, Dray used to go out with a lot of women who looked like mini schnauzers, I was told. That is why he purchased a couple later on. Any truth to that Dray?

jshandler 04 Jun 2009 9:30 PM

Could I be wrong or did Bo Bo not have to grab MTB right away from the gate his head in the air. He dropped back further than even his thought he should be but came a running from another zip code no another area cod so do the same in the Belmont and he will be there again. Differint rider in the Preakness was a litter closer and his rally in the lane was not quite as strong,Calvin look forward to seeing on tv tonight.

BBBNM 04 Jun 2009 9:59 PM

1st Mr Hot Stuff

2nd Charitable Man

3rd Chocolate Candy

The main thing is that they all come back safely and may the best horse win!

Seattle Slew has FIVE representatives with his name in their pedigree running in the Belmont!  The above three plus Dunkirk and Miner's Escape!  Is that a record?  He is as well represented in The Belmont as Ballydoyle/Coolmore are in the Epsom Derby!

Go for glory the Seattle Slew boys!!!!!

Good luck to all you bloggers!

A Seattle Slew fan!

Abbie Knowles 04 Jun 2009 10:16 PM

Yes I'm aware that's where he ran on synthetics. But, since everything but his basement bargain price as a yearling has been forgotten, including him being 2 year old champion, being sold for $400,000 I figured the reference is to his time in the oh so inferior New Mexico circuit. Which all of those RACING guys are clamoring to emulate.

Jason, From the representation I've seen of Draynay? I'd say he probably dated a lot of female dogs. Rather odd for someone who comes off as an alley cat.

Katsan 04 Jun 2009 10:40 PM

BBBNM

Actually MTB got squeezed and pinballed a bit at the start of the Derby from what I was told by trainers who were there.

BooBoo (his nickname due to the fact that he actually was a booboo)said that's what put him further back than expected or according to Doc, further back than any of them wanted him to be.

In the Preakness, one of the trainers I know said he was getting bumped, Chip said that too. The holes were sealed off for both him and Flying Private and apparently even though it hurt MTB some, he's catty enough that he never really slowed down too much and was able to get moving again. Exact opposite for the much larger Flying Private. A bigger horse like that get's thrown off stride and he has trouble getting going again.

Katsan 04 Jun 2009 10:50 PM

1. MINE THAT BIRD

2. CHARITABLE MAN

3. CHOCOLATE CANDY

predict 04 Jun 2009 11:29 PM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Black Beauty, er, Mr. Hot Stuff

3. Charitable Man

Jason, check out English Setters. Even the birdiest are the sweetest things that ever walked the earth. (they will point butterflies, though, when bored)

Tiznowbaby 04 Jun 2009 11:33 PM

Jason... you are jealous of my miniature schnauzers because they are better looking and taller then you !  Don't be a hater ! Yip...Yip

Draynay 04 Jun 2009 11:50 PM

Holy Cow!  I thought this blog was about horses.  While some of you may be dogged about your choices, some others of you seem to be counting your chickens before they're hatched and starting to crow a little early.  The late-running Bird will get the worm on Saturday.

And yay! for cats!

(I couldn't figure out how to fit in cats, who, in my opinion, deserve equal time with all the puppies.)  

mz 05 Jun 2009 12:31 AM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Dunkirk

3) Chocolate Candy

Chris 05 Jun 2009 12:35 AM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Mr. Hot Stuff

3. Chocolate Candy

Go Bird! And may they all come back safely, wherever they finish. That is the most important thing.

Terry 05 Jun 2009 12:39 AM

I have one question, something my husband & I were discussing earlier.  When was the last time a favorite won the Belmont Stakes?  Even Rags to Riches wasn't the favorite when she won, Curlin was.  I can't think of the last time a favorite won the Belmont.  Can anyone help??

Rechelle 05 Jun 2009 12:45 AM

1. Chocolate Candy

2. Charitable Man

3. Mine That Bird

Bigcapper 05 Jun 2009 2:08 AM

1 Mine That Bird

2 Dunkirk

3 Miner's Escape

dw 05 Jun 2009 3:31 AM

I would NEVER bet a gelding in Belmont Stakes. rather bet on Brother Nick in 2nd race

Stanley Marcinkowski, Plowville,Pa 05 Jun 2009 6:30 AM

I love MHS, must be tough for him with all the negative vibes of "why can't you be like your brother and focus"...channeling a seemingly contrary temperament has created a number of top echelon Olympic 3-day event horses...he's too correct and a great pedigree to be gelded, but you can't help but wonder how much of a better racehorse and how much happier he'd be as a gelding without the hormone war....

da3hoss 05 Jun 2009 6:46 AM

Aah the large dog vs small hmmm well yapper. If they are smaller than 15 inches at the shoulders they are not a dog.

I can never go to my track during the weiner dog races. I get the urge to punt them everytime.  

silverscrngirl 05 Jun 2009 7:19 AM

I serve mini-weiner dogs to my Rotweiller for a snack.

draynot 05 Jun 2009 8:53 AM

All this back n forth has made me hungry. What's for lunch? Try this:

The official hor'dourve of the Belmont Stakes,

Ingredients:

1 pound Hormel Lil Smokies (weiner dogs)

1 pound uncooked bacon

1 cup Barbecue sauce

Brown sugar

Honey

Toothpicks

Directions:

Cut bacon strips into 4ths. Wrap each lil smokie with bacon, secure with a toothpick. Mix BBQ sauce (about 1 cup) with 1/2 cup brown sugar. Place wrapped smokies into 9X13 pan, drizzle with BBQ sauce mixture, then honey.

Bake at 350 for about 30 minutes, or until bacon is slightly crispy. DO NOT OVERBAKE, as BBQ sauce will quickly darken. Serve with toothpicks.

effy 05 Jun 2009 9:00 AM

My picks... seem pretty easy here, to me:

    1) MR.HOT STUFF-- VERY MUCH! I think it sets up perfectly for this Beautiful Colonel John relative.

    2) Mind That Bird-- has to deserve alot of respect, after that close in the preakness. But my respect ends where Borel gets the mount back, if Smith could've ridden him, then maybe.

    3) Alright, Charitable Man-- he might be about ready to go to his best. And he has class.

turkoman 05 Jun 2009 9:10 AM

My three picks:

1 Mr. Hot Stuff

2 Chocolate Candy

3 Mine That Bird

Seymour Lesh 05 Jun 2009 10:01 AM

What Jason are you trying to anger it (Dray)?  BTW the best dogs are Bernese Mountain Dogs, they are faithful, love people, easiest dogs to train I've ever had.  With that said...

1) Mine that Bird

2) Mr Hot Stuff

3) Chocolate Candy

zipssecret 05 Jun 2009 10:07 AM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Charitable Man

3. Chocolate Candy

Pedigree Shelly: I also have a West Highland White Terrier!!! They are the best dogs. They have such a great personality and are so smart! Mine is currently outside chasing squirrels, of course.

Emily W 05 Jun 2009 10:18 AM

Bird, Bird is the word! Jockey Triple Crown for Calvin!

1)Mine That Bird

2)Chocolate Candy

3)Dunkirk

Plus, I'm betting $2 each to win on the four longshots-why not?

Goober 05 Jun 2009 10:21 AM

1) Mine That Bird

2) Charitable Man

3) Summer Bird

jason, Chessies are wonderful dogs, we had two when I was a kid. I'm pretty sure my African Grey parrot could whip a schnauzer's skinny butt.  My cats go in mortal terror of her.

Grey K 05 Jun 2009 10:23 AM

678 boxed

fredshenefield 05 Jun 2009 10:36 AM

1. Mine That Bird

2. Charitable Man

3. Miner's Escape

Have loved all dogs and horses since I could walk, but Smooth Collies rule!  All the talents of Lassie without all the hair.

summergames84 05 Jun 2009 10:38 AM

Brave Victory, Miner's Escape, and Luv Gov. I'm a long shot player.

joesph r lang 05 Jun 2009 10:41 AM

Charitable Man

Brave Victory

Miner's Escape

Gotta get some value underneath.

easygoer 05 Jun 2009 10:54 AM

Can't let Draynay have the last word.

Go MINE THAT BIRD!!!

Zookeeper 05 Jun 2009 10:54 AM

1. Dunkirk

2. Summer Bird

3. Flying Private

Care to go for the whole card again draynay?

Manoa Tommy 05 Jun 2009 11:01 AM

I was at the dog park last night and doing my civic duty by scooping up doggie poops. I brought my bucket along and when I finished I was taken completely by surprise when the "poops" started to move. Upon further examination I had inadvertently scooped up a pair of weiner dogs. How was I to know? They looked like poops.

Charitable Man

Dunkirk

Brave Victory

slyder 05 Jun 2009 11:01 AM

Charitable Man

Mr. Hot Stuff

Brave Victory

mike hunt 05 Jun 2009 11:31 AM

Well, I won a trifecta in the Preakness with RA, MTB & Musket Man, so hopefully I can pull it off again.

I'm thinking MTB, Charitable Man, Dunkirk

Sara 05 Jun 2009 11:32 AM

Summer Bird

Dunkirk

Choc Candy

PegW 05 Jun 2009 11:34 AM

   Still think the Blogs top three will be:

1.Mine that Bird

2.Summer Bird

3.Charitable Man

    But the later choices of everyone are all over the place, I really hope the final Consensus is those three(which are my top three, lol)...

BTW,

    I will take my Cat "Cheetah" over any ones dog...Even though English Setter's are the best dog out there(Had one growing up!).  He and my Horse, "Comanche" (A retired TB!, Who actually won a few races!), They were the Best of Friends!, They would actually sleep in the Barn together, Pretty cool seeing a 1200 pound Monster, Sleeping with a 60 pound English Setter.....Anyways, Can't wait for the Final Picks Jason...

GO "BENNY THE BULL".....

Greg J. 05 Jun 2009 11:47 AM

1) Mind that Bird

2) Dunkirk

3) Charitable Man

LML 05 Jun 2009 11:49 AM

da3hoss, You take that back! Geld Mr. Hot Stuff??? Thank goodness they didn't do that to Man O'War! He was just as high-strung and we would have missed out on so many great horses, including Mr. Hot Stuff. Not saying he's great. Yet. I think Mr. Harty just gets aggravated with him because he's more work. Maybe MHS just needs a new trainer that would fit him better.

Karen in Indiana 05 Jun 2009 11:50 AM

Thanks for all the comments on dogs. I am with you on Bernese Mountain Dogs Zipsecret. They are terrific. All you cat people can stop it. They dont compare to dogs. Please dont force me to go any further with this.

Rechelle: Last favorite to win the Belmont was Afleet Alex in 2005.

Greg J: Benny has no chance. Fab Strike is a monster at Belmont and 9-for-14 at 6 furlongs. Thanks for your donation to my kid's college fund :)

Manoa Tommy: Are you kidding me with those picks? I hope you're not going to blow all that money you won in the Preakness on those horses. You are better than that.

jshandler 05 Jun 2009 11:54 AM

1.  Mine That Bird.

2.  Charitable Man.

3.  Summer Bird.

CurlinLover 05 Jun 2009 11:57 AM

Gotta go with,

Mine That Bird

Luv Gov (reminds me of my woman)

Miner's Escape

jimmy redneck 05 Jun 2009 11:59 AM

I am excited to get to see Hull run tomorrow.  I love anything from Holy Bull.  It was disappointing when they opted not to run him in the Preakness. Mine That Bird looks incredible arriving at Belmont and Steve's article just confirms how this little guy wins everyone's heart (that is if they have one, Draynay)

Reading so many statements from people about how they got into racing, the concensus seems to be that they fell in love with a horse.  That is what it takes and I sure hope that all those casual fans out there who have fallen for Bird are sucked into our wonderful sport.

About the dogs - the best dog in the whole world is my 15 year old Golden, Beau. He has always been gentle and laid back, even as a puppy.  He is so loving, empathetic and kind, even cats love him.  (I love cats too) He is my best bud.

TerriV 05 Jun 2009 12:08 PM

Dogs rule!! Cats belong in the barn

English Springer Spaniel, great with kids and will hunt pheasant until they drop. As kind and gentle as any dog I have ever seen. I miss the one I had.

slyder 05 Jun 2009 12:19 PM

From Belmont picks to discussing the dog fancy to even a good-sounding recipe, this blog can't be beat!

I like watching the Weiner Nationals from Los Al ("The Belly That Scorched the Earth"), but I am left with the feeling that the weenies are hard to train.  

Anyhoo:

1) Mine That Bird

2) Chocolate Candy

3) Summer Bird

Safe trip to all and hooray for cats.

Pam S. 05 Jun 2009 12:36 PM

I am so, so disappointed! My 13 year old son, Morgan, and I got up at 4 am  this morning & went down to Belmont (1 hour 15 mins. away) to watch the early morning work outs on the main track. I had called Belmont yesterday & was told to go to Gate 5. So, I took a personal day from work last night, took Morgan out of school for the day & was in the car heading to Belmont @ 4:45am. Morgan is mildly autistic & I had such a hard time getting him to go to sleep last night. He was up before the clock went off this morning & he had me up before the clock went off at 4am. He wanted to see Mine That Bird, so badly, in person. Every day since the Derby, he checks the computer for information on MTB. He also wanted to see his horse's brother, Flying Private. The story about how Morgan was given Super Hero (Flying Private's brother) last May was written about in the DRF and Bloodhorse when Super Hero retired. Super Hero was shipped all the way from the West Coast to NY to my son, Morgan. Anyway, we arrived at Belmont this morning & we were not allowed in to watch the morning work outs. I was told that kids were not allowed in in the mornings. Apparently, the racing office didn't know that when I called them yesterday.  I purposely went today & not tomorrow, Belmont Day because with the crowds it is so hard to see the races. Morgan is 5 ft. tall. He'd end up watching the horses on a TV screen, just as we can do at home. But, I thought we could stand at the rail this morning & watch the horses on the track & then go home. That was going to be our Belmont experience.  He has barely said 2 words since we came back home today.

Anyway, I just wanted to vent. Maybe, one day, we will see MTB in person & also Flying Private, too.

Colette

ColetteMarie 05 Jun 2009 1:03 PM

Charitable Man

Summer Bird

Chocolate Candy

Mind That Bird

DK Stables 05 Jun 2009 2:27 PM

ColetteMarie,

    I feel terrible you and your son, Morgan, Couldn't get in to see Mine that Bird, Sorry again...I don't know if this would help, but these are EVERY available video of Mine That Bird's Races, If Morgan hasn't seen them, Maybe this will help him get over the disappointment of this morning, I hope...

Mine That Bird:

Maiden Claiming:

www.youtube.com/watch

Silver Deputy Stakes:

www.youtube.com/watch

Swynford Stakes:

www.youtube.com/watch

Grey Stakes:

www.youtube.com/watch

Breeders Cup Juvenile:

www.youtube.com/watch

Kentucky Derby:

www.youtube.com/watch

*Mine that Bird's Father, Birdstone, It's my most heartbreaking race of ALL TIME, 2004 Belmont, When He Beat my namesake, Smarty Jones, BUT I am sure Morgan will LOVE IT:

www.youtube.com/watch

ColetteMarie & Morgan, Hoped that helped...Here's to Mine that Bird winning tomorrow...

Greg J. 05 Jun 2009 2:34 PM

Colette, that's really too bad.

Maybe you should go through the Community Relations dept of the NYRA or the Public Relations dept at the track. Maybe something to do with stakes weekend?  Hmmm.

I think Lukas was speaking this a.m. at a memorial but he has a horse in today I think. Bet if you'd have taken Morgan, had somebody let him know he'd have hooked you up some way, some how. With pictures etc.

Know he's pretty nice about that.

Guess he and a few others are worried about the track, it's apparently raining really, really hard. Not sure they're going to be able to dry it out since they're running on it now and that makes it so much harder to get the water out.

JordanL 05 Jun 2009 2:35 PM

P.S. EVERYONE, it's MINE That Bird.

I only MIND a bird if it poops on my head.

I don't even MIND what my Mom tells me to do, why would I MIND a bird?

JordanL 05 Jun 2009 2:38 PM

Colette, That is so awful about your frustrating morning.  Maybe the morning after the Belmont they will be less strict and allow you in to see Mine That Bird.  Chip Wooley was out after the Derby handing out roses from Bird's blanket, I bet he would love for your son to be able to pet Bird. They will surely be there for a few days after the race.

TerriV 05 Jun 2009 3:02 PM

so excited about tomorrows belmont!go mind that bird..charitable man..dunkirk..summerbird box. praying all goes well for all these great athlete's.

dottie jr 06 Jun 2009 1:32 AM

I see 12 furlongs (220 yards x 12==2640 yards==3 feet=7920 ft for these spectacular animals to run a race today to win over 9 others by'say 1 foot. Breeding is crucial as is training and position etc. That last 220 feet is the crucial test of stamina today.

 The late closers/laggards are better prepared to gut it out-- guys like::

  1)DUNKIRK and [[LOBIFD]]

  2)CHOCOLATE CANDY

  3)FLYING PRIVATE

    I'll box these in a $18 EX,,then $10 TRI & With the #3 MR HOT STUFF IN AN $ 8  SUPER. The OFF THE WALL BOX for EACH EXOTIC IS $3 ON THE 3-6-8.

The EX $10 HIT IN THE PREAKNESS WAS JUST TOO EASY FOR ALL OF US.

I'm grateful for your writings, shows and offerings as a real literary PRO.

  van

VANDAL PA 06 Jun 2009 3:44 AM

Greg J., thank you so much for taking the time to put all the links to MTB's races together. That was incredibly nice of you. Morgan sat down yesterday & watched all of them.

Thank you, also, to everyone for all the support & kind words. I try to plan right & think ahead when organizing something for Morgan. I thought I had when I called the racing office the day before. With Asperger's Syndrome (mild autism), these kids try so hard. But, they are often met with disappointment. In Morgan's case, he gets frustrated when others (usually other kids) think he can't do something. True, it takes him longer to master things, but he works hard at it & eventually gets it. He is, for example, still learning how to ride a bike. At this point, he is old enough to be embarrassed should another kid see him on his bike. But, one thing he can do is ride a horse. Since many of his peers cannot do so, he has a very strong connection to horses.I asked him what drew him to MTB so much. What he said brought to mind what I have so often thought thruout Morgan's childhood. I sometimes think he was "here" before when he says things. I've often gotten calls from his teachers to tell me what he said pertaining to certain conversations at school. This year's teacher says he amazes her with his thinking & tells me he is like a wise old man. Anyway, he said that MTB is a lot like him, that people think he can't do things & nobody gave him a chance.  He has told me several times, "He showed them, Mom, didn't he"?  Morgan identifies with MTB.

Hopefully, we will be able to go back down to Belmont on Sunday morning. I hesitate to call there today, though, as it is a very busy day.

Thanks again for all the kind words. & may all the horses run safe.  Colette

ColetteMarie 06 Jun 2009 12:38 PM

Colette, I just got home from the Belmont and a friend brought this story to my attention.  I cannot tell you how sorry Mine That Bird is that your son could not be part of his morning workout on this day.  If there is anyway, you can be reached or a way I can make contact with you, please let me know.  Mine That Bird would love to make it up to you.  I don't normally post my email, but this is an unbearable story and I can insure you that you will not regret responding.  kimcarr1970@gmail.com

MineThatBird Connection 08 Jun 2009 8:01 PM

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